The era of the white QB is coming to a close, tbh

[SuperCam]

Rodgers, brees, mannings, Rivers, big rape, tom, palmer, flacco, ryan -- all of them over 30 and in one way or the other on their way out.

Niggas and other men of color are finally inheriting the QB spot which white jew GMs and Owners for years have tried to blackball them away from and pigeonhole them elsewhere.

Under 30... it's all about Wilson, Cam, Mariota, Winston, Bridgewater, Tyrod... they're gonna be running shit in five years or less :hat

[Pelicans78]

There's a reason why the QB play has been atrocious this season. You just listed it. All the great pocket passers are getting old.

[Avante]

The game is just too fast for sluggish white guys anymore. Where would a white QB be right now behind that Seattle line?

The big thing is extending a play, something black QB's can do because they are athletes, most could play another position, Tom Brady/Peyton Manning/Joe Montana/Dan Marino etc etc were "just" QB's only.

The defense knows where those 4 must be, so no need to worry about outside containment, while a RW puts more stress on a defense because of that...ZOOM!

Look at the NCAA right now, the top team in the nation, a black QB. The top ranked team in the NFC, a black QB. Defending NCAA champion, a black QB. What QB has played in more SB's lately, a black QB.

Sure, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers (who is mobile) can make it work but that breed is dying out.

[spurraider21]

yeah, the best QB's in the league this year, Brady and Palmer, really showing they're behind the times. Man, avante is really stupid.

[spurraider21]

as for the OP, Bridgewater has a ceiling of prime Alex Smith, and doesn't deserve to be mentioned among "up and comers"

[Avante]

yeah, the best QB's in the league this year, Brady and Palmer, really showing they're behind the times. Man, avante is really stupid.

Little man didn't ya pick up on...THE FUTURE OF THE QB POSITION IS CHANGING....well?

I think you might have been a fish, you're not too bright.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

yeah, the best QB's in the league this year, Brady and Palmer, really showing they're behind the times. Man, avante is really stupid.

You take Palmer, I'll take Newton

[SuperCam]

Palmer will be out of the league in three years, walking injury timebomb tbh.

Cardale Jones coming to take his place :hat

[spurraider21]

Palmer will be out of the league in three years, walking injury timebomb tbh.

Cardale Jones coming to take his place :hat
he's had 1 injury in 5 years :lol...

[Mal]

I bet year ago Keapernick would be on the list.

[spurraider21]

I bet year ago Keapernick would be on the list.
future of the NFL replaced by blaine gabbert :lol

[SuperCam]

I bet year ago Keapernick would be on the list.

we'll see what happens when he gets out of that toxic organization, tbh...

[spurraider21]

we'll see what happens when he gets out of that toxic organization, tbh...
vince young 2.0

[Mal]

we'll see what happens when he gets out of that toxic organization, tbh...

He sucks. He ends up in Jets or Houston if lucky.

[johnsmith]

I think you might have been a fish, you're not too bright.

I will give you credit for trying a new insult for the first time since you started posting on this site that didn't involve "little man".....but come on avante, this one was dumb even for you.

[DJR210]

Avante with black dick in his mouth per the usual.

[spurraider21]

super cam, kawhitstorm, apa, and to a degree malik can barely function without trying to add some race-bait to their posting material. interesting development

[Avante]

Avante with black dick in his mouth per the usual.

Well lets see....

Jim Brown
Jerry Rice
Lawrence Taylor
Ronnie Lott
Deion Sanders
Walter Payton
Randy Moss
Barry Sanders
Darrelle Revis
Eric Dickerson
Reggie White
Terrell Owens
Emmitt Smith
Chris Carter
Gale Sayers
O.J.Simpson

...ok shorty replace one of those guys with a white guy at the same position.

[Avante]

All anyone has to do is look at what is coming out of the high schools now. So many black QB's, then where do they end up, yep...

Clemson
Notre Dame
LSU
Texas
FSU
Ohio St

etc etc etc

Where does the NFL get it's QB?

Why try and fight it people? Black QB's are simply quicker, able to elude the rush better and most have a rocket for an arm. Simply facts.

There was a time we had plenty of white RB's, like....

Jim Taylor
Rick Casares
Nick Pietrasonte
Hugh "The King" McElhenny
"Jaguar" Jon Arnett
Frank Gifford
Paul Hornung
Ken Williard
Jim Otis
Travis Jervey
Peyton Hillis
Toby Gerhart
Ernie Nevers
Brad Muster
Ed Marinaro
Mike Adamle
Rob Lytle
Jon Keyworth
Dan Doornik
Les Josephson
Brian Piccolo
Dan Reeves
Joe Don Looney
Ronnie Bull
Dickie Post
Keith Lincoln
Wray Carlton
Ed Podolak
Craig James
Paul Hofer
Donny Anderson
Jim Grabowski
Walt Garrison
Hoyle Granger
Billy Cannon
Charley Tolar
Mark Van Eeghan
Marv Hubbard
Don Bosseler
Dick Hoak
Doak Walker
Clff Battles
Mark Smolinski
John Riggins
Mike Alstott
Larry Csonka
Dick Hoak
Joe Marconi
John David Crow
Tommy Mason
Bill Brown
Joe Childress
Tom Woodeshick
Alan "Horse" Ameche
Alex Webster
Dick James
Rob Carpenter
Tom Matte
Jerry Hill
John Cappeletti
Robin Earl

...so what happened? Where are they now? Oh yeah, Danny Woodhead, ha~~~~~~~~

How many white cornerbacks are left? Where did they go?

[hehateme]

This thread has backfire written all over it

[AlexJones]

Rodgers>Brady>Newton>Rape>Brees imo

[Mal]

Well lets see....

Jim Brown
Jerry Rice
Lawrence Taylor
Ronnie Lott
Deion Sanders
Walter Payton
Randy Moss
Barry Sanders
Darrelle Revis
Eric Dickerson
Reggie White
Terrell Owens
Emmitt Smith
Chris Carter
Gale Sayers
O.J.Simpson

...ok shorty replace one of those guys with a white guy at the same position.

Any QB on the list ?

[spurraider21]

plenty of great white receivers... steve largent, fred biletnikoff, of course Don Hutson to name a few

linebackers? just look at the steelers... jack ham, jack lambert, kevin greene

not many speed backs, but as far as running backs in general? csonka, riggins, taylor, nagurski

[SuperCam]

plenty of great white receivers... steve largent, fred biletnikoff, of course Don Hutson to name a few

linebackers? just look at the steelers... jack ham, jack lambert, kevin greene

not many speed backs, but as far as running backs in general? csonka, riggins, taylor, nagurski

:lol

[spurraider21]

you could easily build an all-white offense and it would be fine. defensively you'd be in trouble, particularly in the secondary

[Kawhitstorm]

They are just going to hold them back by hiring a shitty OC, you saw what they did to Kap when he started getting too big for comfort:wakeup

[SuperCam]

i'm looking at the high school qb rankings right now... at least, at least the top 15 or so, more than half are niggas. :wow

10 years until we got more than half the starting qbs in the league, tbh...

[Raven]

that's quite the spin in a year where the read option has been scrapped from playbooks and all the "promising african american qbs" are getting benched and cut. Also, Carr and Bortles are having a good time.

[jeebus]

:monkey ball is all the hype in high school/college football. if Europe could produce NFL players like it does for the NBA, you can bet NFL teams would start drafting foreigners.

[Avante]

plenty of great white receivers... steve largent, fred biletnikoff, of course Don Hutson to name a few

linebackers? just look at the steelers... jack ham, jack lambert, kevin greene

not many speed backs, but as far as running backs in general? csonka, riggins, taylor, nagurski

You're kidding right?

[Avante]

Warren Moon
Jim Brown
Barry Sanders
Jerry Rice
Randy Moss
Antonio Gates

Donovan McNabb
Jerome Bettis
Walter Payton
Chris Carter
Terrell Owens
Kellon Winslow

Cam Newton
Earl Campbell
Eric Dickerson
Marvin Harrison
Isacc Bruce
John Mackey

Steve McNair
Emmitt Smith
LaDianian Tomlinson
Tim Brown
Reggie Wayne
Shannon Sharpe

Randall Cunningham
Marshall Faulk
Arian Peterson
Antonio Brown
Andre Johnson
Ozzie Newsome

Doug Williams
Gale Sayers
Marcus Allen
Andre Reed
Hines Ward
Vernon Davis

Russell Wilson
O.J.Simpson
Tony Dorsett
James Lofton
Art Monk
Charlie Sanders

Michael Vick
Franco Harris
Thurman Thomas
Steve Smith
Larry Fitzgerald
Ben Coates

I challenge anyone to match that using white players.

How about this D

Reggie White
Bruce Smith
"Mean" Joe Greene
Alan Page
Deacon Jones
Charles Haley
Warren Sapp
Ray Lewis
Mike Singletary
Bobby Bell
Lawrence Taylor
Derrick Thomas
Dick "Night Train" Lane
Emlen Tunnell
Deion Sanders
Jim Johnson
Mike Haynes
Darrelle Revis
Ronnie Lott
Rod Woodson

Would anyome believe the first black QB to start an NFL game was named......Willie Thrower......dead serious!

Black college QB's who played another poistion in the NFL.

Don Woods RB
Sherman Smith RB
Denard Robinson RB
Josh Cribbs WR
Freddie Solomon WR
Hine Ward WR
Marlon "The Magician" Briscoe WR
Adnan Randle -El WR
Bert Emanuel WR
Willie Wood DB

[Mal]

Dude is just putting some ancient names, not proving shit about end of era of the white QB

[Avante]

Dude is just putting some ancient names, not proving shit about end of era of the white QB

Just showing the overwelming difference between black/white players. And according to the high school and college game, there is a need for a better athlete at the QB position now a days. That means black guys with some running ability. No not talking about the read option, I'm talking about being able to evade the pass rush, extending a play.

[Holden_Caulfield]

Palmer will be out of the league in three years, walking injury timebomb tbh.

Cardale Jones coming to take his place :hat
cardale jones? :lmao, this take is beyond bad. dude has been so bad this season.

[Mal]

Just showing the overwelming difference between black/white players. And according to the high school and college game, there is a need for a better athlete at the QB position now a days. That means black guys with some running ability. No not talking about the read option, I'm talking about being able to evade the pass rush, extending a play.

There isnt any need for better athlete in NFL. NCAA can`t produce enough pocket passers, that`s why teams go with monkeyballing QB`s and trying them to become better passers. Running QB is always a huge risk. Taylor from Buffalo was injured on extending the play and cost them chance to put this game to OT.

See what happend when Kaepernick and Wilson were forced to stay in pocket, when teams were aware of theirs running abilities. Newton is the best passer from OP`s list, that`s why Panthers are where they are.

[Pelicans78]

Little man didn't ya pick up on...THE FUTURE OF THE QB POSITION IS CHANGING....well?

I think you might have been a fish, you're not too bright.

It's really not changing. It's just getting worse. Mediocre QB play despite rules tilted towards the offense.

[Pelicans78]

You take Palmer, I'll take Newton

How about I take both? Both have been elite players this season. Palmer may be playing the best in this league. His defense is non-existant this season while the offense has been the best in the league.

[Pelicans78]

All anyone has to do is look at what is coming out of the high schools now. So many black QB's, then where do they end up, yep...

Clemson
Notre Dame
LSU
Texas
FSU
Ohio St

etc etc etc

Where does the NFL get it's QB?



Listen dumbass. Those schools you mentioned have had black QBs for years who haven't amounted to anything in the NFL.

LSU had recent guys in Matt Flynn and Zach Mettenberger who have done more in this league than the black QBs who went to LSU recently.

Notre Dame has had black QBs who haven't done anything in the Pros. Same with Clemson.

Black QBs have always been prevalent in college football. It's not a new phenomenon rookie. Right now, there's only one elite black QB in the league and that's Cam.

[HarlemHeat37]

This has been the worst NFL season in a long time, tbh, and the QB play is a big reason..

[Floyd Pacquiao]

College coaches don't teach qb's how to play in the pocket anymore. It's all read option gimmick bullshit. Lol its gotten so out of hand that even wide receivers could play qb in college and win

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Injuries are also making this season and qb play suck. Imagine the cowboys and Steelers with a healthy Romo and big rape?

[Raven]

Just showing the overwelming difference between black/white players. And according to the high school and college game, there is a need for a better athlete at the QB position now a days. That means black guys with some running ability. No not talking about the read option, I'm talking about being able to evade the pass rush, extending a play.

rrrrright... three of the "top" 4 black qbs are among the 6 most sacked qbs in the league, the one remaining is really not known for evading pass rush. The pass per game is absolutely dominated by white qbs, more than the first 20 are all white. not sure what you consider mariota though.

[Blake]

Black QBs have always been prevalent in college football. It's not a new phenomenon rookie.

^

Avante is the worst historian I've ever seen. My dream is to have Quincy Carter steal his computer to sell for drugs

[Avante]

The bottom line is this....

The HS/college game is played differently. There it's not about standing tall in the pocket. Why ignore the huge % of QB's playing HS/college ball that are black? So it doesn't matter what the NFL wants. Their QB's come from the HS game.

Why I have to tell you guys this, ????

How many times last night did Taylors legs save him? Now think~!

Like I mentioned there was a time we had white cornerbacks and RB's, so what happened to them?

Look at Shady McCoy run, white guys simply don't possess that kind of speed/quicks/wiggle, we all know this, hell how obvious does it have to be? The QB position needs a better athlete back there, their speed becomes another weapon. The HS 's know this.

