russia deploying missile cruiser. all weapons go 2 destroy any threat 2 russian units

[hater]

And just like that. Shit just got real

Nuclear capable cruiser deployed off coast of Syria. Permission granted to fire at will.

[hater]

Can't believe its Turkish scum who started the 3rd big one tbh

[Pelicans78]

Yeah from what I'm reading, Turkey could have shown more restraint. Unnecessary. Hopefully, this doesn't escalate into something catastrophic.

[hater]

Yeah. All evidencence points ino Turkish fighter jets ambushing the Russian bomber.keep in mid the Russian plane was a bomber with no air defense systems. Not to mention it was hit 2 miles into Syrian territory and crashed there.

Additionally all contact with Turkey has been suspended. And now every single Russian mission will be escorted by dog fighting capable aircraft.

Damn

[DMX7]

No nation state is stupid enough to fire a nuclear weapon.

[hater]

No nation state is stupid enough to fire a nuclear weapon.

That never stopped US and UK cruisers from parading their nukes all over the globe. The potential is always there

[pgardn]

Who was the idiot who ordered the Russian plane to probe an already desperate, shaky Turkey?

What a stupid Fckn move. You know Turkey is in show off mode so you go and get people killed, brilliant...

[Wild Cobra]

Russia should not have violated Turkish airspace.

Opinions aside, don't forget that the USSR downed a commercial airliner that wandered into their airspace.

[pgardn]

That never stopped US and UK cruisers from parading their nukes all over the globe. The potential is always there

Those cruisers have conventional missiles as well, numb nuts, that can and have been used.

[hater]

Russia should not have violated Turkish airspace.

Opinions aside, don't forget that the USSR downed a commercial airliner that wandered into their airspace.

R u talking about d Dutch plane? It's been proven the Ukranians did that tbqh

[hater]

Those cruisers have conventional missiles as well, numb nuts, that can and have been used.

No really Einstein? Where di I deny that?

[Wild Cobra]

R u talking about d Dutch plane? It's been proven the Ukranians did that tbqh

Do you know the difference between Russia and the USSR?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007

[pgardn]

No really Einstein? Where di I deny that?

So why did you not reply accordingly to the nuke statement fruitbat?
Kinda like I did to your salad.

[RandomGuy]

Yeah from what I'm reading, Turkey could have shown more restraint. Unnecessary. Hopefully, this doesn't escalate into something catastrophic.

I agree.

[pgardn]

R u talking about d Dutch plane? It's been proven the Ukranians did that tbqh

No.

Its not tbqh. It's false. Per usual from you and RT.

[hater]

So why did you not reply accordingly to the nuke statement fruitbat?
Kinda like I did to your salad.

I said nuclear capable shit for brains. Lol

[pgardn]

I said nuclear capable shit for brains. Lol

No shit.
SO WHAT?

Thats not why they are there.

[hater]

No shit.
SO WHAT?

Thats not why they are there.

What's not? Who said they were birdbrain?

[SnakeBoy]

Damn pgardn, I know it's Thanksgiving week but you don't have get so upset trying to defend Turkey.

[pgardn]

What's not? Who said they were birdbrain?

What does it imply when you write nuclear capable dipsquat?

Shits about to get real... You and your hype ala CNN and FOX, the news sources you claim to disregard, you mimic...

Get off it.

[hater]

Damn pgardn, I know it's Thanksgiving week but you don't have get so upset trying to defend Turkey.

:lmao

[pgardn]

Damn pgardn, I know it's Thanksgiving week but you don't have get so upset trying to defend Turkey.

Im not defending them.

Im saying it's stupid to pretend like they are Finland or Norway and you can just send subs or planes into their territory. They got a show off as a leader who is in political trouble. So it's stupid to let him pretend like his country is being harshly violated.

Get it?

[pgardn]

:lmao

Excellent retort per usual.

[pgardn]

Damn pgardn, I know it's Thanksgiving week but you don't have get so upset trying to defend Turkey.

And spursforsix is the acknowledged master of the Turkey jokes. So please...

[hater]

:lol not getting the turkey joke the first time around :lol

[SnakeBoy]

Im not defending them.

Im saying it's stupid to pretend like they are Finland or Norway and you can just send subs or planes into their territory. They got a show off as a leader who is in political trouble. So it's stupid to let him pretend like his country is being harshly violated.

Get it?

What makes you think Putin wasn't trying to provoke exactly what happened? Do you think it is just coincidence that it just happened to be an obsolete cold war relic that Putin sent into Turkish air space?

Turkey should have shown restraint.

[pgardn]

:lol not getting the turkey joke :lol

I did not edit my post loquat.

I added that the Turkey jokes were already in full swing.
See the post titles below this one.

[pgardn]

What makes you think Putin wasn't trying to provoke exactly what happened? Do you think it is just coincidence that it just happened to be an obsolete cold war relic that Putin sent into Turkish air space?

Turkey should have shown restraint.

Thats actually a very good point.
Which I thought seemed far fetched seeing that there was some agreement as to who the real enemies are in this conflict.

[SnakeBoy]

Thats actually a very good point.
Which I thought seemed far fetched seeing that there was some agreement as to who the real enemies are in this conflict.

Who do you think the real enemies are in this conflict?

[pgardn]

Who do you think the real enemies are in this conflict?

ISIS, Various rebel factions fighting Assad aligned with Al Q, and Assad and cronies.

Then the enablers: Iran, Saudi Arabia (and the other Sunni Alignment) At the heart of all this is the Sunni/Shiite conflict.

Who do you think the enemy is/are?

