Game Thread: Spurs vs Mavs -- Wed. (11/25) - 7:30PM CST (3:30AM Riga Time)

[Kawhitstorm]

Let Dirk shoot his 2s.........Manu don't fuckin' foul:lol

[SPURt]

Cold blooded

[Fireball]

Kawhi is over 40 minutes ...

[steeledl]

lol NBA Finals for Carslile tbh. Dude is hurt.

[FkLA]

Kawhigod ignored all quarter and still calmly bails the team out. :worthy:

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

Just need 1!

[TheDoctor]

What a shot by Kawhi.

[DPG21920]

Yeesh - a ton of confusion on defense there.

[Kawhitstorm]

get a stop and it's over

Put Kyle/Butler in for the Dirk switch.

[apalisoc_9]

Kawhigod ignored all quarter and still calmly bails the team out. :worthy:

[Ron Swanson]

Hit these, Manu

[ElNono]

Manu icing this shit, per par

[ElNono]

Manu icing this shit, per par

[steeledl]

Niger KA is the new human victory cigar.

[ElNono]

Gino padding in the last seconds :lmao

[GSH]

Okay, I gotta say. This was the most enjoyable thread I've been on here in a long time. Lots of good takes, and minus a lot of the BS. Thanks all.


BTW - did Pop get that jacket from Sager?

[spurraider21]

good to win a game where Green/Manu/Mills combine for 5-28 shooting

[loveforthegame]

WTF Manu.

[kaji157]

Lol Dallas run the same play that Carter nailed with Manu on him in our last series.

Again on Manu, again well defended, different result.

[DPG21920]

Manu, come on

[lefty20]

Those legs are dead. Manu's short on everything.

[Kawhitstorm]

Harris/Barea out:toast

[TXstbobcat]

:flag:

[Silver&Black]

not at all, he's my 3rd favorite after timmy and manu. awesome to see him emerge :tu

Enriquetard :lmao

:wakeup

[BatManu20]

Jesus Manu with the t-Rex arms free throws. No legs

[ducks]

Leonard 17-39 from last 3threes

[ElNono]

Defense won this game, tbh... I'll take the W

[TXstbobcat]

Always great to beat the mavs!!! :toast

[spursistan]

Manu tired as fuck..bricking 3 straight FTs

[steeledl]

Sucks that we are the second best team in the league but still gonna get crusher by the Warriors. Team is on another fucking level. One of the greatest teams in NBA history.

[dabom]

Gino padding in the last seconds :lmao
:lol

[Fireball]

again ... Pop, please do not take Manu to Denver with the team ...

SPURS WIN!!!!

[Robz4000]

Good shit by Kawhi, Tony, and LMA tonight.

[sasaint]

Kawhi is over 40 minutes ...

Yeah, I am not liking the effort we are having to exert to amass a good record against competition that is mediocre at best.

[TDfan2007]

Hideous game outside of Kawhi and Tony stepping up. I'll take the W though

[Kawhitstorm]

Rockets lost:toast

[BillMc]

Victory!!!:flag:

[kaji157]

It doesn´t matter if it´s for an inch or a mile, winning is winning.

[SpurPadre]

With the late missed free throws, Manu completes his Game 6-like performance. We might have lost this if Barea didn't get hurt.

[Kawhitstorm]

Hideous game outside of Kawhi and Tony stepping up. I'll take the W though

LMA/D-West also played well

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[RD2191]

Good win. Parker and Kawhi clutch in the end.

[Silver&Black]

Spurs win 88-83

:flag:

http://i.imgur.com/ShQpbVO.png

[ElNono]

tbh, we have ugly wins like this every season, even when we rang... not sure why Spursfan acts surprised...

[SAGirl]

Looking forward to your game grades Cry Havoc

Spurs Win, in a hard fought game.

Kawhi/Tony/LMA made plays at every step to keep us in this game.

Kawhi superstar showed up clutch to save us.

Bad game for our bench.

Maybe Pop needs to give a real chance to Anderson and stop the shenanigans already when he wants a stretch 4... but I understand Pop-- the process and what not. He has to know whether he can count on Butler in real games as a stretch 4 or not, etc.

:flag:

[DarrinS]

Good shit by Kawhi, Tony, and LMA tonight.

[sasaint]

Sucks that we are the second best team in the league but still gonna get crusher by the Warriors. Team is on another fucking level. One of the greatest teams in NBA history.

I am afraid you are right. They play on another level, and they don't let up. When they should win big, they win big.

[DarrinS]

It's like a 2005 W

[RD2191]

It doesn´t matter if it´s for an inch or a mile, winning is winning.
Granny shifting not double clutching like you should. You're lucky that 100 shot of nos didn't blow the welds on the intake.

[Kawhitstorm]

Good win. Parker and Kawhi clutch in the end.

That should quite the haters on both camps for the holidays:lol

[Silver&Black]

Good shit by Kawhi, Tony, and LMA tonight.

:tu

[sasaint]

Hideous game outside of Kawhi and Tony stepping up. I'll take the W though

No. LMA looked much better, and DWest was clutch.

[Silver&Black]

That should quite the haters on both camps for the holidays:lol

Good luck with that....:lol

[SAGirl]

tbh, we have ugly wins like this every season, even when we rang... not sure why Spursfan acts surprised...
Easily could have been a loss. I thought Carlisle outcoached Pop in this one.

Pop just won bc his superstars showed up in this game.

But its a win, and I am sure Pop got whatever he wanted to learn in this game.

I have to admire how steady he is sometimes when it seems to us fans that he's crazy. lol He has his reasons I guess.

[TheDoctor]

3 straight FT misses by Manu of course.

Nice effort by TP and Kawhi keeps rollin'.

Next game Friday at Denver!

[mclinejr]

I am afraid you are right. They play on another level, and they don't let up. When they should win big, they win big.

One game at a time, Spurs fans.

[DarrinS]

GSW kick our ass at this point, but I know it's a work in progress.

