Now that Parker, Kawhi, LMAlpha are our official bug 3. whos our 4th best player?

[hater]

Diaw? west? Boban?

Imo gotta be Bobo. He makes our bench 10x better.

[hater]

Oops forgot about Duncan :lol

My bad. He's our #4 no doubt. My bad :lol

[From Downtown]

Evita tbh

[houston spurs fan]

Who cares. We need everybody playing at a very high level if we are going to beat OKC or GSW...don't like these lists, it really just gives a platform to player fans or contrarians to wage wars of words.

[cutewizard]

Bonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnerrrrr rrrrrrrrrr

lol

[Astray]

1.LMA
2.Kawhi
3.Duncan
4.Parker
5.Ginobili

[TheDoctor]

Diaw? west? Boban?

Imo gotta be Bobo. He makes our bench 10x better.

If you ask Pounding the Cock they will say Patrick Sammy Mills somehow.

[hater]

1.LMA
2.Kawhi
3.Duncan
4.Parker
5.Ginobili

I can live with this if you replace Parker with Duncan. Althou Duncan has been solid on D Parker has just been GOD. I'd do it like this:

1. Kawhi
2. parker
3. LmAlpha
4. DUNCAN
5. Diaw/Mani

[SouthernFried]

You know you've got it good...when talking about best players, you forget Duncan. lol

Diaw is my favorite playmaker right now :)

[kaji157]

By your standars maybe green.

I think as the season went, considering the minutes they play and the impact they have had during the season, the list goes like this.

Kawhi
Duncan
Aldridge
Ginobili
Parker

Manu and Tim have held the team during the first maybe 20 games when some players were struggling to find his niche on the team. That´s got to be valued because we are halfway to the season.

[hater]

Disagree. Parker has been the engine of the team and possibly our most consistent Spur.

If Kawhi was not such a beast Parker would be easy our #1 player. So he is our #2. Easily

[steeledl]

Kawhi
LMA
parker
duncan
diaw
ginobili
west
patty

[james evans]

It aint Danny Green. I know that much

[DAF86]

Is "bug 3" the new "guest team"?

[8FOR!3]

1. Kawhi
2. Aldridge
3. Parker
4. Duncan
5. Ginobili
6. Diaw
7. West
8. MVPatty
9. Boban
10. Green
11. Simmons
12. Kyle
13. Butler
14. Ray
15. Bonner

9-11 I'm not so sure about, but the rest makes sense to me.

[SupremeGuy]

Kawhi
LMA
Duncan
Manu
Boris
Parker

[ceperez]

What I want to know is not who is the best player, but which are the best 5 combinations?

Parker, Green, Leonard, Duncan, Aldridge
Mills, Manu, Leonard, Diaw, Marjanovic
Parker, Manu, Leonard, Diaw, Aldridge
Manu, Green, Leonard, Duncan, Aldridge
Manu, Leonard, Diaw, Duncan, Aldridge
Anderson, Leonard, Diaw, Aldridge, Marjanovic
Parker, Manu, Simmons, Leonard, Aldridge

[Tully365]

Duncan had more assists, steals, and blocks against Detroit than Kawhi & Aldridge combined... he's such a smart player, and will always find ways to help his team.

[Joseph Kony]

1. Kawhi
2. Aldridge
3. Parker
4. Duncan
5. Ginobili
6. Diaw
7. West
8. MVPatty
9. Boban
10. Green
11. Simmons
12. Kyle
13. Butler
14. Ray
15. Bonner

9-11 I'm not so sure about, but the rest makes sense to me.
agree with this list

[Slime Baller]

1. Kawhi
2. Aldridge
3. Parker
4. Duncan
5. Ginobili
6. Diaw
7. West
8. MVPatty
9. Boban
10. Green
11. Simmons
12. Kyle
13. Butler
14. Ray
15. Bonner

9-11 I'm not so sure about, but the rest makes sense to me.

On board with this list. Any given night might have Diaw and Ginobili swap and Simmons and Boban switch. 9-11 is murky, like you said.