[spurraider21]

No nation state is stupid enough to fire a nuclear weapon.
america already did

[spurraider21]

russia just goin in to avenge their fellow soviet armenians, tbh

[SnakeBoy]

ISIS, Various rebel factions fighting Assad aligned with Al Q, and Assad and cronies.


lol that's pretty much everyone fighting in Syria. Well not counting those 4 moderate guys we trained.

I don't think Putin would agree with you on who the real enemies are. You do know that Russia is playing an entirely different game than we are...right?

[hater]

Leaked UN letter from Turkey to UN: The Russian jet entered Turkish airspace for a total of 17 seconds.

[hater]

So let me get this straight. They claim they warned the plane 10 times in a span of 5 minutes. Yet the Russian plane was only there 17 seconds???

[pgardn]

lol that's pretty much everyone fighting in Syria. Well not counting those 4 moderate guys we trained.

I don't think Putin would agree with you on who the real enemies are. You do know that Russia is playing an entirely different game than we are...right?

Uhhh... Did I not say this is mostly a Sunni//Shiite problem? Now look at the list again.
Im glad Putin would not agree with me.

Russia is playing a game of trying to get back into the international community minus sanctions. They want Ukraine and forgotten. They also want a bigger role in the ME and their bases safe.

Whats your take?

[DMX7]

america already did

Clearly, I'm talking about present day.

[hater]

Reuters: US Official: The Russian plane was shot down while flying over Syria

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSKBN0TE04M20151125

[pgardn]

Reuters: US Official: The Russian plane was shot down while flying over Syria

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSKBN0TE04M20151125

Did the plane enter Turkish airspace?

[hater]

As someone said the rescue helicopter was hit by an American supplied TOW missile. By the same guys that shit and killed the parachuting ejected pilot.

"moderate rebels" alright :lol

[hater]

Did the plane enter Turkish airspace?

Depends who you ask. Russia says no, Turkey says yes. Regardless, a plane that was flying on Syrian airspace with its back turned and no air to air weapons possessed zero threat to Turkey.

Cold blooded murder.

[in2deep]

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[in2deep]

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[in2deep]

And just like that. Shit just got real

Nuclear capable cruiser deployed off coast of Syria. Permission granted to fire at will.

seems like it

The Moskva cruiser, stationed in Latakia as part of the military buildup, is a 11,500-ton, 186-meter warship serving as part of the Russian Black Sea fleet. In addition to anti-ship missiles, anti-submarine mortars and torpedoes, it has 64 Fort missiles, the naval version of the S-300 long-range air defense system. The missiles can engage targets at a range of up to 150km, which is enough to cover all of southern Turkey from Latakia.
In response to the incident, the Russian military in Syria has ramped up security. All Russian bombers will now be accompanied by fighter jets to protect them from possible aggression. Russia also warned that it would destroy any aircraft threatening Russian forces deployed in the Middle Eastern country.

[in2deep]

damn

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[in2deep]

http://spartanecho.org/2015/11/25/the-latest-russian-strikes-pound-syrian-rebels-near-turkey/

Syrian rebels say Russian forces are pounding insurgent-held areas in Syria’s Latakia province, unleashing a wave of airstrikes on mountains near where a Russian jet was shot down the previous day.
Jahed Ahmad, a spokesman for a rebel brigade in the region affiliated with the Free Syrian Army, says the Russians appear to be taking “revenge” for the plane’s downing by Turkey, a key backer of the rebels in the area.
Speaking from inside Syria via Skype on Wednesday, he says the Russian jets were providing cover for advancing Syrian ground forces and their Lebanese Hezbollah allies.
Syrian TV also reported advances by Syrian forces in Lattakia province Wednesday.

[RandomGuy]

Damn pgardn, I know it's Thanksgiving week but you don't have get so upset trying to defend Turkey.

Ok... props, I get it. :tu

[RandomGuy]

As someone said the rescue helicopter was hit by an American supplied TOW missile. By the same guys that shit and killed the parachuting ejected pilot.

"moderate rebels" alright :lol

Sooooo... the "moderate rebels" are supposed to NOT shoot at the planes bombing them? Fucktard.

[in2deep]

Sooooo... the "moderate rebels" are supposed to NOT shoot at the planes bombing them? Fucktard.

it was a helicopter on a rescue mission, not a bomber.

and did you totally ignore where he said they shot at a parachutist on purpose? I believe that's a war crime.

[in2deep]

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[hater]

it was a helicopter on a rescue mission, not a bomber.

and did you totally ignore where he said they shot at a parachutist on purpose? I believe that's a war crime.

:lmao ignore the poor guy, he's delusional :lol


I'm a Fucktard.

[hater]

your "moderate rebels" ladies and gentlemen:

D5g60o_O08U

[hater]

d5N0vzcuYNM

tDFql8eE0TA

[pgardn]

your "moderate rebels" ladies and gentlemen:

D5g60o_O08U

They are considered moderate because they are largely Engaged against ISIS. When they get bombed by Russian planes you expect they will be nice to the pilots of the country that has been bombing them.

[hater]

They are considered moderate because they are largely Engaged against ISIS. When they get bombed by Russian planes you expect they will be nice to the pilots of the country that has been bombing them.

Attacking people parachuting from an aircraft in distress is a war crime under Protocol I in addition to the 1949 Geneva Conventions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_parachutists

what makes these savages different from ISIS then?

[pgardn]

So let me get this straight. They claim they warned the plane 10 times in a span of 5 minutes. Yet the Russian plane was only there 17 seconds???

We will let you get this wrong. They were warned BEFORE they entered the airspace. There have already been numerous incursions by Russian planes into Turkish airspace before this. Putin sacrifices his pilots hands to see if the animal bites... And it does.

