Harriet Tubman Wins Vote To Replace Andrew Jackson On $20 Bill

[InRareForm]

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2015/05/12/womens-group-chooses-harriet-tubman-to-replace-andrew-jackson-on-20-bill/

[Aztecfan03]

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2015/05/12/womens-group-chooses-harriet-tubman-to-replace-andrew-jackson-on-20-bill/

If anyone should be replaced, it is Jackson. Stupid treasury department trying to take Hamilton off the money.

[cd021]

Makes sense.

[boutons_deux]

Demonstrating my point that Repug/Fox obsession with criminalizing PC, using anti-PC for their free-floating HATE, Repugs/Fox HATE the PC of putting an old female knitter on $20

“We need Trump to stop all the PC crap”: Right-wing reaction to the Harriet Tubman $20 bill is (another) new low

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/20/we_need_trump_to_stop_all_the_pc_crap_right_wing_r eaction_to_the_harriet_tubman_20_bill_is_another_n ew_low/

[Spurminator]

Articles about tweets!

[DarrinS]

Cool.

[SpursforSix]

Tuman makes sense but Obama wants to add some others.


With Hamilton's position secure, and with the Obama administration under pressure to add diversity to the currency, Lew's compromise is to replace a picture of the Treasury building on the back of the $10 with leaders of the suffrage movement — Sojourner Truth, Susan B. Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Alice Paul and Lucretia Mott.

The back of the $5 bill will also be redesigned to include opera singer Marian Anderson, First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt and civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr.



Ok...so women and blacks are now covered. What about Mexicans? Or for that matter, why aren't there any transsexuals? Maybe they'll start minting three dollar bills.

[DarrinS]

Lulz

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/04/20/which_dead_white_man_should_obama_replace_on_u_s_c urrency.html

[DarrinS]

Tuman makes sense but Obama wants to add some others.



Ok...so women and blacks are now covered. What about Mexicans? Or for that matter, why aren't there any transsexuals? Maybe they'll start minting three dollar bills.


Caitlyn Jenner 2 dollar bill?

[boutons_deux]

It's not just tweets. The racist, hate-the-knitter Repug/Fox chorus spewing hate in full voice

“Awful.” “Dumb.” Stupid”:

Fox News’ Greta Van Susteren rails against Obama for “dividing the country” by booting Andrew Jackson for Harriet Tubman on the $20

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/21/awful_dumb_stupid_fox_news_greta_van_susteren_rail s_against_obama_for_dividing_the_country_by_bootin g_andrew_jackson_for_harriet_tubman_on_the_20/

Genocidal, ethnic cleansing, racist Andy is Repug/Fox/SpursTalker perfect American hero.

[boutons_deux]

Donald Trump: Leave Andrew Jackson alone! — “Let’s come up with another denomination” for women

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/21/donald_trump_leave_andrew_jackson_alone_lets_come_ up_with_another_denomination_for_women/

How about denominated as "2nd class human/sex obyect/involuntary semen depository" bill?

[DarrinS]

Jackson founded det Democratic party tho

And det Harriet Tubman was a gun-owning Republican

:lmao

[DarrinS]

But, I'm sure if she was alive, she's be advocating for gender-neutral bathrooms :lmao

[boutons_deux]

And knitter-shamers chime in

[DarrinS]

Why not Fredrick Douglass? That bill would be epic

[baseline bum]

Jackson founded det Democratic party tho

And det Harriet Tubman was a gun-owning Republican

:lmao

And now all those old Democrat slave states are the Republican base. What's so funny about it?

[Spurminator]

Jackson founded det Democratic party tho

And det Harriet Tubman was a gun-owning Republican

:lmao

+10 points for the Republican Party in an imaginary game no one was playing! Score!

[Spurminator]

Cool.

"Hey guys, just wanted everyone to know I don't have a problem with this, though I really think it's kind of pointless. But also, I'm gonna comment a few more times."


Lulz

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate..._currency.html (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/04/20/which_dead_white_man_should_obama_replace_on_u_s_c urrency.html)

"Look at this totally serious Slate article that was not meant to troll people like me! Can you believe Liberals?"