[ajh18]

Agree with Duncan at 4... for the season. But in a single playoff series or game, I still take Tim over all of them. KA and LMA included.

[TheGreatYacht]

If you ask Pounding the Cock they will say Patrick Sammy Mills somehow.
Is that what we're calling dacuck now?

[TheDoctor]

Is that what we're calling dacuck now?

CLICK (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=255037)

[SAGirl]

Its between Boris and Manu. Probably Manu, but Boris is an X-factor and is a player Pop does not rest.

[Brazil]

:lol between those who forget that Danny is in our roster and those who forget Duncan, this board is full of drunk people

[letmk]

I would put Kawhi #1, LMA and TD #2A & #2B. The reason Tony or others look so critical to the Spurs' success (or the lack of it like last season) is because they may not play up to their levels while TD always delivers. Even during these previous two games, the paint defense with and w/o TD is still huge. Lopez was torching West and after TD went back, the whole trend was turned. The same with Baynes, who was actually playing quite well last night, but got "schooled" by TD during a back-and-forth 2nd quarter. The pistons would easily be up by 7-8 points at halftime if not for TD's play.

[SAGirl]

:lol between those who forget that Danny is in our roster and those who forget Duncan, this board is full of drunk people
I would not say Danny is our 4th best player. For most of the season he's been the worst rotation player quite honestly, and I like Danny, and was never among those who called for him to be benched for Simmons. We have won games where Danny played horrible, or was missing in action, or got benched.

I did underrate TD. It is hard to say between TD/Manu and Boris, but TD is doing less and less offensively. He's given way to LMA, and some games he's played 20 mins, and he's rested. Manu has actually saved this team, specially early when the SL was lacking in chemistry and cohesion, and has been relatively consistent in his production. His Manu 3s always come timely... Boris, the walking mismatch like I said is an Xfactor and fits in with any lineup, Pop is going to him more and more to be aggressive. He calls more plays for Boris at this point than he does for Manu. Manu is scoring a lot from others actions lately and just focusing on directing the offense through his passes. He's selective picking his spots nowadays. And Boris isn't rested. He's there to mentor young guys in garbage time.

I think ultimately it doesn't matter. The beauty of these Spurs is that your options 4-8 in any given game can be different guys.

[dabom]

I would not say Danny is our 4th best player. For most of the season he's been the worst rotation player quite honestly, and I like Danny, and was never among those who called for him to be benched for Simmons. We have won games where Danny played horrible, or was missing in action, or got benched.

I did underrate TD. It is hard to say between TD/Manu and Boris, but TD is doing less and less offensively. He's given way to LMA, and some games he's played 20 mins, and he's rested. Manu has actually saved this team, specially early when the SL was lacking in chemistry and cohesion, and has been relatively consistent in his production. His Manu 3s always come timely... Boris, the walking mismatch like I said is an Xfactor and fits in with any lineup, Pop is going to him more and more to be aggressive. He calls more plays for Boris at this point than he does for Manu. Manu is scoring a lot from others actions lately and just focusing on directing the offense through his passes. He's selective picking his spots nowadays. And Boris isn't rested. He's there to mentor young guys in garbage time.

I think ultimately it doesn't matter. The beauty of these Spurs is that your options 4-8 in any given game can be different guys.

He was talking about apol omitting Green from his list in his thread and hater forgetting about Duncan in this on. :wakeup

[Brazil]

I would not say Danny is our 4th best player. For most of the season he's been the worst rotation player quite honestly, and I like Danny, and was never among those who called for him to be benched for Simmons. We have won games where Danny played horrible, or was missing in action, or got benched.

I did underrate TD. It is hard to say between TD/Manu and Boris, but TD is doing less and less offensively. He's given way to LMA, and some games he's played 20 mins, and he's rested. Manu has actually saved this team, specially early when the SL was lacking in chemistry and cohesion, and has been relatively consistent in his production. His Manu 3s always come timely... Boris, the walking mismatch like I said is an Xfactor and fits in with any lineup, Pop is going to him more and more to be aggressive. He calls more plays for Boris at this point than he does for Manu. Manu is scoring a lot from others actions lately and just focusing on directing the offense through his passes. He's selective picking his spots nowadays. And Boris isn't rested. He's there to mentor young guys in garbage time.