[SpurPadre]

Yeah, I am not liking the effort we are having to exert to amass a good record against competition that is mediocre at best.

Mavs aren't bad, especially considering how Jordan flaked on them in the off-season. Probably the best team we've beaten so far this season.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

tbh, we have ugly wins like this every season, even when we rang... not sure why Spursfan acts surprised...
We've had quite a handful this season, it's not 2014 where we won every game 117 – 101 or something like that.

[sasaint]

Granny shifting not double clutching like you should. You're lucky that 100 shot of nos didn't blow the welds on the intake.

Sounded like my '48 Jeep not my '69 Firebird 400!

[Mnky]

What situation would that be for Manu?

Healthy.

[siraulo23]

Weird game, 1st half i thought the offense looked as smooth as it can get this early season, 2nd half is a different story. Thank god, the defense was there the whole game and dallas coming off a back to back definitely helped. Some timely shooting from tp, kawhi and aldridge and the spurs win. I'll take it

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Cavs lost :toast

[Kawhitstorm]

Bad game for our bench.

D-West kept them afloat in the 3rd quarter when Manu was playing like a drunken monkey.


Maybe Pop needs to give a real chance to Anderson and stop the shenanigans already when he wants a stretch 4... but I understand Pop-- the process and what not. He has to know whether he can count on Butler in real games as a stretch 4 or not, etc.

At the moment Kyle might be a better stretch 4 than Butler who is mired in a slump. Butler is a more mobile defender though:lol

:flag:[/QUOTE]

[sasaint]

Mavs aren't bad, especially considering how Jordan flaked on them in the off-season. Probably the best team we've beaten so far this season.

Mediocre/Not bad - pretty much the same. But they are the best team, with the best coach, we have played.

[Mnky]

Tbh, our offense doesn't look "horrible" we are getting looks...we just can't hit anything. Never seen this team miss so many open shots and bunnies like this one has.

I'd like to believe its just a phase..

[ElNono]

We've had quite a handful this season, it's not 2014 where we won every game 117 – 101 or something like that.

Even that year, we ended up really kicking into gear around January-February... early in the season with Pop playing with the rotations is always shaky...

[DarrinS]

KL just fills the stat box, night after night. Deserved max.

[ElNono]

Mavs have shown to be a pretty solid team, tbh... aren't they like 4th-5th in the West?

[Lostwingman]

Manu tired as fuck..bricking 3 straight FTs

Yea...we're gonna have 4 games in 3 days starting Friday so I don't know why he was in 29 minutes.

[DarrinS]

Props to D.West, btw

[sasaint]

Weird game, 1st half i thought the offense looked as smooth as it can get this early season, 2nd half is a different story. Thank god, the defense was there the whole game and dallas coming off a back to back definitely helped. Some timely shooting from tp, kawhi and aldridge and the spurs win. I'll take it

True story, and losing JJ really hurt them, too. Hope he is okay. Gutty performer, thorn in our side.

[FaM0us Skins]

:flag:

[SAGirl]

Kawhi 40 mins and Manu 28.

:pop:

Maybe TD21 is right and we need a better 4th wing.


It won't matter bc Pop would bench him at the slightest thing and play Butler anyways.
:lol

[timtonymanu]

tbh, we have ugly wins like this every season, even when we rang... not sure why Spursfan acts surprised...

Enduring the horrible regular season they had last year was much worse than how this has turned out so far.

[ElNono]

Yea...we're gonna have 4 games in 3 days starting Friday so I don't know why he was in 29 minutes.

he's probably not playing back to backs anymore

[SpurPadre]

Mediocre/Not bad - pretty much the same. But they are the best team, with the best coach, we have played.

Well, I'll aggregate my qualification of them and say they are a good team, then. Barring injury, they will be in the playoffs as a low seed.

[Kawhitstorm]

3 straight FT misses by Manu of course.

Nice effort by TP and Kawhi keeps rollin'.

Next game Friday at Denver!

That would be a good game to rest Manu/Tim (let them stay in SA) & roll w/ Kyle/D-West now that LMA is back in the line up. I believe Faried might also be out so it shouldn't be high risk.

[bic50]

KL just fills the stat box, night after night. Deserved max.

:bobo

[ElNono]

Kawhi 40 mins and Manu 28.

:pop:

Maybe TD21 is right and we need a better 4th wing.


It won't matter bc Pop would bench him at the slightest thing and play Butler anyways.
:lol

You need to start getting the idea that Anderson and Butler are basically on the same ground... and Pop will use them sporadically, based on what the matchup of the night is...

[timtonymanu]

Also didn't see the game but expected a close, ugly game like it. Just keep winning.

[SAGirl]

True story, and losing JJ really hurt them, too. Hope he is okay. Gutty performer, thorn in our side.
Hope JJ is ok too. I am not one to wish any athlete harm. He competes hard every game. To be so short, guy has guts. We were lucky this game, not only they lost JJ, but they were on a B2B and have their share of old dudes and injuries...

[bic50]

Great game from TP and aldridge. Great to see them starting to come together.

[SpurPadre]

As bad as Manu was tonight, it was still better than Kobe last night. :lol

[siraulo23]

^ 12-3 tbh. Could easily be 13-2 and they still got a long way to go offensively :tu

[sasaint]

I
Looking forward to your game grades Cry Havoc

Spurs Win, in a hard fought game.

Kawhi/Tony/LMA made plays at every step to keep us in this game.

Kawhi superstar showed up clutch to save us.

Bad game for our bench.

Maybe Pop needs to give a real chance to Anderson and stop the shenanigans already when he wants a stretch 4... but I understand Pop-- the process and what not. He has to know whether he can count on Butler in real games as a stretch 4 or not, etc.

:flag:

You are leaving out DWest.

[loveforthegame]

KL just fills the stat box, night after night. Deserved max.

