Was Aldridge worth it, tbh?

[HarlemHeat37]

Worth it?

[Robz4000]

Eh, they'd be a pretender either way with Splitter hurt most of the time these days. Just gotta hope Green regresses (positively) to the mean.

[midnightpulp]

Maybe Green should adjust? Everyone else has seen boosts to their offense beside him. The excuses for his scrub play have ran out.

[dabom]

Spurs are 18-5. Tiago is just a fucking DNP- pussy. When Manu and Tim retire we can't role out tiago.

[spursistan]

Maybe Green should adjust? Everyone else has seen boosts to their offense beside him. The excuses for his scrub play have ran out.

[ParadoxEN]

Danny needs to take more contested shots, IMO. The alternative is a TO for him...

[SpursFan86]

Ehh I think it's bullshit to just put all the blame on LMA when it comes to Danny Green playing like shit. LMA isn't forcing Green to pass up decent looks and instead dribble and do whatever the hell he tries doing. Kawhi is having a career year and Parker actually looks like an NBA player again. Other guys are adjusting fine - Green is the only one who looks like he completely forgot how to play basketball.

Regardless, we're one week into December. A bit unfair to ask this question this early on in the season.

[Budkin]

We'll be ok.

[dabom]

BEST DEFENSE in 10 years for the Spurs. Not at home and Kawhi still battling stomach sickness and we lose by 3. I'll take it.

[Johnny RIngo]

Two of the Spurs top three scorers being playoff choke artists(Parker and LMA) has me very worried about the current team's chances in the postseason.

[Nathan89]

I'm not prepared to blame LMA for Green's suckage. LMA being so damn soft and down right incompetent in some important parts the game are issues for me. This year we are better off with him.

[ElNono]

He was worth it, and there's just going to be nights like tonight where the team just doesn't step up to the plate in the regular season grind...

[AFMadison]

Obviously he is in a vacuum, but Aldridge's addition has transformed Green into one of the worst starters in the league, after being one of the 2 best perimeter role players in the league since 2013:lol..worthless Danny Green = Spurs are just a pretender, as we have seen since 2012..

It would seem worth it if Aldridge was playing like a star, but he's been extremely underwhelming, so far..
Lol blaming Aldridge for Green's poor play

[apalisoc_9]

Maybe Green should adjust? Everyone else has seen boosts to their offense beside him. The excuses for his scrub play have ran out.

Thats the problem mid, hes trying to adjsut by putting the ball in the ground. He can actually still be a great player if he accepts the fact that hes just that a 3 and D player. Way too many times this year hes passed up a semi open shot for the dribble. When Leonard and Parker are on the floor there should be no reason for him to be running horns.

As for the subject in hand, i dont think Aldridge is worth it.

[AFMadison]

Sounds like something the Kawhi-tards do when Kawhi has a bad game.
"oh noooo Tony wouldn't pass him the ball"

[slick'81]

Just to get rid of splitters contract yes

[313]

I may be grasping at straws here, but maybe Danny has just become complacent and lacks the drive he had before when he was trying to stay in the NBA, or was in a contract year. Dude has accomplished as much as he can hope to accomplish being the niche skill guy he is.

[BatManu20]

Danny is still getting a ton of good looks, he's just missing them.. Can't blame that on LMA. He's in a shooting funk right now. I'm sure he'll break out of it eventually. It just sucks playing the waiting game.

In terms of Aldridge, he was definitely worth it and we're far better off with him than with Tiago imo. Splitter still can't get on the floor for the Hawks bc he's still injured. I'm sure it'd be no different here.

[weeks]

fucker wastes his load on the hapless sixers of course

[313]

Thats the problem mid, hes trying to adjsut by putting the ball in the ground. He can actually still be a great player if he accepts the fact that hes just that a 3 and D player. Way too many times this year hes passed up a semi open shot for the dribble.
That's on Pop. Pop has never been shy in pulling Green when he screws up. Pop is obviously too senile to realize Green dribble drives are cancerous.

[apalisoc_9]

The correct move whe he doesnt have a shot is to either dribble shoot or move the ball. Hes not willing to do any of this.

[HarlemHeat37]

The only difference between this year's Spurs team and last year's is Aldridge, unless you think Splitter and Joseph are the reason Green went from a 40%+ 3 shooter to a player that can't make anything anymore:lol..

The current Spurs team is clearly fool's gold..easy schedule + other expected contenders starting slow + they have been carried by Kawhi playing like the 2nd best player in the NBA, and Parker playing at the same level he did last November, which isn't going to last, clearly..

Green being unable to make 3s makes him unplayable, he becomes Andre Roberson, which is useless in today's NBA..that leaves Mills as the only shooter on the roster, and it forces the Spurs to over-use Manu, along with expecting inexperienced players like Anderson and Simmons to give playoff minutes(which doesn't work in the NBA, they'll both foul out in 5 minutes with the way refs treat unknown guys)..

They essentially killed their style of play/rotation to become a mid-range 2 shooting team that no longer has any depth on the perimeter, and is relying heavily on 2 ancient players to dominate(Parker/Ginobili)..

[siraulo23]

green had open looks all game long and couldnt hit anything tbh

if anything green's decline can be associated with parker's decline, not the addition of aldridge

[ParadoxEN]

Two of the Spurs top three scorers being playoff choke artists(Parker and LMA) has me very worried about the current team's chances in the postseason.

The Spurs gonna live and die by LMA midrange and DG 3, IMO. They make em and they'll win. Otherwise they lose.

[HarlemHeat37]

Lol blaming Aldridge for Green's poor play

Yes, a player in his athletic prime forgot how to play basketball, all of a sudden:lol

[Johnny RIngo]

In any case, Spurs title window was shut closed the second they offered Parker that undeserved $45 million extension imo

[HarlemHeat37]

green had open looks all game long and couldnt hit anything tbh

if anything green's decline can be associated with parker's decline, not the addition of aldridge
Green had a career year, last season, with Parker having his worst season..

[Floyd Pacquiao]

:lol Danny missed liked 5 open 3s tonight. His shot is just broken af rn

[td4mvp21]

That's on Pop. Pop has never been shy in pulling Green when he screws up. Pop is obviously too senile to realize Green dribble drives are cancerous.

Agreed. Danny has always had a short leash. Pop must have given him the green light.

[midnightpulp]

The only difference between this year's Spurs team and last year's is Aldridge, unless you think Splitter and Joseph are the reason Green went from a 40%+ 3 shooter to a player that can't make anything anymore:lol..

The current Spurs team is clearly fool's gold..easy schedule + other expected contenders starting slow + they have been carried by Kawhi playing like the 2nd best player in the NBA, and Parker playing at the same level he did last November, which isn't going to last, clearly..

Green being unable to make 3s makes him unplayable, he becomes Andre Roberson, which is useless in today's NBA..that leaves Mills as the only shooter on the roster, and it forces the Spurs to over-use Manu, along with expecting inexperienced players like Anderson and Simmons to give playoff minutes(which doesn't work in the NBA, they'll both foul out in 5 minutes with the way refs treat unknown guys)..

They essentially killed their style of play/rotation to become a mid-range 2 shooting team that no longer has any depth on the perimeter, and is relying heavily on 2 ancient players to dominate(Parker/Ginobili)..

And Danny getting a big contract. And I don't mean he's taking it easy. I think he's over thinking and trying too hard. Whatever he's going through is mental. It's not that difficult for a shooter to adjust.

[ElNono]

It's not like Danny isn't getting great looks... he's just not hitting them... it's nothing new either, that's why they called him Icy/Hot.... he's just been Icy/Icy this season so far...

[timtonymanu]

Probably. It was a risky gamble indeed since Aldridge so far has looked pretty soft and underwhelming in the playoffs. But Splitter has been very fragile as well.

I think if the Warriors weren't on such a historic start, this wouldn't be much of an issue but they definitely need Green to be hitting his 3s to compete with the Dubs.

[Johnny RIngo]

The Spurs gonna live and die by LMA midrange and DG 3, IMO. They make em and they'll win. Otherwise they lose.

Looking at LMA's career playoff percentages, Spurs are most likely gonna lose

[spurraider21]

what does aldridge's addition have to do with green trying to become a ball-handler :lol...

[midnightpulp]

Also, Danny has historically had bouts of choking when expectations are high. Once he realized the historic run he was on in the 2013 Finals, he proceeded to go like 1-12 or something

[spurtech09]

Another one of these threads.....Once the Spurs win again everything is fine and dandy lol.....Once the Spurs lose again half of the people are Spurstalk will have a meltdown and will bring up every excuse in the book....

[spurtech09]

Spurstalk Meltdown!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[RD2191]

Nope. LMA is trash and a playoff choker. Should of kept Tiago and our depth imo.

[HarlemHeat37]

2012: 44% from 3, 15.5 PER, 2 VORP(#2 on the team), 3 BPM(#3), 4.5 WS(#5)
2013: 43% from 3, 14.1 PER, 2.9 VORP(#2), 3.3 BPM(#4), 5.9 WS(#5)
2014: 42% from 3, 13.9 PER, 2.2 VORP(#4), 3.3 BPM(#3), 4.2 WS(#9)
2015: 42% from 3, 16.5 PER, 4.1 VORP(#2), 5 BPM(#3), 7.8 WS(#3)
2016: 29% from 3, 7 PER, 0.3 VORP(#9), -0.4 BPM(#11), 0.7 WS(#10)

He went from Draymond Green-level advanced metrics to arguably the worst starter in the conference in half a year:lol..I'm not sure if there's ever been a similar example in league history..the only difference is the addition of Aldridge, unless you think Tiago was the reason for Green's success:lol

[siraulo23]

Green had a career year, last season, with Parker having his worst season..

green's been getting a decent amount of open looks the last 10 games or so, vs the raptors i can remember at least 3 wide open threes he was not able to make

it may be just an off year for danny tbh

[ParadoxEN]

Looking at LMA's career playoff percentages, Spurs are most likely gonna lose

Yep, can't disagree

[HarlemHeat37]

Another one of these threads.....Once the Spurs win again everything is fine and dandy lol.....Once the Spurs lose again half of the people are Spurstalk will have a meltdown and will bring up every excuse in the book....

I've been saying the Spurs aren't as good as their record for a while:lol

[benefactor]

Spurs will be fine.

[baseline bum]

Also, Danny has historically had bouts of choking when expectations are high. Once he realized the historic run he was on in the 2013 Finals, he proceeded to go like 1-12 or something

That was Miami running him off the three point line after five games of just letting him shoot. Philibeaner finally made the obvious adjustment.

[SpursFan86]

Nope. LMA is trash and a playoff choker. Should of kept Tiago and our depth imo.

Tiago has already missed 8 games this year :lol

Losing Baynes is a non-issue.

I guess it'd be nice to have Belinelli's shooting back, but I don't miss his awful defense at all.

CoJo is good and all but not enough to make me regret getting Aldridge :lol

[spurtech09]

Spurs will be fine.+1,000

[HarlemHeat37]

what does aldridge's addition have to do with green trying to become a ball-handler :lol...

Green can't make jump shots anymore..his occasional turnover would be fine if he wasn't shooting so terribly from 3, which makes him Andre Roberson..

