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Nbadan
09-19-2005, 02:21 AM
After Blocking the Bridge, Gretna Circles the Wagons
Long wary of next-door New Orleans, the town stands by its decision to bar the city's evacuees.
by Nicholas Riccardi


GRETNA, Louisiana - Little over a week after this mostly white suburb became a symbol of callousness for using armed officers to seal one of the last escape routes from New Orleans — trapping thousands of mostly black evacuees in the flooded city — the Gretna City Council passed a resolution supporting the police chief's move.

GRETNA POLICE BLOCKED FLEEING VICTIMS

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The Crescent City Connection bridges that cross the Mississippi River into downtown New Orleans, Thursday, Sept. 15, 2005. (AP Photo/Anja Niedringhaus)

"This wasn't just one man's decision," Mayor Ronnie C. Harris said Thursday. "The whole community backs it."

Three days after Hurricane Katrina hit, Gretna officers blocked the Mississippi River bridge that connects their city to New Orleans, exacerbating the sometimes troubled relationship with their neighbor. The blockade remained in place into the Labor Day weekend.

Gretna (pop. 17,500) is a feisty blue-collar city, two-thirds white, that prides itself on how quickly its police respond to 911 calls; it warily eyes its neighbor, a two-thirds black city (pop. about 500,000) that is also a perennial contender for the murder capital of the U.S.

Itself deprived of power, water and food for days after Katrina struck Aug. 29, Gretna suddenly became the destination for thousands of people fleeing New Orleans. The smaller town bused more than 5,000 of the newcomers to an impromptu food distribution center miles away. As New Orleans residents continued to spill into Gretna, tensions rose.

After someone set the local mall on fire Aug. 31, Gretna Police Chief Arthur S. Lawson Jr. proposed the blockade.

"I realized we couldn't continue, manpower-wise, fuel-wise," Lawson said Thursday. Armed Gretna police, helped by local sheriff's deputies and bridge police, turned hundreds of men, women and children back to New Orleans.

Gretna is not the only community that views New Orleans with distrust. Authorities in St. Bernard Parish, to the east, stacked cars to seal roads from the Crescent City. But Gretna's decision has become the symbol of the ultimate act of a bad neighbor, gaining notoriety partly from an account in the Socialist Worker newspaper by two San Francisco emergency workers and labor leaders who were in a crowd turned back by Gretna police.

Numerous angry e-mails to Gretna officials accuse them of racism. (Harris and Lawson are white.)

New Orleans Mayor C. Ray Nagin said Thursday that Gretna officials "will have to live" with their decision.

"We allowed people to cross ... because they were dying in the convention center," Nagin said. "We made a decision to protect people…. They made a decision to protect property."

Paul Ribaul, 37, a New Orleans TV-station engineer from Gretna, said New Orleans and the suburbs have a complicated relationship.

"We say we're from New Orleans, but we're a suburb," he said. "The reason we don't live there is we don't like the crime, the politics."

Ribaul was among Gretna residents who praised the decision to close the bridge. "It makes you feel safe to live in a city like that," he said.

Critics suspect a racial motive for the blockade. City officials heatedly deny any such thing.

Among black residents of Gretna, some say that although they get along with most of their white neighbors, a few of the neighbors harbor strong prejudices.

Some black Gretna residents also speak fearfully of New Orleans. "We don't have as much killing over here as in New Orleans," said Leslie Anne Williams, 42.

Nonetheless, Williams' mother, a lifelong Gretna resident who is also black, disapproved of the Police Department's decision. People fleeing New Orleans "probably had a better chance of survival over here," said Laura Williams, 70, "especially with all that shooting" across the river.

When Katrina hit, about 5,000 of Gretna's residents were still in town. Police zigzagged the trim streets of ranch houses and older wooden buildings, checking on those who had not evacuated.

Like New Orleans, Gretna lost power and water. Town officials pleaded unsuccessfully for help from the state and the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Then they learned that New Orleans officials had told the thousands trapped in that city's downtown, similarly deprived of food and water but also dodging gunfights and rising floodwaters, to cross to Gretna.

Not sure how to feed even their own residents, Gretna officials were overwhelmed by New Orleans' evacuees. They organized bus caravans Aug. 31 to take the arrivals to Metairie, 16 miles away, where a food and water distribution center had been set up.

The evacuees waited for rides out of Gretna at the foot of the bridge, across the street from Oakwood Mall. As the hours ticked by and the crowd swelled, trouble began, Gretna authorities said.