He's been unreal this season. :tu

[ElNono]

Patty was awful too.. he couldn't buy a basket... there's going to be games like this... it's great that we have the defense that we have

[SAGirl]

You need to start getting the idea that Anderson and Butler are basically on the same ground... and Pop will use them sporadically, based on what the matchup of the night is...lol
I will probably not let up on Pop bc he tends to make me crazy with some decisions. Not just this, this game its this, but he's had his share of decision blunders.
Allow me to vent.
:lol

[Kawhitstorm]

Kawhi 40 mins and Manu 28.

:pop:

Maybe TD21 is right and we need a better 4th wing.


It won't matter bc Pop would bench him at the slightest thing and play Butler anyways.
:lol

The issue right now is that Danny is averaging almost the same minutes as Tony/Tim which is unacceptable. He should be playing north of 30 minutes once he gets it together.

[ceperez]

Tbh, our offense doesn't look "horrible" we are getting looks...we just can't hit anything. Never seen this team miss so many open shots and bunnies like this one has.

I'd like to believe its just a phase..

Dallas offense looked better, they had a lot of layups! Something is wrong with the Spurs in that the layups just don't seem to be available.

[DarrinS]

Have a great thanksgiving everyone. I love you (no homo).

[DPG21920]

Granny shifting not double clutching like you should. You're lucky that 100 shot of nos didn't blow the welds on the intake.

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[sasaint]

Healthy.

:lol Agreed.

[kaji157]

For sure Manu is not playing next game, and probably neither Tim.

Diaw on the other side should be ready to play as he was Nowhere to be Found today.

Also Green rested a lot.

[SAGirl]

Patty was awful too.. he couldn't buy a basket... there's going to be games like this... it's great that we have the defense that we have
I would not have mind to see Ray.

I actually was hoping we would have Ray at some point. He possibly also has no chemistry and rhythm.

[ElNono]

lol
I will probably not let up on Pop bc he tends to make me crazy with some decisions. Not just this, this game its this, but he's had his share of decision blunders.
Allow me to vent.
:lol

:lol I'm letting you vent, my comment was actually for your own wellbeing in the long run...

They obviously like Kyle, but his role might not expand until next season... it's a process, as they say

[Kawhitstorm]

Patty was awful too.. he couldn't buy a basket... there's going to be games like this... it's great that we have the defense that we have

Thank god for the throw back defense :lol

[RD2191]

http://imagesmtv-a.akamaihd.net/uri/mgid:file:http:shared:mtv.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/tumblr_inline_msb9mrhmD11qz4rgp-1428004220.gif
:lol

[SAGirl]

Dallas offense looked better, they had a lot of layups! Something is wrong with the Spurs in that the layups just don't seem to be available.
Agree, this is what I mean by Pop being outcoached as well. There is no reason for this. This Dallas team has less chemistry than us, and more guys that are new and less talent allegedly, and injuries.
sheesh.

Its a win, but it feels like a defeat.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Even that year, we ended up really kicking into gear around January-February... early in the season with Pop playing with the rotations is always shaky...
But with one 16–0 team already three games ahead of us, and a 4-loss team hot on our heels, we can't afford to do mad scientist mode early this year. This isn't the NFC East or something.

[sasaint]

Well, I'll aggregate my qualification of them and say they are a good team, then. Barring injury, they will be in the playoffs as a low seed.

Yes, Carlisle will get them in - maybe a higher seed than anybody expected in pre-season, judging by the performance of the Rockettes and Clipjobs so far.

[ElNono]

But with one 16–0 team already three games ahead of us, and a 4-loss team hot on our heels, we can't afford to do mad scientist mode early this year. This isn't the NFC East or something.

We don't have a choice. Too many new guys that need to integrate, because our old guys are really old. Frankly, this start is waaaaay better than I thought it would be.

[DarrinS]

Q: could Boban be turned into a serious player this season?

[UNT Eagles 2016]

We don't have a choice. Too many new guys that need to integrate, because our old guys are really old. Frankly, this start is waaaaay better than I thought it would be.
Even with such a soft starting SoS? Just wait until they get to the Warriors, Clippers, Rockets games etc... last year they only had to play GSW/OKC/LAC each 3 times.

[kaji157]

Dallas offense looked better, they had a lot of layups! Something is wrong with the Spurs in that the layups just don't seem to be available.

It is still an offense with no spacing, so no way for cutters or movement in general. Very stagnant.

That´s why Manu changes our way of play so much, he moves a lot without the ball, and opens options for other to either pass him in advantage situations (our only lyup on the last 3 minutes) or someone else to create it.

Tony used to do this a lot, i think for this kind of SL, the loop should be used a lot more for initiating the offense, that way mismatches are created early, increasing the chances of ball movement starting off that.

Also from today, i liked a play where LA converted on a long 2 also clutch, Tony and Manu shared a couple of passes away from the basket and then Tony called up on the screener, it seemed like either LA or Tim got confused so both came to put the screen, Tim on the left and LA on the right.

Tony used Tim´s screen and advanced left, Tim´s and Tony´s man trapped Tony, LA´s man went with Tim who was rolling, Tony beat the trap and threads the pass to LA for the open Jumper.

Really nice play that if the defense chooses to contest the Jumper, leaves you either with the roller or the handler to penetrate or shoot. Also the possibility of kickout or etcetera.

[DarrinS]

We don't have a choice. Too many new guys that need to integrate, because our old guys are really old. Frankly, this start is waaaaay better than I thought it would be.

[DarrinS]

We are beating teams when Danny, Manu, and Patty are ice cold.

Future is bright, tbh

[SAGirl]

:lol I'm letting you vent, my comment was actually for your own wellbeing in the long run...

They obviously like Kyle, but his role might not expand until next season... it's a process, as they say
Yes, I am frustrated by that and maybe have been more noisy about that specifically, but its not just that. I don't think we should be playing Kawhi 40 mins to win games like this and Manu 28 when he was struggling. I think 28 is too much for Manu, and if Kawhi gets injured on us, what are we doing then if Pop won't play his backups? Seriously I am thinking TD21 was right on this all along maybe.

