How do we retain Boban

[Cklbmk]

We have 5mil cap space if everyone opts in and we let McCallum, Bonner, and Butler walk.


Boban is going to get more than 5mil I assume. Do we try to clear space for him?



Does West come back if Boban keeps playing like this? Is he ok with being 5th big?



Would Tim and Manu opt out and take the minimum? Then they could spend like 12 mil

[Uriel]

Boban is not going to get more than $5M.

[Spurs9]

Well the good news is the cap is going up next year.

[Mel_13]

He's going to be a restricted free agent covered by the Gilbert Arenas provision. Cap space won't be an issue.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

We have 5mil cap space if everyone opts in and we let McCallum, Bonner, and Butler walk.


Boban is going to get more than 5mil I assume. Do we try to clear space for him?



Does West come back if Boban keeps playing like this? Is he ok with being 5th big?



Would Tim and Manu opt out and take the minimum? Then they could spend like 12 mil

Dude, the Spurs will have the Full MLE to throw at Boban and its going to be over 7mil for next season as its based on the % of the Salary Cap (projected to go up to 85-90 mil next year. Spurs can resign Bonner and Butler for the Vet min no matter if there over the cap. With Boban, West (PO more than likely opting out), Bonner, Butler, Ray all coming off the books, the Spurs will be just a tad under 80mil. Let's say the cap is 87mil next year. Spurs can use the 7+ to split between West and Ray, upping their salaries. Bonner and Butler, if they return, will be signed for the Vet Min. Spurs will have the Full MLE to sign Boban, which should be over 7mil a year.

Spurs have more than enough to retain the entire next season. Spurs will more than likely use their MLE to retain Boban. West and Duncan aren't going to be playing forever.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

He's going to be a restricted free agent covered by the Gilbert Arenas provision. Cap space won't be an issue.

Forgot about that. Spurs won't even need to use the MLE to retain Boban as they can match any offer and its the same as resigning your own player. So the Spurs will have the MLE to sign another player.

Spurs are in a really good position for next year's FA.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

If they want him back they'll likely have him back.

[Kawhitstorm]

By feeding him Buffalos like Homer when he played Paul Bunyan.

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[cd021]

Forgot about that. Spurs won't even need to use the MLE to retain Boban as they can match any offer and its the same as resigning your own player. So the Spurs will have the MLE to sign another player.

Spurs are in a really good position for next year's FA.

Not sure the spurs will be over the cap next year. If West, Duncan, and Manu all opt in and return + McCullum and Simmons+ Bobans QAs or team options get picked up, then they have about $88.155 million in salary. The cap could easily hit $90 million

[Mel_13]

Not sure the spurs will be over the cap next year. If West, Duncan, and Manu all opt in and return + McCullum and Simmons+ Bobans QAs or team options get picked up, then they have about $88.155 million in salary. The cap could easily hit $90 million

In your scenario, the Spurs would use the MLE.

[daslicer]

Not concerned about Boban leaving since the spurs can match and he's restricted. If he continues to improve at the rate he's going I'm sure the Spurs will keep him but lets wait and see how this year ends before we speculate on Boban's value.

[ceperez]

Not sure the spurs will be over the cap next year. If West, Duncan, and Manu all opt in and return + McCullum and Simmons+ Bobans QAs or team options get picked up, then they have about $88.155 million in salary. The cap could easily hit $90 million

I think it will fit, McCallum gets waived and in that 88m figure you have Boban's $1.5m salary. So its like $85m and Boban worse case would be MLE rate.

[cutewizard]

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[cutewizard]

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[Richie]

Boban is good but I'm not sure I'd want to pay him the full MLE. He's a situational player who will only contribute in the playoffs against a small number of teams, and even then in very limited minutes.

[cd98]

Guys that big always breakdown fast in the NBA. Yao, Mureson, etc. I get that the undersized bigs can't guard him down low, but between the high likelihood of broken feet etc from being that big and the fact that if he played regular minutes then coaches would game plan for him and expose his weaknesses, I don't see the Spurs or anyone over paying for him.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Forgot about that. Spurs won't even need to use the MLE to retain Boban as they can match any offer and its the same as resigning your own player. So the Spurs will have the MLE to sign another player.

Spurs are in a really good position for next year's FA.

We keep getting lucky. It's almost like the front office took some of these things into consideration when signing everyone this year.

[cd021]

Guys that big always breakdown fast in the NBA. Yao, Mureson, etc. I get that the undersized bigs can't guard him down low, but between the high likelihood of broken feet etc from being that big and the fact that if he played regular minutes then coaches would game plan for him and expose his weaknesses, I don't see the Spurs or anyone over paying for him.
Eaton was taller and had a very good career.

[EVAY]

money.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Eaton was taller and had a very good career.

Played until he was like 36 years old. Boban is the offensive version of Eaton.

