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Floyd Pacquiao
11-29-2015, 11:34 PM
Thomas after choking dick all game :lol

spurraider21
11-29-2015, 11:34 PM
faggot ass DT redeeming his faggot ass self :lol

Benoit
11-29-2015, 11:35 PM
Come on boys

N0 LyF3 ScRuB
11-29-2015, 11:35 PM
Sucks, I was hoping the Pats would win the SB, this year, tbh, since Denver won't..

I'm disappointed in you, tbh... turning your back on the Panthers bandwagon...

AlexJones
11-29-2015, 11:36 PM
Sucks, I was hoping the Pats would win the SB, this year, tbh, since Denver won't..
Time to grab those Steelers futures tbh

SuperCam
11-29-2015, 11:37 PM
No DT no :cry

td4mvp2k
11-29-2015, 11:37 PM
Thomas after choking dick all game :lol

td4mvp2k
11-29-2015, 11:38 PM
wtf assweiler

DAF86
11-29-2015, 11:38 PM
Run the fucking ball now.

N0 LyF3 ScRuB
11-29-2015, 11:38 PM
What a fucking throw!!!!!!

spurraider21
11-29-2015, 11:38 PM
Edelman out, Gronk out... Dobson's time to shine and prove me right all along: he can be as good as louis murphy

SuperCam
11-29-2015, 11:38 PM
Peyton ain't ever getting off that fucking bench :lol

N0 LyF3 ScRuB
11-29-2015, 11:40 PM
:lol everyone doing the Superman celebration

td4mvp2k
11-29-2015, 11:40 PM
:lmao belicheat

N0 LyF3 ScRuB
11-29-2015, 11:40 PM
:lol damn NE is choking

DAF86
11-29-2015, 11:41 PM
Run the fucking ball now.

But stay on the fucking field.

TheCultOfPersonality
11-29-2015, 11:41 PM
Patrick Chung bails out the Broncos stupidity.

spurraider21
11-29-2015, 11:41 PM
:lol everyone doing the Superman celebration
everyone copying dwight howard smh

td4mvp2k
11-29-2015, 11:41 PM
:wow

spurraider21
11-29-2015, 11:41 PM
osweiler with the clutch drive tbh

TheCultOfPersonality
11-29-2015, 11:42 PM
Osweiler to Caldwell. Touchdown.

DAF86
11-29-2015, 11:42 PM
1:22 for Brady to tie it. Although this times it looks much more difficult, tbh.

AlexJones
11-29-2015, 11:42 PM
Too fucking early

lefty
11-29-2015, 11:42 PM
Lulz

HarlemHeat37
11-29-2015, 11:42 PM
Time to grab those Steelers futures tbh

I was just playing, bro, Denver should easily win the SB with Brock Flacco, tbh:lol..

td4mvp2k
11-29-2015, 11:42 PM
brady ftw

Benoit
11-29-2015, 11:42 PM
Man, I love these refs!

Robz4000
11-29-2015, 11:43 PM
OT a'coming

HarlemHeat37
11-29-2015, 11:43 PM
First time Denver has had an NFL QB since last October, tbh..

Thanks for the memories Manning:(

Floyd Pacquiao
11-29-2015, 11:43 PM
Brock Osweiler. The future of white quarterbacking?

SuperCam
11-29-2015, 11:44 PM
Broncorefs, tbh, but who gives a fuck :lol

TheCultOfPersonality
11-29-2015, 11:44 PM
1:09 to go. Too much time for Brady.

lefty
11-29-2015, 11:44 PM
Predict

N0 LyF3 ScRuB
11-29-2015, 11:44 PM
Gostkowski is a great kicker.. but lets see if he's Vinateri-clutch

lefty
11-29-2015, 11:45 PM
Punt

spurraider21
11-29-2015, 11:46 PM
snowy game, pats down 3 late in the 4th, i've seen this before.

doesn't end well for the other guys

DAF86
11-29-2015, 11:46 PM
What a break for NE.

td4mvp2k
11-29-2015, 11:46 PM
lmao broncos

SuperCam
11-29-2015, 11:46 PM
Gostkowski is a great kicker.. but lets see if he's Vinateri-clutch


miss the Giants game? Terrible clock management killed them too :lol

N0 LyF3 ScRuB
11-29-2015, 11:46 PM
WTF?! 16 added seconds?!