I understand Pop sticking to Manu when he is super hot and has it going on, and he has saved the SL which has lacked an offensive flow, but that was not the case here. Manu was off and he struggled. He didn't need to play 28 minutes.

If anything, this is a show of distrust for Danny I think, specially concerning closing out the game. That has nothing to do with Anderson whatsoever.

I am upset that Pop just didn't make any adjustments through this game, when Carlisle was running circles around us.

In the end it matters not, Pop stuck to his guns and we won. It was a game we could have easily lost, but didn't. It feels better than the Wiz game. But the Wiz game, we lost because players didn't execute well.

This had the feeling of a game where players executed, but Pop didn't make adjustments and just let them figure it out (or not)

[steeledl]

Kawhi 40 mins and Manu 28.

:pop:

Maybe TD21 is right and we need a better 4th wing.


It won't matter bc Pop would bench him at the slightest thing and play Butler anyways.
:lol

Been saying this tbh... glad you are coming around. Hopefully a tanking team will give us some trade deadline charity.

[SAGirl]

We are beating teams when Danny, Manu, and Patty are ice cold.

Future is bright, tbh
:flag:

[sasaint]

Thank god for the throw back defense :lol

This is shaping up as a Back to the Future season.

[ElNono]

Even with such a soft starting SoS? Just wait until they get to the Warriors, Clippers, Rockets games etc... last year they only had to play GSW/OKC/LAC each 3 times.

The good news is that the rest of the league doesn't seem to be much better than us, except for the Warriors.

In that sense, we should be able to remain competitive as we get better.

[DarrinS]

I'm astonished by the Spurs start, tbh. With all the new faces, I thought we'd be a .50 club at this point. Just wait until that chemistry kicks in early next year, tbh.

[SAGirl]

Stubborn Pop not playing Kyle against midgets:downspin:
I am cooled down now.

I guess its the tough road for Kyle.

In the end will make him better.

I do think it shows Pop cares a whole lot about his development, that he's not letting him get away with 1 thing, 1 mistake.

He has to be perfect.

If that doesn't sap his confidence, I think we have us a player for the future after all.

Cheers Kawhitstorm! :bobo
Happy Thanksgiving all.
Getting in a merry mood already.
Spurs win.
:flag:

[DarrinS]

Love that D.West is contributing. Solid, solid, player.

[ElNono]

Yes, I am frustrated by that and maybe have been more noisy about that specifically, but its not just that. I don't think we should be playing Kawhi 40 mins to win games like this and Manu 28 when he was struggling. I think 28 is too much for Manu, and if Kawhi gets injured on us, what are we doing then if Pop won't play his backups? Seriously I am thinking TD21 was right on this all along maybe.

I understand Pop sticking to Manu when he is super hot and has it going on, and he has saved the SL which has lacked an offensive flow, but that was not the case here. Manu was off and he struggled. He didn't need to play 28 minutes.

If anything, this is a show of distrust for Danny I think, specially concerning closing out the game. That has nothing to do with Anderson whatsoever.

Of course he trusts Manu, Tony and Tim to close out games more than anybody else. That shouldn't be surprising at all after a decade of these guys. Pop really doesn't care if Manu is hot or cold or playing well or not, he knows that he can execute when the game is on the line. He's not going to get nervous, he's going to play defense, etc. Same with Tim and Tony.

Manu played a few more minutes tonight because it was a damn close game in the last 5 mins, and so Pop wanted experienced people out there. I wouldn't read too much into it. If we're up 20, he probably plays just 17-20 mins...

It might not be fair, but it shouldn't be surprising with Pop at the helm...

[sasaint]

Yes, I am frustrated by that and maybe have been more noisy about that specifically, but its not just that. I don't think we should be playing Kawhi 40 mins to win games like this and Manu 28 when he was struggling. I think 28 is too much for Manu, and if Kawhi gets injured on us, what are we doing then if Pop won't play his backups? Seriously I am thinking TD21 was right on this all along maybe.

I understand Pop sticking to Manu when he is super hot and has it going on, and he has saved the SL which has lacked an offensive flow, but that was not the case here. Manu was off and he struggled. He didn't need to play 28 minutes.

If anything, this is a show of distrust for Danny I think, specially concerning closing out the game. That has nothing to do with Anderson whatsoever.

I am upset that Pop just didn't make any adjustments through this game, when Carlisle was running circles around us.

In the end it matters not, Pop stuck to his guns and we won. It was a game we could have easily lost, but didn't. It feels better than the Wiz game. But the Wiz game, we lost because players didn't execute well.

This had the feeling of a game where players executed, but Pop didn't make adjustments and just let them figure it out (or not)

SAGirl, I am all in on your rant. World of difference between playing a hot Manu 21 minutes and a dead Manu 28. Lunacy. Pop seemed to be in reactive mode all night, never putting a lineup on the floor to force Carlisle's hand. Plus, he didn't even react well! Shoot, with a 12 point lead put in Boban and just feed him every time. See what happens for a couple of minutes. May get Zaza or Javale into foul trouble and give LMA and Timmy more latitude when they re-enter. Anything would have been a better game plan than the one Pop apparently didn't have.

[pgardn]

Love that D.West is contributing. Solid, solid, player.


Finally.

I was getting worried as problems were not going to be fixed by his mobility.
David really needs to understand situations to be his most effective.

Thats a couple of solid games now. Keep it going.

[ElNono]

I am cooled down now.

I guess its the tough road for Kyle.

In the end will make him better.

This. Pop will push him, and see how he responds... he did it with Tony, Manu and a whole lot of players... Kyle will be fine.

[pgardn]

Of course he trusts Manu, Tony and Tim to close out games more than anybody else. That shouldn't be surprising at all after a decade of these guys. Pop really doesn't care if Manu is hot or cold or playing well or not, he knows that he can execute when the game is on the line. He's not going to get nervous, he's going to play defense, etc. Same with Tim and Tony.