[dabom]

2012: 44% from 3, 15.5 PER, 2 VORP(#2 on the team), 3 BPM(#3), 4.5 WS(#5)
2013: 43% from 3, 14.1 PER, 2.9 VORP(#2), 3.3 BPM(#4), 5.9 WS(#5)
2014: 42% from 3, 13.9 PER, 2.2 VORP(#4), 3.3 BPM(#3), 4.2 WS(#9)
2015: 42% from 3, 16.5 PER, 4.1 VORP(#2), 5 BPM(#3), 7.8 WS(#3)
2016: 29% from 3, 7 PER, 0.3 VORP(#9), -0.4 BPM(#11), 0.7 WS(#10)

He went from Draymond Green-level advanced metrics to arguably the worst starter in the conference in half a year:lol..I'm not sure if there's ever been a similar example in league history..the only difference is the addition of Aldridge, unless you think Tiago was the reason for Green's success:lol

You think Green is missing those threes cause of LMA?

[Kawhitstorm]

The only difference between this year's Spurs team and last year's is Aldridge, unless you think Splitter and Joseph are the reason Green went from a 40%+ 3 shooter to a player that can't make anything anymore:lol..


Are we blaming LMA for Danny's shitty shooting performance against the Clippers which basically cost the Spurs the series even w/ Porker being the worst point guard in the postseason & Tiago massaging his vagina?

Dude is missing wide open 3s like he at this point of the season back in 2013: http://www.poundingtherock.com/2013/12/21/5231230/danny-green-spurs-three-point-shooting-analysis

As far as LMA, I've always said Gasol would be a better fit (which you vehemently disagreed) b/c he can affect the game on BOTH ends without scoring. He would have been an oversized version of Diaw & the offense wouldn't have needed to be isolation heavy although Porkers decline required it to a certain extent.

[HarlemHeat37]

It's not like Danny isn't getting great looks... he's just not hitting them... it's nothing new either, that's why they called him Icy/Hot.... he's just been Icy/Icy this season so far...

I don't think he has ever had a stretch this bad, tbh..

Adding Aldridge was supposed to make things easier for the role players, too, which clearly hasn't been the case, as he himself has become a role player:lol..they're very fortunate Parker is having a great start..

[SpurPadre]

Also, Danny has historically had bouts of choking when expectations are high. Once he realized the historic run he was on in the 2013 Finals, he proceeded to go like 1-12 or something

And TP giving the Heat chalkboard material about it, asking any and everyone why they weren't defending him as if he were a threat to civilization.

[SuperCam]

Without LMAlpha this team has 10 losses already, tbh

[baseline bum]

I love Aldridge's defense, but man this team has gone from running one of the most beautiful offenses in the league to one that's downright ugly to watch. It's like late 1990s / early 2000s Spurs minus prime Duncan.

[dabom]

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Age
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GS
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FGA
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3P
3PA
3P%
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eFG%
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DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
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PTS


2010-11 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02/gamelog/2011/)
23
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2011.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011.html)
SG
4
0
1.8
0.5
1.5
.333
0.3
1.0
.250
0.3
0.5
.500
.417
0.0
0.0

0.0
0.3
0.3
0.5
0.3
0.3
0.3
0.3
1.3


2011-12 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02/gamelog/2012/)
24
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2012.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2012.html)
SG
14
12
20.6
2.7
6.5
.418
1.4
4.1
.345
1.3
2.4
.545
.527
0.5
0.7
.700
0.2
3.0
3.2
1.1
0.5
0.7
1.1
1.7
7.4


2012-13 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02/gamelog/2013/)
25
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2013.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2013.html)
SG
21
21
31.9
4.0
8.9
.446
2.6
5.4
.482
1.3
3.4
.389
.594
0.6
0.7
.800
0.9
3.3
4.1
1.5
1.0
1.1
0.9
2.4
11.1


2013-14 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02/gamelog/2014/) ❍
26
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2014.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2014.html)
SG
23
23
23.0
3.4
6.9
.491
2.1
4.4
.475
1.3
2.5
.517
.642
0.4
0.5
.818
0.4
2.6
3.0
0.9
1.4
0.7
0.9
2.2
9.3


2014-15 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02/gamelog/2015/)
27
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2015.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015.html)
SG
7
7
29.1
3.0
8.7
.344
1.7
5.7
.300
1.3
3.0
.429
.443
0.6
0.9
.667
1.0
2.1
3.1
2.1
1.0
1.0
0.7
1.7
8.3


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NBA

69
63
24.6
3.2
7.3
.441
2.0
4.6
.429
1.2
2.7
.462
.577
0.5
0.6
.762
0.5
2.7
3.2
1.2
1.0
0.8
0.9
2.0
8.9





Playoffs Advanced

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Tm
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G
MP
PER
TS%
3PAr
FTr
ORB%
DRB%
TRB%
AST%
STL%
BLK%
TOV%
USG%

OWS
DWS
WS
WS/48

OBPM
DBPM
BPM
VORP


2010-11 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02/gamelog/2011/)
23
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2011.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011.html)
SG
4
7
26.0
.417
.667
.000
0.0
17.0
8.3
70.8
7.6
10.3
14.3
46.9

0.0
0.0
0.0
.027

11.4
12.0
23.4
0.0


2011-12 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02/gamelog/2012/)
24
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2012.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2012.html)
SG
14
289
11.7
.540
.637
.110
1.3
16.3
9.1
7.9
1.3
2.5
13.6
17.8

0.1
0.3
0.4
.065

-0.2
1.6
1.4
0.3


2012-13 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02/gamelog/2013/)
25
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2013.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2013.html)
SG
21
669
15.2
.605
.613
.081
3.2
11.5
7.5
7.4
1.8
2.6
9.0
15.0

1.2
0.9
2.1
.154

3.7
2.1
5.8
1.3


2013-14 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02/gamelog/2014/) ❍
26
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2014.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2014.html)
SG
23
529
16.5
.650
.635
.069
2.0
13.0
7.6
5.9
3.1
2.6
10.9
16.1

0.9
1.0
1.9
.172

3.9
3.4
7.3
1.2


2014-15 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02/gamelog/2015/)
27
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2015.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015.html)
SG
7
204
10.5
.456
.656
.098
3.5
8.1
5.8
10.8
1.7
2.7
7.3
15.1

0.1
0.2
0.2
.053

-0.7
2.9
2.2
0.2




Seems like Green was playing bad before LMA tbh. :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

Are we blaming LMA for Danny's shitty shooting performance against the Clippers which basically cost the Spurs the series even w/ Porker being the worst point guard in the postseason & Tiago massaging his vagina?

Dude is missing wide open 3s like he was back at this point of the season back in 2013: http://www.poundingtherock.com/2013/12/21/5231230/danny-green-spurs-three-point-shooting-analysis

As far as LMA, I've always said Gasol would be a better fit (which you vehemently disagreed) b/c he can affect the game on BOTH ends without scoring. He would have been an oversized version of Diaw & the offense wouldn't have need to be isolation heavy although Porkers decline required it to a certain extent.

.

He was disappointing vs. the Clippers, but nowhere near the shitty player he is right now, tbh..he was also the best player in game 7 for the Spurs, too, and current Green hasn't shown any flashes of that, at any point, this season, unfortunately..

If this is who he is now, the Spurs aren't winning anything, sadly..

[Robz4000]

Spurs will be fine.

[Kawhitstorm]

I love Aldridge's defense, but man this team has gone from running one of the most beautiful offenses in the league to one that's downright ugly to watch. It's like late 1990s / early 2000s Spurs minus prime Duncan.

How many times have you seen this season, when they whipped the ball around & Danny ended up throwing up a brick.

[dabom]

I don't know how anyone is blaming LMA for Green tbh. :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

You think Green is missing those threes cause of LMA?

Nope, I think the new system clearly exposes his weaknesses, which isn't worth the trade, since Aldridge's impact has been minimal, unfortunately..

There's no logic in a player that shot 40% from 3 in every season(on high volume, too) becoming a bad 3-point shooter, all of a sudden:lol

[Kawhitstorm]

He was disappointing vs. the Clippers, but nowhere near the shitty player he is right now, tbh..he was also the best player in game 7 for the Spurs, too, and current Green hasn't shown any flashes of that, at any point, this season, unfortunately..

If this is who he is now, the Spurs aren't winning anything, sadly..

If he fuckin' moved the ball instead of trying to dribble penetrate, it would solve half of his issue on offense. Don't get me started on him trying to run PnPs w/ LMA:bang.

[siraulo23]

I love Aldridge's defense, but man this team has gone from running one of the most beautiful offenses in the league to one that's downright ugly to watch. It's like late 1990s / early 2000s Spurs minus prime Duncan.

i think the raptors guards burning aldridge every time is a small preview of whats gonna happen in the playoffs if the spurs keep switching on the pick and rolls, its gonna be a nightmare tbh

[InTheCrust]

I was at the game tonight,couldn't believe how many times he decided to put the ball on the floor and "create". The spurs aren't the same team, so he needs to start firing away when he's got even and inch of space

[ElNono]

I don't think he has ever had a stretch this bad, tbh..

Adding Aldridge was supposed to make things easier for the role players, too, which clearly hasn't been the case, as he himself has become a role player:lol..they're very fortunate Parker is having a great start..

His defense hasn't slipped, AFAIK, we're ranked better defensively than last season... he's just freaking garbage from 3 and so his "adjustment" of putting the ball on the floor has been an epic disaster...

But, he's still getting great looks from 3... just gotta keep shooting, I suppose...

[dabom]

Nope, I think the new system clearly exposes his weaknesses, which isn't worth the trade, since Aldridge's impact has been minimal, unfortunately..

The old system still had Green shooting like shit and playing subpar defense in the playoffs before a system change and the arrival of LMA.

[Kawhitstorm]

Nope, I think the new system clearly exposes his weaknesses, which isn't worth the trade, since Aldridge's impact has been minimal, unfortunately.

If he's dribble penetrating by design then Matt Barnes would be a better option as he is a very good slasher, thb.

[SpursFan86]

Nope, I think the new system clearly exposes his weaknesses, which isn't worth the trade, since Aldridge's impact has been minimal, unfortunately..

There's no logic in a player that shot 40% from 3 in every season(on high volume, too) becoming a bad 3-point shooter, all of a sudden:lol

Cold streak (something he's been prone to in the past) + getting by far the largest contract of his career which possibly makes him think he needs to be doing more (or is getting in his head when it comes to expectation) seems fairly reasonable. Just as reasonable as the new system suddenly making him miss open looks that he's never had problems hitting in previous years.

[HarlemHeat37]

The old system still had Green shooting like shit and playing subpar defense in the playoffs before a system change and the arrival of LMA.

You're comparing a 6-game sample size against playoff-intensity defense to a 23-game sample size against an easy schedule and getting a ton of open looks:lol..he was also the best Spur in game 7, whereas he has barely even had a decent game, so far, this season..

[FkLA]

LMA is fine. I think we all expected his offensive production to dip.

LDN needs to only be allowed to dribble once if he fakes the three. Develop that in between game like Bowen did.