Jackson founded det Democratic party tho

And det Harriet Tubman was a gun-owning Republican

:lmao

"Haha, Liberals are going to hate it when they realize these facts that several people have tweeted! Bet they wish they had kept Jackson on the 20 now.

Also, just a reminder that I'm not a racist."


But, I'm sure if she was alive, she's be advocating for gender-neutral bathrooms :lmao

"Can you believe that thing they're talking about in that other thread? LOL, Liberals.

But for real, this is totally cool with me."

[Chris]

Cool, can we replace the Federal Reserve now?

[DarrinS]

"Hey guys, just wanted everyone to know I don't have a problem with this, though I really think it's kind of pointless. But also, I'm gonna comment a few more times."



"Look at this totally serious Slate article that was not meant to troll people like me! Can you believe Liberals?"



"Haha, Liberals are going to hate it when they realize these facts that several people have tweeted! Bet they wish they had kept Jackson on the 20 now.

Also, just a reminder that I'm not a racist."



"Can you believe that thing they're talking about in that other thread? LOL, Liberals.

But for real, this is totally cool with me."



Ooh, your burns are strong. How will I go on?

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm not offended but DAMN that womans ugly.

[boutons_deux]

I'm not offended but DAMN that womans ugly.

you're a sexist pig

[Spurminator]

Ooh, your burns are strong. How will I go on?

I'm sure you'll continue to entertain yourself through the usual means of non-sequitur drive-bys.

No personal offense intended.

[DarrinS]

I'm sure you'll continue to entertain yourself through the usual means of non-sequitur drive-bys.

No personal offense intended.


I don't really care which dead person appears on currency. I never really thought it was something that needed to be fixed, tho.

[DarrinS]

And now all those old Democrat slave states are the Republican base. What's so funny about it?


Do you think that all people who currently live in the south are descendants of slave owners? My great grandparents are from Minnesota.

[Spurminator]

I don't really care which dead person appears on currency. I never really thought it was something that needed to be fixed, tho.

I don't know you but I'm guessing you have a kneejerk irritation towards people who care about things you don't think they should care about, particularly when those things seem to you like PC culture changing tradition.

[Spurminator]

But at least you're not complaining about how we're sanitizing history.

[DarrinS]

But at least you're not complaining about how we're sanitizing history.

How are we sanitizing history?

[baseline bum]

Do you think that all people who currently live in the south are descendants of slave owners? My great grandparents are from Minnesota.

Most probably are. LOL when Republicans try to pull that party of Lincoln horseshit as if the southern strategy never happened.

[Spurminator]

How are we sanitizing history?

We're not.

[SpursforSix]

Why not Fredrick Douglass? That bill would be epic

this would be epic on come currency

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/johnbrown/tragicprelude.jpg

[DarrinS]

Most probably are. LOL when Republicans try to pull that party of Lincoln horseshit as if the southern strategy never happened.


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/10/magazine/10Section2b.t-4.html

[boutons_deux]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/10/magazine/10Section2b.t-4.html

that's bullshit. red, slave states, Bible humpers have always voted social/race issues for Repugs against their best economic interests.

They are only now realizing the Repugs have duped and screwed them for 50 years, so are "revolting" against the Repug establishment for a blatantly racist, xenophobic Trump.

[baseline bum]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/10/magazine/10Section2b.t-4.html

That doesn't make any sense. States like Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Kentucky are poor as hell and vote overwhelmingly Republican. LOL at the idea it's prosperous voters getting Republicans elected into office in the south to represent their interests.

[DarrinS]

How are we sanitizing history?


We're not.


But, sometimes we are:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/06/26/whitewashing_the_democratic_partys_history_127132. html

[baseline bum]

that's bullshit. red, slave states, Bible humpers have always voted social/race issues for Repugs against their best economic interests.

They are only now realizing the Repugs have duped and screwed them for 50 years, so are "revolting" against the Repug establishment for a blatantly racist, xenophobic Trump.

Pretty much over the last few decades

[baseline bum]

But, sometimes we are:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/06/26/whitewashing_the_democratic_partys_history_127132. html

Are you really that butthurt that a great American replaces a piece of shit on the $20 bill?

