Morris goes Horry on Horny

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http://arizonasports.com/story/498849/markieff-morris-towel-jeff-hornacek-coach-suns/

"Markieff Morris had quietly played well over the past week, but his brief moment away from controversy didn’t last long.
According to The Arizona Republic’s Paul Coro, Morris was taken out of the Suns’ 104-96 loss to the Denver Nuggets early in the fourth quarter and was witnessed throwing a towel at Hornacek, who reacted by tossing it aside."

[TheGreatYacht]

I pity the fans of that mediocre team. Nah. Scratch that. Faggot fans don't know how to handle the constant L's Spurs gave em

[Thread]

***Another weird twist to this game. I was watching it late in the fourth quarter and one of the Suns announcers stated that Randy Foye's heart is on the right side of his chest instead of the left!

[UNT Eagles 2016]

***Another weird twist to this game. I was watching it late in the fourth quarter and one of the Suns announcers stated that Randy Foye's heart is on the right side of his chest instead of the left!

Yes. I've known that for years, since Mike Tirico announced it in a Detroit/Minnesota game on ESPN his rookie year. It's a condition only about one in 800,000 people have in which all of the interior organs are located on the opposite side of where they normally are. This includes the heart, liver, pancreas, gallbladder, stomach, spleen, appendix, and sigmoid colon.

[Splits]

***Another weird twist to this game. I was watching it late in the fourth quarter and one of the Suns announcers stated that Randy Foye's heart is on the right side of his chest instead of the left!

At least he has a heart.

Who unlocked your padded reading room, Dale? How'd that 7/22 35 point beat down taste while the Spurs quietly won by 20 again?

[Thread]

At least he has a heart.

Who unlocked your padded reading room, Dale? How'd that 7/22 35 point beat down taste while the Spurs quietly won by 20 again?

You ain't champ. You're one of 29 just like us.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

At least he has a heart.

Who unlocked your padded reading room, Dale? How'd that 7/22 35 point beat down taste while the Spurs quietly won by 20 again?

Meh. Was hoping Methlahoma was worn out. We need to gain some ground on them while our schedule is still light to moderate

[Splits]

You ain't champ. You're one of 29 just like us.

No, we're one of 16 who will make the postseason, and one of four with a shot at the title.

Meanwhile, your Kobe is playing while retired, which he should have poemed 4 years ago when he was just 33 years young.

[HarlemHeat37]

They have quietly turned into one of the 4 worst organizations in the NBA IMO..

Their future looked promising, about a year ago, they had assets and pieces..trading for a meh player like Knight, signing a washed-up Tyson Chandler in an attempt to stupidly sign Lamarcus Aldridge(not sure why they wanted to when he wouldn't have helped them contend), the Morris twins debacle, a shitty coach, etc..

[Kawhitstorm]

The Suns need to cut bait w/ that dude, a coach like Lionel Hollins would have knocked him out but he knows Hornacek is just going to tolerate it. **Jerry Sloan is rolling over in his grave**

[Kawhitstorm]

They have quietly turned into one of the 4 worst organizations in the NBA IMO..

Their future looked promising, about a year ago, they had assets and pieces..trading for a meh player like Knight, signing a washed-up Tyson Chandler in an attempt to stupidly sign Lamarcus Aldridge(not sure why they wanted to when he wouldn't have helped them contend), the Morris twins debacle, a shitty coach, etc..

They are turning out to be more dysfunctional than the Kings:lol

[HarlemHeat37]

They are probably the worst, at this point, actually:lol..at least the Sixers/Lakers have a nice tanking plan, and the Kings are actually competing for the 8 seed..

Their roster construction doesn't make any sense, and their franchise's direction isn't clear, at all..are they trying to compete for a playoff spot or rebuild? They have a bunch of vets that have peaked, Hornacek doesn't have a rotation..are they trying to move them and develop Booker/Warren/Len? Doesn't make sense:lol

[BatManu20]

Meh. Was hoping Methlahoma was worn out. We need to gain some ground on them while our schedule is still light to moderate

Agreed. Especially with their easy schedule coming up over the next 3 weeks (ours isn't bad either, but still).



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[TheGreatYacht]

No, we're one of 16 who will make the postseason, and one of four with a shot at the title.

Meanwhile, your Kobe is playing while retired, which he should have poemed 4 years ago when he was just 33 years young.
Splits top tier posting per par

[Kawhitstorm]

They are probably the worst, at this point, actually:lol..at least the Sixers/Lakers have a nice tanking plan, and the Kings are actually competing for the 8 seed..

