Time to Trade Patty Mills

[Nathan89]

Mills for all the good that he does has always only worked because Ginobili is the real pg when Parker is off the court. Tonight Ginobili will be out resting like many games to come. Will we lose? I would guess not but every game without Ginobili will be significantly more difficult to win and he will miss many do to rest and possibly injury this year. What will make it more difficult is the absence of Belinelli who brought some scoring ability.

Beyond that, with the loss of Joseph the team is much more reliant on Parker’s health throughout the regular season and playoffs because Mills isn’t an adequate backup pg and neither is McCallum.
Basically Mills offers no relief to two of the most vulnerable to injury players on the team. To quote Wikipedia, “In engineering (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineering), redundancy is the duplication of critical components (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Component) or functions of a system with the intention of increasing reliability of the system (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System), usually in the form of a backup or fail-safe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fail-safe).” Mills happens to not be very beneficial in that regard.

So the Spurs need someone who can shoot the three well to fit with Ginobili on the bench, be a better fit for the starting lineup than Mills or McCallum if Parker gets hurt, and possibly replace some of what we lost when Belinelli left us.

That player is Jarrett Jack. Mills would obviously have to go but Spurs should also be willing to trade KA and a first round pick if absolutely needed. Spurs should try to avoid giving the pick but the Nets can have KA. This should be appealing to the Nets since they aren’t in the best draft pick situation.
Jarrett Jack does more than solve the previously mentioned issues. He is talented enough to lessen the load every night for the other guys. He is 6’3.5 and has a 6’7.5 wingspan, so he is a much better fit in two pg lineups.

Perhaps the most beneficial thing about Jack is that he is a much better fit for a potential matchup with the Warriors. Jack has the size and defense to switch to 1 through 3 with Danny or Kawhi without being a huge liability on any given possession. To put his defense in perspective his opponents shot -0.1% worse in 2014(so normally they shot 43.1% and against him the shot 43%), they shot -0.4% worse in 2015, and so far in 2016 they have shot -1.7% worse. Parker’s opponents have shot 2.1%, 1.3%, and 10.3% better for the same years.

On the offensive end Jack will provide a pg with pg skills that can also shoot reliably from beyond the arc. Although Mills can shoot he doesn’t have the pg skills to play substantial minutes without Manu to share the court with him. Now that Kawhi is the player with the highest usage on the team surrounding him with three point shooters who aren’t just shooters like Green is a necessity. An offense cannot possibly flourish when the highest usage player is surrounded by only one three point shooter.

[ceperez]

WTF?

And lose the heart and soul of the Spurs?????!

You sir should be permanently banned.

[james evans]

I definitely would not trade Patty Hearst(it's what I call him), but for Jarret Jack I'd consider it. Shit, why not just trade Parker for Jack. That's a better deal.

[Robz4000]

:rollin wow

[RD2191]

Agreed. Patty Mills is garbage.

[Mr. Body]

Him plus draft picks for Mario Chalmers.

[Spurtacular]

Mills is the Spurs quickest player. At times, he's the best three point shooter. He can score without having to be set up. He takes momentum changing charges. And he's paid well below market value. To trade him borders on preposterous.

[spurtech09]

Spurs need to give Ray some run.....Patty gives us some 3pt. shooting.....No thanks....

[spursistan]

:lol currently one of the top 10 bargain deals in the NBA..Nope..as if this team isn't starved enough of shooting..

[bdictjames]

Patty spaces the floor well, knows the system, and the team is automatically better with him on the court. With Duncan and Manu retiring over the next few years, I don't think we can afford a backup PG still learning the system at this time.

[cd98]

I saw him play in person against Denver without Manu. He was a top performer and his shooting made a huge difference. He doesn't need Manu to be a scorer, though he certainly plays best with Manu in the lineup (as does every Spur). That said, you'll hopefully see plenty of Manu and Mills in the playoffs. That's why we won't trade him...he's a stalwart playoff performer and hypothetically Manu will be playing in the playoffs.

[Spurtacular]

Spurs need to give Ray some run..

:whine

Nah.

[baseline bum]

Parker’s opponents have shot 2.1%, 1.3%, and 10.3% better for the same years.


