Steph Curry is 3rd Most Improved Shooter in NBA so far this season

[Mr Bones]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/stephen-curry-shooting-level-statistics_563d16bce4b0307f2cad8863

[Killakobe81]

No surprise. The work he has done on his game is obvious to anyone that watches b-ball on the regular. His shot, handles, drives and finish through contact are all improved.

[DMC]

Always chuckle when someone takes a small sample and compares it to the overall as a "wow" factor.


"Steph Curry is somehow shooting a true shooting percentage of 76.3 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ts_pct_top_10.html). To give some perspective, that’s a 20 percent increase over what Steve Nash, maybe the greatest shooter ever, shot in his 2005-2006 MVP campaign."

So 15 games vs 82 games.

Yeah, Steph is a prodigy shooter, no doubt, but let's wait for the tally.

[Kawhitstorm]

Always chuckle when someone takes a small sample and compares it to the overall as a "wow" factor.


"Steph Curry is somehow shooting a true shooting percentage of 76.3 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ts_pct_top_10.html). To give some perspective, that’s a 20 percent increase over what Steve Nash, maybe the greatest shooter ever, shot in his 2005-2006 MVP campaign."

So 15 games vs 82 games.

Yeah, Steph is a prodigy shooter, no doubt, but let's wait for the tally.

Didn't Korver have a TS% over 70 midway through last season before he fell off the pace? He was on pace for 50/50/90 but lost about one percentage point from each category.

"Among all players in NBA history to shoot 300 or more field goals in a single season, Kyle Korver's current 72.6 true shooting percentage, a measure of a player's overall shooting efficiency, would hold the No. 1 spot. It would be the top mark by a significant margin, too."

[Killakobe81]

Didn't Korver have a TS% over 70 midway through last season before he fell off the pace? He was on pace for 50/50/90 but lost about one percentage point from each category.

"Among all players in NBA history to shoot 300 or more field goals in a single season, Kyle Korver's current 72.6 true shooting percentage, a measure of a player's overall shooting efficiency, would hold the No. 1 spot. It would be the top mark by a significant margin, too."

Tough to compare Korver a specialist, to guys like Nash & Curry. Korver should be compared to Morrow, Kerr, Paxson, heck even ray allen in his latter years.
Prime Nash and prime MArk Price are the best comparisons to Curry. Both guys had even more responsibility to run the offense and score. Steph, by virtue of his offensive exploits is having the play-making duties largely taken away from him. But even still, he does a lot more on offense than Korver.

I get we are talking about shooting here ... but Korver is the NBA equivalent of a baseball closer or DH. A specialist who can play a little bit. Nash, price and Curry are great players who were also excellent shooters. If he didnt shoot so well dude wouldnt have a job while the other 3 can give you so much more ...

[Mr Bones]

Curry still has a ways to go before catching his coach for best career 3pt%: Kerr stands at 45.4%, and Curry's at 44%.

[Mitch]

Curry still has a ways to go before catching his coach for best career 3pt%: Kerr stands at 45.4%, and Curry's at 44%.

:lol 1.5% off but he's made almost twice the 3s in less than half the time.

[Kawhitstorm]

Tough to compare Korver a specialist, to guys like Nash & Curry. Korver should be compared to Morrow, Kerr, Paxson, heck even ray allen in his latter years.
Prime Nash and prime MArk Price are the best comparisons to Curry. Both guys had even more responsibility to run the offense and score. Steph, by virtue of his offensive exploits is having the play-making duties largely taken away from him. But even still, he does a lot more on offense than Korver.

I get we are talking about shooting here ... but Korver is the NBA equivalent of a baseball closer or DH. A specialist who can play a little bit. Nash, price and Curry are great players who were also excellent shooters. If he didnt shoot so well dude wouldnt have a job while the other 3 can give you so much more ...