[spurraider21]

Green can't make jump shots anymore..his occasional turnover would be fine if he wasn't shooting so terribly from 3, which makes him Andre Roberson..
he's still getting quality looks though, it's really farfetched to blame LMA

[dabom]

You're comparing a 6-game sample size against playoff-intensity defense to a 23-game sample size against an easy schedule and getting a ton of open looks:lol

You just said it yourself. Open looks. Is that a bad thing? And how is LMA to blame for that? :lol

[Nathan89]

2015 3pt: 6ft wide open 2.3 attempts 52.5%, 4-6ft wide open 2.3 attempts 36.7%
2016 3pt: 6ft wide open 1.9 attempts 31.7%, 4-6ft wide open 2 attempts 22.2%

It's LMA's fault:madrun

:lmao

[Kawhitstorm]

2012: 44% from 3, 15.5 PER, 2 VORP(#2 on the team), 3 BPM(#3), 4.5 WS(#5)
2013: 43% from 3, 14.1 PER, 2.9 VORP(#2), 3.3 BPM(#4), 5.9 WS(#5)
2014: 42% from 3, 13.9 PER, 2.2 VORP(#4), 3.3 BPM(#3), 4.2 WS(#9)
2015: 42% from 3, 16.5 PER, 4.1 VORP(#2), 5 BPM(#3), 7.8 WS(#3)
2016: 29% from 3, 7 PER, 0.3 VORP(#9), -0.4 BPM(#11), 0.7 WS(#10)

He went from Draymond Green-level advanced metrics to arguably the worst starter in the conference in half a year:lol..I'm not sure if there's ever been a similar example in league history..the only difference is the addition of Aldridge, unless you think Tiago was the reason for Green's success:lol

Dude has turned into Lance Stephenson in a Hornets jersey:lol

[MaNu4Tres]

I know this is going to sound weird, but I've noticed Dannys' shooting isn't the same this year. I'm not talking about % wise, I'm talking about his form and touch. It seems his form isn't as consistent as it's been in the past and his shot isn't as soft. Maybe the bandage on one of his shooting fingers has something to do with it? I don't know.

[Kawhitstorm]

LMA is fine. I think we all expected his offensive production to dip.

LDN needs to only be allowed to dribble once if he fakes the three. Develop that in between game like Bowen did.

He was pulling up for 2 last season but this season he has decided he's going to drive to the hole & throw up his shitty floater or turn the ball over; maybe it was something he worked on in the summer in an empty gym.

[HarlemHeat37]

2015 3pt: 6ft wide open 2.3 attempts 52.5%, 4-6ft wide open 2.3 attempts 36.7%
2016 3pt: 6ft wide open 1.9 attempts 31.7%, 4-6ft wide open 2 attempts 22.2%

It's LMA's fault:madrun

:lmao

Doug Collins explained the difference in systems during the Spurs' TNT game earlier in the year..he said Green would be making the biggest adjustment and suffering the most as a rhythm shooter by catching and shooting from completely different sets and looks(penetration and motion vs. post-up/mid-range action) than he has been accustomed to as the designated shooter on the team for the past 4 years..

Green's struggles would be worth it if Aldridge was doing anything of note, too, which is the point of the thread..

[siraulo23]

interesting stats by nathan89 tbh ^

[Kawhitstorm]

I know this is going to sound weird, but I've noticed Dannys' shooting isn't the same this year. I'm not talking about % wise, I'm talking about his form and touch. It seems his form isn't as consistent as it's been in the past and his shot isn't as soft. Maybe the bandage on one of his shooting fingers has something to do with it? I don't know.

Maybe he's silently suffering like Batum was last season when he had a shitty season playing in the same system he had success in previously while playing w/ none other than LMA:lol. Maybe LMA was the curse that brought all those injuries upon the Blazers franchise: Roy, Oden, Wes (Batum got injured playing for France)

[Nathan89]

Cold streak (something he's been prone to in the past) + getting by far the largest contract of his career which possibly makes him think he needs to be doing more (or is getting in his head when it comes to expectation) seems fairly reasonable. Just as reasonable as the new system suddenly making him miss open looks that he's never had problems hitting in previous years.

The pressure of a big contract is a major reason why I think he is not doing well. I think him being willing to take less show a natural reluctance to such a large contract.

[Kawhitstorm]

Doug Collins explained the difference in systems during the Spurs' TNT game earlier in the year..he said Green would be making the biggest adjustment and suffering the most as a rhythm shooter by catching and shooting from completely different sets and looks(penetration and motion vs. post-up/mid-range action) than he has been accustomed to as the designated shooter on the team for the past 4 years..

Green's struggles would be worth it if Aldridge was doing anything of note, too, which is the point of the thread..

I heard the Doug Collins TV live but Danny has been so abominable that it would be difficult to pursued anyone that the system changing has turned him into Kirby status when it comes to shooting the ball.

[dabom]

The pressure of a big contract is a major reason why I think he is not doing well. I think him being willing to take less show a natural reluctance to such a large contract.

I was thinking this earlier too. He is trying to expand his game to justify his paycheck relative to the Spurs old contracts and not to the new cap raise.

[HarlemHeat37]

I heard the Doug Collins TV live but Danny has been so abominable that it would be difficult to pursued anyone that the system changing has turned him into Kirby status when it comes to shooting the ball.

Maybe, but I've never seen a player decline so badly in shooting, tbh, I don't really believe this is some Space Jam shit:lol

[admiralsnackbar]

:lol OP acts as though he's never watched an 82 game regular season. Crying time begins in March, if necessary.

[MaNu4Tres]

2015 3pt: 6ft wide open 2.3 attempts 52.5%, 4-6ft wide open 2.3 attempts 36.7%
2016 3pt: 6ft wide open 1.9 attempts 31.7%, 4-6ft wide open 2 attempts 22.2%

It's LMA's fault:madrun

:lmao

I don't know what the hell is up with his mid-range pull ups this year. The guy drifts towards the basket and throws up a shot put floater w/ two hands-- which he shoots with the bottom of his palm.....

If he just would go straight up and down and use all wrist that shot would be significantly easier.

That two handed drifting floater/midrange pull up is beyond tilting

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol OP acts as though he's never watched an 82 game regular season. Crying time begins in March, if necessary.

Ugh, I'm always one of the anti-meltdown posters..I was one of the only posters on ST that was still confident they would win the West in 2013 and 2014 when 95% of the forum was crying about losing to the other "contenders" and overrating them:lol..on the opposite side, I also made a thread saying they would lose to the Clippers in 7, last year..it's pretty obvious when the Spurs are coasting or "figuring it out" IMO..

This is genuine concern and a real thing to worry about..this team has major problems that are going to be difficult to solve..

[admiralsnackbar]

Maybe, but I've never seen a player decline so badly in shooting, tbh, I don't really believe this is some Space Jam shit:lol Rotations are off, so shooting has followed. LDN sucked when he first joined the Spurs, and he sucks again now that the Spurs are a new team. Why do you believe it's a permanent condition?

[Kawhitstorm]

Maybe, but I've never seen a player decline so badly in shooting, tbh, I don't really believe this is some Space Jam shit:lol

I'm just chalking it up to some type of injury or one of the worst slumps in recent memory. At this point, Pop might as well start Simmons/Kyle & bring him off the bench since they move the ball better than the starters then reinsert him once he breaks out of his slump. Something needs to be done to break his slump & playing w/ the starters isn't doing it since he insists on dribble penetrating.

[admiralsnackbar]

Ugh, I'm always one of the anti-meltdown posters..I was one of the only posters on ST that was still confident they would win the West in 2013 and 2014 when 95% of the forum was crying about losing to the other "contenders" and overrating them:lol..on the opposite side, I also made a thread saying they would lose to the Clippers in 7, last year..it's pretty obvious when the Spurs are coasting or "figuring it out" IMO.. This is genuine concern and a real thing to worry about..this team has major problems that are going to be difficult to solve.. Why?

[dabom]

Ugh, I'm always one of the anti-meltdown posters..I was one of the only posters on ST that was still confident they would win the West in 2013 and 2014 when 95% of the forum was crying about losing to the other "contenders" and overrating them:lol..on the opposite side, I also made a thread saying they would lose to the Clippers in 7, last year..it's pretty obvious when the Spurs are coasting or "figuring it out" IMO..

This is genuine concern and a real thing to worry about..this team has major problems that are going to be difficult to solve..

I also said the Spurs were going to lose with Tony playing a huge role and average minutes. Not that hard to see. Are you saying the Spurs are going to lose the playoffs this early in the season?

[dabom]

This is a meltdown thread tbh. The Spurs FO is one of the greatest in all sports. Really hard to bet against that when LMA has not been the problem.

[Nathan89]

LMA really needs an athletic pg who can drive and hit threes like Lillard to really work well in the offense. If he's going to provide some space then you need other players to benefit at the rim and beyond the arc.

[SpursFan86]

I mean I'm not saying there should be no concerns at all, but this seems pretty meltdown-ish tbh. Do you really think/expect both Aldridge and Green will continue this way for the rest of the season?

If things are still looking like this in February, fine. But we're hardly into December at this point and it's not like we've looked that bad (even considering the easy schedule).

[-21-]

Slightly off-topic but Pop needs to get back to shouting at Green. He was at his best when he was Pop's whipping boy. Pop obviously knows Danny is struggling (giving some of his minutes to Simmons/Anderson) but it seems like he's okay with Danny dribbling the ball and making bad decisions. Did Pop give him the green light to do this?

[HarlemHeat37]

Why?

- They're attempting to integrate a high-usage player(Aldridge) into a completely different system than he's accustomed to, while simultaneously utilizing his star-level qualities and abilities..currently, he has fit in well as a hybrid role player that has barely shown flashes of being able to dominate, which is fine, but it's not why they acquired him..

I'm not giving up on him, at all, I've been saying that I don't expect the Spurs to get it together until February, but it's not a task that has a lot of successful precedents in the history of the league, especially a team with the Spurs' style of play..generally speaking, adding a player of that caliber to a team like the Spurs is either going to: 1-fail 2-minimize that player's contributions

- They're still relying on 2 ancient players(Parker/Ginobili) to do heavy lifting as the ball-handlers/penetrators/creators, even as early as November..Parker was great last November, Ginobili had his best month in years last December, neither of them had anything left later in the season

- Green becoming a scrub, obviously, leaving questionable perimeter depth, and only 1 shooter on the team(also streaky)..it's certainly possible that he gets it together, but this cold streak is long enough to begin worrying

- Style of play that hasn't won in the NBA since the Lakers of 2010

[HarlemHeat37]

I also said the Spurs were going to lose with Tony playing a huge role and average minutes. Not that hard to see. Are you saying the Spurs are going to lose the playoffs this early in the season?

The competition is relatively weak, so even if nothing changes, the Spurs could still potentially get to the WCFs IMO..Warriors are way too good, though..

[dabom]

The competition is relatively weak, so even if nothing changes, the Spurs could still potentially get to the WCFs IMO..Warriors are way too good, though..

I think the Warriors cool off later in the season but still end up with the first seed. Spurs ramp it up after the Rodeo Road trip and beat everyone for a tough Finals vs the cavs.

[HarlemHeat37]

This thread is about Danny Green becoming shitty, btw, not about the team overall:lol..

I was at the game tonight, I've been going to Spurs-Raps games for years, the Spurs always struggle in Toronto, the loss itself is irrelevant..

[Kawhitstorm]

This is a meltdown thread tbh. The Spurs FO is one of the greatest in all sports. Really hard to bet against that when LMA has not been the problem.

It's too early in the season, the Cavs were playing like ass at this point last season. LeBron was struggling & had to take a midseason vacation; it also took Love 2/3 of the season before he got comfortable playing his role.

[dabom]

It's too early in the season, the Cavs were playing like ass at this point last season. LeBron was struggling & had to take a midseason vacation; it also took Love 2/3 of the season before he got comfortable playing his role.


