KL>>>PG

[100%duncan]

What an outplay on both ends of the floor. MVWhi bullying niccas. If Steph wasn't Steph, then Kawhi would have a really serious case for MVP imho.

:worthy:

[Agloco]

Good thing we traded him.

[Silver&Black]

PG is still having a helluva season...he just ran into the DPOY tonight.

Kawhi is a monster out there right now. Glad to see him start off cold yet continue to play his way outta it...then catch fire in the 3rd.

[100%duncan]

Good thing we traded him.

Nah imho. PG and KL is still the "what could've been" tandem...

[cd98]

In fairness to PG, Kawhi has to legit 7 ft defenders to back him up if PG gets passed him on the perimeter. I do think Kahi is better, but I think he also benefits from being on a much better team.

[GSH]

Good thing we traded him.

Heh.




In fairness to PG, Kawhi has to legit 7 ft defenders to back him up if PG gets passed him on the perimeter. I do think Kahi is better, but I think he also benefits from being on a much better team.

Fairness is overrated. If I'm starting a team and have the choice between PG and Kawhi, it isn't even close now. And I don't think Kawhi has hit his ceiling like George has.

[100%duncan]

PG is still having a helluva season...he just ran into the DPOY tonight.

Kawhi is a monster out there right now. Glad to see him start off cold yet continue to play his way outta it...then catch fire in the 3rd.

I only started watching the 2nd half, so I didn't see the cold start.

MVP candidate getting wrecked by the Klaw. :worthy:

[SpurPadre]

As I said in the game thread, he made PG-13 look rated G.

[100%duncan]

In fairness to PG, Kawhi has to legit 7 ft defenders to back him up if PG gets passed him on the perimeter. I do think Kahi is better, but I think he also benefits from being on a much better team.

Of course but he pretty much played PG 1v1 on most occasions.

[KL2]

In fairness to PG, Kawhi has to legit 7 ft defenders to back him up if PG gets passed him on the perimeter. I do think Kahi is better, but I think he also benefits from being on a much better team.

Indiana's role players outplayed the Spurs' lol, that's why they were in the game.

[Silver&Black]

I only started watching the 2nd half, so I didn't see the cold start.

MVP candidate getting wrecked by the Klaw. :worthy:

Wanting to say he started off 2-7...missed a lot of easy shots. It's all good though...he turned it around quickly in the 2nd half.

[100%duncan]

Wanting to say he started off 2-7...missed a lot of easy shots. It's all good though...he turned it around quickly in the 2nd half.

Good thing I missed it then

[Silver&Black]

BTW...Kawhi had a couple of nice ass passes tonight.

The one to MVPatty cutting to the rim, the one to MVPatty who was cherry picking, and the behind the back (saving it from going out of bounds) to MVParker for 3 come to mind.

[Atl Spur]

Not Revis Island but definitely we have our very own Kawhiian Island !!!!

[313]

BTW...Kawhi had a couple of nice ass passes tonight.

The one to MVPatty cutting to the rim, the one to MVPatty who was cherry picking, and the behind the back (saving it from going out of bounds) to MVParker for 3 come to mind.
Yeah, I didn't know he had those passes in him.

[Atl Spur]

His defense bothers everyone....

[100%duncan]

BTW...Kawhi had a couple of nice ass passes tonight.

The one to MVPatty cutting to the rim, the one to MVPatty who was cherry picking, and the behind the back (saving it from going out of bounds) to MVParker for 3 come to mind.

Those 2 passes were after 2 misses. Instead of forcing shit up, he chose to make a play for others. Watch out NBA :worthy:

[GSH]

BTW...Kawhi had a couple of nice ass passes tonight.

The one to MVPatty cutting to the rim, the one to MVPatty who was cherry picking, and the behind the back (saving it from going out of bounds) to MVParker for 3 come to mind.


That behind the back save to Tony was just awesome. At that point in the game, with it almost won, a lot of guys wouldn't have even gone after that ball. Kawhi flew out the end and put it right into Tony's waiting hands. The 3 iced the game, but Kawhi's hustle play would have been fantastic, even if Tony missed the shot. That's MVP-style effort and an example to all the other guys on the team. Leading.

[siraulo23]

Good matchup

Kawhi played well after missing a couple of easy looks in the 1st quarter. Kawhi defended george well, george didnt really have any good looks until late in the game but at that point he was ice cold. Tough night for paul george, kawhi dominated this one tonight

[Arcadian]

Kawhi is more valuable than Curry because he's an elite 2-way player.

KawhiVP

[Kawhitstorm]

In fairness to PG, Kawhi has to legit 7 ft defenders to back him up if PG gets passed him on the perimeter. I do think Kahi is better, but I think he also benefits from being on a much better team.

