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TDfan2007
01-06-2016, 01:17 PM
He was money on that shot from 2011-2014, but the last 2 years it's gotten worse and worse to the point where he isn't even close on most of those shots now. Could it be the knee, his confidence? It's just strange, because his FT% is still relatively solid.

Along with Danny's slump, Timmy's inability to hit anything from the outside is another area of concern imo. If teams don't respect his shooting, the high-low with LMA becomes much less potent. We've already seen teams, notably the Rockets, sag off on Timmy to deny the high-low and dare him to shoot. His struggles also give Tony less room to operate when running the pick and pop.

I won't even mention the bank shot, since that shot died years ago... :(

apalisoc_9
01-06-2016, 01:18 PM
No Legs!!!!!

houston spurs fan
01-06-2016, 01:41 PM
I think it's just the confidence and making the change to LMA being the primary post option. Tim seems to think more than usual out there (which affects his shot when he does shoot) and looks to pass unlike him playing with Tiago the last 3 years. Let's see how he does tonight with LMA out. Could be the knee but he doesn't really need to elevate for the mid-range shot and it's pretty flat anyways. His FT percentage has remained up...

Nathan89
01-06-2016, 02:43 PM
Yep, the Rockets really took away the high-low with Duncan's man just sagging all the way back. Surprised I haven't seen this mentioned more on the forum. Not sure the placement of other players but if his man is sagging off then a hand-off screen to Kawhi should result in some open jumpers.

Overall though come playoff time I expect Duncan to get the ball in center of the paint more often. His floaters in the paint have been gold this year.

Mikeanaro
01-06-2016, 02:44 PM
He is evolving according to his aging body, thats what happened.

Kawhitstorm
01-06-2016, 03:41 PM
No Legs!!!!!

His misses were long in his 1st game back against the Rocket so it's just not his legs. He used work from the inside-out so it's most likely that he also has no rhythm & is shooting them cold. His bank shot disappeared once his knee started bother him so it's probably a balance issue.

pgardn
01-06-2016, 05:08 PM
This year he is not really taking it.

LMA.

look_at_g_shred
01-06-2016, 05:09 PM
The last time he was consistent with that J was the 2012-2013 season. This isn't even an issue anymore tbh.. LMA's J needs to be consistent and it hasn't been.

SpursFan86
01-06-2016, 05:16 PM
Duncan last year shot 35.6% from 16-23 feet (14% of his attempts). This year he's shooting 25.6% from that same range (18% of his attempts).

TD 21
01-06-2016, 05:29 PM
Even though it's not noticeable to the naked eye, it's got to be either less elevation, greater difficulty bending his knees or a combination of both.

Whatever the reason, it's not nearly as important as it was the past few seasons, when he had to play a lot as the nominal power forward on offense.

313
01-06-2016, 05:32 PM
He was money on that shot from 2011-2014, but the last 2 years it's gotten worse and worse to the point where he isn't even close on most of those shots now. Could it be the knee, his confidence? It's just strange, because his FT% is still relatively solid.

Along with Danny's slump, Timmy's inability to hit anything from the outside is another area of concern imo. If teams don't respect his shooting, the high-low with LMA becomes much less potent. We've already seen teams, notably the Rockets, sag off on Timmy to deny the high-low and dare him to shoot. His struggles also give Tony less room to operate when running the pick and pop.

I won't even mention the bank shot, since that shot died years ago... :(
Why not switch the high low then? They can't say off LMA

313
01-06-2016, 05:34 PM
He hasn't had that shot since 2012. It started declining in 2013.

Mnky
01-06-2016, 08:31 PM
He hasn't had that shot since 2012. It started declining in 2013.

apalisoc_9
01-06-2016, 08:33 PM
His misses were long in his 1st game back against the Rocket so it's just not his legs. He used work from the inside-out so it's most likely that he also has no rhythm & is shooting them cold. His bank shot disappeared once his knee started bother him so it's probably a balance issue.

Its long misses because he uses his hands and shoulder strength more now...not having legs = poor balance.

Russ
01-06-2016, 08:46 PM
Duncan is cruising.

