this team won't be winning too many close games IN THE PLAYOFFS..

[spursistan]

as of today....:lmao living and dying by Parker bailouts.(made 2 and vomited a horrible last miss) ...zero offensive structure..Kawi and LMA non-factor..

[look_at_g_shred]

relax.

[Mr. Body]

Jump off a bridge.

[spursistan]

you won't be curbstomping the Jazz each round on road to a ring :lol

[dabom]

Enrique showed up. :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

Quit making game threads, faggot

[Mikeanaro]

Just one game...

[spurtech09]

says who?

[TheGreatYacht]

Enrique showed up. :lmao
MVParker - 16pts, 5reb, 8ast = shit game

Paddy - 0pts, 0-4 shooting = great game

dacucky :lmao

[dabom]

I never said anything about Pattys game tonight. Tony shitting the bed per par. I hope Pop benches his ass during the playoffs ala okc game 6. :lmao

[SupremeGuy]

TheGreatCleveland burning deep with Kawhi's season. :lol

[apalisoc_9]

This isnt just one game. The spurs managed now to choke but it is pretty aparent that defenses have figured out to use Parker tendencies to their advantage. If you stay on your man and not help, hes going to take a jumper.

Its been this way since the start of the season. Probably won them 1 out of 6 close games. The correct PG decision skills is to not fall for the opposing team trap.

The spurs actually lost the lead today soon as the team started going with Parker in the PnR to generate offense. The offense was putrid and it wasnt good enough to make up for New York getting hot.

This is going to be an issue going forward in close games stretch.

[TheGreatYacht]

I never said anything about Pattys game tonight. Tony shitting the bed per par. I hope Pop benches his ass during the playoffs ala okc game 6. :lmao
No faggot, you were taking jizz to the mouth for Patty last game :lmao

Defending an 0-4 game and bumping your 0 replies thread lulz

[spursistan]

76-86
Tony Parker enters the game for Patty Mills


8:03
Carmelo Anthony enters the game for Derrick Williams
76-86



7:56

76-86
Kawhi Leonard misses 6-foot two point jumper


7:54
Carmelo Anthony defensive rebound
76-86



7:54

76-86
David West personal foul (Carmelo Anthony draws the foul)


7:30
Langston Galloway misses 24-foot three point jumper
76-86



7:28

76-86
Danny Green defensive rebound


7:18

76-86
Boris Diaw misses 2-foot two point shot


7:18
Langston Galloway defensive rebound
76-86



7:13
Langston Galloway makes two point shot
78-86



7:13
Spurs Full timeout


7:13
Jose Calderon enters the game for Jerian Grant
78-86



6:56
Arron Afflalo shooting foul (Kawhi Leonard draws the foul)
78-86



6:56

78-87
Kawhi Leonard makes free throw 1 of 2


6:56

78-87
Jonathon Simmons enters the game for Boris Diaw


6:56

78-88
Kawhi Leonard makes free throw 2 of 2


6:45

78-88
Danny Green personal foul (Arron Afflalo draws the foul)


6:45

78-88
LaMarcus Aldridge enters the game for David West


6:37
Arron Afflalo misses 24-foot three point jumper
78-88



6:37

78-88
Jonathon Simmons defensive rebound


6:20

78-90
LaMarcus Aldridge makes 6-foot two point shot (Danny Green assists)


5:58
Kristaps Porzingis makes 17-foot two point shot (Jose Calderon assists)
80-90



5:41
Robin Lopez enters the game for Kristaps Porzingis
80-90



5:37
Arron Afflalo personal foul (Jonathon Simmons draws the foul)
80-90



5:26

80-92
Tony Parker makes 17-foot two point shot


5:05
Robin Lopez misses 16-foot jumper
80-92



5:03

80-92
LaMarcus Aldridge defensive rebound


4:47

80-92
Tony Parker misses 18-foot two point jumper


4:46
Robin Lopez defensive rebound
80-92



4:35

80-92
LaMarcus Aldridge personal foul (Carmelo Anthony draws the foul)


4:24
Robin Lopez makes 10-foot jumper (Jose Calderon assists)
82-92



4:03

82-92
Tony Parker misses 23-foot three point jumper


4:01
Knicks defensive team rebound
82-92



3:46
Robin Lopez misses 5-foot hook shot
82-92



3:45
Carmelo Anthony offensive rebound
82-92



3:26

84-92
Kawhi Leonard misses 11-foot two point jumper


3:24
Langston Galloway defensive rebound
84-92



3:21
Langston Galloway makes layup
86-92



3:21

86-92
Danny Green shooting foul (Langston Galloway draws the foul)


3:21
Langston Galloway makes free throw 1 of 1
87-92



3:00

87-92
LaMarcus Aldridge misses 8-foot jumper


2:58
Jose Calderon defensive rebound
87-92



2:48
Carmelo Anthony makes 17-foot jumper
89-92



2:29
Carmelo Anthony personal foul (Kawhi Leonard draws the foul)
89-92



2:29
Official timeout


2:27

89-92
Manu Ginobili enters the game for Jonathon Simmons


2:08
Manu Ginobili blocks Langston Galloway 's 17-foot shot
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2:05
Arron Afflalo offensive rebound
89-94



