This game is an example of of why I've been an advocate of Tony this season.

[midnightpulp]

People are deluded if they think we're beating the Warriors, or even the Clippers and Thunder with a two man attack (Kawhi + LMA) that relegates everyone else to a role player.

Every elite team has a better offensive 1-2 punch than us. Curry + Klay, Lebron + Kyrie, Blake + Paul, Durant + Westbrook. It could even be argued we have the weakest "Big 3" of the elite teams. We aren't winning jack shit if Tony is relegated to a 9-10ppg role player who just "Gibs the bawl to Kiwi :cry."

If Manu and Duncan were 5 years younger, by all means, Tony should be relegated. But like it or not, he's our 3rd best offensive player and he NEEDS to be a threat. This is basically Kawhi's rookie season as "the guy." He hasn't peaked yet offensively. Like other elite offensive players (most of whom were the offensive guy their first day in the league), it took them 2-3 years to really become that guy who can carry a team on their shoulders. Kawhi isn't there yet, and is probably a season or two off from hitting his offensive peak. LMA's been great, but that 33% shooting in last year's playoffs will be a worry. We need a 3rd guy who is a threat to drop 15-20 points somewhat consistently, and the only player really capable of that is Tony (when healthy).

And no, this ain't about retarded crew feuds. Kawhi is still the best overall player on this team, but he's going to need 2 or 3 guns by his side if we're to win this thing. Kawhi isn't just at the offensive level where he can average 30-35 points over a playoff series and make up the difference for teammates under-performing. Curry, Lebron, Durant and Westbrook are all at that level.

[dabom]

1 game sample size. Good luck with that faggot. :lmao

tony doesn't have the legs anymore faggot. Get that through your fucking head. :lmao

[spurraider21]

And no, this ain't about retarded crew feuds
impossibru

[Perry Mason]

1 game sample size. Good luck with that faggot. :lmao

tony doesn't have the legs anymore faggot. Get that through your fucking head. :lmao

The weak-minded resort to insults when they have no argument. There are clearly other games this year that required more scoring by TP to get the win.

Would you have rather lost tonight in pursuit of your agenda, or are you happy with the win and how the Spurs got there?

[ducks]

1 game sample size. Good luck with that faggot. :lmao

tony doesn't have the legs anymore faggot. Get that through your fucking head. :lmao on a back to back against good bigs

[Hoops Czar]

1 game sample size. Good luck with that faggot. :lmao

tony doesn't have the legs anymore faggot. Get that through your fucking head. :lmao

B-B-But dat Patty Mills looking more and more like Gary Neal by the day.

Bottom 5 poster of all time.

[anakha]

dabom meltdown in progress.

[TheGreatYacht]

Op is one of the best minds on here, tbh

[midnightpulp]

1 game sample size. Good luck with that faggot. :lmao

tony doesn't have the legs anymore faggot. Get that through your fucking head. :lmao

"Gib the bawl to Kiwi :cry"

[dabom]

The weak-minded resort to insults when they have no argument. There are clearly other games this year that required more scoring by TP to get the win.

Would you have rather lost tonight in pursuit of your agenda, or are you happy with the win and how the Spurs got there?

Did you not see my tony appreciation thread. Loved this game. OP is taking it overboard like usual. Low IQ posters. :lmao

[BD24]

Parker must have fucked Dafakengineers mom.

Never seen someone so salty that their "favorite team" won.

[Russ]

1 game sample size. Good luck with that faggot. :lmao

tony doesn't have the legs anymore faggot. Get that through your fucking head. :lmao

Daboom goes the dynamite!

W45DRy7M1no

[Rob123]

1 game sample size. Good luck with that faggot. :lmao

tony doesn't have the legs anymore faggot. Get that through your fucking head. :lmao

I cant figure out if this person is real. Surely no one is this retarded.

[midnightpulp]

impossibru

Nah, Kawhi is my second favorite Spur, but these retards who think we're winning anything with Parker reduced to Derek Fisher are massively stupid.

":cry He doesn't have the legs anymore."

Lol.

And Tim Duncan and Manu do? Who exactly is going to fill that role as the 3rd threat? Patty Mills, Danny Green, a raw Simmons? :lmao

They don't have to like it, I don't even really like it, but we have to live or die with Tony as number 3.

[dabom]

Daboom goes the dynamite!

W45DRy7M1no

:lol

[dabom]

Nah, Kawhi is my second favorite Spur, but these retards who think we're winning anything with Parker reduced to Derek Fisher are massively stupid.

":cry He doesn't have the legs anymore."

Lol.

And Tim Duncan and Manu do? Who exactly is going to fill that role as the 3rd threat? Patty Mills, Danny Green, a raw Simmons? :lmao

They don't have to like it, I don't even really like it, but we have to live or die with Tony as number 3.

Ball movement faggot. Manu and Tim and Diaw and Patty will be that 3rd best scorer at other times with Tony. You suggesting Tony be the 3rd all the time is fucking retarded. :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

dabom is really hurting tonight.

[Nathan89]

An aggressive Tony is essential to the success of the Spurs. It's the best way to get the easiest and most efficient shots. LMA and Kawhi can't initiate the offense like Tony or Manu.

[midnightpulp]

Ball movement faggot. Manu and Tim and Diaw and Patty will be that 3rd best scorer at other times with Tony. You suggesting Tony be the 3rd all the time is fucking retarded. :lmao

"Muh beautiful game."

This proves how stupid you are. Manu, Patty and Boris see most of their minutes with the second unit. The starters have to play a grind-it-out half court, defensive game due to their personnel, and in a half-court set, point guard scoring (or point guard's generating the offense off the PnR) is a big plus to have.

Unless you advocate Boris, Manu, and Patty playing with the starters more, in which case the defense would be :lol

Just stop posting.

[dabom]

Rk
Player
Age
G
GS
MP
FG
FGA ▾
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
2P
2PA
2P%
eFG%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


1
Kawhi Leonard (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01.html)
23
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01/gamelog/2015/)
7
250
52
109
.477
11
26
.423
41
83
.494
.528
27
35
.771
13
39
52
18
8
4
15
18
142


2
Tony Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html)
32
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01/gamelog/2015/)
7
210
33
91
.363
0
9
.000
33
82
.402
.363
10
17
.588
4
19
23
25
2
0
11
14
76


3
Tim Duncan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html)
38
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01/gamelog/2015/)
7
250
53
90
.589
0
1
.000
53
89
.596
.589
19
34
.559
19
59
78
23
9
10
7
26
125


4
Boris Diaw (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/diawbo01.html)
32
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/diawbo01/gamelog/2015/)
0
198
34
71
.479
4
18
.222
30
53
.566
.507
9
13
.692
13
30
43
25
5
3
9
24
81



How was Tony last year in the playoffs as the 2nd/3rd most FGs? Faggots. /thread :lmao

[Nathan89]

Thread is specifically about Tony this season.

[dabom]

Now that LMA is going to be fed in the playoffs, less shots in that starting lineup and we know Tim is always money in the playoffs. That's our top 3 scorers in a close series. :lmao

[midnightpulp]

Rk
Player
Age
G
GS
MP
FG
FGA ▾
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
2P
2PA
2P%
eFG%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


1
Kawhi Leonard (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01.html)
23
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01/gamelog/2015/)
7
250
52
109
.477
11
26
.423
41
83
.494
.528
27
35
.771
13
39
52
18
8
4
15
18
142


2
Tony Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html)
32
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01/gamelog/2015/)
7
210
33
91
.363
0
9
.000
33
82
.402
.363
10
17
.588
4
19
23
25
2
0
11
14
76


3
Tim Duncan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html)
38
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01/gamelog/2015/)
7
250
53
90
.589
0
1
.000
53
89
.596
.589
19
34
.559
19
59
78
23
9
10
7
26
125


4
Boris Diaw (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/diawbo01.html)
32
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/diawbo01/gamelog/2015/)
0
198
34
71
.479
4
18
.222
30
53
.566
.507
9
13
.692
13
30
43
25
5
3
9
24
81



How was Tony last year in the playoffs as the 2nd/3rd most FGs? Faggots. /thread :lmao

Last year :lol

That said, if Duncan has the legs, he's should be the usual number 3, but we can't always count on a 40 year old for that, and against certain teams, Tony being the number 3 will be a better matchup decision.

This all boils down to "Gib the bawl to Kiwi :cry"

[dabom]

As ElNono said, tony wasn't injured last playoffs or else he wouldn't have played in the Euros or whatever the fuck it was. Tony healthy didn't pull through you faggot cucks. :lmao

[dabom]

I'm tired debating with low IQ posters in this forum. :lmao

[dabom]

I'm sorry if I shit all over this thread. :lmao

[skulls138]

People are deluded if they think we're beating the Warriors, or even the Clippers and Thunder with a two man attack (Kawhi + LMA) that relegates everyone else to a role player.

Every elite team has a better offensive 1-2 punch than us. Curry + Klay, Lebron + Kyrie, Blake + Paul, Durant + Westbrook. It could even be argued we have the weakest "Big 3" of the elite teams. We aren't winning jack shit if Tony is relegated to a 9-10ppg role player who just "Gibs the bawl to Kiwi :cry."

If Manu and Duncan were 5 years younger, by all means, Tony should be relegated. But like it or not, he's our 3rd best offensive player and he NEEDS to be a threat. This is basically Kawhi's rookie season as "the guy." He hasn't peaked yet offensively. Like other elite offensive players (most of whom were the offensive guy their first day in the league), it took them 2-3 years to really become that guy who can carry a team on their shoulders. Kawhi isn't there yet, and is probably a season or two off from hitting his offensive peak. LMA's been great, but that 33% shooting in last year's playoffs will be a worry. We need a 3rd guy who is a threat to drop 15-20 points somewhat consistently, and the only player really capable of that is Tony (when healthy).

And no, this ain't about retarded crew feuds. Kawhi is still the best overall player on this team, but he's going to need 2 or 3 guns by his side if we're to win this thing. Kawhi isn't just at the offensive level where he can average 30-35 points over a playoff series and make up the difference for teammates under-performing. Curry, Lebron, Durant and Westbrook are all at that level.The success of this season still rests with the big three as much as it ever has despite the great offseason acquisitions and them exceeding all expectations.

[skulls138]

I'm sorry if I shit all over this thread. :lmaoDont be a dick

[ChumpDumper]

dabom is really hurting tonight.

[Hoops Czar]

Rk
Player
Age
G
GS
MP
FG
FGA ▾
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
2P
2PA
2P%
eFG%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


1
Kawhi Leonard (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01.html)
23
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01/gamelog/2015/)
7
250
52
109
.477
11
26
.423
41
83
.494
.528
27
35
.771
13
39
52
18
8
4
15
18
142


2
Tony Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html)
32
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01/gamelog/2015/)
7
210
33
91
.363
0
9
.000
33
82
.402
.363
10
17
.588
4
19
23
25
2
0
11
14
76


3
Tim Duncan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html)
38
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01/gamelog/2015/)
7
250
53
90
.589
0
1
.000
53
89
.596
.589
19
34
.559
19
59
78
23
9
10
7
26
125


4
Boris Diaw (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/diawbo01.html)
32
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/diawbo01/gamelog/2015/)
0
198
34
71
.479
4
18
.222
30
53
.566
.507
9
13
.692
13
30
43
25
5
3
9
24
81



How was Tony last year in the playoffs as the 2nd/3rd most FGs? Faggots. /thread :lmao

Dabom's futile attempt to move the goal posts while hoping nobody notices.

[midnightpulp]

As ElNono said, tony wasn't injured last playoffs or else he wouldn't have played in the Euros or whatever the fuck it was. Tony healthy didn't pull through you faggot cucks. :lmao

Last year :lol

Was LMA in his last year's lineup? His presence creates something called spacing. Why do you think Tony is having his best shooting season in years? Magic?

The starters can't play "da bootiful game :cry" very effectively, so if you want them to best other elite starting lineups, they're going to have grind-it-out with pick-and-rolls, post ups, mid-range shots, and penetration, which Tony still excels at.

But yeah, let's bring Manu and Patty in there cuz ball movement. :lol at those two checking Klay and Curry.

This is the way it works this year:

Starters: Grind-it-out.

Bench: Beautiful game.

Sure, you can stagger lineups, but I'd rather have our best defensive unit on the floor for the most minutes in the playoffs rather than lineups who can entertain you with ball movement.

2014 was nearly 2 years ago. Get over it.

[dabom]

Dabom's futile attempt to move the goal posts while hoping nobody notices.

How exactly faggot? Srs.

[dabom]

Last year :lol

Was LMA in his last year's lineup? His presence creates something called spacing. Why do you think Tony is having his best shooting season in years? Magic?

The starters can't play "da bootiful game :cry" very effectively, so if you want them to best other elite starting lineups, they're going to have grind-it-out with pick-and-rolls, post ups, mid-range shots, and penetration, which Tony still excels at.

But yeah, let's bring Manu and Patty in there cuz ball movement. :lol at those two checking Klay and Curry.

This is the way it works this year:

Starters: Grind-it-out.

Bench: Beautiful game.

Sure, you can stagger lineups, but I'd rather have our best defensive unit on the floor for the most minutes in the playoffs rather than lineups who can entertain you with ball movement.

2014 was nearly 2 years ago. Get over it.

This was just last year stupid fuck. And I didn't read your stupid reply. You don't make sense. I'm done with this shitty thread. :lmao

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Tony Parker is the best PG in the league.

[midnightpulp]

This was just last year stupid fuck. And I didn't read your stupid reply. You don't make sense. I'm done with this shitty thread. :lmao

Yeah, Kawhi outplaying Lebron in the Finals was "last year" too, before the next year in which he got outplayed by Matt Barnes.

Last year :lol

[Hoops Czar]

How exactly faggot? Srs.

Because nobody is talking about last year's Tony Parker. This year's version looks a lot better in all facets of his game. For some reason, that bothers you so you keep harping on last year's stats as if someone still gives a shit.

We've all had bad takes Dabom. Take the L and move on. Don't continue to bury yourself. And fwiw, the Spurs can't win a championship without a healthy and productive Tony Parker. Paddy isn't in Tony's stratosphere in terms of running the offense.

[anakha]

That faggot hotkey sure is getting a workout tonight.

[RD2191]

OP is a faggot.