He's the maestro whose orchestra is mastering Mozart without his having to supply the rage.

He's laying in the weeds.

He wants a ring but he knows it can't be won. Yet.

AFMadison
01-06-2016, 09:45 PM
No Legs!!!!!
When has he ever had legs?
Anyone remember when Timmy found his arms?

Arcadian
01-06-2016, 09:52 PM
That WOULD be a concern if this team didn't also have Lamarcus Aldridge, David West, and Boris Diaw, but...it does.

Tully365
01-06-2016, 10:32 PM
Damn-- Timmy with 18/8/6 in 25 minutes.

If he plays 35 minutes, he probably gets a triple double.

007nites
01-07-2016, 12:21 AM
Damn-- Timmy with 18/8/6 in 25 minutes.

If he plays 35 minutes, he probably gets a triple double.

26/12/10

Kawhitstorm
01-07-2016, 12:36 AM
Damn-- Timmy with 18/8/6 in 25 minutes.

If he plays 35 minutes, he probably gets a triple double.

He also made a mid-range shot to quite the haters:toast

Kawhitstorm
01-07-2016, 12:36 AM
26/12/10

Stat padding Draymond would have played in the 4th quarter.:lol

timtonymanu
01-07-2016, 12:40 AM
Damn-- Timmy with 18/8/6 in 25 minutes.

If he plays 35 minutes, he probably gets a triple double.

Still getting it done.

100%duncan
01-07-2016, 12:42 AM
Why not switch the high low then? They can't say off LMA

He's not that good a passer.

8FOR!3
01-07-2016, 01:07 AM
That WOULD be a concern if this team didn't also have Lamarcus Aldridge, David West, and Boris Diaw, but...it does.

Exactly. Timmy's getting the easy buckets in the post where he's more comfortable. He wants Aldridge taking that shot instead of him, as he should. He takes what his body gives him.

Nathan89
01-07-2016, 01:10 AM
Stat padding Draymond would have played in the 4th quarter.:lol

And the Warriors would have put him in position to get the stats needed. Even miss shots if rebounds were required.

TDfan2007
01-07-2016, 01:21 AM
Damn-- Timmy with 18/8/6 in 25 minutes.

If he plays 35 minutes, he probably gets a triple double.

:worthy:

I loved watching him set up the young guys. He's so damn unselfish

Fireball
01-07-2016, 03:23 AM
he should not shoot that J anymore ... its funny how better his shot looks when he gets the ball while he is moving and shoots it immediately (like that game winner vs. ATL last season)

TheMulletMan3000
01-07-2016, 04:24 AM
When has he ever had legs?
Anyone remember when Timmy found his arms?

:lol that was great

FlAVaK
01-07-2016, 05:10 AM
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littlecoyotecoin
01-07-2016, 06:36 AM
:lol that was great

Yeah, that jumper from the top of the key, left or right, has been broken for a LONG time. He gets no arc on it. It's got little chance of going in from the minute he even decides to take it. I've been cringing for a decade. But, it's Tim Duncan. Even Superman had Kryptonite.

littlecoyotecoin
01-07-2016, 06:54 AM
And, that video shows him making 3/5 in practice. So what. I've seen him miss a line drive that bent the front or back of the rim a million times during a game. Boban was shooting some 3's in practice, too. I would hesitate to call that "his shot".

Tim takes that shot to keep the defense honest, and teams give it to him for a reason. They watch tape.

When even the bench is shooting 123% from the field, you let him take that 30% shot, or whatever it is.

Seventyniner
01-07-2016, 07:26 AM
Shaq always refused to practice his FTs and made excuses instead. Does Tim do the same thing with jumpers? We have Chip fucking Engelland on the staff. Tim with his legendary work ethic should be able to get a workable set shot (or a "jumper" where he barely hops off the ground). At least get some arc on it.

UNT Eagles 2016
01-07-2016, 12:08 PM
He made one last night

$pursDynasty
01-07-2016, 12:10 PM
Timmy seeing LMA and DWest make them in their sleep, has him jealous. Timmy hitting the mid range is icing on the cake. It sucked when we needed those points and you couldn't count on them but now they are more of a luxury.