Think about a defensive cordinator preparing for Eli Manning, no worries at all about him hurting you with his legs, that will not happen. A whole different deal trying to defend Russell Wilson, think about that.

Look at how many black QB 's have played in the NCAA title game lately, been in the Heisman race, have played in SB's.

[Pelicans78]

The bottom line is this....

The HS/college game is played differently. There it's not about standing tall in the pocket. Why ignore the huge % of QB's playing HS/college ball that are black? So it doesn't matter what the NFL wants. Their QB's come from the HS game.

Why I have to tell you guys this, ????

How many times last night did Taylors legs save him? Now think~!

Like I mentioned there was a time we had white cornerbacks and RB's, so what happened to them?

Look at Shady McCoy run, white guys simply don't possess that kind of speed/quicks/wiggle, we all know this, hell how obvious does it have to be? The QB position needs a better athlete back there, their speed becomes another weapon. The HS 's know this.

Think about a defensive cordinator preparing for Eli Manning, no worries at all about him hurting you with his legs, that will not happen. A whole different deal trying to defend Russell Wilson, think about that.

Look at how many black QB 's have played in the NCAA title game lately, been in the Heisman race, have played in SB's.

Shut up dumbass.

[Blake]

The bottom line is this....

The HS/college game is played differently. There it's not about standing tall in the pocket. Why ignore the huge % of QB's playing HS/college ball that are black? So it doesn't matter what the NFL wants. Their QB's come from the HS game.

Why I have to tell you guys this, ????

what exactly is that huge %? Give a number, expert.

[Avante]

Shut up dumbass.

Tell us all again about how the Saints are a playoff team, hahaha!!!!!! Fucking idiot~

Why ignore the facts retard?

[Avante]

ONE MORE TIME~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Where did all the white cornerbacks/RB's go?

WELL?????????

Those Lombardi Packers teams had Jim Taylor and Paul Hornung their starting backs, that Colts team that lost to the Jets had Tom Matte and Jerry Hill, white backs. So what happened to that, well?

[Blake]

what exactly is that huge %? Give a number, expert.

[Pelicans78]

Tell us all again about how the Saints are a playoff team, hahaha!!!!!! Fucking idiot~

Why ignore the facts retard?

You're ignoring the facts of how the college game has always had an abundant of black QBs and the schools you mentioned have had black QBs the last ten years who haven't done anything in the pros. And you fail to mention how awful the QB play is in today's NFL due to lack of development in the college game because of gimmicky QBs running gimmicky offenses. Look at how guys like Kaep, RGIII, and others have flamed out the last few years.

[Will Hunting]

he's had 1 injury in 5 years :lol...

One ACL injury in 5 years = non-stop talk about being injury prone, even though ACL tears are usually freak injuries that happen regardless of how injury prone someone is.

The meaning of the term "injury prone" always seems to be changing :lol

[Avante]

You're ignoring the facts of how the college game has always had an abundant of black QBs and the schools you mentioned have had black QBs the last ten years who haven't done anything in the pros. And you fail to mention how awful the QB play is in today's NFL due to lack of development in the college game because of gimmicky QBs running gimmicky offenses. Look at how guys like Kaep, RGIII, and others have flamed out the last few years.

As you totally ignore you thinking the Saints were a playoff team, what a dumb fuck.

Pay attention faggot.

It doesn't matter what the NFL wants or how the QB play is, it's all about high school football. It all starts there ya dumb fuck. That is where the NCAA gets their QB's and where do the NFL QB's come from? BOOM~~~~~~

Why ignore who is playing for the NCAA title? Why ignore the success RW has had? Dude, do you know anything at all about Texas/Florida/Cali HS football? Ya don't do ya slick?

Stupid, it's far harder to defend a mobile QB, ok? That's another weapon, alright dummy?

Fucking idiot~~~~


I have played against black QB's, I was a RB/KR/DB. It's a whole other deal knowing he can run 40 yards at any time. A totally different deal than playing some statue in the pocket...TOTALLY!!!!!!!

[Darth_Pelican]

There will always be a market for white QB's that can sit in the pocket and sling the ball down the field. The top 3 QBs in the projected 2016 draft class are white, and 4 of the top 5 are white. If scouts and coaches are so obsessed with black mobile QB's, then they would have all black QB's projected in the top 5.

Do some homework before you give an opinion. Otherwise, your opinions hold no substance.

Source:

http://walterfootball.com/draft2016QB.php





1. Paxton Lynch, QB, Memphis
Height: 6-7. Weight: 245.
Projected 40 Time: 4.78.
Projected Round (2016): 1-2.
11/19/15: In 2015, Lynch has completed 69 percent of his passes for 3,292 yards with 21 touchdowns and three interceptions.

Lynch has a great skill set but is raw and needs development. His footwork and field vision are the primary areas to improve. Lynch does have an arm that can make all the throws for the pro game, and he has flashed the ability to pass accurately and beat good coverage with precise completions into tight windows. However, Lynch needs to become more consistent with the ability to thrive as a pocket passer. He also the has athleticism to make plays with his feet and or throws on the run. His draft stock has risen with Memphis' strong start to the season, which included an upset over Ole Miss.

In his previous seasons as a starter, Lynch used his running ability more. As a sophomore, he ran for 321 yards with 13 touchdowns while completing 63 percent of his passes for 3,031 yards with 22 touchdowns and nine interceptions. Lynch completed 58 percent of his passes for 2,056 yards with nine touchdowns and 10 interceptions as a freshman.




2. Jared Goff*, QB, California
Height: 6-4. Weight: 210.
Projected 40 Time: 4.71.
Projected Round (2016): 1-2.
11/19/15: In 2015, Goff has completed 64 percent of his passes for 3,319 yards with 30 touchdowns and 13 interceptions. Early in the season, he beat up on weak competition, but he hasn't played as well against quality opponents like Utah, UCLA and USC.

A lot of draft media, like the experts at ESPN, have been pumping Goff as a top-of-the-draft prospect. As one scout told me, "They're giving him the Teddy Bridgewater treatment," i.e. overhyping. One scouting director told WalterFootball.com that he would go see Goff in November. He said that Goff was a good player, but he didn't feel he was top-of-the-draft worthy right now. Another scout said they were lukewarm on Goff as a pro quarterback.

In speaking to another general manager from a team that is among the best at evaluating and developing quarterbacks, he felt that Goff was the best of the draft-eligible signal-callers. Obviously, there isn't a real consensus about Goff among NFL evaluators.

Still, Goff has shown a strong, accurate arm with quality field vision. He also has functional mobility to avoid rushers and pick up some yards on the ground. Goff needs to add weight for the NFL and also could have some issues with getting rattled and handling the rush at the next level.

The junior is a natural thrower with quality mechanics, some functional mobility and an arm capable of making all of the throws. His stats are inflated by a college offense that has a lot of instant passes though. Coming from his college system, he will need development for the NFL with field vision, working under center and holding up in the face of a pass rush. Goff also is very thin for the NFL.

8/8/14: Goff enjoyed a breakout 2014 season. The sophomore completed 62 percent of his passes for 3,973 yards with 35 touchdowns and seven interceptions. Goff displayed some pocket-passing potential while playing with a less-than-ideal supporting cast. He struggled against USC's good defense taking sacks and had a few interceptions dropped. Goff needs to perform better against top competition. He became the starter as a freshman in 2013 and completed 60 percent of his passes for 3,508 yards with 18 touchdowns and 10 interceptions.



3. Connor Cook, QB, Michigan State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 218.
Projected 40 Time: 4.60.
Projected Round (2016): 1-2.
11/19/15: Cook has connected on 56 percent of his passes this season for 2,482 yards for 21 touchdowns and four interceptions. He played well against Oregon, but hasn't been overwhelming against some mediocre opponents, though he had a prolific game against Rutgers. The Spartans have admitted their play calling has been overly conservative and need to let Cook throw more often.

Cook has athleticism, good size, experience in a pro-style system and a strong arm that can make some beautiful throws downfield into tight windows. However, he isn't a quarterback who drops back and throws 50 times a game while dominating a defense. His accuracy needs improvement as well. Cook has been more of a game manager, and that could be his future in the NFL.

8/8/15: Cook completed 58 percent of his passes in 2014 for 3,214 yards with 24 touchdowns and eight interceptions. League sources identified Cook as a potential high first-round pick. He needs to improve certain aspects of his game to meet that grade though, mainly accuracy. Cook has proven to NFL evaluators that he has a big arm, pocket presence, the mobility to avoid rushers and roll out, and the ability to make the occasional precision throw. Cook plays in a pro-style system and has shown steady improvement with his ability to function out of the pocket while working through his progressions.

Cook has often thrown the ball better than his numbers illustrate. He can make some amazingly accurate throws into extremely tight windows for completions downfield, but also has some inconsistency with his accuracy on the routine passes and when going deep down the middle. Cook has to improve his footwork, which in turn will help his accuracy.

2013 was Cook's first year as the full-time starter, and he got off to a slow start before coming on strong in the second half of the season to help lead the Spartans to a Big Ten title and victory over Stanford in the Rose Bowl. Cook completed 58.7 percent of his passes for 2,755 yards with 22 touchdowns and six interceptions for the year. He had great games against Ohio State (24-40 for 304 with 3 touchdowns, 1 interception) and Stanford (22-36 for 332 yards with 2 touchdown, 1 interception) to close out that season.




4. Cardale Jones*, QB, Ohio State
Height: 6-5. Weight: 250.
Projected 40 Time: 4.75.
Projected Round (2016): 1-3.
11/19/15: This season, Jones has displayed his big arm and great skill set, but must get better at reading the field and with his passing technique. He is undefeated in his 11 starts in college, but with such little playing time needing development is understandable.

Jones has completed 63 percent of his passes this season for 1,460 yards with eight touchdowns and five interceptions. Aside from his right-arm cannon, he also has displayed his running ability and how difficult he is to sack with his huge size. Jones is very physically gifted, but he's raw and needs to gain experience.

8/8/15: Jones put on a display in 2014 after entering the starting lineup behind Braxton Miller and J.T. Barrett. Jones has great size and a cannon for an arm. In his three starts, he completed 61 percent of his passes for 860 yards with seven touchdowns and two interceptions. Jones has a lot of upside and it will be fun to watch him in 2015, assuming he wins the starting job over J.T. Barrett.

Jones needs to improve his ability to throw while under heat. He also needs to get faster working through his progressions, moving his eyes and getting rid of the ball. Jones can hold onto the ball too long when plays start to break down on him. When Jones has a clean pocket, he displays the ability to make any throw the NFL asks for. While Jones is a pocket passer, he will take yards on the ground when available and has some athleticism as a runner. Jones can be tough to bring down for defenders in or out of the pocket.

Sources from multiple teams said that they view Jones as having a first-round skill set and if performed for an entire season the way he played in his three starts, he would be a first-rounder. Teams have questions about Jones' football I.Q. and off-the-field maturity, so his pre-draft interviews will be important to address those questions.




5. Christian Hackenberg, QB, Penn State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 234.
Projected 40 Time: 4.87.
Projected Round (2016): 2-3.
11/19/15: In 2015, Hackenberg has completed 54 percent of his passes for 1,997 yards with 13 touchdowns and three interceptions. He had terrible games against Rutgers and Temple, but good outings against Buffalo, San Diego State, Indiana and Illinois.

Clearly, Hackenberg needs to improve his accuracy and decision-making, but the junior is still playing in a bad situation with a weak offensive line and weak receivers. He also is a pro-style quarterback forced to play in a college spread offense that doesn't fit him well at all. Over the last two seasons, Hackenberg has routinely made some beautiful throws that are dropped by his receivers.

In speaking with sources, some teams see Hackenberg as a potential top quarterback prospect, but others don't like him. The ones who don't say that he has average accuracy and is a statue in the pocket. There also is concern about how teammates respond to him.

8/8/15: Hackenberg completed 56 percent of his passes in 2014 for 2,677 yards with 12 touchdowns and 15 interceptions. He played better than the numbers indicate as his supporting cast was a huge liability, including an awful offensive line. Hackenberg closed out the 2014 season with a huge comeback overtime win over Boston College, completing 34-of-50 for 371 yards and four touchdowns.

In terms of a skill set, Hackenberg has what the NFL is looking for with a size, pocket presence, field-vision potential and a strong arm that can push the ball downfield. James Franklin's offense didn't help Hackenberg develop much as a NFL pocket-passer prospect last season as so many of the play calls were instant throws because of a weak offensive line that couldn't maintain its blocks. Hackenberg needs to improve his ball placement and decision-making in some areas, but his supporting cast really hurt him last year. At times, Hackenberg makes some brilliant throws downfield after working off his first read, and if he does that regularly as a junior, he could be a high first-rounder.

Hackenberg was the star recruit for Bill O'Brien and proved the hype legit during an impressive freshman season that saw him named the Big Ten Freshman of the Year. Hackenberg completed 59 percent of his passes for 2,955 yards with 20 touchdowns and 10 interceptions in 2013. He also ran for four touchdowns. Sources in the NFL feel that Hackenberg could end up being an elite quarterback prospect.

[hehateme]

It's really not changing. It's just getting worse. Mediocre QB play despite rules tilted towards the offense.

This is pretty much it. In 5-10 years we will have tons of Alex Smith/Struggle Wilson game managers running around with no balls/football iq to call real audibles at the line. Check downs will become the norm every game and the excitement will be gone at the QB position.

[Pelicans78]

As you totally ignore you thinking the Saints were a playoff team, what a dumb fuck.