Their roster construction doesn't make any sense, and their franchise's direction isn't clear, at all..are they trying to compete for a playoff spot or rebuild? They have a bunch of vets that have peaked, Hornacek doesn't have a rotation..are they trying to move them and develop Booker/Warren/Len? Doesn't make sense:lol

Len has been injury prone but Warren seems like one of those Jeremy Lamb guys who's going to end up getting underutilized then traded for a sack of potatoes. They are having buyers remorse w/ Tyson after PATFO cucked them but I don't know where they could dump him: maybe swap for Mozgov/Sideshow if the Cavs fear losing Mozgov in the offesason.

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No, we're one of 16 who will make the postseason, and one of four with a shot at the title.

Meanwhile, your Kobe is playing while retired, which he should have poemed 4 years ago when he was just 33 years young.

No, no, sweetheart. We ain't goin' back to the days of "make the postseason." That's how I found you fellows in this outpost. Uh, uh. There is one standard. One. 1. Just 1. NBA Champion. Anything else is (one of 29.)

You ain't champ. You're no better than me.

Now,

Good mornin',

&

Let us proceed...

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Splits top tier posting per par

I'll tell you the same fuckin' thing I told the turd hound:::you ain't champ. State is champ. You ain't State. I ain't State.

You & me? We're in the pool of 29.

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The Suns need to cut bait w/ that dude, a coach like Lionel Hollins would have knocked him out but he knows Hornacek is just going to tolerate it. **Jerry Sloan is rolling over in his grave**

Please. Jerry Sloan let Williams run him off at gun point. Why? Because Sloan was white, Williams was bla,,, mulatto, & Sloan wasn't up to it at 70 years of age.

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An excerpt from the 98.7 website extolling the virtues of Pop...they don't know about Jackson about killing Pop a couple years ago:::

azfan64 (https://disqus.com/by/azfan64/) AzSunnyD (http://arizonasports.com/story/498849/markieff-morris-towel-jeff-hornacek-coach-suns/#comment-2424290976)• 3 hours ago (http://arizonasports.com/story/498849/markieff-morris-towel-jeff-hornacek-coach-suns/#comment-2424292738)I have been saying this for almost 2 years now. Hornacek does not have respect of the players. You have been on this board longer than me so I know you know I Have said this many times.


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[Thread]

They've forsaken Horny by not extending his contract. He's in the last year. Whenever that situation arises (in the past whether here, or, somewhere else where they can make some hay over) the local Media has numerous stories (talk shows grist mill) about it and stump for the poor fellow. Not this time. All quiet on the Phoenix front. It's a very tricky black & white situation here with Morris/black, Horny/white. Nobody wants to end up on the bread lines over it.

I'll be honest,,,I ain't enjoyed watching Suns basketball in years. There was always the threat of victory even the worst of games. Now, there is the blessing of loss in every game. This is great.

[Kawhitstorm]

Please. Jerry Sloan let Williams run him off at gun point. Why? Because Sloan was white, Williams was bla,,, mulatto, & Sloan wasn't up to it at 70 years of age.

Deron didn't say shyt to Sloan face he went to the GM to file his grievances. Otherwise, Hollins got run out of Memphis by Hollinger.:lol

[Thread]

Deron didn't say shyt to Sloan face he went to the GM to file his grievances. Otherwise, Hollins got run out of Memphis by Hollinger.:lol

& Sloan slunk away like a good white man will do now in the face of an angry black man. Look how I cowered when Kool threatened to beat my honkey ass a few months ago. I went into the RR and pushed the genuine imitation leather couch up against the door. I was scared shitless and even that was a 50% proposition before Kool started in.

[Thread]

I'm goin' back to couch and dream of all the Christmas of my childhood. We'd get top flight guns that would fire darts, sit on the couch and take aim at my mother's expensive ornaments hanging from the tree. LMAO!!!

[illmatic]

They have quietly turned into one of the 4 worst organizations in the NBA IMO..

Their future looked promising, about a year ago, they had assets and pieces..trading for a meh player like Knight, signing a washed-up Tyson Chandler in an attempt to stupidly sign Lamarcus Aldridge(not sure why they wanted to when he wouldn't have helped them contend), the Morris twins debacle, a shitty coach, etc..

So much of this. We swapped places with the Warriors.

[illmatic]

They've forsaken Horny by not extending his contract. He's in the last year. Whenever that situation arises (in the past whether here, or, somewhere else where they can make some hay over) the local Media has numerous stories (talk shows grist mill) about it and stump for the poor fellow. Not this time. All quiet on the Phoenix front. It's a very tricky black & white situation here with Morris/black, Horny/white. Nobody wants to end up on the bread lines over it.

I'll be honest,,,I ain't enjoyed watching Suns basketball in years. There was always the threat of victory even the worst of games. Now, there is the blessing of loss in every game. This is great.

Thank Christ. A good Christmas gift this year would be Horny's firing and Markieff playing elsewhere. We can focus on the owner and the GM next year.

[illmatic]

They are probably the worst, at this point, actually:lol..at least the Sixers/Lakers have a nice tanking plan, and the Kings are actually competing for the 8 seed..