True but there is also his offensive output against Kawhi even after starting slow.

[YGWHI]

I only started watching the 2nd half, so I didn't see the cold start.
After the cold start, he missed open 3's and a couple of bunnies in the first quarter, he made almost every shot he took.

Great performance :flag:

[100%duncan]

Great read.... http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/kawhi-leonard-not-sold lots of gems in this thread :lmao

[BD24]

Kevin Durant is probably salty as fuck right now.

[100%duncan]

Kevin Durant is probably salty as fuck right now.

pizzafaced faggot better be, kawhi rekt him on opening day too bad we fucked up

[SAGirl]

In fairness to PG, Kawhi has to legit 7 ft defenders to back him up if PG gets passed him on the perimeter. I do think Kahi is better, but I think he also benefits from being on a much better team.
Agree with this.
Kawhi is a star though.
Don't want to diminish him.
But obviously the Pacers are not the friking Spurs, nor is the Pacers' offense the same as the Spurs.

[SAGirl]

Kevin Durant is probably salty as fuck right now.
He's been that way since Kawhi won Finals MVP and rang.

[RD2191]

Or you could look at this way, Kawhi is putting up monster stats playing with a few hall of famers. His numbers would go way up if he was the go to guy on a shitty eastern conference team.

[BD24]

He's been that way since Kawhi won Finals MVP and rang.
Oh I know lol. Was referencing his tweet where he said PG was way better than Kawhi and that Kawhi was just a system player. :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

There are people here that thought Jimmy Cancer was better than Kawhi, too:lol..

[100%duncan]

There are people here that thought Jimmy Cancer was better than Kawhi, too:lol..

There are still some of them, I'm sure of it tbh. Calispurs guy, someone tag him tbh.

So where do we put kawhi on sf's tbh? Only KD and Lebron are probably still better, but with Kawhi emerging as a 20+ ppg guy 8 ppg 2 spg 1 bpg, locking down the other team's best wing, can we put him above KD and below Lebron? Or dare to say above both :wow

[HarlemHeat37]

There are still some of them, I'm sure of it tbh. Calispurs guy, someone tag him tbh.

So where do we put kawhi on sf's tbh? Only KD and Lebron are probably still better, but with Kawhi emerging as a 20+ ppg guy 8 ppg 2 spg 1 bpg, locking down the other team's best wing, can we put him above KD and below Lebron? Or dare to say above both :wow

Kawhi is slightly better than Durant, tbh..only Curry and Lebron are clearly better overall players IMO..I suppose you could make arguments for Durant and Westbrook, though..

[100%duncan]

Kawhi is slightly better than Durant, tbh..

But Lebron is still head-and-shoulders better?

[Kawhitstorm]

Kawhi is slightly better than Durant, tbh..only Curry and Lebron are clearly better overall players IMO..I suppose you could make arguments for Durant and Westbrook, though..

Kawhi will get that nod when he develops counters on his postups against the likes of Mbah a Moute & gets to the line more than Mario Chalmers :lol

[100%duncan]

Kawhi is slightly better than Durant, tbh..only Curry and Lebron are clearly better overall players IMO..I suppose you could make arguments for Durant and Westbrook, though..

Isn't kawhi a better overall player than curry considering his defense? Curry is definitely the most valuable, but overall?

[FkLA]

Damn, 0 second half points and 1/14 shooting overall fit PG. Haven't seen a Spur dominate a marquee match-up so bad since Enrique schooled Westbrook a couple years ago.

[HarlemHeat37]

Kawhi will get that nod when he develops counters on his postups against the likes of Mbah a Moute & gets to the line more than Mario Chalmers :lol

There are many players that are better than him offensively(Lebron, Irving, Curry, Harden, Paul, Griffin, Durant, Westbrook, maybe Cousins, maybe Lillard, maybe Lowry), but his ability to erase opposing stars can't be ignored, especially when most of the players in this comparison are average to poor defensive players:lol..

[100%duncan]

Kawhi will get that nod when he develops counters on his postups against the likes of Mbah a Moute & gets to the line more than Mario Chalmers :lol


kawhi should really learn on going to the line tbh. Will give him a good extra 6 ppg

[100%duncan]

Damn, 0 second half points and 1/14 shooting overall fit PG. Haven't seen a Spur dominate a marquee match-up so bad since Enrique schooled Westbrook a couple years ago.