[Dingle Barry]

Shawn Bradley played 14 seasons at 7'6"

[cjw]

Guys that big always breakdown fast in the NBA. Yao, Mureson, etc. I get that the undersized bigs can't guard him down low, but between the high likelihood of broken feet etc from being that big and the fact that if he played regular minutes then coaches would game plan for him and expose his weaknesses, I don't see the Spurs or anyone over paying for him.

I looked at this in another thread: http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=255475&p=8332114#post8332114

Lots of track record of 7'3"+ guys with injury issues - also Ralph Sampson. But there is a good set of guys who played to their mid-to-late 30s and stayed relatively healthy. Sabonis, Ilgauskas, Eaton, Smits.



Shawn Bradley played 14 seasons at 7'6"

He had a long career despite being a complete stiff. 12 seasons - double counting the two he got traded midyear.

That said, he was kaput by the time he was 28 with the exception of one resurgent year in Dallas (Spurs' 2003 title year).

[GSH]

Forgot about that. Spurs won't even need to use the MLE to retain Boban as they can match any offer and its the same as resigning your own player. So the Spurs will have the MLE to sign another player.

Spurs are in a really good position for next year's FA.


On the Arenas provision, I think they either have to use the MLE if they still have it, or use Early Bird. Early Bird requires a player to have been in the league two years, and Boban will only have one. So I think the Spurs would have to use their MLE to exceed the cap. I'm sure someone will correct me, if that's wrong, but that's the way I remember it.


For the record, the best way to retain Boban would be a large chain-link octagon. :D

[Mr Bones]

He had a long career despite being a complete stiff. 12 seasons - double counting the two he got traded midyear.

That said, he was kaput by the time he was 28 with the exception of one resurgent year in Dallas (Spurs' 2003 title year).


He really wasn't a bad player, but the expectations were too high. He wasn't going to be the centerpiece of a franchise, but as a back up center he was pretty effective. In his best year as a key reserve he had an ORtg of 121 and a DRtg of 96...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bradlsh01.html

[Mr Bones]

I pretty sure some team will offer $5mil for Boban... a $5mil contract in 2017 will be significantly less than the MLE... it'll be considered standard pay for a back up who can play 12-18 mpg.

[Mel_13]

On the Arenas provision, I think they either have to use the MLE if they still have it, or use Early Bird. Early Bird requires a player to have been in the league two years, and Boban will only have one. So I think the Spurs would have to use their MLE to exceed the cap. I'm sure someone will correct me, if that's wrong, but that's the way I remember it.


For the record, the best way to retain Boban would be a large chain-link octagon. :D

You remember correctly:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q45

[GSH]

He really wasn't a bad player, but the expectations were too high. He wasn't going to be the centerpiece of a franchise, but as a back up center he was pretty effective. In his best year as a key reserve he had an ORtg of 121 and a DRtg of 96...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bradlsh01.html

I think that says it pretty well. He had a place in the league, but not as the dominating force some people expected him to be, because of his height.

I remember Nellie putting three 7-footers on the floor at the same time. I used to remember who the other two were, but one of them was Bradley. Seems like the fourth player was about 6'8". It was one of the oddest things I've ever seen on a court.

[Chinook]

Dude, the Spurs will have the Full MLE to throw at Boban and its going to be over 7mil for next season as its based on the % of the Salary Cap (projected to go up to 85-90 mil next year. Spurs can resign Bonner and Butler for the Vet min no matter if there over the cap. With Boban, West (PO more than likely opting out), Bonner, Butler, Ray all coming off the books, the Spurs will be just a tad under 80mil. Let's say the cap is 87mil next year. Spurs can use the 7+ to split between West and Ray, upping their salaries. Bonner and Butler, if they return, will be signed for the Vet Min. Spurs will have the Full MLE to sign Boban, which should be over 7mil a year.

Spurs have more than enough to retain the entire next season. Spurs will more than likely use their MLE to retain Boban. West and Duncan aren't going to be playing forever.

MLE is about $5.5 Million. It's not based on the average salary anymore and hasn't been for a few years.

Again, the Spurs will have absolutely no issue keeping Boban if they want to do so. I hope these threads won't keep popping up during the season, as this has been asked and answered, and it's not remotely dependent on his level of play going forward. Even at his crazy level of per-minute production, I expect him to make in $7M/2 on his next deal, or at the most, I could see him making $9 Million, as the Spurs will likely want to hold on to enough space to sign Bertans, Lalanne and/or other young non-first-rounders to multi-year deals and will need the MLE to do that in all likelihood.

[ElNono]

Chain him to the AT&T Center, IMO

[spurraider21]

you retain boban by getting him to sign on the line that is dotted

[spurraider21]

Chain him to the AT&T Center, IMO
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[GSH]

Even at his crazy level of per-minute production, I expect him to make in $7M/2 on his next deal, or at the most, I could see him making $9 Million,.


