How important is Bobo?

[Silver&Black]

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We'll go with a 1-10 scale....

1=We wouldn't miss Bobo if he sat on the bench the rest of the year
10=We go as far as Bobo takes us



I'll go with a soft 5. He's not Kawhi/LMA important....I just think he can be the x-factor against a lot of other team's benches. Especially when they switch the little fellas on him.

[Chris]

10

[BillMc]

Easily a 7. Given Manu's age, he's got to be the principle playmaker off the bench quite often.

[DAF86]

He's very, very important. A case could be made for him being the second most important Spur behind Kawhi, imho. We don't have another guy that can do what Boris does on the roster, and what he does in very conductive to winning basketball, tbh.

[Mugen]

If the Spurs have any chance of beating the Warriors, Boris would have to have a really, really good series against them tbh.

[Nathan89]

10. He's going to have to be really aggressive and play like an all-star vs the Warriors and possible some other teams.

[Kool Bob Love]

Ops a Kawhi stan. Not suprise with the rating he gave Diaw. Great deflect thread btw. :tu

[Mr. Body]

Most of the time, not really, but then he'll pop up unexpectedly as a huge key.

[EVAY]

7

[Silver&Black]

Ops a Kawhi stan. Not suprise with the rating he gave Diaw. Great deflect thread btw. :tu

:cat

[UNT Eagles 2016]

8

[ElNono]

He's a 7-8 for the Spurs. I don't think he would be a 7-8 for other teams though... depending on the team I guess..

[Silver&Black]

I don't think 5 is too far off. (I know I might be underestimating my guy)

6 is probably more realistic....
7 is probably a little bit of a stretch IMO...

[Johnny RIngo]

He's the only French player on the roster that's actually dependable come playoff time. Extremely important I'd say.

[100%duncan]

5 is too low. 8-9

[DarrinS]

No 5 without Bobo

[Silver&Black]

5 is too low. 8-9

Yeah but 8-9 would be assuming that Bobo is going to be the #1 or #2 most important guy on the team...

You think he'll get the heavy minutes come playoff time to be that guy?

[DAF86]

Yeah but 8-9 would be assuming that Bobo is going to be the #1 or #2 most important guy on the team...

He might pretty damn well be. We lost in '13 by not playing Boris enough and we won in '14 because Pop realized that. When the season's crunch time arrives you can bet Diaw's big ass that he will be out-there alongside whoever is playing better out of Tim or Aldridge.

Him and Leonard are the only guys that I know for sure will be there in crunch time.

[Mr. Body]

Diaw barely ever gets crunch time minutes, what are you talking about? Kawhi-Duncan-Aldridge will close out games from the front court.

[Chris]

He might pretty damn well be. We lost in '13 by not playing Boris enough and we won in '14 because Pop realized that. When the season's crunch time arrives you can bet Diaw's big ass that he will be out-there alongside whoever is playing better out of Tim or Aldridge.

Him and Leonard are the only guys that I know for sure will be there in crunch time.

Yup, we don't ring in '14 without Bobo and his incredible defense in the clutch on Lebron. He is a mismatch for a lot of defenders and his incredible passing cannot be replaced by any current big on the roster imo

[RD2191]

7 tbh. Can't go any higher than that.

[DAF86]

Diaw barely ever gets crunch time minutes, what are you talking about? Kawhi-Duncan-Aldridge will close out games from the front court.

The Spurs barely get crunch time minutes. When the going gets tough, the games start to really matter and the teams faced are actually good teams you will see Boris in there. Like you saw him against the Thunder and Miami on '14 and the Clippers last season.

[YGWHI]

Aggressive Bobo like tonight =10

Average Bobo = 7

[Silver&Black]

He might pretty damn well be. We lost in '13 by not playing Boris enough and we won in '14 because Pop realized that. When the season's crunch time arrives you can bet Diaw's big ass that he will be out-there alongside whoever is playing better out of Tim or Aldridge.

Him and Leonard are the only guys that I know for sure will be there in crunch time.

Of course...we don't ring without Bobo. His infusion into the starting lineup proved to be vital in that series.

But, in our first playoff series this year and it's 2:00 minutes to go...tie game. Like Mr. Body said...I'm thinking Timmy/LMA/Kawhi will be on the floor. Diaw will more than likely be on the bench (unless the injury bug bites one of them...knock on wood).

You can't be a 8-9 type guy and be sitting on the bench in that scenario....

[FkLA]

Diaw >>> Lee tbh

[DAF86]

Of course...we don't ring without Bobo. His infusion into the starting lineup proved to be vital in that series.