[pgardn]

Attacking people parachuting from an aircraft in distress is a war crime under Protocol I in addition to the 1949 Geneva Conventions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_parachutists

what makes these savages different from ISIS then?

They kill people that attack them directly. They don't bomb young people who don't even know who ISIS is in Paris. Pretty bad guys though. Hardened by war will get you there, unlike Assad who sits unscathed randomly dropping barrel bombs.

An Assad apologist trying to use moral edicts to discredit brutal rebels, that funny. Yet it's not.

[hater]

We will let you get this wrong. They were warned BEFORE they entered the airspace. There have already been numerous incursions by Russian planes into Turkish airspace before this. Putin sacrifices his pilots hands to see if the animal bites... And it does.

Except surviving Russian navigator already denied this. Another case of he said/she said.

[hater]

They kill people that attack them directly. They don't bomb young people who don't even know who ISIS is in Paris. Pretty bad guys though. Hardened by war will get you there, unlike Assad who sits unscathed randomly dropping barrel bombs.

An Assad apologist trying to use moral edicts to discredit warriors, that funny. Yet it's not.

So before Paris, there was no difference between ISIS and these savages?

a terrorist apologist trying to use Paris incidents to credit their mercenaries. that funny. Yet it's not.

[in2deep]

Attacking people parachuting from an aircraft in distress is a war crime under Protocol I in addition to the 1949 Geneva Conventions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_parachutists

what makes these savages different from ISIS then?


agree completely. We can't call them a "moderate" free syrian army if .they are committing attrocities in the light of day

I am beginnning to realize this "moderate" rebel is a manufactured fantasy.

[pgardn]

Except surviving Russian navigator already denied this. Another case of he said/she said.

I will go with the Turkish guys on this. They say they have all the locations and warnings given and will allow any investigation.

And of of course I will definitely take my internet sources over your RT news.

[hater]

agree completely. We can't call them a "moderate" free syrian army if .they are committing attrocities in the light of day

I am beginnning to realize this "moderate" rebel is a manufactured fantasy.

I'm glad someone sees the truth. :tu

[in2deep]

your "moderate rebels" ladies and gentlemen:

D5g60o_O08U

this... is disgusting

[hater]

Already, German and Czech officials are expressing surprise at Turkey's action -- taken after the Russian plane was inside Turkish airspace for 30 seconds or less, according to U.S. calculations.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/25/europe/nato-putin-turkey-syria-analysis/

[pgardn]

So before Paris, there was no difference between ISIS and these savages?

a terrorist apologist trying to use Paris incidents to credit their mercenaries. that funny. Yet it's not.

Oh, now it's before Paris.
Paris happened bud. And before that there were bombings claimed in other places.
Your problem is you try to rank really bad people and then go with people like Assad, who you think is some sort of noble kitty cat. News flash, they all are bad. You pick the bad that suits your distorted preconceived notions.

[hater]

Oh, now it's before Paris.
Paris happened bud. And before that there were bombings claimed in other places.
Your problem is you try to rank really bad people and then go with people like Assad, who you think is some sort of noble kitty cat. News flash, they all are bad. You pick the bad that suits your distorted preconceived notions.

apologizing for jihadists commiting attrocities in the light of day.

hope your parents are proud.

[pgardn]

Already, German and Czech officials are expressing surprise at Turkey's action -- taken after the Russian plane was inside Turkish airspace for 30 seconds or less, according to U.S. calculations.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/25/europe/nato-putin-turkey-syria-analysis/

You are citing a news agency you believe is a mouthpiece of the CIA?

Of course NATO nations are pissed at Turkey, they went rogue. Now there is less chance for any cooperation. I am not defending Turkey, I am giving you the facts of the entire incident at its current state. And the larger concerns such drastic actions might cause. You want it to be simple, well it's not.

The amount of time is insignificant in this game Airforces play. The game is Putin's "let's keep prodding this rabid dog to see if it bites"

[pgardn]

apologizing for jihadists commiting attrocities in the light of day.

hope your parents are proud.

Attempting to inflict guilt while being an Assad hugger.
Seriously?

[pgardn]

this... is disgusting

Where have you been?

You think this is "spin the goat"?

[cheguevara]

They kill people that attack them directly. They don't bomb young people who don't even know who ISIS is in Paris. Pretty bad guys though. Hardened by war will get you there, unlike Assad who sits unscathed randomly dropping barrel bombs.


Um, you do know Turkmen fight side-by-side with Al Nusra right?

"The two pilots found themselves in territory which the government of President Assad has been fighting over against the Free Syrian Army, that is, Turkmen militia fighting side-by-side the al-Nusra front."

http://neurope.eu/article/second-russian-pilot-safe/

do you know who al-Nusra Front is?

[cheguevara]

Note that the Russian plane was downed right on the proposed NO FLY ZONE:
http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/3CB6/production/_84524551_syria_turkey_kurds_624map.png

This is no coincidence. Turkey Air Force is already escorting the incursion of thousands of jihadists trained and armed by the US through that area.

Make no mistake about it. This was no accident. Yesterday was just the beginning of the implementation of the No Fly Zone. Turkmen + Al Nusra (Al Qaeda) which equates to the Free Syrian Army is planning to take over that region and they are already testing the Russians in the area.

I would not be surprised to hear that US will start flying their planes closer to the area, to "de-conflict" and "stabilize". that will be just a front to start taking over the airspace. I will not be surprised if we see a few dogfights between Russians and US/Turkish jets in the coming weeks or at least a barrage of Anti Aircraft Missiles from both sides. Russia might have the upper hand in this as they have installed s400 systems, the most advanced air defense in the world. But obviously US planes are superior.