One guy that doesn't get credit for having the ability to shoot off the dribble is Jason Terry. He's the active leader in 3 point field goals & 3rd all-time. He became a spot up shooter when Kidd was playing point guard but he used to light up folks when he was w/ the Hawks:

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[Mr Bones]

:lol 1.5% off but he's made almost twice the 3s in less than half the time.

Yeah, but Kerr's the prime example of making the most of limited talent. He wasn't fast, he couldn't jump, he couldn't defend, and essentially had two great skills: shooting & brains. And with that he's in the record book for highest career 3pt%, has 5 championships as a player, one as a coach, and the record for best winning percentage as a first year coach. He wasn't as talented as someone like Eric Snow or Andre Miller, but has a lot more to show for it. If DeMarcus Cousins or Josh Smith had his brains, they'd be locks for the Hall of Fame.

[DMC]

Didn't Korver have a TS% over 70 midway through last season before he fell off the pace? He was on pace for 50/50/90 but lost about one percentage point from each category.

"Among all players in NBA history to shoot 300 or more field goals in a single season, Kyle Korver's current 72.6 true shooting percentage, a measure of a player's overall shooting efficiency, would hold the No. 1 spot. It would be the top mark by a significant margin, too."

Pretty much what I'm saying. It's not about Steph or Kyle or Ray. It's about returning to the mean and not getting stupid over small sample sizes. Media and "trying to make a living in sports media" home blogger types seem to absolutely love small sample sizes to strike up blogs about this or that trend or tendency.

[Killakobe81]

One guy that doesn't get credit for having the ability to shoot off the dribble is Jason Terry. He's the active leader in 3 point field goals & 3rd all-time. He became a spot up shooter when Kidd was playing point guard but he used to light up folks when he was w/ the Hawks:

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great call out. But he was never a true PG. he was kinda like Curry was before the last few years.

[Kawhitstorm]

great call out. But he was never a true PG. he was kinda like Curry was before the last few years.

Bradley Beal is the modern day version of JET

[Mr Bones]

Pretty much what I'm saying. It's not about Steph or Kyle or Ray. It's about returning to the mean and not getting stupid over small sample sizes. Media and "trying to make a living in sports media" home blogger types seem to absolutely love small sample sizes to strike up blogs about this or that trend or tendency.

Yeah, but being the best player on a team off to an objectively historic season is a legitimate story.

[Killakobe81]

I dont get why Curry garners hate or skepticism. His star is ascending up. he has been taking and making more 3's at a better rate as he enters his prime. His improvement as a shooter is ascending with his more rounded game. his ability to drive and dish now makes him pretty damn unguardable by mere mortals. Sure Kiwi might be able to lock him down but tough task for almost anyone else.

[Mitch]

Yeah, but Kerr's the prime example of making the most of limited talent. He wasn't fast, he couldn't jump, he couldn't defend, and essentially had two great skills: shooting & brains. And with that he's in the record book for highest career 3pt%, has 5 championships as a player, one as a coach, and the record for best winning percentage as a first year coach. He wasn't as talented as someone like Eric Snow or Andre Miller, but has a lot more to show for it. If DeMarcus Cousins or Josh Smith had his brains, they'd be locks for the Hall of Fame.

Nobody is diminishing the quality of Kerr, but Curry really has no "catching up" to do. Shooting 3s over 40% in the volume he's doing is astonishing. If he was a role player like Kerr he'd probably hover around 55%

[Mitch]

I dont get why Curry garners hate or skepticism. His star is ascending up. he has been taking and making more 3's at a better rate as he enters his prime. His improvement as a shooter is ascending with his more rounded game. his ability to drive and dish now makes him pretty damn unguardable by mere mortals. Sure Kiwi might be able to lock him down but tough task for almost anyone else.

Bad history of health, people are just waiting for his ankle to snap.

Personally I think he's going to be fine because he doesn't have to play 40m+ anymore.

