ISIS isnt Islamic

[Ghazi]

Is there anyone that still buys inti Western propaganda that ISIS is a reflection of Islam? That Islam is a violent, primitive, oppressive, expansiven religion with misogyny and a lack of tolerance for all religions? That they attach the word Islamic to their name and declare a Caliphate is an utter disgrace. Suicide bombings, executing journalists, destroying mosques and churches, none of this is sanctioned by the Quran. It is clear IsIS and other Sunni terrorist groups have been influenced by Wahhabism, which is intrinsically anti-Islamic. ISIS has an online magazine called Dabiq, this is a suggested read for anyone that wants to familiarize with the propaganda tactics of this group. This magazine is littered with Quranic verses, sometimes after a paragraph justifying terrorism. It calls 9/11 blessed and shows a picture of kids reading the Quran with guns as if this is the "right way". To anyone with knowedge of Islam and The Prophet its clear Dabiq is nothing but political propaganda with no theological reasoning or basis behind the philosophy that drives ISIS. Anyone can put a Quranic quote anywhere to justify anything, does not mean t is attached to the Quran or Islam in actuality. Dabiq also uses a lot of weak and plagiarIzed Hadiths from the Prophet about various subjects. It tries to rationalize its primitive tactics and idealogy with religion but has nothig to do with Islam or religion whatsoever. ISIS in a way thinks its "Allah" and has been sanctioned to deliver His punishments even though Allah has not given ISIS any authority on the shb whatsoever. The Jihad of the Quran is a far cry from these deviant bandits interpretation.

[Clipper Nation]

OP isn't heterosexual.

[vander]

this accomplishes nothing, go to Iraq and tell isis/l they aren't islamic

[Avante]

So this is all bogus?



The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/003-qmt.php#003.167) 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Bible-Quran-Violence.htm), the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of the surrounding text (although many Muslims choose to think of them that way). They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subject to interpretation as anything else in the Quran.

The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God. Most contemporary Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book's call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Their apologists cater to these preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.

Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad's own martial legacy, along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran, have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.

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Anyone who knows anything about the Koran or Islam is well aware of the fact this is a vile and vicious cult, it's not a rerlgion of peace at all and that should be real obvious.

This Ghazi is a total fool.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZiJehMXBpQ

I could post a video or an articles saying pretty much the same things as that video everyday for a year, why is that? Could it be that unlike Ghazi we aren't as blind as a bat and can see what Islam is doing to this world?

The Koran is choked full of this sort of thing.


Quran (3:151) (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/003-qmt.php#003.151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

[Ghazi]

109 verses? news to me. Avante, your knowledge on Islam is limited

[Ghazi]

Contrary to what was said the historical context, allegory/poetic style of the Quran is often what these anti/Islam sites and some Muslims themselves misinterpret to justify their intents / agendas

[TheSanityAnnex]

Contrary to what was said the historical context, allegory/poetic style of the Quran is often what these anti/Islam sites and some Muslims themselves misinterpret to justify their intents / agendas
Was Mohamed a pedo?

[boutons_deux]

30 of the Most Violent Exhortations from the Bible, Torah and Quran

1. Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the [holy man] who represents God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged.

2. I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those, who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes.

3. I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am God.

4. Fight them until there is no more [disbelief or worshipping of other gods] and worship is for God alone.

5. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother-in-law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

6. Whoso fighteth in the way of God, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.

7. Make ready to slaughter [the infidel’s] sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants.

8. [God’s messenger]... was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The [holy man] replied, "They [women and children] are from them [unbelievers]."

9. Then I heard God say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.”

10. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

11. Keep [my holiday], for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die.

12. The punishment of those who wage war against God and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement.

13. If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.

14. It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land...

15. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

16. I shall terrorize the [heathens]. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them, because they oppose God and his apostle.

17. A [holy man’s] daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.

18. So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.

19. Everyone who would not seek God was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

20. And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction.

21. But if [a girl wasn't a virgin on her wedding night] and evidence of the girl's virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her father’s house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against God’s people by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.