If the West is successful with this, they will start filling that No Fly Zone with civilians and basically use them as human shields, while using that zone as a corridor to send in thousands of jihadists straight to the heart of Assad's territory.

Make no mistake about it, the battle for the No Fly Zone has started.

[DMX7]

F-22, a stealth fighter, is supposedly able to handle the s400. Nothing else is though.

[cheguevara]

F-22, a stealth fighter, is supposedly able to handle the s400. Nothing else is though.

Sure. If the US goes all in front and center, I don't think Russia has a chance.

But the US is still trying to accomplish this out of the spotlight. Which is very difficult as they are months behind the Russians. They are basically building a Free Syrian Army on steroids and will escort them to some extent. US is basically putting all their jihadists in one basket so to say...

Will that be enough to break the Russian will? So far nothing has even made a dent on it.

[cheguevara]

just as I type that, here we go:

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Turkey will not be using those for "defensive" purposes. they will be used to pave the way for the No Fly Zone

[Ghazi]

marg bar Trkey

[pgardn]

Um, you do know Turkmen fight side-by-side with Al Nusra right?

"The two pilots found themselves in territory which the government of President Assad has been fighting over against the Free Syrian Army, that is, Turkmen militia fighting side-by-side the al-Nusra front."

http://neurope.eu/article/second-russian-pilot-safe/

do you know who al-Nusra Front is?

A lot of rebel groups are fighting with loosely affiliated Al Q groups. Then when they have no more enemy, they turn on each other. You think this is some sort of blood bond between all these groups?

[pgardn]

Note that the Russian plane was downed right on the proposed NO FLY ZONE:
http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/3CB6/production/_84524551_syria_turkey_kurds_624map.png

This is no coincidence. Turkey Air Force is already escorting the incursion of thousands of jihadists trained and armed by the US through that area.

Make no mistake about it. This was no accident. Yesterday was just the beginning of the implementation of the No Fly Zone. Turkmen + Al Nusra (Al Qaeda) which equates to the Free Syrian Army is planning to take over that region and they are already testing the Russians in the area.

I would not be surprised to hear that US will start flying their planes closer to the area, to "de-conflict" and "stabilize". that will be just a front to start taking over the airspace. I will not be surprised if we see a few dogfights between Russians and US/Turkish jets in the coming weeks or at least a barrage of Anti Aircraft Missiles from both sides. Russia might have the upper hand in this as they have installed s400 systems, the most advanced air defense in the world. But obviously US planes are superior.

If the West is successful with this, they will start filling that No Fly Zone with civilians and basically use them as human shields, while using that zone as a corridor to send in thousands of jihadists straight to the heart of Assad's territory.

Make no mistake about it, the battle for the No Fly Zone has started.

Nope.

Bolded False.

[pgardn]

just as I type that, here we go:

669570595919671296

Turkey will not be using those for "defensive" purposes. they will be used to pave the way for the No Fly Zone

The Turkish situation is much more complicated than the above.
Much more...

What group has by far and away bore the brunt of the Turkish military action in this region?

[cheguevara]

A lot of rebel groups are fighting with loosely affiliated Al Q groups. Then when they have no more enemy, they turn on each other. You think this is some sort of blood bond between all these groups?

So you are ok with supporting al-Nusra (Al Qaeda)?

[pgardn]

So you are ok with supporting al-Nusra (Al Qaeda)?

Where did I state this?

Who bears the brunt of current Turkish military aggression?

[cheguevara]

Where did I state this?


you stated this. of the "moderate" rebels:

They kill people that attack them directly. They don't bomb young people who don't even know who ISIS is in Paris. Pretty bad guys though.

yet according to EU Belgian news:


"The two pilots found themselves in territory which the government of President Assad has been fighting over against the Free Syrian Army, that is, Turkmen militia fighting side-by-side the al-Nusra front."

http://neurope.eu/article/second-russian-pilot-safe/

Logical fallacy. You despise ISIS because they bomb innocent people, yet you seem to be ok with "moderate" rebels which also bomb innocent people. (Al Qaeda)

[DJR210]

Russia deploying several anti-air vehicles to the area per their defense ministers Twitter (:lol modern war) feed

Sucks. WW3 is probably gonna go down sooner than I thought.. This shit is gonna spill over into the South China Sea and shits really gonna hit the fan. At least we're in the hole however many trillions having spent a bulk of that on defense.

[pgardn]

you stated this. of the "moderate" rebels:


yet according to EU Belgian news:


Logical fallacy. You despise ISIS because they bomb innocent people, yet you seem to be ok with "moderate" rebels which also bomb innocent people. (Al Qaeda)

Again, quit putting words in my posts.

And Again, what do you expect from a group like this that has been bombed by the Russians, you expect them to send the UN a letter protesting? They think the pilots are a gift from God for them to slaughter.

You are exactly like quite a few on this site. You rank the evil in people who don't regard life as sacred. And then side with the perceived least evil.. Hater is an Assad apologist because he opposes Al Q rebels, like this somehow makes Assad a good guy... When Assad is a murdering dictator... And you try to point to my logical fallacies. Give it a break.
Did you expect the Russians to be treated humanely because they are NOT US citizens?

The Free Syrian army is given different definitions of composition depending on who has a case to make them bad or good guys. At best they are a mish mash of many different groups opposed to Assad, some of which the US decided to arm.

[pgardn]

So Che, who have the Turkish put by far the most effort in fighting? Answer this please.

[angrydude]

Oh, now it's before Paris.
Paris happened bud. And before that there were bombings claimed in other places.
Your problem is you try to rank really bad people and then go with people like Assad, who you think is some sort of noble kitty cat. News flash, they all are bad. You pick the bad that suits your distorted preconceived notions.