2:02
Arron Afflalo makes three point jumper
92-94



1:46

92-96
LaMarcus Aldridge makes jumper (Tony Parker assists)


1:27
Carmelo Anthony makes 15-foot two point shot (Langston Galloway assists)
94-96



1:07

94-98
Tony Parker makes driving layup (Manu Ginobili assists)


1:07
Knicks Full timeout


1:07
Kristaps Porzingis enters the game for Robin Lopez
94-98



0:49
Arron Afflalo makes three pointer
97-98



0:33

97-100
Tony Parker makes 10-foot two point shot (LaMarcus Aldridge assists)


0:33
Knicks 20 Sec. timeout


0:32
Kristaps Porzingis makes two point shot (Arron Afflalo assists)
99-100



0:15

99-100
Tony Parker misses 20-foot jumper


0:14
Langston Galloway defensive rebound
99-100



0:00
Jose Calderon misses three point jumper
99-100



0:00

99-100
Spurs defensive team rebound

[spursistan]

?


76-86
Tony Parker enters the game for Patty Mills


8:03
Carmelo Anthony enters the game for Derrick Williams
76-86



7:56

76-86
Kawhi Leonard misses 6-foot two point jumper


7:54
Carmelo Anthony defensive rebound
76-86



7:54

76-86
David West personal foul (Carmelo Anthony draws the foul)


7:30
Langston Galloway misses 24-foot three point jumper
76-86



7:28

76-86
Danny Green defensive rebound


7:18

76-86
Boris Diaw misses 2-foot two point shot


7:18
Langston Galloway defensive rebound
76-86



7:13
Langston Galloway makes two point shot
78-86



7:13
Spurs Full timeout


7:13
Jose Calderon enters the game for Jerian Grant
78-86



6:56
Arron Afflalo shooting foul (Kawhi Leonard draws the foul)
78-86



6:56

78-87
Kawhi Leonard makes free throw 1 of 2


6:56

78-87
Jonathon Simmons enters the game for Boris Diaw


6:56

78-88
Kawhi Leonard makes free throw 2 of 2


6:45

78-88
Danny Green personal foul (Arron Afflalo draws the foul)


6:45

78-88
LaMarcus Aldridge enters the game for David West


6:37
Arron Afflalo misses 24-foot three point jumper
78-88



6:37

78-88
Jonathon Simmons defensive rebound


6:20

78-90
LaMarcus Aldridge makes 6-foot two point shot (Danny Green assists)


5:58
Kristaps Porzingis makes 17-foot two point shot (Jose Calderon assists)
80-90



5:41
Robin Lopez enters the game for Kristaps Porzingis
80-90



5:37
Arron Afflalo personal foul (Jonathon Simmons draws the foul)
80-90



5:26

80-92
Tony Parker makes 17-foot two point shot


5:05
Robin Lopez misses 16-foot jumper
80-92



5:03

80-92
LaMarcus Aldridge defensive rebound


4:47

80-92
Tony Parker misses 18-foot two point jumper


4:46
Robin Lopez defensive rebound
80-92



4:35

80-92
LaMarcus Aldridge personal foul (Carmelo Anthony draws the foul)


4:24
Robin Lopez makes 10-foot jumper (Jose Calderon assists)
82-92



4:03

82-92
Tony Parker misses 23-foot three point jumper


4:01
Knicks defensive team rebound
82-92



3:46
Robin Lopez misses 5-foot hook shot
82-92



3:45
Carmelo Anthony offensive rebound
82-92



3:26

84-92
Kawhi Leonard misses 11-foot two point jumper


3:24
Langston Galloway defensive rebound
84-92



3:21
Langston Galloway makes layup
86-92



3:21

86-92
Danny Green shooting foul (Langston Galloway draws the foul)


3:21
Langston Galloway makes free throw 1 of 1
87-92



3:00

87-92
LaMarcus Aldridge misses 8-foot jumper


2:58
Jose Calderon defensive rebound
87-92



2:48
Carmelo Anthony makes 17-foot jumper
89-92



2:29
Carmelo Anthony personal foul (Kawhi Leonard draws the foul)
89-92



2:29
Official timeout


2:27

89-92
Manu Ginobili enters the game for Jonathon Simmons


2:08
Manu Ginobili blocks Langston Galloway 's 17-foot shot
89-94



2:05
Arron Afflalo offensive rebound
89-94



2:02
Arron Afflalo makes three point jumper
92-94



1:46

92-96
LaMarcus Aldridge makes jumper (Tony Parker assists)


1:27
Carmelo Anthony makes 15-foot two point shot (Langston Galloway assists)
94-96



1:07

94-98
Tony Parker makes driving layup (Manu Ginobili assists)


1:07
Knicks Full timeout


1:07
Kristaps Porzingis enters the game for Robin Lopez
94-98



0:49
Arron Afflalo makes three pointer
97-98



0:33

97-100
Tony Parker makes 10-foot two point shot (LaMarcus Aldridge assists)