Their roster construction doesn't make any sense, and their franchise's direction isn't clear, at all..are they trying to compete for a playoff spot or rebuild? They have a bunch of vets that have peaked, Hornacek doesn't have a rotation..are they trying to move them and develop Booker/Warren/Len? Doesn't make sense:lol

Not at all. We need to be focusing on the development of our younger players but we're playing PJ fucking Tucker instead of TJ Warren. And who the fuck didn't see Markieff being on the team at the beginning of the year as a problem besides our goddamn GM?

[bdictjames]

Yes. I've known that for years, since Mike Tirico announced it in a Detroit/Minnesota game on ESPN his rookie year. It's a condition only about one in 800,000 people have in which all of the interior organs are located on the opposite side of where they normally are. This includes the heart, liver, pancreas, gallbladder, stomach, spleen, appendix, and sigmoid colon.
Yup, its called dextrocardia. Pretty cool thing, I work at a hospital and I've seen it once. To listen to their heartbeats on the right side is pretty astounding in itself.

[lefty]

So throwing towels at coaches is a Suns thing

[Thread]

Thank Christ. A good Christmas gift this year would be Horny's firing and Markieff playing elsewhere. We can focus on the owner and the GM next year.

You'll have to use a gun to get Sarver out. He's like Buss' children, he's having the time of his life. He ain't giving that up. Hell, I wouldn't either.

I want to see McDonough get it though. His excuse yesterday was everybody except State and the Spurs weren't any good so the Suns shouldn't be blamed.

[Thread]

So throwing towels at coaches is a Suns thing

If that didn't get started the Lakers are light at least 1 NBA Title and it's like:::

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 6

Kobe: like 3?

[Splits]

They've forsaken Horny by not extending his contract. He's in the last year. Whenever that situation arises (in the past whether here, or, somewhere else where they can make some hay over) the local Media has numerous stories (talk shows grist mill) about it and stump for the poor fellow. Not this time. All quiet on the Phoenix front. It's a very tricky black & white situation here with Morris/black, Horny/white. Nobody wants to end up on the bread lines over it.

I'll be honest,,,I ain't enjoyed watching Suns basketball in years. There was always the threat of victory even the worst of games. Now, there is the blessing of loss in every game. This is great.

Like me watching the purple n piss. Every game day is xmas

[Splits]

& Sloan slunk away like a good white man will do now in the face of an angry black man. Look how I cowered when Kool threatened to beat my honkey ass a few months ago. I went into the RR and pushed the genuine imitation leather couch up against the door. I was scared shitless and even that was a 50% proposition before Kool started in.

Get your lying ass out of here. I sent you to the padded room. Me.

[Thread]

Get your lying ass out of here. I sent you to the padded room. Me.

Yes, one moment you were pushing me. The next moment you were pulling me back. Make up your fuckin' mind.

[Thread]

Like me watching the purple n piss. Every game day is xmas

I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.

[Splits]

Yes, one moment you were pushing me. The next moment you were pulling me back. Make up your fuckin' mind.

What the fuck are you lying about now?

[Splits]

No, no, sweetheart. We ain't goin' back to the days of "make the postseason." That's how I found you fellows in this outpost. Uh, uh. There is one standard. One. 1. Just 1. NBA Champion. Anything else is (one of 29.)

You ain't champ. You're no better than me.

Now,

Good mornin',

&

Let us proceed...

Look, stupid. I'm talking about the present, this season. I know all you can talk about is the past, because your Kobe is playing retired and your Knicks-West have no present or future, but I'm talking this season. And in order to be 1, you've got to be in the top 16. You're lurking in the deepest of the deep with the Sixes and nobody else. We're riding high, sporting a 26-5 with a legit shot at 6. So either go back to your padded room or give me that reacharound I deserve.

[Thread]

Look, stupid. I'm talking about the present, this season. I know all you can talk about is the past, because your Kobe is playing retired and your Knicks-West have no present or future, but I'm talking this season. And in order to be 1, you've got to be in the top 16. You're lurking in the deepest of the deep with the Sixes and nobody else. We're riding high, sporting a 26-5 with a legit shot at 6. So either go back to your padded room or give me that reacharound I deserve.

I'm talking about the present as well. You ain't champion. You're in the pool of 29 with us.

YOU AIN'T CHAMPPERIOD

[Splits]

I'm talking about the present as well. You ain't champion. You're in the pool of 29 with us.

YOU AIN'T CHAMPPERIOD

That was 6 months ago, the past, you know when you had Okafor in your sights.

Right now, we're sitting at 26-5 on a barnstorming path to 6 while you have as many wins as we have losses with no future

[Thread]

That was 6 months ago, the past, you know when you had Okafor in your sights.