[Spurminator]

But, sometimes we are:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/06/26/whitewashing_the_democratic_partys_history_127132. html

Another +10 in the partisan contest no one besides you is playing!

[DarrinS]

Another +10 in the partisan contest no one besides you is playing!

And boutons and baseline.

[baseline bum]

And boutons and baseline.

For calling out your party of Lincoln bullshit? :lol

[DarrinS]

Are you really that butthurt that a great American replaces a piece of shit on the $20 bill?

Should've gone with this design

http://currentwisdom.blogs.news-journalonline.com/files/2016/04/harriet_tubman_0.jpg

[DarrinS]

For calling out your party of Lincoln bullshit? :lol

Party of Jackson

[cd021]

I'd be cool with keeping Jackson on the bill but only if they add a tattoo tear to represent the thousands of Native Americans that were killed on his watch as president.

[Chinook]

I'd be cool with keeping Jackson on the bill but only if they add a tattoo tear to represent the thousands of Native Americans that were killed on his watch as president.

You mean under Van Buren's watch, but sure. People attribute the Trail of Tears of AJ frequently, but he was already retired when that happened. Not that he wasn't a white supremacist; he just didn't do much of anything physically against Native Americans during his terms.

[Chinook]

Should've gone with this design

http://currentwisdom.blogs.news-journalonline.com/files/2016/04/harriet_tubman_0.jpg

Would love the shit out of that bill. Reminds me of that Assassin's Creed game.

http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/scale_small/8/87790/2323851-box_ac3l.png

[DMX7]

I don't really care which dead person appears on currency. I never really thought it was something that needed to be fixed, tho.

They're trying to honor someone worthy of being honored... it's not about "fixing" the currency.

[DMX7]

I hear Ben Carson and others say she should have been put on the $2 bill... as if they wouldn't have thrown a hissy fit if Jefferson were kicked off of it.

Darren thinks she should be on a new bill -- the "3/5th of $1 Bill".

[hater]

Black ppl will disrespect Harriett Tubman in all kinds of ways at the strip clubs around the nation :lmao

[hater]

I would never ever want my face on money tbh. Unless its a $500 bill of course. Not many ppl can disrespect you at the strip club then

[boutons_deux]

Spurstalk racists have lots of racists buddies around the country

‘The $20 bill goes ghetto”: Racist responses to Harriet Tubman on the $20 are out of control

Abolitionist Harriet Tubman is set to replace former President Andrew Jackson on the face of the $20 bill (http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/21/politics/donald-trump-tubman-bill-political-correctness/) and people are not happy about it. From Raven Simone to Ben Carson, watch our video for more details.

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/22/the_20_bill_goes_ghetto_racist_responses_to_harrie t_tubman_on_the_20_are_out_of_control/

[Spurminator]

Another article about tweets!

[Shastafarian]

You mean under Van Buren's watch, but sure. People attribute the Trail of Tears of AJ frequently, but he was already retired when that happened. Not that he wasn't a white supremacist; he just didn't do much of anything physically against Native Americans during his terms.
lolwut

He pushed the Indian Removal Act and was president during the removal of at least 3 large tribes. The 2nd Seminole War was also fought during his presidency.

[Chinook]

lolwut

He pushed the Indian Removal Act and was president during the removal of at least 3 large tribes. The 2nd Seminole War was also fought during his presidency.

I said physically. He did a lot of legislative things, but those were things that were also in the works before he was even in office. And the war was one of like three that took place over 40 years, and most of it was fought under Van Buren anyway.

[Shastafarian]

I said physically. He did a lot of legislative things, but those were things that were also in the works before he was even in office. And the war was one of like three that took place over 40 years, and most of it was fought under Van Buren anyway.

Cool excuses. Why can't you just say, "yeah maybe I generalized too much"? His administration oversaw PHYSICAL removal of people from their homeland. A war was fought, with thousands dying, against native americans while he was president. None of this even takes into consideration what he did prior to becoming president.

[Spurminator]

Jackson has a pretty decent Broadway musical about him. They'll never take that away.

[Chinook]

Cool excuses. Why can't you just say, "yeah maybe I generalized too much"?