Yup, most of them were also jump shots where kawhi just D'd him up 1v1. Although that Timmy block on a PG dunk attempt was sweet :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

kawhi should really learn on going to the line tbh. Will give him a good extra 6 ppg

He should adapt Wade's shot fake/counters since he already has his postup/mid-range game combo. Melo is his doppelganger but Kawhi's game is more similar to post-2011 Wade than Kirby, it's just that his range extends all the way to the 3 point line. Even Melo isn't that good at drawing fouls compared to other elite scorers.

[timtonymanu]

It's good of PG to bounce back after that horrific injury, but Kawhi passed him as a player once the injury happened.

[100%duncan]

It's good of PG to bounce back after that horrific injury, but Kawhi passed him as a player once the injury happened.

Definitely makes the East a little bit more interesting

[Kawhitstorm]

There are many players that are better than him offensively(Lebron, Irving, Curry, Harden, Paul, Griffin, Durant, Westbrook, maybe Cousins, maybe Lillard, maybe Lowry), but his ability to erase opposing stars can't be ignored, especially when most of the players in this comparison are average to poor defensive players:lol..

I would like to see Durant play in a free flowing offense before I declare Kawhi as the better player The guy at his best is essentially a 7ft version of Curry as he proved during his MVP season (well at least in the regular season:lol). Durant/CP3 & Blake/Russ are probably better pairings for both Durant/Westbrook. CP3 would spoon feed KD like Rondo/Ray Allen & Russ would have a PnR/PnP big who can make plays unlike Kanter/Ibaka:lol, would be upgraded to Wade/LeBron PnR status.

Westbrook/Durant are the modern day Dirk/Nash & would have just as much success separately if they had an offense built around each one.

[100%duncan]

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWzgrvaU4AAts9J.jpg:large

:wow

[Box]

:wow

Holy shit.

[emanueldavidginobili]

KL is the third best SF in the world, let's not get carried away though KD is still above him for now

[RD2191]

KL is the third best SF in the world, let's not get carried away though KD is still above him for now
On offense maybe.

[DMC]

Paul George had a bad night, he's still Paul George. It just happened that way because Kawhi Leonard is still Kawhi Leonard.

[Tuddy]

Where do you rank PG at the moment? Obviously Kawhi is top 5. Is PG top 10?

[100%duncan]

Where do you rank PG at the moment? Obviously Kawhi is top 5. Is PG top 10?

He was playing mvp level until the last 2-3 weeks maybe.

For me so far this year it's like

tier1:Curry

tier2:Bron, Whi, Durant, Blake, WB,

tier3: drummond, pg, harden

He might have a case for top 10(3rd tier) so far this season but he's gotta up the D, even Pacers fans in pacers digest aren't fond of his defense.

[mudyez]

But...but Larry Bird won the Exec of the years award that season!!!

[Tuddy]

Funny how Davis was supposed to be right there for MVP but he's barely top 10. Lowry must be close.

[100%duncan]

Funny how Davis was supposed to be right there for MVP but he's barely top 10. Lowry must be close.

For this season alone AND so far, Davis doesn't deserve to be in that conversation.

[Kawhitstorm]

Funny how Davis was supposed to be right there for MVP but he's barely top 10. Lowry must be close.

Davis isn't a 100% & has been playing hurt for the majority of the season, not to mention that their whole squad is decimated w/ injuries. Funny how he has beaten both Lebron/Kawhi this season.

Davis left Sunday's game after the first quarter and received two IVs as he battled through an illness, but returned in the fourth quarter and finished with 27 points (9-13 FG, 9-9 FT), six rebounds and four blocks in just 20 minutes during a win over the Nuggets.

Spin: To say that Davis was instrumental in beating Denver would be an understatement. He scored a career-high 19 points in the first quarter to propel the Pelicans to a five-point lead, saw the Nuggets roar ahead with a 43-point second quarter while he was in the locker room getting treatment, then came back onto the court and blocked two shots in the final minute of play to help preserve the win.

[100%duncan]

Davis isn't a 100% & has been playing hurt for the majority of the season, not to mention that their whole squad is decimated w/ injuries. Funny how he has beaten both Lebron/Kawhi this season.

Davis left Sunday's game after the first quarter and received two IVs as he battled through an illness, but returned in the fourth quarter and finished with 27 points (9-13 FG, 9-9 FT), six rebounds and four blocks in just 20 minutes during a win over the Nuggets.

Spin: To say that Davis was instrumental in beating Denver would be an understatement. He scored a career-high 19 points in the first quarter to propel the Pelicans to a five-point lead, saw the Nuggets roar ahead with a 43-point second quarter while he was in the locker room getting treatment, then came back onto the court and blocked two shots in the final minute of play to help preserve the win.