But, in our first playoff series this year and it's 2:00 minutes to go...tie game. Like Mr. Body said...I'm thinking Timmy/LMA/Kawhi will be on the floor. Diaw will more than likely be on the bench (unless the injury bug bites one of them...knock on wood).

You can't be a 8-9 type guy and be sitting on the bench in that scenario....

Do you really think Pop will have a LMA/Timmy froncourt vs the Warriors' small-ball crunch time unit? Not happening son.

[Robz4000]

6 tbh.

[Spurs9]

10 tbqhimo
:edit misread thread title as Boban :lol

[Silver&Black]

Do you really think Pop will have a LMA/Timmy froncourt vs the Warriors' small-ball crunch time unit? Not happening son.

"in our first playoff series"....we're not playing the Warriors in the 1st round.

[DAF86]

"in our first playoff series"....we're not playing the Warriors in the 1st round.

My bad son, I missed that part. Either way, we know that the crunch time of the season will come against the Warriors on the WCF and there Boris will be vital.

[Silver&Black]

10 tbqhimo
:edit misread thread title as Boban :lol

:lmao It's all good...no worries

[Hoops Czar]

He might pretty damn well be. We lost in '13 by not playing Boris enough and we won in '14 because Pop realized that. When the season's crunch time arrives you can bet Diaw's big ass that he will be out-there alongside whoever is playing better out of Tim or Aldridge.

Him and Leonard are the only guys that I know for sure will be there in crunch time.

That's not even half true.They lost because Leonard and Manu missed free throws and Pop had Duncan on the bench for the last second three by Ray Allen that shouldn't have been. Don't confuse the facts. Boris is a 4 because there are 6 players on the roster that are more important. Of course, Diaw is important but he can't backup TP or Ginobili at the point, can't knock down three's and play perimeter defense like Danny, can't lock down opponent's best scoring threat like Leonard, isn't the scorer and low post defender LMA is and no, he's not Tim Duncan.

[Silver&Black]

My bad son, I missed that part. Either way, we know that the crunch time of the season will come against the Warriors on the WCF and there Boris will be vital.

Yeah...I know what you mean. But, you've got to win the other two series first. We all thought Spurs in 6 against the Clippers last year...and you know how that went.

[DAF86]

That's not even half true.They lost because Leonard and Manu missed free throws and Pop had Duncan on the bench for the last second three by Ray Allen that shouldn't have been. Don't confuse the facts. Boris is a 4 because there are 6 players on the roster that are more important. Of course, Diaw is important but he can't backup TP or Ginobili at the point, can't knock down three's and play perimeter defense like Danny, can't lock down opponent's best scoring threat like Leonard, isn't the scorer and low post defender LMA is and no, he's not Tim Duncan.

Yeah, we don't lose that series if a number of things would have gone different. As you said, if Manu or Kawhi would have made their FTs, if we would have got that rebound, if Tony hadn't gone 6 of 23 AND if Pop had realized a year earlier that Boris was a matchup advantage against that Heat's team. Shit wouldn't have come down to a missed FT or an offensive rebound if Boris would have played more. So yeah, not only what I said is half true, is fully true and then some, tbh.

[DAF86]

Yeah...I know what you mean. But, you've got to win the other two series first. We all thought Spurs in 6 against the Clippers last year...and you know how that went.

Not me, tbh.

[Hoops Czar]

Yeah, we don't lose that series if a number of things would have gone different. As you said, if Manu or Kawhi would have made their FTs, if we would have got that rebound, if Tony hadn't gone 6 of 23 AND if Pop had realized a year earlier that Boris was a matchup advantage against that Heat's team. Shit wouldn't have come down to a missed FT or an offensive rebound if Boris would have played more. So yeah, not only what I said is half true, is fully true and then some, tbh.

You understand the difference between opinion and fact, right? Manu and Kawhi missing FTs are FACTS; Duncan on the bench for Miami's final regular season possession which resulted in a missed rebound that ultimately resulted in a game tying miracle three by Ray Allen is a FACT; Whether or not Boris played more minutes and exploited a matchup advantage is an OPINION and totally subjective. There's no proof that had he played more, the Spurs would have won the series. He certainly didn't do anything out of the ordinary in the two regular season games vs the Heat. How was Pop suppose to know Diaw was the key to the whole series. He's not psychic.