I think ultimately it doesn't matter. The beauty of these Spurs is that your options 4-8 in any given game can be different guys.


He was talking about apol omitting Green from his list in his thread and hater forgetting about Duncan in this on. :wakeup

hop

thanks dabom

[SAGirl]

hop

thanks dabom
:toast lol

[Fireball]

Oops forgot about Duncan :lol

My bad. He's our #4 no doubt. My bad :lol

:lmao you totally screwed up that one ... first bugs ... and then you forget the Big Fundamental

[TrainOfThought5]

When Manu is on there is just nothing else in the world like it.

[$pursDynasty]

1. Kawhi
2. Aldridge
3. Parker
4. Duncan
5. Ginobili
6. Diaw
7. West
8. MVPatty
9. Boban
10. Green
11. Simmons
12. Kyle
13. Butler
14. Ray
15. Bonner

9-11 I'm not so sure about, but the rest makes sense to me.

Love the list I might put Diaw above Manu but they are basically the same.

[hater]

:lmao you totally screwed up that one ... first bugs ... and then you forget the Big Fundamental

:lol I did.

This morning I was a damn mess :lol

[100%duncan]

Kawhi
Lma
Duncan
Bobo
Parker
Manu

[gambit1990]

hater making a thread claiming parker was part of the new big three a week after i made a thread about wanting him traded :lol

[dabom]

hater making a thread claiming parker was part of the new big three a week after i made a thread about wanting him traded :lol
hater can always fall on his shtick. It's a win-win basically.

[YGWHI]

hater making a thread claiming parker was part of the new big three a week after i made a thread about wanting him traded :lol

And now Simmons doesn't even mention Parker...
767399343464656897

[dabom]

And now Simmons doesn't even mention Parker...
767399343464656897
FYI guys. I have been on the Patty Mills Bandwagon since day numero Uno.

Along with all my other brethren. :toast

[dabom]

Even when everyone said he was garbo after having surgery... Some posters are just very fickle.

Anyways, I don't mind if more people wanna get on the wagon. Just gotta check in with me. :flag:

[YGWHI]

FYI guys. I have been on the Patty Mills Bandwagon since day numero Uno.

Along with all my other brethren. :toast

765914332521652224

765916119496392705

[dabom]

765914332521652224

765916119496392705

:lol

He really should have got the lions share of 2015 for sure.

[gambit1990]

And now Simmons doesn't even mention Parker...
767399343464656897
nice find. the future is now. unless pop gets in the way :rolleyes


FYI guys. I have been on the Patty Mills Bandwagon since day numero Uno.

Along with all my other brethren. :toast
:toast

[hater]

:lmao Mills has been destroyed by every single opponent in the playoffs. His defense is worse than Matador Steve Nash :lmao

And he's over 30 midget. :lmao "the future"

[SASdynasty!]

Mills vs OKC last season:

4/2/2 on 42% shooting. Parker's never put up less than twice that in a playoff series in his career.

[houston spurs fan]

Mills needs to come off the bench, we need firepower off he bench a la Manu in the day. The offense needs to run more through Kawhi and LMA and Pau. TP needs to continue to focus on improving his 3 point skills as that could become a good weapon for us, and just distribute the ball. Pop will reduce his minutes. Got a lot of casual fans and writers who think there is a position battle or Mills needs to start...very little understanding of how our team rolls.

[Diego20]

Patty should play more minutes than TP, that's all that matters. Should keep coming off the bench as long as he plays crunch time and more minutes than TP.

[GSH]

Anyways, I don't mind if more people wanna get on the wagon. Just gotta check in with me. :flag:


Al Gore invented the Internet, and you invented Patty Mills. So I guess I'll need to ask Al for permission to use the Internet, before I can come here and ask you for permission to cheer for Patty.