[Mr Bones]

Nobody is diminishing the quality of Kerr, but Curry really has no "catching up" to do. Shooting 3s over 40% in the volume he's doing is astonishing. If he was a role player like Kerr he'd probably hover around 55%

I meant "catching up" purely in terms of owning the all time record, which I know is a source of jokes between Kerr & Curry.

[spurraider21]

One guy that doesn't get credit for having the ability to shoot off the dribble is Jason Terry. He's the active leader in 3 point field goals & 3rd all-time. He became a spot up shooter when Kidd was playing point guard but he used to light up folks when he was w/ the Hawks:
38% 3pt shooter for his career

[Chris]

Greatest 3 point shooter off the dribble of all time hands down. The title validates that, and no matter what happens from now on, it can't be disputed until someone else comes along and beats it. Easily the best point guard in the NBA right now if you factor in the handles and the ability to get to the rim and finish. Sets his teammates up with easy shots with his ability to create mismatches off the dribble with the endless pick and rolls they run. That team is a well oiled machine all in large part to him - easily the MVP right now imo Also consider their head coach has missed the entire season :lol Unreal

[Kawhitstorm]

38% 3pt shooter for his career

Ray Allen is only a career 40% shooter. They were both scorers & took a lot of contested shots unlike designated shooters such as Korver/ReDick. Nash/Price picked their spots & didn't shoot too many contested 3s. Kerr was just a spot up shooter so only Curry fits their mold as far as being a scorer. Kyrie is really the only guy that can be compared to Curry.

[DMC]

Yeah, but being the best player on a team off to an objectively historic season is a legitimate story.

Sure, if the story was about that.

[Killakobe81]

Ray Allen is only a career 40% shooter. They were both scorers & took a lot of contested shots unlike designated shooters such as Korver/ReDick. Nash/Price picked their spots & didn't shoot too many contested 3s. Kerr was just a spot up shooter so only Curry fits their mold as far as being a scorer. Kyrie is really the only guy that can be compared to Curry.

style wise I agree Kyrie and Curry make sense as comparisons. But Nash and Price shouldnt be discounted because they took better shots. Part of what makes Curry special imho and better than Nash/Price ...is the ability top hit shots they could not.
But from a PG perspective the fact that Price and Nash also did not take "heat check shots" is a plus on their side. I would rather have the more aggressive Curry and accept he will take some heat check shots. I think Price/curry/Nash belong in the same conversation I would also throw in Isiah (although his shot was more streaky than pure) he also is one of the best off the bounce shooters but was streaky (though much better) like Prime JET Terry. Because those guards all were the primary initiators of offense but could also kill you in pnr off the bounce at a very high rate. the stuff guys like Korver/antony Morrow/Danny green cannot do. Heck even guys that are very good like Lowry and Tony Parker cannot do what Nash/Price/Curry do.

If you guys never saw prime Price. Guy was not as great a ball handler as Nash. But was a cross between Stockton and Nash. So good at killing you in pnr because he could make the pass at the precise time for the roll or pop off the pick. and if you left him open he could murder you from deep.

Side note: Price was nasty in the old Bulls vs Blazers. I think Kerr, Price and Ehlo were all on the cavs. I used to murder fools that used Lakers, Blazers or Bulls. Them cats couldnt miss if you got them in to sweet spots. great times on my old SNES ...

[spurraider21]

Ray Allen is only a career 40% shooter. They were both scorers & took a lot of contested shots unlike designated shooters such as Korver/ReDick. Nash/Price picked their spots & didn't shoot too many contested 3s. Kerr was just a spot up shooter so only Curry fits their mold as far as being a scorer. Kyrie is really the only guy that can be compared to Curry.
terry wasn't nearly the scorer ray allen was. they aren't in the same conversation.

[Kawhitstorm]

terry wasn't nearly the scorer ray allen was. they aren't in the same conversation.