How about no? I didn't make that claim blindly. I didn't generalize too much. I said exactly what the hell I meant to knowing exactly what you were going to say.


His administration oversaw PHYSICAL removal of people from their homeland. A war was fought, with thousands dying, against native americans while he was president.

A war is hardly the same thing as the genocide that the Trail of Tears was. Those wars were inevitable considering the way America was expanding. We can bitch about the things our ancestors did all we want, but there wouldn't be a US without it. There were just too many other people for it to happen peacefully. Does that justify the horror? No. But it's a such a fundamental part of this nation's history that we just have to accept that it happened without thinking that dishonoring the historical figures somehow cleanses our guilt.


None of this even takes into consideration what he did prior to becoming president.

Yeah, and neither did the post I quoted. If that post had been, "Jackson was a supremacist asshole who did a lot of physical harm to Native Americans before his presidency", I wouldn't have said shit about it.

[Shastafarian]

How about no? I didn't make that claim blindly. I didn't generalize too much. I said exactly what the hell I meant to knowing exactly what you were going to say.Oh so you knew about Jackson removing tribes and overseeing wars against natives and made the comments anyway. That's pretty brave.




A war is hardly the same thing as the genocide that the Trail of Tears was. The scope of each is irrelevant with respect to your incorrect historical statement.

Those wars were inevitable considering the way America was expanding. We can bitch about the things our ancestors did all we want, but there wouldn't be a US without it. There were just too many other people for it to happen peacefully. Does that justify the horror? No. But it's a such a fundamental part of this nation's history that we just have to accept that it happened without thinking that dishonoring the historical figures somehow cleanses our guilt.Don't care. I was responding to your factual inaccuracies, per usual.




Yeah, and neither did the post I quoted. If that post had been, "Jackson was a supremacist asshole who did a lot of physical harm to Native Americans before his presidency", I wouldn't have said shit about it.
So you're saying Andrew Jackson wasn't president during, and didn't oversee, the deaths of thousands of native americans? You're actually going to stick by this?

[cd021]

Would love the shit out of that bill. Reminds me of that Assassin's Creed game.

http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/scale_small/8/87790/2323851-box_ac3l.png
That would be pretty dope.

Duly noted on the Van Buren comment. Either way the trail of tears was a dick move.

[Chinook]

Oh so you knew about Jackson removing tribes and overseeing wars against natives and made the comments anyway. That's pretty brave.

It's called having perspective and being able to appropriately guess what cd was referring to. You lacked that, so you jumped of on something else.


Don't care. I was responding to your factual inaccuracies, per usual.

You should care, because your comment is stupid without context.


So you're saying Andrew Jackson wasn't president during, and didn't oversee, the deaths of thousands of native americans? You're actually going to stick by this?

I'm actually going to stick by Jackson not being president during the Trail of Tears, which again was actually want cd was talking about. You brought up Jackson's pre-presidential days, and I didn't disagree with you on those. But they weren't in the frame of the debate until you brought them up.

I haven't said Jackson is some great man that needs to be defended. So I have no interest in defending the man's character. But the ToT is something that gets attributed to Jackson all the time, and that's not really true.

[Chinook]

That would be pretty dope.

Duly noted on the Van Buren comment. Either way the trail of tears was a dick move.

Yeah, it's part of family history for me. My grandmother would spit whenever someone mentioned Jackson. Never saw her with a 20 either.

[Shastafarian]

It's called having perspective and being able to appropriately guess what cd was referring to. You lacked that, so you jumped of on something else.Oh so cd was referring ONLY to the Cherokee trail of tears?




You should care, because your comment is stupid without context. Which comment are you referring to? My assertion that your response is comprised of bullshit, sprinkled in with know-it-all arrogance?




I'm actually going to stick by Jackson not being president during the Trail of Tears, which again was actually want cd was talking about. You brought up Jackson's pre-presidential days, and I didn't disagree with you on those. But they weren't in the frame of the debate until you brought them up.You might want to ask the Choctaw nation if they think Jackson wasn't president during their own trail of tears where an estimated 2-5 thousands people died en route to their new lands west. That happened in 1831 btw.