Pay attention faggot.

It doesn't matter what the NFL wants or how the QB play is, it's all about high school football. It all starts there ya dumb fuck. That is where the NCAA gets their QB's and where do the NFL QB's come from? BOOM~~~~~~

Why ignore who is playing for the NCAA title? Why ignore the success RW has had? Dude, do you know anything at all about Texas/Florida/Cali HS football? Ya don't do ya slick?

Stupid, it's far harder to defend a mobile QB, ok? That's another weapon, alright dummy?

Fucking idiot~~~~


I have played against black QB's, I was a RB/KR/DB. It's a whole other deal knowing he can run 40 yards at any time. A totally different deal than playing some statue in the pocket...TOTALLY!!!!!!!

It may be harder to defend mobile QBs in the college game, but the NFL is different. A QB has to be able to pass first to succeed. That's been proven over and over. The quality of QB play has hurt the league this season since pocket passers are few and far between. RW has succeeded, but he's also been blessed with the top defense in the league for three straight seasons. Otherwise the Seahawks would have been an average team like they are this season.

Look at the top offenses in the league this season. The Cards, Pats, Panthers, Packers, Bengals, and Giants are led by pocket passing. Cam is a runner, but he's improved his passing ability by a ton.

It's obvious you're retarded you lazy fat bum. The NFL is dependent on pocket passing and when the quality is bad, mediocrity sets in which has happened to the NFL this season.

[Pelicans78]

One ACL injury in 5 years = non-stop talk about being injury prone, even though ACL tears are usually freak injuries that happen regardless of how injury prone someone is.

The meaning of the term "injury prone" always seems to be changing :lol

It's surprising he's not getting enough MVP talk.

[Blake]

what exactly is that huge %? Give a number, expert.

:lol keep pretending you don't see this, fat ol fuck.

[Avante]

There will always be a market for white QB's that can sit in the pocket and sling the ball down the field. The top 3 QBs in the projected 2016 draft class are white, and 4 of the top 5 are white. If scouts and coaches are so obsessed with black mobile QB's, then they would have all black QB's projected in the top 5.

Do some homework before you give an opinion. Otherwise, your opinions hold no substance.

Source:

http://walterfootball.com/draft2016QB.php





1. Paxton Lynch, QB, Memphis
Height: 6-7. Weight: 245.
Projected 40 Time: 4.78.
Projected Round (2016): 1-2.
11/19/15: In 2015, Lynch has completed 69 percent of his passes for 3,292 yards with 21 touchdowns and three interceptions.

Lynch has a great skill set but is raw and needs development. His footwork and field vision are the primary areas to improve. Lynch does have an arm that can make all the throws for the pro game, and he has flashed the ability to pass accurately and beat good coverage with precise completions into tight windows. However, Lynch needs to become more consistent with the ability to thrive as a pocket passer. He also the has athleticism to make plays with his feet and or throws on the run. His draft stock has risen with Memphis' strong start to the season, which included an upset over Ole Miss.

In his previous seasons as a starter, Lynch used his running ability more. As a sophomore, he ran for 321 yards with 13 touchdowns while completing 63 percent of his passes for 3,031 yards with 22 touchdowns and nine interceptions. Lynch completed 58 percent of his passes for 2,056 yards with nine touchdowns and 10 interceptions as a freshman.




2. Jared Goff*, QB, California
Height: 6-4. Weight: 210.
Projected 40 Time: 4.71.
Projected Round (2016): 1-2.
11/19/15: In 2015, Goff has completed 64 percent of his passes for 3,319 yards with 30 touchdowns and 13 interceptions. Early in the season, he beat up on weak competition, but he hasn't played as well against quality opponents like Utah, UCLA and USC.

A lot of draft media, like the experts at ESPN, have been pumping Goff as a top-of-the-draft prospect. As one scout told me, "They're giving him the Teddy Bridgewater treatment," i.e. overhyping. One scouting director told WalterFootball.com that he would go see Goff in November. He said that Goff was a good player, but he didn't feel he was top-of-the-draft worthy right now. Another scout said they were lukewarm on Goff as a pro quarterback.

In speaking to another general manager from a team that is among the best at evaluating and developing quarterbacks, he felt that Goff was the best of the draft-eligible signal-callers. Obviously, there isn't a real consensus about Goff among NFL evaluators.

Still, Goff has shown a strong, accurate arm with quality field vision. He also has functional mobility to avoid rushers and pick up some yards on the ground. Goff needs to add weight for the NFL and also could have some issues with getting rattled and handling the rush at the next level.

The junior is a natural thrower with quality mechanics, some functional mobility and an arm capable of making all of the throws. His stats are inflated by a college offense that has a lot of instant passes though. Coming from his college system, he will need development for the NFL with field vision, working under center and holding up in the face of a pass rush. Goff also is very thin for the NFL.

8/8/14: Goff enjoyed a breakout 2014 season. The sophomore completed 62 percent of his passes for 3,973 yards with 35 touchdowns and seven interceptions. Goff displayed some pocket-passing potential while playing with a less-than-ideal supporting cast. He struggled against USC's good defense taking sacks and had a few interceptions dropped. Goff needs to perform better against top competition. He became the starter as a freshman in 2013 and completed 60 percent of his passes for 3,508 yards with 18 touchdowns and 10 interceptions.



3. Connor Cook, QB, Michigan State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 218.
Projected 40 Time: 4.60.
Projected Round (2016): 1-2.
11/19/15: Cook has connected on 56 percent of his passes this season for 2,482 yards for 21 touchdowns and four interceptions. He played well against Oregon, but hasn't been overwhelming against some mediocre opponents, though he had a prolific game against Rutgers. The Spartans have admitted their play calling has been overly conservative and need to let Cook throw more often.

Cook has athleticism, good size, experience in a pro-style system and a strong arm that can make some beautiful throws downfield into tight windows. However, he isn't a quarterback who drops back and throws 50 times a game while dominating a defense. His accuracy needs improvement as well. Cook has been more of a game manager, and that could be his future in the NFL.

8/8/15: Cook completed 58 percent of his passes in 2014 for 3,214 yards with 24 touchdowns and eight interceptions. League sources identified Cook as a potential high first-round pick. He needs to improve certain aspects of his game to meet that grade though, mainly accuracy. Cook has proven to NFL evaluators that he has a big arm, pocket presence, the mobility to avoid rushers and roll out, and the ability to make the occasional precision throw. Cook plays in a pro-style system and has shown steady improvement with his ability to function out of the pocket while working through his progressions.

Cook has often thrown the ball better than his numbers illustrate. He can make some amazingly accurate throws into extremely tight windows for completions downfield, but also has some inconsistency with his accuracy on the routine passes and when going deep down the middle. Cook has to improve his footwork, which in turn will help his accuracy.

2013 was Cook's first year as the full-time starter, and he got off to a slow start before coming on strong in the second half of the season to help lead the Spartans to a Big Ten title and victory over Stanford in the Rose Bowl. Cook completed 58.7 percent of his passes for 2,755 yards with 22 touchdowns and six interceptions for the year. He had great games against Ohio State (24-40 for 304 with 3 touchdowns, 1 interception) and Stanford (22-36 for 332 yards with 2 touchdown, 1 interception) to close out that season.




4. Cardale Jones*, QB, Ohio State
Height: 6-5. Weight: 250.
Projected 40 Time: 4.75.
Projected Round (2016): 1-3.
11/19/15: This season, Jones has displayed his big arm and great skill set, but must get better at reading the field and with his passing technique. He is undefeated in his 11 starts in college, but with such little playing time needing development is understandable.

Jones has completed 63 percent of his passes this season for 1,460 yards with eight touchdowns and five interceptions. Aside from his right-arm cannon, he also has displayed his running ability and how difficult he is to sack with his huge size. Jones is very physically gifted, but he's raw and needs to gain experience.

8/8/15: Jones put on a display in 2014 after entering the starting lineup behind Braxton Miller and J.T. Barrett. Jones has great size and a cannon for an arm. In his three starts, he completed 61 percent of his passes for 860 yards with seven touchdowns and two interceptions. Jones has a lot of upside and it will be fun to watch him in 2015, assuming he wins the starting job over J.T. Barrett.

Jones needs to improve his ability to throw while under heat. He also needs to get faster working through his progressions, moving his eyes and getting rid of the ball. Jones can hold onto the ball too long when plays start to break down on him. When Jones has a clean pocket, he displays the ability to make any throw the NFL asks for. While Jones is a pocket passer, he will take yards on the ground when available and has some athleticism as a runner. Jones can be tough to bring down for defenders in or out of the pocket.

Sources from multiple teams said that they view Jones as having a first-round skill set and if performed for an entire season the way he played in his three starts, he would be a first-rounder. Teams have questions about Jones' football I.Q. and off-the-field maturity, so his pre-draft interviews will be important to address those questions.




5. Christian Hackenberg, QB, Penn State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 234.
Projected 40 Time: 4.87.
Projected Round (2016): 2-3.
11/19/15: In 2015, Hackenberg has completed 54 percent of his passes for 1,997 yards with 13 touchdowns and three interceptions. He had terrible games against Rutgers and Temple, but good outings against Buffalo, San Diego State, Indiana and Illinois.

Clearly, Hackenberg needs to improve his accuracy and decision-making, but the junior is still playing in a bad situation with a weak offensive line and weak receivers. He also is a pro-style quarterback forced to play in a college spread offense that doesn't fit him well at all. Over the last two seasons, Hackenberg has routinely made some beautiful throws that are dropped by his receivers.

In speaking with sources, some teams see Hackenberg as a potential top quarterback prospect, but others don't like him. The ones who don't say that he has average accuracy and is a statue in the pocket. There also is concern about how teammates respond to him.

8/8/15: Hackenberg completed 56 percent of his passes in 2014 for 2,677 yards with 12 touchdowns and 15 interceptions. He played better than the numbers indicate as his supporting cast was a huge liability, including an awful offensive line. Hackenberg closed out the 2014 season with a huge comeback overtime win over Boston College, completing 34-of-50 for 371 yards and four touchdowns.

In terms of a skill set, Hackenberg has what the NFL is looking for with a size, pocket presence, field-vision potential and a strong arm that can push the ball downfield. James Franklin's offense didn't help Hackenberg develop much as a NFL pocket-passer prospect last season as so many of the play calls were instant throws because of a weak offensive line that couldn't maintain its blocks. Hackenberg needs to improve his ball placement and decision-making in some areas, but his supporting cast really hurt him last year. At times, Hackenberg makes some brilliant throws downfield after working off his first read, and if he does that regularly as a junior, he could be a high first-rounder.

Hackenberg was the star recruit for Bill O'Brien and proved the hype legit during an impressive freshman season that saw him named the Big Ten Freshman of the Year. Hackenberg completed 59 percent of his passes for 2,955 yards with 20 touchdowns and 10 interceptions in 2013. He also ran for four touchdowns. Sources in the NFL feel that Hackenberg could end up being an elite quarterback prospect.

Shutup dumbass.

How about them Saints, HA~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Darth_Pelican]

Shutup dumbasI provided statistical evidence that scouts and coaches still value white pocket QBs, and you replied with something a 12 year old would write. You're pathetic.

[Avante]

It may be harder to defend mobile QBs in the college game, but the NFL is different. A QB has to be able to pass first to succeed. That's been proven over and over. The quality of QB play has hurt the league this season since pocket passers are few and far between. RW has succeeded, but he's also been blessed with the top defense in the league for three straight seasons. Otherwise the Seahawks would have been an average team like they are this season.

Look at the top offenses in the league this season. The Cards, Pats, Panthers, Packers, Bengals, and Giants are led by pocket passing. Cam is a runner, but he's improved his passing ability by a ton.

It's obvious you're retarded you lazy fat bum. The NFL is dependent on pocket passing and when the quality is bad, mediocrity sets in which has happened to the NFL this season.

Just how dumb asre you?

PAY ATTENTION~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

We are talking about where things are going in the....FUTURE.....the......FUTURE!!!!!!!!!!! Ok ya dumb fuck?

Stupid, do you know anything at all about what is going on in the HS game, well?


Fucking idiot~~~~~~

[Avante]

I provided statistical evidence that scouts and coaches still value white pocket QBs, and you replied with something a 12 year old would write. You're pathetic.

Sorry man I got ya mixed up with that other Saints fan dummy.

[SpursforSix]

I provided statistical evidence that scouts and coaches still value white pocket QBs, and you replied with something a 12 year old would write. You're pathetic.

he probably had one of his child slaves respond

don't be surprised if in about 10 years, we start to hear about a group of 20-somethings that have evidence of sexual abuse and brainwashing.
They wander about muttering names of sprinters and black running backs in order of their speed.

[Will Hunting]

Rodgers, brees, mannings, Rivers, big rape, tom, palmer, flacco, ryan -- all of them over 30 and in one way or the other on their way out.

Niggas and other men of color are finally inheriting the QB spot which white jew GMs and Owners for years have tried to blackball them away from and pigeonhole them elsewhere.

Under 30... it's all about Wilson, Cam, Mariota, Winston, Bridgewater, Tyrod... they're gonna be running shit in five years or less :hat

:lol how are Brady or Palmer on their way out? Brady is the runaway MVP pick this year and Palmer has the highest passer rating in the NFL. I also :lol at using Rodgers as an example of a white QB on his way out is particularly ironic since he's been struggling due to defenses forcing him to stay in the pocket.