:wtf

[Kawhitstorm]

LMA really needs an athletic pg who can drive and hit threes like Lillard to really work well in the offense. If he's going to provide some space then you need other players to benefit at the rim and beyond the arc.

Pop could easily do that by running PnPs w/ Kawhi/LMA.

[dabom]

This thread is about Danny Green becoming shitty, btw, not about the team overall:lol..

I was at the game tonight, I've been going to Spurs-Raps games for years, the Spurs always struggle in Toronto, the loss itself is irrelevant..

I don't doubt danny is shitty at this point. But to attribute it to LMA is stretching it considering danny is getting his looks and space.

[admiralsnackbar]

- They're attempting to integrate a high-usage player(Aldridge) into a completely different system than he's accustomed to, while simultaneously utilizing his star-level qualities and abilities..currently, he has fit in well as a hybrid role player that has barely shown flashes of being able to dominate, which is fine, but it's not why they acquired him.. I'm not giving up on him, at all, I've been saying that I don't expect the Spurs to get it together until February, but it's not a task that has a lot of successful precedents in the history of the league, especially a team with the Spurs' style of play..generally speaking, adding a player of that caliber to a team like the Spurs is either going to: 1-fail 2-minimize that player's contributions - They're still relying on 2 ancient players(Parker/Ginobili) to do heavy lifting as the ball-handlers/penetrators/creators, even as early as November..Parker was great last November, Ginobili had his best month in years last December, neither of them had anything left later in the season - Green becoming a scrub, obviously, leaving questionable perimeter depth, and only 1 shooter on the team(also streaky)..it's certainly possible that he gets it together, but this cold streak is long enough to begin worrying - Style of play that hasn't won in the NBA since the Lakers of 2010 Thanks for articulating that for me, but dude... take a deep breath. You're right that there are significant issues, but I just don't see them as being as pronounced as any issues this team reckoned with in '12-15. Again: come March, should this squad continue to struggle, I will eat crow. I just don't see the need to in December, however.

[Kawhitstorm]

I don't doubt danny is shitty at this point. But to attribute it to LMA is stretching it considering danny is getting his looks and space.

Danny should be sent to the D-League so he can break out of his slump, if that doesn't work then trade him along w/ Bonner for Lance/Josh Smith:lol

[dabom]

Danny should be sent to the D-League so he can break out of his slump, if that doesn't work then trade him along w/ Bonner for Lance/Josh Smith:lol

You can't be serious right? :lol

[Calispursfan11]

Obviously he is worth it in a vacuum and you take a star player if you can, but Aldridge's addition has transformed Green into one of the worst starters in the league, after being one of the 2 best perimeter role players in the league since 2013:lol..worthless Danny Green = Spurs are just a pretender, as we have seen since 2012..

It would definitely be worth it if Aldridge was playing like a star, but he's been extremely underwhelming, so far..

He's been bad. Real bad. Much if this is due to his weight gain so if he can shed about 35 lbs over the next couple of months, there is hope.

[ElNono]

There's no doubt we're a much easier team to deal with if Danny isn't punishing teams with his 3 point shot... but that was the same the last couple of seasons too, tbh...

Even having a guy like Beli was sometimes unplayable... we just have to hope Danny gets his touch back...

[Calispursfan11]

There's no doubt we're a much easier team to deal with if Danny isn't punishing teams with his 3 point shot... but that was the same the last couple of seasons too, tbh...

Even having a guy like Beli was sometimes unplayable... we just have to hope Danny gets his touch back...

It seems like this has gone way beyond a normal slump and it is now a negative mental thing that has taken him over and destroyed his confidence.

[Kawhitstorm]

You can't be serious right? :lol

I'm just saying that he has been just that bad to start the season. Wes Matthews w/ a raptured achilles is having a better season than Danny while playing for a new team.

I wouldn't mind a George Hill for Danny trade since Hill can dribble pentrate & the Pacers also have Monta/Stuckey thus don't need another combo guard especially when Paul George is running the show. Danny can launch 3s freely w/ the Pacers as they have become a run & gun team this season.

[dabom]

I'm just saying that he has been just that bad to start the season. Wes Matthews w/ a raptured achilles is having a better season than Danny while playing for a new team.

I wouldn't mind a George Hill for Danny trade since Hill can dribble pentrate & the Pacers also have Monta/Stuckey thus don't need another combo guard especially when Paul George is running the show. Danny can launch 3s freely w/ the Pacers as they have become a run & gun team this season.

:lol

[soxxx]

This topic is such trash.

[SAGirl]

I may be grasping at straws here, but maybe Danny has just become complacent and lacks the drive he had before when he was trying to stay in the NBA, or was in a contract year. Dude has accomplished as much as he can hope to accomplish being the niche skill guy he is.
In that case, maybe Danny needs a dose of Simmons or Anderson taking minutes from him. Both guys are hungry. Anderson young and in a slower career arc, that he can afford to be in bc Spurs + youth. But Simmons is one hungry dude. He's coming in with passion and edging everyone out with his play.

Just try other things with the SL.

Maybe for all his experimenting, at this point Pop has not wanted to experiment with the SL enough.. on account of chemistry and such. It has hardly been the most effective lineup and was actually a negative for most of the season, until some recent blowout games, in which Kawhi went apeshit.

[houston spurs fan]

Obviously he is worth it in a vacuum and you take a star player if you can, but Aldridge's addition has transformed Green into one of the worst starters in the league, after being one of the 2 best perimeter role players in the league since 2013:lol..worthless Danny Green = Spurs are just a pretender, as we have seen since 2012..

It would definitely be worth it if Aldridge was playing like a star, but he's been extremely underwhelming, so far..
Your mom has probably asked the same question many times

[HarlemHeat37]

Your mom has probably asked the same question many times

My mom is dead, bro, that's pretty lame of you, tbh..

[houston spurs fan]

My mom is dead, bro, that's pretty lame of you, tbh..
Asked was past tense, still applicable.

[ChumpDumper]

Yes.

[HarlemHeat37]

Asked was past tense, still applicable.

Ok..still pretty lame, though, especially considering she died giving birth to my younger brother, as I've said here before(and I remember you replied IIRC)..even on SpursTalk, that's pretty low..

[spurraider21]

His defense hasn't slipped, AFAIK, we're ranked better defensively than last season... he's just freaking garbage from 3 and so his "adjustment" of putting the ball on the floor has been an epic disaster...

But, he's still getting great looks from 3... just gotta keep shooting, I suppose...
this

[Ice009]

I know this is going to sound weird, but I've noticed Dannys' shooting isn't the same this year. I'm not talking about % wise, I'm talking about his form and touch. It seems his form isn't as consistent as it's been in the past and his shot isn't as soft. Maybe the bandage on one of his shooting fingers has something to do with it? I don't know.

Same thing I've noticed. His form looks off/different to me for most of the season. I really don't know what is going on. I'm a shooter myself and you just don't lose your touch overnight like he seems to have. I just don't know what is going on with him, but yes, his form/touch does look a little different to me.

[AFMadison]

Asked was past tense, still applicable.
Forums don't justify cruel intentions. Stick to basketball.

[houston spurs fan]

Forums don't justify cruel intentions. Stick to basketball.
It was a joke, get off the high horse.

[AFMadison]

It was a joke, get off the high horse.
I was joking too..... See how easy it was to determine sarcasm? Or is this a sarcastic statement? Does the spinning top fall over, or was Dicaprio dreaming all of it?

[Mugen]

Absolutely, not even a question IMO.

Even with how LMA has looked so far, at least he's playing while my nigga Tiago is hurt again....

Danny's gotten plenty of great, wide-open looks......not sure how his struggles can be blamed soley on Aldridge tbh. I'm not sure if i'm ready to pull a mini-meltdown in early December with a 19-5 record tbh.

[HarlemHeat37]

To clarify, I meant is the trade-off of the Spurs' version of Aldridge worth losing the Green of the past 3 years?(assuming he doesn't turn it around)..not asking if the Spurs should regret signing Aldridge, of course they shouldn't:lol

Obviously Aldridge over Splitter is a no-brainer, and you don't turn down a player of Aldridge's caliber in his prime, even if he's the big man Iverson and a soft jump-shooter(which he is)..

[skut_farkus]

Aldridge is a black hole and is known to demand a high amount of touches while being quite ineffective. With the exception of matthews (who is currently coming off a Achilles injury) every major player from that portland team is having a much better year without aldridge in the picture.

[Mugen]

Blaming Aldridge as the biggest reason for Green's regression this year is pretty silly, considering Green has gotten GREAT looks the past 5 or so games and he just hasn't knocked them down. Gotta be a point where you stop giving Danny an easy out and just say that he's just flat out sucking tbh.....

[HarlemHeat37]

Blaming Aldridge as the biggest reason for Green's regression this year is pretty silly, considering Green has gotten GREAT looks the past 5 or so games and he just hasn't knocked them down. Gotta be a point where you stop giving Danny an easy out and just say that he's just flat out sucking tbh.....

The entire point of the thread is about Green sucking:lol..

The only difference between this year and the previous 3 is the change in systems and the contract, tbh..maybe it's the latter..

[ChumpDumper]

Maybe it's something you haven't thought of.

[HarlemHeat37]

Maybe it's something you haven't thought of.

I guess maybe it's a Hibbert situation, and TP smashed his girl:lol..

[ChumpDumper]

I guess maybe it's a Hibbert situation, and TP smashed his girl:lol..Maybe it's something you haven't thought of.

[HarlemHeat37]

Maybe it's something you haven't thought of.

Is this where I'm supposed to ask you "like what?", and then you'll ask me something, and then we'll get trapped in the ChumpDumper hurricane of questions?

[Arcadian]

Yes, because he gives the Spurs a higher ceiling.

[Mugen]

Change in the system probably happens this year regardless if LMA comes, due to Kawhi's emergence....but agreed that Aldridge needs to play much better....just don't think he deserves much blame for Danny being garbage offensively so far this season.

Seems to me like a typica (albeit extended) Green shooting slump. It'll be troublesome if it's still an issue in January...then we might have to blame the new contract tbh.

[HarlemHeat37]

I'm not really "blaming" Aldridge, tbh..I just think he's going to have to play a lot better and make much more of an impact to justify and negate Green's historic decline(if it stays this way) following the change in style..he's gonna have to, regardless, as the Spurs aren't going to win if both Green and Aldridge remain in their current form..

[LongtimeSpursFan]

OP has the wrong title for thread. Should state "Was Green worth it, tbh?" $10 million for a 3D guy that can't hit a three or Dribble or pass a ball. I cringe every time he touches the ball. And to think some people on here were saying he was worth $12-$14 million.

[HarlemHeat37]

OP has the wrong title for thread. Should state "Was Green worth it, tbh?" $10 million for a 3D guy that can't hit a three or Dribble or pass a ball. I cringe every time he touches the ball. And to think some people on here were saying he was worth $12-$14 million.

Meh, you also said Kyle Anderson was better than Kawhi, tbh:lol..

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Meh, you also said Kyle Anderson was better than Kawhi, tbh:lol..