I haven't said Jackson is some great man that needs to be defended. So I have no interest in defending the man's character. But the ToT is something that gets attributed to Jackson all the time, and that's not really true.lol the Cherokee trail of tears maybe. Here, have a history lesson on me

https://web.archive.org/web/20080604005108/http://www.tc.umn.edu/~mboucher/mikebouchweb/choctaw/trtears.htm

Does it hurt to be so wrong?

[Trill Clinton]

Jackson has a pretty decent Broadway musical about him. They'll never take that away.

I thought that was hamilton?

[Chinook]

Oh so cd was referring ONLY to the Cherokee trail of tears?

Maybe. That's certainly the one most people talk about.


Which comment are you referring to? My assertion that your response is comprised of bullshit, sprinkled in with know-it-all arrogance?

Lol, you saying things like "comprised of" while asking (EDIT: I couldn't even make it a sentence) intellectually superior. I was talking about you thinking that casualties in a war as the same thing as genocide. Are you talking about all the Germans FDR allowed to be killed, the Mexicans Polk killed under Polk? British killed under Madison?

More importantly, there's only so far you can go logically trying to curse the past without damning the present. You can hate the people who removed native tribes all you want, but they were absolutely essential to this country. It's ludicrous to talk about how awful it was to displace native people while continuing to live on the land they used to inhabit.


You might want to ask the Choctaw nation if they think Jackson wasn't president during their own trail of tears where an estimated 2-5 thousands people died en route to their new lands west. That happened in 1831 btw.

I'll talk to them about using the term.


Does it hurt to be so wrong?

I don't mind being wrong at all. You learn that way. I do mind you acting as if you knew that before you looked it up. But yeah, I will concede that I wasn't looking at the other tribes when thinking about the ToT.

[Pelicans78]

Tubman was a Republican

[Shastafarian]

Maybe. That's certainly the one most people talk about. Yet cd didn't even mention it. But rather he said "a tattoo tear to represent the thousands of Native Americans that were killed on his watch as president". Do you still dispute that?




Lol, you saying things like "comprised of" while asking (EDIT: I couldn't even make it a sentence) intellectually superior. I was talking about you thinking that casualties in a war as the same thing as genocide. Are you talking about all the Germans FDR allowed to be killed, the Mexicans Polk killed under Polk? British killed under Madison?

More importantly, there's only so far you can go logically trying to curse the past without damning the present. You can hate the people who removed native tribes all you want, but they were absolutely essential to this country. It's ludicrous to talk about how awful it was to displace native people while continuing to live on the land they used to inhabit. :lol This is some real intellectual dishonesty right here. We can't sharply criticize monsters because we have benefited, 170 years after the fact, the ends those monsters strove for. :tu




I'll talk to them about using the term.Maybe you should since the actual term "Trail of Tears" originated with the Choctaw forced migration.




I don't mind being wrong at all.:rollin

You learn that way. I do mind you acting as if you knew that before you looked it up. But yeah, I will concede that I wasn't looking at the other tribes when thinking about the ToT.Didn't have to look it up to know how wrong you were. Just needed to find a good article detailing what I remembered about the Choctaw and other native tribes who were forced out under Jackson.

So you admit your statement about Jackson's presidency being relatively benign with respect to native americans is complete bullshit?

[Chinook]

Yet cd didn't even mention it. But rather he said "a tattoo tear to represent the thousands of Native Americans that were killed on his watch as president". Do you still dispute that?

I don't dispute what the tattoo says. But I do dispute that it makes sense for him to have one.


:lol This is some real intellectual dishonesty right here. We can't sharply criticize monsters because we have benefited, 170 years after the fact, the ends those monsters strove for. :tu

It's a very empty criticism. Like if your family got rich because your great ancestor was a pirate lord, are you going to give back all the money? If not, does it really matter if you "sharply criticize" what your ancestor did?


Maybe you should since the actual term "Trail of Tears" originated with the Choctaw forced migration.

All right.


Didn't have to look it up to know how wrong you were. Just needed to find a good article detailing what I remembered about the Choctaw and other native tribes who were forced out under Jackson.

Didn't have to look for a good one. I would have taken a Wiki article.