Right now, we're sitting at 26-5 on a barnstorming path to 6 while you have as many wins as we have losses with no future

I don't give a shit. You ain't Champ, Splits. If you're Champ come June I'll cite ya. It will be like this:::

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 6

Kobe: 5

[DMC]

No, no, sweetheart. We ain't goin' back to the days of "make the postseason." That's how I found you fellows in this outpost. Uh, uh. There is one standard. One. 1. Just 1. NBA Champion. Anything else is (one of 29.)

You ain't champ. You're no better than me.

Now,

Good mornin',

&

Let us proceed...

You've rendered your "standard" to be moot since you go back on it so often. But it's within your right to say that's how you believe. It doesn't make it the rule however. The rest of us still know it's better to make a deep playoff run than to not even compete for years.

Your argument should be lodged against those on the bubble, not those who are contenders for the ring.

[JMarkJohns]

Two years ago was the worst thing to happen. They were supposed to be bad, then won 48 games despite significant injuries. They figured with health and depth, they weren't many more years of development away from legitimate contention aka Warriors.

Then Dragic blew a huge fucking hole into the plan, and quietly they have been chasing what they lost in Channing Frye ever since they let him go.

The Morris twins were always going to fuck them over somehow.

They tried to salvage their hurried plan by acquiring Knight, who, on paper looked to make a lot of sense as a good passer and solid perimeter shooter.

They tried to address their woeful front court defense with Chandler.

They kept Tucker.

Meanwhile they have no idea what they have in Goodwin, and haven't committed to Warren in two years yet, and now have another rookie worth minutes in Booker who is playing behind a veteran who just signed a 70 million contract.

They still have the picks and young talent to do a rebuild correctly.

But now they are operating under the burden of expectations.

And they have a tainted lockerroom and a toxic product turning away fans at a time the three other pro teams are building fan-friendly products.

It starts and ends with Sarver.

I was optimistic about McDonough, but I have a feeling he's compromised by Sarver's win-now edicts. Hornacek holds potential with a purge, but he's not a coach to get through to fuck ups like Morris, Tucker or get the most out of hard-headed or half-hearted folks like Bledsoe, Knight.

So, they are fucked for the short term.

Which likely means they are fucked for the long term.

[Thread]

You've rendered your "standard" to be moot since you go back on it so often. But it's within your right to say that's how you believe. It doesn't make it the rule however. The rest of us still know it's better to make a deep playoff run than to not even compete for years.

Your argument should be lodged against those on the bubble, not those who are contenders for the ring.

That's a sea change from what was '14 when you were Champion. It took me pre Pau a couple hard years to break you fellows from "it's better" belief. But, I did it. Me. Now, because we're burnt to the ground and you're still upright you want to shift back. I won't let that happen. I will not condone it. And you will thank me someday for not permitting you to back slide.

[Thread]

Two years ago was the worst thing to happen. They were supposed to be bad, then won 48 games despite significant injuries. They figured with health and depth, they weren't many more years of development away from legitimate contention aka Warriors.

Then Dragic blew a huge fucking hole into the plan, and quietly they have been chasing what they lost in Channing Frye ever since they let him go.

The Morris twins were always going to fuck them over somehow.

They tried to salvage their hurried plan by acquiring Knight, who, on paper looked to make a lot of sense as a good passer and solid perimeter shooter.

They tried to address their woeful front court defense with Chandler.

They kept Tucker.

Meanwhile they have no idea what they have in Goodwin, and haven't committed to Warren in two years yet, and now have another rookie worth minutes in Booker who is playing behind a veteran who just signed a 70 million contract.

They still have the picks and young talent to do a rebuild correctly.

But now they are operating under the burden of expectations.

And they have a tainted lockerroom and a toxic product turning away fans at a time the three other pro teams are building fan-friendly products.

It starts and ends with Sarver.

I was optimistic about McDonough, but I have a feeling he's compromised by Sarver's win-now edicts. Hornacek holds potential with a purge, but he's not a coach to get through to fuck ups like Morris, Tucker or get the most out of hard-headed or half-hearted folks like Bledsoe, Knight.

So, they are fucked for the short term.

Which likely means they are fucked for the long term.

But, there was absolutely no empirical record to put any belief in McDonough. He did nothing in Boston. But, he came here and this local Media pimped him shamelessly. Even I was caught up in it. I was afraid for no other reasons than my own Suns hatred disease and the constant "A rock star." again & again on 98.7. He ain't shit. Just another asshole putting out excuses every fucking time something goes wrong &/or they lose.

And like I said earlier this morning,,,Sarver ain't giving this up. Sure, he wants to win, but, he'll take losing as long as he has this seat of ownership. And I don't blame him. I'd make you come and get me too with a court order.