I said he has more offensive game than Kawhi. Kawhi will take manus role in the court after manu retires. Pop has already had the ball in his hand at the end of quarters. Kawhi doesn't have that role because he cannot create off
the dribble or get to the rim or make the right pass. Anyone with a basketball IQ should be able to see his potential

[dabom]

I said he has more offensive game than Kawhi. Kawhi will take manus role in the court after manu retires. Pop has already had the ball in his hand at the end of quarters. Kawhi doesn't have that role because he cannot create off
the dribble or get to the rim or make the right pass. Anyone with a basketball IQ should be able to see his potential

:lol

[SAGirl]

I'm not really "blaming" Aldridge, tbh..I just think he's going to have to play a lot better and make much more of an impact to justify and negate Green's historic decline(if it stays this way) following the change in style..he's gonna have to, regardless, as the Spurs aren't going to win if both Green and Aldridge remain in their current form..

Danny's poor play is on Danny.

You can't blame someone else on the team for his kind of suckage. This one is entirely on Danny and I am rooting for him to get it together, but at this point, he's losing part of his role to Simmons.

[ParadoxEN]

Warriors World has the answer for you:



This is hardly Danny Green's first year of being a terrible offensive player. If part of their plan was counting on him offensively, then the plan was flawed

[HarlemHeat37]

Warriors World has the answer for you:

Are you familiar with Warriors fans on the internet? Most of them had never watched GS play prior to last year's playoffs, tbh:lol..

[ParadoxEN]

Are you familiar with Warriors fans on the internet? Most of them had never watched GS play prior to last year's playoffs, tbh:lol..

Just getting to know them now, they're very sensitive

[HarlemHeat37]

Just getting to know them now, they're very sensitive

The Warriors home fans are cool, I've been to a few of their home games, and they supported the team even when they were just average..most Warriors fans on the internet are bandwagoners that are relatively new to basketball, though..their forums had very little traffic in the past, now their "fans" are ubiquitous on the internet:lol..a lot of corny, vanilla fans that like GS because they are led by light-skinned, non-threatening players with a progressive playing style that appeals to Reddit-types..

[ChumpDumper]

Is this where I'm supposed to ask you "like what?", and then you'll ask me something, and then we'll get trapped in the ChumpDumper hurricane of questions?Nope. I just said maybe it's something you haven't thought of. Don't get nervous.

[spurraider21]

LMA's responsibility was to come in and upgrade splitter, not to make up for Green's shooting

[HarlemHeat37]

LMA's responsibility was to come in and upgrade splitter, not to make up for Green's shooting

His responsibility was to negate some of the reliance on Parker/Ginobili, and to give the Spurs a player that could create his own shot at a high level, particularly down the stretch, that's what everybody assumed..they weren't signing Lamarcus Aldridge, a career high-usage, high-volume player to be a Splitter-type:lol

Duncan is supposed to take Splitter's role, not Aldridge..

[spurraider21]

the offense hasn't been run through aldridge much so its tough to judge him as far as that goes

[bic50]

Yes. But I still think he's confused on what his role is. I think we all are tbh.

[midnightpulp]

To clarify, I meant is the trade-off of the Spurs' version of Aldridge worth losing the Green of the past 3 years?(assuming he doesn't turn it around)..not asking if the Spurs should regret signing Aldridge, of course they shouldn't:lol

Obviously Aldridge over Splitter is a no-brainer, and you don't turn down a player of Aldridge's caliber in his prime, even if he's the big man Iverson and a soft jump-shooter(which he is)..

It's mental with Danny. Shooters normally don't take this long to adjust. And LMA was totally worth it. Like I've been saying, every Spur has seen their offense/shooting percentage increase (Kawhi has regressed a bit over the past 5 games, though). LMA is also part of our best 5 man units.

Burn the tape game, really. We always struggle at Toronto. Kawhi was obviously sick and his lack of energy seemed to be contagious throughout the starting lineup. And even then, the Spurs still made it a game in the 4th with a good team who took the Warriors to the limit without Jonas (I know Carroll was out, but that works in their favor. He's garbage).

My worries with this team remain: Health, Tony Parker regressing, and the lack of another penetrator (crossing fingers Simmons will develop).

[Mr Bones]

Why do you credit Aldridge for causing Green's FG% to go down, but not credit him for causing Parker's, Kawhi's, and Duncan's to go up?

[Fireball]

Danny gets many open shots and is not making them ... this has nothing to do with LMA

[Robz4000]

It's mental with Danny. Shooters normally don't take this long to adjust. And LMA was totally worth it. Like I've been saying, every Spur has seen their offense/shooting percentage increase (Kawhi has regressed a bit over the past 5 games, though). LMA is also part of our best 5 man units.

Burn the tape game, really. We always struggle at Toronto. Kawhi was obviously sick and his lack of energy seemed to be contagious throughout the starting lineup. And even then, the Spurs still made it a game in the 4th with a good team who took the Warriors to the limit without Jonas (I know Carroll was out, but that works in their favor. He's garbage).

My worries with this team remain: Health, Tony Parker regressing, and the lack of another penetrator (crossing fingers Simmons will develop).

mid hit it on the head tbh.

[Agloco]

Obviously he is worth it in a vacuum and you take a star player if you can, but Aldridge's addition has transformed Green into one of the worst starters in the league, after being one of the 2 best perimeter role players in the league since 2013:lol..worthless Danny Green = Spurs are just a pretender, as we have seen since 2012..

It would definitely be worth it if Aldridge was playing like a star, but he's been extremely underwhelming, so far..


This is something you ask 3 years on.
They're 18-5 right now and off to one another the best starts they've ever had.

[littlecoyotecoin]

I've been saying the Spurs aren't as good as their record for a while:lol

When they are winning up there at a historical clip, or near historical pace, saying they aren't as good as their record is, essentially, meaningless. Congrats on your prognostication. I'll go out on a limb, too. Warriors aren't as good as their record.

[TheDoctor]

Danny is still getting a ton of good looks, he's just missing them.. Can't blame that on LMA. He's in a shooting funk right now. I'm sure he'll break out of it eventually. It just sucks playing the waiting game.

In terms of Aldridge, he was definitely worth it and we're far better off with him than with Tiago imo. Splitter still can't get on the floor for the Hawks bc he's still injured. I'm sure it'd be no different here.

Yeah, among other things, Pop had to have given Coach Bud a lifetime supply of his Rock & Hammer pinot noir. That deal was too perfect.

[100%duncan]

:lol green is missing open shots how the fuck u gonna blame that on another player thats just stupid

[TheDoctor]

I still don't get the whining. I guess it's the Golden Showers effect? That a 18-5 record looks weak or pedestrian now? Spurs are playing for the second seed and they are doing OK. They have a nice cushion over OKC and if the Warriors slip some games we can even take that 1st seed in the long run.

[daledondale]

:lol green is missing open shots how the fuck u gonna blame that on another player thats just stupid

[MVPCues]

I said he has more offensive game than Kawhi. Kawhi will take manus role in the court after manu retires. Pop has already had the ball in his hand at the end of quarters. Kawhi doesn't have that role because he cannot create off
the dribble or get to the rim or make the right pass. Anyone with a basketball IQ should be able to see his potential

Dafuq??????

[TheDoctor]

I said he has more offensive game than Kawhi. Kawhi will take manus role in the court after manu retires. Pop has already had the ball in his hand at the end of quarters. Kawhi doesn't have that role because he cannot create off
the dribble or get to the rim or make the right pass. Anyone with a basketball IQ should be able to see his potential

lol :drunk

[$pursDynasty]

I still don't get the whining. I guess it's the Golden Showers effect? That a 18-5 record looks weak or pedestrian now? Spurs are playing for the second seed and they are doing OK. They have a nice cushion over OKC and if the Warriors slip some games we can even take that 1st seed in the long run.

Doc I am with you when you are right. I was watching Sports Center and they were while taking a two minute break from fawning of the Dubs were like "the Spurs are perfect at home but look how pedestrian they are on the road" (now that is true 7-5 isn't impressive but it wasn't said factually it was more in the how dare they be compared to our newest darlings the dubs). What's funny is how negatively they have turned on previous favorite LeBron, stories about 'Daddy' LeBron and interrupting dancers on the court, and waving his ring while sitting out a game in Miami were something ESPN proper would never do in the open. Back to the Spurs/Dubs on a purely statistical standpoint 7-5 isn't impressive for a road record but besides the perfect Dubs there is only one road record better the Raptors at 8-5, lol.

[SpursforSix]

I still don't get the whining. I guess it's the Golden Showers effect? That a 18-5 record looks weak or pedestrian now? Spurs are playing for the second seed and they are doing OK. They have a nice cushion over OKC and if the Warriors slip some games we can even take that 1st seed in the long run.

Yeah. Over the course of any season there are some bad losses that on paper, should be wins. It's just that Golden State has not had any this season. If before the season, you say the Spurs will be 18-5 right now, you're pretty happy. The reality is that the team has some older players and is not perfect and will have off nights.

BUT, they are the one team that has a chance to beat Golden State in the West in a 4/7 series.

Spurs will continue to improve throughout the season (barring major injuries) and should put them in a good spot to try to win another ring.

At this rate, they're a 60+ win team. But they do need to keep improving if they're going to win it all.

[coachmac87]

Stfu Harlem....ask this question come May/June not early December...

What a shitty question to ask..

[Vito Corleone]

The Warriors will not win the NBA title this year. The Spurs and the Cavs are the teams to beat. Both are horrible matchups for the warriors. Both have the ability to smother their perimeter offense with solid perimeter defense, and both have the ability to dominate them on the inside. Especially the Spurs.

Golden State is a lot like the 2007 New England Patriots, 19-0 perfect season but lost the Superbowl. Golden State will break 70 wins but when they face the Spurs they are going to be disappointed.

When this happens, no one is going to question if Aldridge was worth it

[ElNono]

Never been a fan of Aldrige game, something I mentioned when we signed him. But it's undeniable he's been a huge part of being the best defense in the league (despite some stutters) and he's obviously much, much better offensively than Tiago (no knock on Tiago, LMA is much better offensively than a lot of guys). Really like his size and rebounding, and the fact that he looks a lot more durable...

[skut_farkus]

The Warriors will not win the NBA title this year. The Spurs and the Cavs are the teams to beat. Both are horrible matchups for the warriors. Both have the ability to smother their perimeter offense with solid perimeter defense, and both have the ability to dominate them on the inside. Especially the Spurs.

Golden State is a lot like the 2007 New England Patriots, 19-0 perfect season but lost the Superbowl. Golden State will break 70 wins but when they face the Spurs they are going to be disappointed.

When this happens, no one is going to question if Aldridge was worth it

:lmao

[admiralsnackbar]

DWhat's funny is how negatively they have turned on previous favorite LeBron, stories about 'Daddy' LeBron and interrupting dancers on the court, and waving his ring while sitting out a game in Miami were something ESPN proper would never do in the open. I expect this change in behavior has more to do with Disney stocks plummeting in value (-20%!) due to ESPN's loss of subscribers than anything else. Inevitably, the CNN of sports journalism is going to go TMZ to try to win back market share via snarky Perez Hilton-esque shit-talk op-eds, tabloid celebrity creation/worship/destruction, and self-serving, book-cooking analyses... all presented in nice little click-bait packages. I have seen the future, y'all: it looks a lot like Stephen A. Smith

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Every veteran pretty much has struggled their first year with the Spurs. LMA is not looking like the exception. But his defense has vastly improved over last year. If his offense comes up to par, he will worth more than what he is getting.