0:33
Knicks 20 Sec. timeout


0:32
Kristaps Porzingis makes two point shot (Arron Afflalo assists)
99-100



0:15

99-100
Tony Parker misses 20-foot jumper


0:14
Langston Galloway defensive rebound
99-100



0:00
Jose Calderon misses three point jumper
99-100



0:00

99-100
Spurs defensive team rebound

[dabom]

No faggot, you were taking jizz to the mouth for Patty last game :lmao

Defending an 0-4 game and bumping your 0 replies thread lulz

Last game faggot. I haven't said anything tonight except that major half choke job by Tony. :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

TheGreatCleveland burning deep with Kawhi's season. :lol
SupremeBurger swallowing food like its cocks. :lol at least you removed that hideous pic of yourself tbh

[ceperez]

This isnt just one game. The spurs managed now to choke but it is pretty aparent that defenses have figured out to use Parker tendencies to their advantage. If you stay on your man and not help, hes going to take a jumper.

Its been this way since the start of the season. Probably won them 1 out of 6 close games. The correct PG decision skills is to not fall for the opposing team trap.

The spurs actually lost the lead today soon as the team started going with Parker in the PnR to generate offense. The offense was putrid and it wasnt good enough to make up for New York getting hot.

This is going to be an issue going forward in close games stretch.

I agree the offense has a problem if the only guy who can generate offense is Parker. The Knicks had 3 guys who could go one and one. Spurs looked like they only had one guy.

[dabom]

That was some good defense by Kawhi last play. :toast

[apalisoc_9]

76-86
Tony Parker enters the game for Patty Mills


8:03
Carmelo Anthony enters the game for Derrick Williams
76-86



7:56

76-86
Kawhi Leonard misses 6-foot two point jumper


7:54
Carmelo Anthony defensive rebound
76-86



7:54

76-86
David West personal foul (Carmelo Anthony draws the foul)


7:30
Langston Galloway misses 24-foot three point jumper
76-86



7:28

76-86
Danny Green defensive rebound


7:18

76-86
Boris Diaw misses 2-foot two point shot


7:18
Langston Galloway defensive rebound
76-86



7:13
Langston Galloway makes two point shot
78-86



7:13
Spurs Full timeout


7:13
Jose Calderon enters the game for Jerian Grant
78-86



6:56
Arron Afflalo shooting foul (Kawhi Leonard draws the foul)
78-86



6:56

78-87
Kawhi Leonard makes free throw 1 of 2


6:56

78-87
Jonathon Simmons enters the game for Boris Diaw


6:56

78-88
Kawhi Leonard makes free throw 2 of 2


6:45

78-88
Danny Green personal foul (Arron Afflalo draws the foul)


6:45

78-88
LaMarcus Aldridge enters the game for David West


6:37
Arron Afflalo misses 24-foot three point jumper
78-88



6:37

78-88
Jonathon Simmons defensive rebound


6:20

78-90
LaMarcus Aldridge makes 6-foot two point shot (Danny Green assists)


5:58
Kristaps Porzingis makes 17-foot two point shot (Jose Calderon assists)
80-90



5:41
Robin Lopez enters the game for Kristaps Porzingis
80-90



5:37
Arron Afflalo personal foul (Jonathon Simmons draws the foul)
80-90



5:26

80-92
Tony Parker makes 17-foot two point shot


5:05
Robin Lopez misses 16-foot jumper
80-92



5:03

80-92
LaMarcus Aldridge defensive rebound


4:47

80-92
Tony Parker misses 18-foot two point jumper


4:46
Robin Lopez defensive rebound
80-92



4:35

80-92
LaMarcus Aldridge personal foul (Carmelo Anthony draws the foul)


4:24
Robin Lopez makes 10-foot jumper (Jose Calderon assists)
82-92



4:03

82-92
Tony Parker misses 23-foot three point jumper


4:01
Knicks defensive team rebound
82-92



3:46
Robin Lopez misses 5-foot hook shot
82-92



3:45
Carmelo Anthony offensive rebound
82-92



3:26

84-92
Kawhi Leonard misses 11-foot two point jumper


3:24
Langston Galloway defensive rebound
84-92



3:21
Langston Galloway makes layup
86-92



3:21

86-92
Danny Green shooting foul (Langston Galloway draws the foul)


3:21
Langston Galloway makes free throw 1 of 1
87-92



3:00

87-92
LaMarcus Aldridge misses 8-foot jumper


2:58
Jose Calderon defensive rebound
87-92



2:48
Carmelo Anthony makes 17-foot jumper
89-92



2:29
Carmelo Anthony personal foul (Kawhi Leonard draws the foul)
89-92



2:29
Official timeout


2:27

89-92
Manu Ginobili enters the game for Jonathon Simmons


2:08
Manu Ginobili blocks Langston Galloway 's 17-foot shot
89-94



2:05
Arron Afflalo offensive rebound
89-94



2:02
Arron Afflalo makes three point jumper
92-94



1:46

92-96
LaMarcus Aldridge makes jumper (Tony Parker assists)