Um no. You don't pick any side and you stay out of it.

[pgardn]

Um no. You don't pick any side and you stay out of it.

Thank you Rand.

[hater]

F-22, a stealth fighter, is supposedly able to handle the s400. Nothing else is though.

http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/1028361065.png

[RandomGuy]

They are considered moderate because they are largely Engaged against ISIS. When they get bombed by Russian planes you expect they will be nice to the pilots of the country that has been bombing them.

I would not expect that no, although outright execution is something that should still be strongly condemned.

[RandomGuy]

it was a helicopter on a rescue mission, not a bomber.

and did you totally ignore where he said they shot at a parachutist on purpose? I believe that's a war crime.

I think that shooting at a parachuting pilot is a war crime. Shouldn't happen.

Can't fault the ground forces for shooting at a helicopter though. I doubt the Russians coordinated with the people they were bombing to let them know a rescue mission was underway.

Shooting at helicopters that aren't identified as friendly, is not quite a war crime, c'est va?

[boutons_deux]

"I think that shooting at a parachuting pilot is a war crime"

why? parachuting from a bomb-dropping, shooting war plane, and very definitely side-armed, he/she is a combatant

[pgardn]

I would not expect that no, although outright execution is something that should still be strongly condemned.

My point is that this is not a group that is going to follow the rules of engagement that the UN expects.

[hater]

The Pentagon plans to send a special operations intelligence and strike force of between 100 and 150 troops to Iraq to conduct raids on Islamic State targets in Iraq and Syria, a senior Defense official told USA TODAY Tuesday.

Carter was quoted as saying this is "in full cooperation of the government of Iraq"

not so fast....

Iraqi prime minister Haider al-Abadi has rejected the need for foreign troops to fight Islamic State after the United States said it was deploying a special operations force to conduct raids, free hostages, capture IS leaders and carry out "unilateral operations" in Syria.

"We do not need foreign ground combat forces on Iraqi land," Mr Abadi said in a statement.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-02/us-to-deploy-special-force-expand-fight-against-islamic-state/6992618



:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao Ash Carter :lol

what a fucking clown :lol

[hater]

:lol let me get this straight. Kerry/Carter have been kicked out of Syria by Putin and now kicked out of Iraq by Haider al-Abadi :lol

:lol what an embarrassment

[boutons_deux]

could be hundreds of US military, and $Bs more wasted, into the Repug quagmire

Obama Sends Special Operations Forces to Help Fight ISIS in Syria

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/31/world/obama-will-send-forces-to-syria-to-help-fight-the-islamic-state.html

[in2deep]

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looks like Pandora's box has been opened. Bombing Syria won't do anything to ISIS. They can easily move operations between Lybia, Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria.

Interestingly these are the 4 countries destabilized by the West...

[in2deep]

oh and forgot about Yemen. 5 countries bombed by West/Arab allies.

[boutons_deux]

672108732491431937

looks like Pandora's box has been opened. Bombing Syria won't do anything to ISIS. They can easily move operations between Lybia, Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria.

Interestingly these are the 4 countries destabilized by the West...

ISIS needs to hold territory to be a legitimate, credible caliphate for recruiting suckers. The West will keep chasing them, eg, bombing them in Libya, etc.

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'ISIS made me clean the toilets... and my iPod didn't work': How disenchanted Islamic fanatics are returning home because jihad isn't as glamorous as they hoped

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2855780/Indian-IS-recruit-goes-home-having-clean-toilets.html


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ISIS Defectors Reveal Disillusionment


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/europe/isis-defectors-reveal-disillusionment.html

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Does ISIS Have a Cash Flow Problem?


http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/10/24/where_does_isis_get_its_money_and_how_much_does_it _have_left.html

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It looks like ISIS is as fraudulent as capitalism

[RandomGuy]

My point is that this is not a group that is going to follow the rules of engagement that the UN expects.

No, it will not.

What I find somewhat ironic is that the Turks are protecting Turkoman minorities in Syria, much like what Russia says its interests are in Ukraine. Russia seems to find this motivation inconvenient when others do it.

[hater]

oh and forgot about Yemen. 5 countries bombed by West/Arab allies.

that's correct. that's 5 out of 5 for the West/NATO.

of the 5 countries they have claimed to have spread democracy to, 5 are now host bases for ISIS and Al Qaeda


:lol

[hater]

Spinning their wheels in Syria: US Air Force has been returning to base with unused bombs and missiles

http://www.sott.net/article/307637-Spinning-their-wheels-in-Syria-US-Air-Force-has-been-returning-to-base-with-unused-bombs-and-missles

The American bombing campaign, for what it's worth, has been focused on Syrian civilian and Syrian military infrastructure.

For instance, as Russian forces dropped bombs and missiles on top of ISIS fighters all across Syria, lobbing cruise missiles from the Caspian, regular sortie missions, and combat helicopter attacks against ISIS and other "relatively moderate" cannibals and terrorists, the United States launched a bombing mission of its own against two power plants in Aleppo.

The power plants were located in al-Rudwaniya east of Aleppo and resulted in power outages affecting the Syrian people, adding to the American tradition of bombing civilian infrastructure instead of ISIS and other terrorist targets in Syria.

Yet the targeting of Syrian civilian infrastructure is not the only reason that American bombs have avoided ISIS. Simply put, the U.S. Air Force is refusing to actually target ISIS to begin with and are returning to base with their missiles and bombs intact or having intentionally missed the target altogether.

This information, which had been reported in the past but is now being reported more and more in the open along with increasing confirmation, indicates that U.S Air Force pilots have only been using about 25% of their ordnance on targets in Syria (including the infrastructure targets actually being bombed).