Of course JET wasn't as good as Ray but he NEVER gets mentioned. Another guy I forgot was Ben Gordon who dueled w/ Ray back in 2009:

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[Killakobe81]

Of course JET wasn't as good as Ray but he NEVER gets mentioned. Another guy I forgot was Ben Gordon who dueled w/ Ray back in 2009:

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nothing close to a PG but man was he great that series. He also had a final Four run that was almost as hot as this one. Guy could score and when on great shooter.

[Kawhitstorm]

nothing close to a PG but man was he great that series. He also had a final Four run that was almost as hot as this one. Guy could score and when on great shooter.

Nah, I was just putting him w/ the guys that could shoot CONSISTENTLY in every way imaginable: off the bounce, spotting up, coming off curls, off balance...etc. Otherwise last I checked Ray wasn't a PG.

[Killakobe81]

Nah, I was just putting him w/ the guys that could shoot CONSISTENTLY in every way imaginable: off the bounce, spotting up, coming off curls, off balance...etc. Otherwise last I checked Ray wasn't a PG.

I get that. I was peaking more of the Curry comparisons to the other guys I mentioned. Gordon though never had play-making responsibilties Ray at least did back in his Sonics/Bucks days ...
Best comparison for Gordon is like Andrew Toney or Vinny Johnson.

[Kawhitstorm]

I get that. I was peaking more of the Curry comparisons to the other guys I mentioned. Gordon though never had play-making responsibilties Ray at least did back in his Sonics/Bucks days ...
Best comparison for Gordon is like Andrew Toney or Vinny Johnson.

If we are talking strictly about playmakers then Van Exel didn't shoot coming off curls but dude could light it up off the bounce same w/ Damon Stodamire. Van Exel was kind of like Kyrie w/o the athleticism & Isaiah Thomas reminds me of Mighty Mouse.

Then you have OG Tim Hardaway.

Chris Jackson would have been lethal if he played in this era too.

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[Killakobe81]

If we are talking strictly about playmakers then Van Exel didn't shoot coming off curls but dude could light it up off the bounce same w/ Damon Stodamire. Van Exel was kind of like Kyrie w/o the athleticism & Isaiah Thomas reminds me of Mighty Mouse.

Chris Jackson would have been lethal if he played in this era too.

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NVE was sick off teh dribble good in PNR but had horrible shot selection and was streaky. Underrated play maker with good vision but that just made his HORRIBLE shot selection more frustrating. He was kinda like Kobe in that way tbh ...

[apalisoc_9]

Ben Gordon was my favourite shooter in the mid 00. Loved his high jump release

[DMC]

It matters how a guy does in RS games because that's how you get to the playoffs, but once you get there you have to elevate your game or at least remain consistent. Hell, Matt Bonner shot lights out in the RS, went snowman in the playoffs. JET hit like 9 3's in the Finals. Curry was held down by a bench player scrub white boy with a beard.

[spurraider21]

jesus... curry had a horrible game 2 and suddenly he was "held down"

he shot 49.5% in the other 5 games

[DMC]

jesus... curry had a horrible game 2 and suddenly he was "held down"

he shot 49.5% in the other 5 games

He gave up the MVP to a bench player.

[spurraider21]

He gave up the MVP to a bench player.
and duncan gave up MVP to parker... and duncan shot under 45% for that series

[DMC]

and duncan gave up MVP to parker... and duncan shot under 45% for that series
Only after he had 3 already and not in Duncan's MVP season.

Plus Parker was the starting PG, not a bench player. Manu didn't get one in Tim's prime.

[spurraider21]

Only after he had 3 already and not in Duncan's MVP season.

Plus Parker was the starting PG, not a bench player. Manu didn't get one in Tim's prime.
parker and iggy played the same minutes per game in their respective finals mvp campaigns. it's really not a big deal. it was still duncan's team, and it's remembered that way. nobody remembers the '81 celtics as maxwell's team either

i know you have that albatross curry thread with your name on it, so you need to stick to your guns, though. so go ahead

[DMC]

1. parker and iggy played the same minutes per game in their respective finals mvp campaigns. i

2. t's really not a big deal.