[DMC]

That's a sea change from what was '14 when you were Champion. It took me pre Pau a couple hard years to break you fellows from "it's better" belief. But, I did it. Me. Now, because we're burnt to the ground and you're still upright you want to shift back. I won't let that happen. I will not condone it. And you will thank me someday for not permitting you to back slide.
Yet you say "it's better" to miss the playoffs. By your logic then the Lakers are about as good as they can possibly be unless one day they magically win the ring without ever having had to have a playoff failure. Getting built to that level isn't good, since it could mean you make the playoffs but don't win a ring, and that's worse than missing the playoffs.

You've not broken anyone from anything. You aren't the standard bearer. Your view on things is too convenient in your court and too extreme in your opponent's. It's self serving to say the least, and I doubt anyone here has adopted it. If anything, they turn it back on you when the opportunity arises.

Holding you to your own arbitrary standard isn't the same as adopting it ourselves.

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Yet you say "it's better" to miss the playoffs.

You've not broken anyone from anything. You aren't the standard bearer. Your view on things is too convenient in your court and too extreme in your opponent's. It's self serving to say the least, and I doubt anyone here has adopted it. If anything, they turn it back on you when the opportunity arises.

Holding you to your own arbitrary standard isn't the same as adopting it ourselves.

That is just nonsense. I never said such. It was a suppository isolated question and I granted on it. Like would you lick a homeless man's ass crack for $10,000? Up & back? Of course I would.

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Yet you say "it's better" to miss the playoffs.

You've not broken anyone from anything. You aren't the standard bearer. Your view on things is too convenient in your court and too extreme in your opponent's. It's self serving to say the least, and I doubt anyone here has adopted it. If anything, they turn it back on you when the opportunity arises.

Holding you to your own arbitrary standard isn't the same as adopting it ourselves.

I am the standard bearer. The only difference is now I can't get there and you still can, so, you want to change the standard. No. It's one standard. Champion. My ruination is not your freedom. No.

[DMC]

That is just nonsense. I never said such. It was a suppository isolated question and I granted on it. Like would you lick a homeless man's ass crack for $10,000? Up & back? Of course I would.

If I granted you that, you'd still be stuck with the notion that anything other than a ring is a failure. That means you cannot rebuild successfully unless you win a ring. I don't mean "eventually" I mean the same year of rebuilding or the following year.

Let's take the Lakers for example:

If the Lakers won 20 games this year, it would be a failure because they'd miss the lottery picks and the playoffs. If they won 55 games they'd be in the playoffs most likely and could make a decent run but probably not win a ring. So in 3 years, if the Lakers with their lottery picks and newly acquired free agents make a splash by winning 55 games and lose in the Finals, it's a failure because they could have hit the lottery and got a wild card in a college or HS player over-hyped as the next Jordan.

So your standard leaves your own team no room at all, none. Still, those here calling for the tank as if it's going to go from lottery to ring without ever crossing over a playoff loss are in your court, and you should address it if you feel that way.

Everyone else understands that its a process and recognize the growth as a good thing instead of some fronting some pretentious unreachable standard.

[DMC]

I am the standard bearer. The only difference is now I can't get there and you still can, so, you want to change the standard. No. It's one standard. Champion. My ruination is not your freedom. No.

No you aren't. You get held to the things you claim to believe, but it has no bearing on how the rest of us think. It's amusing you think it does.

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If I granted you that, you'd still be stuck with the notion that anything other than a ring is a failure. That means you cannot rebuild successfully unless you win a ring. I don't mean "eventually" I mean the same year of rebuilding or the following year.

Let's take the Lakers for example:

If the Lakers won 20 games this year, it would be a failure because they'd miss the lottery picks and the playoffs. If they won 55 games they'd be in the playoffs most likely and could make a decent run but probably not win a ring. So in 3 years, if the Lakers with their lottery picks and newly acquired free agents make a splash by winning 55 games and lose in the Finals, it's a failure because they could have hit the lottery and got a wild card in a college or HS player over-hyped as the next Jordan.

So your standard leaves your own team no room at all, none. Still, those here calling for the tank as if it's going to go from lottery to ring without ever crossing over a playoff loss are in your court, and you should address it if you feel that way.

Everyone else understands that its a process and recognize the growth as a good thing instead of some fronting some pretentious unreachable standard.

Because there is none. We cannot get back. We slammed thru every STOP SIGN in a confluence of now historical markers. We're a living reminder of what can happen in what seems like the blink of an eye, but, is now over 5 years old and but for the grace of a "temporary injunction" goes back over a decade to the rape. I've went over this point-by-point many times. You don't get here by accident. Our hand prints are all over this.

Now, just because we're no longer standing there with you doesn't mean the law changes. It does not.

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No you aren't. You get held to the things you claim to believe, but it has no bearing on how the rest of us think. It's amusing you think it does.

That's just because we're piled up against the abutment.