I reserve my take on first year players until season end to issue final verdicts on the season. A Month and half is a very small sample size.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Problem is who would take him in a trade for his enormous $10m/year contract? (Referring to Green)

[TrainOfThought5]

:lol green is missing open shots how the fuck u gonna blame that on another player thats just stupid

[Kikoluna]

I still don't get the whining. I guess it's the Golden Showers effect? That a 18-5 record looks weak or pedestrian now? Spurs are playing for the second seed and they are doing OK. They have a nice cushion over OKC and if the Warriors slip some games we can even take that 1st seed in the long run.

Amen brother

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Dafuq??????


lol :drunk

Better dribbler, better passer, can see the floor better, ability to get to the rim. He also has better footwork in the low post area.
I'm not saying he is a better offensive scorer right now than Kawhi but Anderson has the potential to be a 10/5/5 producer every night.

[MVPCues]

Better dribbler, better passer, can see the floor better, ability to get to the rim. He also has better footwork in the low post area.
I'm not saying he is a better offensive scorer right now than Kawhi but Anderson has the potential to be a 10/5/5 producer every night.

OK. MAYBE it is reasonable to say he could be a more versatile player than Kawhi. That is far from "he has more offensive game than Kawhi". Anderson can help them win games. Kawhi can win games FOR them. The question is whether Kawhi can continue to grow so that he can add more skills, be more consistent, and bring it every night. A 10/5/5 producer is not "more offensive game" than even an inconsistent Kawhi.

[T_L_P]

Signing Aldridge was never a 'win-now' move imo. It was so the fans had someone who they could call their 'star' when Duncan and Manu are gone (along with Kawhi).

We knew before he got here that he was a terribly inefficient scorer. Most people on here expected that to change in 'the Spurs system'. Now that that's failing they're saying 'wait until the Playoffs before he starts dominating like a max star'. You can't write this stuff.

[HarlemHeat37]

Signing Aldridge was never a 'win-now' move imo. It was so the fans had someone who they could call their 'star' when Duncan and Manu are gone (along with Kawhi).

We knew before he got here that he was a terribly inefficient scorer. Most people on here expected that to change in 'the Spurs system'. Now that that's failing they're saying 'wait until the Playoffs before he starts dominating like a max star'. You can't write this stuff.

They aren't using the "Spurs system" anymore, which is the point of this thread, tbh..

Aldridge should be a "win-now" move, though..he's already at the end of his prime, and he's only going to get worse, physically..

[tmtcsc]

Absolutely, and its not even close. We improved immensely. Can you imagine if we didn't have him? Don't believe for a second that Splitter would be on the floor either. He would be on the bench in street clothes, nursing some sort of strange injury.

[NameLess Scrub]

Aldridge seems to be shooting similar FG% and producing at a similar rate while improving defense.
He looks like a very skilled player who's been a bit reluctant and came a bit out of shape so far.

I wonder what if anything is exactly wrong with him.. he can't ISO as much in the Spurs but he's capable of making jump shots and posting up high and low. He can even drive occasionally. Isn't he able to play PnR just as he plays PnP?

[midnightpulp]

They aren't using the "Spurs system" anymore, which is the point of this thread, tbh..

Aldridge should be a "win-now" move, though..he's already at the end of his prime, and he's only going to get worse, physically..

The starters also need to stop trying to play the "Beautiful Game." You can't play a fluid motion offense with 3 post players, an SG who can't dribble nor finish, and a score first PG. Goal for the starters should be to get Leonard and LMA 15-20 shots in their spots every game. Parker and Green will play off the double teams they'll inevitably get, and Duncan will do his picking and defense anchoring thing, with the occasional post up/outside shot.

I'm still seeing too much overpassing with this squad, which always seems to push Kawhi to the corner/away from the paint. They also need to run more seals for LMA.

[spursistan]

674989254078951425

Is the above an Aldridge problem? :lol This team just doesn't have any reliable 3pts shooter at this point..the mere fact that Kawhi is your best with at an unsustainable clip is telling..

[midnightpulp]

It's also worth mentioning (if we buy the theory that Danny is having a tough time adjusting to new circumstances) that Kawhi's new role as the focal point of the offense could also be affecting his play.

I'll say again. Scrap the beautiful game for the starters. It worked when Kawhi was a spot up shooter/free lancer, but his offense is of the Kobe/Jordan variety. Isolation in the Mid-post/maneuvering into his mid-range spots to take jumpers. You can't run much of a motion offense from that.

[HarlemHeat37]

674989254078951425

Is the above an Aldridge problem? :lol This team just doesn't have any reliable 3pts shooter at this point..the mere fact that Kawhi is your best with at an unsustainable clip is telling..
It's not "blaming" Aldridge as a player..the thread is asking whether changing a successful system and potentially sacrificing a key role player in a spot with no depth was worth it for a big man version of Iverson that has shown virtually no flashes of dominance, so far..

People are focusing on the thread title, which I probably should have worded differently..

[HarlemHeat37]

The starters also need to stop trying to play the "Beautiful Game." You can't play a fluid motion offense with 3 post players, an SG who can't dribble nor finish, and a score first PG. Goal for the starters should be to get Leonard and LMA 15-20 shots in their spots every game. Parker and Green will play off the double teams they'll inevitably get, and Duncan will do his picking and defense anchoring thing, with the occasional post up/outside shot.

I'm still seeing too much overpassing with this squad, which always seems to push Kawhi to the corner/away from the paint. They also need to run more seals for LMA.
Ideally, yes, but there must be a reason Pop is going with this style..

[Sean Cagney]

Nope. LMA is trash and a playoff choker. Should of kept Tiago and our depth imo.

But Tiago wpuld just be in street clothes though tbh.

[Johnny RIngo]

Signing Aldridge was never a 'win-now' move imo. It was so the fans had someone who they could call their 'star' when Duncan and Manu are gone (along with Kawhi).

We knew before he got here that he was a terribly inefficient scorer. Most people on here expected that to change in 'the Spurs system'. Now that that's failing they're saying 'wait until the Playoffs before he starts dominating like a max star'. You can't write this stuff.

He's a piss poor replacement for Duncan or Manu unfortunately. Those two were legit playoff performers that weren't afraid of contact(both were ridiculous at drawing free throws in their prime). LMA is more of a big man version of Parker - soft mental midget that can get hot for one series but more often than not disappoints in the post-season.

[spursistan]

I agree though that if LMA isn't 18/10 guy in the playoffs (+35 MPG), then we are probably going nowhere..

[DMC]

You cannot blame poor shooting on the new guy. Danny gets his looks and he misses. That's not because of LMA. He'll get over it or he'll get benched. Besides, didn't he sign a new contract? Why practice now?

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Spurs will need to do something at the trade deadline. Add a shooter and potentially another shot blocker as the interior defense by the bench is awful.

[TD 21]

The system was changing last season as is and as much as we all loved the '12-'14 iterations of this team, they weren't winning another championship that way. It wasn't just Parker and Ginobili declining or Leonard getting better, it was that many of the progressive things they did/do, started to become commonplace around the league after the '14 championship.

Also, I'm sick and tired of hearing about how different Green's shots are. People act as if they're asking him to be Curry. It's funny; Batum and Matthews had no trouble hitting threes playing off of Aldridge. I'm still confident Green will progress to the mean, but if he doesn't, I'm not blaming Aldridge for it.

No matter what happens with this team, I'm not questioning that signing. People can nitpick his game/personality all they want, but the bottom line is, the stars had to align for them to sign a player of his caliber and his presence (along with finding suitable Duncan and Ginobili replacements) should at least allow them to remain fringe contenders for the near future.

[DJR210]

Maybe Green should adjust? Everyone else has seen boosts to their offense beside him. The excuses for his scrub play have ran out.

This. Fucking Danny Green is still a pro at the end of the day, and comparing him to the rest of the core, what the fuck has he developed since getting here? His defense is better, but what has he added?

[TheBestEver]

everything Op and apalisoc post is shtick. This is either a new Aldridge hate shtick or they decided to make a bunch of threads last night to distract from Kawhi having a bad game.

[HarlemHeat37]

everything Op and apalisoc post is shtick. This is either a new Aldridge hate shtick or they decided to make a bunch of threads last night to distract from Kawhi having a bad game.

:lol talking shit on an alt, tbh..

I'm actually a big fan of Aldridge, despite his weight gain and poor history in meaningful games, and I acknowledged that Kawhi had a bad game..

[Kawhitstorm]

It's not "blaming" Aldridge as a player..the thread is asking whether changing a successful system and potentially sacrificing a key role player in a spot with no depth was worth it for a big man version of Iverson that has shown virtually no flashes of dominance, so far..

People are focusing on the thread title, which I probably should have worded differently..

LMA is more like Melo that Iverson. For all the shit Iverson gets he was one of the best shot creators for a shooting guard & his first priority was to get into the paint rather than jack up midrange shots. Carmelo never averaged double digit free throw attempts (highest was 8.9) & has taken more midrange shots than anyone since he came into the league. The only guy that had success playing w/ Melo for an extended period is JR Smith......so Danny for JR:lol

Basically you need role players who excel at making contested 3s:
JR
Nick Young
Gerald Green
Isaiah Canaan
Arron Afflalo
Wilson Chandler
Marcus Thornton
C.J. Miles
Jamal Crawford
Brandon Jennings
Randy Foye
Tim Hardaway Jr
Dion Waiters
Louis Williams
Cory Brewer/Josh Smith (although they are terrible shooters in general:lol)

Lillard/Wes Matthews were very good at making contested 3s & had success playing w/ LMA

[weeks]

It'd be a lot more cheerful in here if the fkng dubs weren't looking like basketballs final boss .We're to a great start and our losses have been close ...it just feels horrible in comparison.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Obviously he is worth it in a vacuum and you take a star player if you can, but Aldridge's addition has transformed Green into one of the worst starters in the league, after being one of the 2 best perimeter role players in the league since 2013:lol..worthless Danny Green = Spurs are just a pretender, as we have seen since 2012...

I believe the Spurs won a championship since 2012...

[Spurs9]

Not sure tbqhimo

[HarlemHeat37]

I believe the Spurs won a championship since 2012...

Green shot historically well from 3 in the 2013 and 2014 playoffs, which helped win the West and win the title..he collapsed in 2012 and was disappointing in 2015, which led to a WCF defeat and a 1st round exit..his shooting has been somewhat of a barometer for the Spurs..

[spursistan]

the type of game that is a sure L without his contribution :lol...26/13 on 11/18 shooting in 32 minutes .especially if Kawhi is going to play like this in the Clippers matchup, having LMA match Griffin is a must to have chance against those guys..

[Robz4000]

LMA really starting to fit in nicely. Green also played well while he was in.

[Russo21]

Last 5 games LMA is averaging 19ppg, 8.8rpg, 56FG% in just 28 minutes per game. Spurs 5-0. LMA is a perfect fit for the Spurs, only 25 games into his Spurs career it's only going to get better from here.

[bic50]

QUOTE=Russo21;8329612]Last 5 games LMA is averaging 19ppg, 8.8rpg, 56FG% in just 28 minutes per game. Spurs 5-0. LMA is a perfect fit for the Spurs, only 25 games into his Spurs career it's only going to get better from here.[/QUOTE]

Getting close to his season avg last season :tu[

[Agloco]

the type of game that is a sure L without his contribution :lol...26/13 on 11/18 shooting in 32 minutes .especially if Kawhi is going to play like this in the Clippers matchup, having LMA match Griffin is a must to have chance against those guys..