N0 LyF3 ScRuB
11-29-2015, 11:47 PM
garbage calls

N0 LyF3 ScRuB
11-29-2015, 11:47 PM
oh shit theres only 10 seconds

DAF86
11-29-2015, 11:47 PM
And just like that :lol

N0 LyF3 ScRuB
11-29-2015, 11:47 PM
Jesus Brady is too clutch

TheCultOfPersonality
11-29-2015, 11:48 PM
1:09 to go. Too much time for Brady.

Yep.

AlexJones
11-29-2015, 11:48 PM
Gotta punt here, Pats.

spurraider21
11-29-2015, 11:48 PM
goatkowski is fucking unreal

td4mvp2k
11-29-2015, 11:48 PM
:lmao broncos

lefty
11-29-2015, 11:48 PM
Lmao South Park

SuperCam
11-29-2015, 11:48 PM
How many fucking coaches are gonna keep giving Brady 60+ seconds on these drives :lol

Robz4000
11-29-2015, 11:49 PM
Too predictable

spurraider21
11-29-2015, 11:49 PM
snowy game, pats down 3 late in the 4th, i've seen this before.

doesn't end well for the other guys

DAF86
11-29-2015, 11:49 PM
Run the fucking ball now.

Somebody should hire me as "Decision making coach", tbh.

UNT Eagles 2016
11-29-2015, 11:49 PM
Gostkowski is this generation's Vinatieri!

AlexJones
11-29-2015, 11:49 PM
:lol watch Belichick defer it

Clipper Nation
11-29-2015, 11:49 PM
:lol Donks
:lol Mental midgets

Robz4000
11-29-2015, 11:50 PM
Time to bump that coin toss thread?

lefty
11-29-2015, 11:50 PM
Heads yeah

UNT Eagles 2016
11-29-2015, 11:50 PM
Brady, get a TD here, end the game. Don't give the Ozzman a chance or he'll kill you.

HarlemHeat37
11-29-2015, 11:51 PM
Why couldn't Brady age like Manning, tbh?

UNT Eagles 2016
11-29-2015, 11:52 PM
Gronkowski and Graham with torn ACLs on the same night? This season sucks ass... go Panthers though

Kim Jong-il
11-29-2015, 11:52 PM
Pretty awesome the Pats got the two GOAT kickers back to back

Clipper Nation
11-29-2015, 11:52 PM
How many fucking coaches are gonna keep giving Brady 60+ seconds on these drives :lol
Tbh, when breathing in the vicinity of Brady is a penalty, it's hard not to.

lefty
11-29-2015, 11:55 PM
Lulz

N0 LyF3 ScRuB
11-29-2015, 11:55 PM
No Gronk = No Brady

lefty
11-29-2015, 11:55 PM
Gg pats

AlexJones
11-29-2015, 11:55 PM
Best reg season game in years tbh

SuperCam
11-29-2015, 11:55 PM
Time for my nig Oz to do some work :hat

HarlemHeat37
11-29-2015, 11:56 PM
:lol the contrast in punters is sad, tbh..

Colquitt is the shittiest punter in the league..

Kim Jong-il
11-29-2015, 11:57 PM
Best reg season game in years tbh
Giants-Pats a couple weeks ago was better

TheCultOfPersonality
11-29-2015, 11:58 PM
Anderson to the house!

UNT Eagles 2016
11-29-2015, 11:58 PM
fuck

SuperCam
11-29-2015, 11:58 PM
CJGOAT :wow

Benoit
11-29-2015, 11:59 PM
Fuck yeah baby

DAF86
11-29-2015, 11:59 PM
First loss and Gronk probably out for good. Turnaround of the season, tbh.

td4mvp2k
11-29-2015, 11:59 PM
patriots are NOT repeating :rollin

Robz4000
11-29-2015, 11:59 PM
Damn, was hoping for 18-1: Part II.