Manu played a few more minutes tonight because it was a damn close game in the last 5 mins, and so Pop wanted experienced people out there. I wouldn't read too much into it. If we're up 20, he probably plays just 17-20 mins...

It might not be fair, but it shouldn't be surprising with Pop at the helm...

Nailed.

[Kawhitstorm]

This is shaping up as a Back to the Future season.

I was looking at the number yesterday & they are similar to 98-99 on both ends. Even Kawhi is performing at the same level as Tim.:toast

If you guys remember Tim wasn't the clear cut #1 in 97-98 & that was clear in the series against the Jazz where the Spurs could have won if Tim went for his instead of differing to Admiral (along w/ a healthy ******). In 98-99 he made it clear that it was his team just like Kawhi is doing this season. People were also saying the Spurs wouldn't win w/ Avery like folks are now saying w/ Tony.

D-West also reminds me of Elie who was the offseason acquisition in the summer of 98.

[steeledl]

I am cooled down now.

I guess its the tough road for Kyle.

In the end will make him better.

I do think it shows Pop cares a whole lot about his development, that he's not letting him get away with 1 thing, 1 mistake.

He has to be perfect.

If that doesn't sap his confidence, I think we have us a player for the future after all.

Cheers Kawhitstorm! :bobo
Happy Thanksgiving all.
Getting in a merry mood already.
Spurs win.
:flag:


Just when I thought you were coming around you shit the bed.

[Arcadian]

On your television?


It does online but not on the tv broadcast

It also lets you choose on PS4, Xbox, and mobile. So I guess the only version that doesn't let you choose is if you order from a cable TV provider. I'd never tried it that way.

[ElNono]

Also, Pop knows he's playing against probably the 2nd best coach in the league... Rick is very good in finding weak spots, so much more of a reason to roll with the older/experienced guys in crunch time.

[sasaint]

I was looking at the number yesterday & they are similar to 98-99 on both ends. Even Kawhi is performing at the same level as Tim.:toast

Be just like Pop to revert to pounding the ball into the low post and relying on grinding defense just when the whole league falls in love with small ball.

[sasaint]

I was looking at the number yesterday & they are similar to 98-99 on both ends. Even Kawhi is performing at the same level as Tim.:toast If you guy remember Tim wasn't the clear cut #1 in 97-98 & that was clear in the series against the Jazz where the Spurs could have won if Tim went for his instead of differing to Admiral. In 98-99 he made it clear that it was his team just like Kawhi is doing this season. People were also saying the Spurs wouldn't win w/ Avery like folks are now saying w/ Tony.

D-West also reminds me of Elie who was the offseason acquisition in the summer of 98.

If memory serves me, '99 worked out okay. :toast

[SAGirl]

Q: could Boban be turned into a serious player this season?
I wish. I kind of expected more playtime for him and the rest of the project players we have early this season.

But the experiments have been with the main guys, lineups, the SL struggling, guys getting amplified roles (I think Danny and Patty making plays off the dribble is by design), and well the low scoring games and tight games, we have not had enough experiements with the bench.

i thought both Simmons and Boban played well last game. Boban is prone to TO though, but Pop needs to play him at least 6 mins 3 mins here and 3 there. We probably don't want TD on B2B either. I am not sure.

Boban is on a 1 year contract though. I would think you need to play him some through the season, not only to evaluate if you want to resign him, but to be able to value his contract accordingly.

[Kawhitstorm]

Be just like Pop to revert to pounding the ball into the low post and relying on grinding defense just when the whole league falls in love with small ball.

Let's not forget that the Bulls were basically the original small-ball team to win a championship w/ Kukoc at the 4 & Rodman at the 5 along w/ Jordan/Pippen/Harper & Pop started none other than Will Perdue at small forward:lmao (****** was injured) along w/ Tim/Robinson in the 98 postseason. So he has been trying to defeat championship smallball w/ size.:lol

****** being injured in 98 is the equivalent of Tiago's injury this past postseason as it cost them the Jazz series & a shot at going up against the Bulls:bang.

[SAGirl]

Want to take a pause to thank all for chatting about this stuff.
Whether we want to crush each others opinions or not, its nice for me to hear what other fans as passionate as me think about these things.

Its a hobby of sorts!

Have all a happy holidays if you celebrate them, and if you don't cheers anyways.

[sasaint]

Let's not forget that the Bulls were basically the original small-ball team to win a championship w/ Kukoc at the 4 & Rodman at the 5 along w/ Jordan/Pippen/Harper & Pop started none other than Will Perdue at small forward:lmao (****** was injured) along w/ Tim/Robinson in the 98 postseason. So he has been trying to championship smallball w/ size.:lol

****** being injured in 98 is the equivalent of Tiago's injury this past postseason as it cost them the Jazz series & a shot at going up against the Bulls:bang.

Wow, Will Perdue at SF. That has to rank as one of the all-time biggest front-lines (not to say slowest) of all time. And people think Kyle's lack of speed should be a big concern! :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

I wish. I kind of expected more playtime for him and the rest of the project players we have early this season.

But the experiments have been with the main guys, lineups, the SL struggling, guys getting amplified roles (I think Danny and Patty making plays off the dribble is by design), and well the low scoring games and tight games, we have not had enough experiements with the bench.

i thought both Simmons and Boban played well last game. Boban is prone to TO though, but Pop needs to play him at least 6 mins 3 mins here and 3 there. We probably don't want TD on B2B either. I am not sure.

Boban is on a 1 year contract though. I would think you need to play him some through the season, not only to evaluate if you want to resign him, but to be able to value his contract accordingly.

Baynes didn't play much in the regular season during his first season but Pop unleashed him against the Blazers in the playoffs:lol. But then he left Tiago glued to the bench in 2011 so who knows what he's going to do as long as Bonner stays in the dog house:lol. I'm expecting Kyle to get the rookie G.Hill treatment who got playing time in the playoffs when Pop wanted to throw the kitchen sink out of desperation.