Damn I knew Parker's defense has been horrible this year, but 10.3%? He's basically 2015 Playoffs Parker. Who is he going to guard against Golden State?

[baseline bum]

I definitely would not trade Patty Hearst(it's what I call him), but for Jarret Jack I'd consider it. Shit, why not just trade Parker for Jack. That's a better deal.

No one wants Parker's contract now.

[Mugen]

I agree that a 12-3 team should be looking to shake things up tbh.

[NASpurs]

Someone has gone full retard.

[SupremeGuy]

:lol

[SAGirl]

I agree that a 12-3 team should be looking to shake things up tbh.
:lmao

[benefactor]

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/645/732/6a9.gif

[DJR210]

:lmao

[DJR210]

Someone has gone full retard.

[kaji157]

Unless you are getting a near starter level PG or a rookie with potential upside it doesn´t make any sense to trade away more system players for someone who doesn´t know the system in the middle of the run.

In the preseason it might be an option, but not now.

[Gametight]

OP must be smoking that shit....

[SAGirl]

I don't know anything about Jarret Jack and maybe the Nets would be interested in that trade, but for our side:

Giving up Mills, Anderson and a 1st round pick???
Too much.
That is a trade you make if someone has a season ending injury or something urgent, critical and non-fixable.

Other than that, I have to give you the Pop old speech: the chemistry, character, fit issues.

I read an interview in the paper by Pop concerning Mills when he was up to renew his contract two summers ago. Pop told the press that as long as the Spurs could afford him, we would always keep him, not only because of his shooting and energy off the bench, but because he is such a high character guy in the locker room. Take it as you will. Mills is here to stay. I actually kind of think that the Spurs going after a playmaking forward in Anderson, and another playmaking SG project in Simmons, is Pop anticipating the need to have passers in a bench where Mills is still an important scorer post-Ginobili.

So, bottom line for me, both Mills and Anderson are in our future long term plans. Simmons may or may not turn out as a projected (hopefully he does, bc his athleticism and defense next to Mills and Anderson, plus his slashing and passing would be much welcome). You just look at what Spurs have done, and you can kind of guess where they are going.

Pop just naturally brings guys along slow, that is no knock on Anderson and Simmons at this point. But if we have a season ending injury to someone, that is a different scenario.

[jeebus]

Patty is solid and Ray is a better 3rd stringer than CancerJo will ever be. However, the Spurs need to trade Slow Faggot for a 2nd rounder in 2024 and take Boner out back and shoot him in the head with a nail gun.

[Cry Havoc]

We should trade Ray for LeBron while we're at it. And then flip West for Durant or Anthony Davis. :tu I like the way you think, OP.

[SouthernFried]

Uh...hmmm. Ughhh, pfffft....not worth my time.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

http://i.imgur.com/dnJBOxM.jpg

[jkid12456]

wow i thought no one could get more worse than rob diaz..

[ElNono]

<fart>

[TheGreatYacht]

I definitely would not trade Patty Hearst(it's what I call him), but for Jarret Jack I'd consider it. Shit, why not just trade Parker for Jack. That's a better deal.
If we're talking better deals for the team, might as well trade two max role players... Kawhi for Joe Johnson. One's hideous contract just started while the other is about to end.

KawhISO for ISO Joe. Do it RC

[gambit1990]

nah.

[HarlemHeat37]

Jarrett Jack would be an awful fit for the Spurs:lol

[cheguevara]

LOL mills is a great backup PG

[Nathan89]

LOL mills is a great backup PG

Mills is one of my favorite players and I recognize him as being a great backup pg. I just prefer to trade for Jack because I think he can help us against our biggest threat and he makes the team less vulnerable to rest and injury.

[DAF86]

Mills is one of my favorite players and I recognize him as being a great backup pg. I just prefer to trade for Jack because I think he can help us against our biggest threat and he makes the team less vulnerable to rest and injury.

Dude no, just no.

Mills is one of the best backup PGs out there. Is a luxury to have a guy with that kid of shooting, speed and attitude (inside and outside the court) coming off the bench.

[Kawhitstorm]

Jarrett Jack would be an awful fit for the Spurs:lol

Gary Neal 2.0 except he shoots pulls up 2s instead of 3s:lol

[BillMc]

No way you get equal value (on court and off court) for that contract.

