Boban >>> Tiago

[urunobili]

Don't remember Tiago ever having this energizing effect on both the crowd and his teammates
Don't remember Tiago on his first year dominate with size
Boban FTW TBH

[tholdren]

LOL no shit. but but but tiago can switch on the PNR ... jesus I hated those gay ass replies.

[cjw]

If Boban's D were anything close to Splitter's this would be a relevant discussion. Splitter was also one of the best PNR guys in the league. Just sucked he couldn't stay healthy.

[BatManu20]

By a mile offensively. On defense, however...

[tholdren]

If Boban's D were anything close to Splitter's this would be a relevant discussion. Splitter was also one of the best PNR guys in the league. Just sucked he couldn't stay healthy.
LOL you're a douche - quick state something about pick and pop

[urunobili]

By a mile offensively. On defense, however...

Not sure sure bud. Tiago's Defensive rating per 36 min on his rookie year vs. Boban's? I don't have the number but the eye test is there IMHO

[100%duncan]

Call me when he's critical of us winning the ship.






I hope you can call me in june.

[tholdren]

Call me when he's critical of us winning the ship.


Tiago didnt play 10 mpg in the finals = not critical



I hope you can call me in june.

[dabom]

Not sure sure bud. Tiago's Defensive rating per 36 min on his rookie year vs. Boban's? I don't have the number but the eye test is there IMHO

Whatever they said about him, he is playing great defense by eye test.

[Arcadian]

Yep

[Kool Bob Love]

Tiago 1

Boban 0

lettuce proceed.

[cjw]

Rookie to rookie comparison is obviously different. I was comparing him to what Splitter became ... both did enter league in mid/late-20s.

Boban's D is improved, but long way to go. Offensively he's a beast that should be unleashed against second units.

[tholdren]

Tiago 1

Boban 0

lettuce proceed.
then bonner is better than tiago

[slick'81]

then bonner is better than tiago


People will contine to overrate tiago because he started.peeps on here think hes the best defensive center and pick n roll big in the league

[tholdren]

People will contine to overrate tiago because he started.peeps on here think hes the best defensive center and pick n roll big in the league
funny how they use the eye test to rate players who don't have good stats, but then discredit the eye test for players with good stats. Spurstalk homers are the best... TBH

[urunobili]

Boban's endurance and playoffs performance is yet to be seen and will be the ultimate measuring stick but again... That eye test...

[TheGreatYacht]

I don't know, but one thing I do know....

Boban >>> Towns >> Okafor >> Cady Lalane >>> Julian Randle

[Kool Bob Love]

then bonner is better than tiago

Lettuce proceed.

[Kool Bob Love]

I don't know, but one thing I do know....

Boban >>> Towns >> Okafor >> Cady Lalane >>> Julian Randle

Lakers.:lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

Lakers.:lmao
Scouted as the next Barkley but instead got Brandon Bass Lite.... With Brandon Bass on the same roster :lmao

[midnightpulp]

Too bad this still wasn't the grit-and-grind era, it would be GG NBA with the size and skill the Spurs have across the board on the frontline. Love Boban, but his minutes will be specialized per the matchup. Unfortunately, he'll probably be useless against Golden State, OKC and the Clippers. They'll switch him to death.

[Spurs9]

This dude is one of my favorite spurs ever tbh

[DMC]

Boban has more upside than Splitter because he can shoot from outside and finish in the paint. He's taller, more athletic and moves better without the ball I think. Tiago is craftier, sneaky under the rim and good at boxing out and defending the PnR.

[Vokun]

Scouted as the next Barkley but instead got Brandon Bass Lite.... With Brandon Bass on the same roster :lmao

Damn bruh. You ain't gotta nuke em like that :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

Damn bruh. You ain't gotta nuke em like that :lmao
Change your avi and I won't bruh :(

[Kawhitstorm]

If Boban's D were anything close to Splitter's this would be a relevant discussion. Splitter was also one of the best PNR guys in the league. Just sucked he couldn't stay healthy.

Boban's actual value is better than Shitter's actual value, projected value doesn't mean shyt if you stay in the training room.

[Vokun]

Change your avi and I won't bruh :(

:nope

[Silver&Black]

This dude is one of my favorite spurs ever tbh

:tu

[bic50]

Yup

[cjw]

The choice wasn't between Splitter and Boban. It was between Splitter and Boban/Aldridge.