[DAF86]

You understand the difference between opinion and fact, right? Manu and Kawhi missing FTs are FACTS; Duncan on the bench for Miami's final regular season possession which resulted in a missed rebound that ultimately resulted in a game tying miracle three by Ray Allen is a FACT; Whether or not Boris played more minutes and exploited a matchup advantage is an OPINION and totally subjective. There's no proof that had he played more, the Spurs would have won the series. He certainly didn't do anything out of the ordinary in the two regular season games vs the Heat. How was Pop suppose to know Diaw was the key to the whole series. He's not psychic.

How is saying that Duncan would have gotten the rebound had he been on the court a "FACT!"? :lol

You want facts? I will give you facts. Diaw played a total of 94 minutes on the span of 7 games in '13 and the Spurs lost. He played 176 minutes on 5 games in '14 and the Spurs won by annihilation.

[Kool Bob Love]

:cat

Putting Diaw at a 5 with that avy. pathetic

[SAGirl]

He's very, very important. A case could be made for him being the second most important Spur behind Kawhi, imho. We don't have another guy that can do what Boris does on the roster, and what he does in very conductive to winning basketball, tbh.
He's also been super healthy and available to play for the past few seasons, so we don't really know what we really are without him if he isn't available. I'll go with an 8. The league is going super small and Boris so far has not dissappointed against small ball. In time Kyle might surpass him just because his length and real ability to defend on the perimeter is better than Boris, specially contesting shooters, but he's not yet able to punish mismatches like Boris can. Still early in his career though and trained by the Spurs who knows how far he will eventually go.

For now, Bobo is irreplaceable.

[Hoops Czar]

How is saying that Duncan would have gotten the rebound had he been on the court a "FACT!"? :lol

You want facts? I will give you facts. Diaw played a total of 94 minutes on the span of 7 games in '13 and the Spurs lost. He played 176 minutes on 5 games in '14 and the Spurs won by annihilation.

I never said Duncan would have gotten the rebound. I was implying Duncan, the Spurs best rebounder, was on the bench (FACT) for Miami's final regular season possession when he should have been on the court. I don't think that's being subjective. Correlation doesn't imply causation. The Spurs were a much better and more focused team in 2014 than they were in 2013. Miami was better in 2013 than they were in 2014. Chris Bosh and D-Wade were non existent for much of the series and Lebron was gassed from carrying the Heat all season. Heat had very little bench production. Boris played tremendous in that series but so did Duncan, Leonard, Green and Ginobili. However, that still doesn't mean he would have made a difference in 2013.

[DAF86]

I never said Duncan would have gotten the rebound. I was implying Duncan, the Spurs best rebounder, was on the bench (FACT) for Miami's final regular season possession when he should have been on the court. I don't think that's being subjective. Correlation doesn't imply causation. The Spurs were a much better and more focused team in 2014 than they were in 2013. Miami was better in 2013 than they were in 2014. Chris Bosh and D-Wade were non existent for much of the series and Lebron was gassed from carrying the Heat all season. Heat had very little bench production. Boris played tremendous in that series but so did Duncan, Leonard, Green and Ginobili. However, that still doesn't mean he would have made a difference in 2013.

No, it doesn't necesarily mean that but one could say that is a very reasonable argument. Just like saying Duncan would have gotten the rebound had he been there at the end.

[100%duncan]

Yeah but 8-9 would be assuming that Bobo is going to be the #1 or #2 most important guy on the team...

You think he'll get the heavy minutes come playoff time to be that guy?

You can have many guys with 8-10 importance...

For example, Kawhi, Tim, Manu, Bobo, LMA can have the same "level" of importance.

Look at 2014, and even last playoffs, Bobo was the guy Pop went to when nobody wanted to take the shot.

[DMC]

No Diaw no chance. That important.

[Silver&Black]

Putting Diaw at a 5 with that avy. pathetic

You wanna know what I find so funny about you?

When I would talk shit about all the guys who constantly bashed Parker you would reply with things like, "I'm so happy S&B got bolded" and other extremely nice things. (Do you want to go to pull up all those posts?)

When I do the SAME EXACT thing about you with Kawhi....now I'm a faggot and a "Kawhi-stan". I haven't changed KBL....I'm calling you fuckers out just the same as I called the Parker haters out.

Seriously dude....in a Boris Diaw thread....you bring up Kawhi's off night with your first post. Talk about pathetic....

[Silver&Black]

You can have many guys with 8-10 importance...

For example, Kawhi, Tim, Manu, Bobo, LMA can have the same "level" of importance.

Look at 2014, and even last playoffs, Bobo was the guy Pop went to when nobody wanted to take the shot.

He's important....no doubt. I just can't put him in the same echelon as LMA and Kawhi....no matter how much I root for the guy I just can't do it.