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The Suns have suspended Morris for two games without pay.

P.s., there is no video of this incident.

[DMC]

Because there is none. We cannot get back. We slammed thru every STOP SIGN in a confluence of now historical markers. We're a living reminder of what can happen in what seems like the blink of an eye, but, is now over 5 years old and but for the grace of a "temporary injunction" goes back over a decade to the rape. I've went over this point-by-point many times. You don't get here by accident. Our hand prints are all over this.

Now, just because we're no longer standing there with you doesn't mean the law changes. It does not.

Yet you've been a fan of the team for many years in which they did not win a championship, did not even make the playoffs, and when they've failed to win a game even after making the playoffs. How is this new squad any different? Aren't you just drawing an arbitrary line in the sand and calling everything on yonder side "hopeless" and everything on your side "acceptable"?

It's still basketball.

[JMarkJohns]

McDonough that first year made some incredible moves, and I believe he's drafted very well.

But his signings/resigning shave not gone well.

Thomas was a very bad decision.
Chandler is looking like it.
Tucker was a godawful resign for the money and position.
Neither Knight/Bledsoe have panned out as planned.
Fringe pieces like Weems/ZDragic, etc have just eaten CAP.

But he drafts high upside players. Problem is he's never been able or willing to fully commit to them. Len is as a good a pick as there was from that draft, Warren has a place in this league, likely as a starter, and Booker has All-Star potential when he adds experience and a few years.

Leuer was a daft pickup for a 2nd-rounder, and Goodwin is still one of the youngest players in the League with elite athleticism and Wade-like frame.

But as long as they are in that 7-10 limbo, they aren't going to commit to a rebuild.

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Yet you've been a fan of the team for many years in which they did not win a championship, did not even make the playoffs, and when they've failed to win a game even after making the playoffs. How is this new squad any different? Aren't you just drawing an arbitrary line in the sand and calling everything on yonder side "hopeless" and everything on your side "acceptable"?

It's still basketball.

Because I believe it's a reality (our ruination) & my response to it. I ain't sloughed off the blame. I'm right there and will always take the blame. It has to be acceptable. It's reality. To deny such is senseless.

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Morris is contrite says McDonough at news conference just completed.

[JMarkJohns]

The density of McDonough will be his undoing.

He never should have planned to build around either, let alone both Morrii, then never should have kept one and not the other Morrii, and should now cut his losses with the one and simply will not because his "upside" and "value" is a hard duo to replicate.

Meanwhile, toxicity festers.

[spursistan]

The Suns thought they could pull a Rocket/Morey by staying semi-competitive in that 9-12 seeding purgatory and hope they would notch a star or two down the road..That ship has has sailed..and i don't how understand how these inept organizations don't sell high when they have cancers amidst them..Thinking Hornacek has Phil Jackson pedigree/ability to deal with such headcases :lol..Good luck trying to offload Morris now without surrendering other assets..Zach lowe said teams are now asking for more in potential packages...

[HarlemHeat37]

McDonough that first year made some incredible moves, and I believe he's drafted very well.

But his signings/resigning shave not gone well.

Thomas was a very bad decision.
Chandler is looking like it.
Tucker was a godawful resign for the money and position.
Neither Knight/Bledsoe have panned out as planned.
Fringe pieces like Weems/ZDragic, etc have just eaten CAP.

But he drafts high upside players. Problem is he's never been able or willing to fully commit to them. Len is as a good a pick as there was from that draft, Warren has a place in this league, likely as a starter, and Booker has All-Star potential when he adds experience and a few years.

Leuer was a daft pickup for a 2nd-rounder, and Goodwin is still one of the youngest players in the League with elite athleticism and Wade-like frame.

But as long as they are in that 7-10 limbo, they aren't going to commit to a rebuild.

Ya, that's what I was alluding to earlier..based on the roster construction, it doesn't appear that they understand or have a plan for the current direction of the team..it is strange..

[DMC]

Because I believe it's a reality (our ruination) & my response to it. I ain't sloughed off the blame. I'm right there and will always take the blame. It has to be acceptable. It's reality. To deny such is senseless.

But you've chosen the most convenient time to espouse such beliefs. Where were they in 2008 or 20011? The team was just as shy of a ring as they are now, according to your logic. If you don't see potential in a team, how can you watch any team that isn't going to win a ring this year?

There has to be a gradient, it cannot be bifurcated to such extremes as "success = ring, all else = failure", else less than 5% of the league is successful, ever. That doesn't seem to make any sense. It's a bad business model and even worse fan outlook.