1:27
Carmelo Anthony makes 15-foot two point shot (Langston Galloway assists)
94-96



1:07

94-98
Tony Parker makes driving layup (Manu Ginobili assists)


1:07
Knicks Full timeout


1:07
Kristaps Porzingis enters the game for Robin Lopez
94-98



0:49
Arron Afflalo makes three pointer
97-98



0:33

97-100
Tony Parker makes 10-foot two point shot (LaMarcus Aldridge assists)


0:33
Knicks 20 Sec. timeout


0:32
Kristaps Porzingis makes two point shot (Arron Afflalo assists)
99-100



0:15

99-100
Tony Parker misses 20-foot jumper


0:14
Langston Galloway defensive rebound
99-100



0:00
Jose Calderon misses three point jumper
99-100



0:00

99-100
Spurs defensive team rebound



Thanks.

As you can see, the knicks complelty outplayed the spurs since the 200 mark. Defenses are taking notes and I wouldnt be surprised to see OKC and GSW take advantage of this glaring weakness.

[dabom]

JOE in here acting like a cum bucket. :lmao

[Mr. Body]

Thanks.

As you can see, the knicks complelty outplayed the spurs since the 200 mark. Defenses are taking notes and I wouldnt be surprised to see OKC and GSW take advantage of this glaring weakness.

The Knicks hit all their ridiculous shots. Is that the weaknes you mean?

[DMC]

Jump off a bridge.

I'd say out a window but basements don't have any.

[apalisoc_9]

I agree the offense has a problem if the only guy who can generate offense is Parker. The Knicks had 3 guys who could go one and one. Spurs looked like they only had one guy.

They were only willing to run screens for one guy. The needed off ball movement. Defenses are smart enough to bait San Antonio into Parker PnR.

[dabom]

Parker is dumb enough to not pass the ball over. :lmao

[apalisoc_9]

The Knicks hit all their ridiculous shots. Is that the weaknes you mean?

Dumbass. Of course the knicks were hitting shots. But you cant combine hot shooting from your.opponet with your putrid offense. Its a recipe for disaster. Jesus..some people really have zero basketball understanding.

[RD2191]

Langston Scrubaway almost playing Porker to a draw. Lol

[Mr. Body]

Dumbass. Of course the knicks were hitting shots. But you cant combine hot shooting from your.opponet with your putrid offense. Its a recipe for disaster. Jesus..some people really have zero basketball understanding.

Answer the question. What fucking weakness? The Knicks just hit all their stupid shots. That's it.

[RD2191]

JOE in here acting like a cum bucket. :lmao

That broke faggot pussied out when I bet him 1 grand. Broke bitch probably has to steal money from his granny.

[dabom]

That broke faggot pussied out when I bet him 1 grand. Broke bitch probably has to steal money from his granny.

:lmao

[ElNono]

Fortunately we won't be playing the Knicks in the playoffs

[rasuo214]

Spurs will be fine as long as you stop making GDTs.

[spursfaninla]

Thanks.

As you can see, the knicks complelty outplayed the spurs since the 200 mark. Defenses are taking notes and I wouldnt be surprised to see OKC and GSW take advantage of this glaring weakness.

What? Spurs made 2 out of 3 of their shots from the 2 minute mark. Tony made a layup and a 10 foot shot that was a good shot to take. Aldridge took and made the other.

I'm not going to pretend the offense looked good the last 8 minutes, and I do not necessarily disagree about more off-ball movement being a good idea, but our problem was not the offense last 2 minutes.

The problem was defense; ny scored 13 points in 3:21, on pace for 39 points in the quarter.



Just because kwahi did not take the last few shots, that does not mean the offense does not work.

[apalisoc_9]

What? Spurs made 2 out of 3 of their shots from the 2 minute mark. Tony made a layup and a 10 foot shot that was a good shot to take. Aldridge took and made the other.

I'm not going to pretend the offense looked good the last 8 minutes, and I do not necessarily disagree about more off-ball movement being a good idea, but our problem was not the offense last 2 minutes.

The problem was defense; ny scored 13 points in 3:21, on pace for 39 points in the quarter.



Just because kwahi did not take the last few shots, that does not mean the offense does not work.

Seriously you are so stupid.

The spurs statistically are one of the poorest teams in clutch situatio n there was even a tweet about it. Im on my phone so i cant see it.

I

[FkLA]

Nope. Not as long as Enrique thinks the 4th Qtr is his time to put his hero cape on.

[TheGreatYacht]

That broke faggot pussied out when I bet him 1 grand. Broke bitch probably has to steal money from his granny.
Trusting the Krew lol, all you faggots are broke and have no option but to poach :lmao

What happened, that weight finally caught up to your scooter and you need a new one?

[spursfaninla]

Seriously you are so stupid.

The spurs statistically are one of the poorest teams in clutch situatio n there was even a tweet about it. Im on my phone so i cant see it.

I

statistics on clutch shooting may speak to bad general spurs tendencies, I don't claim otherwise.