[ChumpDumper]

lol hotkey krew

[YGWHI]

we're winning anything with Parker reduced to Derek Fisher are massively stupid.

And how many games the Spurs are going to win with Kawhi reduced to this role of taking less than 10 shots and scoring 7 points in 34 minutes?

It's obvious that Kawhi's not a finished product but...Is this the best way to develop his offense game, getting less and less shots?

[midnightpulp]

And how many games the Spurs are going to win with Kawhi reduced to this role of taking less than 10 shots and scoring 7 points in 34 minutes?

It's obvious that Kawhi's not a finished product but...Is this the best way to develop his offense game, getting less and less shots?

The '07 Spurs, a championship team, had Duncan only taking about 14 shots per game. Kawhi taking 10 shots per game isn't typical usage. When you factor in this team's pace, team ball style, and the amount of minutes their top players have played, Kawhi's usage is fine vis a vis his development. Also, Kawhi averages the most front court touches on the team aside from Parker (who would obviously have the most since he's a PG). On that point, Tony's front court touches are relatively low compared to other starting PGs.

[YGWHI]

The '07 Spurs, a championship team, had Duncan only taking about 14 shots per game. Kawhi taking 10 shots per game isn't typical usage. When you factor in this team's pace, team ball style, and the amount of minutes their top players have played, Kawhi's usage is fine vis a vis his development. Also, Kawhi averages the most front court touches on the team aside from Parker (who would obviously have the most since he's a PG). On that point, Tony's front court touches are relatively low compared to other starting PGs.

So the Spurs will play Parker like they did in 2007, Kawhi will take less than 10 shots per game, Parker more than 18...and we'll win many games, nice.

Except Parker's 34 not 26 like in 2007, Kawhi's 24 not 31 like Tim in 2007. Good luck with that.

[YGWHI]

The '07 Spurs, a championship team, had Duncan only taking about 14 shots per game. Kawhi taking 10 shots per game isn't typical usage. When you factor in this team's pace, team ball style, and the amount of minutes their top players have played, Kawhi's usage is fine vis a vis his development.

It's obvious that 31 years old Tim didn't need to develop his offense like Kawhi. Also, I disagree with you about the 10 FGA.
You can't help a player like Kawhi to take the next level in his game with less than 10 FGA per game treating him like he's just in his 3rd season...Sorry, but that sounds stupid.

[YGWHI]

Kawhi averages the most front court touches on the team aside from Parker (who would obviously have the most since he's a PG). On that point, Tony's front court touches are relatively low compared to other starting PGs.

Kawhi averages less FGA than Parker per minute on the court this season and that isn't related to Parker's PG spot.

[loveforthegame]

It's not even about shot attempts really. Parking Leonard at the 3 point line is a waste of his talent and development. It's ridiculous that he goes 5-6 minutes without even touching the ball. Many here kept saying it was perfect to save some of his energy or because he's our best 3 point shooter. Most nights he can get it going any time he wants but nights when he's struggling the only play they run for him his the alley oop.

[YGWHI]

It's not even about shot attempts really. Parking Leonard at the 3 point line is a waste of his talent and development. It's ridiculous that he goes 5-6 minutes without even touching the ball. Many here kept saying it was perfect to save some of his energy or because he's our best 3 point shooter. Most nights he can get it going any time he wants but nights when he's struggling the only play they run for him his the alley oop.

Well, midnightpulp thinks that's the best way to develop his game. Parking him as spot-up 3 shooter, take less than 10 FGA, and Parker scoring 31 points every game.

That's a truly sustainable ways to win games in the long run...Treat Parker like he's 26 now, and Kawhi like he's 30.

[YGWHI]

I know, people troll Apa and dabom for their bad threads but what's the difference with this thread?

OP makes a thread to celebrate that the best player on the team will be reduced to the corner three and less than 10 FGA per game...This board is ridiculous.

[ChumpDumper]

So sensitive.

[YGWHI]

So stupid.

Unsustainable.

[ChumpDumper]

So stupid.

Unsustainable.Who says it's meant to be sustained?

Who is calling for it to be sustained?

[SpursFan86]

Pretty sure no one is advocating for Leonard to take 7 shots a game.

[100%duncan]

I think I get your point but Im not sure this game is the perfect example imho. First of all, you cant expect Tony dropping 31 every game in the playoffs, let alone against the dubs defense, and even last year, he looked shitty against the Clippers( to be fair to him, he was injured.) Second, do you seriously expect to win in the playoffs against the elite teams when your best player just drops 7? Sure you might eek out a game or two but no, this won't win you more than a game against a good team on May.

For those too retarded to understand. My post is more on Kawhi's needed consistency more than anything else. I agree with Mid that we need Parker to be an elite or decent playmaker, but I dont agree with his example since it's rather unrealistic and not a winning formula against real contenders.

[PopTheGOAT]

"Gib the bawl to Kiwi :cry"
I lol'd tbh. But who fucking cares if the other teams have a better 1-2 punch? Spurs are better at everything else. Like 10 players that can score lol. I lol when people say GS has a better bench

[ChumpDumper]

First of all, you cant expect Tony dropping 31 every game in the playoffs, let alone against the dubs defenseWho is expecting this?

[YGWHI]

I think I get your point but Im not sure this game is the perfect example imho. First of all, you cant expect Tony dropping 31 every game in the playoffs, let alone against the dubs defense, and even last year, he looked shitty against the Clippers( to be fair to him, he was injured.) Second, do you seriously expect to win in the playoffs against the elite teams when your best player just drops 7? Sure you might eek out a game or two but no, this won't win you more than a game against a good team on May.

For those too retarded to understand. My post is more on Kawhi's needed consistency more than anything else. I agree with Mid that we need Parker to be an elite or decent playmaker, but I dont agree with his example since it's rather unrealistic and not a winning formula against real contenders.

You should know that the Spurs won a ring in 2007 with Tim taking less than 14 FGA and Parker dropping 30 points...

[PopTheGOAT]

Who is expecting this?
Interpreted: If Parker can average more than 8-9 a game, it helps the team. Perhaps, 12-13 a game. And I agree. Don't like the 1-2 punch argument tho

[Xevious]

I think Tony has been doing exactly what the Spurs need of him this year (no complaints, he's been great). It's nice that he can have a throwback game here and there, but this game is a L had we been playing a Western conference playoff team.

[midnightpulp]

Kawhi averages less FGA than Parker per minute on the court this season and that isn't related to Parker's PG spot.

He's getting the touches, though. Not Parker nor anyone else's fault if he doesnt shoot. That actually speaks to Kawhi's bball iq.

[midnightpulp]

I know, people troll Apa and dabom for their bad threads but what's the difference with this thread?

OP makes a thread to celebrate that the best player on the team will be reduced to the corner three and less than 10 FGA per game...This board is ridiculous.

I didn't suggest that all. I think I made it pretty clear that Parker should be the 3rd option in most cases (in certain match ups, Duncan is the better 3rd option).

[midnightpulp]

It's obvious that 31 years old Tim didn't need to develop his offense like Kawhi. Also, I disagree with you about the 10 FGA.
You can't help a player like Kawhi to take the next level in his game with less than 10 FGA per game treating him like he's just in his 3rd season...Sorry, but that sounds stupid.

Kawhi is averaging about 15 shots per game.

This just sounds like more "gib bawl to Kiwi" whining.

[midnightpulp]

I lol'd tbh. But who fucking cares if the other teams have a better 1-2 punch? Spurs are better at everything else. Like 10 players that can score lol. I lol when people say GS has a better bench

Role players are typically inconsistent in the playoffs. The beautiful game team ball heights the Spurs reached in 2014 is not typical. My argument is that since teams have a better 1-2 punch, we need to have a better 1-4 punch, and with Parker playing the way he is, I believe our top 4 guys are better than the top 4 guys of other contenders. Removing parker from that equation by giving patty more minutes or turning him into derek fisher is counterproductive.

[100%duncan]

Who is expecting this?

? can you read my whole post? Mid used an example of a very unrealistic game. Do I need to explain much?

[ChumpDumper]

? can you read my whole post? Mid used an example of a very unrealistic game. Do I need to explain much?Did you read his whole post? He neither expected nor called for this to be the norm.

[YGWHI]

I think Tony has been doing exactly what the Spurs need of him this year (no complaints, he's been great). It's nice that he can have a throwback game here and there, but this game is a L had we been playing a Western conference playoff team.

Parker scoring 30 ppg is a well-proven and successful formula for winning a title, the Spurs did it 8 years ago.

Also, Parker looked so good this season against Beverley, Westbrook, and the rest of playoffs teams in the West. On other hand Kawhi was horrible averaging just 21 points vs Rockets and scoring 32 vs Thunder.

The Spurs just need that kid to score only 7 ppg and let Parker get his 31 and we'll win every game.

[Aztecfan03]

Did you read his whole post? He neither expected nor called for this to be the norm.
I am really wondering if him and others did read it.

[ChumpDumper]

The Spurs just need that kid to score only 7 ppg and let Parker get his 31 and we'll win every game.Seriously, who do you think is actually saying this?

[100%duncan]

Did you read his whole post? He neither expected nor called for this to be the norm.

Yes I did. He didn't comment on how this game is unrealistic and that this level of Parker is not sustainable. And yet, his title uses it as his example. Don't worry as I said, this ain't no slight on Parker. :lol

[YGWHI]

He's getting the touches, though. Not Parker nor anyone else's fault if he doesnt shoot. That actually speaks to Kawhi's bball iq.

He isn't getting the touches in the last games, like loveforthegame said he doesn't even touch the ball for 5 or 6 minutes in a quarter.

[YGWHI]

I didn't suggest that all. I think I made it pretty clear that Parker should be the 3rd option in most cases (in certain match ups, Duncan is the better 3rd option).

Since you're using this game as example of the way that Parker should be used, and he doubled Kawhi's FGA...I'm not sure how he's the 3rd option in your mind.

In fact, he isn't the 3rd option since he takes more attempts than Kawhi in less minutes in the last games.

[DenialTwist]

He isn't getting the touches in the last games, like loveforthegame said he doesn't even touch the ball for 5 or 6 minutes in a quarter.

I remember last season when Sean ****** even talked about that. Particularly, the Rockets at Spurs game when Parker took a lot of shots and Kawhi was basically iced out of the offense. This is not a good sign. It's not just KL but LMA shouldn't go for long stretches without touching the ball. In the Knicks game, Manu even talked about it and said they should have let LMA take more shots in the 4th quarter. Just like I saw on r/nba, sometimes you just have to say fuck ball movement (when it's not working) and let your best players do their thing and score.

[midnightpulp]

...

[steeledl]

Since you're using this game as example of the way that Parker should be used, and he doubled Kawhi's FGA...I'm not sure how he's be the 3rd option in your mind.

In fact, he isn't the 3rd option since he takes more attempts than Kawhi in less minutes in the last games.

The reason Kawhi gets iced out of the offense at times is because he is really just a jump shooter/post up player. He can't create for others in the way that Tony or Manu can when they have the ball in their hands. Sure we could go down and throw it into Kawhi in the post every time but in the long run we will be worse for it and the offense would be stagnant. He has to get his shots in the flow of the game and that means the occasional post ups for him and taking open jumpers created by others.

The biggest parts of his game that he needs to improve this off season if he wants to take that next step is becoming a better ball handler and creator.... then you would see more offense ran through him.

[loveforthegame]

He's getting the touches, though. Not Parker nor anyone else's fault if he doesnt shoot. That actually speaks to Kawhi's bball iq.

I have to disagree here a bit. Sure Leonard has passed up some shots (who hasn't) he should have taken but no way is he involved the way he was say a month ago. I think it's the same argument we had early in the season when Aldridge was not involved.

They're making an effort to get Aldridge going early and often. He's doing crazy work too. It's hard to complain. But I am concerned with Leonard being parked at the 3 point line. Most nights it's not an issue because Leonard's shown he can get hot at any time. But it's a glaring problem when he's struggling. A bad habit even when he's on. What plays do they run for him? The alley oop. His post ups are almost non existent recently as well.

How many teams plant their best player at the 3 point line? It's absolutely frustrating.

[ChumpDumper]

Yes I did. He didn't comment on how this game is unrealistic and that this level of Parker is not sustainable. And yet, his title uses it as his example. Don't worry as I said, this ain't no slight on Parker. :lolSo he didn't say it was realistic or sustainable at all. :tu

[dabom]

These porker faggots still in here holding that loss.

Thread was over after I shat all over OP and catcrew.:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

lol dabom still melting down hours later

[YGWHI]

I remember last season when Sean ****** even talked about that. Particularly, the Rockets at Spurs game when Parker took a lot of shots and Kawhi was basically iced out of the offense. This is not a good sign. It's not just KL but LMA shouldn't go for long stretches without touching the ball. In the Knicks game, Manu even talked about it and said they should have let LMA take more shots in the 4th quarter. Just like I saw on r/nba, sometimes you just have to say fuck ball movement (when it's not working) and let your best players do their thing and score.

You're so wrong.
In Washington, after dropping 18 points in the first half Kawhi touched the ball just once, twice...and it was great. He went could in the 4th and the team lost that game.

In Christmas game, Kawhi didn't even touch the ball in the whole 3rd quarter against Harden and it was fantastic, Parker missed shots in that quarter, and again, Kawhi went completely cold in the 4th.

That's the best way to play a young player...Don't give him the ball for an entire quarter! :tu

[ChumpDumper]

You player fans are really emotional tonight.

[midnightpulp]

Since you're using this game as example of the way that Parker should be used, and he doubled Kawhi's FGA...I'm not sure how he's be the 3rd option in your mind.

In fact, he isn't the 3rd option since he takes more attempts than Kawhi in less minutes in the last games.

Sometimes 3rd options turn into 1st options depending on the situation/matchup, etc.

Kawhi has to carry a HUGE load on defense. Tony being able to relieve him at times is big advantage to not only him but the team.

I'm not sure what you want? Ever since the Big 3 era, there's times when the star player (Duncan in the past) will get limited shot attempts/touches. If you think the Spurs can win a championship with predictable shit like force feeding Kawhi in the post or just throwing the ball to him to go one-on-one, you're living in fantasy land. Kawhi isn't Kevin Durant, Lebron James, prime Kobe Bryant, etc. He's indeed a good all around offensive player right now, but he isn't someone who can win a duel with Curry like those players could, no matter the touches.