Still not top 10 though. Not the top 10's fault he's had to deal with the shit he has right now

[UZER]

I was glad to see Kawhi go hard at PG from the tip off. Means he took the challenge head on. Too many times these days you see guys half ass it on D because the don't want to be embarrassed, then try to step it up in the final 3-4 minutes of the game.

It
was a great match up to see. Reminded me of when Duncan and KG used to go at it in the regular season.

[100%duncan]

http://www.nba.com/spurs/video/teams/spurs/2015/12/22/1450761290152-2c89a07b-27ae-4d38-8588-7b9339e22825-1-.mp4-186749

KL highlights last night

[Russo21]

It's good of PG to bounce back after that horrific injury, but Kawhi passed him as a player once the injury happened. Agreed mate. I thought PG was done after he snapped his leg in half and that he'd be the next Grant Hill or something. It's great for the NBA that he is back and playing better than ever. LBJ is still the best but is wearing down, Durant has peaked then it'll be Kawhi and PG's world at SF

[DAF86]

There are people here that thought Jimmy Cancer was better than Kawhi, too:lol..

Jimmy Cancer would be Butler? I remeber clowning him not too long ago and you coming to his defense. What made you change your tune about him so quickly son? The comments about Hoiberg?

[HarlemHeat37]

Jimmy Cancer would be Butler? I remeber clowning him not too long ago and you coming to his defense. What made you change your tune about him so quickly son? The comments about Hoiberg?

I still like his game, but the reports are flooding about him being a diva/cancer, tbh:lol..

I believe he's being sabotaged by the Chicago media and fans as a scapegoat, just like Thibs was, though..anything to protect their beloved Derrick Rose, despite Rose being arguably the worst starting PG in the NBA, right now..

[DAF86]

BTW, How many SF's has Kawhi completely shut down this season so far? There was a stat out there, somewhere.

[DAF86]

I still like his game, but the reports are flooding about him being a diva/cancer, tbh:lol..

I believe he's being sabotaged by the Chicago media and fans as a scapegoat, just like Thibs was, though..anything to protect their beloved Derrick Rose, despite Rose being arguably the worst starting PG in the NBA, right now..

I like his game too, tbh. He's just not the player the media wants us to believe he can be. He could be a good 3rd or 4th player on a contender but he's no franchise player.

[bic50]

I'll give pg the benefit of the doubt and say it was mostly an off night for him. This whole pg vs kl debate didn't start with pg saying he was better then kawhi or anything disrespectful about him.
It started with kd and a fan on social media.
But kawhi still has to take these things personal and has something to prove, considering he was being the one getting the most disrespect from fans who thought it was a complete joke to even mention his name in the same breathe as pg. I'm glad he took it to kd too.

[TheDoctor]

BTW, How many SF's has Kawhi completely shut down this season so far? There was a stat out there, somewhere.

Saltyrant 6/19, 22pts
Kawhi 13/22, 32pts

JJohnson 1/7, 2pts
Kawhi 6/16, 16pts

Melo 4/17, 19pts
Kawhi 8/16, 18pts

RGay 5/15, 10pts
Kawhi 10/13, 24pts

JButler 5/9, 14pts
Kawhi 9/21, 25pts

Gallinari 2/9, 9pts
Kawhi 8/16, 20pts

Gallinari 5/15, 16pts
Kawhi 11/18, 25pts

Antetokoumpo 2/8, 7pts
Kawhi 3/12, 13pts

BHayward 1/5, 2pts
Kawhi 7/10, 22pts

Crying George 1/14, 7pts
Kawhi 10/19, 24pts

Its worth noticing that Jimmy Cancer made some stat padding playing against scrubs in their matchup. Same with Gallinari in that 2nd game.

[DAF86]

Thanks bro.

[quentin_compson]

Kawhi is having an absolute monster of a season, what a privilege to watch.

[Kawhitstorm]

Still not top 10 though. Not the top 10's fault he's had to deal with the shit he has right now

In that case, you must have not seen Harden play without Howard this season nor Paul George the past 2 wks or so. Didn't PG just bitch about not being a 100% for his struggles? Meanwhile Anthony Davis is putting up 23/10/3 while shooting 48% while not being a 100% for the majority of the season. Muphuckas acting like he's turned into Dwight Howard or some shyt, when he still has the highest PER amongst PFs including Blake & better than Drummond:lol.

