What makes the Warriors so good?

[skut_farkus]

Watching the Warriors and it's almost like they are leagues above their competition and at the flick of a switch or Currys wrist they can turn it on and pull away from any team late in games.

But just looking at the team it's still hard to figure out what makes them this great, Curry? Green? Coaching? A roster of complimentary pieces? It's really quite impressive tbh nothing on their roster stands out like many of the all time great teams that they have become.

[Silver&Black]

Addition by subtraction....

http://thatsenuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/markjacksonwarriors.jpg

[baseline bum]

They're an athletic and versatile team, but Curry being able to throw up a good shot anywhere inside of 30 feet is what is making them a nightmare. How do you guard that?

[Robz4000]

They're an athletic and versatile team, but Curry being able to throw up a good shot anywhere inside of 30 feet is what is making them a nightmare. How do you guard that?

The Amare treatment prolly needs to be put into effect. Let Curry go for 60 and shut everyone else down. As long as you make him work on the other end he'll wear down and start missing.

[baseline bum]

The Amare treatment prolly needs to be put into effect. Let Curry go for 60 and shut everyone else down. As long as you make him work on the other end he'll wear down and start missing.

Problem is Curry could actually go for 60 running the Amare defense.

[Kawhitstorm]

Have you seen them play when Curry is on the bench?:lol

[skut_farkus]

Harrison Barnes has also been great for them. At least two games this season late in the 4th he has put the team on his back

[Robz4000]

Problem is Curry could actually go for 60 running the Amare defense.

That's fine if you limit everyone else to 30-40 points. They rely so much on the attention Curry receives that if he's too worn down their offense becomes very containable. Much easier said than done tho.

[Mr Bones]

Iggy, Green, Klay, and Bogut all actually want to play defense... that's rare. It'll be interesting to see their record this year if Curry misses some games with injuries... I think some people assume they'd start losing, but I think they'd still be a pretty good team.

[Kawhitstorm]

That's fine if you limit everyone else to 30-40 points. They rely so much on the attention Curry receives that if he's too worn down their offense becomes very containable. Much easier said than done tho.

He could easily drop 80 (20 a quarter) if teams play him soft:lol. The Amare defense would actually be let Draymond shoot every time on the pick-n-pop.

[resistanze]

:lol Is anybody watching this shit? Never have I seen a shooter like this before.

[Kawhitstorm]

:lol Is anybody watching this shit? Never have I seen a shooter like this before.

Trap the mothafucka in a halfcourt set & dare Draymond to launch 3s or hack Bogut/Ezeli/Iggy if he has the ball on a fastbreak, tbh:lol.

[Kawhitstorm]

LoL @ Curry being 1-4 from the FT line, hack-a-Curry?

[Robz4000]

He could easily drop 80 (20 a quarter) if teams play him soft:lol. The Amare defense would actually be let Draymond shoot every time on the pick-n-pop.

If Porker plays D like he has most of the year so far, he could force him into some difficult looks. Turning Draymond into a volume shooter is pretty difficult to do and he's a great passer as well, so he's likely to find some teammates by passing out of the block/high post.

[Lebron4MVP]

The Cavs have the team to do it, if healthy. The Warriors had everything go their way last season. The Cavs gave them trouble with a depleted team. They will beat them if they are healthy this time around. Hell, I don't even see the Warriors winning the west if they have to face the Spurs.

[DarrinS]

Talent and good coaching. Copying a proven system helps, too.

[ParadoxEN]

They're not that good.

[resistanze]

LoL @ Curry being 1-4 from the FT line, hack-a-Curry?

Missed a few against Toronto too, he's slipping.

[Kawhitstorm]

If Porker plays D like he has most of the year so far, he could force him into some difficult looks. Turning Draymond into a volume shooter is pretty difficult to do and he's a great passer as well, so he's likely to find some teammates by passing out of the block/high post.

Leave him open & stay on the other guy while trapping Curry. Rotate when he tries to drive (no need to trap Curry when he doesn't have the ball) & meet him at the rim. Basically give him every shot he want outside of the restricted area. The Cavs essentially turned Iggy (a guy who sometime doesn't take shot for an ENTIRE game) in a volume shooter, so it's doable.

[Kawhitstorm]

Missed a few against Toronto too, he's slipping.