[cutewizard]

Boban is now my favorite player

Bobanizedddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd dddddddddddddddddd

[cutewizard]

Boban is the best player on earth, better than the reptilians shit

[cutewizard]

Boban will eat queen elizabeth alive in a human versus reptilian match hahahahahahahahahaha

[cutewizard]

fuck queen elizabeth the reptilian

[cutewizard]

fuck bergoglio the servant of satan

[MarCowMar]

Tiago was great at PnR defense and rolling to the basket, but he was a timid finisher, injured frequently, and didn't intimidate anyone but small guards.

Boban is literally scaring the bigs on the other team. They don't know what to do with him. He's tossing them around like a kid brother. He's an outstanding finisher. Great on the glass. Swift passer. A bit clunky on D in some situations but a solid shot blocker.

We talk about whether he's better than West? IMO it's clear he's better than West. West is an average PF in the league.

I'm curious if Boban is better than Aldridge. I don't say that to slam Aldridge either. Boban is just that impressive.

[cutewizard]

Boban is better than Aldridge?

Hahahahaha

years ago, in the peak of LMA who would have thought that he is now compared to Bobannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

[AFMadison]

I agree.

[cutewizard]

I want Boban to scare the shit out of the fucking pope hahahahahaha

Boban >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bergoglio and the whole jesuit shit

[lilbthebasedgod]

I'm curious if Boban is better than Aldridge. I don't say that to slam Aldridge either. Boban is just that impressive.
No.

[lilbthebasedgod]

I'd say he might be, but idk. I could see a boburnout happening over time. He can't stay like this forever and making every shot.

Theres gotta be a reason he isn't playing as much as tiago was his first year.

[timtonymanu]

Both are better than Aldridge's soft ass play at the moment.

[jag]

Tiago rarely played with confidence. When he did he was an animal. People forget how good he was in the playoff run vs the Mavs and Blazers. There were a couple games where he was the Spurs best player on both ends of the court. He just wasn't durable or mentally tough enough.

Boban looks great, but we'll need to see him against top competition.

[urunobili]

Tiago rarely played with confidence. When he did he was an animal. People forget how good he was in the playoff run vs the Mavs and Blazers. There were a couple games where he was the Spurs best player on both ends of the court. He just wasn't durable or mentally tough enough.

Boban looks great, but we'll need to see him against top competition.
Tiago reached that level after 3 seasons with the Spurs.... We'll see how Boban's is doing after a similar stretch with more corporate knowledge

[timtonymanu]

Tiago rarely played with confidence. When he did he was an animal. People forget how good he was in the playoff run vs the Mavs and Blazers. There were a couple games where he was the Spurs best player on both ends of the court. He just wasn't durable or mentally tough enough.

Boban looks great, but we'll need to see him against top competition.

:tu

Dumbasses that don't recognize how crucial Splitter was in 2014 don't deserve to breath, tbh.

[AFMadison]

Tiago 1

Boban 0

lettuce proceed.
http://friendlybounce.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2015/11/Screen-Shot-2015-11-07-at-10.21.40-PM.png

[spurtech09]

Boban All-Star material....

[Kawhitstorm]

The choice wasn't between Splitter and Boban. It was between Splitter and Boban/Aldridge.

Basically, LMA replaced Shitter & Boban replaced Baynes. We all have to agree that they both have been upgrades.:toast

[bic50]

Basically, LMA replaced Shitter & Boban replaced Baynes. We all have to agree that they both have been upgrades.:toast

Yes

[Mr Bones]

The choice wasn't between Splitter and Boban. It was between Splitter and Boban/Aldridge.


Exactly. No amount of hand-wringing or spin will change the fact that RC & Pop did a great job in the off season, or that the Spurs are 27-6.

[Kawhitstorm]

Tiago reached that level after 3 seasons with the Spurs.... We'll see how Boban's is doing after a similar stretch with more corporate knowledge

Boban could put up Nikola Peković type numbers if he was playing for a lotto team, tbh.

[Mr Bones]

Boban is literally scaring the bigs on the other team. They don't know what to do with him. He's tossing them around like a kid brother.

Gorgui Dieng is a good sized center, but I kept getting confused about who he was because he looked like a small forward next to Boban. My gut reaction was, "Oh, look, they switched and Boban has a little guy on him!"