[Arcadian]

The NBA is so predictable... We all know the Final Four will be Warriors/Spurs and Cavs/Bulls, so let's just cut the shit and start the conference finals now. :lol

[DarrinS]

Finally.

I was getting worried as problems were not going to be fixed by his mobility.
David really needs to understand situations to be his most effective.

Thats a couple of solid games now. Keep it going.

That guy, more than anyone, made a huge sacrifice. I hope it works out for him. Good dude.

[ElNono]

Want to take a pause to thank all for chatting about this stuff.
Whether we want to crush each others opinions or not, its nice for me to hear what other fans as passionate as me think about these things.

Its a hobby of sorts!

Have all a happy holidays if you celebrate them, and if you don't cheers anyways.

Happy thanksgiving to you too

[DarrinS]

I wish. I kind of expected more playtime for him and the rest of the project players we have early this season.

But the experiments have been with the main guys, lineups, the SL struggling, guys getting amplified roles (I think Danny and Patty making plays off the dribble is by design), and well the low scoring games and tight games, we have not had enough experiements with the bench.

i thought both Simmons and Boban played well last game. Boban is prone to TO though, but Pop needs to play him at least 6 mins 3 mins here and 3 there. We probably don't want TD on B2B either. I am not sure.

Boban is on a 1 year contract though. I would think you need to play him some through the season, not only to evaluate if you want to resign him, but to be able to value his contract accordingly.


Pop is s damn Renaissance man. I never know what he's going to do. I do know that he can bring out the best in a player. I've always been skeptical of players Boban's size, tho.

[Kawhitstorm]

The NBA is so predictable... We all know the Final Four will be Warriors/Spurs and Cavs/Bulls, so let's just cut the shit and start the conference finals now. :lol

I wouldn't count the Bulls in w/ Noah/Rose/Pau ready to crumble at any moment.:lol The Heat are supposedly trying to make a trade for a shooter so their roster isn't set but Wade's health status is unknown. The Wizards frontline looks terrible but they have the best backcourt when Beal is in the lineup. Basically, the Hawks could reach the ECF for the second time in a row if the rest of the field isn't healthy thus Cavs will yet again cakewalk into the Finals:bang.

In any case, Paul George is looking like the 2nd best player in the East so the Pacers are my dark horse to reach the ECF if Monta can find his groove.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2015/1125/112515George.jpg

[SAGirl]

Just when I thought you were coming around you shit the bed.
I still like him, but I am now sharing the concern others do, concerning our lack of depth. I thought Pop made some questionable decisions this game and overplayed Manu and Kawhi. We are just no surviving the full season with Kawhi at 41 minutes. It's too much over the long run. Pop counted on blowouts and what not to rest the stars, but we have had a relatively easy schedule until the last two games, which were hot teams and better coached, and still our games were close, or teams mounted come backs that made it impossible to rest ppl in the game.

I am still not sure another wing would solve that, bc Pop would be reluctant to play him unless he's an established vet or something, and for established vet we have Butler.

But it is indeed a concern over the long run that Pop is not playing his other wings as much. Maybe he does want Belinelli back, since he played Belinelli 22 mins average last season.

:pop:

[SAGirl]

Also, Pop knows he's playing against probably the 2nd best coach in the league... Rick is very good in finding weak spots, so much more of a reason to roll with the older/experienced guys in crunch time.
I secretly admire Carlile and Dirk. Much respect to them.

[sasaint]

The NBA is so predictable... We all know the Final Four will be Warriors/Spurs and Cavs/Bulls, so let's just cut the shit and start the conference finals now. :lol

Old but healthy Spurs would agree.

[sasaint]

Want to take a pause to thank all for chatting about this stuff.
Whether we want to crush each others opinions or not, its nice for me to hear what other fans as passionate as me think about these things.

Its a hobby of sorts!

Have all a happy holidays if you celebrate them, and if you don't cheers anyways.

Have a very Happy Thanksgiving, and thanks for your analysis and courtesy.

[SAGirl]

Baynes didn't play much in the regular season during his first season but Pop unleashed him against the Blazers in the playoffs:lol. But then he left Tiago glued to the bench in 2011 so who knows what he's going to do as long as Bonner stays in the dog house:lol. I'm expecting Kyle to get the rookie G.Hill treatment who got playing time in the playoffs when Pop wanted to throw the kitchen sink out of desperation.
:toast:lol

It has been concerning that Diaw is looking slower and heavier this season. I honestly don't think he's faster or more agile than Kyle at this point, and Kyle can really defend in the perimeter, Diaw is just adequate. Diaw will of course slim down in March, get on his diet and show up. He just has that knack for showing up for big games thankfully.

As for this game, I forgot about Diaw entirely, but now that you mention it Diaw has really gotten Pop upset. I missed whether Diaw was his own undoing in this case. I remember him passing up on shots from range, then we saw Kyle for 2 minutes, then Rasual. Those were all Diaw's minutes. It's not like Pop played Rasual or Kyle at wings spots. That is how we end up with Kawhi 41 minutes and Manu 28.

After all this, I really got on Pop over the Rasual decision, but it really comes back to Diaw.

[DarrinS]

At the end of the day, Spurs have the second best record in the league. Pretty amazing, tbh.

[Kawhitstorm]

:toast:lol

It has been concerning that Diaw is looking slower and heavier this season. I honestly don't think he's faster or more agile than Kyle at this point, and Kyle can really defend in the perimeter, Diaw is just adequate. Diaw will of course slim down in March, get on his diet and show up. He just has that knack for showing up for big games thankfully.



I remember Diaw looking spry to start the season, swatting shots & all. He has looked sluggish since the Blazers game where he schooled the young bucks. I'm assuming he's just coasting but w/ D-West on board it shouldn't be a problem as long as Pop isn't sending him out there to guard stretch 4s:lol. (If Butler can hit an outside shot he would have been getting more minutes against stretch 4s, he's keeping Bonner glued to the bench w/ his hustle so I can't complain)

[turb0time]

At the end of the day, Spurs have the second best record in the league. Pretty amazing, tbh.