Should move back ala Van Exel

[spurraider21]

Leave him open & stay on the other guy while trapping Curry. Rotate when he tries to drive (no need to trap Curry when he doesn't have the ball) & meet him at the rim. Basically give him every shot he want outside of the restricted area. The Cavs essentially turned Iggy (a guy who sometime doesn't take shot for an ENTIRE game) in a volume shooter, so it's doable.
iggy averaged like 12 shots a game

[Kawhitstorm]

iggy averaged like 12 shots a game

The pace was slow & he didn't start until Gm 4. He also got hacked a bunch of times in Gm 5.

[Reck]

Correct me if I'm wrong but have they face the top teams in the west yet? They haven't gone against the Spurs or Thunder yet.

Or the cavs..etc..

Warriors have gotten lucky on a few games so they should have loss already.

[Kawhitstorm]

Correct me if I'm wrong but have they face the top teams in the west yet? They haven't gone against the Spurs or Thunder yet.

Or the cavs..etc..

Warriors have gotten lucky on a few games so they should have loss already.

The Clippers(2X) are the only legit team they have faced from the West & the Raptors (2X) from the East. They basically could have easily lost all 4 games.

[TDMVPDPOY]

force green to shoot

play mind games with klay that his better then curry (hopefully he chucks or doesnt defer)

lock down curry...

[Killakobe81]

Lol some if yall make it sound easy

[baseline bum]

They're not that good.

Third longest win streak in NBA history right now. About the only team to do this and not win a title is the Rockets.

[Nathan89]

Best player in the league. Best surrounding players in the league(meaning everyone after the top guy).

The team has a bunch of great three point shooters. Their top guys rarely have awful nights so the variance is minimized. Having so many other shooters also minimizes the variance.

Their defense is also good. The only way to stand a chance is through ball movement to get easy shots. Otherwise the Warriors are always going to be more efficient at scoring.

[apalisoc_9]

Teams need to trap curry early not close to to yhe three line. Green is a great playmaker but if you force him to make 3 dribbles instead of 2 hes not as effective.

[Mitch]

:lol armchair coaches here thinking they have the solution to Curry & the Warriors.

This is the best team in the NBA as long as nobody is hurt, the gap between #1 and #2,#3 is big right now in terms of team ability.

[Venti Quattro]

:lol Is anybody watching this shit? Never have I seen a shooter like this before.

2k Steph is worse than real-life Steph. Never has that shit happened, even with LeBron

[~O~]

Ok. I'll answer everyone's posts in one post.

What makes Golden State great is that their offense is based of other elite offenses. Small ball and stretch 4, Stan Van Gundy and D'Antoni. Ball movement and plays; San Antonio Spurs. Small ball, Phoenix Suns. Defensive principles? San Antonio Spurs.

Their also led by a coach who didn't have the elite athleticism but played in the systems two dynamic successful systems to win 5 rings as a player and 1 as a coach. He had all the mind to coach and motivate. Kerr also had general manager experience which means he knew scouting. Marc Jackson was not the proper motivator and leader for this team and didn't have the adequate experience Kerr had. Its no doubt why they excelled under Kerr because they learned what it takes to be elite.

The Warriors are composed of players who were deemed inadequate(green, bogut), diamond in the rough (livingston and iguodala), scapegoated (ezeli), and concluded to be a non franchise championship elite player (curry). All this compilation is perfect..in every way.


Specifically, their work ethic is unparalleled. They move off ball constantly. Everyone knows the plays including the rookies. They do not stop executing no matter how large the lead which prevents them from becoming careless. All their players are confident in themselves no matter. Everyone shoots in rhythm with no hitches. Their shooting overshadows that they're a top ten defense because they receive too many possessions and play at a high pace which allows more opponent scoring.

Their able to switch clutch and critical situations because of their size at and versatility at every position. With their best lineup, everyone can score one on one and they're are no liabilities on both ends.

The fact that people want them to trap Curry and have him defer to his teammates shows how he overshadows his all-star caliber teammates to an extreme extent. Everyone forgets what Barnes, Green, Iguodala, and Thompson is capable of when the time comes and they answer. Thus the Amare treatment..wouldn't work on a guy who likes to shoot 100 threes consecutively, is leading the league in attempts and makes, and is the best in the category overall. He practices all the mechanics including the footwork/ball handling leading to his shots in pregame.

The Cavs have no chance against them. Reality eludes the delusional Cleveland fan. Denial, deflection, and ignorance is their best friends. The fact they're the exact same team from 08-09 but worse and older is just wow. Their GM threw their team under the bus as they were dominated by the one of the top defenses in the nba. Hell, they aren't even a top ten defense. They're only a top 5 offense.