That's the number that I keep coming back to - $7M/2. But I remember Gortat playing a couple of uneventful seasons. Something like 12 minutes and maybe 4 points/4 boards. And he got around $6M per in his next contract, and that was 5-6 years ago. This league is starving for legit big men. If Boban keeps playing like this, and getting more minutes, it's possible that someone could offer him the full non-tax MLE, and the Spurs would have to match to keep him.

Baynes got, what?... $6.5M? If Boban plays well enough to get that kind of interest, I guess the Spurs will want him enough to give up the MLE for him. We've seen some good minutes from Boban. If he can sustain it (and I don't see why he can't), the Arenas provision will be our best friend.

[cjw]

He really wasn't a bad player, but the expectations were too high. He wasn't going to be the centerpiece of a franchise, but as a back up center he was pretty effective. In his best year as a key reserve he had an ORtg of 121 and a DRtg of 96...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bradlsh01.html

Performance being relative to the two guys who were picked above and below him (Webber and Penny). Similar, though on a different level, than 9 years earlier with Dream-Bowie-MJ.

But you're right - had a pretty decent career.

[ElNono]

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:lol

[spurs10]

He's going to be a restricted free agent covered by the Gilbert Arenas provision. Cap space won't be an issue. Thanks Mel...your understanding of how that works is good to know.

[Chinook]

That's the number that I keep coming back to - $7M/2. But I remember Gortat playing a couple of uneventful seasons. Something like 12 minutes and maybe 4 points/4 boards. And he got around $6M per in his next contract, and that was 5-6 years ago. This league is starving for legit big men. If Boban keeps playing like this, and getting more minutes, it's possible that someone could offer him the full non-tax MLE, and the Spurs would have to match to keep him.

Baynes got, what?... $6.5M? If Boban plays well enough to get that kind of interest, I guess the Spurs will want him enough to give up the MLE for him. We've seen some good minutes from Boban. If he can sustain it (and I don't see why he can't), the Arenas provision will be our best friend.

The most important thing to note is that the only thing that matters is what Boban wants to do. Team's can only offer him offer sheets; they don't force the Spurs to do anything unless Boban signs them. It wouldn't surprise me to see the Spurs have him locked up on 7/1. And he's shown that he isn't going to just jump at the highest offer anyway. I think a decent contract and a defined role makes Boban not even look at other teams.

At the same time, I do have to concede that teams may be more willing to give Boban a high offer sheet next summer than they would normally be, because so many teams will have more cap space than they know what to do with, and they probably wouldn't mind tying up $6 Million or so for three days. Obviously, so teams wouldn't be able to do this, but I could totally see Dallas trying it.

[cd021]

Shawn Bradley played 14 seasons at 7'6"
Never mention "Dunk Receptacle" Bradley as a positive example.

[Spurtacular]

Dunno why the Spurs signed him to only one year, tbh.

[GSH]

Dunno why the Spurs signed him to only one year, tbh.

Seriously? Why did 59 teams pass on Isaiah Thomas? Their crystal balls were broken.

[Spurtacular]

Seriously? Why did 59 teams pass on Isaiah Thomas? Their crystal balls were broken.

Well, IT is over-rated, anyhow. And it was pretty clear that Boban was a beast. Their were concerns about him being slow; but his progress doesn't come as a surprise either.

[Mel_13]

Dunno why the Spurs signed him to only one year, tbh.

Pretty sure that was the only way to get him at 1.2M per year. Reports were that he had much more lucrative offers, but wanted to transition to the NBA with the Spurs. The cheap, one year deal works for both sides. The Spurs have the right to match and Boban will get a richer deal in a summer that the Spurs aren't hoarding cap space.

[GSH]

Pretty sure that was the only way to get him at 1.2M per year. Reports were that he had much more lucrative offers, but wanted to transition to the NBA with the Spurs. The cheap, one year deal works for both sides. The Spurs have the right to match and Boban will get a richer deal in a summer that the Spurs aren't hoarding cap space.


And THAT is why I come here. That right there. Makes perfect sense. There's a lot to be said for coming to the league and playing for Pop, and with this group of players. I know I was glad when I read that they had signed him, but shocked when I saw the price.

[Emperor]

Let's just hope his wife is enjoying SA. That is the key.

[Spurtacular]

Pretty sure that was the only way to get him at 1.2M per year. Reports were that he had much more lucrative offers, but wanted to transition to the NBA with the Spurs. The cheap, one year deal works for both sides. The Spurs have the right to match and Boban will get a richer deal in a summer that the Spurs aren't hoarding cap space.

That would make sense. I just never heard any reports to that effect at the time.

[Kawhitstorm]

Sell high before he get exposed like Hibbert:lol

[r0drig0lac]

Let's just hope his wife is enjoying SA. That is the key.

Parker can help about it