Bingo. You can see it in Leonard's body language. The Clippers are in his head unforch.

[SAGirl]

Last 5 games LMA is averaging 19ppg, 8.8rpg, 56FG% in just 28 minutes per game. Spurs 5-0. LMA is a perfect fit for the Spurs, only 25 games into his Spurs career it's only going to get better from here.:toast

[SpursFan86]

He's been great overall in December...averaging 17.5/8 on a 58 TS% with hardly any TOs.

Spurs are 9-1 in those 10 games and the offense has looked incredible. Not to mention what they're doing on defense.

[Mnky]

Spurs undefeated when Aldridge is leading scorer.

[steeledl]

LMAlpha haters are just about as bad as Parker haters..... Very simple. We have a chance to win it all with LMAlpha and without him no chance. That in its self makes him worth every dime . He is getting better and better within our system.

[HarlemHeat37]

LMAlpha haters are just about as bad as Parker haters..... Very simple. We have a chance to win it all with LMAlpha and without him no chance. That in its self makes him worth every dime . He is getting better and better within our system.

I don't hate Aldridge, tbh, I was just questioning whether it was worth it to change a successful system for him..

He has responded well, lately, though, it's what we have been waiting for..I was really excited to get him and thought the Spurs' run would be over without him, although I admit I'm not a fan of his game, he's the big man Carmelo..being in a Spurs jersey seems to have changed his mentality, fortunately..becoming a winner, rather than the player that cried because Lillard had billboards in Portland:lol..

[midnightpulp]

I don't hate Aldridge, tbh, I was just questioning whether it was worth it to change a successful system for him..

He has responded well, lately, though, it's what we have been waiting for..I was really excited to get him and thought the Spurs' run would be over without him, although I admit I'm not a fan of his game, he's the big man Carmelo..being in a Spurs jersey seems to have changed his mentality, fortunately..becoming a winner, rather than the player that cried because Lillard had billboards in Portland:lol..

You can always tell if a player "buys in" by watching how he plays on defense, and LMA has far exceeded expectations in that regard.

Funny enough, a big man Carmelo is what this offense needed with Kawhi transitioning as the main focus. I was most excited to see how LMA would create spacing for Kawhi (and now Parker). Since LMA can't volume shoot in this offense, his 4-10, 6-14 type games aren't damaging, and the opportunities he creates for others more than offset any inefficiency on his part.

My only concern with him is the playoffs. We're going to need a 30 point game from him at some point in a series, and with his playoff history, you can't really bank on it.

[ViceCity86]

Thankfully Pau Gasol turn down the Spurs last year.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

You can always tell if a player "buys in" by watching how he plays on defense, and LMA has far exceeded expectations in that regard.

Funny enough, a big man Carmelo is what this offense needed with Kawhi transitioning as the main focus. I was most excited to see how LMA would create spacing for Kawhi (and now Parker). Since LMA can't volume shoot in this offense, his 4-10, 6-14 type games aren't damaging, and the opportunities he creates for others more than offset any inefficiency on his part.

My only concern with him is the playoffs. We're going to need a 30 point game from him at some point in a series, and with his playoff history, you can't really bank on it.

lol, he has done 30 point games, i remember him shitting on the rockets for a whole series

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtsf8S154Cw

LaMarcus in the playoffs

[cutewizard]

Go Spursssssssssssssssssssssssss go!!!!!!!!!!

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpcn-LhkJe0

[Mr Bones]

In the last ten games, Aldridge's FG% is 54%. His 17.5 ppg, 8.1 rpg, & 1.2 bpg averages would be even better if so many of the games weren't blowouts... he has only needed to play 28 mpg during this 9-1 stretch. But the most important aspect of his contract is that it came at the perfect time, before the expected salary cap rise when the TV deal money kicks in. In the last two years of his contract, he will be paid significantly less money than the max contract players who sign in 2017.

[steeledl]

In the last ten games, Aldridge's FG% is 54%. His 17.5 ppg, 8.1 rpg, & 1.2 bpg averages would be even better if so many of the games weren't blowouts... he has only needed to play 28 mpg during this 9-1 stretch. But the most important aspect of his contract is that it came at the perfect time, before the expected salary cap rise when the TV deal money kicks in. In the last two years of his contract, he will be paid significantly less money than the max contract players who sign in 2017.


He has looked great lately in limited minutes because of blowouts...... His defensive is even more impressive than his offense though, tbh.

[houston spurs fan]

OP is a known commodity around here for bad basketball takes. Par for the course. Then uses Alts to agree with himself. A little sociopathic...

[ChumpDumper]

The current Spurs team is clearly fool's goldClearROFLy

[BatManu20]

Thankfully Pau Gasol turn down the Spurs last year.

I'm still holding onto the exciting, yet very small hope that if/when Timmy retires after next season, Pau (then 37) will sign with the Spurs on the cheap and the Spurs will somehow trade for Marc Gasol to Replace Timmy once the Grizzlies inevitably realize they're just not going to win anything with that core group. Pau and Marc have both stated that they'd love to play together at some point in their careers. Pau coming off the bench on restricted minutes to back up LMA while Marc Gasol sliding right into Timmy's place in the starting lineup would amazing, tbh. And would give them a realistic chance at another title run. Pipe dream, I know.

[BatManu20]

Kyle Korver and JJ Redick will both be Free Agents after next season as well, and I expect the Spurs to show interest in one or both of them. Korver will be 36, Redick 33.

[BillMc]

I'm still holding onto the exciting, yet very small hope that if/when Timmy retires after next season, Pau (then 37) will sign with the Spurs on the cheap and the Spurs will somehow trade for Marc Gasol to Replace Timmy once the Grizzlies inevitably realize they're just not going to win anything with that core group. Pau and Marc have both stated that they'd love to play together at some point in their careers. Pau coming off the bench on restricted minutes to back up LMA while Marc Gasol sliding right into Timmy's place in the starting lineup would amazing, tbh. And would give them a realistic chance at another title run. Pipe dream, I know.

If Timmy retires after this season, we might end up with Dwight Howard if he opts out from Houston. :lol

[baseline bum]

Kyle Korver and JJ Redick will both be Free Agents after next season as well, and I expect the Spurs to show interest in one or both of them. Korver will be 36, Redick 33.

The Spurs won't have the capspace to get either most likely. They'll have about $72.5 million committed to Aldridge, Leonard, Parker, Green, Diaw, and Mills. Add in $5.5 million for Duncan hopefully coming back and we're at $78 million. Assuming Manu retires that leaves $11 million in capspace, which might be a tough sell for Reddick under this new tv deal. He'll probably make more staying in LA. And that requires not making an offer to West, which will look really bad to other free agents after he came here for the minimum. Even with his struggles early in the year West is much better than a minimum player. Also goodbye Anderson and Simmons. I think improvement next year is going to have to come from within, as I don't expect the Spurs to have money to spend until the summer of 2017 when the cap increases to $108 million vs the $89 million expected for next summer.

I guess the Spurs will have the MLE to make a run at Korver if they bring their guys back, but didn't Korver's wife shit all over that idea a couple of years ago when the Spurs almost signed him?

[Robz4000]

The Spurs won't have the capspace to get either most likely. They'll have about $72.5 million committed to Aldridge, Leonard, Parker, Green, Diaw, and Mills. Add in $5.5 million for Duncan hopefully coming back and we're at $78 million. Assuming Manu retires that leaves $11 million in capspace, which might be a tough sell for Reddick under this new tv deal. He'll probably make more staying in LA. And that requires not making an offer to West, which will look really bad to other free agents after he came here for the minimum. Even with his struggles early in the year West is much better than a minimum player. Also goodbye Anderson and Simmons. I think improvement next year is going to have to come from within, as I don't expect the Spurs to have money to spend until the summer of 2017 when the cap increases to $108 million vs the $89 million expected for next summer.

I guess the Spurs will have the MLE to make a run at Korver if they bring their guys back, but didn't Korver's wife shit all over that idea a couple of years ago when the Spurs almost signed him?

He was talking about the Summer of 2017 from how I read it. I agree about next year though, they'll have to win with this group plus maybe a vet desperate for a ring.

[Robz4000]

If Timmy retires after this season, we might end up with Dwight Howard if he opts out from Houston. :lol

The Spurs wouldn't touch dwert with a ten foot pool tbh.

[bic50]

If Timmy retires after this season, we might end up with Dwight Howard if he opts out from Houston. :lol

Don't not want dwight at all. I hope spurs never go after him again.

[Kikoluna]

Spurs will never go for Howard. Guy has minimum competitive spirit. ..pops key word, Compete.

[skulls138]

LMA really starting to fit in nicely. Green also played well while he was in.Yes Aldridge is driving and dishing more, not just doing the fade away. I love how Greene stayed effective even while his 3pt'r wasnt falling, thats usually not the case.

[SilverSpur]

I think he was worth it. His outside shooting, rebounds and strong put backs are what this team needed. Tiago was soft around the rim.

[HarlemHeat37]

ClearROFLy

They are..the current Spurs that had Aldridge playing like a role player, Green struggling and over-relying on Parker/Ginobili are fool's gold, not sustainable in the playoffs, at all..

They got Aldridge to be a star player like he played vs. the Clippers, not the role player, which only works vs. shitty regular season teams(see: Spurs are only 3-3 vs. teams with a top 10 SRS, so far, and have literally played vs. the easiest schedule in the NBA)..I'm skeptical, since he doesn't tend to show up in big games, though, but hopefully he does, this year..

[HarlemHeat37]

OP is a known commodity around here for bad basketball takes. Par for the course. Then uses Alts to agree with himself. A little sociopathic...

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[ChumpDumper]

They are..the current Spurs that had Aldridge playing like a role player, Green struggling and over-relying on Parker/Ginobili are fool's gold, not sustainable in the playoffs, at all..

They got Aldridge to be a star player like he played vs. the Clippers, not the role player, which only works vs. shitty regular season teams(see: Spurs are only 3-3 vs. teams with a top 10 SRS, so far, and have literally played vs. the easiest schedule in the NBA)..I'm skeptical, since he doesn't tend to show up in big games, though, but hopefully he does, this year..lol fools gold.

You really do try to take every side in an argument.

[houston spurs fan]

Maybe Malik can weigh in here...

[Tully365]

Obviously Aldridge over Splitter is a no-brainer, and you don't turn down a player of Aldridge's caliber in his prime

You answered your own question.

[cutewizard]

http://www.latimes.com/sports/nba/la-sp-nba-aldridge-spurs-20151220-story.html

[cutewizard]

The San Antonio Spurs (http://www.latimes.com/topic/sports/basketball/san-antonio-spurs-ORSPT000116-topic.html) were anxious to find out if free agent LaMarcus Aldridge (http://www.latimes.com/topic/sports/basketball/lamarcus-aldridge-PESPT0000010660-topic.html)would join their team, knowing his decision could have a potentially devastating domino effect on the franchise.
"It was a little bit like poker, all in," Spurs guard Tony Parker (http://www.latimes.com/topic/sports/basketball/tony-parker-PESPT005666-topic.html) said of last summer. "Meaning if we get LaMarcus, everybody's back. If we don't get him, I guess everybody will retire."
After the Spurs lost to the Clippers in the first round of the playoffs last spring, sending the reigning NBA (http://www.latimes.com/topic/sports/basketball/nba-15008001-topic.html) champions on vacation much earlier than expected, the team faced many uncertainties. Would Tim Duncan (http://www.latimes.com/topic/sports/basketball/tim-duncan-PESPT001961-topic.html) and Manu Ginobili (http://www.latimes.com/topic/sports/basketball/manu-ginobili-PESPT0000010756-topic.html) retire? Would free agent guardDanny Green (http://www.latimes.com/topic/sports/basketball/danny-green-PESPT0000010762-topic.html) return? And how much longer would Gregg Popovich (http://www.latimes.com/topic/sports/basketball/gregg-popovich-PESPT000009508-topic.html) coach?
It seemingly was all riding on Aldridge, a 6-foot-11 power forward and four-time All-Star who was the most sought after player in free agency. Multiple teams tried to woo him, including the Lakers, Phoenix and Houston.