I just look at the 1-10 scale a little differently than most here. Doesn't mean I hate the guy....like the catman obviously assumes I do.

It's okay 100%....we just agree to disagree. No harm, no foul.

[ceperez]

Automatic guaranteed offense anytime he puts his mind to it. He's got too many weapons and can always create for himself.

[100%duncan]

He's important....no doubt. I just can't put him in the same echelon as LMA and Kawhi....no matter how much I root for the guy I just can't do it.

I just look at the 1-10 scale a little differently than most here. Doesn't mean I hate the guy....like the catman obviously assumes I do.

It's okay 100%....we just agree to disagree. No harm, no foul.

Well yah. I just really think 5 is wrong IMHO. To put it simply ,I agree with DMC, no diaw no chance. :toast

[mystargtr34]

Solid 8 imo.. as DAF says.. he's so crucial due to his flexibility he gives us.. against the Warriors he will probably be the second most important Spur after Kawhi.. against the Thunder and Clippers he's arguably 3a or 3b with LMA after Kawhi and Tim.

[Proxy]

whatever number that stands for 'vital'

[K...]

4. An aggressive kawhi will be the biggest thing. BOBO was more important b/c splitter was kind of limited on offense to pick and roll stuff. with LMA we can do more offensive sets and are more likely to bench duncan than lma. Bobo duncan is a pretty killer lineup, but Duncan WEst is nice too. Duncan kawhi is good too. WE have so much depth that he's not critical. add second year Kyle as a passable player, and hope simmons figures it out.

Now, it is very good to be switching up looks from series to series, game to game even. Bobo will get his chance to be Aplha cat.

[look_at_g_shred]

6

[Keepin' it real]

Diaw's importance is overstated on spurstalk.com. Yes, Diaw is good. Yes, he helps the 2nd team as a facilitator and semi-occasional low post scorer. But his defense is average at best and he passes up WAY too many easy looks for the sake of "making the extra pass."

As David West gets more experience in the Spurs system, he'll make Diaw expendable -- a decent trade chip if needed.

I'm not saying to trade Diaw by any means. I love him on the Spurs. He is great for team chemistry, and along with West, gives us great depth and experience. But he is one of the few players the Spurs could afford to give up without skipping a beat (due to the presumed acclimation of West).

With all that said, I agree with OP's initial assessment. Diaw's importance is about a 5 on a 1-10 scale. If West had not signed with the Spurs, Diaw's importance would be closer to 7.

[TXstbobcat]

I'll go with 7. :bobo

[Spur|n|Austin]

hard 7.

[Darius McCrary]

Ever since we got him the Spurs have become an elite team, and we were just good previously.

[Darius McCrary]

We're so fucking spoiled.

Diaw off the bench is just fucking nasty, but we're all used to it at this point.

[pgardn]

Regular season 7

Through the playoffs to a possible championship
10+

We won't win a championship without him. Duncan and Diaw are the smartest bigs in the league.

[Silver&Black]

Diaw off the bench is just fucking nasty

Agreed. He's a matchup nightmare for a lot of other teams benches.

Last year against the Clippers he couldn't hit the 3 ball...and we struggled something fierce because of it. Whether or not Bobo should be shooting 3s is another discussion...I'm all for it. Most of his 3 point attempts come from good ball movement and he's wide ass open. I'm perfectly fine with him shooting them....some people disagree though...and I can understand their point. His back to the basket game is too good (especially when some 6 foot tall scrub is switched on him) not to go to the bucket.

[SouthernFried]

Diaw is one of the smartest players on a team...that is loaded with smart players. Got the court vision and awareness of Manu, with the body of LMA. One of the best back down dribblers in the NBA. Come up with your own numbers. I consider him a 10.

[ceperez]

Agreed. He's a matchup nightmare for a lot of other teams benches.

Last year against the Clippers he couldn't hit the 3 ball...and we struggled something fierce because of it. Whether or not Bobo should be shooting 3s is another discussion...I'm all for it. Most of his 3 point attempts come from good ball movement and he's wide ass open. I'm perfectly fine with him shooting them....some people disagree though...and I can understand their point. His back to the basket game is too good (especially when some 6 foot tall scrub is switched on him) not to go to the bucket.

Diaw will always get wide open 3's and he should take it every time! What frustrates everyone that he's sometimes checked out and doesn't take that 3.

Anyway, when he's focused, he's at least the 2nd best player on the team after Leonard.

[Canyonero]

7

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[turb0time]

We def need Bobo against the Dubs.