[cjw]

Jarrett Jack would be an awful fit for the Spurs:lol

Yup. I'll be the first to admit that I was tricked by Jack's series against the Spurs in '13, when in fact he's a chucker that belongs on a bad team. He's a 35% three point shooter, while Patty is in the low 40s. Huge difference there.

Also, how the hell are the Spurs going to trade for $6.3 million in salary for this year (and next) when Patty makes half of that?

I honestly stopped reading the OP's post at Jack. Classic example of someone who doesn't watch someone play and just looks at his counting stats in limited sample size this year.

[Sean Cagney]

Jarrett Jack would be an awful fit for the Spurs:lol

I agree 100%, selfish dude who just jacks up shots. No thanks.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Mills is one of my favorite players and I recognize him as being a great backup pg. I just prefer to trade for Jack because I think he can help us against our biggest threat and he makes the team less vulnerable to rest and injury.
lol bernie cuck faggot, you dont know shit about basketball

[gambit1990]

wait, so your idea is to trade patty mills for jarrett jack? :lol i honestly didn't read the post before i replied no cause the title was so dumb.

Mills would obviously have to go but Spurs should also be willing to trade KA and a first round pick if absolutely needed.
:rollin
yeah, the spurs are in desperate need to trade a guard who led all scorers in the 2012 olympics for one who's slower and five years older :lol
hopefully you don't consider this one of your better basketball takes :lol

[100%duncan]

Jarrett jack :lmao

[ViceCity86]

Why? He's better than the starter.

[SpursIndonesia]

As long the Spurs have Manu, then Mills is still a keeper. When the great Argentinean calls it a day, all bets are off.

[mookie2001]

Mills is our worst player now if yall have been watching. An occasional 3 isn't worth keeping his sorry self around

[Keepin' it real]

Time to trade Patty ...


http://i.imgur.com/iWKad22.jpg?fb

[dabom]

Patty is money in the playoffs. Why do you wanna trade money in the playoffs?

[cjw]

How does Jack "help against the biggest rival" and "make the team less vulnerable to rest/injury"? Pure conjecture?

[exstatic]

Jarrett Jack would be an awful fit for the Spurs:lol

I know, right? People bitch about TP being score first. Jack makes him look like Stockton. :lol

[RD2191]

Crofl @ anyone calling Mills a PG. And anyone calling him a great PG should just end it all.

[RD2191]

Mills is our worst player now if yall have been watching. An occasional 3 isn't worth keeping his sorry self around
Someone who isn't a complete moron.

[RD2191]

And just a refresher here, Mills was a huge part of us losing to the Clips last season. Auscrub Rivers made him his bitch.

[RD2191]

https://youtu.be/2YaQAVQgG3Y

[Sean Cagney]

Crofl @ anyone calling Mills a PG. And anyone calling him a great PG should just end it all.

He is a SG in a PG body so to speak, Manu is the PG in reality in that 2nd unit. Mills gets hot and can hit some shots though so I like that, but seriously he is not an NBA PG.

[RD2191]

And Pop is a dumbass too. Cojo and his defense just wasting away in that series.

[RD2191]

He is a SG in a PG body so to speak, Manu is the PG in reality in that 2nd unit. Mills gets hot and can hit some shots though so I like that, but seriously he is not an NBA PG.
It's just crazy how much of a pass he gets here tbh. Sure, he can get hot and hit some 3s but by then he's already given up 6-8 points on defense.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Damn I knew Parker's defense has been horrible this year, but 10.3%? He's basically 2015 Playoffs Parker. Who is he going to guard against Golden State?

I've been having nightmares about this, tbh

[mookie2001]

At least Cory Joseph could pound it out. Had a little power dribble to his game. Mills is in a long stretch of shooting % in the 30s with 6 points per game that's with Tony, as the backup, without Manu, with Manu. Current performance is not gonna cut it combined with being our worst defensive player and regularly getting burned by any above average guard.

5 years in SA already so naturally a lot of people would say it's over for him.

[RD2191]

He is a SG in a PG body so to speak, Manu is the PG in reality in that 2nd unit. Mills gets hot and can hit some shots though so I like that, but seriously he is not an NBA PG.
Double post. My bad.