[SAGirl]

I remember Diaw looking spry to start the season, swatting shots & all. He has looked sluggish since the Blazers game where he schooled the young bucks. I'm assuming he's just coasting but w/ D-West on board it shouldn't be a problem as long as Pop isn't sending him out there to guard stretch 4s:lol. (If Butler can hit an outside shot he would have been getting more minutes against stretch 4s, he's keeping Bonner glued to the bench w/ his hustle so I can't complain)
I much prefer Butler as a stretch 4, but you know its not his natural position. One of the reasons I don't like Bonner as a stretch 4 is that he just stands there, which is the same Butler did in this case. There is a lack of cutting and rolling and off the ball movement with that set up and it doesn't work very well. It offers space to the post up player to go to work, but its less efficient, or worse than having a stretch 4 who can also make plays off the bounce, which is what makes Boris special. He not only spots up, but he also posts ups, drives, passes. He's incredibly versatile as Pops "medium 4".

Kyle is a much different player, and we don't know yet what he'll be, and hes much more perimeter based than Diaw, since he's so slim, but he is similar in making plays off the bounce, staying active off the ball, setting screens and not staying just spotted up, and unlike Diaw, since Kyle is slim and I guess "agile-slow", he cuts. He is just a smart BBIQ player. That opens up opportunities for others, etc.

Pop is having Butler play literally the Bonner role. I would much prefer Butler to Bonner, but Kyle is superior to both, even now. But that is just my fandom talking.

Diaw obviously is much better not just bc of his experience but bc he's a true 4, his strenght and weight allow him to battle inside. Kyle is a lightweight and Butler is playing out of position.

[LakerHater]

https://i.imgur.com/s8iPsme.jpg

[All Mighty Janitor]

:lol I'm letting you vent, my comment was actually for your own wellbeing in the long run...

They obviously like Kyle, but his role might not expand until next season... it's a process, as they say
I didn't know you were a therapist :D

[ceperez]

SAGirl, I am all in on your rant. World of difference between playing a hot Manu 21 minutes and a dead Manu 28. Lunacy. Pop seemed to be in reactive mode all night, never putting a lineup on the floor to force Carlisle's hand. Plus, he didn't even react well! Shoot, with a 12 point lead put in Boban and just feed him every time. See what happens for a couple of minutes. May get Zaza or Javale into foul trouble and give LMA and Timmy more latitude when they re-enter. Anything would have been a better game plan than the one Pop apparently didn't have.

With Spurs this season, it's hard to tell what the lineups will eventually be come playoff time. Pop is just inserting lineups that are just good enough to win.

The problem seems to be that there's too much talent. You could randomly put any five on the court and they still would win!

The challenge isn't there. Look at the previous game when LMA was not playing. All of a sudden there was a lot of effort from everyone else.

Incidentally, LMA injury did well for him, he's hesitating less in his offense and spacing is much better.

[callo1]

Missed the entire game:(

Wife said she had set it to record...she was recording the Suns game??? Pure sabotage!!

Are there any links to the game?

[still.focused]

One thing highlighted during this game is how reluctant the spurs are to milk a mismatch. (Regardless what bill or Sean say)
Dallas however will 1/4 P&R until they're blue in the face and either let Dirk ISO or wait for the defense to react
Why SA doesn't torture PGs with Kawhi & LMA baffles me
Kawhi has a mismatch against most SFs guards have no chance
I dony even care if scores, he'd definitely force the defense to move, thus scramble the rest of the team is super capable of knocking down the open jumper
I think were too stuck on having aa traditional PG initiated offense & missing a bunch of easy opportunities

[sasaint]

With Spurs this season, it's hard to tell what the lineups will eventually be come playoff time. Pop is just inserting lineups that are just good enough to win.

The problem seems to be that there's too much talent. You could randomly put any five on the court and they still would win!

The challenge isn't there. Look at the previous game when LMA was not playing. All of a sudden there was a lot of effort from everyone else.

Incidentally, LMA injury did well for him, he's hesitating less in his offense and spacing is much better.

From tip-off, LMA was better integrated by his teammates, and he spaced the floor better. I think seeing the old hands perform without him under real RS game conditions gave him new perspective. Plus, seeing how DWest performed and where he was on the floor may have also opened his eyes some.

[sasaint]

One thing highlighted during this game is how reluctant the spurs are to milk a mismatch. (Regardless what bill or Sean say)
Dallas however will 1/4 P&R until they're blue in the face and either let Dirk ISO or wait for the defense to react
Why SA doesn't torture PGs with Kawhi & LMA baffles me
Kawhi has a mismatch against most SFs guards have no chance
I dony even care if scores, he'd definitely force the defense to move, thus scramble the rest of the team is super capable of knocking down the open jumper
I think were too stuck on having aa traditional PG initiated offense & missing a bunch of easy opportunities

One other thing puzzles me. I expected to see a lot of high/low action between Tim and LMA. We have seen almost none. We HAVE attempted a few lobs to Kawhi, with mixed results.

[sasaint]

I much prefer Butler as a stretch 4, but you know its not his natural position. One of the reasons I don't like Bonner as a stretch 4 is that he just stands there, which is the same Butler did in this case. There is a lack of cutting and rolling and off the ball movement with that set up and it doesn't work very well. It offers space to the post up player to go to work, but its less efficient, or worse than having a stretch 4 who can also make plays off the bounce, which is what makes Boris special. He not only spots up, but he also posts ups, drives, passes. He's incredibly versatile as Pops "medium 4".

Kyle is a much different player, and we don't know yet what he'll be, and hes much more perimeter based than Diaw, since he's so slim, but he is similar in making plays off the bounce, staying active off the ball, setting screens and not staying just spotted up, and unlike Diaw, since Kyle is slim and I guess "agile-slow", he cuts. He is just a smart BBIQ player. That opens up opportunities for others, etc.