I see a matchup with Golden State going like this:

- Kawhi loses the scoring duel with Curry.
- LMA (hopefully) equalizes Thompson.
- Duncan probably loses his duel with Green.

So where's that extra scoring punch going to come from? Manu is too inconsistent at his age and miles to count on 15ppg+. Role players? They got good role players, too. Tony has to be that guy who can potentially go off for 25 points in a key game and average 15-17ppg over the series.

[steeledl]

Sometimes 3rd options turn into 1st options depending on the situation/matchup, etc.

Kawhi has to carry a HUGE load on defense. Tony being able to relieve him at times is big advantage to not only him but the team.

I'm not sure what you want? Ever since the Big 3 era, there's times when the star player (Duncan in the past) will get limited shot attempts/touches. If you think the Spurs can win a championship with predictable shit like force feeding Kawhi in the post or just throwing the ball to him to go one-on-one, you're living in fantasy land. Kawhi isn't Kevin Durant, Lebron James, prime Kobe Bryant, etc. He's indeed a good all around offensive player right now, but he isn't someone who can win a duel with Curry like those players could, no matter the touches.

I see a matchup with Golden State going like this:

- Kawhi loses the scoring duel with Curry.
- LMA (hopefully) equalizes Thompson.
- Duncan probably loses his duel with Green.

So where's that extra scoring punch going to come from? Manu is too inconsistent at his age and miles to count on 15ppg+. Role players? They got good role players, too. Tony has to be that guy who can potentially go off for 25 points in a key game and average 15-17ppg over the series.

[midnightpulp]

I have to disagree here a bit. Sure Leonard has passed up some shots (who hasn't) he should have taken but no way is he involved the way he was say a month ago. I think it's the same argument we had early in the season when Aldridge was not involved.

They're making an effort to get Aldridge going early and often. He's doing crazy work too. It's hard to complain. But I am concerned with Leonard being parked at the 3 point line. Most nights it's not an issue because Leonard's shown he can get hot at any time. But it's a glaring problem when he's struggling. A bad habit even when he's on. What plays do they run for him? The alley oop. His post ups are almost non existent recently as well.

How many teams plant their best player at the 3 point line? It's absolutely frustrating.

Check my latest reply to YGWHI.

This is the Spurs. Players cycling scoring roles (going from number one option to number three and back again) has been happening all throughout the Big 3 era.

I also don't want to see Kawhi overused in the post. This isn't 2010.

[dabom]

Rk
Player
Age
G
GS
MP
FG
FGA ▾
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
2P
2PA
2P%
eFG%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


1
Kawhi Leonard (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01.html)
23
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01/gamelog/2015/)
7
250
52
109
.477
11
26
.423
41
83
.494
.528
27
35
.771
13
39
52
18
8
4
15
18
142


2
Tony Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html)
32
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01/gamelog/2015/)
7
210
33
91
.363
0
9
.000
33
82
.402
.363
10
17
.588
4
19
23
25
2
0
11
14
76


3
Tim Duncan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html)
38
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01/gamelog/2015/)
7
250
53
90
.589
0
1
.000
53
89
.596
.589
19
34
.559
19
59
78
23
9
10
7
26
125


4
Boris Diaw (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/diawbo01.html)
32
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/diawbo01/gamelog/2015/)
0
198
34
71
.479
4
18
.222
30
53
.566
.507
9
13
.692
13
30
43
25
5
3
9
24
81



How was Tony last year in the playoffs as the 2nd/3rd most FGs? Faggots. /thread :lmao

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

dabom still shitting himself after Tony shat on him.

[YGWHI]

The reason Kawhi gets iced out of the offense at times is because he is really just a jump shooter/post up player. He can't create for others in the way that Tony or Manu can when they have the ball in their hands. Sure we could go down and throw it into Kawhi in the post every time but in the long run we will be worse for it and the offense would be stagnant. He has to get his shots in the flow of the game and that means the occasional post ups for him and taking open jumpers created by others.

The biggest parts of his game that he needs to improve this off season if he wants to take that next step is becoming a better ball handler and creator.... then you would see more offense ran through him.

That's stupid. Nobody wants that Kawhi touches the ball in every possessions but I can't help if you think it's reasonable that he doesn't get touches in 6 or 7 minutes of a quarter.

Also, if "he's just a jump shooter/post up player" they should play him as one. How many post-up plays they have called for him in the last games? His offensive role has been reduced to a three spot up shooter and he's not that player.

[steeledl]

That's stupid. Nobody wants that Kawhi touches the ball in every possessions but I can't help if you think it's reasonable that he doesn't get touches in 6 or 7 minutes of a quarter.

Also, if "he's just a jump shooter/post up player" they should play him as one. How many post-up plays they have called for him in the last games? His offensive role has been reduced to a three spot up shooter and he's not that player.

It's really hard to work that into our offense when he is logging a lot of minutes with Duncan, LMAlpha, and West. Those likeups don't lend their self to a small forward in the post. Plus, it just isn't our offensive philosophy. Maybe they could do it more.... but not much more without it having a negative effect on the offense or having to adjust lineups.

Personally, because Kawhi has such a mid range game I'd like to see the Spurs run him of multiple screens a couple times a game to get him open looks but I also know that he would expend more energy doing so and it might hurt his defense.

[YGWHI]

I'm not sure what you want?

You know what I said. Kawhi's still developing his game and needs the touches to do it every night and not be iced 5-6 minutes a quarter.


Tony has to be that guy who can potentially go off for 25 points in a key game and average 15-17ppg over the series.

If Parker averages 17ppg over the series that means Kawhi takes a lot less shots than him and scores 7 points. You know that they can't coexist as 17-18 ppg guys on the court.

Even if Kawhi loses the scoring duel with Curry, one thing is losing that 20-25 and other is 7-25.

I know, it's hard to believe for you this...but the Spurs won't win in playoffs with Kawhi scoring less than 10 points or taking less than 10 FGA.

[loveforthegame]

I also don't want to see Kawhi overused in the post. This isn't 2010.

Me neither. But it's a good option to get him going. He has the mismatch more than not. Others are being posted up so why not Leonard? He's been much better dealing with double and triple teams though he could improve there.

We're in agreement more than not too. I don't want or expect Leonard to get all the touches or shot attempts. I agree 2-3 guys sharing the scoring load is key against most teams.

My issue, and sorry I feel like a broken record, is parking Leonard at the 3 point line. Pop has an entire playbook at his disposal and an alley oop play is all he can come up for Leonard?

[Spurtacular]

OP may not be a krew thread; but most the responders are. The sh** one must wade through in this forum....

[Nathan89]

If Kawhi had more cutters and shooters surrounding him then he could better create with his postup game.

[Spurtacular]

Rk
Player
Age
G
GS
MP
FG
FGA ▾
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
2P
2PA
2P%
eFG%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


1
Kawhi Leonard (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01.html)
23
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01/gamelog/2015/)
7
250
52
109
.477
11
26
.423
41
83
.494
.528
27
35
.771
13
39
52
18
8
4
15
18
142


2
Tony Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html)
32
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01/gamelog/2015/)
7
210
33
91
.363
0
9
.000
33
82
.402
.363
10
17
.588
4
19
23
25
2
0
11
14
76


3
Tim Duncan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html)
38
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01/gamelog/2015/)
7
250
53
90
.589
0
1
.000
53
89
.596
.589
19
34
.559
19
59
78
23
9
10
7
26
125


4
Boris Diaw (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/diawbo01.html)
32
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/diawbo01/gamelog/2015/)
0
198
34
71
.479
4
18
.222
30
53
.566
.507
9
13
.692
13
30
43
25
5
3
9
24
81



How was Tony last year in the playoffs as the 2nd/3rd most FGs? Faggots. /thread :lmao

TP was playing with injuries last season. This season has been different. The eye test could tell you the reality. Krewmen don't care about reality, tbh.

[ChumpDumper]

You know what I said. Kawhi's still developing his game and needs the touches to do it every night and not be iced 5-6 minutes a quarter.



If Parker averages 17ppg over the series that means Kawhi takes a lot less shots than him and scores 7 points. You know that they can't coexist as 17-18 ppg guys on the court.

Even if Kawhi loses the scoring duel with Curry, one thing is losing that 20-25 and other is 7-25.

I know, it's hard to believe for you this...but the Spurs won't win in playoffs with Kawhi scoring less than 10 points or taking less than 10 FGA.You must be exhausted after building about 20 straw men tonight.

[Splits]

:lol Mid actually responding to the stupidest people on the interwebs

[dabom]

:lol Mid actually responding to the stupidest people on the interwebs

Took you a while to reply faggot. Can't deny anything? :lmao

[dabom]

TP was playing with injuries last season. This season has been different. The eye test could tell you the reality. Krewmen don't care about reality, tbh.

He wasn't injured for the playoffs. Played all his minutes and then played the Euros. Dude was just a fucking turd. No if and or buts. :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

dabom shitting himself for hours on end, well into the morning.

Parker's great game broke him.

[Splits]

Took you a while to reply faggot. Can't deny anything? :lmao

:lol acknowledgement

shit, I just pulled a Mid

[steeledl]

Are Krew members just a product of the Skip Bayless sports generation or has it always been like this on sports forums? I've been on forums for a long time but I don't really remember it being like this way back when.

Skip Bayless style is essentially to pick a player/team to support and anytime they do something well he pats himself on the back and when they do something poor he deflects, minimizes, and passes blame onto others. He becomes so one sides in his views that he loses all objectivity... and will hold to his original stance even if faced with a mountain of evidence. it seems like this has run pretty rampant here.

[dabom]

:lol acknowledgement

shit, I just pulled a Mid

:lol

[midnightpulp]

You know what I said. Kawhi's still developing his game and needs the touches to do it every night and not be iced 5-6 minutes a quarter.



If Parker averages 17ppg over the series that means Kawhi takes a lot less shots than him and scores 7 points. You know that they can't coexist as 17-18 ppg guys on the court.

Even if Kawhi loses the scoring duel with Curry, one thing is losing that 20-25 and other is 7-25.

I know, it's hard to believe for you this...but the Spurs won't win in playoffs with Kawhi scoring less than 10 points or taking less than 10 FGA.

Lol no. Tony is averaging 12.3ppg right now on about 10 shots per game. He can average 15-17 points per game on 13-16 shots. If he's in top health, he'll play more minutes in that series than he is now (as all starters tend to do). We'll also play at a higher pace going against Golden State (we'll try to control the pace, indeed, but a series against them will still naturally be played at a higher pace). There's plenty of shots to go around for our top 3/4 guys.

I wouldn't be alarmed at Kawhi's lack of shot attempts right now. Like I've said, this kind of rotating has been happening for a decade now.

[YGWHI]

It's really hard to work that into our offense when he is logging a lot of minutes with Duncan, LMAlpha, and West. Those likeups don't lend their self to a small forward in the post. Plus, it just isn't our offensive philosophy. Maybe they could do it more.... but not much more without it having a negative effect on the offense or having to adjust lineups.

The Spurs should give the ball to Kawhi in the post because he's a permanent mismatches creator there, for himself and others. He was one of the most efficient post-player in the game this season, over .80%, and the team stopped using him.


Personally, because Kawhi has such a mid range game I'd like to see the Spurs run him of multiple screens a couple times a game to get him open looks but I also know that he would expend more energy doing so and it might hurt his defense.

Kawhi still takes mid jumps in a game, why not giving him open looks even if he expends some energy instead of bad/contested shots...

Young players build his confidence on the offensive end and it would be better if he sees the ball going in than not.

[dabom]

dabom shitting himself for hours on end, well into the morning.

Parker's great game broke him.

I'm done with this thread again. Came for the laughs. :lmao

[midnightpulp]

Me neither. But it's a good option to get him going. He has the mismatch more than not. Others are being posted up so why not Leonard? He's been much better dealing with double and triple teams though he could improve there.

We're in agreement more than not too. I don't want or expect Leonard to get all the touches or shot attempts. I agree 2-3 guys sharing the scoring load is key against most teams.

My issue, and sorry I feel like a broken record,is parking Leonard at the 3 point line. Pop has an entire playbook at his disposal and an alley oop play is all he can come up for Leonard?

Leonard is pretty lethal from the "Bowen spot." It's a triple threat position for him. He can take the 3, pull up for a jumper, or drive it. I agree Pop can design some more sets from him, but it's a 2 way street as well. Kawhi sometimes lacks aggressiveness and decisiveness. We have to remember this is his first year really being an "offensive" player.

That eye infection (missed training camp) and then the mid-season injury last year derailed some of his offensive development.

[AFMadison]

Has a thread been created about posters who need to be pinked?

[midnightpulp]

The Spurs should give the ball to Kawhi in the post because he's a permanent mismatches creator there, for himself and others. He was one of the most efficient post-player in the game this season, over .80%, and the team stopped using him.



Kawhi still takes mid jumps in a game, why not giving him open looks even if he expends some energy instead of bad/contested shots...

Young players build his confidence on the offensive end and it would be better if he sees the ball going in than not.

"Slow play equals death."

- Rick Carlisle

Kawhi will get swarmed to death by a team like Golden State in the post. The Jordan/Kobe style mid-post game is pretty much a relic now. Defenses are too fast and long now. Kawhi has been an efficient post-player because he's not overused there.

Compare his post touches with someone like Kobe, who still thinks we're in the 00s.

For Kawhi to become a truly elite offensive player, he needs to add a much more solid dribble-drive game.

[Spurtacular]

He wasn't injured for the playoffs. Played all his minutes and then played the Euros. Dude was just a fucking turd. No if and or buts. :lmao

You really think TP was anywhere near 100 percent for the Clips series?

[YGWHI]

There's plenty of shots to go around for our top 3/4 guys.
If something we learned about Parker's 20/30 points games is that Kawhi has a limited role in those games.

Other teams can have two perimeter guys and a big scoring points, with Parker we can't, it's just him in a two-man-game with a bigman/Tim before/LMA now.


I wouldn't be alarmed at Kawhi's lack of shot attempts right now
Good for you.

[dabom]

35 year old kobe was first all nba team. Imagine in his prime. :lmao

[dabom]

You really think TP was anywhere near 100 percent for the Clips series?