Winston and Newton are the only two QBs on your jig list with a chance at becoming elite. Russell Wilson has had no statistical improvement from his rookie year (likely due to teams having more film on him so they've figured out ways to keep him in the pocket). Mariota has had two good games against atrocious pass Ds but nothing else that's noteworthy. Bridgewater and Tyrod are 28th and 29th in passing yards per game, respectively, and have shown nothing beyond decent game managing skills.

[Will Hunting]

It's surprising he's not getting enough MVP talk.

Palmer has been making 1-2 boneheaded decisions every week that imo prevent him from being in the MVP discussion, especially with two other QBs who have led their team to undefeated records. He lost the game against Pittsburgh with an unnecessary 1st down pass into triple coverage, he had the unneeded redzone interception against Seattle, he had an interception against Cinci that made no sense, and plenty more that I'm not thinking of. There's no question he's having a great year but he's made a few big mistakes that are keeping him out of the MVP talk.

[Avante]

he probably had one of his child slaves respond

don't be surprised if in about 10 years, we start to hear about a group of 20-somethings that have evidence of sexual abuse and brainwashing.
They wander about muttering names of sprinters and black running backs in order of their speed.

You really this stupid little fella?

[Pelicans78]

Shutup dumbass.

How about them Saints, HA~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Shows how pathetic you are. Trying to use a poster's team to discredit his post. Lazy perverted fat fuck.

[Avante]

Shows how pathetic you are. Trying to use a poster's team to discredit his post. Lazy perverted fat fuck.

Little man, the only thing fat on me is my wallet, ok? And, if you think sailors/hookers is perverted why am I not surprised, you really that fucking stupid?

And your Saints suck, ok faggot?

[Avante]

Imagine Basketball with just white players,whoa~~~~~

That speed, quicks, elusiveness is a weapon in any sport, so why limit yourself and try to play without it?

ONE MORE TIME~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Where did all the white cornerbacks/RB's go, well?

[Pelicans78]

Little man, the only thing fat on me is my wallet, ok? And, if you think sailors/hookers is perverted why am I not surprised, you really that fucking stupid?

And your Saints suck, ok faggot?

No you're fat and a pervert and your Niners suck more than my Saints.

[JoeTait75]

Cardale Jones coming to take his place :hat

Cardale has a lot of work to do before he becomes a serviceable NFL-level QB.

[Avante]

No you're fat and a pervert and your Niners suck more than my Saints.

Why tell lies fucker? And my Niners have won how many SB's? How many Niners in the Hall of Fame? How many Niners are the best ever at their position? How many changes to the game started with the Niners?

Stupid idiot~~~~~

[Pelicans78]

Why tell lies fucker? And my Niners have won hiow many SB's? How many Niners in the Hall of Fame? How many Niners are the best ever at their position? How many changes to the game started with the Niners?

Stupid idiot~~~~~

You're fat, you're lazy, and you'r a pervert.

Also, the Saints are better this season, and have won a Super Bowl more recently. The Niners haven't won it all in 20 years. The Saints won just 6 years ago.

So quit living in the past. The Niners aren't what they were in the 80s and 90s. Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, Bill Walsh, and Steve Young aren't walking thru that door anytime soon.

Fat fuck.

[Trill Clinton]

i been saying this for years. the white qb isn't over but the era of the cement shoe wearing stand in the pocket qb is coming to a close. most of the young dynamic white qb's have the running element to their game, a rodgers, luck, smith, bortles.

[Avante]

You're fat, you're lazy, and you'r a pervert.

Also, the Saints are better this season, and have won a Super Bowl more recently. The Niners haven't won it all in 20 years. The Saints won just 6 years ago.

So quit living in the past. The Niners aren't what they were in the 80s and 90s. Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, Bill Walsh, and Steve Young aren't walking thru that door anytime soon.

Fat fuck.

You can't even tell me the color of my hair or if I even have any, so why talk like a total moron? Well?

Who is living in the past dummy, do you see me talking up my sucky Niners, HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are terrible! But....if we are talking franchises the Niners are one of the most successful ever, FAR FAR FAR more successful than the Saints, ok stupid?

[jeebus]

Avante getting ethered in this thread; almost as bad as the interrogation he received from filipino authorities after the 2 eleven year olds he raped told the cops.

[Blake]

i been saying this for years. the white qb isn't over but the era of the cement shoe wearing stand in the pocket qb is coming to a close. most of the young dynamic white qb's have the running element to their game, a rodgers, luck, smith, bortles.

how many years have you been saying that

[Avante]

Avante getting ethered in this thread; almost as bad as the interrogation he received from filipino authorities after the 2 eleven year olds he raped told the cops.

So there I was one of 10,000 sailors in Olongapo (Naval base just over a bridge) all of them looking for pussy but I was stopped and.....hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a fucking retard.

Dude, there is nobody here capable of doing shit to me, ok stupid, they don't know enought , got it?

[Avante]

Just catch some high school football games...BINGO~~~~~~~~~

Now more than ever a good 40 is very important for a QB. There was a time nobody cared.

[johnsmith]

Avante, just stop...you've been saying the exact same shit on here for like four years now....aren't you tired of posting the same thing over and over again?

No one likes you on this site....just leave.

[Avante]

Avante, just stop...you've been saying the exact same shit on here for like four years now....aren't you tired of posting the same thing over and over again?

No one likes you on this site....just leave.

How many black QB's have played in the SB in those 4 years? How many have won the NCAA title? Well?

Who likes you on this site? Who likes anyone? Well?

Dude, why am I the only one you ever talk to here?

[pgardn]

The game is just too fast for sluggish white guys anymore. Where would a white QB be right now behind that Seattle line?

The big thing is extending a play, something black QB's can do because they are athletes, most could play another position, Tom Brady/Peyton Manning/Joe Montana/Dan Marino etc etc were "just" QB's only.

The defense knows where those 4 must be, so no need to worry about outside containment, while a RW puts more stress on a defense because of that...ZOOM!

Look at the NCAA right now, the top team in the nation, a black QB. The top ranked team in the NFC, a black QB. Defending NCAA champion, a black QB. What QB has played in more SB's lately, a black QB.

Sure, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers (who is mobile) can make it work but that breed is dying out.

Next up, the sluggish white place kickers.


The board should hear Avante's explanation of skin color and place kicking.

[Avante]

Next up, the sluggish white place kickers.


The board should hear Avante's explanation of skin color and place kicking.

Skin color? You are kidding, right?

[pgardn]

Skin color? You are kidding, right?

Where are the black place kickers?

[Avante]

Where are the black place kickers?

Most blacks can run and jump, they can do other things besides kick, so they do. Slow white guys with no real skill for football can kick.

Of course ya know there has been a black kicker, right?

[pgardn]

Most blacks can run and jump, they can do other things besides kick, so they do. Slow white guys with no real skill for football can kick.

Of course ya know there has been a black kicker, right?

Roby was a great punter in the NFL. Don't remember any black place kickers that were even decent.

So what if you can do other things, kick the ball as well. Why not?

[Avante]

Roby was a great punter in the NFL. Don't remember any black place kickers that were even decent.

So what if you can do other things, kick the ball as well. Why not?

Not at all surprised you know nothing about the black place kickers, I knew ya wouldn't.

And, the first black place kicker in pro football also played another position.

Rookies, sheesh~~~~~~~

[Avante]

Look at Cam Newton, he's 6-5 250 pounds and not an once of fat on him. And he can probaby run a 4.6 40. Now what white QB was similar to that, yep...none. No Big Ben can't run a 4.6 40.

Look at Russell Wilson, what white QB can do that, yep...none! Oh yeah, Steve Young long ago.

What white QB could run a sub 4.40 40 like Michael Vick?

With defenders getting bigger and faster, you will need somebody back there who can run/escape/evade. That is happening right now at the HS level so guess what?

[hehateme]

Look at Cam Newton, he's 6-5 250 pounds and not an once of fat on him. And he can probaby run a 4.6 40. Now what white QB was similar to that, yep...none. No Big Ben can't run a 4.6 40.

Look at Russell Wilson, what white QB can do that, yep...none! Oh yeah, Steve Young long ago.

What white QB could run a sub 4.40 40 like Michael Vick?

With defenders getting bigger and faster, you will need somebody back there who can run/escape/evade. That is happening right now at the HS level so guess what?

Judy really needs to sign you up as a scouts master so you will have more time on your hands to feel up little kids and leave all of us the fuck alone with your shit takes.

[Pelicans78]

Look at Cam Newton, he's 6-5 250 pounds and not an once of fat on him. And he can probaby run a 4.6 40. Now what white QB was similar to that, yep...none. No Big Ben can't run a 4.6 40.

Look at Russell Wilson, what white QB can do that, yep...none! Oh yeah, Steve Young long ago.

What white QB could run a sub 4.40 40 like Michael Vick?

With defenders getting bigger and faster, you will need somebody back there who can run/escape/evade. That is happening right now at the HS level so guess what?

Andrew Luck ran a 4.6 in the 40 you lazy fuck :lol

[Raven]

Look at Cam Newton, he's 6-5 250 pounds and not an once of fat on him. And he can probaby run a 4.6 40. Now what white QB was similar to that, yep...none. No Big Ben can't run a 4.6 40.

Look at Russell Wilson, what white QB can do that, yep...none! Oh yeah, Steve Young long ago.

What white QB could run a sub 4.40 40 like Michael Vick?

With defenders getting bigger and faster, you will need somebody back there who can run/escape/evade. That is happening right now at the HS level so guess what?

how are they becoming bigger? they are becoming faster and weaker.

[benefactor]

Why tell lies fucker?
:lol

[Mal]

I can imagine what GM or head coach feel when his 20 mil QB is running with the ball on 3rd down to get to 1st down line.

[Avante]

Judy really needs to sign you up as a scouts master so you will have more time on your hands to feel up little kids and leave all of us the fuck alone with your shit takes.

Sailor in a bar ya dumb fuck, ok? I realize ya don't get that being an idiot.

I tell it like it really is, and everyone knows it. Why fight it stupid?

[Avante]

Andrew Luck ran a 4.6 in the 40 you lazy fuck :lol

When did Andrew Luck become 6-5 250?

[Mal]

When did Andrew Luck become 6-5 250?

Since when size of QB matters ?

[Avante]

Since when size of QB matters ?

You're kidding right?

[Mal]

You're kidding right?

I don`t. I mean height matters, but when you have 6-2 or 6-6 QB his weight and size doesnt matter. If he can pass accurately and run 40 yard dash in some time, his size (height and weight) doesnt matter

[Avante]

I don`t. I mean height matters, but when you have 6-2 or 6-6 QB his weight and size doesnt matter. If he can pass accurately and run 40 yard dash in some time, his size (height and weight) doesnt matter

Trust me we won't be seeing a 5-9 185 pound NFL QB no matter how good he was in college.

[Mal]

Trust me we won't be seeing a 5-9 185 pound NFL QB no matter how good he was in college.

Of course not, that wasnt the thing. I was talking about Luck and Newton 40yard dash time, when time is the same, only because Newton is heavier. For that comparision size, doesnt matter.

[Avante]

Of course not, that wasnt the thing. I was talking about Luck and Newton 40yard dash time, when time is the same, only because Newton is heavier. For that comparision size, doesnt matter.

Wrong.

You understand velocity + mass?

[Avante]

I'm still waiting for somebody/anybody to explain why we don't have any white cornerbacks anymore and very very few white RB's. Well?

It is funny watching Stanfords Christian McCaffery, and how those tv announcer try to talk around a speedy white running back the rarity. He's a 10.6ish guy by now having ran 10.80ish in HS. Which is...good...speed, not great. Jamaal Charles runs a sub 10.20 or did while at Texas,

[spurraider21]

comparing CB's and RB's to QB's :lmao

[Avante]

comparing CB's and RB's to QB's :lmao

How stupid are you? I'm not talking about QB's there, it isn't obvious? I took off in another direction, honest I did.

As we can see nobody wants to tell the truth about this, which is....blacks are far better athletes, they are quicker, faster and far more elusive.

Save the wimpy ass...but this is about QB's....ok, I don't care...alright?

[DJR210]

:lol chill OP

Let's see a raised from the ghetto black win a championship before we get too carried away here.. Russel Wilson's whitewashed Tiger Woods/Tim Duncan ass doesn't count

[Avante]

:lol chill OP

Let's see a raised from the ghetto black win a championship before we get too carried away here.. Russel Wilson's whitewashed Tiger Woods/Tim Duncan ass doesn't count

How was Doug Williams raised?

[bigzak25]

Trying to gotchu weight up after going against a sorry ass redskins d...lol....just beat dallas nigga.

[Mal]

Wrong.

You understand velocity + mass?

I do, but again it doesnt matter for QB... Black`s advantage in pure athletism is most irrelevant at QB postion.

[Avante]

I do, but again it doesnt matter for QB... Black`s advantage in pure athletism is most irrelevant at QB postion.

It is? How would Tom Brady do behind that Seahawks o line? RW is running for his life, what could Brady do?

[Raven]

It is? How would Tom Brady do behind that Seahawks o line? RW is running for his life, what could Brady do?

that's probably the worst take of the month.

[Avante]

that's probably the worst take of the month.

No it's not, so how about answering the question? Wht would any QB who can't run do right now behind that Seattle o line, well?

[Raven]

No it's not, so how about answering the question? Wht would any QB who can't run do right now behind that Seattle o line, well?

he'd make the offensive line look like a million bucks, as he has always done and as he is doing right now. Just check the line last week and admire.

[Avante]

he'd make the offensive line look like a million bucks, as he has always done and as he is doing right now. Just check the line last week and admire.