U.S. Air Force pilots who have returned from bombing raids in Syria are reporting that they are being forced to return back to base with around 75% of their ordnance because they are unable to get clearance to actually launch the strikes.

The head of the Russian Parliament's International Affairs Committee, Alexei Pushkov, wrote that the United States actually spent an entire year bombing nothing but the desert as opposed to any ISIS targets.


:lmao

[boutons_deux]

Sarah Palin offers hilariously vague plan to stop ISIS: ‘Quit being namby-pamby’ and stop them!"


http://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Sarah_Palin_Facebook-800x430.png

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/sarah-palin-offers-hilariously-vague-plan-to-stop-isis-quit-being-namby-pamby-and-stop-them/

[FuzzyLumpkins]

RISE THE PROLETARIAT!!!!

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Well since hater is going for Russia that means we are a lock to beat them!

[FuzzyLumpkins]

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looks like Pandora's box has been opened. Bombing Syria won't do anything to ISIS. They can easily move operations between Lybia, Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria.

Interestingly these are the 4 countries destabilized by the West...

You say it's easy then we look at a map and think about the reality that is air and sea travel.

[hater]

Well since hater is going for Russia that means we are a lock to beat them!

Going for anyone that goes after the terrorists. IMO

[hater]

You say it's easy then we look at a map and think about the reality that is air and sea travel.

most of the armament and mercenaries arrived in Syria from Libya. Oh they can move about alright. How did they even get to Yemen, if Saudi allegedly has blockaded and established a "no fly zone" for months

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Going for anyone that goes after the terrorists. IMO

:lol IMO

[hater]

:lol IMO

:lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

most of the armament and mercenaries arrived in Syria from Libya. Oh they can move about alright. How did they even get to Yemen, if Saudi allegedly has blockaded and established a "no fly zone" for months

They may have started there seeing that was the jihadi hotspot before Syria but there is a geographical reality.

Syria is up on a plateau that you come off of to get into the Euphrates river valley. To the west is the mediterranean and again there is the reality of ship travel given the current environment. How many navies you think are in the eastern med?

To the south is Damascus , the golan Heights then Israel. That leaves the north and Turkey. The fighters have been matriculating in through there for a long time but it has to be piecemeal and clandestine and now that the Turks are pissed and no longer cowed they are beginning to intercept a whole lot of shit and jihadis.

They can communicate anywhere in the world but they cannot logistically run an empire like that with what they are up against.

[hater]

You have at least a half dozen different countries supplying armaments and moving men between Syria/Iraq/Yemen/Lybia/Sudan/Afghanistan. You also have mass migrations of hundreds of thousands going every which way.

Do you really think there is a central organization that can control all that movement? It's a clusterfuck where no one nation knows all the movement that is going on and no one nation cares. Via air, water or land.

there are rumors that Saudi and Qatar lease commercial airlines to move men around the countries. Again, it's a clusterfuck. ISIS with their billions of dollars in their coffers can easily transit through that mess.

[hater]

hell all ISIS gotta do is walk over the Turkish border and they can go anywhere in the world :lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You have at least a half dozen different countries supplying armaments and moving men between Syria/Iraq/Yemen/Lybia/Sudan/Afghanistan. You also have mass migrations of hundreds of thousands going every which way.

Do you really think there is a central organization that can control all that movement? It's a clusterfuck where no one nation knows all the movement that is going on and no one nation cares. Via air, water or land.

there are rumors that Saudi and Qatar lease commercial airlines to move men around the countries. Again, it's a clusterfuck. ISIS with their billions of dollars in their coffers can easily transit through that mess.

Sure and I cannot even begin to imagine the logistical flow that would be required two geographically isolated locations like that. It would be like us and puerto rico I guess or something akin to that. If they need food supplies in Libya what are they going to do? Put 1000 different pallets and camel/dinghy them all out? Commercial flights and freighters are all going to be scoured over.

[MultiTroll]

Sarah Palin offers hilariously vague plan to stop ISIS: ‘Quit being namby-pamby’ and stop them!"


http://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Sarah_Palin_Facebook-800x430.png

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/sarah-palin-offers-hilariously-vague-plan-to-stop-isis-quit-being-namby-pamby-and-stop-them/


To think that RePugs supported her to the tune of Vice President in running.
Can only imagine if McCain would have won, had to step down and Bimbo is running the country? :lmao

[pgardn]

No, it will not.

What I find somewhat ironic is that the Turks are protecting Turkoman minorities in Syria, much like what Russia says its interests are in Ukraine. Russia seems to find this motivation inconvenient when others do it.

Turkey is unstable. The E man is trying to show off and deflecting deep political concerns. Putin does the same thing, you think he would understand Turkey is in a risk taking stage.

[RandomGuy]

Turkey is unstable. The E man is trying to show off and deflecting deep political concerns. Putin does the same thing, you think he would understand Turkey is in a risk taking stage.


Göring: Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.

Sadly more true than one might care to admit.

[hater]

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[hater]

Sure and I cannot even begin to imagine the logistical flow that would be required two geographically isolated locations like that. It would be like us and puerto rico I guess or something akin to that. If they need food supplies in Libya what are they going to do? Put 1000 different pallets and camel/dinghy them all out? Commercial flights and freighters are all going to be scoured over.

Food supplies? I am sure ISIS can get food from the locals. No need to ship. The only thing they require shipping is men and weapons. That is already happening all over. Then you have the oil and drugs to supply each autonomous ISIS region with $$$.