What do you think? If he wasn't, he would have taken the summer off faggot. :lmao

[steeledl]

"Slow play equals death."

- Rick Carlisle

Kawhi will get swarmed to death by a team like Golden State in the post. The Jordan/Kobe style mid-post game is pretty much a relic now. Defenses are too fast and long now. Kawhi has been an efficient post-player because he's not overused there.

Compare his post touches with someone like Kobe, who still thinks we're in the 00s.

For Kawhi to become a truly elite offensive player, he needs to add a much more solid dribble-drive game.


It's hard to doubt Kawhi because of the work and growth he has already displayed in his young NBA career.... but I'm not sure he has the lateral quickness or natural ball handling skills to get to that elite level \dribble drive. He can certainly improve though and I agree that is where his game needs the most work.

[dabom]

Low IQ posters want a perfect player even when he is the 2nd best player in the NBA at 24 years old. Kawhi is in ELITE company.

[YGWHI]

Kawhi will get swarmed to death by a team like Golden State in the post.
Are you talking about the guy who scored 19 and 26 points posting over Thompson Barnes and Iguodala last year? 22 without the Big 3 two years ago...

I can see Kawhi getting the double teamed if they play Iggy/Barnes and Draymond as center instead of Bogut like they did in the Finals for long minutes, but I can't see this team giving him the ball to make it happen.

If Parker can't recognize a favorable matchup and give him the ball against Harden this season, I don't expect they'll do against Warriors.

[dabom]

Are you talking about the guy who scored 26 points posting over Thompson Barnes and Iguodala last year? 19 in the first game, 22 without the Big 3 two years ago...

I can see Kawhi getting the double team if they play Draymond as center instead of Bogut like they did in the Finals for long minutes, but I can't see this team giving him the ball to make it happen.

If Parker can't recognize a favorable matchup and give him the ball against Harden this season, I don't expect they'll do against Warriors.

Mid is a shitty poster bro. I can't believe he is serious with his shitty takes. :lmao

[midnightpulp]

If something we learned about Parker's 20/30 points games is that Kawhi has a limited role in those games.

Other teams can have two perimeter guys and a big scoring points, with Parker we can't, it's just him in a two-man-game with a bigman/Tim before/LMA now.


Good for you.

Checking out the various games on BBRef from last season, I'd say Kawhi's was about on his season PPG average in games where Tony scored 20-30 points.

You do realize also that the attention Kawhi gets opens things up for Tony?

I get it, Kawhi is your favorite player, but if the goal is to win a title, Tony is going to have to be a big part of the offense. There's no way around it. We aren't beating the Warriors with Kawhi getting 20+ shots per game. And don't say, but he might only get less than 10 :cry

You and I both know that isn't going to happen unless Kawhi is triple teamed every time down or Pop has lost his mind.

[Spurtacular]

What do you think? If he wasn't, he would have taken the summer off faggot. :lmao

He had rest between the playoffs and the summer games, dude.

Anyhow, the eye test shows it. The difference between TP last season and this season is obvious to any non cuck.

[YGWHI]

Mid is a shitty poster bro. I can't believe he is serious with his shitty takes. :lmao

I try not to judge posters by their bad takes, but a guy who says Parker should be the 3rd option and then uses this game as example is very confused.

[midnightpulp]

Are you talking about the guy who scored 19 and 26 points posting over Thompson Barnes and Iguodala last year? 22 without the Big 3 two years ago...

I can see Kawhi getting the double teamed if they play Iggy/Barnes and Draymond as center instead of Bogut like they did in the Finals for long minutes, but I can't see this team giving him the ball to make it happen.

If Parker can't recognize a favorable matchup and give him the ball against Harden this season, I don't expect they'll do against Warriors.

Kawhi wasn't forcefed in the post in those games.

Look how many shots he made at the basket the last time we played them:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/shot-chart/201504050SAS.html

:lol And when does Harden guard Kawhi? Ariza guards him when we play the Rockets. They hide Harden on Green.

And about good match ups vs. Golden State:

http://i64.tinypic.com/eqdowo.jpg

[midnightpulp]

Gib bawl to Kiwi :cry

[midnightpulp]

I try not to judge posters by their bad takes, but a guy who says Parker should be the 3rd option and then uses this game as example is very confused.

Jesus you're fuckin' stupid. How many times did Manu outscore/outshoot Tim and Tony when he was the 3rd option? Or Tony outscore Manu and Tim when he was the 3rd option? Or Duncan outscore Kawhi and Tony?

And if anything, this game backs up my idea (along with Tony's solid play this season) more than ever before that Tony needs to be that 3rd option scorer if Kawhi/LMA are unproductive in a game. You and your fucktarded brethren want Tony relegated to a Derek Fisher role and/or want to see him injured so a bench warrior like Mills can take his place (great idea :tu).

It's clear now. You're a Kawhi fanboy who simply wants to see Tony's role diminished so the team can "gib bawl to Kiwi :cry" more.

Cool. You want to see Kawhi average 25 points per game. I want this team to win the title.

[YGWHI]

I get it, Kawhi is your favorite player
Wrong, It's DRob for my father. And Tim. Then Kawhi.
I'm going to act like you care about this...When I made my account I had other nickname in my mind -the same I had on twitter- but after read Kawhi's insane criticism in those days on ST, picked this one.


We aren't beating the Warriors with Kawhi getting 20+ shots per game
Yep. Because we'll win with Parker 19 FGA...

[YGWHI]

And when does Harden guard Kawhi? Ariza guards him when we play the Rockets.

In the game in Houston. For 7 minutes in the 3rd quarter.

[midnightpulp]

Wrong, It's DRob for my father. And Tim. Then Kawhi.
I'm going to act like you care about this...When I made my account I had other nickname in my mind -the same I had on twitter- but after read Kawhi's insane criticism in those days on ST, picked this one.


Yep. Because we'll win with Parker 19 FGA...

When did I advocate that?

"Gib bawl to Kiwi :cry."

That's pretty much all this boils down to.

[YGWHI]

You and your fucktarded brethren want Tony relegated to a Derek Fisher role and/or want to see him injured so a bench warrior like Mills can take his place.

Are you crazy? Getting mad? :lol I barely post about Parker or in Parker's threads. I posted just a few comments last weeks about him and his need to improve his court vision/playmakers skills.


You want to see Kawhi average 25 points per game. I want this team to win the title
Wrong again. I want this team to give Kawhi the chance to develop his game instead of being iced for entire quarters. Kawhi being the best player he can be will help to win a title.

[YGWHI]

When did I advocate that?

Using this game as example in your posts. And 2007 Spurs run.

[Arcadian]

The Spurs are not a "two man attack" and no reasonable person ever suggested that. It's the system involving everyone that makes the team so great. That and amazing frontcourt depth. Nobody can compete with this frontcourt of Leonard/Aldridge/Duncan/Diaw/West/Boban/Simmons.

The beauty of the Spurs is that there is always someone else to step up when someone else slacks. Leonard has an off shooting night? Parker scores 26. Aldridge has a bad game? Diaw gives us 18 off the bench. Duncan plays like he's actually a 39 year old man? Boban has his back. Patty Mills and Danny Green can't find their shot? Manu has just enough left in the tank for the occasional scoring outburst.

It's the depth that will win a championship. Just like 2014. Except better.

[Splits]

I barely post about Parker or in Parker's threads

:lmao

[YGWHI]

:lmao

Before this thread, the thread comparing Kawhi evolution to Parker's, and one about OP's screenshots justifying Parker last shot against Knicks...my Parker's post average was way less than 0 per day in six months.

[midnightpulp]

In the game in Houston. For 7 minutes in the 3rd quarter.

Just fast forwarded through that quarter. Harden guarded Kawhi for 13 possessions from about the 6:60 min mark to the 1 min mark. Tony actually hit him 2 out first 3 possessions. Tony was subbed out at 5:23 for "MVPatty." In total, they went to Kawhi 7 times out of 13. During the sequence, Patty ignored Kawhi 3 times and Boris ignored him once. Each time, Kawhi was in a perfect spot to exploit the mismatch.

"Blame Tony!"

This is why Mills isn't a starter. Worse tunnel vision than Parker.

[midnightpulp]

Before this thread, the thread comparing Kawhi evolution to Parker's, and one about OP's screenshots justifying Parker last shot against Knicks...my Parker's post average was way less than 0 per day in six months.

Are you dumb? I criticized that shot to no end. The play itself wasn't too bad (wasn't a great play) since it got Tony one-on-one with Porzingis and an lane to drive, but he inexplicably took the dumbass jumper.

[YGWHI]

And when does Harden guard Kawhi? Ariza guards him when we play the Rockets. They hide Harden on Green


Harden guarded Kawhi for 13 possessions from about the 6:60 min mark to the 1 min mark.

So confused.

[YGWHI]

I criticized that shot to no end.

Damn...Did you really do it?

"Kawhi-Bowen role" "but he might only get less than 10 :cry"

[midnightpulp]

Using this game as example in your posts. And 2007 Spurs run.

I brought up the 2007 run to show you an example of the best player on a deep title team (Duncan) taking about 14 shots per game (Kawhi is at 14.9 this season). Note: Duncan was still the highest usage player on the team and took the most shots, so I don't know where you're getting the idea of how that relates to me advocating Parker getting 19 shots per game this season.

I still don't think you understand how I am using this game as an example. See, when you have a deep team with 4 or 5 legitimate scorers, there's times where one or two of those scorers will have an off night or be limited, so to compensate, a player lower on the totem pole has to step up and pick up the slack. Parker being a threat for a 25/30 point game will be a huge weapon to have against other deep teams like Golden State. That's how team sports work. I'm not advocating Parker be first in the pecking order, but in some cases he's going to have to be.

I might change my mind about his 3rd scorer role if Duncan and/or Manu get into a groove, but I'm not counting on that due to their age and roles.

I hope I spoke clearly enough for you to understand. Everyone else seemed to catch onto what I was implying rather quickly.

[midnightpulp]

So confused.

Ignoring everything I said to deflect with a technicality.

For 95% of the game Ariza or Brewer was on Kawhi. Harden guards Kawhi so rarely, I don't bother to remember.

I agree, though, that when Harden is on Kawhi, he should get the ball nearly every time, but Parker wasn't the one doing the ignoring.

What now?

[pookenstein]

The Spurs are not a "two man attack" and no reasonable person ever suggested that. It's the system involving everyone that makes the team so great. That and amazing frontcourt depth. Nobody can compete with this frontcourt of Leonard/Aldridge/Duncan/Diaw/West/Boban/Simmons.

The beauty of the Spurs is that there is always someone else to step up when someone else slacks. Leonard has an off shooting night? Parker scores 26. Aldridge has a bad game? Diaw gives us 18 off the bench. Duncan plays like he's actually a 39 year old man? Boban has his back. Patty Mills and Danny Green can't find their shot? Manu has just enough left in the tank for the occasional scoring outburst.

It's the depth that will win a championship. Just like 2014. Except better.

:tu

[midnightpulp]

Damn...Did you really do it?

"Kawhi-Bowen role" "but he might only get less than 10 :cry"

How much clearer do I have to be?


The last shot Parker took (which wasn't from a PnR set) was God awful and exemplified "Enrique" and "Hero ball." He took an LMA pass, and off an LMA pick (it still wasn't a PnR play) launched a stupid 18 footer with 7 seconds left on the shot clock as Porzingis was running toward him. Just a brain dead fuckin' play. If this were the playoffs, and that decision had cost us the game, I would be going nuclear on Parker right now.

When I looked at the play closer, it did seem to get the Spurs an advantageous match-up, but Tony managed to fuck it up.

And what's with this Bowen-Role?

I guess it's due to your poor reading comprehension skills, but me saying Kawhi excels from the Bowen spot is not the same fuckin' thing as me saying he should be in the Bowen role.

[YGWHI]

I brought up the 2007 run to show you an example of the best player on a deep title team (Duncan) taking about 14 shots per game (Kawhi is at 14.9 this season)

And again. Why it's too hard for you to understand that Tim was a proven offensive player/finished product in 2007. Kawhi's not.

If someone wants Kawhi to gain consistency in his game, the team can't iced him for entire quarters, that happens many times and he looks horrible in the next possessions until he gets his rhythm back.

[YGWHI]

I guess it's due to your poor reading comprehension skills

If you can't detect "Damn...Did you really do it? "Kawhi-Bowen role" "but he might only get less than 10 :cry" trolling...your reading comprehension skills are worse than Parker/Mills' court vision.

[midnightpulp]

And again. Why it's too hard for you to understand that Tim was a proven offensive player/finished product in 2007. Kawhi's not.

If someone wants Kawhi to gain consistency in his game, the team can't iced him for entire quarters, that happens many times and he looks horrible in the next possessions until he gets his rhythm back.

You cherry pick certain games and situations. I've showed you Kawhi leads all Spurs who are not point-guards in front court touches, and it's by 8 per game over LMA. Yes, not all touches are created equal, but when Kobe, Durant, Lebron, etc get a front-court touch, they typically work their way to their spot. Funny enough, I'm glad Kawhi doesn't do this. He understands the Spurs are a unit and won't excel with that kind of ball dominant, iso-oriented play.

Kawhi's usage is only .7 lower than LMA's, who is obviously a more polished offensive player than Kawhi.

Even though Duncan has great defensive metrics, Kawhi is the centerpiece of the Spurs defense. I don't have access to the Spurs playbook or gameplanning philosophy, but I think not burning him out with high offensive usage is part of the plan.

The Spurs are a title contender that go 10 deep. You're not going to see his offense developed like Durant's, Lebron's, Wade's, Curry's etc were. They started their careers on terrible teams and were basically able to ball dominate from day one. You're going to have to accept that Leonard's offensive development will be slower than other top players.

Leonard isn't faultless. I've seen him be indecisive/passive on many possessions this season.

You might have a point that the Spurs should fast-track Leonard's development in this regard if they were 25-14 or something, but they are looking historically good right now.

And Leonard is the leading scorer of the team, so I'm unsure what the problem is outside of some cherry picked quarters.

[Neurosis]

That was a monster game by Tony. Love it :toast

[midnightpulp]

If you can't detect "Damn...Did you really do it? "Kawhi-Bowen role" "but he might only get less than 10 :cry" trolling...your reading comprehension skills are worse than Parker/Mills' court vision.