Robz4000
11-30-2015, 12:00 AM
So if Gronk is out the rest of the season, do the Broncos become the new AFC favorite?

Clipper Nation
11-30-2015, 12:00 AM
:lmao Patriots
:lmao Anderson taking a wet shit on Brady's face

N0 LyF3 ScRuB
11-30-2015, 12:01 AM
Grats HarlemHeat37

Thanks for taking them boys out

SuperCam
11-30-2015, 12:01 AM
Texans Broncos AFC title game, tbqh

Spurs9
11-30-2015, 12:01 AM
Holy crap what a game tbh :lol

resistanze
11-30-2015, 12:01 AM
Any chance Manning writes a poem tonight tbh?

Kim Jong-il
11-30-2015, 12:02 AM
LOL it only took an injury toll of historic proportions in order to finally barely beat the Patriots.

SuperCam
11-30-2015, 12:03 AM
How long before buttbuddy Schefter leaks Peyton out for season news, tbh :lol

UNT Eagles 2016
11-30-2015, 12:03 AM
Brock is the new Tim Tebow tbh

Floyd Pacquiao
11-30-2015, 12:03 AM
Brock Osweiler is the future of this league. He's tall, white & has a big arm. Just needs to watch more film on how to read defenses and go through his progressions better.

Kim Jong-il
11-30-2015, 12:04 AM
Any chance Manning writes a poem tonight tbh?
"Never gonna start again"

HarlemHeat37
11-30-2015, 12:04 AM
:lol Broncos would have lost if Gronk had stayed in the game, but I'll take it, tbh..injuring the opponent is part of the game..

I kind of hope that he's not seriously hurt, though, tbh..

UNT Eagles 2016
11-30-2015, 12:04 AM
Texans Broncos AFC title game, tbqh

JJ watt gets a pick six, a fumble six, and a six in the red zone offense. Add a field goal; 24–21 Texans

TheGreatYacht
11-30-2015, 12:04 AM
Let's see how SysTom does now that he's throwing to bums Will Hunting

Kim Jong-il
11-30-2015, 12:05 AM
Let's see how SysTom does now that he's throwing to bums Will Hunting
LOL by that logic Rodgers is a system QB too

UNT Eagles 2016
11-30-2015, 12:05 AM
Brock Osweiler is the future of this league. He's tall, white & has a big arm. Just needs to watch more film on how to read defenses and go through his progressions better.

I'll give the Broncos Hardy for him, tbh... if Peyton wants to stay another year... Hardy would fit in with Talib, Ward and the rest. :lol

spurraider21
11-30-2015, 12:07 AM
So if Gronk is out the rest of the season, do the Broncos become the new AFC favorite?
still bengals imo

UNT Eagles 2016
11-30-2015, 12:08 AM
Jimmy Graham officially out for season with torn acl... looks to be Gronk's fate as well.

Clipper Nation
11-30-2015, 12:09 AM
Let's see how SysTom does now that he's throwing to bums Will Hunting
:lmao An Enrique Porker stan talking about "system players"

Robz4000
11-30-2015, 12:09 AM
still bengals imo

:lol no

UNT Eagles 2016
11-30-2015, 12:10 AM
still bengals imo

Bangoles are bad, tbh... beneficiaries of easy third place schedule. Cardinals are the only good team they've played and they lost. Bangoles and Donks meet up in week 16 so we'll know more by then. Bangoles will never win a pennant with red ryder BB gun at quarterback

Dex
11-30-2015, 12:10 AM
:lol Broncos would have lost if Gronk had stayed in the game, but I'll take it, tbh..injuring the opponent is part of the game..

I kind of hope that he's not seriously hurt, though, tbh..

Fuck the Patriots. I hope he is out forever.

HarlemHeat37
11-30-2015, 12:11 AM
Hey UNT, thanks again for picking Denver to lose, bro..