3. it was still duncan's team, and it's remembered that way.

4. nobody remembers the '81 celtics as maxwell's team either

5. i know you have that albatross curry thread with your name on it, so you need to stick to your guns, though. so go ahead

Well allow me to retort:

1. So? Are you saying 2007 Tim Duncan is on par with 2015 Steph Curry?
2. It really is. Tell me another prime superstar who won RS MVP and the Finals but not the Finals MVP.
3. It's Peter Holt's team. You can't speak to how it's remembered except by you.
4. It was Bird's 3rd year in the league. He wasn't the RS MVP. Cedric brought it. Anyone who remembers that series would see it as Cedric's series else he wouldn't have won the FMVP. Sure Bird made a great shot, but obviously Cedric had a bigger impact.
5. Everything I said in that thread was accurate and has been proven as such since.

[Kawhitstorm]

Don't let Chief Keef start cookin'

[Kawhitstorm]

Can't play Tim against stretch 4s:bang......put in Fathead

[Kawhitstorm]

Oops, wrong thread:lol

[DMC]

Don't let Chief Keef start cookin'


Can't play Tim against stretch 4s:bang......put in Fathead


Oops, wrong thread:lol
idiot

[Mr Bones]

He gave up the MVP to a bench player.

Iggy was playing the Manu role, so it's kinda unfair to characterize him as some kind of bench scrub. To be honest, it was pretty much a toss up as to who should've gotten the FMVP.

[Kawhitstorm]

Iggy was playing the Manu role, so it's kinda unfair to characterize him as some kind of bench scrub. To be honest, it was pretty much a toss up as to who should've gotten the FMVP.

The thing about Iggy was that he was being guarded by Mozgov or being dared to make open 3s. Although he did handle the ball & had his fare share of assists, the Cavs made Draymond initiate the offense so Iggy's role was more like Danny in 2013 Finals as a 3-&-D guy.

[Mr Bones]

The thing about Iggy was that he was being guarded by Mozgov or being dared to make open 3s. Although he did handle the ball & had his fare share of assists, the Cavs made Draymond initiate the offense so Iggy's role was more like Danny in 2013 Finals as a 3-&-D guy.

Iguodala averaged 16.3 points, 5.8 rebounds and 4.0 assists in the finals. Green: 14 points, 4 rebounds, 0.7 assists.

[Kawhitstorm]

Iguodala averaged 16.3 points, 5.8 rebounds and 4.0 assists in the finals.

I said 2013 Finals when Danny was on his way to winning Finals MVP after he broke the record for made 3s when the Heat dared him to beat them instead of Tony. Iggy got his fair share of assists but he wasn't the primary playmaker like Manu, the Cavs made him a finisher. Most of his assists were on fastbreaks & he won the MVP b/c his defense along with being the 2nd leading scorer, not his playmaking.

[DMC]

Iggy was playing the Manu role, so it's kinda unfair to characterize him as some kind of bench scrub. To be honest, it was pretty much a toss up as to who should've gotten the FMVP.
I didn't say he was a scrub. I even compared him to Manu, who never won an MVP.

[Red Hawk #21]

Game 1: 26pts (10/20 FG, 2/6 3pt), 8 assists, 4 rebounds.
Game 2: Absolutely brutal shooting
Game 3: 27pts (10/20 FG, 7/13 3pt), 6 assists, 6 rebounds.
Game 4: 22pts (8/17 FG, 4/7 3pt), 7 assists, 2 rebounds.
Game 5: 37pts (13/23 FG, 7/13 3pt), 4 assists, 7 rebounds.
Game 6: 25pts (8/19 FG, 3/11 3pt), 8 assists, 6 rebounds.
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Steph "Held down" Curry.