They are that good. Good is an understatement.

You can't trap a player who has the excellent ball handling skills that Curry has. The fact that he shoots so many threes makes fans forget he can get to the rim whenever.

They haven't played the top 2 teams in the West. The Thunder are overrated and have no offense. They generate it from two players as it always was.

The Spurs are the only team that has a chance but can they withstand Golden State's pace, quickness, youth, versatility, etc? Golden State deserves to be over any team in the NBA including the Spurs.

The Warriors haven't lost because of skill. They're so good that when they play absolutely awful or even dreadful, they still win. Dreadful was against the Clippers in the 1st half of that game. That and the almost fluke loss against the Nets which they proved was just a beyond mean performance by the nets by obliterating them tonight. They motivated the Jazz the other day but the Jazz still lost.

Its not about luck for them..its about who worked hard enough.

All this trapping Curry nonsense. Like teams haven't tried that? Like teams didn't try that in the playoffs last year and during the regular season when he won MVP.

Its easy to talk out of the ass when you don't look up or witness the facts laid out in front of you. Facts don't care about feelings.

Backed points: Nathan89, TD21, skut, baseline bum

[~O~]

Damn..that's a huge wall of text.

[Venti Quattro]

Ok. I'll answer everyone's posts in one post.

What makes Golden State great is that their offense is based of other elite offenses. Small ball and stretch 4, Stan Van Gundy and D'Antoni. Ball movement and plays; San Antonio Spurs. Small ball, Phoenix Suns. Defensive principles? San Antonio Spurs.

Their also led by a coach who didn't have the elite athleticism but played in the systems two dynamic successful systems to win 5 rings as a player and 1 as a coach. He had all the mind to coach and motivate. Kerr also had general manager experience which means he knew scouting.

The Warriors are composed of players who were deemed inadequate(green, bogut), diamond in the rough (livingston and iguodala), scapegoated (ezeli), and concluded to be a non franchise championship elite player (curry). All the compilation is perfect..in every way.

Marc Jackson was not the proper motivator and leader for this team and didn't have the adequate experience Kerr had. Its no doubt why they excelled under Kerr because they learned what it takes to be elite.

Specifically, their work ethic is unparalleled. They move off ball constantly. Everyone knows the plays including the rookies. They do not stop executing no matter how large the lead which prevents them from becoming careless. All their players are confident in themselves no matter. Everyone shoots in rhythm with no hitches. Their shooting overshadows that they're a top ten defense because they receive too many possessions and play at a high pace which allows more opponent scoring.

Their able to switch clutch and critical situations because of their size at and versatility at every position. With their best lineup, everyone can score one on one and they're are no on both ends.

The fact that people want them to trap Curry and have him defer to his teammates shows how he overshadows his all-star caliber teammates to an extreme extent. Everyone forgets what Barnes, Green, Iguodala, and Thompson is capable of when the time comes and they answer. Thus the Amare treatment..wouldn't work on a guy who likes to shoot 100 threes consecutively, is leading the league in attempts and makes, and is the best in the category overall. He practices all the mechanics including the footwork/ball handling leading to his shots in pregame.

The Cavs have no chance against them. Reality eludes the delusional Cleveland fan. Denial, deflection, and ignorance is their best friends. The fact they're the exact same team from 08-09 but worse and older is just wow. Their GM threw their team under the bus as they were dominated by the one of the top defenses in the nba. Hell, they aren't even a top ten defense. They're only a top 5 offense.

They are that good. Good is an understatement.

You can't trap a player who has the excellent ball handling skills that Curry has. The fact that he shoots so many threes makes fans forget he can get to the rim whenever.

They haven't played the top 2 teams in the West. The Thunder are overrated and have no offense. They generate it from two players as it always was.

The Spurs are the only team that has a chance but can they withstand Golden State's pace, quickness, youth, versatility, etc? Golden State deserves to be over any team in the NBA including the Spurs.

The Warriors haven't lost because of skill. They're so good that when they play absolutely awful or even dreadful, they still win. Dreadful was against the Clippers in the 1st half of that game. That and the almost fluke loss against the Nets which they proved was just a beyond mean performance by the nets by obliterating them tonight. They motivated the Jazz the other day but the Jazz still lost.

Its not about luck for them..its about who worked hard enough.

All this trapping Curry nonsense. Like teams haven't tried that? Like teams didn't try that in the playoffs last year and during the regular season when he won MVP.