UNT Eagles 2016
11-30-2015, 12:12 AM
Al Michaels, don't be an idiot... Hasselbeck >> Luck. Trade Luck, Hasselbeck is the QB of the future for the Colts. I don't care if he plays until he's 50, he's still better than Andrea Cuck :lol

TheGreatYacht
11-30-2015, 12:12 AM
:lmao An Enrique Porker stan talking about "system players"
A gook Kiwitard getting ticked at the mention of a system :lmao

Clipper Nation
11-30-2015, 12:12 AM
Any chance Manning writes a poem tonight tbh?
http://i.imgur.com/oVSnhoB.jpg

I DUN THROW GUD NO MOAR.
ELWAY AND CUBIAK WAS MEEN TO ME.
I HAS SAD.
I IS FIXIN' TO RETIAR NOW.
DERP!!!

- Peyton Manning

UNT Eagles 2016
11-30-2015, 12:13 AM
Hey UNT, thanks again for picking Denver to lose, bro..

Denver won't win anything beyond round 1, tbh

HarlemHeat37
11-30-2015, 12:15 AM
Denver won't win anything beyond round 1, tbh

Thanks, bro, your generosity is commendable..

spurraider21
11-30-2015, 12:17 AM
Thanks, bro, your generosity is commendable..
:lol... if he keeps posting this way i might need to change my tune on the "are the broncos real" topic

Avante
11-30-2015, 12:18 AM
No Beast Mode, the D is struggling so whats RW do, how about throwing for FIVE td's.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Remember Me saying ...SLOW DOWN!!!!!!!!!...? Look at the Falcons now and the Chiefs and the Texans and the Lions. Totaly different deal now than it was in Sept/Oct.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Tom Brady might be the greatest QB we have seen.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It's going to get nasty in Denver now. No way in hell they can put Manning back in and he's not going to be a nice/cool do what's right for the team guy.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The Pats haven't lost two in a row since early in 2013, next up....Eagles.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It is looking like....Arizona vs Seattle and Cincy vs Denver in the Championship games. NE is the best AFC team but simply too many injuries now.

UNT Eagles 2016
11-30-2015, 12:18 AM
:lol... if he keeps posting this way i might need to change my tune on the "are the broncos real" topic

Raiders are going to win out ;)

spurraider21
11-30-2015, 12:19 AM
:bang

UNT Eagles 2016
11-30-2015, 12:20 AM
No Beast Mode, the D is struggling so whats RW do, how about throwing for FIVE td's.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Remember Me saying ...SLOW DOWN!!!!!!!!!...? Look at the Falcons now and the Chiefs and the Texans and the Lions. Totaly different deal now than it was in Sept/Oct.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Tom Brady might be the greatest QB we have seen.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It's going to get nasty in Denver now. No way in hell they can put Manning back in and he's not going to be a nice/cool do what's right for the team guy.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The Pats haven't lost two in a row since early in 2013, next up....Eagles.
Eagles? that should be an easy win :lol Eagles fans probably had a semen fest tonight over the Giants loss and the Pats injuries, though.

Avante
11-30-2015, 12:26 AM
Raiders are going to win out ;)

Lets be realistic.

Probably lose to KC
will lose in Denver
probably lose to GB
might beat the Chargers
will lose in KC

What are you talking about? They might win 2 of those.

SuperCam
11-30-2015, 12:26 AM
No Beast Mode, the D is struggling so whats RW do, how about throwing for FIVE td's.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Remember Me saying ...SLOW DOWN!!!!!!!!!...? Look at the Falcons now and the Chiefs and the Texans and the Lions. Totaly different deal now than it was in Sept/Oct.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Tom Brady might be the greatest QB we have seen.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It's going to get nasty in Denver now. No way in hell they can put Manning back in and he's not going to be a nice/cool do what's right for the team guy.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The Pats haven't lost two in a row since early in 2013, next up....Eagles.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It is looking like....Arizona vs Seattle and Cincy vs Denver in the Championship games. NE is the best AFC team but simply too many injuries now.


Pedo faggot

HarlemHeat37
11-30-2015, 12:28 AM
Apparently Gronk's injury isn't serious according to Schefter and that goofy dude on NFL Network..

Avante
11-30-2015, 12:28 AM
Pedo faggot

Retarded cocksucker, who is a queer for Cam Newton.

UNT Eagles 2016
11-30-2015, 12:29 AM
Lets be realistic.