[Red Hawk #21]

Shame on the league for giving Finals MVP to Iguodala. I love Iggy and he played an absolutely vital role but a bunch of his points came as a result of the Cavs completely selling out to guard Steph Curry. Steph truly deserved Finals MVP, but the league pretty much left the door open for the Curry haters to have something to say by giving Iggy the Finals MVP. What I recall hearing was Iggy won it for his defense on LeBron, but wasn't LeBron putting up almost a Triple double every game in that series?! This shit still makes no sense to me.

[Killakobe81]

Shame on the league for giving Finals MVP to Iguodala. I love Iggy and he played an absolutely vital role but a bunch of his points came as a result of the Cavs completely selling out to guard Steph Curry. Steph truly deserved Finals MVP, but the league pretty much left the door open for the Curry haters to have something to say by giving Iggy the Finals MVP. What I recall hearing was Iggy won it for his defense on LeBron, but wasn't LeBron putting up almost a Triple double every game in that series?! This shit still makes no sense to me.

All true. But wouldnt Duncan deserve the 2007 for the same reason? or Isiah for da Pistons.Real fans know the impact of a Curry/duncan etc. But media awards are media awards.

[~O~]

Shame on the league for giving Finals MVP to Iguodala. I love Iggy and he played an absolutely vital role but a bunch of his points came as a result of the Cavs completely selling out to guard Steph Curry. Steph truly deserved Finals MVP, but the league pretty much left the door open for the Curry haters to have something to say by giving Iggy the Finals MVP. What I recall hearing was Iggy won it for his defense on LeBron, but wasn't LeBron putting up almost a Triple double every game in that series?! This shit still makes no sense to me.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGdMvQ-RPpY


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Remember LeBron's shooting percentages. Memory is volatile and people forget how critical Iguodala was on play by play defense. Thankfully, various video editors uploaded these highlights.

Iguodala is a a capable two way player and start on many teams in the NBA. Remember, he was a first option much in his career but it never worked out enough for him to be an elite first option. Now he gets to play behind a guy many of the other teams wanted him to be. His Athleticism hasn't gone away either since he's not getting run down by being a first option and playing heavy minutes.

Last year, Curry wasn't defender he was this year. Most of all, Curry did not have an elite finals. Especially in game 2 in which he was ice cold. Klay Thompson made up for his scoring load but they didn't win.

[Mr Bones]

Game 1: 26pts (10/20 FG, 2/6 3pt), 8 assists, 4 rebounds.
Game 2: Absolutely brutal shooting
Game 3: 27pts (10/20 FG, 7/13 3pt), 6 assists, 6 rebounds.
Game 4: 22pts (8/17 FG, 4/7 3pt), 7 assists, 2 rebounds.
Game 5: 37pts (13/23 FG, 7/13 3pt), 4 assists, 7 rebounds.
Game 6: 25pts (8/19 FG, 3/11 3pt), 8 assists, 6 rebounds.
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Steph "Held down" Curry.

Exactly. I wouldn't mind if my favorite teams picked up a few more held down players...

[Kawhitstorm]

Remember LeBron's shooting percentages. Memory is volatile and people forget how critical Iguodala was on play by play defense. Thankfully, various video editors uploaded these highlights.

LeBron was pretty shitty in the Bulls series when he actually had Kyrie. Him getting beat by Iggy on a couple of occasion when he's carrying a bunch of corpse is nothing extraordinary. Iggy didn't defend Bron any better than Jimmy Butler who had to shoulder the scoring load on the other end.

Kawhi had Bron huffing & puffing in 2014 after he had his way against an All-NBA 1st team defender (Paul George) along w/ having Bosh/Wade/Ray Allen on his squad. He got his points but a bunch of them came in flurries or after the game was essentially over, he never really took over a game. Kawhi also wasn't being guarded by a center or dared to make open 3s. Kawhi matched LeBron in the final 3 games meanwhile LeBron got MVP votes in 2015 despite losing the final 3 games. Based on the Iggy logic, Pippen in 91 should have won the MVP b/c he was guarding Magic despite Jordan being the best player & putting up better numbers. (Iggy is a poorman's Pippen)

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