But in this game, you are misguided. you picked a bad game as your example. even if you were not watching, the play by play should have told you a layup and shot in the paint with parker having space to shoot are good shots.

in the sense that the spurs got good shots and made 3 of 4 of the last shots, with parker taking 2 good and 1 bad shot in that time, if the clutch stats say spurs get bad shots late game, that was not true in crunch time tonight.

pick a game the spurs actually lose in crunchtime, or at least lose the lead because of bad offense.

instead you just try to force it by ignoring facts and pushing your player hating agenda.

boring.

[apalisoc_9]

Nope. Not as long as Enrique thinks the 4th Qtr is his time to put his hero cape on.

Its not just Parker in general. Teams are actually gameplanning for him. They force the spurs to run their offense via parker by staying on their man and not allowing sets to start.

This takes away two things.

- Ball movement
- the best offensive player
- and basically the other three guys that is not the screen setter.

It forces San Antonio to play a two man game.

The correct Decision is to not fall for the obvious strategy and run a set that generates movement. For example, you hardly see Horns, pinch post or other sets in late game siutation.

Parker is thinking hes taking what the defense is giving.him...

[apalisoc_9]

statistics on clutch shooting may speak to bad general spurs tendencies, I don't claim otherwise.

But in this game, you are misguided. you picked a bad game as your example. even if you were not watching, the play by play should have told you a layup and shot in the paint with parker having space to shoot are good shots.

in the sense that the spurs got good shots and made 3 of 4 of the last shots, with parker taking 2 good and 1 bad shot in that time, if the clutch stats say spurs get bad shots late game, that was not true in crunch time tonight.

pick a game the spurs actually lose in crunchtime, or at least lose the lead because of bad offense.

instead you just try to force it by ignoring facts and pushing your player hating agenda.

boring.

Jesus never talk about basketball ever again. Very poor grap of offensive flow. Just vanilla mainstream oh but he was 2 out of 3 take. Dont ever quote me again.

[Budkin]

Dude it's fucking January. And we won.

[spursfaninla]

Jesus never talk about basketball ever again. Very poor grap of offensive flow. Just vanilla mainstream oh but he was 2 out of 3 take. Dont ever quote me again.

anything else?

boring. same old lack of content. you say "offensive flow" all the time, like the spurs don't know how to move the ball.

Unfortunately, we obviously have not figured out how to get kawhi the ball with off-ball movement, so your actual earlier point has merit, but it simply is not the reason for the result tonight, regardless of the validity of your point generally.

typically kawhi gets the ball in isos, and he either shoots a jumper, drives to the basket or posts up.

tonight, i doubt he makes more than 75% shooting, like we had with the 4 shots we took since the 2 minute mark, so your whole "offensive flow" etc, however valid generally, does not apply to the result tonight.

all of which also does not change the fact that you are a boring one trick pony that can't handle actual discussion without getting your panties twisted.

[apalisoc_9]

Dude it's fucking January. And we won.

This is a forum meant for guys who understand the game to talk about the game. We dont have our skirts and we are at poor at dancing so sorry if we dont just cheer and sing kombaya.

Good thread op. Dont let the cheerleaders bring you down.

[BD24]

Joshua must be on his period. Real heavy flow jaojao?

[ElNono]

Playoffs are a different game, tbh... much more execution heavy, way more attention paid to each possession and much more detailed coaching.

Now, that's not to say the Spurs couldn't lose close games in the playoffs, but I don't even think Pop called a timeout in the clutch tonight, IIRC.

So, sure, something to keep an eye on, but you gotta be careful about projecting too much from the regular season...

[Mnky]

Dumbutt. Of course the knicks were hitting shots. But you cant combine hot shooting from your.opponet with your putrid offense. Its a recipe for disaster. Jesus..some people really have zero basketball understanding.


Wait.. so if one team is making their shots.. and you arnt making yours, youre saying your team might not be in a good position?

:lol

[Mnky]

This team is amazing. The Knicks have been playing great basketball lately and are coming off big ones against top east teams. They're getting healthier and melo is taking less shots than any other time in his career, making them way more balanced. Porzingis is a matchup nightmare to everyone, and they have some streaky shooters.

Spurs made up for their lackluster start, which isn't the norm as some people are saying. They held teams to record lows in the first quarter a few times. People who make playoff predictions off of one game, are not people who understand basketball, although they claim to.

Their Is a reason they go best of 7. One game is not close to being definitive of a team.

[Neurosis]

There's a valid point here: our NetRtg in the clutch is awful.

The type of play we go to in the clutch is always the same thing: Parker PnR for (usually) a long 2.

Our offense is 3rd best in the league when adjusted for opposition quality, and we don't run a whole lot if any of the Parker PnR game. So the question is: why would we deviate from our actually excellent offense in favour of running a Parker PnR? It's not that Parker is bad or not clutch - it's that we have this outstanding offense 95% of the time, and in the 5% of the time when it really matters - we go away from it in favour of a statistically below average offense.