Probably lose to KC
will lose in Denver
probably lose to GB
might beat the Chargers
will lose in KC

What are you talking about? They might win 2 of those.
I was just going along with their gimmick... I totally agree with you. Raiders might win one of the KC games and the Packers have been pretty bad of late.

Thebesteva
11-30-2015, 12:32 AM
http://i.imgur.com/oVSnhoB.jpg

I DUN THROW GUD NO MOAR.
ELWAY AND CUBIAK WAS MEEN TO ME.
I HAS SAD.
I IS FIXIN' TO RETIAR NOW.
DERP!!!

- Peyton Manning

I totally agree with u about Manning being an epic choker. But give the man credit, he is pure class and a very well spoken guy. Never correlated Manning as a true bronco...he's as Bronco as Malone is a Laker, but with that said the guy truly is class.

UNT Eagles 2016
11-30-2015, 12:32 AM
Apparently Gronk's injury isn't serious according to Schefter and that goofy dude on NFL Network..

Welp, I guess my reverse jinx worked again... since I predicted torn ACL :lol Eagles fans are probably pissed, though

DAF86
11-30-2015, 12:50 AM
I totally agree with u about Manning being an epic choker. But give the man credit, he is pure class and a very well spoken guy. Never correlated Manning as a true bronco...he's as Bronco as Malone is a Laker, but with that said the guy truly is class.

Not to mention that if not for Manning reviving the Broncos in 2012, the club might not be in this position right now.

HarlemHeat37
11-30-2015, 12:56 AM
Not to mention that if not for Manning reviving the Broncos in 2012, the club might not be in this position right now.

http://static.laughily.com/uploads/yea/yeah-.gif

DAF86
11-30-2015, 12:58 AM
http://static.laughily.com/uploads/yea/yeah-.gif

Tebow time. Good times. Last time I trully pulled hard for a team/player to win in the NFL, tbh.

HI-FI
11-30-2015, 01:36 AM
that was a heckuva game. crazy how patriots lose so many and their System keeps rolling on. Cassell can't win shit with the Cowboys yet was able to go 11-5 even though he hadn't started since HS.

Not to mention that if not for Manning reviving the Broncos in 2012, the club might not be in this position right now.
cosigned. Tebow was alright, i didn't hate him but I wasn't a huge fan of the spectacle. Manning has never been the same since getting his neck bent backward in 06. At this point I think Broncos should roll with the hot hand and stick with Osweiler, he can just make throws Peyton can't at this point.

Arcadian
11-30-2015, 01:39 AM
I didn't like Tebow. I pulled for him to lose.

Clipper Nation
11-30-2015, 02:05 AM
I totally agree with u about Manning being an epic choker. But give the man credit, he is pure class and a very well spoken guy. Never correlated Manning as a true bronco...he's as Bronco as Malone is a Laker, but with that said the guy truly is class.

He's always come across as a country goober and a bit of a hick, tbh. He isn't quite as classless as douchebags like Brady, Cutler, Krappernick or Cum Newton, but he still has a huge ego, has to control everything and throws his teammates under the bus when he chokes.

DD
11-30-2015, 02:09 AM
I didn't like Tebow. I pulled for him to lose.

But you had no problem rooting for a rapist, Bin Laden sympathizer, and a drunk driver

BanditHiro
11-30-2015, 02:27 AM
Brock Osweiler the 1 in 10 - 1

Arcadian
11-30-2015, 03:26 AM
But you had no problem rooting for a rapist, Bin Laden sympathizer, and a drunk driver

Yes. When it comes to athletes, I only care about what they bring to the game, and how they act in it. I didn't like what Tebow brought to the game.

Avante
11-30-2015, 03:48 AM
How in the hell did the Seahawks win a game without BEAST MODE and a defense giving up over 30 points, oh yeah.....RUSSELL WILSON!!!!!!!!!

As ya know I don't get goofy over "a" game. I;m not doing that because Wilson can win in any system as I've said. The guy can throw the ball.

Ya don't leave the NCAA as the all time passing efficency leader and not have some serious passing skills.

No QB in history has won more games than RW at this stage of their career.