Weren't folks claiming LeBron was past his prime at this same point last season before he took a 2 wk vacation mid-season?:lmao

[Kawhitstorm]

Saltyrant 6/19, 22pts
Kawhi 13/22, 32pts

JJohnson 1/7, 2pts
Kawhi 6/16, 16pts

Melo 4/17, 19pts
Kawhi 8/16, 18pts

RGay 5/15, 10pts
Kawhi 10/13, 24pts

JButler 5/9, 14pts
Kawhi 9/21, 25pts

Gallinari 2/9, 9pts
Kawhi 8/16, 20pts

Gallinari 5/15, 16pts
Kawhi 11/18, 25pts

Antetokoumpo 2/8, 7pts
Kawhi 3/12, 13pts

BHayward 1/5, 2pts
Kawhi 7/10, 22pts

Crying George 1/14, 7pts
Kawhi 10/19, 24pts

Its worth noticing that Jimmy Cancer made some stat padding playing against scrubs in their matchup. Same with Gallinari in that 2nd game.

Of all the players in the league, Kawhi got torched by Aminu/Otto Porter this season:lmao

[bic50]

Of all the players in the league, Kawhi got torched by Aminu/Otto Porter this season:lmao

This is weird to me. It's like you're a kawhi fan but not a kawhi fan.

[Kawhitstorm]

This is weird to me. It's like you're a kawhi fan but not a kawhi fan.

I just found it to be hilarious, I'm not clowning Kawhi. Just being objective instead of a fan boy:lol

[100%duncan]

In that case, you must have not seen Harden play without Howard this season nor Paul George the past 2 wks or so. Didn't PG just bitch about not being a 100% for his struggles? Meanwhile Anthony Davis is putting up 23/10/3 while shooting 48% while not being a 100% for the majority of the season. Muphuckas acting like he's turned into Dwight Howard or some shyt, when he still has the highest PER amongst PFs including Blake & better than Drummond:lol.

Weren't folks claiming LeBron was past his prime at this same point last season before he took a 2 wk vacation mid-season?:lmao

But he's still not top 10. This is MVP talk, so far, he's not top 10.

[100%duncan]

Saltyrant 6/19, 22pts
Kawhi 13/22, 32pts

JJohnson 1/7, 2pts
Kawhi 6/16, 16pts

Melo 4/17, 19pts
Kawhi 8/16, 18pts

RGay 5/15, 10pts
Kawhi 10/13, 24pts

JButler 5/9, 14pts
Kawhi 9/21, 25pts

Gallinari 2/9, 9pts
Kawhi 8/16, 20pts

Gallinari 5/15, 16pts
Kawhi 11/18, 25pts

Antetokoumpo 2/8, 7pts
Kawhi 3/12, 13pts

BHayward 1/5, 2pts
Kawhi 7/10, 22pts

Crying George 1/14, 7pts
Kawhi 10/19, 24pts

Its worth noticing that Jimmy Cancer made some stat padding playing against scrubs in their matchup. Same with Gallinari in that 2nd game.

:wow

[YGWHI]

Of all the players in the league, Kawhi got torched by Aminu/Otto Porter this season:lmao


This is weird to me. It's like you're a kawhi fan but not a kawhi fan.

He said he's an objective fan but...

-Kawhi in the two games against Porter this season.

10-22 23 pts (Porter 19)
9-15 27 pts (Porter 2)

-Kawhi in the two games against Aminu this season.

7-14 7 reb 20 pts (Aminu 17)
8-15 9 reb 19 pts (Aminu 11)

"got torched"

:lol

[bic50]

:tu
He said he's an objective fan but...

-Kawhi in the two games against Porter this season.

10-22 23 pts (Porter 19)
9-15 27 pts (Porter 2)

-Kawhi in the two games against Aminu this season.

7-14 7 reb 20 pts (Aminu 17)
8-15 9 reb 19 pts (Aminu 11)

"got torched"

:lol

:lol :tu

[Kawhitstorm]

He said he's an objective fan but...

-Kawhi in the two games against Porter this season.

10-22 23 pts (Porter 19)
9-15 27 pts (Porter 2)

-Kawhi in the two games against Aminu this season.

7-14 7 reb 20 pts (Aminu 17)
8-15 9 reb 19 pts (Aminu 11)

"got torched"

:lol

Big Dummy, I'm talking about the one game each for Aminu/Porter where they scored above their season average in an efficient manner which is the opposite of what has been happening to the rest of the competition. So in relativity, he got torched by Aminu/Porter. EVERYTHING IS IN RELATIVITY!

[YGWHI]

I'm talking about the one game...

Poor guy...when he realizes that his theory of Kawhi "got torched by Porter" fails because Kawhi defended Beal the entire game in Washington and most of Porter's points were actually on Danny.

[Kawhitstorm]

Poor guy...when he realizes that his theory of Kawhi "got torched by Porter" fails because Kawhi defended Beal the entire game in Washington and most of Porter's points were actually on Danny.

You're right, it was Beal that gave him the business.