Work on your jokes next time. I had no clue what you were trying to imply.

[Fireball]

dabom went kaboom ...

[pookenstein]

dabom went kaboom ...

Different day, same story...

[YGWHI]

You cherry pick certain games and situations... And Leonard is the leading scorer of the team, so I'm unsure what the problem is outside of some cherry picked quarters.

Well, it's clear that you don't want to admit there is a tendency here.

In November he had 16.6 FGA, in December 13.1, half January he's taking 12 FGA per game...10 FGA per game is coming after all.

LMA 16.6 FGA and Parker 12 FGA, small size since Parker didn't play in 2 games of the month, but this still shows that they're getting more and more shots than Kawhi.

In LMA's case it was expectable but if Parker's the 3rd option...he's acting like Kawhi is.

[100%duncan]

So he didn't say it was realistic or sustainable at all. :tu

But he used it as an example as if it's reliable game after game. :tu A 13-15 pt 6 ast game would have been better, not a 31 pt game. Especially how mid says that parker is a 3rd option. 3rd options wont score 20 plus most of the time. :tu

[ceperez]

People are deluded if they think we're beating the Warriors, or even the Clippers and Thunder with a two man attack (Kawhi + LMA) that relegates everyone else to a role player.

Every elite team has a better offensive 1-2 punch than us. Curry + Klay, Lebron + Kyrie, Blake + Paul, Durant + Westbrook. It could even be argued we have the weakest "Big 3" of the elite teams. We aren't winning jack shit if Tony is relegated to a 9-10ppg role player who just "Gibs the bawl to Kiwi :cry."

If Manu and Duncan were 5 years younger, by all means, Tony should be relegated. But like it or not, he's our 3rd best offensive player and he NEEDS to be a threat. This is basically Kawhi's rookie season as "the guy." He hasn't peaked yet offensively. Like other elite offensive players (most of whom were the offensive guy their first day in the league), it took them 2-3 years to really become that guy who can carry a team on their shoulders. Kawhi isn't there yet, and is probably a season or two off from hitting his offensive peak. LMA's been great, but that 33% shooting in last year's playoffs will be a worry. We need a 3rd guy who is a threat to drop 15-20 points somewhat consistently, and the only player really capable of that is Tony (when healthy).

And no, this ain't about retarded crew feuds. Kawhi is still the best overall player on this team, but he's going to need 2 or 3 guns by his side if we're to win this thing. Kawhi isn't just at the offensive level where he can average 30-35 points over a playoff series and make up the difference for teammates under-performing. Curry, Lebron, Durant and Westbrook are all at that level.

Third best offensive player? He was looking like the best offensive player in the team. The starters offense flows around Parker. That is even when he isn't scoring.

I'm surprised that he played this well considering that the previous game he absolutely didn't have any lift.

[bobbybob0]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_F7vpRIjAvYI/TIU7VpNlbzI/AAAAAAAABoI/s2clJ4LoWO0/s1600/image.png

[ceperez]

An aggressive Tony is essential to the success of the Spurs. It's the best way to get the easiest and most efficient shots. LMA and Kawhi can't initiate the offense like Tony or Manu.

This is true. Parker, Manu and even Boris can score at the same time be a passing threat. LMA and Kawhi can score but rarely make an assist. Further, the efficiency of LMA and Kawhi drops big time when they force the issue. That's very different from Parker (when he's hot).

[quentin_compson]

It was predictable that the crew would take this game very hard.

Thing is: Had it been Kawhi and not Tony who took and made all these shots in the third quarter, the same people who are complaining now would laugh at anybody trying to suggest that Kawhi should have involved others more.

And it nowhere says in the OP that relying on TP to score 30 PPG on efficient shooting is the way to go. That's just a fabrication of certain posters. Having TP as a reliable 3rd option on most nights would certainly be nice, though, and this is what the OP is saying.

[SpursIndonesia]

Jesus you're fuckin' stupid. How many times did Manu outscore/outshoot Tim and Tony when he was the 3rd option? Or Tony outscore Manu and Tim when he was the 3rd option? Or Duncan outscore Kawhi and Tony?

And if anything, this game backs up my idea (along with Tony's solid play this season) more than ever before that Tony needs to be that 3rd option scorer if Kawhi/LMA are unproductive in a game. You and your fucktarded brethren want Tony relegated to a Derek Fisher role and/or want to see him injured so a bench warrior like Mills can take his place (great idea :tu).

It's clear now. You're a Kawhi fanboy who simply wants to see Tony's role diminished so the team can "gib bawl to Kiwi :cry" more.

Cool. You want to see Kawhi average 25 points per game. I want this team to win the title.

:tu

[SpursIndonesia]

Just fast forwarded through that quarter. Harden guarded Kawhi for 13 possessions from about the 6:60 min mark to the 1 min mark. Tony actually hit him 2 out first 3 possessions. Tony was subbed out at 5:23 for "MVPatty." In total, they went to Kawhi 7 times out of 13. During the sequence, Patty ignored Kawhi 3 times and Boris ignored him once. Each time, Kawhi was in a perfect spot to exploit the mismatch.

"Blame Tony!"

This is why Mills isn't a starter. Worse tunnel vision than Parker.

:tu :tu

Damn, you are in the head hunting mode, aren't you bro ? :wow

[midnightpulp]

Third best offensive player? He was looking like the best offensive player in the team. The starters offense flows around Parker. That is even when he isn't scoring.

I'm surprised that he played this well considering that the previous game he absolutely didn't have any lift.

Well, it depends on how you define "offensive." Scoring wise, Tony is behind Kawhi and LMA. Those two still create more matchup problems than Tony at this stage of his career.

If you factor in playmaking, running the offense, etc, then Tony is probably the best offensive player on the team, but you can make that argument for most PGs.

[Brazil]

:lol dat strategic mistake from the Krew to mess with Mid... Mid is one the greatest ST mind and is merciless... he's gonna marginalize dat krew in no time

Harlem/Apo should have sent some PMs to save them from embarrassment...

[Perry Mason]

Just fast forwarded through that quarter. Harden guarded Kawhi for 13 possessions from about the 6:60 min mark to the 1 min mark. Tony actually hit him 2 out first 3 possessions. Tony was subbed out at 5:23 for "MVPatty." In total, they went to Kawhi 7 times out of 13. During the sequence, Patty ignored Kawhi 3 times and Boris ignored him once. Each time, Kawhi was in a perfect spot to exploit the mismatch.

"Blame Tony!"

This is why Mills isn't a starter. Worse tunnel vision than Parker.

Boom.

[midnightpulp]

I rewatched yesterday's game in which people claimed Kawhi was being "ignored."

He got 45 front court touches. He averages 43.8 per game. Durant averages 47.7.

"He probably didn't get the ball in his spots because Enrique!"

He got 90% of his touches in good spots that gave him an iso-situation against his defender. I'll provide some caps later, but one issue I've noticed with Kawhi is his reluctance to drive. Manu gets the ball in similar perimeter spots and dribbles/drives to spot where he's comfortable taking a shot or playmaking for a teammate.

I know the dribble-drive is one of Kawhi's supposed weaknesses, but the thing is, he's looked good this season when he's put the ball on the floor and drove (good things usually happen when he drives from the Bowen spot or the wing 3 point area). I don't get his hesitation/deferring.

[UZER]

I rewatched yesterday's game in which people claimed Kawhi was being "ignored."

He got 45 front court touches. He averages 43.8 per game. Durant averages 47.7.

"He probably didn't get the ball in his spots because Enrique!"

He got 90% of his touches in good spots that gave him an iso-situation against his defender. I'll provide some caps later, but one issue I've noticed with Kawhi is his reluctance to drive. Manu gets the ball in similar perimeter spots and dribbles/drives to spot where he's comfortable taking a shot or playmaking for a teammate.

I know the dribble-drive is one of Kawhi's supposed weaknesses, but the thing is, he's looked good this season when he's put the ball on the floor and drove (good things usually happen when he drives from the Bowen spot or the wing 3 point area). I don't get his hesitation/deferring.

Because he doesn't have Manus athletic ability or coordination to make a split second adjustment pass on the fly based on the real time evolving defense on the play. If he's driving, he committed to it. He's had a few drive and kicks but even those dont look to smooth. Some of the kicks have just kinda been thrown in a players direction as opposed to a "pass". Yesterday was a good example of Kawhis head down drives with no adjustments.

Edit: And I'm speaking in general terms overall. Of course there is a play here or there when kawhi adjusts, he is a basketball player. I'm talking about the ability to do it consistently with his skill set. Duncan got better doing the same thing, but from the post, so kawhi can too. That's will take his game to another level.

[YGWHI]

He got 90% of his touches in good spots that gave him an iso-situation against his defender. I'll provide some caps later, but one issue I've noticed with Kawhi is his reluctance to drive. Manu gets the ball in similar perimeter spots and dribbles/drives to spot where he's comfortable taking a shot or playmaking for a teammate... I don't get his hesitation/deferring.

Apples and oranges. Kawhi's a post up player who is still developing his mid range shot and other areas of his game.

He was a hybrid between SF and PF in college, and he plays like that, Manu was always a guard and never a post up player.

[MVPCues]

We are 34 -6, best franchise start ever. Undefeated at home. We rest Duncan, we win. We rest Duncan and Manu, we win. Green is in a serious slump, we win despite. Kawhi has a bad game and Tony goes off. Tony has a bad game and Kawhi goes off. Aldridge keeps getting a little better. We incorporate new guys and, overall, don't miss the guys that moved on. People still bitch and whine and denigrate. I can't tell which of you are the democrats and which are the republicans. Sad.

The OP makes a simple and solid point. Tony needs to be a threat. Him having this type of game when it is needed now and then is proof of that threat. That threat will make it easier for other players. Nobody is saying he needs to try and do this every night and that has been in check all season. He is likely to go 3 for 4 with 8 points the next game. We all know he had a very bad year last year. Try and keep up, this is 2015-2016 and 34-6.

Kawhi isn't the 2nd coming of MJ. He is a great player, but the team has a lot of great players. They all will have some really good games and some really bad games. They support each other, not throw each other under the bus. This isn't golf, its a team game. The TEAM is 34-6.

[steeledl]

Holy fuck krew getting crushed .

[ceperez]

We are 34 -6, best franchise start ever. Undefeated at home. We rest Duncan, we win. We rest Duncan and Manu, we win. Green is in a serious slump, we win despite. Kawhi has a bad game and Tony goes off. Tony has a bad game and Kawhi goes off. Aldridge keeps getting a little better. We incorporate new guys and, overall, don't miss the guys that moved on. People still bitch and whine and denigrate. I can't tell which of you are the democrats and which are the republicans. Sad.

The OP makes a simple and solid point. Tony needs to be a threat. Him having this type of game when it is needed now and then is proof of that threat. That threat will make it easier for other players. Nobody is saying he needs to try and do this every night and that has been in check all season. He is likely to go 3 for 4 with 8 points the next game. We all know he had a very bad year last year. Try and keep up, this is 2015-2016 and 34-6.

Kawhi isn't the 2nd coming of MJ. He is a great player, but the team has a lot of great players. They all will have some really good games and some really bad games. They support each other, not throw each other under the bus. This isn't golf, its a team game. The TEAM is 34-6.

Good take. As much as I am impressed with Kawhi's offensive production, Parker will still need to be the primary threat in offense. The downside of this is we don't know if he can remain healthy and explosive. The reality though is that Kawhi just doesn't have enough moves in his arsenal to be that dominating in offense.

The pecking order in offense is: Parker, Leonard, Aldridge, Duncan, Green.

The pecking order for the 2nd team is a lot more dynamic.

[midnightpulp]

Because he doesn't have Manus athletic ability or coordination to make a split second adjustment pass on the fly based on the real time evolving defense on the play. If he's driving, he committed to it. He's had a few drive and kicks but even those dont look to smooth. Some of the kicks have just kinda been thrown in a players direction as opposed to a "pass". Yesterday was a good example of Kawhis head down drives with no adjustments.

Edit: And I'm speaking in general terms overall. Of course there is a play here or there when kawhi adjusts, he is a basketball player. I'm talking about the ability to do it consistently with his skill set. Duncan got better doing the same thing, but from the post, so kawhi can too. That's will take his game to another level.

I don't expect him to be the playmaker Manu is, but due to Kawhi's size, strength, and length, he's becoming tough to handle for defenders in dribble-drive situations.

I think it's a confidence issue right now.

[ceperez]

Well, it depends on how you define "offensive." Scoring wise, Tony is behind Kawhi and LMA. Those two still create more matchup problems than Tony at this stage of his career.

If you factor in playmaking, running the offense, etc, then Tony is probably the best offensive player on the team, but you can make that argument for most PGs.

Most PGs do have to run the offense.

However, the 2nd team of the Spurs doesn't run their offense around Mills. It runs through either Manu or Boris.

The Cavs run their offense around Lebron.

The Bulls have now switched to running their offense around Butler and not Rose.

So it is not automatic that an offense runs around the PG. It runs around the best playmaker, that just happens to be Parker. Aldridge can't make plays. Leonard is better than Aldridge in setting up other players, but Parker is just much better. It is unfortunate that Leonard can't get enough reps in this kind of work. But lets be honest, Leonard can be playing defense and running the team at the same time.

[midnightpulp]

Apples and oranges. Kawhi's a post up player who is still developing his mid range shot and other areas of his game.

He was a hybrid between SF and PF in college, and he plays like that, Manu was always a guard and never a post up player.

I use to think Kawhi's dribble-drive game was very rough, but when he does commit, they usually can't stop him from getting into the paint.

His length allows him to "dribble long" and cover more distance quickly, which basically translates into him having a very quick first step without having elite footspeed (like Lebron, for instance). Durant uses his length in a similar fashion when dribbling.

We should see 2 or 3 moves like this every game:

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[midnightpulp]

Most PGs do have to run the offense.

However, the 2nd team of the Spurs doesn't run their offense around Mills. It runs through either Manu or Boris.

The Cavs run their offense around Lebron.

The Bulls have now switched to running their offense around Butler and not Rose.