UNT Eagles 2016
11-30-2015, 05:42 AM
How in the hell did the Seahawks win a game without BEAST MODE and a defense giving up over 30 points, oh yeah.....RUSSELL WILSON!!!!!!!!!

As ya know I don't get goofy over "a" game. I;m not doing that because Wilson can win in any system as I've said. The guy can throw the ball.

Ya don't leave the NCAA as the all time passing efficency leader and not have some serious passing skills.

No QB in history has won more games than RW at this stage of their career.
Richard Sherman, Kam Chancellor (though he's kind of a dolt)... Earl Thomas, Cliff Avril... Marshawn Lynch.

TheCultOfPersonality
11-30-2015, 06:54 AM
I personally have nothing against Tebow a.k.a The Master Of The 3 And Out, but he sucks at football.

Canyonero
11-30-2015, 11:41 AM
Osweiler was lucky to land this opportunity on a contract year. Time to apply his 3-year-experience clipboarding one of the smartest QB to play the game.

On the other hand looking forward to seeing how Schaub will do tonight.

leemajors
11-30-2015, 12:02 PM
I didn't like Tebow. I pulled for him to lose.

http://tampa.cbslocal.com/2015/11/27/tim-tebow-miss-usa-sex/?cid=facebook_97.1_The_Ticket

spurraider21
11-30-2015, 10:31 PM
oh look. schaub threw a pick-6

Avante
11-30-2015, 10:41 PM
Did Gruden really say that Travis Benjamin was the fastest player in the NFL, hahaha!!!!!!!!

Funny thing about Miami is that the school has never had a great sprinter, a ton of speedy footballers but never a world class sprinter.

lefty
11-30-2015, 11:38 PM
:lmao browns

Arcadian
11-30-2015, 11:42 PM
:lol browns

Robz4000
11-30-2015, 11:43 PM
:lmao what a dumpster fire of a final two minutes

JoeTait75
12-01-2015, 12:02 AM
A kick-six was pretty much the only way the Browns hadn't lose a football game since they came back, so I guess it was long overdue. Good news is it keeps the Browns in the running for the top overall pick... which they'll probably use on another overweight, poorly conditioned interior lineman.

scanry
12-01-2015, 12:47 AM
:lol

Pelicans78
12-01-2015, 09:29 AM
Refs blow another game. That Ravens guy clearly stepped out of bounds before he scored

lefty
12-01-2015, 12:14 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVHVrAkWIAAGH1k.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVHVJ_-UwAAoMxh.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVHSaBvUAAAR1-d.jpg:large

Chinook
12-01-2015, 03:11 PM
Refs blow another game. That Ravens guy clearly stepped out of bounds before he scored

Did you just look at that fuzzy picture to tell that?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGhkZDwKrcs

Doesn't look like he stepped out to me. Doesn't even look all that close.

And as far as the neutral-zone thing that's also being circulated, the NFL said the LOS was about a foot short of the line in that picture. My guess is the center moved the ball up when he took hold of it (which is perfectly legal) and that that gave the impression the LOS was up at the 32.

JoeTait75
12-01-2015, 03:29 PM
I don't care if the Ravens were in the neutral zone or if Will Hill stepped out of bounds. The Browns needed to lose that game and they need to lose as much as possible right now. Go for 2-14.

Chinook
12-01-2015, 03:51 PM
I don't care if the Ravens were in the neutral zone or if Will Hill stepped out of bounds. The Browns needed to lose that game and they need to lose as much as possible right now. Go for 2-14.

I was that way about the Ravens losing. But now that Jax loss is galling. The Ravens would have been 5-6 with a powderpuff schedule coming up. I don't think they have the tie-breakers to get in at 9-7, so we may be looking at another 2013 where the team needs a top-10 pick but has to settle for a mid- to late-teens pick instead.

The Gemini Method
12-01-2015, 04:10 PM
Uh, you have us to play--powder-puff is incorrect, sir.

Chinook
12-01-2015, 09:25 PM
Uh, you have us to play--powder-puff is incorrect, sir.

I didn't say guaranteed 5-0. But it's not two WC trips and 5/7 away from home.