So you admit your statement about Jackson's presidency being relatively benign with respect to native americans is complete bullshit?

Indeed, I do. cd021 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=36264), I apologize for calling you out. I was mistaken. As for you Shastafarian, I admit you were right, and I appreciate you informing me of where I was wrong. And I'm being honest. I'd rather come out of here knowing I was wrong and "losing" than thinking I was right just because I "won".

[boutons_deux]

Another article about tweets!

so your buddies racist tweets aren't valid.

[boutons_deux]

Tubman was a Republican

When Republicans were sane. 19th, even 20th century Republicanism is long dead.

[Pelicans78]

When Republicans were sane. 19th, even 20th century Republicanism is long dead.

Democrats are no better with their attempts to socially engineer society with their radical left-wing agenda.

[boutons_deux]

Democrats are no better with their attempts to socially engineer society with their radical left-wing agenda.

you full of bullshit. VRWC/Repug/BigCorop have rigged USA into World Champion inequality, and 40M people on public assistance, etc, etc, etc.

[rmt]

How much is this change going to cost? Maybe we ought to concentrate on important topics like jobs and our $19 trillion debt instead of whose face is on what bill. Same with the transgender topic - how much of the population does this affect? I really don't care what law is passed or not passed - I'm gonna use my common sense and not go into/send my daughter into any bathroom that has any male-looking person in it - just wait until said person comes out or find another bathroom.

[SpursforSix]

How much is this change going to cost? Maybe we ought to concentrate on important topics like jobs and our $19 trillion debt instead of whose face is on what bill. Same with the transgender topic - how much of the population does this affect? I really don't care what law is passed or not passed - I'm gonna use my common sense and not go into/send my daughter into any bathroom that has any male-looking person in it - just wait until said person comes out or find another bathroom.

You're not considering the two jobs it's going to create for a graphic designer and a draftsman.

[rmt]

You're not considering the two jobs it's going to create for a graphic designer and a draftsman.

What two jobs - you mean the couple of hours it'll take to come up with the master - not even enough hours to qualify for Obamacare.

[Spurminator]

I thought that was hamilton?

Bloody Bloody Andrew Jackson

[baseline bum]

You're not considering the two jobs it's going to create for a graphic designer and a draftsman.

:lmao

[baseline bum]

How much is this change going to cost? Maybe we ought to concentrate on important topics like jobs and our $19 trillion debt instead of whose face is on what bill. Same with the transgender topic - how much of the population does this affect? I really don't care what law is passed or not passed - I'm gonna use my common sense and not go into/send my daughter into any bathroom that has any male-looking person in it - just wait until said person comes out or find another bathroom.

Moar tax cuts will bring that debt down

[Spurminator]

How much is this change going to cost? Maybe we ought to concentrate on important topics like jobs and our $19 trillion debt instead of whose face is on what bill.

You do realize they're not pulling the Jackson 20's out of circulation, right? You do realize that we reprint currency all the time, right?

[Spurminator]

The stages of conservative reaction to this:

- Whatever, I don't care
- This is unnecessary and irrelevant, just catering to political correctness
- What is this going to cost taxpayers? Don't we have more important things to spend our money on?
- Stop trying to erase history!
- Stop criticizing me for voicing my opinion! Chilling effect!!

[boutons_deux]

You do realize they're not pulling the Jackson 20's out of circulation, right? You do realize that we reprint currency all the time, right?

And new anti-ounterfeit changes, esp to the benjamins

[rmt]

You do realize they're not pulling the Jackson 20's out of circulation, right? You do realize that we reprint currency all the time, right?

Don't you mean that THEY just print MORE money all the time.

As far as tax cuts, I'll hazard that I could invest my social security money and get more than whatever IOU they put in my name or what little I'll get by the time I reach retirement age if they do nothing to up the age. I'm more interested in them cutting spending than tax cuts.

[Spurminator]

Don't you mean that THEY just print MORE money all the time.

:wtf

[rmt]

The stages of conservative reaction to this:

- Whatever, I don't care
- This is unnecessary and irrelevant, just catering to political correctness
- What is this going to cost taxpayers? Don't we have more important things to spend our money on?
- Stop trying to erase history!
- Stop criticizing me for voicing my opinion! Chilling effect!!