So it is not automatic that an offense runs around the PG. It runs around the best playmaker, that just happens to be Parker. Aldridge can't make plays. Leonard is better than Aldridge in setting up other players, but Parker is just much better. It is unfortunate that Leonard can't get enough reps in this kind of work. But lets be honest, Leonard can be playing defense and running the team at the same time.

Agreed, but what I was implying is that a team's starting PG is typically their best playmaker (Paul, Rubio, Lowry, Rondo, Wall, Westbrook, etc). I know Manu is our best, but he can't play the minutes.

[UZER]

I don't expect him to be the playmaker Manu is, but due to Kawhi's size, strength, and length, he's becoming tough to handle for defenders in dribble-drive situations.

I think it's a confidence issue right now.

I didn't say you did. I was just using it as a point of reference. Kawhi needs to learn how to be an effective passer off the dribble. Not Manu level of course, but enough to keep the defense honest. If he doesn't, teams will just start crowding him and forcing him into a bad play. It happened a few times last night and will start happening more.

I'm just pointing out he's not athletic enough for it up come naturally. He has to learn how to do it with his skill set.

[SouthernFried]

This isn't just "one game." Tony was doing this all the time at the beginning of the season. He went awol for a couple weeks, not sure what the was all about.

But, the TONY I saw tonight, has been the Tony we've seen most of the season. With this Tony...I would pick us over GS. Without this Tony...I wouldn't.

[ceperez]

I didn't say you did. I was just using it as a point of reference. Kawhi needs to learn how to be an effective passer off the dribble. Not Manu level of course, but enough to keep the defense honest. If he doesn't, teams will just start crowding him and forcing him into a bad play. It happened a few times last night and will start happening more.

I'm just pointing out he's not athletic enough for it up come naturally. He has to learn how to do it with his skill set.

I agree here that he's not a natural. He's got size, length and a descent level of athleticism, but he's not elite athletically that some ST posters have a delusion that he is.

[ceperez]

This isn't just "one game." Tony was doing this all the time at the beginning of the season. He went awol for a couple weeks, not sure what the was all about.

But, the TONY I saw tonight, has been the Tony we've seen most of the season. With this Tony...I would pick us over GS. Without this Tony...I wouldn't.

This may be the best game I've seen Tony play this season. Does it translate vs the GSW? Is Curry any better a defender than Reggie Jackson?

[look_at_g_shred]

This may be the best game I've seen Tony play this season. Does it translate vs the GSW? Is Curry any better a defender than Reggie Jackson?
It's not necessarily the primary defender on Tony. It's the help defense when gets into the lane.

[look_at_g_shred]

I will say this though, Tony does seem to thrive against GSW.

[Embedded]

The weak-minded resort to insults when they have no argument. There are clearly other games this year that required more scoring by TP to get the win.

Would you have rather lost tonight in pursuit of your agenda, or are you happy with the win and how the Spurs got there?

:bobo

[ElNono]

I like that Tony scored 30+, I love the W, Kawhi sucked balls, but, at the end of the day, this gotta be a fluke game, tbh... Kawhi should be the guy you expect to score 20+ every night at this stage of the team, not Parker, Tim or Manu. If you get a good matchup or if one of those guys have a renaissance game, you take it, but it can't be the norm, IMO. I do agree that Tony has to "draw attention", and I would argue that extends to Tim and Manu too. I think Tony is mature enough to know he won't be able to do this every night, and won't try to force the issue.

But I think this particular game said more about Kawhi, still having a tough time finding his regularity, than Tony or anybody else. He got looks, he even forced the issue a few times, and I felt he was discouraged and kinda removed himself from the offense at times. I'm sure Pop and him will review the tape and come back strong from this, but it's a process. People forget how young he is, and he's a gym rat, so no concerns here at the moment.

[ChumpDumper]

But he used it as an example as if it's reliable game after game. No he didn't. Only idiots would infer that.

[NameLess Scrub]

I agree with the OP. Parker's game is needed for a title.
As long as Parker is healthy and picks his spots well, he will do great for this team.

I wish he had a better (or more consistent) 3pt shot already for when he has to spot up or bail out a possession.
A couple of times this season he has come up with a 3pt shot and that must be demoralizing for the other team.

[spursistan]

I like that Tony scored 30+, I love the W, Kawhi sucked balls, but, at the end of the day, this gotta be a fluke game, tbh... Kawhi should be the guy you expect to score 20+ every night at this stage of the team, not Parker, Tim or Manu. If you get a good matchup or if one of those guys have a renaissance game, you take it, but it can't be the norm, IMO. I do agree that Tony has to "draw attention", and I would argue that extends to Tim and Manu too. I think Tony is mature enough to know he won't be able to do this every night, and won't try to force the issue.

But I think this particular game said more about Kawhi, still having a tough time finding his regularity, than Tony or anybody else. He got looks, he even forced the issue a few times, and I felt he was discouraged and kinda removed himself from the offense at times. I'm sure Pop and him will review the tape and come back strong from this, but it's a process. People forget how young he is, and he's a gym rat, so no concerns here at the moment.
Other than his legitimate shortcomings as player (dribbling, ball handling), I think Kawhi is not there yet mentally compared to TD/Manu in their prime or even Tony..He comes across as type who needs the external prodding to seize the moment, sometimes quite literally (Pop pounding his fist on Kiwi chest in Game 3 of the Finals)..this stuff (leadership/alphaness etc..) is innate, but i just hope Kawhi grows in this department instead of slipping into an on-court shrinking violet..TD/Manu won't be there for long time...This team will be his if not already is..

[dabom]

:lol dat strategic mistake from the Krew to mess with Mid... Mid is one the greatest ST mind and is merciless... he's gonna marginalize dat krew in no time

Harlem/Apo should have sent some PMs to save them from embarrassment...

He got shat on the first page then turned in cesperez. :lmao

[Brazil]

He got shat on the first page then turned in cesperez. :lmao

:lol no he did not

and then you know People tend to consider smart and articulate takes rather than takes like :lmao faggot

imho fwiw tbh

[dabom]

:lol no he did not

and then you know People tend to consider smart and articulate takes rather than takes like :lmao faggot

imho fwiw tbh

Whatever you say. He took that L though.

[Brazil]

Whatever you say. He took that L though.

Me love some delusional

:lol

[steeledl]

:lol dat strategic mistake from the Krew to mess with Mid... Mid is one the greatest ST mind and is merciless... he's gonna marginalize dat krew in no time

Harlem/Apo should have sent some PMs to save them from embarrassment...


Yeah that was a pretty hilarious read. Absolutely crushed the krew.

[dabom]

Me love some delusional

:lol

Dude got so worked up. Almost lost all his rep if he didn't continue. :lol

[Brazil]

Dude got so worked up. Almost lost all his rep if he didn't continue. :lol

to be fair he is keeping much better his composture than me :lol

[dabom]

to be fair he is keeping much better his composture than me :lol

:lol

[SAGirl]

The Spurs are not a "two man attack" and no reasonable person ever suggested that. It's the system involving everyone that makes the team so great. That and amazing frontcourt depth. Nobody can compete with this frontcourt of Leonard/Aldridge/Duncan/Diaw/West/Boban/Simmons.

The beauty of the Spurs is that there is always someone else to step up when someone else slacks. Leonard has an off shooting night? Parker scores 26. Aldridge has a bad game? Diaw gives us 18 off the bench. Duncan plays like he's actually a 39 year old man? Boban has his back. Patty Mills and Danny Green can't find their shot? Manu has just enough left in the tank for the occasional scoring outburst.

It's the depth that will win a championship. Just like 2014. Except better.
I agree with this. As well as Pop using his stars as decoys. Tony shot very well, but all his jumpshots (that I can recall) were wide open. He was not forcing shit up. They were going under screens on him, and didn't want to double off Aldridge at times, leaving him open. He had to take those shots and did. Luckily he had a good night where his jumpshot was falling. He's had rough nights when that shot is not going in and its a kind of nightmare to deal with.

Kawhi just had a rough night himself. He wasn't aggressive. He missed opportunities to score in transition, where he's a beast and he passed up some shots. It's rare but even stars have their occassional rough night. Its a testament to the team, that precisely they have a system that provides for everyone being a threat to score and allowing for the possibility of other guys stepping up.

[raybies]

If Kawhi had more cutters and shooters surrounding him then he could better create with his postup game.

Which is why the ball is going through Parker. I had to accept it. Kawhi is so good he doesn't need the ball to make an impact. And if you had to choose out of LMA and KL who to run offense with you choose LMA because in the scheme of things, kawhi can still space and make plays and Aldridge can't contribute like that; he needs the ball. Mid is right, You need Parker to be a threat in order to have a legitimate big three still other wise we only truly have a big 2. And the only way he can be a threat with kl and lma is to run the pick and roll. Also mis is right we will live and die with Parker this year. I know this sucks for some but in order for us to play parker, lma, and Kl is has to be this way. So Leonard will have fewer attempts most nights and pretty much ends his mvp candidacy, but for us to be the best team we can we got to play parker this way. And if shit hits the fan in the playoffs then you still have this card. You put another spacer in and u feed the ball to Kl and lma. Makes sense we don't do it unless we have to.

[spursistan]

At halftime, Popovich approached Parker and asked him if he’d kindly take over some of the scoring load.Parker had managed eight points in the second quarter, after going scoreless in the first.
“I just think he was trying to distribute too much,” Popovich said. “He had opportunities to shoot. He opted to be a distributor. I told him he needed to be more of a scorer.”

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/Young-Tony-helps-Spurs-beat-back-Pistons-6755059.php


Don't see the fuss here..TP answered Pop call, simple as that..No hero-balling and such (basically simliar to first half in Memphis game when he kept us afloat). It is a luxury that we hopefully keep on having throughout the year..

[YGWHI]

As much as I am impressed with Kawhi's offensive production, Parker will still need to be the primary threat in offense.


So Leonard will have fewer attempts most nights and pretty much ends his mvp candidacy, but for us to be the best team we can we got to play parker this way. And if shit hits the fan in the playoffs then you still have this card. You put another spacer in and u feed the ball to Kl and lma. Makes sense we don't do it unless we have to.

Big part of Parker's good season due to Kawhi drawing the defensive attention since the first game in Oklahoma.

In the las 20 games, Kawhi's taking less than 13 shots per game, if he has fewer attempts than that, not only the Spurs'll slow his development, also, the other teams will adjust on Parker and at this point of his career he isn't a mismatch-creator like LMA and Kawhi ...
The last thing Parker needs is a passive Kawhi on the offensive end or to be the primary threat in all games remaining half of season.



I like that Tony scored 30+, I love the W, Kawhi sucked balls, but, at the end of the day, this gotta be a fluke game, tbh... Kawhi should be the guy you expect to score 20+ every night at this stage of the team, not Parker, Tim or Manu. If you get a good matchup or if one of those guys have a renaissance game, you take it, but it can't be the norm, IMO. I do agree that Tony has to "draw attention", and I would argue that extends to Tim and Manu too. I think Tony is mature enough to know he won't be able to do this every night, and won't try to force the issue.

Hopefully, you're right, but in the last 20 games Parker has increased his role, getting more touches than Kawhi, carrying the load on offense with mixed results.

It's likely that Pop had some plan B with LMA at left elbow area to initiate the offense instead of Parker, but Parker's level has convinced him to not make drastric changes and return to the most classic Spurs offense with Parker running pick and roll/pops with LMA, go iso in some plays, and the wings, Green and Kawhi, as spot-up 3-point shooters.

That's why Kawhi, who was a beast in the post in the first months, isn't getting the ball in his favorite spot, his post-up play Freq in the last 20 games, is lower than last season.

But like I said before, not sure that will work for Parker -drawing all the defensive attention again- in the long run.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Remember when some people on here said Prigioni was a better PG than Parker ? :jack

[Brazil]

Hopefully, you're right, but in the last 20 games Parker has increased his role, getting more touches than Kawhi, carrying the load on offense with mixed results.





What mixed results ? :lol

dat player fans... Meh my boy needs more FGAs :cry smh

[YGWHI]

I use to think Kawhi's dribble-drive game was very rough, but when he does commit, they usually can't stop him from getting into the paint.

His length allows him to "dribble long" and cover more distance quickly, which basically translates into him having a very quick first step without having elite footspeed (like Lebron, for instance). Durant uses his length in a similar fashion when dribbling.

We should see 2 or 3 moves like this every game:

https://dn3pm25xmtlyu.cloudfront.net/photos/thumb/853663132.gif?1400554879&Expires=1452784350&Signature=z32SwIuLWj3qod477XOIqZSCDPCF6k2rislevXYr 46sE~F6rhIOgHtMbEwE75g9xg5nK66RW58MwW-fxLCmYClPVJSPrnDKNJqaa-PXBVkoovhw6Spezx8VTO-5z-xtMnx4L4O-h7rnTFqAPme5p8JzYZDevJJjnomCBB9KdNXw_&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA

https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/QSR3ZPZJuzsxjp9aiwN-AvFrgGY=/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/3641196/whi-gotn.0.gif

The two examples you posted were in playoffs games with Parker was injured or having a bad night, when Parker increases his role like last games, Kawhi's more a spot up shooter.

Also, we should look where are Baynes, Tim, Tiago who takes a step back to draw Griffin out of the paint...they clear out for Kawhi.
We don't see it very often with LMA and Tim to allow him to make those 2-3 plays in a game like you want. On other hand, the second unit with Boris always draw a big to let Manu driving to the rim.


I don't get his hesitation/deferring.
On a Pop's team if some key player in the last 20 games is taking less shots or deferring more, is by design.

If Pop would want other thing of Kawhi, he'd ask him to do it after the first game he wasn't aggressive enough, like he asked Parker yesterday after the first half.

[YGWHI]

What mixed results ? :lol


Yeah...mixed results. He made and missed shots.

[Brazil]

Yeah...mixed results. He made and missed shots.

Because when Kawhi has more FGAs Spurs don't make and miss shots ?

[YGWHI]

dat player fans... Meh my boy needs more FGAs :cry smh

If a player fan is a guy who wants the best for his team and knows that means to develop their young best player because him being the best player he can be will help the team to win rings...well, I like that type of player fan.

At least, he thinks in the future of the team, unlike the real player fans who only watch the Spurs because a french player, or they like only our PG and stop watching this team when their guy is gone...