[Splits]

Gorgui Dieng is a good sized center, but I kept getting confused about who he was because he looked like a small forward next to Boban. My gut reaction was, "Oh, look, they switched and Boban has a little guy on him!"


:lol my brother, who follows the NBA fairly closely, was like, "Is that Luol"?

[Obstructed_View]

By a mile offensively. On defense, however...

I disagree. He has length to recover, he's surprisingly quick for a guy his size, and he's very smart. He could give Danny Green a lesson about how to challenge shots on the perimeter without getting out of position.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Boban has his limitations on defense if he gets too far from the basket. Right at the basket, though, he's a menacing wall of doom. Gorgui Dieng would have scored on Shitter on that 2nd quarter play instead of being forced into a losing jump ball.

[DJR210]

:worthy: Boban

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Lettuce proceed.

so, Melvin Ely = Kawhi?

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

Basically, LMA replaced Shitter & Boban replaced Baynes. We all have to agree that they both have been upgrades.:toast

[ceperez]

Both are better than Aldridge's soft ass play at the moment.

Agree. Why compare with another player that's not on the team anymore.

[cutewizard]

Bobans potential greater than Yao Mings

[Mnky]

Scouted as the next Barkley but instead got Brandon Bass Lite.... With Brandon Bass on the same roster :lmao

Ouch. :lol

[ceperez]

Tiago was great at PnR defense and rolling to the basket, but he was a timid finisher, injured frequently, and didn't intimidate anyone but small guards.

Boban is literally scaring the bigs on the other team. They don't know what to do with him. He's tossing them around like a kid brother. He's an outstanding finisher. Great on the glass. Swift passer. A bit clunky on D in some situations but a solid shot blocker.

We talk about whether he's better than West? IMO it's clear he's better than West. West is an average PF in the league.

I'm curious if Boban is better than Aldridge. I don't say that to slam Aldridge either. Boban is just that impressive.

Lately, Aldridge soft play hasn't been winning any fans.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Aldridge feeds off Tim Duncan. When TD is out and we're not playing the Sixers, LMA is ineffective

[MarCowMar]

I don't think Aldridge has been playing soft or any of that crap. He's in the same situation Bosh was in Miami--having to adjust from being a borderline lottery centerpiece to a member of a championship team.

I think Boban is a Yao Ming caliber and style of player. More of a stout tree big than a lanky big. Demands a double team. Great shooter.

The announcers act like the fans are mocking Boban when he comes in, but we simply recognize he's a special talent that forces everyone on the floor to adjust and account. Until teams find a way to counter him he'll continue to be one of the most exciting aspects of Spurs games.

[urunobili]

ElNono not commenting not to start an Argentina vs. Brazil controversy? Brazil Spin this shit

:stirpot:

[ElNono]

:lol Love Boban, you just can't teach that kind of size. But he will need at least a season to earn respect from the refs, etc.

He clearly has much more upside than Tiago, who was solid, but limited.

[spursistan]

RC Buford has that executive of the year award locked up, tbh..i don't know anybody else who is even close..not even Curry MVP is that sure..

[ceperez]

I don't think Aldridge has been playing soft or any of that crap. He's in the same situation Bosh was in Miami--having to adjust from being a borderline lottery centerpiece to a member of a championship team.


Then how come David West has made the adjustments and Aldridge can't?

[daslicer]

He's definitely exceeded my expectations which was for him to be at least as good as Baynes. Even though Splitter was injury prone he was effective for the spurs from 2011-2014. The Spurs had 3 deep playoff runs with Splitter being a major part of the cog. I won't stay Boban is better then '11-'14 Splitter yet.

[steeledl]

http://friendlybounce.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2015/11/Screen-Shot-2015-11-07-at-10.21.40-PM.png


:lmao

[steeledl]

He looks better than I thought he would by a country mile but I still doubt his skill set against the elite teams we have to go through. We will see what pop thinks and if his size can negate some of he disadvantages a small lineup will cause him.

[ceperez]

He looks better than I thought he would by a country mile but I still doubt his skill set against the elite teams we have to go through. We will see what pop thinks and if his size can negate some of he disadvantages a small lineup will cause him.

Gorgui Dieng is a 6'11" athletic center. He was been pushed around like a rag doll by Boban. In one play, Boban just ripped the ball from his hands and slam dunked the ball.