It's not a playerfan thing, it's just an observable issue that the TEAM has. Parker's actually a good mid-range shooter, but that doesn't mean all your offense should come from that. Kawhi is no worse in the mid-range (a higher FG% from 10-16 ft but otherwise around the same as Parker) but he also draws double teams, is a bigger 3pt threat, more athleticism to finish (now that Parker has declined) and is just generally a better iso player. Kawhi iso is better than a Parker PnR, statistically, at this stage of their careers.

But also it doesn't have to be a Kawhi iso play either. The Spurs can run all kinds of players for a corner 3, put any combo of Duncan/Diaw/West/LMA in a High-Low (I think West as the High man is great, because he also has a legit mid-range threat), post-up a Kawhi/Diaw/West/Boban mismatch...there are SO many options on this team and we go to one of the statistically worst ones. Yeah we survived tonight but that's an example of an INSTANCE paying off (or not totally failing). The PATTERN is bad, there's no question about that.

[apalisoc_9]

There's a valid point here: our NetRtg in the clutch is awful.

The type of play we go to in the clutch is always the same thing: Parker PnR for (usually) a long 2.

Our offense is 3rd best in the league when adjusted for opposition quality, and we don't run a whole lot if any of the Parker PnR game. So the question is: why would we deviate from our actually excellent offense in favour of running a Parker PnR? It's not that Parker is bad or not clutch - it's that we have this outstanding offense 95% of the time, and in the 5% of the time when it really matters - we go away from it in favour of a statistically very average offense.

It's not a playerfan thing, it's just an observable issue that the TEAM has. Parker's actually a good mid-range shooter, but that doesn't mean all your offense should come from that. Kawhi is no worse in the mid-range (a higher FG% from 10-16 ft but otherwise around the same as Parker) but he also draws double teams, is a bigger 3pt threat, more athleticism to finish (now that Parker has declined) and is just generally a better iso player. Kawhi iso is better than a Parker PnR, statistically, at this stage of their careers.

But also it doesn't have to be a Kawhi iso play either. The Spurs can run all kinds of players for a corner 3, put any combo of Duncan/Diaw/West/LMA in a High-Low (I think West as the High man is great, because he also has a legit mid-range threat), post-up a Kawhi/Diaw/West/Boban mismatch...there are SO many options on this team and we go to one of the statistically worst ones. Yeah we survived tonight but that's an example of an INSTANCE paying off (or not totally failing). The PATTERN is bad, there's no question about that.

This is what forum basketball should.consist of. Actuall basketball talk as opposed to "dont complain we won cheerleading post"

[spursfaninla]

did not say don't complain. did not deny your general assertion.

but you obviously did not watch the game, or you are half blind by your boring player hate; otherwise, i think you would have noticed we could not stop them from scoring, and that was why we had trouble THIS GAME.

instead of pushing your little agenda you might pick your spots more strategically.

of course, anyone agreeing with you speaks actual basketball and everyone who does not is stupid.

[Reck]

I wish all the Spurs games were close games. They play tons better and more focus when they play with a 5 point lead than with a 20 point lead.

Spurs cant keep big leads. Nothing new there.

[apalisoc_9]

As i have said multiple times, the spurs offense relies on how teams react to generate movement. And thats how offense in general work.

The problem with the Parker PnRs is that teams arent reacting and just allowing them to go 2 on 2. Its pretty concerning because the team dont use parker as much in the first 3 quarters as they do in the 4th.

From my POV, its just teams taking advantage of Parker tendencies...

[spursfaninla]

so you don't want parker to take layups if he gets one?

if teams play to our tendencies and give us layups to parker or uncontested mid-range shots to LA in the last 2 minutes, I think our offense is fine.

[ducks]

Parker now is 77 all time in scoring
I guess he does he sucks though��

[spursfaninla]

dont bother he will just call you stupid or a fag or something else lacking in intelligence since he can't handle real debate unless people already agree with him.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Thanks.

As you can see, the knicks complelty outplayed the spurs since the 200 mark. Defenses are taking notes and I wouldnt be surprised to see OKC and GSW take advantage of this glaring weakness.

So Affalo makes 2 incredible 3 pointers, Kawhi doesn't get the obvious foul call on Anthony and Parker makes 3 out 6 shots down the stretch, assists on another and your take is that Parker shit the bed and the Spurs are doomed. 4 times out of 5 this is a 6 point win or better. Tonight only a 1 point win against a hot team. The only one shitting the bed is you with your straight from your asshole take.

[Horse]

Are you fuckers really still crying about a reg season game? 32-6 and you know they will improve come March-April as they always do.

[ceperez]

There's a valid point here: our NetRtg in the clutch is awful.

The type of play we go to in the clutch is always the same thing: Parker PnR for (usually) a long 2.

Our offense is 3rd best in the league when adjusted for opposition quality, and we don't run a whole lot if any of the Parker PnR game. So the question is: why would we deviate from our actually excellent offense in favour of running a Parker PnR? It's not that Parker is bad or not clutch - it's that we have this outstanding offense 95% of the time, and in the 5% of the time when it really matters - we go away from it in favour of a statistically below average offense.