Haven't seen the Seahawks play in 2015 have ya? If the mobile RW has been sacked the most in the league imagine what would happen to the not so mobile Tom Brady,

Don't get me wrong, Brady is the better QB just not the better athlete.

[Mal]

It is? How would Tom Brady do behind that Seahawks o line? RW is running for his life, what could Brady do?

Pats O-line is having huge injuries problems, but still Pats are 10-0. That bad take dude.

[Trill Clinton]

he'd make the offensive line look like a million bucks, as he has always done and as he is doing right now. Just check the line last week and admire.

tom threw several passes into the ground last week because his line couldn't hold a block. i never seen him throw so many balls in the dirt like that.

[Trill Clinton]

give brady a shitty o line and he'll just throw the ball away and move on to the next play. with the same shitty o line, a more agile qb like rodgers, luck or bortles would probably tuck and run for positive yards.

[Raven]

tom threw several passes into the ground last week because his line couldn't hold a block. i never seen him throw so many balls in the dirt like that.

is that supposed to be bad?

[Raven]

Haven't seen the Seahawks play in 2015 have ya? If the mobile RW has been sacked the most in the league imagine what would happen to the not so mobile Tom Brady,

Don't get me wrong, Brady is the better QB just not the better athlete.

Brady would get sacked a lot less, anyone believing tom would get sacked more is just dumb.

[Will Hunting]

Haven't seen the Seahawks play in 2015 have ya? If the mobile RW has been sacked the most in the league imagine what would happen to the not so mobile Tom Brady,

Don't get me wrong, Brady is the better QB just not the better athlete.

You're not factoring in how long each QB holds onto the ball. This season, Brady is getting rid of the ball 2.4 seconds after the snap (on average), by far the best number in the league. He might not be the athlete Wilson is but he's still able to avoid sacks with a patchwork offensive line because of how quickly he gets rid of the ball.

[Trill Clinton]

is that supposed to be bad?


it isn't good

[Will Hunting]

it isn't good
Its not good but it's much better than him holding the ball too long and taking a sack or forcing a pass that gets intercepted. With all the injuries they've had at the skill positions and on the offensive line, there's going to be plays where someone fucks up his blocking assignment or doesn't run the right route and Brady needs to throw it away.

[Trill Clinton]

Its not good but it's much better than him holding the ball too long and taking a sack or forcing a pass that gets intercepted. With all the injuries they've had at the skill positions and on the offensive line, there's going to be plays where someone fucks up his blocking assignment or doesn't run the right route and Brady needs to throw it away.
i agree

[Avante]

Brady would get sacked a lot less, anyone believing tom would get sacked more is just dumb.

I know Brady would get sacked more, I'll try again....have you seen the Seahawks play in 2015?

[Raven]

I know Brady would get sacked more, I'll try again....have you seen the Seahawks play in 2015?

no he wouldn't, stop saying the dumbest things.

[Avante]

no he wouldn't, stop saying the dumbest things.

Yep, you're right. It just hit me, if Brady were back there they'd run a whole different style of offense. One tailored around his skill set. My bad.

[SupremeGuy]

Cam is this years Struggle Wilson. He'll only go as far as his defense carries him, tbh.

[chunticakes]

Cam is this years Struggle Wilson. He'll only go as far as his defense carries him, tbh.

:cry :cry :cry butbutbutbut he has the same number of total TDs as Brady and Palmer!!! :cry :cry :cry

Fuck you fucking faggot you!! Cam Newton is the best!!!

:lol

[SupremeGuy]

:cry :cry :cry butbutbutbut he has the same number of total TDs as Brady and Palmer!!! :cry :cry :cry

Fuck you fucking faggot you!! Cam Newton is the best!!!

:lolI can't tell if you agree or disagree with me, tbh. :lol

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Cam is this years MVP. He'll only go as far as his defense carries him, tbh.


fixed.. last part is true.. for every team in the NFL

[TheGreatYacht]

673608246733615104

[Avante]

We could have 4 black QB's in the NFC playoffs, with Cam, RW, Winston and Bridgewater.

And, we could have a black QB in the NCAA title game, again!

[lefty]

Good thread

[SuperCam]

White-fan favorite pulling a Kobe and declining at 32 :lol

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cs0IpGiVMAEijRN.jpg:small


I blame all the energy spent trying to maintain the facade of a heterosexual lifestyle, tbh

[Clipper Nation]

Gabbert keeping Krappernick's racist ass on the bench :worthy:

[Avante]

Tha ability to escape the pocket and extend plays and make things happen with your feet is becoming more and more attractive to all coachs at all level when looking for QB's. To take the run threat away makes no sense. And that is college ball/HS, where do the NFL QB's come from.................

Black QB's have played in the last three SB's and National Championship games, that is where the game is heading.

I;ve played against QB's we knew couldn't run, knowing that makes everything else far easier on defense. And I've played against runners first, that is a whole other deal and far harder on a defense.

[Avante]

We all see it each and every game at all levels. There go four receivers, the QB slides to the left or right and there is 15-20 yards of open field ahead of him. Guys like Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning can't do much about that, that can't be said about Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, Dak Presott or even Jameis Winston. That is where the game is going.


Knowing that their QB can run puts a whole other stress on a defense , something totally different knowing he can't hurt ya with his legs.

[Raven]

I think it's pretty obvious that the game is moving towards the white, tall, strong armed qb. No one needs the running qb anymore and the read option is pretty much a novelty thing at best at this point.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

I think it's pretty obvious that the game is moving towards the white, tall, strong armed qb. No one needs the running qb anymore and the read option is pretty much a novelty thing at best at this point.

To this day I cannot tell if you are a real poster or a troll from your takes.

But I don't agree with the title of this thread for what it's worth.

[Raven]

To this day I cannot tell if you are a real poster or a troll from your takes.

But I don't agree with the title of this thread for what it's worth.

well, look around, what do you see.

[Avante]

I think it's pretty obvious that the game is moving towards the white, tall, strong armed qb. No one needs the running qb anymore and the read option is pretty much a novelty thing at best at this point.

Tell that to the NCAA, where the NFL gets all its QB's.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omMcVIi4aQs

We will see two black QB's in that NCAA Championship game.

Best rookie QB in NFL...black.
Last MVP....black QB
Last 4 seasons the NFC rep in the SB had a black QB.
Best QB rating in the NFL in 2015....black QB
Pro bowl MVP...black QB

[Raven]

Tell that to the NCAA, where the NFL gets all its QB's.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omMcVIi4aQs

We will see two black QB's in that NCAA Championship game.

Best rookie QB in NFL...black.
Last MVP....black QB
Last 4 seasons the NFC rep in the SB had a black QB.
Best QB rating in the NFL in 2015....black QB
Pro bowl MVP...black QB

this is the nfl forum

[Pelicans78]

Tell that to the NCAA, where the NFL gets all its QB's.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omMcVIi4aQs

We will see two black QB's in that NCAA Championship game.

Best rookie QB in NFL...black.
Last MVP....black QB
Last 4 seasons the NFC rep in the SB had a black QB.
Best QB rating in the NFL in 2015....black QB
Pro bowl MVP...black QB

The NCAA has always used athletic black QBs whether it was the option/wishbone in the 70s/80s and the spread option in the late 90s/2000s. It's not anything new.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Tell that to the NCAA, where the NFL gets all its QB's.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omMcVIi4aQs

We will see two black QB's in that NCAA Championship game.

Best rookie QB in NFL...black.
Last MVP....black QB
Last 4 seasons the NFC rep in the SB had a black QB.
Best QB rating in the NFL in 2015....black QB
Pro bowl MVP...black QB
If I was his agent I would remove the part of that video where he speaks

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Dak > Carson

[Avante]

this is the nfl forum

And what NFL QB didn't play in college ball?

[Avante]

If I was his agent I would remove the part of that video where he speaks

I do agree with that, and we see that with a lot of black athletes. Why they don't read more or want to know about things...??? Anytime I've ever tried to...

Avante...his big influense was Guitar Slim.
black buddy....yawn.

[Clipper Nation]

Dak > Carson
:lmao

[UNT Eagles 2016]

:lmao

Wentz, not Palmer


But will be better than Palmer soon

[Clipper Nation]

Wentz, not Palmer
I know. Dak is not better than Wentz.

[Avante]

The NCAA has always used athletic black QBs whether it was the option/wishbone in the 70s/80s and the spread option in the late 90s/2000s. It's not anything new.

Yes I know but how many times have most the top teams in the nation all had black QB's?

How often has the NFL had as many black starters as it does right now?

Defensive players are quicker/faster than ever. You can't set somebody back there who isn't able to escape the pass run, extend the play. And a running QB puts added stress on a defense. Who feared Peyton/Brady*** as a runner? While Wilson/Newton can hurt ya big time. Just more to defend.

*** yes guys that talented don't need to be overly mobile but how many rival those two?

[UNT Eagles 2016]

I know. Dak is not better than Wentz.

So in your world, a black guy should have to make an A to be equal to a white guy who makes a B or an Asian guy who makes a C?

[Clipper Nation]

So in your world, a black guy should have to make an A to be equal to a white guy who makes a B or an Asian guy who makes a C?
:lol This analogy makes no sense. Wentz gets an A+++++ so far. He makes some amazing throws, can read a defense and even change the protection already. He has an in-depth grasp of the running game, too. This is all stuff that takes even the best quarterbacks years to learn, yet Wentz is already showing those skills now.

Dak is only being asked to manage the game. He's a one-read QB who stares down his receivers. Once there's enough tape on him, he's screwed.

I know your new schtick is recycling Trill and Creepn's old schtick of playing the race card, but your take here is just retarded.

[Will Hunting]

So in your world, a black guy should have to make an A to be equal to a white guy who makes a B or an Asian guy who makes a C?
CN already said it, but in what world does Wentz only get a B? He's had two dominant wins (albeit against crappy opposition) on a team that a lot of people thought would contend for worst in the NFC.

[Mal]

Tell that to the NCAA, where the NFL gets all its QB's.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omMcVIi4aQs

We will see two black QB's in that NCAA Championship game.

Best rookie QB in NFL...black.
Last MVP....black QB
Last 4 seasons the NFC rep in the SB had a black QB.
Best QB rating in the NFL in 2015....black QB
Pro bowl MVP...black QB

I`ll like the kid, as college QB, but if he`ll be great in the NFL it will be all about his passing skills and game managing.

[Clipper Nation]

CN already said it, but in what world does Wentz only get a B? He's had two dominant wins (albeit against crappy opposition) on a team that a lot of people thought would contend for worst in the NFC.
It's not even about the wins and losses for me. It's about the way Wentz plays. It's early, he'll have his ups and downs, but he has the brains and poise of a vet.

[Clipper Nation]

I`ll like the kid, as college QB, but if he`ll be great in the NFL it will be all about his passing skills and game managing.
I will say this for Jackson: he's shown that he can already read a defense and beat them with his brain and his arm. That's a good sign for his NFL career. Petrino runs an NFL-style offense, and Jackson specifically sought out pro-style teams in his recruitment because that's what he wanted to play in. He didn't want to play in the typical dumbed-down college offense where all you do is count how many people are in the box and either run the read-option or throw. Nothing's guaranteed, but I think he'll excel on Sundays. He has the right mindset and skills - and great coaching too.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

CN already said it, but in what world does Wentz only get a B? He's had two dominant wins (albeit against crappy opposition) on a team that a lot of people thought would contend for worst in the NFC.
Even at the beginning of the season I had the Eagles starting out 2-0 and 3-1 before losing out.


But I kind of swapped my Skins/Eagles prediction for this year now.

[spurraider21]

wentz has had the most impressive first 2 games that i recall since cam tbh

[Raven]

this denver qb scrub looks pretty decent today.

[Raven]

wentz has had the most impressive first 2 games that i recall since cam tbh

derek carr?

[spurraider21]

derek carr?
if we're strictly talking first 2 games i'd say wentz. but carr has already established himself as a good qb in the league, wentz isn't there yet

[Avante]

Both Wentz and Prescott have...IT...and no we don't need to slow down on this one. And, both will (obviously) be getting better, total impressed with both guys. Sure sure there will be that game where it's just not there but that has nothing to do with where these guys are at.

I talked about RGIII being a stupid idea instead of taking Wentz, but had no idea just how stupid that was until now.

The black/white thing is actually about mobility, most blacks can run. If a white QB can motor, cool~

Speaking of black rookie QB's, RGIII was rookie of the year, Cam Newton set rookie records and Russell Wilson..

Wilson finished the 2012 regular season ranked 4th in the NFL in passer rating (100.0), beating the previous rookie record set by Ben Roethlisberger (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Ben_Roethlisberger) in 2004 (98.1). He threw for 3,118 yards and 26 touchdowns, tying Peyton Manning (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Peyton_Manning)'s record for most touchdowns thrown by a rookie,[75] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-75) and rushed for 489 yards and four touchdowns. Wilson's scrambling (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Quarterback_scramble) mobility and ability to extend plays outside the pocket with his legs earned numerous comparisons to Hall of Fame (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Pro_Football_Hall_of_Fame) quarterback Fran Tarkenton (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Fran_Tarkenton).[76] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-76)[77] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-77)[78] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-78)

[Clipper Nation]

Both Wentz and Prescott have...IT...and no we don't need to slow down on this one.
Wow, how convenient for you.

[Avante]

Wow, how convenient for you.

Use your head little guy, we have seen rookie QB;s step right in and take off a number of times, same with running backs. Then we have seen those that take some time.