Don't know why any conservative would object to a deeply religious, gun-toting Republican replacing a founder of the Dem party.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/04/harriet-tubman-was-republican

[baseline bum]

Don't know why any conservative would object to a deeply religious, gun-toting Republican replacing a founder of the Dem party.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/04/harriet-tubman-was-republican

Of course she was a Republican, back then they weren't the party of the slave states like they are now.

[baseline bum]

I like to think I would have been a Republican too back then. Now? Not so much.

[Spurminator]

Don't know why any conservative would object to a deeply religious, gun-toting Republican replacing a founder of the Dem party.

I don't either. But here we are.

[baseline bum]

I don't either. But here we are.

LOL

[DarrinS]

Of course she was a Republican, back then they weren't the party of the slave states like they are now.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/2012_Presidential_Election_by_County.svg/2000px-2012_Presidential_Election_by_County.svg.png

[Shastafarian]

I don't dispute what the tattoo says. But I do dispute that it makes sense for him to have one.

It's a very empty criticism. Like if your family got rich because your great ancestor was a pirate lord, are you going to give back all the money? If not, does it really matter if you "sharply criticize" what your ancestor did?

All right.


Didn't have to look for a good one. I would have taken a Wiki article.


Indeed, I do. cd021 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=36264), I apologize for calling you out. I was mistaken. As for you Shastafarian, I admit you were right, and I appreciate you informing me of where I was wrong. And I'm being honest. I'd rather come out of here knowing I was wrong and "losing" than thinking I was right just because I "won".Alright I apologize then for being so crass. I read you wrong. To civil debates in the future :toast

[Shastafarian]

How much is this change going to cost?
:rollin

There's the rmt we know and love.

[rmt]

And what about all the vending machines, ATMs, self-service registers, etc that have to be changed/altered to read these new bills?

[Spurminator]

And what about all the vending machines, ATMs, self-service registers, etc that have to be changed/altered to read these new bills?

Now you're trolling.

[boutons_deux]

If she were white, you racists would whooping it up.

[rmt]

I don't care whose face is on which bill, but don't pretend that there aren't REAL costs to this change and for what purpose? Can't they find some other way to honor her without affecting every single machine in the country that deals with cash.

[angrydude]

Lol. Andrew Jackson killed the Bank of the United States....postponing the current banking run hell the world lives in that the left loves to complain about. If the left had any brains at all they would love Andrew Jackson, yet they hate him. You really can't get much stupider than that.

If you think I'm joking, remember, they were going to replace Hamilton off the ten dollar bill but all the directors of the Fed got the panties in a bunch at the thought of their God being taken off the money.

[boutons_deux]

I don't care whose face is on which bill, but don't pretend that there aren't REAL costs to this change and for what purpose? Can't they find some other way to honor her without affecting every single machine in the country that deals with cash.

:lol

Please go find links that "every single machine in the country" will have to be changed.

[Th'Pusher]

I don't care whose face is on which bill, but don't pretend that there aren't REAL costs to this change and for what purpose? Can't they find some other way to honor her without affecting every single machine in the country that deals with cash.

:lol

[rmt]

:lol

Please go find links that "every single machine in the country" will have to be changed.

Won't all cash machines have to be changed/adjusted to accept the new $20 bills?

[Spurminator]

I don't care whose face is on which bill,

Yes, you do, or you wouldn't be asking ridiculous questions like this:


but don't pretend that there aren't REAL costs to this change and for what purpose? Can't they find some other way to honor her without affecting every single machine in the country that deals with cash.

[Warlord23]

Won't all cash machines have to be changed/adjusted to accept the new $20 bills?

You can't be this ignorant, right? Cash machines either use magnetic or optical sensors. They aren't trying to look for Andrew Jackson's picture, you know.

[rmt]

You can't be this ignorant, right? Cash machines either use magnetic or optical sensors. They aren't trying to look for Andrew Jackson's picture, you know.

Well, apparently, I am that ignorant. I stand corrected. According to the below, it's the $1 bill that cannot be altered without major changes. So, these magnetic or optical sensors don't work with $1 bill change?