But Aldridge was impressed by the Spurs' down-to-earth, basketball-centered pitch. He was born in Dallas, had attended the University of Texas, and joining the Spurs meant he'd be closer to his two young children who live in Texas. He also liked the Spurs' championship pedigree. He signed a four-year, $80-million contract with San Antonio.
Everything fell into place — Duncan and Ginobili returned for another season and Green re-signed. With Aldridge on their roster, the Spurs are off to a fast start and have the second-best record in the league, 23-5, behind only 26-1 Golden State.
Still, the 30-year-old Aldridge acknowledges that the transition has been more challenging than he anticipated.
Aldridge went from averaging a career-high 23.4 points with the Portland Trail Blazers (http://www.latimes.com/topic/sports/basketball/portland-trail-blazers-ORSPT000114-topic.html) last season, to averaging 16.1 points in his first 26 games with the Spurs, his lowest scoring output since his rookie season, 2006-07. His rebounding also took a dip, from 10.2 a game last season to 8.8 with the Spurs.
"For the last seven years [in Portland], I've been the guy," Aldridge said recently, standing by his locker after another Spurs win. "I knew where my shots were going to come from, I had the lay of the team. To try to tone that down, I've been frustrated at times with myself, but it's a process, and I've been getting better at it."

[cutewizard]

LaMarcusssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ssssssssssss A!

[100%duncan]

Wtf is with lma being a choker? Didnt he score like 40 pts in both games against and in houston to nail a 2-0 lead going into their homefloor? You cant fault him against the spurs since tiago owns him pretty much.

[Ice009]

Wtf is with lma being a choker? Didnt he score like 40 pts in both games against and in houston to nail a 2-0 lead going into their homefloor? You cant fault him against the spurs since tiago owns him pretty much.

That was a monster series from him, but apparently that series isn't the norm for him in the playoffs. I keep thinking of that Houston series as to what he is capable of, so hopefully he can rise up and play like he did that series for the whole playoffs for us. I know it's asking a bit much and it might be unrealistic, but I'm going to ask him to anyway.

[cutewizard]

:bobo

[TD 21]

Wtf is with lma being a choker? Didnt he score like 40 pts in both games against and in houston to nail a 2-0 lead going into their homefloor? You cant fault him against the spurs since tiago owns him pretty much.

Like most players, the notion that he's a playoff choker is unfounded. He's had a grant total of three playoff runs (all on teams with zero chance of winning more than a round) since he entered his prime. He was fine in two of them and his struggles last season are clearly attributable to his hand injury, which required surgery.

This is the only sport where the term "choker" is thrown around so liberally. People pulled this with Green in the '12 playoffs, even though it was essentially his first playoffs and he had shot out of his mind for the first two rounds and was long overdue for a shooting slump. If that happens in baseball, it's accepted that it's law of averages. If it happens in basketball, someone is automatically labeled a choker.

[100%duncan]

Like most players, the notion that he's a playoff choker is unfounded. He's had a grant total of three playoff runs (all on teams with zero chance of winning more than a round) since he entered his prime. He was fine in two of them and his struggles last season are clearly attributable to his hand injury, which required surgery.

This is the only sport where the term "choker" is thrown around so liberally. People pulled this with Green in the '12 playoffs, even though it was essentially his first playoffs and he had shot out of his mind for the first two rounds and was long overdue for a shooting slump. If that happens in baseball, it's accepted that it's law of averages. If it happens in basketball, someone is automatically labeled a choker.

Yep. I just didnt get it or was it just a schtick? It doesnt make sense.

[MaNu4Tres]

Like most players, the notion that he's a playoff choker is unfounded. He's had a grant total of three playoff runs (all on teams with zero chance of winning more than a round) since he entered his prime. He was fine in two of them and his struggles last season are clearly attributable to his hand injury, which required surgery.

This is the only sport where the term "choker" is thrown around so liberally. People pulled this with Green in the '12 playoffs, even though it was essentially his first playoffs and he had shot out of his mind for the first two rounds and was long overdue for a shooting slump. If that happens in baseball, it's accepted that it's law of averages. If it happens in basketball, someone is automatically labeled a choker.


Would be a better world if idiots on twitter and on here would at least understand this.

[daslicer]

Like most players, the notion that he's a playoff choker is unfounded. He's had a grant total of three playoff runs (all on teams with zero chance of winning more than a round) since he entered his prime. He was fine in two of them and his struggles last season are clearly attributable to his hand injury, which required surgery.

This is the only sport where the term "choker" is thrown around so liberally. People pulled this with Green in the '12 playoffs, even though it was essentially his first playoffs and he had shot out of his mind for the first two rounds and was long overdue for a shooting slump. If that happens in baseball, it's accepted that it's law of averages. If it happens in basketball, someone is automatically labeled a choker.

He's played in 5 playoff series but I agree with what you are saying. He's only had 2 playoff series where he was real terrible. One took place in 2010 but he was real young along with not being the number 1 guy on the team at the time and it was against the best Suns team of the Nash-Amare era. The other series where he was awful in was against the Grizzlies but then again Portland had no chance of winning that series with their injury plagued roster and like you said he was playing with a broken hand. Even when you factor in those 2 bad series outside of his FG percentages his playoff average are on par with his career regular season averages. Take away those two bad series his FG percentages are the same as his regular season percentages. Every year the Blazers lost in the playoffs his team was not the favorites to win those series.

[k_nguyen93]

The Spurs won't have the capspace to get either most likely. They'll have about $72.5 million committed to Aldridge, Leonard, Parker, Green, Diaw, and Mills. Add in $5.5 million for Duncan hopefully coming back and we're at $78 million. Assuming Manu retires that leaves $11 million in capspace, which might be a tough sell for Reddick under this new tv deal. He'll probably make more staying in LA. And that requires not making an offer to West, which will look really bad to other free agents after he came here for the minimum. Even with his struggles early in the year West is much better than a minimum player. Also goodbye Anderson and Simmons. I think improvement next year is going to have to come from within, as I don't expect the Spurs to have money to spend until the summer of 2017 when the cap increases to $108 million vs the $89 million expected for next summer.

I guess the Spurs will have the MLE to make a run at Korver if they bring their guys back, but didn't Korver's wife shit all over that idea a couple of years ago when the Spurs almost signed him?
Well actually the Spurs made a run at Redick during the 2013 season and we know they were already playing great that year and made the finals. From the Woj god himself:
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My guess is the front office knew Neal was probably in store for a pay raise regardless of how the season turned out. They were definitely looking for a shooter willing to take a paycut as evidenced by the Belinelli signing that offseason. Probably tried to do some kind of package with Neal, expiring in Blair, James Anderson and picks. If you think about it, Redick might actually have taken a paycut to play close to his offseason home plus coming from Orlando he was used to no state tax versus the cost of living in Los Angeles. Maybe not a 4 year contract but something short term like what Belinelli did. I do remember reading about how Korver's wife didn't want to go to San Antonio.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

This might be the deepest Spurs team ever. You can't blame Green's subpar shooting on LMA being on the floor. In spite of his poor shooting the Spurs are still the number one defensive team and number 2 offensive team in the league. The only person whose offensive numbers have been affected negatively with the addition of Aldridge is probably Tim Duncan. Get Green clicking and it's going to be scary the types of numbers the spurs will be putting up.

The only 'fool's gold' I see at this point is the fact that the Spurs have played the league's easiest schedule so far. I'll be curious to see how we do against the Warriors and Cavs, and how we look once March/April roll around against teams like the Clips and Thunder. But to question the addition of Aldridge is pretty silly. Were he not on the team there'd be widespread panic about what happens to this team when Duncan and Ginobili are done. I don't sense that fear too much at this point. Splitter was a role player who couldn't be relied upon because of his health. Aldridge is capable of being the face of the franchise.

To me it's not even debate-worthy. But I suppose this discussion was able to fill 8 pages, so there's that.

[DAF86]

What's with LMA not seeing the court for the last 15 minutes of a close game? I thought he was doing fairly OK too.

[ChumpDumper]

What's with LMA not seeing the court for the last 15 minutes of a close game? I thought he was doing fairly OK too.I think it was easier just to let Boris obliterate Indy small ball with his ass.

[DAF86]

I think it was easier just to let Boris obliterate Indy small ball with his ass.

And I think it would have been smarter to have Aldridge close the game out alongside Boris. At this point of his career Tim's confidence and/or feelings won't get affected for sitting out these kind of games, in fact he could use the rest. Meanwhile Aldridge, despite being the ultimate professional since joining the Spurs, has made some comments about him do caring about his numbers and getting benched in crunch time in one of the few close games we get seems like the kind of thing that would affect him. We were winning this game anyway, just let our star signing get his minutes.

[ChumpDumper]

And I think it would have been smarter to have Aldridge close the game out alongside Boris. At this point of his career Tim's confidence and/or feelings won't get affected for sitting out these kind of games, in fact he could use the rest. Meanwhile Aldridge, despite being the ultimate professional since joining the Spurs, has made some comments about him do caring about his numbers and getting benched in crunch time in one of the few close games we get seems like the kind of thing that would affect him. We were winning this game anyway, just let our star signing get his minutes.I have no worries about LMA's alleged ego problems. ST and the krew blew this way out of proportion.

[Leetonidas]

Considering every team in the league is pretty much trash outside of OKC, GS, SA, and CLE, not sure saying the Spurs have had an easy schedule means much at this point

[DAF86]

I have no worries about LMA's alleged ego problems. ST and the krew blew this way out of proportion.

I don't know if they are being blown out of proportion or not but he did make comments like "If y’all want me to come here and average 12 or 13 points, that’s not who I am. I like scoring."

So I'm sure there's a part of him that isn't so thrilled about scoring 15 ppg and not seeing the floor in the last 15 minutes of a close game. That's why I think it would be smarter to play him as much as possible when the situation allows it, like in this previous game.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't know if they are being blown out of proportion or not but he did make comments like "If y’all want me to come here and average 12 or 13 points, that’s not who I am. I like scoring."If that's a direct quote, I'd like to see a link to it.

[DAF86]

If that's a direct quote, I'd like to see a link to it.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/spurs/2015/08/24/lamarcus-aldridges-move-san-antonio-got-unlikely-assist/32211597/

[Spurs 4 The Win]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/spurs/2015/08/24/lamarcus-aldridges-move-san-antonio-got-unlikely-assist/32211597/

Lol, I wondered about this too, sounds to me like Pop said what he needed to hear to get him in the door so that we could perform the patented Spurs lobotomy and remove his ego.