Sometime on Wednesday, Aug. 31, a fire broke out in the mall, next to the local branch of the sheriff's office, and police chased suspected looters out of the building.

Mayor Harris had had enough. He called the state police.

"I said: 'There will be bloodshed on the west bank if this continues,' " Harris recalled. " 'This is not Gretna. I am not going to give up our community!' "

The following morning, Gretna's police chief made his decision: Seal the bridge.

The San Francisco paramedics said in an interview and in their article that there were gunshots over the heads of people crossing the bridge from New Orleans' convention center — many of them elderly — where they were stuck for days without food, water and working toilets.

Nagin, New Orleans' mayor, said that he'd heard similar reports about gunfire, as well as people being turned back by guard dogs.

Chief Lawson said that he was unaware of any of his officers shooting over the heads of evacuees on the bridge but said that one black officer did fire a shot overhead to quiet an unruly crowd waiting to board a bus.

Harris said Thursday that closing the bridge was a tough decision but that he felt it was right.

"We didn't even have enough food here to feed our own residents," Harris said. "We took care of our folks. It's something we had to do."

Times staff writer James Rainey contributed to this report.

Common Dreams (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0916-01.htm)

Another Local/State conspiracy theory shot down in flames...

:hat

whottt
09-19-2005, 02:27 AM
Put the crackpipe down and explain how you shot anything down in flames...all you did was reinforce the power that city authorities have...and this incriminates the Governor even moreso by the way. She needed to intervene in this situation. And that still doesn't excuse the crappy shelter preparations by the City.

whottt
09-19-2005, 02:28 AM
Posted earlier by Whottt:

Amazingly...I am sitting here listening to Vice Admiral Thad Allen talk about how all he can do with Nagin is provide him the best council he can with regards to inviting citizens back...because it's Nagin's city and he has authority...Allen's words.



Anchor: Just to make this clear, the mayor has the authority over this right?

Head of FED Relief effort: it's his call to make. The Federal government is only acting in an advisory role.


Anything else dumbasses?

Nbadan
09-19-2005, 02:53 AM
Governor even moreso by the way. She needed to intervene in this situation.

If the Governor had taken charge, won't this have usurped the local official’s authority and proven your hypocrisy by your unwillingness to criticize the FEDS for not usurping the State?

When Federal authorities realized that this disaster was going to be too big for State/local resources, shouldn’t the FEDS automatically have stepped in? Isn’t this what Homeland Security and FEMA are all about? Why else would these organizations exist?

I also like how some Media critics and members of Republican Congress have bitten on the pass the blame to the State/Local hook, but the pundits never get to clearly spelling out what local and State officials did not do that would have been required by either State or Fed law. I guess it easier to just say things and expect them to be so ‘status quo’ that nobody ever calls them on it anymore.

Vashner
09-19-2005, 03:49 AM
It's that stupid law about active duty troops.. they need to take a look at it again.

Sounds like this little police department fucked up somewhat too...

Nbadan
09-19-2005, 03:56 AM
It's that stupid law about active duty troops.. they need to take a look at it again.

Wouldn't have too if the State had it's National Guard at times like this, but well, there is that little Iraq quagmire thingy.

Useruser666
09-19-2005, 08:16 AM
Dan has PROVEN it was local cops that stopped the people! Good job reinforcing everything being told to you. I thought this thread would have been about how FEMA people were blocking evacs across the bridge or pushing people into the water with bull dozers.

Hook Dem
09-19-2005, 08:46 AM
You would think by now that Dan would have lost his "tin foil hat". The crack pipe will be with him forever! :lol

xrayzebra
09-19-2005, 10:59 AM
Dan, you are only about three days late in posting this. Don't you read the
replies to your ramblings.

Re: 'Bodies By The Dozen' in New Orleans

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan




By Michael Perlstein
Staff writer



NOLA

My, I wonder why NOLA chose to bury this story in the back-pages? Perhaps they didn't want to let all the administration spin about the death toll in NO not being that bad go to waste?




Perhaps you would like to read ANOTHER reason the toll was higher than it should have been. Wonder how Bush got these folks to block the bridge?

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...ack=1&cset=true

I posted this article then with the link shown above. But how would you
know. You just talk and never read.

Vashner
09-19-2005, 12:00 PM
Wouldn't have too if the State had it's National Guard at times like this, but well, there is that little Iraq quagmire thingy.

