Fear fapping Dems: the no fly list and gun sales

[Winehole23]

"That is insane. If you’re too dangerous to board a plane, you’re too dangerous, by definition, to buy a gun. And so I’m calling on Congress to close this loophole, now," he said. "We may not be able to prevent every tragedy, but -- at a bare minimum -- we shouldn’t be making it so easy for potential terrorists or criminals to get their hands on a gun that they could use against Americans."

[Winehole23]

https://www.aclu.org/terror-watch-list-counter-million-plus

[Winehole23]

In September 2007, the Inspector General of the Justice Department reported (http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/reports/FBI/a0741/final.pdf) that the Terrorist Screening Center (the FBI-administered organization that consolidates terrorist watch list information in the United States) had over 700,000 names in its database as of April 2007 - and that the list was growing by an average of over 20,000 records per month.1 (https://www.aclu.org/terror-watch-list-counter-million-plus#_ftn1) (See also this new March 2008 report (http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/reports/plus/a0816/final.pdf).2 (https://www.aclu.org/terror-watch-list-counter-million-plus#_ftn2) )

By those numbers, the list now has over one million names on it. Terrorist watch lists must be tightly focused on true terrorists who pose a genuine threat. Bloated lists are bad because


they ensnare many innocent travelers as suspected terrorists, and
because they waste screeners' time and divert their energies (https://www.aclu.org/privacy/gen/26535res20060824.html) from looking for true terrorists.

[Winehole23]

when the ACLU agrees with wackadoodle Republicans, Blue team true believers should be wary of their own leaders.

[Aztecfan03]

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[boutons_deux]

"constitutional rights", to a muzzle-loading musket to be in the volunteer militia?

[boutons_deux]

700K, 800K put on the no-fly list by Repugs, but Obama is fear-mongering and running an inaccurate list?

Seems like you rightwingnuts only whine, bitch, threaten mayhem about shit under Obama, but were perfectly silent when the same shit, even MORE of it, was done in the Repugs Reign of Error.

[Winehole23]

I complained like hell when Bush was president. Search SR politics and my old username Guerito.

[Winehole23]

hell, I've complained about it here:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=225965
(http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=225965)http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144080
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169840 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144080)

[Winehole23]

what do you think, boutons? you cool with Obama stoking totally unreasonable fears based on a bloated, overhyped list of potential bad guys?

[Winehole23]

my bad, you do think it's reasonable. at least, a few days ago you did:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=253057&page=5&p=8274617&viewfull=1#post8274617

[Winehole23]

Glenn Greenwald, notable Repug and far right winger, takes Obama to the woodshed:

https://theintercept.com/2014/08/05/watch-commander/

[boutons_deux]

what do you think, boutons? you cool with Obama stoking totally unreasonable fears based on a bloated, overhyped list of potential bad guys?

the solution is to clean the list, the vast majority of which is accurate, one "hopes", rather than allow ALL the true no-fly threats to buy guns.

Your logic is the same as asshole TX Cornyn's "we might deny a suicidal and/or murderous poor vet his guns" (sick vets commit a lot of suicides and murders, domestic violence)

[Winehole23]

no, my logic is the same as Greenwald's. the terrorist watch list is bloated, ineffective and an unreasonable infringement of freedom.

[boutons_deux]

no, my logic is the same as Greenwald's. the terrorist watch list is bloated, ineffective and an unreasonable infringement of freedom.

then clean it.

airlines need to clean up their act, too

Virgin America says kicking Dallas Plan Commissioner Bobby Abtahi off flight was ‘a misunderstanding’
http://cityhallblog.dallasnews.com/2015/11/dallas-plan-commissioner-bobby-abtahi-says-virgin-america-kicked-him-off-a-new-york-flight-today.html/

the Virgin crew didn't like his name and/or skin color.

[Winehole23]

how about we just get rid of it. we don't need a no fly list.

[Spurminator]

Agree that the list is highly troubling and lacks accountability, but it also seems overly simplified to suggest that a direct connection to a terrorist organization should be the only criterion for inclusion on a watch list. I don't know how you monitor suspicious behavior without compromising liberty in some way, though.

[Winehole23]

not sure why 4th Amendment-free policing should be a given, particularly given the minuscule threat of terrorism compared to a lot of other things. investigations should be based on articulable, individualized suspicion and proceed on a constitutional basis.

what country is this anyway?

[boutons_deux]

how about we just get rid of it. we don't need a no fly list.

I'd go for that, since cleaning it is effectively impossible.

[boutons_deux]

not sure why 4th Amendment free policing should be a given, particularly given the minuscule threat of terrorism compared to a lot of other things. investigations should be based on articulable, individualized suspicion and proceed on a constitutional basis.

what country is this anyway?

operating rules, culture that place the Constitution, or any US law, as a priority doesn't seem to be how the militarized police, NSA/FBI/CIA/der Heimat security proceed