And still better than the other fans saying that a 34 years old needs to play this way every night, dropping 30 points every game, to be the primary threat on offense of the team, when the team signed LMA for some good reason...

[YGWHI]

Because when Kawhi has more FGAs Spurs don't make and miss shots ?

In January Parker's taking the same FGAs than Kawhi and shooting .458 FG%, Kawhi .507 FG% so he's missing less shots...

[Hoops Czar]

In January Parker's taking the same FGAs than Kawhi and shooting .458 FG%, Kawhi .507 FG% so he's missing less shots...

In other word, in the 4 January games Tony has played in, he's shooting 46% compared to Leonard's 51%. That's pretty insignificant if you ask me. Could you have found a smaller sample size?

[100%duncan]

I like that Tony scored 30+, I love the W, Kawhi sucked balls, but, at the end of the day, this gotta be a fluke game, tbh... Kawhi should be the guy you expect to score 20+ every night at this stage of the team, not Parker, Tim or Manu. If you get a good matchup or if one of those guys have a renaissance game, you take it, but it can't be the norm, IMO. I do agree that Tony has to "draw attention", and I would argue that extends to Tim and Manu too. I think Tony is mature enough to know he won't be able to do this every night, and won't try to force the issue.

But I think this particular game said more about Kawhi, still having a tough time finding his regularity, than Tony or anybody else. He got looks, he even forced the issue a few times, and I felt he was discouraged and kinda removed himself from the offense at times. I'm sure Pop and him will review the tape and come back strong from this, but it's a process. People forget how young he is, and he's a gym rat, so no concerns here at the moment.


No he didn't. Only idiots would infer that.

Before you get too over emotional, Nono basically said the same I said on my first post. This game SHOULD NOT be the norm so I dont think using this as an example to support his point was good. But Im sure you would have your signature Chump reply on this one, so have it tbh.

[YGWHI]

In other word, in the 4 January games Tony has played in, he's shooting 46% compared to Leonard's 51%. That's pretty insignificant if you ask me. Could you have found a smaller sample size?

If the numbers were different most people here will say "Kawhi isn't even shooting over .50...Mon Dieu! that ugly kid struggling every game."

Or maybe a small sample size is enough to know that Parker increasing his role on offense and taking the same or more shots than Kawhi can transform him into an ineffective player...

[Hoops Czar]

If the numbers were different most people here will say "Kawhi isn't even shooting over .50...Mon Dieu! that ugly kid struggling every game."

Or maybe a small sample size is enough to know that Parker increasing his role on offense and taking the same or more shots than Kawhi can transform him into an ineffective player...

So going from a 53% (1st among pgs) shooter to a 46% (4th among pgs) shooter somehow makes him an ineffective player?

[YGWHI]

So going from a 53% (1st among pgs) shooter to a 45.8% (4th among pgs) shooter somehow makes him an ineffective player?

When Kawhi averaged 20.3 ppg in 47.7 FG% last playoffs, most people here said he was so inefficient during the series, so the answer by ST criteria is...yes.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's like Tony was trolling the dabom cabal when he went out for that game. You know that mouthbreather was just praying for a repeat of Tony's post injury performance last year. He comes back and looks rested and scoring at ease. Takes over quarters offensively.

Our corps francais came to play this year. :bobo

[raybies]

If a player fan is a guy who wants the best for his team and knows that means to develop their young best player because him being the best player he can be will help the team to win rings...well, I like that type of player fan.

At least, he thinks in the future of the team, unlike the real player fans who only watch the Spurs because a french player, or they like only our PG and stop watching this team when their guy is gone...

And still better than the other fans saying that a 34 years old needs to play this way every night, dropping 30 points every game, to be the primary threat on offense of the team, when the team signed LMA for some good reason...

Doesn't have to be the primary threat to be a threat does he? But he just has to be a threat in crunch time like I have said cause if not he has no place on the floor. You don't want him on the three point line with the game on the line just to feed Leonard. Maybe if kawhi is having a monster game and you then sub in patty. It kinda makes the offense predictable though... i had to accept the fact that kawhis opportunity is in the first 3 1/2 quarters, after that it's Tony and LMA time like it or not. Also I think some of his lack of touches are because teams are now fronting the post and they can easily discourage the entry pass so he never sees it. The spurs don't really force feed. It's either there or it isn't. I was pleasantly surprised to see Duncan do a high low with him last game which drew a foul and a trip to the line.hopefully this is a sign of things to come.

[midnightpulp]

The two examples you posted were in playoffs games with Parker was injured or having a bad night, when Parker increases his role like last games, Kawhi's more a spot up shooter.

Also, we should look where are Baynes, Tim, Tiago who takes a step back to draw Griffin out of the paint...they clear out for Kawhi.
We don't see it very often with LMA and Tim to allow him to make those 2-3 plays in a game like you want. On other hand, the second unit with Boris always draw a big to let Manu driving to the rim.


On a Pop's team if some key player in the last 20 games is taking less shots or deferring more, is by design.

If Pop would want other thing of Kawhi, he'd ask him to do it after the first game he wasn't aggressive enough, like he asked Parker yesterday after the first half.

This is again not really true. I watched last night's game closely and paid attention to where Kawhi was getting the ball. Overall, he got about 45 front court touches (which is on his season average and only 2.7 below Durant's, who is a high usage player). Many of those touches were in advantageous one-on-one position where could've drove on his defender.

Example:

http://oi63.tinypic.com/2e6d7yb.jpg

Good clear out. Kawhi has two good driving lanes. He can go right, blowing by Morris, and go to hoop or dish it off to LMA for an open dunk/layup if Iliasova rotates early to try and block the shot. Drummond would also get sucked in, leaving Duncan open for a pass as a 3rd option. Or he can go left, which would draw Drummond in immediately, leaving Duncan open for a pass and jumper. The first option is obviously the better choice. He also can take a couple of dribbles and back down his defender from this position (e.g. Kobe), which likely draw in Drummond as well.

What did he do? Held the ball for about 2 seconds and passed it back to Duncan. Lebron, Durant, etc turn that situation in an score/assist 75% of the time. Yes, I know Kawhi doesn't have their dribble-drive skills, but I think he's becoming underrated in that aspect. Like I said, when he commits to a drive, they can't keep him out of the paint.

What's interesting is that this indecisiveness came after Kawhi got the ball earlier in two similar situations that resulted in him missing both shots (they were good looks that just rimmed out). Read into that what you will, but it seems he loses a bit of confidence and purpose when he misses shots early on. It's something we've been saying about his offensive game for the past couple of years.

Also worth mentioning is that due to amount of energy he expends on defense, he might be purposely deferring at times to catch his breath.

I know you're clamoring for most post feeds, but posting him a lot in that lineup will pretty much kill spacing since Danny is the only 3 point shooter in the lineup. It might look good when it works, but in the long run, it would be an easy situation to defend since there's not enough shooters to keep the defense honest. They'd just stay home on Green and swarm Kawhi.

We'd need a Kevin Love type of stretch 4 for an offensive scheme built around Kawhi in the post.

[dabom]

Kevin love type of stretch 4? Is this fuck serious? :lmao

[midnightpulp]

Kevin love type of stretch 4? Is this fuck serious? :lmao

"Gib bawl to Kiwi in poast :cry"

Since you're the head retard of the crew, I'll speak carefully.

When you have a center or power forward who excels in the post, what kind of players do you put around him? What kind of players were consistently put around Duncan in the 4 down era?

Shooters!

Why is this? First off, it forces the opposing the defense to have to travel more space to double team. Secondly, it protects your post player from constant doubles because it forces the defense into a dilemma. Do you we double every time and leave their shooters open or do we single cover their big in the post and risk him going off.

This is all very easily wiki'ed:


Stretch fours are tactically employed in this way to "stretch" the opponent's defense. The ability to score a high-percentage of catch-and-shoot three-point shots from distance (the distinct feature of a stretch four[4]) causes defensive problems for the opposing team, as it pulls the opposing (and crucially, defending) power forward out of the low post area, opening up driving lanes for guards to exploit (these can be running lanes or passing lanes) and results in more post space and potentially scoring and rebounding opportunities for the center player.

There is no "post space" for Kawhi alongside LMA and Tim.

Why do you think Miami turned Bosh into a better 3 point shooter. Why do you think Cleveland wanted Kevin Love?

Want to know which perimeter player has been most efficient in the post over the past 3 seasons.

Lebron James.

Seriously, don't come at me. You're way, way above your paygrade trying to debate with me. Stick to Porker jokes and emoticons.

[dabom]

You get a 3 point shooter at the PG position or the wing position faggot. With abilities to drive it in. We don't need a stretch 4 faggot. And this team however it is constructed is still Kawhi's team. You are using Kawhi's worst game of the season as a model of his game. That's where you fucked up already faggot. :lmao

Low IQ shitty poster gonna reply to me now. :lmao

[midnightpulp]

You get a 3 point shooter at the PG position or the wing position faggot. With abilities to drive it in. We don't need a stretch 4 faggot. And this team however it is constructed is still Kawhi's team. You are using Kawhi's worst game of the season as a model of his game. That's where you fucked up already faggot. :lmao

Low IQ shitty poster gonna reply to me now. :lmao

Are you seriously retarded?

How does a 3 point shooting PG pull their bigs out of the paint? Post space is still going to be congested with the opposing teams bigs. 3 point shooting PGs typically help post up bigs not wings.

Just stop posting.

[dabom]

Are you seriously retarded?

How does a 3 point shooting PG pull their bigs out of the paint? Post space is still going to be congested with the opposing teams bigs. 3 point shooting PGs typically help post up bigs not wings.

Just stop posting.

edit


I'm done. :lmao

[midnightpulp]

Patty mills never has a problem faggot. :lmao


I'm done. :lmao

Ah, so teams scheme for Patty by guarding him with a big. I never knew that!

:lol Dabom
:lol "Gib bawl to Kiwi
:lol Emoticons

[dabom]

I see you are saying something else. I don't see a problem with LMA and Tim out there when Kawhi posts up or decides to dribble drive or shoot a jumper. Where is this supposed lack of space you are talking about?

Have you seen his TS%? For someone lacking so much space he is fucking elite at it. :lmao

[dabom]

Seriously. Tell me where Kawhi is hurting from this lack of fucking space faggot. :lmao

[BOHOLANO#21]

Dabom got owned!

[dabom]

Lets back track. Mid said we need a stretch 4 for Kawhi to have space.

Kawhi excels with traditional bigs.

How is having 2 traditional bigs hurting Kawhi when he is fucking elite at posting up, fading, Js, driving to the basket?

[dabom]

I don't have all night mid. Need to hit the gym already kid.

[dabom]

20 mins no fucking response. Took this kid to school again. I'm done. :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Before you get too over emotional, Nono basically said the same I said on my first post. This game SHOULD NOT be the norm so I dont think using this as an example to support his point was good. But Im sure you would have your signature Chump reply on this one, so have it tbh.NO ONE said this should be the norm.

Ever.

What is the matter with you?

[ChumpDumper]

And lol dabom.

I'm d:cryne!

No, really this time!

[Neurosis]

You'd think people would be happy to see Parker having a really dominant game to complement the team even further. Not sure how it gets interpreted any other way.

[Em-City]

I rewatched yesterday's game in which people claimed Kawhi was being "ignored."

He got 45 front court touches. He averages 43.8 per game. Durant averages 47.7.

"He probably didn't get the ball in his spots because Enrique!"

He got 90% of his touches in good spots that gave him an iso-situation against his defender. I'll provide some caps later, but one issue I've noticed with Kawhi is his reluctance to drive. Manu gets the ball in similar perimeter spots and dribbles/drives to spot where he's comfortable taking a shot or playmaking for a teammate.

I know the dribble-drive is one of Kawhi's supposed weaknesses, but the thing is, he's looked good this season when he's put the ball on the floor and drove (good things usually happen when he drives from the Bowen spot or the wing 3 point area). I don't get his hesitation/deferring.


Because he doesn't have Manus athletic ability or coordination to make a split second adjustment pass on the fly based on the real time evolving defense on the play. If he's driving, he committed to it. He's had a few drive and kicks but even those dont look to smooth. Some of the kicks have just kinda been thrown in a players direction as opposed to a "pass". Yesterday was a good example of Kawhis head down drives with no adjustments.

Edit: And I'm speaking in general terms overall. Of course there is a play here or there when kawhi adjusts, he is a basketball player. I'm talking about the ability to do it consistently with his skill set. Duncan got better doing the same thing, but from the post, so kawhi can too. That's will take his game to another level.

Yes, Leonard doesn't have that explosiveness, sheer strength or pure shooting touch that KD/James/Melo have, but I also think it's because of Kawhi's lack of ability to utilize a PnR. manu does this perfectly in that he can take the ball out and initiate the offense by calling a high screen.

[Brazil]

In January Parker's taking the same FGAs than Kawhi and shooting .458 FG%, Kawhi .507 FG% so he's missing less shots...

:lol you are fucking dumb really

spare me with the French fan blabla of your previous posts, that's not very original for one for two you don't really know what the fuck you are talking about


Your quote: "Hopefully, you're right, but in the last 20 games Parker has increased his role, getting more touches than Kawhi, carrying the load on offense with mixed results."

Why in your mixed results you talk about individual FG% ? what is Spurs record during the 20 games you are talking about when Parker increased his role ? 18/2 ? that's your definition of mixed results ? During these 20 games, team is doing just fine... are you upset because your boy shoot less and Spurs continue to win ? that's what you mean when you say mixed results ?

And then for the fun because you are an idiot

Last 20 games played by Parker FGAs per game: 10,2, FG% 49,51%

Whole season Parker FGAs per game: 9,9... so that's what you call Parker increased his role last 20 games ? from 9,9 to 10,2 ? gtfo

Oh and don't come... oh no because now I was talking about January... Parker played 4 games in January, outside this game against Detroit in those 3 games he took 9,7 FGAs. Against Detroit Pop asked him to be more aggressive so yeah he had a spike of 19 FGAs at .684 FG% but yeah carry on with your dumb agenda of :cry parker is taking all shots from Kawhi :cry

smh

[Pauleta14]

:lol

Guys I really admire your patience with these troll?/idiots?...