Not sure why u think shipment of men/weapons/oil and drugs is being controlled by NATO or some other country. That is not happning

[hater]

Latest news: Turkey establishes base in Iraq and sends hundreds of men and dozens of tanks. US establishes air base in the northwest end of Syria. Just far enough from Russian s400 range. Iraq and Syria both protest US and Turkish boots on the ground in their territories. Iran starts escorting Russian bombers with their own aircraft.

Something big is brewing.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Food supplies? I am sure ISIS can get food from the locals. No need to ship. The only thing they require shipping is men and weapons. That is already happening all over. Then you have the oil and drugs to supply each autonomous ISIS region with $$$.

Not sure why u think shipment of men/weapons/oil and drugs is being controlled by NATO or some other country. That is not happning

:lol

The Turks don't have control of their border. Still no link. So we can discount your stuff about organized convoys and train yards sanctioned by the Turks or with the goods going to their refineries/pipelines.

while Putin is out visiting Syria to try and show people not to be afraid to travel, NATO has several divisions doing movements in Vilnius and up and down the Baltic coast. They sell tour packages that go from Warsaw to Vilnius to St Petersburg and on into Moscow. Doesn't take a week. You can sabre rattle for Russia all you like but this isn't the 1960s

We're coordinating with the former Iron Curtain who want to remain free from Russian occupation. Russia would risk losing their capital to conventional warfare rather quickly if it comes to that. Would Putin nuke our troops do you think?

[hater]

Stopped reading at turks don't have control of their border. Of course they do

[Winehole23]

9D7sPNlpbsMhttp://stubhillnews.com/2015/12/02/putin2016/

[hater]

"... the Russians have come up with an unknown technology that is capable of shutting down our aicraft, our ships our troops on the ground, they can knock out all communications. we have no idea what this is... this is a super weapon"

"They used it when they first flew their first sortie, they announced 1 hour ahead of time for their sortie and then they shut down all the communications systems of the US and Israel. Aint nobody understand what happened."

scary shit

[boutons_deux]

Russia is in a really bad financial disaster with the world price of oil so low (will be worsened if Europe can get gas elsewhere), repeating the financial/industrial/military collapse of USSR in 1980s (St Ronnie didn't do shit).

Hyping Russia as some kind of world power threatening the oppressive, murderous American planetary empire is MIC propaganda to increase MIC sucking $100Bs more in taxpayer wealth.

[in2deep]

black box found. :wow things might get interesting....

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[hater]

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[boutons_deux]

What no one wants to admit about fighting ISIS: the US has only bad choices

Once ISIS is wiped off the map it will go underground, becoming "just" a terror and insurgent group. The world faced exactly this before: ISIS was once called al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), and it fought a years-long terror campaign in mid-2000s Iraq. AQI was defeated by three things, which would need to be repeated in both Iraq and, eventually, Syria:


A 24/7 campaign of raids to capture or kill AQI officers
The Iraqi government convincing Sunni Arabs they were better off opposing AQI
Sunni Arab tribal leaders rising up to fight the terror group they'd previously tolerated or even welcomed


There is a terrible irony to this —

the American invasion of Iraq caused, perhaps more than any other single event, the rise of al-Qaeda in Iraq, and thus the rise of ISIS.

But defeating AQI was only possible because of that massive American occupation force.

It's a debate between two bad choices.

Either the US can try to defeat ISIS entirely but chance making the problem worse, throwing itself into high-risk, high-reward policies knowing they could work but could also backfire catastrophically.

Or the US can accept that the risks are not worth the costs and focus on minimizing and managing ISIS's threats, even if that means accepting that ISIS will survive in some form for many years, and that periodic attacks will be part of this.

No one wants to admit that's what America's ISIS debate is really about, because acknowledging the limits of our power is just not in the American vocabulary, especially in the middle of a presidential campaign when both parties are promising the moon.

Our political and media system is just not built to honestly discuss a problem that is, at least in some ways, lose-lose. But that is the problem we face with ISIS, whether we admit it to ourselves or not.

http://www.vox.com/2015/12/8/9872118/isis-america

Thanks, Repugs

[boutons_deux]

Syria conflict: Number of foreign fighters 'doubled in 16 months'

The number of foreign fighters in Syria has gone up from 12,000 to at least 27,000 since June 2014, according to a new report by a security consultancy.

The report says the average rate of returnees to Western countries is now at about 20-30%.

They say that the largest single group of foreign fighters is Tunisians, numbering some 6,000.

The second-largest is from Saudi Arabia, which the report puts at about 2,500, followed by Russia (2,400), Turkey (2,100) and Jordan (2,000).

About 5,000 fighters come from EU countries, with some European countries contributing a "disproportionate percentage".

The report cites official figures indicating that about 1,800 individuals had left France to join the fighting, with 760 each from the UK and Germany, and 470 from Belgium.

Based on these estimates, more than 3,700 of the EU fighter contingent come from just four countries.

However, the authors say recruitment from North America has remained largely flat and that "recruitment within the Americas has been mostly reliant on social media, particularly in the initial phases of the process".

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35043939

[cheguevara]

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[pgardn]

Wow.

Amazing...

[hater]

good shit

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[TDMVPDPOY]

why is eu, nato or america/allies going bail out turkey if they are the ones who provoke/pre-emptive strike russia first?

whats in it for everyone to bail out these clowns?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

why is eu, nato or america/allies going bail out turkey if they are the ones who provoke/pre-emptive strike russia first?

whats in it for everyone to bail out these clowns?

Because now Russia is deploying on multiple fronts. They still have to garrison the north because NATO troops are in Warsaw and Vilnius. He has to prop up his proxy in eastern Ukraine. He's sending troops into Syria and now he has to contend with a hostile force just southwest of his holdings west of the Caspian sea.