[Nathan89]

Crofl @ anyone calling Mills a PG. And anyone calling him a great PG should just end it all.

Agreed. Although I called him a "great backup pg" in one of my posts I really just see him as a great bench player because he isn't a pg.


And just a refresher here, Mills was a huge part of us losing to the Clips last season. Auscrub Rivers made him his bitch.

Yeah, Jack's size would've been much better with dealing with Rivers.

[Nathan89]

Should've expected nothing less than spurstalk to defend a fan favorite like Mills. Jack minimizes the loss of Cojo and Belinelli to the team. As well as helps with the over reliance on Manu and Parker. Lastly he helps against the Warriors.

[Sean Cagney]

It's just crazy how much of a pass he gets here tbh. Sure, he can get hot and hit some 3s but by then he's already given up 6-8 points on defense.

When some were talking about Trading Tony or this or that I always asked who on the team would be the PG then? They surely don't think Mills is a starting PG in the NBA? If so they are in for a rude awakening to have that guy start games at the PG position. He can get hot and hit threes in bundles and that is his specialty, period.

Tony is silently having a good year and looks a lot better than last year yet some are still hating on the dude.

[Nathan89]

Perhaps the most beneficial thing about Jack is that he is a much better fit for a potential matchup with the Warriors. Jack has the size and defense to switch to 1 through 3 with Danny or Kawhi without being a huge liability on any given possession. To put his defense in perspective his opponents shot -0.1% worse in 2014(so normally they shot 43.1% and against him the shot 43%), they shot -0.4% worse in 2015, and so far in 2016 they have shot -1.7% worse. Parker’s opponents have shot 2.1%, 1.3%, and 10.3% better for the same years.



:wakeup

[gambit1990]

Mills is one of my favorite players and I recognize him as being a great backup pg. I just prefer to trade for Jack because I think he can help us against our biggest threat and he makes the team less vulnerable to rest and injury.
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/2335de9e39e86189df2079f052ebb5208e6bc363/c=0-0-2882-2167&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/2016/01/03/USATODAY/USATODAY/635874269255260320-AP-Nets-Celtics-Basketball.jpg

wait, so your idea is to trade patty mills for jarrett jack? :lol i honestly didn't read the post before i replied no cause the title was so dumb.
^circa november

[Nathan89]

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/2335de9e39e86189df2079f052ebb5208e6bc363/c=0-0-2882-2167&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/2016/01/03/USATODAY/USATODAY/635874269255260320-AP-Nets-Celtics-Basketball.jpg

^circa november

Anyone can get injured you idiot.

[gambit1990]

Anyone can get injured you idiot.
no shit.

but you were the one who said he'd make us less vulnerable to injury :lol

like that's even a thing someone could judge :rollin
and if someone could... you obviously couldn't.

[Nathan89]

no shit.

but you were the one who said he'd make us less vulnerable to injury :lol

like that's even a thing someone could judge :rollin
and if someone could... you obviously couldn't.

No. Nice strawman though. My point was never that he individually was less likely to get injured than any other player.

[dabom]

:lmao













OP a faggot. :lmao

[gambit1990]

My point was never that he individually was less likely to get injured than any other player.

I just prefer to trade for Jack because I think he can help us against our biggest threat and he makes the team less vulnerable to rest and injury.

but aside from that... even if jarrett jack was 100% healthy... your trade proposal would still be dumb as shit.

[james evans]

hahaha

[Nathan89]

but aside from that... even if jarrett jack was 100% healthy... your trade proposal would still be dumb as shit.

Yeah, you cherry picked a line and left out all context.

You can make a point about the trade if you want but stop the strawman arguments tbh.

[dabom]

Yeah, you cherry picked a line and left out all context.

You can make a point about the trade if you want but stop the strawman arguments tbh.

Doesn't matter what he cherry picked. The thread title is enough faggot. :lmao

[100%duncan]

Yeah, you cherry picked a line and left out all context.

You can make a point about the trade if you want but stop the strawman arguments tbh.

Just take the L bro

[Fireball]

Manu's injury really lit a fire under Patty's ass again ... keep it up!