Its easy to talk out of the ass when you don't look up or witness the facts laid out in front of you. Facts don't care about feelings.

Backed points: Nathan89, TD21, skut, baseline bum

:lmao tell us how you really feel

But I honestly read that, solid points imo

[Venti Quattro]

The thing with Golden State is if you ask the four other guys to beat you, they WILL beat you. That's what makes them so good, aside from them playing on both ends of the floor.

[Stevie Johnson]

We score more points than the other team in games we play. That's why we are better.

[Venti Quattro]

We score more points than the other team in games we play. That's why we are better.

:lmao :lmao

[UZER]

Make them play defense for 24 seconds every possession. Force curry to work on d alot, either through screens or forcing switches and post him up. Like body blows in boxing, you won't start seeing the the damage until prob late game three or in game 4.

It's little things too...like on fast breaks, assume curry is pulling up for three everytime so overplay it, especially in game swinging moments. Concede two, not three.

[siraulo23]

Lel at anyone who thinks theyre not that good, theyre elite at everything they do

The warriors are playing like 2014 spurs the beautiful game, with a younger core, versatile support players and arguably more depth

Obviously you got steph curry playing like its a videogame, but the warriors have elite defensive centers, one of the best defensive player in the league in green, good defensive wings who shoot the three efficiently. A 2 way player at the SG position and 2 quality backup point guards. This team has everything

[DMC]

They play great offense, and adequate defense. Their Achilles heel right now is that their coach is out, and they might morph the game he developed into a hybrid where they have regressed a bit to their previous ways just enough to make it difficult for Steve to shift into playoff basketball. We'll see.

[xtremesteven33]

Great shooting, Health, and Momentum.

I hope they stay healthy all year. I hope they stay undefeated until they play the Spurs in January. Lets punch them in the mouth and see how they take it.

[Kawhitstorm]

All this trapping Curry nonsense. Like teams haven't tried that?


The only team that I saw trap Curry CONSISTENTLY was the Nets when they played in Oakland. I have yet to see team for other players to beat them in crunch time but simply try to switch & get burned every time w/ a Curry 3. I also have yet to see a coach hack Iggy despite him being a shaky 50% FT shooter. I bet you if Iggy was a 7ft center he would have been getting a hack-a-D'Andre treatment but most coaches don't think out of the box. Hell, a video coordinator was the one that suggest to Kerr to not guard Tony Allen when it was obvious to anyone who watched basketball that Tony Allen should have been getting that treatment for the last 5 years.

Donne Nelson was the only mothafucka that had the balls to do the unthinkable such as hacking a small forward (Bruce Bowen). Meanwhile you got degenerate coaches in 2015 refusing to foul at the end of the game when they are up 3. Rick Carlisle & Kerr are the only current coaches that aren't stubborn when it comes to in game adjustment. Pop is always on the sideline sinking w/ the ship w/ that "pound the rock" mentality.

http://hoopshabit.com/2015/06/16/cleveland-cavaliers-game-6-secret-weapon/

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[Cry Havoc]

Lel at anyone who thinks theyre not that good, theyre elite at everything they do

The warriors are playing like 2014 spurs the beautiful game, with a younger core, versatile support players and arguably more depth

Obviously you got steph curry playing like its a videogame, but the warriors have elite defensive centers, one of the best defensive player in the league in green, good defensive wings who shoot the three efficiently. A 2 way player at the SG position and 2 quality backup point guards. This team has everything

I don't think they're nearly as deep as the 14 Spurs were.

However, Steph Curry is far more devastating than anyone on the Spurs that year. Hell, he's a once a generation weapon. He warps the entire game just by playing, like a Jerry Rice or a Barry Bonds.

[daslicer]

I will say there 3 point game is psychologically devastating. I have seen games that are close in the 4th quarter and Curry will go on stretch where he will knock down 3 3's in a minute and then the other team just suddenly quits. If its not Curry hitting the 3's some other guy will knock down a couple and boom the other team suddenly gives up. You have to be mentally strong to beat this team.

[Russo21]

BTW Why isn't Kerr coaching? Health, family? What's the story? Nice bloke, hope he's ok.

[~O~]

BTW Why isn't Kerr coaching? Health, family? What's the story? Nice bloke, hope he's ok.

Back surgery

[Russo21]

Back surgeryOK Thanks, he'll be right then :)

[Spurtacular]

Addition by subtraction....

http://thatsenuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/markjacksonwarriors.jpg

[Spurtacular]

I go a different way with it all. The GS dominance speaks to how weak the rest the league currently is. Way too damn many cream puff teams in this league.