The $1, on the other hand, has managed to avoid redesign for more than 75 years, thanks in part to the efforts of the National Automatic Merchandising Association — the vending-machine lobby. If the $1 bill were redesigned, all vending machines currently handing out Mountain Dews to the masses would need to be redesigned as well. The Treasury isn’t too worried about the $1 bill being counterfeited, either. So George stays the same, the Dorian Gray of the dollar bills.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/03/how-hard-would-it-be-to-change-the-20.html

[rmt]

Yes, you do, or you wouldn't be asking ridiculous questions like this:

You're telling me what I care about? I don't care - I just ask ridiculous questions because I'm too lazy to look it up and am ignorant as I admitted above.

[Pelicans78]

You're telling me what I care about? I don't care - I just ask ridiculous questions because I'm too lazy to look it up and am ignorant as I admitted above.

That's basically you're average Trump supporter.

[tlongII]

That's basically you're average Trump supporter.

What a crock of shit. You don't even know how to spell your right.

[Spurminator]

You're telling me what I care about? I don't care - I just ask ridiculous questions because I'm too lazy to look it up and am ignorant as I admitted above.

What I'm saying is you wouldn't be asking those questions if they changed the $20 to Ronald Reagan.

[Pelicans78]

holy fuck you're stupid

You're defensive

[spurraider21]

big map
use your words

[rmt]

What I'm saying is you wouldn't be asking those questions if they changed the $20 to Ronald Reagan.

You might be under the impression that I'm some life-long republican who worships at the altar of Reagan; I didn't grow up in this country and I'm not. This is the first year in which I have followed politics to any degree. Having homeschooled 3 kids, I haven't had time before now to scratch my nose. I'm wedded to my God and my husband. As far as abortion is concerned I'm personally opposed to abortion for myself but realize that that opinion cannot be forced down people's throats. Guns - as one of the posters here said, I must be clinically paranoid where protecting myself and family is concerned. And no, I'm not in favor of tax cuts - we need to cut down on our debt via controlling waste and slashing spending.

[rmt]

That's basically you're average Trump supporter.

That description is on the topic of changing bills, cash machines, magnetic and optical sensors. Like everyone else, there are some topics I know a lot about and some I know nothing about. But I am entirely at fault on this - I should not have assumed and sprout off on something I know nothing about.

[Aztecfan03]

You do realize they're not pulling the Jackson 20's out of circulation, right? You do realize that we reprint currency all the time, right?
exactly

The stages of conservative reaction to this:

- Whatever, I don't care
- This is unnecessary and irrelevant, just catering to political correctness
- What is this going to cost taxpayers? Don't we have more important things to spend our money on?
- Stop trying to erase history!
- Stop criticizing me for voicing my opinion! Chilling effect!!
Not at all.

[DMX7]

That description is on the topic of changing bills, cash machines, magnetic and optical sensors. Like everyone else, there are some topics I know a lot about and some I know nothing about. But I am entirely at fault on this - I should not have assumed and sprout off on something I know nothing about.

Currency redesigns happen every so often to keep up with counterfeiting anyway, so I don't think this really reintroduces any costs that weren't already going to have to take place.

[boutons_deux]

If anybody were really worried about currency costs, they'd be asking to abolish the penny, whose metal inputs cost more than its monetary value.

Prices would be in multiples of 5 cents. no more laughable, "psychology" bullshit like $99.99.

And replace $1 and $5 bills coins which would last a lot longer than the paper bills.

Americans are so fucking retarded, constipated about their currency.

[CosmicCowboy]

If anybody were really worried about currency costs, they'd be asking to abolish the penny, whose metal inputs cost more than its monetary value.

Prices would be in multiples of 5 cents. no more laughable, "psychology" bullshit like $99.99.

And replace $1 and $5 bills coins which would last a lot longer than the paper bills.

Americans are so fucking retarded, constipated about their currency.

Yeah, the Susan B Anthony's were such a raging success....

[boutons_deux]

Yeah, the Susan B Anthony's were such a raging success....

Proof that Americans really are constipated about their currency cheese, which nobody better move.