Ok that's not true. There where plenty of troops available. She didn't activate them properly on time. The ones that showed up first where not even armed (which was fucking stupid).

CharlieMac
09-19-2005, 12:14 PM
Common Dreams?

Let me go grab some stuff from Newsmax......

Nbadan
09-19-2005, 12:48 PM
Common Dreams?

Let me go grab some stuff from Newsmax......

:rolleyes

Yeah, I forgot that some of you Bush Jihadists won't believe a word unless it comes from FAUX news, The Political Teen, or Drudge:


Police decision to close bridge justified, city says
Some call move racist; Gretna blames violence at mall for blockade


Little more than a week after this mostly white suburb became a symbol of callousness for using armed officers to seal one of the last escape routes from New Orleans — trapping thousands of mostly black evacuees in the flooded city — the Gretna City Council passed a resolution supporting the police chief's move.

"This wasn't just one man's decision," Mayor Ronnie Harris said last week.

"The whole community backs it."

Chronicle (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/special/05/katrina/3357471)

To be white, rich and a suburbanite means never having to say your sorry. Man, a real Attorney General would be all over this.

Vashner
09-19-2005, 02:19 PM
Hum if it's my life or a roadblock.. i'll walk up and punch and officer.. (they will have to give you protection, food and water after that cause you will be arrested).

Only if whatever was behind me was like death..

ChumpDumper
09-19-2005, 02:25 PM
Ah, they'd probably just shoot you then and say you were looting them.

Johnny Tightlips
09-19-2005, 02:32 PM
Who says I been lootin'?

Allan Rowe vs Wade
09-19-2005, 02:35 PM
If i were a looter, I'd loot a silvery chain.

Vashner
09-19-2005, 02:58 PM
I would rather be shot than let the undead get to me.. (night of living dead)...

Marcus Bryant
09-19-2005, 04:20 PM
So it was another municipality's force blocking them. Um, wow.

Useruser666
09-19-2005, 04:39 PM
The point is once again missed here. Was this blockaid by FEMA? Was it made up of anyone or anything that the federal government controlled? Did Bush order the people back? OMG!! Then what happened? A local group didn't want the people to evacuate to their area. Maybe they are assholes, maybe not. They claimed they couldn't care for the evac'ed people. I think that's BS from what little I've heard, but who knows for sure right now? I would have thought that dry land was better than no land. It's still totally and utterly ridiculous to argue that it wasn't a LOCAL officials call in this matter, when you yourself post that it was. Maybe it wasn't NO or state of LA locals, but it still was a local authority.

Nbadan
09-19-2005, 04:56 PM
The point is once again missed here. Was this blockaid by FEMA? Was it made up of anyone or anything that the federal government controlled? Did Bush order the people back? OMG!! Then what happened? A local group didn't want the people to evacuate to their area. Maybe they are assholes, maybe not. They claimed they couldn't care for the evac'ed people. I think that's BS from what little I've heard, but who knows for sure right now? I would have thought that dry land was better than no land. It's still totally and utterly ridiculous to argue that it wasn't a LOCAL officials call in this matter, when you yourself post that it was. Maybe it wasn't NO or state of LA locals, but it still was a local authority.

User has his panties all in a wad for nothing. I don't remember anyone reporting, nor argueing that it was the FEDS keeping people from leaving NO, but I do remember some people posting that it was the NO Police and/or the Louisiana State Police.

Spurminator
09-19-2005, 05:15 PM
Yeah, I forgot that some of you Bush Jihadists won't believe a word unless it comes from FAUX news, The Political Teen, or Drudge:

And when those sites are linked you question their validity just as much, if not more.

Perhaps we should all put our heads and antennae together and come up with a list of acceptable news sources for the Political Forum.

Useruser666
09-19-2005, 09:18 PM
User has his panties all in a wad for nothing. I don't remember anyone reporting, nor argueing that it was the FEDS keeping people from leaving NO, but I do remember some people posting that it was the NO Police and/or the Louisiana State Police.

Dan, are you nuts? Why did you post this thread? What was the purpose? You obviously seem to want to spin this as a story indicating that FEMA or some fed agency is involved in blocking people from escaping NO. When people in this forum have argued that it was the responsibility of the local authorities to help their own people, they weren't meaning just NO city or LA state officials. You post this like it was obviosly some sort of subversive act from Bush. You play connect the dots without any dots.