Pop is having Butler play literally the Bonner role. I would much prefer Butler to Bonner, but Kyle is superior to both, even now. But that is just my fandom talking.

Diaw obviously is much better not just bc of his experience but bc he's a true 4, his strenght and weight allow him to battle inside. Kyle is a lightweight and Butler is playing out of position.

I take issue with the first highlighted part of your comment. How can you say that Kyle's game is more perimeter-based when it is precisely his lack of a 3-point shot that causes everybody on ST such consternation? If you check his shot chart, I bet you will find most of his attempts and makes come in the midrange.

You are spot-on with your second highlighted comment, which only highlights the critical issue we have at SF. Both Kyle and Rasual are tweeners. Neither is a real 4 OR 3. Unless Simmons develops miraculously, we have 1.5 SFs - Kawhi and Manu. We are riding both much more than we would like for them to be in optimal shape come playoff time. We can pray that Simmons develops sufficiently to offer quality relief, or we can add another 3 via trade or free agency. Trouble is: Pop has shown little inclination to entrust Simmons with meaningful reps to see how reliable he might become; neither is a mid-season addition likely to learn our system well enough or gain Pop's trust to become a real contributor. As much as I like many things about our team and about both Kyle and Rasual, we are looking at a very serious problem in the playoffs, especially against GS.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Sucks that we are the second best team in the league but still gonna get crusher by the Warriors. Team is on another fucking level. One of the greatest teams in NBA history.

Lol, we own Golden State, Im more worried about OKC than them

[BatManu20]

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[Spurtacular]

Yesterday was a travel day for me. LMA missed his last shot, and KL made his last couple shots. How many threads did apalisoc_9 make for that (will make)?

[SAGirl]

I take issue with the first highlighted part of your comment. How can you say that Kyle's game is more perimeter-based when it is precisely his lack of a 3-point shot that causes everybody on ST such consternation? If you check his shot chart, I bet you will find most of his attempts and makes come in the midrange.

Kyle can shoot. Its confidence with him.

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He probably defers a whole lot, and might have something like Diaw, reluctant to let it fly bc he's a passer. He's young, and needs playtime to catch a rhythm with others. To truly contribute, he might be a year away. But the season is young, and we are bound to need more from him before its over. I would rather Pop push him now, than have him sit for a single mistake while Manu is throwing the ball all over and Patty and Manu are shooting horribly and Danny is having an aweful game himself.

Pop is "TERCO" lol :pop:

This is Simmons:

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He's less ready than Kyle. More of a driver, as we know. Still I like him too, and would not mind at all seeing some of him too, and Ray.

We need an answer.

[LakerHater]

No Tim or Manu tomorrow nite!

[LakerHater]

Now Green too

[SAGirl]

Now Green too


No Tim or Manu tomorrow nite!
What for real?

[Spurtacular]

Kyle can shoot. Its confidence with him.

667762946013958144

He probably defers a whole lot, and might have something like Diaw, reluctant to let it fly bc he's a passer. He's young, and needs playtime to catch a rhythm with others. To truly contribute, he might be a year away. But the season is young, and we are bound to need more from him before its over. I would rather Pop push him now, than have him sit for a single mistake while Manu is throwing the ball all over and Patty and Manu are shooting horribly and Danny is having an aweful game himself.

Pop is "TERCO" lol :pop:

This is Simmons:

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He's less ready than Kyle. More of a driver, as we know. Still I like him too, and would not mind at all seeing some of him too, and Ray.

We need an answer.

Simmons and Anderson will both be gone within three years. Book it.

[ceperez]

Simmons and Anderson will both be gone within three years. Book it.

Spoken like a true fan.

[BillMc]

Now Green too

Really? Just rest, or is he injured?

[kaji157]

Kyle can shoot. Its confidence with him.

667762946013958144

He probably defers a whole lot, and might have something like Diaw, reluctant to let it fly bc he's a passer. He's young, and needs playtime to catch a rhythm with others. To truly contribute, he might be a year away. But the season is young, and we are bound to need more from him before its over. I would rather Pop push him now, than have him sit for a single mistake while Manu is throwing the ball all over and Patty and Manu are shooting horribly and Danny is having an aweful game himself.

Pop is "TERCO" lol :pop:

This is Simmons:

659403574565187584

He's less ready than Kyle. More of a driver, as we know. Still I like him too, and would not mind at all seeing some of him too, and Ray.

We need an answer.

What a SLOW SLOW SLOW release Kyle has.

Simmons has also a somehow awkward shooting form.

[SAGirl]

What a SLOW SLOW SLOW release Kyle has.

Simmons has also a somehow awkward shooting form.

On Kyle: Indeed. It's why he won't shoot unless he's wide open. He's not a quick trigger. In that sense, he's not an elite shooter like Kawhi and Danny, who have also established that they can shoot under pressure and have license to shoot semi contested 3s (Kawhi even contested off the dribble, so has Manu, but those guys are on another level). At this stage Kyle will only shoot only if he's wide open. That means he'll be taking less 3s as well, but its a good sign that he can knock those shots down, and unlike Danny for example, he has a nice midrange game and if you close out and take his 3 out, he can do many other things well. I visualize Kyle as a Boris Diaw type shooter. He will shoot the 3 only if he's wide open and there is a good chance that on those occasions, it will go down. I actually hope Kyle gets a higher %, considering the looks Boris gets.

Simmons: He's the truest definition of a project. He's very athletic, with good size for a wing, and is a gifted passer, but whether he puts the whole package together with some shooting and good handles to go along with his athleticism and slashing, we don't know. If he comes together well, we have ourselves a nice roleplayer, but he could flame out easily. He's an unknown to watch.

[Spurtacular]

Spoken like a true fan.

No, that's what I believe to be the most likely scenario. KA and Simmons not sticking for too long; especially Simmons. KA has a chance.