Too bad I have not seen Boban play against Andre Jordan or Dwight Howard. Also, looking forward to see how D.Green at 6'7" will play against him.

He made life miserable against Gortat (last week's Eastern Conference player of the week).

[hater]

If Boban's D were anything close to Splitter's this would be a relevant discussion. Splitter was also one of the best PNR guys in the league. Just sucked he couldn't stay healthy.

/thread


Silly rookies

[Kool Bob Love]

so, Melvin Ely = Kawhi?

Lettuce proceed.

[Brazil]

ElNono (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8054) not commenting not to start an Argentina vs. Brazil controversy? Brazil (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14466) Spin this shit

:stirpot:

:lol what controversy is up to start tbh ?

[dabom]

Whatever they said about him, he is playing great defense by eye test.

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2016/1/7/10734126/boban-marjanovic-defense-elite-offense-nba-san-antonio-spurs

.in only 16 games Boban is one of only 7 Spurs (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/san-antonio-spurs) to have defended at least 10 possessions versus the "roll man" which is a much higher frequency than the others while his .73 ppp is better than 81% of the league while the 30% eFG trails only Kawhi's 29.2% on the Spurs for players having defended at least 10 possessions. When it comes to defending the ball handler on the P&R, he is the only one of the 15 Spurs that has yet to register having defended at least one possession. While what has mostly been said about him could mean that he is so slow recovering that he can't get within the distance required to qualify as having defended it, my guess would be that there is not a ball handler that has felt safe taking a shot against him.
His stats defending against postups is similarly excellent. The .67 ppp is better than 82.5% of the league, and the .30 eFG is the lowest for any of the Spurs bigs on defense. Defending versus "Isolation" plays has me wondering if the high frequency is due to players trying to attack him or that he just covers enough ground to get to more, though the 14.3% eFG against him suggests the latter.

[dabom]

I wonder what K... thinks about this.

[K...]

I wonder what K... thinks about this.

I like both players.

[cutewizard]

bobannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn rules

[SAGirl]

I'd say he might be, but idk. I could see a boburnout happening over time. He can't stay like this forever and making every shot.

Theres gotta be a reason he isn't playing as much as tiago was his first year.
There was more of a need for Tiago and worse bigs ahead of him in the rotation?

[Cklbmk]

Ya I mean..

Tiago was our 2nd/3rd big last year.

He would be our 6th big this year.

Upgrade.

[Nathan89]

Ya I mean..

Tiago was our 2nd/3rd big last year.

He would be our 6th big this year.

Upgrade.

If Tiago is healthy he would be our 4th big.

[dabom]

If tiago was healthy. Fucking oxymoron. :lmao

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I like Tiago, but his inability to stay healthy really hurt the Spurs, especially last year. We couldn't build momentum at any point, Tim played too many minutes, and we were weakened for the post season. A lot of that had to do with Tiago's recurring injuries. Getting him to ATL was a good move considering what we replaced him with..."with" being LMA and West.

That being said, Boban doesn't have a long enough history with the Spurs to say he's better than Tiago. At least he hasn't hurt us I suppose.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Boban is much bigger, 4 inches in height and near a foot in arm length, than Tiago. He is the best rim defender not named Duncan since possibly Robinson just by virtue of putting those ginormous wings in the air. The competition is like Elson, Nazr, Rasho, Bonner, Baynes and company so I'm not sure that is hyperbole.

Boban can bend his hips and knees and slide his feel remarkably well for a man his size. I don't want him chasing Curry out on the perimeter but he can hedge better than he gets credit even if he is not as fleet as Tiago. He has a good sense of how much air space he takes up and spaces himself well. John Wall getting isoed on him and passing it off after sizing Boban up was meaningful to me.

We have Lamarcus Aldridge, West, and Bobo to hedge on pnr up top and play small ball 5. If you want to play big boy basketball then a mobile giant is a good thing to have.

I think he's at least as athletic as fatboy Gasol and with his jumper and passing skills his ceiling is similar. He is savvy enough to run offense through him from the high and low post.

I have enjoyed watching him get used to the rules with how the ball comes off the rim. He is still tentative and overaggressive at times but it looks like he will zero in eventually. His picks are still a work in progress but that is sure to come. He doesn't look lost like Baynes did this early and it's more an issue of angles of approach and timing.

He's a damn fine C prospect in the weakest big man era since Mikan ran the court.