[SuperCam]

My nigga Dak has ushered the Romo era to a close :hat

[SuperCam]

Wentz, not Palmer


But will be better than Palmer soon


nostradamous take here fam :toast

[Avante]

Alabama
Tampa Bay
Louisville
Seattle
Ohio State
Texas
Buffalo
San Francisco
Minnesota
Nebraska
Clemson
Dallas
Notre Dame
Carolina

get what an athletic QB can do.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

The Eagles made Dak, not Zeke and the OL, beat them... and he did. Zeke was a relative non-factor and shut down for the most part (held under 100 yards for the first time in a LONG time) but Dak pulled a Romo and beat them in the passing game in spite of adversity and a major late first-half error... incredible.

[Avante]

If you can find a guy who can hurt a defense with his legs ALSO, why pass on him for an Eli Manning type? The stress a running QB puts on a defense is a real big deal, it changes everything.

With so many of the top NCAA programs with black mobile QB;s it really is just a matter of time before guys like Tom Brady are obsolete.

[Pelicans78]

Alabama
Tampa Bay
Louisville
Seattle
Ohio State
Texas
Buffalo
San Francisco
Minnesota
Nebraska
Clemson
Dallas
Notre Dame
Carolina

get what an athletic QB can do.

Half of those teams you listed have scrubs for QBs and are mediocre teams themselves. Poor take on your part.

[Avante]

Half of those teams you listed have scrubs for QBs and are mediocre teams themselves. Poor take on your part.

Dude, what's with this.....I MUST PROVE AVANTE WRONG ALL THE TIME ABOUT EVERYTHING....trip? Come on little guy, hahahaha~~~~

When was the last time we saw...

Notre Dame
Alabama
Clemson
Nebraska
Louisville
Ohio State

....all with black QB's? If ya follow HS ball what are we seeing there?

There is a real good chance we will see two black QB's in that NCAA title game this season. And look at the NFC. The last four champs QB's....

black
black
black
black

And now here's Dak Prescott.

[Raven]

so derek carr is your next great qb. When are the bqs going to have one?

[Avante]

so derek carr is your next great qb. When are the bqs going to have one?

Carr had a 76.6 QB rating as a roolkie, Russell Wilon 100.0. Wilson had a 64.1 comp %, Carr 58.1.

[Raven]

Carr had a 76.6 QB rating as a roolkie, Russell Wilon 100.0. Wilson had a 64.1 comp %, Carr 58.1.

what's your point

[Pelicans78]

Dude, what's with this.....I MUST PROVE AVANTE WRONG ALL THE TIME ABOUT EVERYTHING....trip? Come on little guy, hahahaha~~~~

When was the last time we saw...

Notre Dame
Alabama
Clemson
Nebraska
Louisville
Ohio State

....all with black QB's? If ya follow HS ball what are we seeing there?

There is a real good chance we will see two black QB's in that NCAA title game this season. And look at the NFC. The last four champs QB's....

black
black
black
black

And now here's Dak Prescott.

Those teams black QBs in the 80s, 90s, and 2000s; Tony Rice, Tommy Frazier? Hello?

[Avante]

what's your point

The best young QB in the league is Russell Wilson, that is my point.

[Avante]

Those teams black QBs in the 80s, 90s, and 2000s; Tony Rice, Tommy Frazier? Hello?

I was...OBVIOUSLY....talking about all at the same time, ok?

Did you really think a guy like myself wasn't aware of all those black QB;s , dude.........??????? Wanna talk Willie Thrower?

[Pelicans78]

I was...OBVIOUSLY....talking about all at the same time, ok?

Did you really think a guy like myself wasn't aware of all those black QB;s , dude.........??????? Wanna talk Willie Thrower?

Alot of those teams have had black QBs at the same time. Only difference is the offenses have changed from the wishbone/option, to the spread option to add a passing element. But you're a simpleton as HH stated here.

[Clipper Nation]

If you can find a guy who can hurt a defense with his legs ALSO, why pass on him for an Eli Manning type?

Eli Manning is undefeated in Super Bowls, tbh. He's never single-handedly blown a Super Bowl like your boy Struggle did at the one-yard line.

[Clipper Nation]

Carr had a 76.6 QB rating as a roolkie, Russell Wilon 100.0. Wilson had a 64.1 comp %, Carr 58.1.

Carr was stuck on an atrocious 3-win team his rookie season. Andre Holmes is the only receiver from that team who's still on their roster now, and he's mostly become a bit player in their offense.

In contrast, Struggle walked into a stacked team on the rise. His team has always been loaded with so much talent that all he's ever had to do is manage the game and make safe, risk-free throws - thereby inflating his stats. He has never been expected to make something happen with garbage around him.

Harlem is right. You're a simpleton with no understanding of the context behind the stats you throw around.

[Avante]

Alot of those teams have had black QBs at the same time. Only difference is the offenses have changed from the wishbone/option, to the spread option to add a passing element. But you're a simpleton as HH stated here.


If ya knew the game you'd know that no that isn't true at all, only right now are we seeing so many big time college programs all with black QB's, bone up on this stuff, ok?

[Avante]

Eli Manning is undefeated in Super Bowls, tbh. He's never single-handedly blown a Super Bowl like your boy Struggle did at the one-yard line.


Ya want to compare Mannings first 4 seasons vs RW's, trust me, ya don't.

[Avante]

Carr was stuck on an atrocious 3-win team his rookie season. Andre Holmes is the only receiver from that team who's still on their roster now, and he's mostly become a bit player in their offense.

In contrast, Struggle walked into a stacked team on the rise. His team has always been loaded with so much talent that all he's ever had to do is manage the game and make safe, risk-free throws - thereby inflating his stats. He has never been expected to make something happen with garbage around him.

Harlem is right. You're a simpleton with no understanding of the context behind the stats you throw around.


That coming from a guy who thinks Derek Anderson is better than Cam Newton, ha~~~~ A guy who after two games....HE SUCKS...HE'S GREAT...hahaha~~~~~~~

Of all the great QB's only Russell Wilson has never had a truly GREAT receiver, and you really wanna talk context? Who was his stud TE, and you wanna call others a simpleton? Dude, you really don't see Newton as a franchise QB, why....oh yeah, he's black. Dude, you don't like Wilson because.............he's black, yet you wanna talk context, hahahaha~~~~~~~~~~~~

You looked totally stupid the other night with Anderson, INT, FUMBLE, INT, so don't be playing critic, ok ya bitch?

Fucking idiot~

[Avante]

A black QB could win the Heisman again and the NFL rookie of the year. Two black QB's in the NCAA title game? A black QB in the SB for the 5th straight season???Last NFL MVP...black QB.

[spurraider21]

ncaa :lol

heisman qb's since 2000:

marcus mariota - looks like garbage, mostly
jameis winston - looked decent as a rookie, hasn't developed
johnny manziel - :lol
rg3 - :lol
cam newton - actual good qb :wow
sam bradford - :lol
tim tebow - :lol
troy smith - :lol
matt lienart - :lol
jason white - :lol
carson palmer - actual good qb :wow
eric crouch - :lol
chris weinke - :lol

[Avante]

ncaa :lol

Not getting that the more black QB;s we see in the NCAA, the more we will see the NFL....EL DUHO~~~~~~~~~

Rookies, sheesh~~~~~~~~~~~~

UNLV
Washington
USC
Wisconsin
Auburn
Syracuse
Central Florida
Louisville
Nevada
Virginia Tech
Michigan St
Baylor
Texas
Alcorn
Grambling

...have proven that.

[Clipper Nation]

cam newton - actual good qb :wow

Since when?

[Avante]

Since when?

Are you just brain dead?

[Avante]

ncaa :lol

heisman qb's since 2000:

marcus mariota - looks like garbage, mostly
jameis winston - looked decent as a rookie, hasn't developed
johnny manziel - :lol
rg3 - :lol
cam newton - actual good qb :wow
sam bradford - :lol
tim tebow - :lol
troy smith - :lol
matt lienart - :lol
jason white - :lol
carson palmer - actual good qb :wow
eric crouch - :lol
chris weinke - :lol

Blacks winning three of the last five Heismans, and the other two could run like a black QB.

Where is the NFL QB position heading, yep....mobile QB's.

[spurraider21]

Blacks winning three of the last five Heismans, and the other two could run like a black QB.

Where is the NFL QB position heading, yep....mobile QB's.you say that but the top qb's in the league this year have been brady, ryan, stafford, rivers, brees, carr, and luck

[Clipper Nation]

Where is the NFL QB position heading, yep....mobile QB's.
And where are the NFL's ratings heading, yep....down the toilet.

The public is becoming less interested in the cavalcade of shitty quarterbacks and mediocre teams that fill most games today. And it's only going to get worse as colleges keep pumping out more "mobile" QBs who have never been taught to play the position correctly. People around the league are already in panic mode over how many QB prospects can't even read a defense nowadays:


This year, according to separate interviews with dozens of NFL coaches and executives, something disturbing happened in these pre-draft quiz sessions. When asked the same basic questions, many quarterback prospects responded with something NFL insiders said they have never seen before: blank stares.

Detroit Lions offensive coordinator Joe Lombardi said the new crop of college quarterbacks were flummoxed by a simple question about an "under" front, one of the most common defensive alignments. "Whoa, no one's ever told me 'front' before," he remembers one prospect saying. "No one's ever talked to me about reading these defenses."

Buffalo Bills general manager Doug Whaley said he had the same results when he asked prospects a question about defenses shifting from a common scheme called "cover 2" to an equally mundane tactic called "cover 3." Hue Jackson, the offensive coordinator from the Bengals, said he had to dumb down his questions, while Indianapolis Colts offensive coordinator Pep Hamilton said some QBs failed to grasp things as basic as understanding a common play call. "You have to teach these kids the absolute basics," he said.

The knowledge base was so low, Buffalo's Whaley said, that it left him feeling "a little nervous about the long-term future of this game."



http://www.wsj.com/articles/why-the-nfl-has-a-quarterback-crisis-1441819454


Pretty soon, NFL games will be as boring as soccer games as nobody gets good enough quarterback play to score consistently against pro defenses.

[Avante]

you say that but the top qb's in the league this year have been brady, ryan, stafford, rivers, brees, carr, and luck

And the NFC has had a black QB in the SB the last 4 seasons and the best rookie QB is black. The last MVP...black.

You do get this thread is about where things are heading, right?

[Avante]

And where are the NFL's ratings heading, yep....down the toilet.

The public is becoming less interested in the cavalcade of shitty quarterbacks and mediocre teams that fill most games today. And it's only going to get worse as colleges keep pumping out more "mobile" QBs who have never been taught to play the position correctly. People around the league are already in panic mode over how many QB prospects can't even read a defense nowadays:

This year, according to separate interviews with dozens of NFL coaches and executives, something disturbing happened in these pre-draft quiz sessions. When asked the same basic questions, many quarterback prospects responded with something NFL insiders said they have never seen before: blank stares.

Detroit Lions offensive coordinator Joe Lombardi said the new crop of college quarterbacks were flummoxed by a simple question about an "under" front, one of the most common defensive alignments. "Whoa, no one's ever told me 'front' before," he remembers one prospect saying. "No one's ever talked to me about reading these defenses."

Buffalo Bills general manager Doug Whaley said he had the same results when he asked prospects a question about defenses shifting from a common scheme called "cover 2" to an equally mundane tactic called "cover 3." Hue Jackson, the offensive coordinator from the Bengals, said he had to dumb down his questions, while Indianapolis Colts offensive coordinator Pep Hamilton said some QBs failed to grasp things as basic as understanding a common play call. "You have to teach these kids the absolute basics," he said.

The knowledge base was so low, Buffalo's Whaley said, that it left him feeling "a little nervous about the long-term future of this game."



http://www.wsj.com/articles/why-the-nfl-has-a-quarterback-crisis-1441819454


Pretty soon, NFL games will be as boring as soccer games as nobody gets good enough quarterback play to score consistently against pro defenses.

Dude, it's not about QB's its about penalties and this...PLAY SAFE...bullshit. And if ya think the Presidental situation isn't a factor, why?

The days of standing tall in the pocket are coming to an end, THANK GOD~~~~~~~~~~

[Clipper Nation]

Dude, it's not about QB's its about penalties and this...PLAY SAFE...bullshit.
That's part of it too, but you could count the number of decent primetime games this season on one hand, let alone actually good games. The majority of the league is mediocre to bad, and the biggest reason for that is all the awful quarterbacks who can't make the leap from dumbed-down college offenses to pro systems. :cry "But, but, they're athletic!" :cry And that stops mattering as soon as defensive coordinators get enough tape on them. Just look at how far Krappernick has fallen off.


And if ya think the Presidental situation isn't a factor, why?
The NFL was still setting ratings records in 2008 and 2012. They'd like to use the election as an excuse for their declining ratings instead of blaming their own shit product, but it's simply untrue.


The days of standing tall in the pocket are coming to an end, THANK GOD~~~~~~~~~~
The alternative will kill the sport. Nobody wants to see games like the Cardinals/Seahawks tie every week, but that's what's going to happen as the last few actually good QBs get phased out in favor of scrubs who can run fast.

[Avante]

That's part of it too, but you could count the number of decent primetime games this season on one hand, let alone actually good games. The majority of the league is mediocre to bad, and the biggest reason for that is all the awful quarterbacks who can't make the leap from dumbed-down college offenses to pro systems. :cry "But, but, they're athletic!" :cry And that stops mattering as soon as defensive coordinators get enough tape on them. Just look at how far Krappernick has fallen off.