It's not a playerfan thing, it's just an observable issue that the TEAM has. Parker's actually a good mid-range shooter, but that doesn't mean all your offense should come from that. Kawhi is no worse in the mid-range (a higher FG% from 10-16 ft but otherwise around the same as Parker) but he also draws double teams, is a bigger 3pt threat, more athleticism to finish (now that Parker has declined) and is just generally a better iso player. Kawhi iso is better than a Parker PnR, statistically, at this stage of their careers.

But also it doesn't have to be a Kawhi iso play either. The Spurs can run all kinds of players for a corner 3, put any combo of Duncan/Diaw/West/LMA in a High-Low (I think West as the High man is great, because he also has a legit mid-range threat), post-up a Kawhi/Diaw/West/Boban mismatch...there are SO many options on this team and we go to one of the statistically worst ones. Yeah we survived tonight but that's an example of an INSTANCE paying off (or not totally failing). The PATTERN is bad, there's no question about that.

I agree that the starters haven't gelled enough to be potent enough in offense. That stats bear this out.

Just look at the game, Spurs are able to build separation when the reserves come in, but when the starters start coming in like at the end of the 4th quarter.

Spurs need more variety in the lineup against good teams. The lineup is too predictable.

[ceperez]

As i have said multiple times, the spurs offense relies on how teams react to generate movement. And thats how offense in general work.

The problem with the Parker PnRs is that teams arent reacting and just allowing them to go 2 on 2. Its pretty concerning because the team dont use parker as much in the first 3 quarters as they do in the 4th.

From my POV, its just teams taking advantage of Parker tendencies...

You are right about the reacting part.

The problem is that with the starting team, it is only Parker that can generate offense and still somehow get other players involved. LMA is a black hole and I don't have any faith that he can score with a high efficiency. West is so much more accurate from the field.

Leonard hasn't been tested yet in these clutch situations, unfortunately you've got Parker on the floor. The team that created defensive problems was with Green, Simmons and Leonard in the wings. Honestly, Spurs need to give the keys to Leonard in clutch time and have the right personnel to have a stout defense.

Bulls may have figured this out with how they have been recently using Butler to run their offense.

[spursistan]

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[SAGirl]

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This one sequence he was trying to get the ball to Lamarcus. While his attention was focused on that, someone recovered to Kawhi. He took some time to try to get LMA the ball, including passing to Manu at the top to see if a lob was available. Manu passed right back to Tony (not Kawhi), so you can tell they were focused on going to LMA that play. Yea Tony lacked court vision, and those are things to look at, that Pop also will probably point out. But it wasn't a selfish play per se. AT the point Tony got the ball back from Manu, now Kawhi was covered, there was little time in the shot clock and he blew past Lopez for an easy, easy layup.

The one play you may want to criticize is the one right after, when with 10 secs in the shotclock I believe he attempted and failed on a long 2 over Porzingis. That was a bad shot, and he should have passed out of it and let someone else take a shot. It wasn't also like he was trying to attempt to execute a play like he was here.

Regardless, as someone posted, the problems were defensive. Missing one of 4 shots in the clutch is actually not a terrible execution. Kawhi had chances before those last shots (got fouled and jacked up a shot, no call), by the way in a 2 man game with LMA setting the screen, something we all wanted to see and Kawhi wasn't having his best game offensively either.

All in all its a win.

[sasaint]

This one sequence he was trying to get the ball to Lamarcus. While his attention was focused on that, someone recovered to Kawhi. He took some time to try to get LMA the ball, including passing to Manu at the top to see if a lob was available. Manu passed right back to Tony (not Kawhi), so you can tell they were focused on going to LMA that play. Yea Tony lacked court vision, and those are things to look at, that Pop also will probably point out. But it wasn't a selfish play per se. AT the point Tony got the ball back from Manu, now Kawhi was covered, there was little time in the shot clock and he blew past Lopez for an easy, easy layup.

The one play you may want to criticize is the one right after, when with 10 secs in the shotclock I believe he attempted and failed on a long 2 over Porzingis. That was a bad shot, and he should have passed out of it and let someone else take a shot. It wasn't also like he was trying to attempt to execute a play like he was here.

Regardless, as someone posted, the problems were defensive. Missing one of 4 shots in the clutch is actually not a terrible execution. Kawhi had chances before those last shots (got fouled and jacked up a shot, no call), by the way in a 2 man game with LMA setting the screen, something we all wanted to see and Kawhi wasn't having his best game offensively either.

All in all its a win.

I commend you. That's exactly what is going on in this sequence. I really didn't see it when I watched the game live. :toast.

I wish Tony's court vision were better, but it probably isn't going to improve at this stage of his career. He has never had the vision of Manu, but his own vision has served him and the Spurs pretty well through the years. At the end of THIS game he was the player with the freshest legs for either team. He utilized that advantage well, and we won.

Posters argue about our performance/execution in "the clutch", but tbh how many games have we found ourselves in those kind of situations? We have way more blowouts. IMHO, we really haven't had very many clutch situations in order to gain experience in close game/game end execution. The downside of routinely blowing out opponents - and it probably is not serving our playoff preparation very well.

One last observation: This Knick team is improving steadily. Nobody in the Least is going to look forward to meeting them in the playoffs.