[YGWHI]

:lol you are fucking dumb really
spare me with the French fan blabla of your previous posts, that's not very original for one for two you don't really know what the fuck you are talking about

Yep. Because it's very original to call every fan who talks about Kawhi, his development, his game...player fan/wishing injury/whatever.

I never wished an injury on a player, that's pretty low and bad karma, but you love to act like every guy is the same type of fan so why I shouldn't do the same with you? Do you not like it? Well...you get what you give.


Why in your mixed results you talk about individual FG%? What is Spurs record during the 20 games you are talking about when Parker increased his role ?
Since this thread is about an individual performance and the way the team should play that player, we should talk about his individual stats.


you are an idiot
No, but you seem mad...I wonder why. People can argue, disagree, have a different point of view...there is no need to get mad about it.

I doubt about people who call others idiot, stupid to dismiss their arguments...it's likely they're projecting something wrong, unresolved about themselves onto others, and they can't accept the fact that insulting someone is actually a sign of insecurity.


Parker played 4 games in January...smh
We'll see if there's a trend in this small sample size or not...Hope for the latter.

[YGWHI]

I know you're clamoring for most post feeds, but posting him a lot in that lineup will pretty much kill spacing since Danny is the only 3 point shooter in the lineup. It might look good when it works, but in the long run, it would be an easy situation to defend since there's not enough shooters to keep the defense honest. They'd just stay home on Green and swarm Kawhi.

We'd need a Kevin Love type of stretch 4 for an offensive scheme built around Kawhi in the post.

Never said a lot but often.

And it works really well if we look his numbers in post up plays, one of the best in the league. Anyway, not sure if that easy to defend since he has a favorable matchup against most of guards and small forwards in the league, except one or two. And if he gets double teamed he's doing a good job finding the open guy.

Pop said after a few games this season, they'll post Kawhi more, the Barkley video stuff... we don't need a guy like Love to post Kawhi, we have Boris, and he was that guy in the 2014 Finals for Kawhi.

[Brazil]

Yep. Because it's very original to call every fan who talks about Kawhi, his development, his game...player fan/wishing injury/whatever.

I never wished an injury on a player, that's pretty low and bad karma, but you love to act like every guy is the same type of fan so why I shouldn't do the same with you? Do you not like it? Well...you get what you give.


Since this thread is about an individual performance and the way the team should play that player, we should talk about his individual stats.


No, but you seem mad...I wonder why. People can argue, disagree, have a different point of view...there is no need to get mad about it.

I doubt about people who call others idiot, stupid to dismiss their arguments...it's likely they're projecting something wrong, unresolved about themselves onto others, and they can't accept the fact that insulting someone is actually a sign of insecurity.


We'll see if there's a trend in this small sample size or not...Hope for the latter.

You don't make any sense scra... At all.. The player fans stuff is just me being a smart ass... Next time I will use blue font even though you seem more of a cheer leader than a fan of the team

i noticed how well you dodged the facts and data I provided... It's ok to be wrong you know, your take was shit, it happens. :lol 20 games. Don't push my shit with your French dumb argument and actually check your facts before talking and I won't call you an idiot.

carry on tho.. Now that I've seen you have no interest to discuss ball and go on with dumb shit not backed up by anything, I will let you proceed peacefully

[dabom]

Brazil I thought you said mid was one of the best intelligent minds in here... :lol

[midnightpulp]

I see you are saying something else. I don't see a problem with LMA and Tim out there when Kawhi posts up or decides to dribble drive or shoot a jumper. Where is this supposed lack of space you are talking about?

Have you seen his TS%? For someone lacking so much space he is fucking elite at it. :lmao

Do I have to talk slow again?

I'm not talking about Kawhi dribble-drives or 3 point jump shots.

The popular idea with Kawhi fanboys is that he should be posted more frequently. In the current starting lineup, you can't really do that without compromising spacing. You're going to have 6 or 7 players around the painted area (the Center and his defender, the PF and his defender, the Wing who is posting and his defender and possibly a player coming for a double team). It'll be a cluster fuck with tight driving and passing lanes. LMA being a threat from 18 feet helps matter somewhat but not to the point where Kawhi should be posted as frequently as Lebron. And I say this as someone who thinks Kawhi is the best wing post player in the league.

You want Kawhi posted more, send a memo to Pop to play Diaw and LMA alongside him more. But guess what happens then? Our interior defense and rebounding is compromised.

There's always trade offs.

[midnightpulp]

Do I have to talk slow again?

I'm not talking about Kawhi dribble-drives or 3 point jump shots.

The popular idea with Kawhi fanboys is that he should be posted more frequently. In the current starting lineup, you can't really do that without compromising spacing. You're going to have 6 or 7 players around the painted area (the Center and his defender, the PF and his defender, the Wing who is posting and his defender and possibly a player coming for a double team). It'll be a cluster fuck with tight driving and passing lanes. LMA being a threat from 18 feet helps matter somewhat but not to the point where Kawhi should be posted as frequently as Lebron. And I say this as someone who thinks Kawhi is the best wing post player in the league.

You want Kawhi posted more, send a memo to Pop to play Diaw and LMA alongside him more. But guess what happens then? Our interior defense and rebounding is compromised.

There's always trade offs.

That said, this might be our counter lineup against Golden State's "Death Squad."

[dabom]

Do I have to talk slow again?

I'm not talking about Kawhi dribble-drives or 3 point jump shots.

The popular idea with Kawhi fanboys is that he should be posted more frequently. In the current starting lineup, you can't really do that without compromising spacing. You're going to have 6 or 7 players around the painted area (the Center and his defender, the PF and his defender, the Wing who is posting and his defender and possibly a player coming for a double team). It'll be a cluster fuck with tight driving and passing lanes. LMA being a threat from 18 feet helps matter somewhat but not to the point where Kawhi should be posted as frequently as Lebron. And I say this as someone who thinks Kawhi is the best wing post player in the league.

You want Kawhi posted more, send a memo to Pop to play Diaw and LMA alongside him more. But guess what happens then? Our interior defense and rebounding is compromised.

There's always trade offs.

I'm done talking to low IQ posters that want a super bonner on the team. :lmao

[dabom]

That said, this might be our counter lineup against Golden State's "Death Squad."

We pose a bigger threat to the warriors than they do us. Check the game history 3 years back. We fucking rock them.

[midnightpulp]

I'm done talking to low IQ posters that want a super bonner on the team. :lmao

I actually never said that. If you weren't clinically retarded, you would've inferred that.

:lol "Gib bawl to Kiwi :cry"
:lol Emoticons
:lol Patty Mills pulls bigs out of the paint
:lol Dabom

[Silver&Black]

mid...you've got to remember who you're dealing with here.

This is the same guy who told me that CP3 leads the Clippers in defensive rating last year. (Facepalm) Same guy who was calling people faggots in a thread about the NBA draft....then says he had no idea who Frank Kaminsky was. He was only the NCAA player of the year dumb bomb....

You're wasting your time mid.

[Brazil]

Brazil (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14466) I thought you said mid was one of the best intelligent minds in here... :lol

Yup

no way you get out of this one intact :lol

[dabom]

Yup

no way you get out of this one intact :lol

Dude already ran away twice in his own fucking thread. :lmao

[midnightpulp]

And this game is yet another example. Tony picking up slack when LMA and Kawhi are having an off night. :lol Thinking Parker should be a glorified Fisher.

[dabom]

I actually never said that. If you weren't clinically retarded, you would've inferred that.

:lol "Gib bawl to Kiwi :cry"
:lol Emoticons
:lol Patty Mills pulls bigs out of the paint
:lol Dabom


Lets back track. Mid said we need a stretch 4 for Kawhi to have space.

Kawhi excels with traditional bigs.

How is having 2 traditional bigs hurting Kawhi when he is fucking elite at posting up, fading, Js, driving to the basket?

This dude just keeps talking but tell me how Kawhi is being limited with this supposed lack of space. :lmao

[dabom]

And this game is yet another example. Tony picking up slack when LMA and Kawhi are having an off night. :lol Thinking Parker should be a glorified Fisher.




Rk
Player
Age
G
GS
MP
FG
FGA ▾
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
2P
2PA
2P%
eFG%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


1
Kawhi Leonard (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01.html)
23
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01/gamelog/2015/)
7
250
52
109
.477
11
26
.423
41
83
.494
.528
27
35
.771
13
39
52
18
8
4
15
18
142


2
Tony Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html)
32
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01/gamelog/2015/)
7
210
33
91
.363
0
9
.000
33
82
.402
.363
10
17
.588
4
19
23
25
2
0
11
14
76


3
Tim Duncan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html)
38
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01/gamelog/2015/)
7
250
53
90
.589
0
1
.000
53
89
.596
.589
19
34
.559
19
59
78
23
9
10
7
26
125


4
Boris Diaw (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/diawbo01.html)
32
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/diawbo01/gamelog/2015/)
0
198
34
71
.479
4
18
.222
30
53
.566
.507
9
13
.692
13
30
43
25
5
3
9
24
81



How was Tony last year in the playoffs as the 2nd/3rd most FGs? Faggots. /thread :lmao

He is having a monster game. He still not the 3rd option during the playoffs in a close series or we lose.

[midnightpulp]

:hat

[Robz4000]

:cry MVParker is back :cry

[Sean Cagney]

:cry MVParker is back :cry

Being a Spurs fan that is a damn good thing.

[spursistan]

This was like a 3rd would-be L that Parker scoring punch turned into W (let's not forget his Memphis first half when the entire team came out flat on B2B)...

With the way Green drifting and LMA occasional softening up, you would be foolish not to welcome a Parker who could pour in 25 point on any given night or when the the match-up is favourable (see Blazers series in 2014 in relation to his overall below average run)..

It is becoming clear that this team doesn't have the same offensive firepower provided by role players two years ago (Green had 8 playoffs games scoring +13 in 2014), so you would hope that a combination of our D being better and this Parker staying frisky will alleviate the potenial scoring droughts we could go through..

[dabom]

midnightpulp wants a super bonner on the team. :lmao

Faggot don't know shit about basketball. Low IQ poster. :lmao

[spursistan]

His best game since Cleveland at home..It just feels like the team is going to need quite few of those from Tony to ease the load on LMA/Kawhi in the playoffs..Have seen enough of Mills/Green bricks..

[dabom]

Tony scored 6 points. :lol

This thread. :lmao

Every page delivers.

From we need a "Kevin Love" type player for spacing reasons that affects Kawhi to the usual filth. :lmao

[dabom]

:lol dat strategic mistake from the Krew to mess with Mid... Mid is one the greatest ST mind and is merciless... he's gonna marginalize dat krew in no time

Harlem/Apo should have sent some PMs to save them from embarrassment...

Mid still losing brah. :lol

[RD2191]

Mid is a fuckin faggot. As if anyone would fear that loser.

[pgardn]

Mid still losing brah. :lol

Your amusement with your own replies borders on posting masturbation.

Engineers should know better.

[TheGreatYacht]

Fat bus :lol

[midnightpulp]

Tony scored 6 points. :lol

This thread. :lmao

Every page delivers.

From we need a "Kevin Love" type player for spacing reasons that affects Kawhi to the usual filth. :lmao

Tony played great defense on Curry, though, while Patty House scored, what, 3 points, and got lit up by Leandro Barbosa.

So yes, this game is an example of Tony's worth. Thanks for the validation :tu

[dabom]

Tony played great defense on Curry, though, while Patty House scored, what, 3 points, and got lit up by Leandro Barbosa.

So yes, this game is an example of Tony's worth. Thanks for the validation :tu

You were talking about his offensive production faggot. Always moving the goalpost. Stay losing faggot. :lmao

[dabom]

People are deluded if they think we're beating the Warriors, or even the Clippers and Thunder with a two man attack (Kawhi + LMA) that relegates everyone else to a role player.

Every elite team has a better offensive 1-2 punch than us. Curry + Klay, Lebron + Kyrie, Blake + Paul, Durant + Westbrook. It could even be argued we have the weakest "Big 3" of the elite teams. We aren't winning jack shit if Tony is relegated to a 9-10ppg role player who just "Gibs the bawl to Kiwi :cry."

If Manu and Duncan were 5 years younger, by all means, Tony should be relegated. But like it or not, he's our 3rd best offensive player and he NEEDS to be a threat. This is basically Kawhi's rookie season as "the guy." He hasn't peaked yet offensively. Like other elite offensive players (most of whom were the offensive guy their first day in the league), it took them 2-3 years to really become that guy who can carry a team on their shoulders. Kawhi isn't there yet, and is probably a season or two off from hitting his offensive peak. LMA's been great, but that 33% shooting in last year's playoffs will be a worry. We need a 3rd guy who is a threat to drop 15-20 points somewhat consistently, and the only player really capable of that is Tony (when healthy).

And no, this ain't about retarded crew feuds. Kawhi is still the best overall player on this team, but he's going to need 2 or 3 guns by his side if we're to win this thing. Kawhi isn't just at the offensive level where he can average 30-35 points over a playoff series and make up the difference for teammates under-performing. Curry, Lebron, Durant and Westbrook are all at that level.


Tony played great defense on Curry, though, while Patty House scored, what, 3 points, and got lit up by Leandro Barbosa.

So yes, this game is an example of Tony's worth. Thanks for the validation :tu

He scored 6 points tonight. You just contradicted yourself. :lmao

[YGWHI]

You want Kawhi posted more, send a memo to Pop to play Diaw and LMA alongside him more. But guess what happens then? Our interior defense and rebounding is compromised.

It seems that Pop received part of the memo. Still not a lot Kawhi's post ups but he played Boris-LMA and the Spurs outplayed the Warriors in one area of the game... Warriors 37 rebounds, Spurs 53.

It's not hard to see that in a small ball lineup or with Kawhi-Boris-LMA frontcourt, Kawhi will be a rebounding beast, 14 tonight.

[midnightpulp]

He scored 6 points tonight. You just contradicted yourself. :lmao

:lol at you thinking 87 points is enough to beat the Warriors in a series. Are you really comfortable with the fact that LMA and Kawhi combined for 44 points and we still only scored 87 points? And this was with Boris finally waking up.

I actually hope you're right and I'm wrong, since that means a Spurs title, but I'm usually right and you just badly parrot Krew takes without really understand anything.

[dabom]

You already became wrong cuck. :lmao