22. The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say, "O [believer]! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

23. If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you.

24. God’s Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but God."

25. Cursed be he who does God’s work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood.

26. God said, "A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. [Prophet], you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But God desires killing them to manifest the religion."

27. Anyone who blasphemes God’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of [believers].

28. When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) [your religion]; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them... If they refuse to accept [the faith], demand from them [a tax]. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek God's help and fight them.

29. Anyone else who goes too near the [Holy Place] will be executed.

30. Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us.

Is the Quran more violent than the Bible? The question is hard to answer.

A tally at the Skeptic’s Annotated Bible (http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/bible_quran.html) counts 842 violent or cruel passages in the Bible as compared to 333 in the Quran.

That said, the Bible is a much thicker tome, and even though the New Testament endorses and adds to (http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html) the violence in the Old, when percentages are compared, the Quran comes out ahead. In addition, the kinds of cruelty and violence vary as do the perpetrator and victim and the extent to which any verse can be interpreted as divine sanction for the behavior in question. Either way, this short test offers an illustrative sample from each sacred text.

http://www.alternet.org/print/30-most-violent-exhortations-bible-torah-and-quran

The article leaves out the American God of Oil's most famous: "All Your Oil Belongs to USA"

[boutons_deux]

1. Weird insults and curses. The Monty Python crew may have coined some of the best insults of the last 100 years: Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries. But for centuries the reigning master was Shakespeare: It is certain that when he makes water his urine is congealed ice. Had John Cleese or William Shakespeare lived in the Iron Age, though, some of the Bible writers might have given him a run for his money. Christians may scoot past these passages, but one hell-bound humorist used them to create a biblical curse generator (http://ship.saintsimeon.co.uk/curses/index.html).


She lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. Ezekiel 23:20 NIV
You will be pledged to be married to a woman, but another will take her and rape her. You will build a house, but you will not live in it. You will plant a vineyard, but you will not even begin to enjoy its fruit. Your ox will be slaughtered before your eyes, but you will eat none of it. Your donkey will be forcibly taken from you and will not be returned. Your sheep will be given to your enemies, and no one will rescue them. . . . The Lord will afflict your knees and legs with painful boils that cannot be cured, spreading from the soles of your feet to the top of your head. Deuteronomy 28:30-31,35


2. Awkwardly useless commandments. The Bible is chock-a-block with do’s and don’ts. Some of them are simply statements of universal ethical principles, like do to others what you would have them do to you, or don’t lie, or don’t covet your neighbor’s possessions. But from a moral standpoint most of them are simply useless or even embarrassing—especially if you think God could have used the space to say don’t have sex with anyone who doesn’t want you to, or wash your hands after you go to the bathroom.


Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material. Leviticus 19:19
Ye shall not round the corners of your heads. Leviticus 19:27


3. Silly food rules. The early Hebrews probably didn’t have an obesity epidemic like the one that has spread around the globe today. Even so, one might think that if an unchanging and eternal God were going to give out food rules he might have considered the earnest Middle-American believers who would be coming along in 2014. A little divine focus on amping up leafy green vegetables and avoiding sweets might have gone a long way. Instead, the Bible strictly forbids (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_animals_that_the_Bible_forbids_humans _to_eat) eating rabbit, shellfish, pork, weasels, scavengers, reptiles, and owls. As is, Christians simply ignore the eating advisories in the Old Testament, even though they claim that edicts like the Ten Commandments and the anti-queer clobber verses (http://www.religioustolerance.org/hombiblnt.htm) still apply.


All that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you. Leviticus 9:10
Thou shalt not boil a kid in its mother’s milk. Exodus 23:19


4. Holy hangups about genitals. God, or the Bible writers, is hung up about sexual anatomy in a way many modern Christians, fortunately, are not. In “The Year of Living Biblically,” the author, A.J. Jacobs, attempts to obey (http://www.asylum.com/2008/02/22/the-weirdest-and-toughest-laws-in-the-bible/) Mosaic laws about menstruation. When his wife finds out what those laws actually are, she gives him the middle finger by sitting on every chair in the house.