[JMarkJohns]

I honestly believe they had a plan entering that first full season of McD and Hornacek. They drafted two raw, but ideally athletic/framed prospects, acquired a bunch of unknown in Bledsoe, Plumlee, traded all veterans, acquired a bunch of 1sts. Then they had perfect chemistry and outperformed expectations and the idea was that all the main pieces were in place, that if Bledsoe doesn't miss 30+, Dragic doesn't miss 30+, Len plays a whole season, and the Morrii develop, that a piece here or there and they could be a 55+ win team. And it was reasonable as the Suns had a near .700 win percentage in the roughly 35 games Bledsoe and Dragic started in the backcourt. They had three of the top-5 most improved players in the League, and they were adding a young, athletic 7-footer who was rumored to be going #1 overall until Cleveland fucked it all up.

So they added a "backup" PG in Thomas to a value deal, allowed Frye to walk, resigned hustle-bum/fan-favorite/Good Storyline Tucker, and drafted a high upside scorer at SF.

They then proceeded to beat the reigning Champ Spurs on Halloween and then quickly crashes and burned. The clock struck midnight on pumpkins Plumlee, Green, and Thomas proceeded to get his and burned bridges. His agent then created a fuss over starting, and then that tidal wave caught Dragic and his agent.

Before long the team was a shadow of its former upside, and with improbably more questions to answer.

So rather than fold, McDonough doubled down and traded for both now and future assets, acquiring Wright and Knight and lots of future 1sts.

Then he went all in, trading the lesser Morrii, setting the table to trade the better Morrii, committed major bucks to Chandler in hopes of luring Aldridge, which seemed to work until fucking Pat Riley, and then watched as it all imploded. Had it not...

PG: Bledsoe, Price
SG: Knight, Booker, Goodwin
SF: Warren, Tucker
PF: Aldridge, Leuer
C: Len, Chandler

Rights to Bogdanovic
Two 1sts in 2016
Six 1sts from 2017-2020

That's not a bad team or plan.

But it failed. Failed badly. They saw their shot, took it, and missed, twice.

Problem isn't in the failing, it's in the wallowing in the failing.

This team will not win with Markieff on the roster.

But he's toxic now. And no return will bring his upside or contract value in return.

And they still have a MAX contract combined twixt Chandler and Tucker for a while.

So, the whole situation sucks.

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But you've chosen the most convenient time to espouse such beliefs. Where were they in 2008 or 20011? The team was just as shy of a ring as they are now, according to your logic. If you don't see potential in a team, how can you watch any team that isn't going to win a ring this year?

There has to be a gradient, it cannot be bifurcated to such extremes as "success = ring, all else = failure", else less than 5% of the league is successful, ever. That doesn't seem to make any sense. It's a bad business model and even worse fan outlook.

You're nuts.

[HarlemHeat37]

I honestly believe they had a plan entering that first full season of McD and Hornacek. They drafted two raw, but ideally athletic/framed prospects, acquired a bunch of unknown in Bledsoe, Plumlee, traded all veterans, acquired a bunch of 1sts. Then they had perfect chemistry and outperformed expectations and the idea was that all the main pieces were in place, that if Bledsoe doesn't miss 30+, Dragic doesn't miss 30+, Len plays a whole season, and the Morrii develop, that a piece here or there and they could be a 55+ win team. And it was reasonable as the Suns had a near .700 win percentage in the roughly 35 games Bledsoe and Dragic started in the backcourt. They had three of the top-5 most improved players in the League, and they were adding a young, athletic 7-footer who was rumored to be going #1 overall until Cleveland fucked it all up.

So they added a "backup" PG in Thomas to a value deal, allowed Frye to walk, resigned hustle-bum/fan-favorite/Good Storyline Tucker, and drafted a high upside scorer at SF.

They then proceeded to beat the reigning Champ Spurs on Halloween and then quickly crashes and burned. The clock struck midnight on pumpkins Plumlee, Green, and Thomas proceeded to get his and burned bridges. His agent then created a fuss over starting, and then that tidal wave caught Dragic and his agent.

Before long the team was a shadow of its former upside, and with improbably more questions to answer.

So rather than fold, McDonough doubled down and traded for both now and future assets, acquiring Wright and Knight and lots of future 1sts.

Then he went all in, trading the lesser Morrii, setting the table to trade the better Morrii, committed major bucks to Chandler in hopes of luring Aldridge, which seemed to work until fucking Pat Riley, and then watched as it all imploded. Had it not...

PG: Bledsoe, Price
SG: Knight, Booker, Goodwin
SF: Warren, Tucker
PF: Aldridge, Leuer
C: Len, Chandler

Rights to Bogdanovic
Two 1sts in 2016
Six 1sts from 2017-2020

That's not a bad team or plan.

But it failed. Failed badly. They saw their shot, took it, and missed, twice.

Problem isn't in the failing, it's in the wallowing in the failing.

This team will not win with Markieff on the roster.

But he's toxic now. And no return will bring his upside or contract value in return.

And they still have a MAX contract combined twixt Chandler and Tucker for a while.

So, the whole situation sucks.