[Killakobe81]

Ok. I'll answer everyone's posts in one post.

What makes Golden State great is that their offense is based of other elite offenses. Small ball and stretch 4, Stan Van Gundy and D'Antoni. Ball movement and plays; San Antonio Spurs. Small ball, Phoenix Suns. Defensive principles? San Antonio Spurs.

Their also led by a coach who didn't have the elite athleticism but played in the systems two dynamic successful systems to win 5 rings as a player and 1 as a coach. He had all the mind to coach and motivate. Kerr also had general manager experience which means he knew scouting. Marc Jackson was not the proper motivator and leader for this team and didn't have the adequate experience Kerr had. Its no doubt why they excelled under Kerr because they learned what it takes to be elite.

The Warriors are composed of players who were deemed inadequate(green, bogut), diamond in the rough (livingston and iguodala), scapegoated (ezeli), and concluded to be a non franchise championship elite player (curry). All this compilation is perfect..in every way.


Specifically, their work ethic is unparalleled. They move off ball constantly. Everyone knows the plays including the rookies. They do not stop executing no matter how large the lead which prevents them from becoming careless. All their players are confident in themselves no matter. Everyone shoots in rhythm with no hitches. Their shooting overshadows that they're a top ten defense because they receive too many possessions and play at a high pace which allows more opponent scoring.

Their able to switch clutch and critical situations because of their size at and versatility at every position. With their best lineup, everyone can score one on one and they're are no liabilities on both ends.

The fact that people want them to trap Curry and have him defer to his teammates shows how he overshadows his all-star caliber teammates to an extreme extent. Everyone forgets what Barnes, Green, Iguodala, and Thompson is capable of when the time comes and they answer. Thus the Amare treatment..wouldn't work on a guy who likes to shoot 100 threes consecutively, is leading the league in attempts and makes, and is the best in the category overall. He practices all the mechanics including the footwork/ball handling leading to his shots in pregame.

The Cavs have no chance against them. Reality eludes the delusional Cleveland fan. Denial, deflection, and ignorance is their best friends. The fact they're the exact same team from 08-09 but worse and older is just wow. Their GM threw their team under the bus as they were dominated by the one of the top defenses in the nba. Hell, they aren't even a top ten defense. They're only a top 5 offense.

They are that good. Good is an understatement.

You can't trap a player who has the excellent ball handling skills that Curry has. The fact that he shoots so many threes makes fans forget he can get to the rim whenever.

They haven't played the top 2 teams in the West. The Thunder are overrated and have no offense. They generate it from two players as it always was.

The Spurs are the only team that has a chance but can they withstand Golden State's pace, quickness, youth, versatility, etc? Golden State deserves to be over any team in the NBA including the Spurs.

The Warriors haven't lost because of skill. They're so good that when they play absolutely awful or even dreadful, they still win. Dreadful was against the Clippers in the 1st half of that game. That and the almost fluke loss against the Nets which they proved was just a beyond mean performance by the nets by obliterating them tonight. They motivated the Jazz the other day but the Jazz still lost.

Its not about luck for them..its about who worked hard enough.

All this trapping Curry nonsense. Like teams haven't tried that? Like teams didn't try that in the playoffs last year and during the regular season when he won MVP.

Its easy to talk out of the ass when you don't look up or witness the facts laid out in front of you. Facts don't care about feelings.

Backed points: Nathan89, TD21, skut, baseline bum

Good post but I do think they have been careless with turnovers and the right team (spurs?/Cavs?) could make them pay for that ...agree with the rest though.

[DMC]

Great shooting, Health, and Momentum.

I hope they stay healthy all year. I hope they stay undefeated until they play the Spurs in January. Lets punch them in the mouth and see how they take it.

If they stay undefeated until then they might be out of reach. I'd like to have a tighter race in the West between 1 and 2. OKC can hang back to 5 or 6 games back.

[sexinthatsx]

It's because Warriors haven't gone up against a hyper offense team like the Spurs yet, or a unstoppable driving PG in Westbrook yet. The hyper offense pass heavy method can run Curry out and make him tired and thus miss shots. Same with Westbrook - I guarantee you Curry will rely on Draymond Green and Andrew Bogut to stop Westbrook, but don't know how effective that will be.

You basically have to find a way where the PG scores so easily on Curry that his team won't be able to help on defense.