The NFL was still setting ratings records in 2008 and 2012. They'd like to use the election as an excuse for their declining ratings instead of blaming their own shit product, but it's simply untrue.


The alternative will kill the sport. Nobody wants to see games like the Cardinals/Seahawks tie every week, but that's what's going to happen as the last few actually good QBs get phased out in favor of scrubs who can run fast.

Wrong yet again, amazing.

Being an athletic QB who can also run is great for the game, it's exciting as we saw tonight. Dude, have you ever got anything right?

Derek "INT, FUMBLE, INT" Anderson, hahahahaha~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Clipper Nation]

Wrong yet again, amazing.

Being an athletic QB who can also run is great for the game, it's exciting as we saw tonight. Dude, have you ever got anything right?

You are easily impressed if you think that ref show was "exciting."

Again, people who actually work in this league as coaches and executives are concerned about the future of the product because of all the "athletic" scrub QBs who can't read defenses that you're praising. Meanwhile, the NFL's ratings are in free fall. But keep telling yourself that the rest of the world is crazy and you're the sane one.

[Avante]

You are easily impressed if you think that ref show was "exciting."

Again, people who actually work in this league as coaches and executives are concerned about the future of the product because of all the "athletic" scrub QBs who can't read defenses that you're praising. Meanwhile, the NFL's ratings are in free fall. But keep telling yourself that the rest of the world is crazy and you're the sane one.

20-26 289yds, 2 TD's and how many times did Gruden....amazing...perfect...wow....well? Wilson put on a show and you know it. Stupid, tell us all again bout Derek "INT, FUMBLE, INT" Anderson, hahaha~~~~~~~~~

Seen a lot of football little guy, yep, athletes playing football is very exciting. A running QB is just another weapon out there, you do get that, right?

Turn on the NFL NETWORK right now, listen to these guys bragging and bragging on Russell Wilson. I just heard....he's amazing. Turm on any of those talk shows in the morning count the time you hear....Russell Wilsom is...great, amazing, outstanding etc etc etc ......ok?

Dude, you're a fucking moron. An idiot.

[Clipper Nation]

Turn on the NFL NETWORK right now, listen to these guys bragging and bragging on Russell Wilson. I just heard....he's amazing.
:wow Wow, you mean to tell me that the NFL's own television network is sucking off one of the NFL's most marketable players? Shocker of the century! What's next, the North Korean media praising Kim Jong-un's leadership?

[Avante]

:wow Wow, you mean to tell me that the NFL's own television network is sucking off the NFL's most marketable players? Shocker of the century! What's next, the North Korean media praising Kim Jong-un's leadership?
Wow, you mean a guy who thinks Derek "INT, FUMBLE, INT" Anderson is better than Cam Newton can't figure out what 20-26 289 yds, two td's means? Stupid, how many PERFECT passes did the guy throw tonight?

You really are a total moron, dude. Check out what ESPN, FOX has to say in the morning about Russell Wilson, ok? The guy put on a show, and you know it.

Stupid, will your dumbass ever figure it out?

Check it out son.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2ihcc1b1Z4

Listen ya little fuck, I;ve seen them all since Johnny U, nobody was better than RW at this stage of their career, ok stupid?

[Avante]

It's third and three, there stands Eli, Peyton, Brady, Marino, Matt, Brees. The defense is zeroing in on stopping the pass, or maybe a RB.

It's third and three, there stands Russell Wilson, Tayor, Prescott, Cunningham, Vick, RGIII. The defense now has to zero in on not only stopping the pass, the RB but ALSO a QB keeper.

Then there is this.....

Big guys having to chase a mobile QB around takes a toll on them, yep, tires them out.

So many good things happen with an actual athlete back there, a cat who can hurt ya with his legs. Just another weapon.

Once upon a time it was the fullback who was the primary ball carrier. Jim Brown was a fullback, Jim Taylor a fullback, Cookie Gilchrist a fullback. There was a time when TE's rarely caught passes, they were blockers who "might" catch a pass. Things do change, as we have seen. Look at what Lawrence Taylor did for the LB position. Look at what Pete Gogolak did for kicking?

That ability to escape the rush, extend plays, and hurt a defense running, is the new NFL QB.

[Clipper Nation]

It's 3rd & 5 at the Giants' own 44. There stands Eli Manning, Super Bowl on the line.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxiHMIM4NWI

It's 2nd & goal deep in Patriots territory. There stands Struggle Wilson, Super Bowl on the line.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7rPIg7ZNQ8

[Avante]

One play.....hahahahaha!!!!!!!! ROOKIE~~~~~~~~~~~ Dude, Usian Bolt has lost a 100m, ok slugger? Muhammad Ali has lost a fight.

Let's look at Eli at the same stage of his career as RW, ok rookie?

His best...

comp % 57.7, RW...68.1
yards 3562, RW...4024
INT's combined...64, RW...34
QB rating, 86.4, RW...110.1

Dude, do you EVER get anything right?

Eli throws up a mini Hail Mary, the ball magically gets stuck on a helmet, hahahahahahaha~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Avante]

There stands Eli Manning, it's third and two. Will he pass or handoff?

There stands Russell Wilson, it's third and two. Will he pass, handoff...OR...run the ball.

Let me guess, too complex for some of you.

[Clipper Nation]

One play.....hahahahaha!!!!!!!! ROOKIE~~~~~~~~~~~

It's not just one play, old fart. He also did this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgQ14DqbC-g

And this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCWrcqRW5gU

Meanwhile, Struggle's only defining Super Bowl moment is an embarrassing interception at the goal line that cost his team the win. Sucks to suck, tbh.

[Avante]

So Eli Manning is a better QB than....

Dan Marino
Philip Rivers
Warren Moon
Fran Tarkenton
Dan Fouts
Jim Kelly

...because of his SB exploits? Well then so is RW, right?

Dude, do you simply not understand....BODY OF WORK..and...AT THE SAME STAGE OF A CAREER.......well?

You are so small guy, so into....a game...a play...a season. That is so..ROOKIE~~~~~

Look at what RW did vs Eli before they turned 28, ok rookie?

[Clipper Nation]

Well then so is RW, right?

What "SB exploits" does Struggle have?

He didn't have to do anything in his first Super Bowl. If the Seahawks' offense never took the field that night, Seattle still would have won 16-8. The score was already 29-0 before Struggle finally put up a touchdown and cracked triple-digit yards. His defense and special teams did all the hard work, and that's why the Super Bowl MVP that year went to a defensive player.

In his second Super Bowl, he was just brutal. He didn't complete a pass until the second quarter. He was 3-10 on third down. His team gifted him a 10-point lead and he couldn't score for the rest of the game. Brady completed more passes in the 4th quarter alone than Struggle completed in the entire fucking game. Struggle also had a 5.1 QBR in the 4th quarter.

And of course, we can't forget about The Pick. Apologists like you want to blame the play call, but Struggle refused to audible out of it because he wanted to be the hero. At the start of the play, he hesitated and stared down Lockette while he was wide open. Worst case scenario if he makes that throw is that Lockette gets tackled short of the goal line, they call their last time out and then punch it in with Lynch. Once Butler started covering Lockette, then Struggle took a 2-and-a-half-step drop and finally threw a terrible pass off his back foot. Ironically, he lost the Super Bowl for his team because he didn't do the exact thing you always complain about: stand tall in the pocket and deliver a quick, accurate pass.

Add in some of Struggle's other putrid performances that his team bailed him out of (2013 Divisional Round against the Saints, 2014 NFC title game against the Packers), and I fail to see how Struggle's resume in clutch moments even comes close to Eli's.

[spurraider21]

What "SB exploits" does Struggle have?

He didn't have to do anything in his first Super Bowl. If the Seahawks' offense never took the field that night, Seattle still would have won 16-8. The score was already 29-0 before Struggle finally put up a touchdown and cracked triple-digit yards. His defense and special teams did all the hard work, and that's why the Super Bowl MVP that year went to a defensive player.

In his second Super Bowl, he was just brutal. He didn't complete a pass until the second quarter. He was 3-10 on third down. His team gifted him a 10-point lead and he couldn't score for the rest of the game. Brady completed more passes in the 4th quarter alone than Struggle completed in the entire fucking game. Struggle also had a 5.1 QBR in the 4th quarter.

And of course, we can't forget about The Pick. Apologists like you want to blame the play call, but Struggle refused to audible out of it because he wanted to be the hero. At the start of the play, he hesitated and stared down Lockette while he was wide open. Worst case scenario if he makes that throw is that Lockette gets tackled short of the goal line, they call their last time out and then punch it in with Lynch. Once Butler started covering Lockette, then Struggle took a 2-and-a-half-step drop and finally threw a terrible pass off his back foot. Ironically, he lost the Super Bowl for his team because he didn't do the exact thing you always complain about: stand tall in the pocket and deliver a quick, accurate pass.

Add in some of Struggle's other putrid performances that his team bailed him out of (2013 Divisional Round against the Saints, 2014 NFC title game against the Packers), and I fail to see how Struggle's resume in clutch moments even comes close to Eli's.he didnt throw off his back foot, dipshit. he even raises his back foot as he throws it :lol

[Clipper Nation]

he didnt throw off his back foot, dipshit. he even raises his back foot as he throws it :lol

:lol I see even you can't deny that Struggle shat his pants and threw a terrible pass. He didn't audible, he waited far too long to get rid of the ball and when he did throw it, he threw it way too high. All because he wanted to be the hero but didn't have the courage to stand tall in the pocket like all those "boring" winning quarterbacks that Avante hates.

[Avante]

What "SB exploits" does Struggle have?

He didn't have to do anything in his first Super Bowl. If the Seahawks' offense never took the field that night, Seattle still would have won 16-8. The score was already 29-0 before Struggle finally put up a touchdown and cracked triple-digit yards. His defense and special teams did all the hard work, and that's why the Super Bowl MVP that year went to a defensive player.

In his second Super Bowl, he was just brutal. He didn't complete a pass until the second quarter. He was 3-10 on third down. His team gifted him a 10-point lead and he couldn't score for the rest of the game. Brady completed more passes in the 4th quarter alone than Struggle completed in the entire fucking game. Struggle also had a 5.1 QBR in the 4th quarter.

And of course, we can't forget about The Pick. Apologists like you want to blame the play call, but Struggle refused to audible out of it because he wanted to be the hero. At the start of the play, he hesitated and stared down Lockette while he was wide open. Worst case scenario if he makes that throw is that Lockette gets tackled short of the goal line, they call their last time out and then punch it in with Lynch. Once Butler started covering Lockette, then Struggle took a 2-and-a-half-step drop and finally threw a terrible pass off his back foot. Ironically, he lost the Super Bowl for his team because he didn't do the exact thing you always complain about: stand tall in the pocket and deliver a quick, accurate pass.

Add in some of Struggle's other putrid performances that his team bailed him out of (2013 Divisional Round against the Saints, 2014 NFC title game against the Packers), and I fail to see how Struggle's resume in clutch moments even comes close to Eli's.

Do you EVER answer a fucking a question?

Dude...ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION...ok?

So do you think Eli is a better QB than all those I mentioned because of a couple SB plays....WELL?

So Eli is a better QB than Tom Brady, right?

[spurraider21]

:lol I see even you can't deny that Struggle shat his pants and threw a terrible pass. He didn't audible, he waited far too long to get rid of the ball and when he did throw it, he threw it way too high. All because he wanted to be the hero but didn't have the courage to stand tall in the pocket like all those "boring" winning quarterbacks that Avante hates.it was a bad throw. i'd be delusional if i "denied" that so there's no need. but its asinine to say he threw off his back foot and didnt stand tall. he dropped back and delivered the throw, a bad throw albeit. it was a one step drop for fucks sake :lol

[Clipper Nation]

Do you EVER answer a fucking a question?

Dude...ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION...ok?

So do you think Eli is a better QB than all those I mentioned because of a couple SB plays....WELL?

Your questions are old, gross, and faggy. You actually think Struggle Wilson had "SB exploits" :lmao

[Avante]

Your questions are old, gross, and faggy. You actually think Struggle Wilson had "SB exploits" :lmao

Talk about a fucking moron, ya just now saw how stupid your bullshit was, didn't ya? HELL NO...Eli isn't a better QB than all those I mentooned or Russell Wilson.

Dude, that was stupid, but being an idiot ya missed it.

Dan Marino had no SB expoits so Eli MUST be better...hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Eli Manning wouldn't make a zit on the butt of Warren Moon, I know, news to you.

What an idiot you are faggot.

[Avante]

Clipper Nation

What if RW had completed that pass and wins another SB? What would be your take on him now, well?

I get this feeling that no matter what a black QB does he will still suck in your book, right?

Newton sucks.
Struggle sucks.

Is there any black QB who doesn't suck, well? Let me guess...Prescott has a monster O line and a stud RB...right? Wentz is better, right?

[Clipper Nation]

Clipper Nation

What if RW had completed that pass and wins another SB? What would be your take on him now, well?
I'd say he got carried by his mega-stacked team in two Super Bowls.


I get this feeling that no matter what a black QB does he will still suck on your book, right?
Aaaaand, as always when Struggle's defenders run out of arguments, we circle around to the race card.

Warren Moon and Steve McNair were two of my favorite QBs growing up. Moon was the prototypical pocket passer. McNair was a "mobile" QB early on in his career, but he soon became a great pocket passer as well. Likewise, I knew Tebow and Manziel were going to bust. It has always been about style of play with me, not race. Quit projecting your obsession with skin color onto others.