Meanwhile gas is still under $2 here and similarly depressed around the world. He's cut off trade with NATO countries. China is playing switzerland to this point. Putin is surrounded from the north west and south. It's soviet-era containment strategy.

[hater]

actually Russia sanctions are proven not to be working. Both France and Italy are reconsidering extending sanctions:

Renzi blocks smooth extension of Russia sanctions
Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi on Thursday stayed firm on blocking a planned extension of the EU’s economic sanctions against Russia, forcing EU governments to discuss the issue at a much higher level next week.

Sanctions were set to be extended on Wednesday, but that did not happen after the Italian government instructed its ambassador to raise objections during a closed-door meeting of EU countries’ delegates, which was supposed to approve the extension without much political noise.
http://www.politico.eu/article/renzi-blocks-extension-russia-sanctions/

Russia is pretty self sufficient and Saudi Arabia, Iran and others would go bankrupt due to low oil price long before Russia

[hater]

why is eu, nato or america/allies going bail out turkey if they are the ones who provoke/pre-emptive strike russia first?

whats in it for everyone to bail out these clowns?

NATO is like a facebook friend group these days. It would be an embarrassment of high proportions to see their member Turkey get bukkaked by Russia. This is why NATO would go all in before such an embarrassment.

Stupid as it sounds, NATO would rather support ISIS than see themselves getting embarrassed by a superpower

[pgardn]

actually Russia sanctions are proven not to be working. Both France and Italy are reconsidering extending sanctions:

Renzi blocks smooth extension of Russia sanctions
Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi on Thursday stayed firm on blocking a planned extension of the EU’s economic sanctions against Russia, forcing EU governments to discuss the issue at a much higher level next week.

Sanctions were set to be extended on Wednesday, but that did not happen after the Italian government instructed its ambassador to raise objections during a closed-door meeting of EU countries’ delegates, which was supposed to approve the extension without much political noise.
http://www.politico.eu/article/renzi-blocks-extension-russia-sanctions/

Russia is pretty self sufficient and Saudi Arabia, Iran and others would go bankrupt due to low oil price long before Russia

Sure they are self sufficient if you don't mind eating beets and drinking aftershave. Russia cannot stay on its current path.

More farmland than any other country and they net import wheat. Russia is the poster child of inefficiency and corruption.
Natural resources abound and they can't get it right, what a mess of a country.

[boutons_deux]

Islamic State oil trade 'worth more than $500m'
The so-called Islamic State (IS) has made more than $500m (£330m) trading oil, a US treasury official has said.

Its "primary customer" has been the government of Syria's President Bashar al-Assad, despite its ongoing battle to overthrow the regime, Adam Szubin told the BBC.

IS had also looted up to $1bn from banks in territory it held, he said.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35070204

[hater]

How ISIS Oil Flows Through Turkey And Israel On Its Way To Europe

However, recent reports suggest that the oil flows to Europe and Asia through a complex process that implicates allies of the United States like Turkey and Israel.

am Simpson and Matthew Philips, writing in November for Bloomberg Businessweek, called recent U.S. attacks on oil trucks an attempt by the Obama administration to “quietly” fix a “colossal miscalculation.”

On Nov. 26, Al-Araby Al-Jadeed, a London-based media outlet focusing on the Arabic world, published a detailed investigation tracing Daesh’s oil from the massive oilfields in Iraq and Syria to refineries in Israel, where it’s ultimately exported to Europe.

“IS oil production in Syria is focused on the Conoco and al-Taim oil fields, west and northwest of Deir Ezzor, while in Iraq the group uses al-Najma and al-Qayara fields near Mosul. A number of smaller fields in both Iraq and Syria are used by the group for local energy needs.

According to estimates based on the number of oil tankers that leave Iraq, in addition to al-Araby’s sources in the Turkish town of Sirnak on the border with Iraq, through which smuggled oil transits, IS is producing an average of 30,000 barrels a day from the Iraqi and Syrian oil fields it controls.”

“After [Daesh] oil lorries arrive in Zakho – normally 70 to 100 of them at a time – they are met by oil smuggling mafias, a mix of Syrian and Iraqi Kurds, in addition to some Turks and Iranians,” the colonel continued.”

“According to a European official at an international oil company who met with al-Araby in a Gulf capital, Israel refines the oil only ‘once or twice’ because it does not have advanced refineries. It exports the oil to Mediterranean countries – where the oil “gains a semi-legitimate status” – for $30 to $35 a barrel.”

“Bilal Erdoğan who owns several maritime companies, had allegedly signed contracts with European operating companies to carry Iraqi stolen oil to different Asian countries. Turkish government unwittingly supports ISIS by buying Iraqi plundered oil which is being produced from the Iraqi sized oil wells. Bilal Erdoğan’s maritime companies own special wharfs in Beirut and Ceyhan ports transporting [Daesh]’s smuggled crude oil in Japan-bound oil tankers.”

http://www.mintpressnews.com/211910-2/211910/

[pgardn]

Islamic State oil trade 'worth more than $500m'


The so-called Islamic State (IS) has made more than $500m (£330m) trading oil, a US treasury official has said.

Its "primary customer" has been the government of Syria's President Bashar al-Assad, despite its ongoing battle to overthrow the regime, Adam Szubin told the BBC.

IS had also looted up to $1bn from banks in territory it held, he said.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35070204


Assad is not the major point of emphasis of ISIS right now. There are many more easier targets of value and other places to retake. Also infiltrating other countries that are weak and rebuilding in places that have been smashed by France and the West.

Anyways, interesting stuff and not the least bit surprising. Hater is gonna have to make up some new angles of love with Assad.

[SnakeBoy]

http://stubhillnews.com/2015/12/02/putin2016/

weak. Stick to the Onion.