[sasaint]

There's a valid point here: our NetRtg in the clutch is awful.

The type of play we go to in the clutch is always the same thing: Parker PnR for (usually) a long 2.

Our offense is 3rd best in the league when adjusted for opposition quality, and we don't run a whole lot if any of the Parker PnR game. So the question is: why would we deviate from our actually excellent offense in favour of running a Parker PnR? It's not that Parker is bad or not clutch - it's that we have this outstanding offense 95% of the time, and in the 5% of the time when it really matters - we go away from it in favour of a statistically below average offense.

It's not a playerfan thing, it's just an observable issue that the TEAM has. Parker's actually a good mid-range shooter, but that doesn't mean all your offense should come from that. Kawhi is no worse in the mid-range (a higher FG% from 10-16 ft but otherwise around the same as Parker) but he also draws double teams, is a bigger 3pt threat, more athleticism to finish (now that Parker has declined) and is just generally a better iso player. Kawhi iso is better than a Parker PnR, statistically, at this stage of their careers.

But also it doesn't have to be a Kawhi iso play either. The Spurs can run all kinds of players for a corner 3, put any combo of Duncan/Diaw/West/LMA in a High-Low (I think West as the High man is great, because he also has a legit mid-range threat), post-up a Kawhi/Diaw/West/Boban mismatch...there are SO many options on this team and we go to one of the statistically worst ones. Yeah we survived tonight but that's an example of an INSTANCE paying off (or not totally failing). The PATTERN is bad, there's no question about that.

I suspect our NetRtg in the clutch is based on a smaller sample size than any other team in the league. Part of our problem in close/close-out situations is simply that we don't face them very often. It looks to me like Pop is kind of living in the past when he gave the ball to Manu to get a bucket or get to the line. In a somewhat misguided way he has just shoved Tony into that role. Last night, however, Tony came back into the game late and clearly had the freshest legs on the floor. Consequently he did well.

[ducks]

More time to gel relax

[K...]

OK does this make sense.......The naked pick and roll allows Parker (and Pop) to control clock to the second and minimize TO.

A complex motion play requires more clock and if you have less than finite clock you can't run it unless you've practiced short clock plays.It can also be interrupted by the defense in less predictable ways than the P/R.

[100%duncan]

There's a valid point here: our NetRtg in the clutch is awful.

The type of play we go to in the clutch is always the same thing: Parker PnR for (usually) a long 2.

Our offense is 3rd best in the league when adjusted for opposition quality, and we don't run a whole lot if any of the Parker PnR game. So the question is: why would we deviate from our actually excellent offense in favour of running a Parker PnR? It's not that Parker is bad or not clutch - it's that we have this outstanding offense 95% of the time, and in the 5% of the time when it really matters - we go away from it in favour of a statistically below average offense.

It's not a playerfan thing, it's just an observable issue that the TEAM has. Parker's actually a good mid-range shooter, but that doesn't mean all your offense should come from that. Kawhi is no worse in the mid-range (a higher FG% from 10-16 ft but otherwise around the same as Parker) but he also draws double teams, is a bigger 3pt threat, more athleticism to finish (now that Parker has declined) and is just generally a better iso player. Kawhi iso is better than a Parker PnR, statistically, at this stage of their careers.

But also it doesn't have to be a Kawhi iso play either. The Spurs can run all kinds of players for a corner 3, put any combo of Duncan/Diaw/West/LMA in a High-Low (I think West as the High man is great, because he also has a legit mid-range threat), post-up a Kawhi/Diaw/West/Boban mismatch...there are SO many options on this team and we go to one of the statistically worst ones. Yeah we survived tonight but that's an example of an INSTANCE paying off (or not totally failing). The PATTERN is bad, there's no question about that.
Good point

[spursfaninla]

OK does this make sense.......The naked pick and roll allows Parker (and Pop) to control clock to the second and minimize TO.

A complex motion play requires more clock and if you have less than finite clock you can't run it unless you've practiced short clock plays.It can also be interrupted by the defense in less predictable ways than the P/R.

yes. hence the low turnover rate for pnr, and high scoring rate as i mentioned in another thread.

however, kawhi iso has even lower turnover rate and similar effectiveness...

[pgardn]

Because we have had so few close games...

We will lose them in the playoffs. Extrapolating from very FEW REGULAR SEASON games with Pop still scheming.

Bravo.

[sasaint]

Because we have had so few close games...

We will lose them in the playoffs. Extrapolating from very FEW REGULAR SEASON games with Pop still scheming.

Bravo.

But as the season goes forward and the schedule gets tougher, we will have more opportunities to test our close game strategy/plays/execution. We will have a lot more experience come playoff time.

[sasaint]

But as the season goes forward and the schedule gets tougher, we will have more opportunities to test our close game strategy/plays/execution. We will have a lot more experience come playoff time.

Thought the thread needed a bump after the Cavs game.

Our execution late was not great, and in addition several of our top guns were misfiring all game. Nonetheless, at the end of our toughest close game of the season we figured out a way to win. It is a good base to build on.