When a woman has a discharge, if her discharge in her body is blood, she shall continue in her menstrual impurity for seven days; and whoever touches her shall be unclean until evening. Everything also on which she lies during her menstrual impurity shall be unclean, and everything on which she sits shall be unclean. Leviticus 15: 19-20
When men fight with one another, and the wife of the one draws near to rescue her husband from the hand of him who is beating him, and puts out her hand and seizes him by the private parts, then you shall cut off her hand. Deuteronomy 25:11-12


5. God’s temper tantrums. Modern Christians may talk about God as a loving father, or even a Jesus buddy, the kind you’d want to play golf with, but in reality Bible-God goes out of his way to be intimidating. Worse, he appears to lose control of his temper at times, lashing out like an oversized thwarted three-year-old; and his earthly representatives—including Jesus—do the same.


Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys. 2 Kings 2:23-25 NIV
Early in the morning, as Jesus was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, “May you never bear fruit again!” Immediately the tree withered. Matthew 21:18-22 NIV


6. Times when the Bible God is worse than Satan. In the Bible, Satan is described as a roaring lion who prowls the earth, seeking whom he may devour. But if you actually read the stories, Satan doesn’t do much other than to tempt people into disobeying the dictates of Yahweh, who acts like a heavenly dictator with borderline personality disorder.

God, by contrast, professes his undying love, kindness and mercy, but then commands his minions to commit brutal atrocities when he isn’t up for it himself. Some of the stories are so bad even Hollywood, with its passion for glorious biblical sex and violence (http://awaypoint.wordpress.com/2014/04/17/after-noah-five-potential-blockbusters-from-the-book-of-genesis%ef%bb%bf%ef%bb%bf/), won’t touch them, especially the plentiful Bible stories about sexual slavery and human sacrifice.

http://www.salon.com/2014/05/31/11_kinds_of_bible_verses_christians_love_to_ignore _partner/

There was one collection of Biblical shit I can't find now, but one advice for Biblical invaders, warriors was something like "kill all the women, but keep the virgins for yourselves"

American Christians spend more time obsessing over the fucking crazy OT than the totally Good Words of NT.

Fundamental to Christianity's error is the exterior obsession with Christ rather than an interior obsession with their own spiritual, holistic development.

[pgardn]

I presented the catfish to the Pentecostal and he did not eatith it.

True story boots.

[Avante]

109 verses? news to me. Avante, your knowledge on Islam is limited

Right over there the book....ISLAM...which starts at the very beginning, what would you like to know? I have also read another 21 books on it, trust me guy I know Islam, ok? If you really think this is a religion of peace you're crazy, it's not.

How about this?

I. Introduction

A. Jihad Verse Selection Criteria
Each of the 164 Jihad verses in this list was selected based on how clearly and directly it spoke about Jihad, at least when considered in its immediate context. Most of the listed passages mention a military expedition, fighting, or distributing war spoils. Verses NOT generally listed are those that speak about aspects of Jihad other than the raiding, fighting and looting, such as:


Muhammad's poor opinion of those who did not go on Jihad, even though they were able-bodied and able financially (for instance, some verses in K 009:081-096),
The heavenly rewards for Jihadists, and
The many generic mentions of "victory" found in the Koran.

Such omitted verses can readily be found in proximity to the Jihad verses listed below.


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I have a great book...WHY I AM NOT A MUSLIM.....written by an x-Muslim, a guy who grew up in that world. he sees it differently than you do a does everything else I've read. You seem to have no clue what Islam really is.

[Avante]

This is bogus?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWZWOF4Znvc

[boutons_deux]

Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately.

But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.

-- Numbers 31:18


:lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

ISIS is based on the old Ottoman provinces. It's why they call it Levant because that is what Mehmed called it after he conquered it. I will agree that it is a version of Islam highly influenced by Hadith but the Hadith is about towers of naked people and the justifications for violence and are supposedly the word of their prophet.

They rose out of the southern mongol Khaganate which was a muslim state. It's more muslim than you are.

[Avante]

It's alway funny, how the Christians realize all that violence shit in their Bible was about another time another place, it has nothing to do with today, while the Muslims think Mohammd is still raiding caravans and beheading those dreaded infidels.

[ChumpDumper]

Do you know any Muslims personally, Avante?