They were discussing this on Bill Simmons's podcast the other day IIRC..he was saying how the Suns did one of the quickest 180s he can remember, where they went from having one of the best outlooks in the NBA(promising players that are still young, the Lakers pick, a bunch of assets, etc) to having toxic/washed-up players and puzzling contacts..

Where would you go from here?

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They were discussing this on Bill Simmons's podcast the other day IIRC..he was saying how the Suns did one of the quickest 180s he can remember, where they went from having one of the best outlooks in the NBA(promising players that are still young, the Lakers pick, a bunch of assets, etc) to having toxic/washed-up players and puzzling contacts..

Where would you go from here?

I'd stay the course & brazen it out. If you're still in the pickle after the 16-17 season then think about starting over.

[illmatic]

Fire Hornacek, trade Markieff, decide you're okay with rebuilding the right way and blow the shit up. The two guard system doesn't work, especially when your two guards can't pass, so either Knight or Bledsoe will need to go, hopefully it's both.

[JMarkJohns]

They were discussing this on Bill Simmons's podcast the other day IIRC..he was saying how the Suns did one of the quickest 180s he can remember, where they went from having one of the best outlooks in the NBA(promising players that are still young, the Lakers pick, a bunch of assets, etc) to having toxic/washed-up players and puzzling contacts..

Where would you go from here?

It's why you can't trust the process. There is no process.

And it wasn't 180, it was 360 degrees. They went from 30 wins to 50 wins to maybe 30 wins in 3 years. And not because they did something horribly wrong. They just didn't do a lot right, or enough right.

Even still, they are in a better place talent and pick wise than they were three years ago.

But they have a lot of iffy contracts now, even if newly CaP friendly, they are still lengthy and iffy because of the players.

I've said for a decade almost, so long as Sarver is running things, better than not they'll be run into the ground.

[SupremeGuy]

Why the hell haven't the Suns traded Markieff? I mean shit, team morale should be more important than getting value for him.

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Why the hell haven't the Suns traded Markieff? I mean shit, team morale should be more important than getting value for him.

Because they just signed him for $32 million on a 4 year contract. They can't get that back. They're going to have to send quality with him and Sarver will not do it. They don't want to look the fool after this...because they know he's gonna rat 'em out.

[JMarkJohns]

Prior to first game this season, with the inflation of salaries, that 4/32 was one of the best bargains in basketball for a non-rookie, longer-term contract.

His mopish play and toxic antics have only recently made it and him look bad, obviously on purpose, because you don't just go from an efficient 15-7 to playing like a post-Monstars Barkley.

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Prior to first game this season, with the inflation of salaries, that 4/32 was one of the best bargains in basketball for a non-rookie, longer-term contract.

His mopish play and toxic antics have only recently made it and him look bad, obviously on purpose, because you don't just go from an efficient 15-7 to playing like a post-Monstars Barkley.

Exactly. It's sabotage, but, they did him & his brother dirt. They got a hard-on for some fuckin' reason, or, perhaps no reason at all and fucked with these two guys knowing they were sensitive & emotional & male twins. They knew exactly what they were doing, but, they went ahead with it anyway. Then when they lash back they act all surprised and reach for the "professional" card. No. Ownership gave up that professional card a long time ago when they started letting players back sass. Too late now to pick & choose who you're going to treat like a man, and who you're going to bend over for. They're bent over fucking everywhere cept in San Antonio.

[JMarkJohns]

They tried to have their cake (Aldridge) and eat it too (Keep Markieff in case no Aldridge).

They should have just traded both same time, same day, and if possible, same team.

Shitty all the way around.

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They tried to have their cake (Aldridge) and eat it too (Keep Markieff in case no Aldridge).

They should have just traded both same time, same day, and if possible, same team.

Shitty all the way around.

JM, there was no way LMA was ever coming to the Suns. That was an accommodation by LMA and his agent and the Suns. It was never going to happen. He was sealed into San Antonio as far back as last season on a verbal.

[illmatic]

JM, there was no way LMA was ever coming to the Suns. That was an accommodation by LMA and his agent and the Suns. It was never going to happen. He was sealed into San Antonio as far back as last season on a verbal.

pretty much.

[JMarkJohns]

JM, there was no way LMA was ever coming to the Suns. That was an accommodation by LMA and his agent and the Suns. It was never going to happen. He was sealed into San Antonio as far back as last season on a verbal.

I'm largely in agreement, only Woj says differently.

Either way, they needed to wholesale commit to a plan and not half ass.

[DMC]

You're nuts.
If it's all or nothing, I am completely accurate.

[DMC]

JM, there was no way LMA was ever coming to the Suns. That was an accommodation by LMA and his agent and the Suns. It was never going to happen. He was sealed into San Antonio as far back as last season on a verbal.

"a verbal"

lol.. no