[Avante]

I'd say he got carried by his mega-stacked team in two Super Bowls.


Aaaaand, as always when Struggle's defenders run out of arguments, we circle around to the race card.

Warren Moon and Steve McNair were two of my favorite QBs growing up. Moon was the prototypical pocket passer. McNair was a "mobile" QB early on in his career, but he soon became a great pocket passer as well. Likewise, I knew Tebow and Manziel were going to bust. It has always been about style of play with me, not race. Quit projecting your obsession with skin color onto others.

Run out of arguments, huh???????????? Dude, RW has done sooooooooooooo many things to brag about, trust me, WAY far away from running out of arguments, ok?

So no matter what RW does or anyone else as long as he has a defense ir won't matter, right? So all those HOF QB;s surrounded by HOFers on their teams shouldn't be there? Bradshaw? Bart Starr?

So unless a QB can't run he can never be a stud QB in your book, right? How about Steve Young? Warren Moon did run, you aren't aware of that? Had a slew of runs over 15 yards, gained over 1700 yds rushing.

Dude, if you didn't see just how great RW is last night you just refuse to deal with reality, he was amazing.

By the way...

Steve McNair was a runner, he had over 3000 yards rushing, five seasons where he had over 400 yards and he had a 600 yard season near the end of his career, so I have no idea what you're talking about and it appears neither do you.

[Avante]

A mobile black QB was the NFL MVP in 2015.

A mobile black QB won the NFC in 2015.

A mobile black QB will win the Heisnan Saturday night.

Two mobile black QB's will play in the NCAA title game.

A mobile black QB will win the NFC this season, beating another mobile black QB.

A mobile black QB could be the MVP.....again.

If ya follow HS football, what are we seeing more and more of? Where do the colleges get their QB's, where does the NFL get their QB's?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EjP_vfib4U

I better toss in a..haha~~~...the obvious doesn't work here.

[benefactor]

chirp chirp

[Avante]

chirp chirp

You really this fucked up little man? Follwing Avante around to...chirp chirp....hahahaha~~~~~

GROW UP~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This is why I saw you as a total freak and a waste of time.

[leemajors]

chirp chirp

[Avante]

chirp chirp

Two can play that game little man, ok?

[Avante]

DO NOT CALL ME CRICKET OR...CHIRP CHIRP..GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR~~~~~~~

Watch how easy this is.

[benefactor]

chirp chirp

[spurraider21]

Chirp Chirp

[Avante]

Chirp Chirp

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How did you do that Avante, that call on Tyreek Hill who I'd never even heard of was amazing. Sorry for that stupid...the curse ...bit, as ya know I'm an idiot sometimes. Reminded of that time I....YIPPPEEEE MINUS 330...you shut me up there also, you are da man Avante.

Oh yeah, you told me my Raiders stood no chance, yep, nailed that also.

[Clipper Nation]

http://i.imgur.com/5zsolhz.jpg

[Avante]

Clipper Nation tell us all again about how Rex is exposing those Raider fakers , hahahahaha~~~~~~~~

Dude, will you ever learn the game is four quarters?

Wanna talk Tyreek Hill again, hahahaha~~~~~~~~~~~

Hell, let;'s not forget Derek "INT FUMBLE INT INT" Anderson, hahahaha~~~~~~~~~~~

Dumb as a rock ain't ya little guy?

[Clipper Nation]

http://i.imgur.com/k2RsLk7.gif

[Avante]

Yep, like so many others here this little shit is totally under the Avante spell, yep....OWNED.

Avanteitist at it's finest.

[Avante]

We could have this in 2016

Mobile black QB wins the Heisman
Mobile black QB wins the Maxwell Award
Mobile black QB wins the Davey O' Brian Award
Mobile black QB wins the NCAA title
Mobile black QB wins the NFC West
Mobile black QB wins the NFC East
Mobile black QB wins the NFL Rookie of the Year
Mobile black QB wins the NFC Championship
Mobile black QB wins the NFL MVP
Mobile black QB wins the SB

LaMarcus Jackson, DeShaun Watson. Russell Wilson, Dak Prescott, Jalen Hurts, J.T. Barrett

[vander]

I wonder if there's an inverse relationship between the success of these mobile playground improv QBs and the viewership of NFL games?

[Kawhitstorm]

I wonder if there's an inverse relationship between the success of these mobile playground improv QBs and the viewership of NFL games?

It's obvious red-necks & hicks are butt-hurt about black QBs running Fatball.:lol

[Avante]

I wonder if there's an inverse relationship between the success of these mobile playground improv QBs and the viewership of NFL games?

I played defense (both ways in HS), nothing is harder than having to deal with a running QB, you are in that constant...will he run, is this a pass? So you have to constantly be thinking about that. With a pocket passer who can't run all ya have to do is zero in on the playmakers.

If a guy can throw...AND..run, that is a hell of a weapon, yep....Russell Wilson, Dak Prescott.

[Clipper Nation]

I wonder if there's an inverse relationship between the success of these mobile playground improv QBs and the viewership of NFL games?
I definitely see ratings plummeting even further if the level of QB play around the league keeps declining. The NFL sorely needs an infusion of new pocket passing QBs who can read a defense, but the problem is that colleges have stopped teaching anyone how to play the position.

[Avante]

I definitely see ratings plummeting even further if the level of QB play around the league keeps declining. The NFL sorely needs an infusion of new pocket passing QBs who can read a defense, but the problem is that colleges have stopped teaching anyone how to play the position.

Most wins in the NFL in 2016....mobile black QB.

Last MVP.....mobile black QB

Last Pro Bowl MVP....mobile black QB

The Buc;s playing better than ever, why.....mobile black QB

The Seahawks finally won a SB when who showed up..mobile black QB

Favored to win the NFC....mobile black QB's

[Kawhitstorm]

I definitely see ratings plummeting even further if the level of QB play around the league keeps declining. The NFL sorely needs an infusion of new pocket passing QBs who can read a defense, but the problem is that colleges have stopped teaching anyone how to play the position.

You mean like the NBA needed an infusion of unathletic white bums who couldn't dribble or dunk in the 70s when the rating dipped b/c the white audience couldn't take getting cucked by a bunch of long dick Africans from the ABA?:lol

Eventually, the race-war b/w Bird/Tragic brought 'em back then Jorn got 'em hooked. Once you go black you don't come back, just ask your mom.:toast

[Avante]

You mean like the NBA needed an infusion of unathletic white bums who couldn't dribble or dunk in the 70s when the rating dipped b/c the white audience couldn't take getting cucked by a bunch of long dick Africans from the ABA?:lol

Eventually, the race-war b/w Bird/Tragic brought 'em back then Jorn got 'em hooked. Once you go black you don't come back, just ask your mom.:toast

I knew there was some intelligent life somewhere here. You got it my man.

There ya are at linebacker, it's third and 4, there stands Eli Manning, so who will he throw it to?

There ya are at linebacker, it's third and 4, there stands Russell Wilson, so will he run or pass to who?

Whole different deal when an athlete is playing QB.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol And once again, the playground-ball apologists resort to playing the race card, as if there's no such thing as a white QB who's entirely reliant on his legs and athleticism or a black QB who can read a defense and play from the pocket.

People aren't tuning out because of black quarterbacks, they're tuning out because of BAD quarterbacks. Run-first QBs make for ugly and boring games.

[Will Hunting]

You mean like the NBA needed an infusion of unathletic white bums who couldn't dribble or dunk in the 70s when the rating dipped b/c the white audience couldn't take getting cucked by a bunch of long dick Africans from the ABA?:lol

Eventually, the race-war b/w Bird/Tragic brought 'em back then Jorn got 'em hooked. Once you go black you don't come back, just ask your mom.:toast

As usual, the black argument resorts to "muh dick muh dick muh dick"

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/735/920/933.png

[Avante]

:lol And once again, the playground-ball apologists resort to playing the race card, as if there's no such thing as a white QB who's entirely reliant on his legs and athleticism or a black QB who can read a defense and play from the pocket.

People aren't tuning out because of black quarterbacks, they're tuning out because of BAD quarterbacks. Run-first QBs make for ugly and boring games.

Let's see how many watch Alabama vs Ohio State/Clemson...ok? As ya know all those teams have black mobile QB's.

Who doesn't want to see Cowboys vs Seahawks, what do they have at QB?

Who did the voters see as the best college player in the nation....mobile black QB.

The game is changing little man, really it is. Remember when the talking about a black QB at Alabama would have got ya shot? Hell, any black at Alabama would have got ya shot, things change half pint, ok?

[Clipper Nation]

:lol at comparing college games to NFL games. Newsflash, dipshit: college defenses are way worse than the pros. Gimmick QBs can put up lots of exciting highlights against defenses full of guys who aren't likely to make it in the NFL. In the big leagues, gimmick QBs give us offenses that struggle to crack double-digit points against any team with a pulse and primetime games ending in ties.

[Kawhitstorm]

As usual, the black argument resorts to "muh dick muh dick muh dick"

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/735/920/933.png

http://www.whatsonxiamen.com/ent_images/3448_4.jpg

[Avante]

:lol at comparing college games to NFL games. Newsflash, dipshit: college defenses are way worse than the pros. Gimmick QBs can put up lots of exciting highlights against defenses full of guys who aren't likely to make it in the NFL. In the big leagues, gimmick QBs give us offenses that struggle to crack double-digit points against any team with a pulse and primetime games ending in ties.

NEWSFLASH

The NFL gets their QB's from the NCAA.

Dude, you cannot be this dense, wow~~~~

Russell Wilson has done more in his 4 seasons and 12 games than any QB in NFL history, you really can't figure this out? How many times does your dumbass need to see things?

wins
stats
playoff success
records

nobody did it better at this stage of a career, ok?

Sheesh~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Clipper Nation]

Every time I think you can't get any more retarded, you prove me wrong.

No shit, the NFL gets their players from the NCAA. That doesn't mean every college player is going to make it in the pros. College QBs pad their stats against defenses that typically have a few future NFL players (if any at all) and plenty of guys who will never get more than a cup of coffee in the NFL at the most. In the pros, these quarterbacks are going up against defenses full of guys who were the best, smartest, fastest and strongest defensive players on their teams in college. The best of the best, the cream of the crop. It's a much tougher challenge. The gimmicks that worked in college aren't going to work for long in the pros.

It's not hard to understand, but your feeble old retarded mind can't grasp it.

[Clipper Nation]

Since Crickets loves him some appeals to authority, I'd love to see how he explains away all the concerns from NFL executives and coaches about how little quarterbacks know about playing their own position coming out of college.


People around the league are already in panic mode over how many QB prospects can't even read a defense nowadays:


This year, according to separate interviews with dozens of NFL coaches and executives, something disturbing happened in these pre-draft quiz sessions. When asked the same basic questions, many quarterback prospects responded with something NFL insiders said they have never seen before: blank stares.

Detroit Lions offensive coordinator Joe Lombardi said the new crop of college quarterbacks were flummoxed by a simple question about an "under" front, one of the most common defensive alignments. "Whoa, no one's ever told me 'front' before," he remembers one prospect saying. "No one's ever talked to me about reading these defenses."

Buffalo Bills general manager Doug Whaley said he had the same results when he asked prospects a question about defenses shifting from a common scheme called "cover 2" to an equally mundane tactic called "cover 3." Hue Jackson, the offensive coordinator from the Bengals, said he had to dumb down his questions, while Indianapolis Colts offensive coordinator Pep Hamilton said some QBs failed to grasp things as basic as understanding a common play call. "You have to teach these kids the absolute basics," he said.

The knowledge base was so low, Buffalo's Whaley said, that it left him feeling "a little nervous about the long-term future of this game."



http://www.wsj.com/articles/why-the-nfl-has-a-quarterback-crisis-1441819454


Pretty soon, NFL games will be as boring as soccer games as nobody gets good enough quarterback play to score consistently against pro defenses.

[Avante]

Every time I think you can't get any more retarded, you prove me wrong.

No shit, the NFL gets their players from the NCAA. That doesn't mean every college player is going to make it in the pros. College QBs pad their stats against defenses that typically have a few future NFL players (if any at all) and plenty of guys who will never get more than a cup of coffee in the NFL at the most. In the pros, these quarterbacks are going up against defenses full of guys who were the best, smartest, fastest and strongest defensive players on their teams in college. The best of the best, the cream of the crop. It's a much tougher challenge. The gimmicks that worked in college aren't going to work for long in the pros.

It's not hard to understand, but your feeble old retarded mind can't grasp it.

That coming from a guy who thinks Derek Anderson is better than Cam Newton, and you wanna talk about a feeble mind? A guy who freaks out over things in.....THE FIRST QUARTER.....haha~~~ Freaks out after....three games into a season, hahaha~~~~~~~~~

Dude, we all get how it works, ok, so why explain it? Seen some football little guy, ok?

Then there's Russell Wilson, doing what? Talk about being retarded, you really don't see it guy, come on man stop acting fucking stupid. His competitors see it, the media sees it, guys like me who has seen everyone for over 50 years sees it.

Dude, YOU calling other retarded is fucking funny, ya know that?

[Avante]

Since Crickets loves him some appeals to authority, I'd love to see how he explains away all the concerns from NFL executives and coaches about how little quarterbacks know about playing their own position coming out of college.

Any grown man who calls other men Crickets really wants a serious response, hahahaha~~~~~~~

[manufan10]

http://i.imgur.com/k2RsLk7.gif

:lol

[Clipper Nation]

The era of the white QB is still here, tbh.

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