I'm looking forward to the day when your pimples clear up, and your parents hand you the keys to their Corolla. You can tell the girls (or boys, I don't judge) that you're practically famous online, and they'll be all impressed. We might not hear from you for hours at a time.

[dabom]

Al Gore invented the Internet, and you invented Patty Mills. So I guess I'll need to ask Al for permission to use the Internet, before I can come here and ask you for permission to cheer for Patty.

I'm looking forward to the day when your pimples clear up, and your parents hand you the keys to their Corolla. You can tell the girls (or boys, I don't judge) that you're practically famous online, and they'll be all impressed. We might not hear from you for hours at a time.

Tell Al Gore I said hi.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Best Gasol, Kawhi, LMA

[K...]

Gambit, do you keep grudges from :nine months ago? It's very strange for you to cite your own thread and then post in this one.

Do you search threads to bump? Or do you keep a notebook?

[TheGreatYacht]

:lmao Mills has been destroyed by every single opponent in the playoffs. His defense is worse than Matador Steve Nash :lmao

And he's over 30 midget. :lmao "the future"
Midgets supporting midgets, tbh :lol

Imagine having a mullet and digging up thru hater old threads just to bump them lmao. Living rent-free :bobo

[TimDunkem]

Patty should play more minutes than TP, that's all that matters. Should keep coming off the bench as long as he plays crunch time and more minutes than TP.
This at the very least. Patty needs to be our sixth man.

[TD 21]

Only a fool would equate FIBA to NBA and only an antiquated/casual fan, who's consumed with the label of starting, would think Mills should start over Parker.

Expect another roughly 28/20 split, but I do think Pop will have more of a whoever-is-playing-better closes mentality.

Either way, this team won't be a serious contender again until they have a guard that's something like the co-second best player on the team.

[dabom]

First of all, that's a shitty post. Second off all, do you mean we don't have a 2/3scoring guard on the team. Like a player. Or do you mean until someone takes that job currently on the team. I wanna know before I go in on this.

[K...]

First of all, that's a shitty post. Second off all, do you mean we don't have a 2/3scoring guard on the team. Like a player. Or do you mean until someone takes that job currently on the team. I wanna know before I go in on this.

It's a great post and it's clearly written. Obv you think Patty is better than td21. That's fine.

[dabom]

It's a great post and it's clearly written. Obv you think Patty is better than td21. That's fine.
K you should know by now. History has always been on my side. Why do choose to always be wrong? :lol

[K...]

K you should know by know. History has always been on my side. Why do choose to always be wrong? :lol

How can I be wrong? I only stated that I understood the other posters point. I actually do like patty. I have no objection to him starting etc but he needs to earn it. He has not been better than Parker for long periods. Parker is consistent and limited. Patty is inconsistent and limited

[dabom]

How can I be wrong? I only stated that I understood the other posters point. I actually do like patty. I have no objection to him starting etc but he needs to earn it. He has not been better than Parker for long periods. Parker is consistent and limited. Patty is inconsistent and limited

Have you not seen the last 3 playoffs. Parker is playing for the other team. Send Tony to the bench and hope he can have some vintage Tony series.

[TD 21]

It's a great post and it's clearly written. Obv you think Patty is better than td21. That's fine.

It's not even about who's better; it's about who's a better fit to start.

I know it's mostly trolling, but :lmao at anyone who legitimately thinks two shooters, that can't create or make plays, should start together in the back court, alongside a third perimeter player with tunnel vision.

[dabom]

Why is Tony starting then cause the guy can't make plays better than mills at this point. Atleast mills can space the starting unit. Porker can't even shoot at this point. Not in crunch time atleast. :lmao

[YGWHI]

I know it's mostly trolling, but :lmao at anyone who legitimately thinks two shooters, that can't create or make plays, should start together in the back court, alongside a third perimeter player with tunnel vision.

Well, that 3rd perimeter player "with tunnel vision" is -now- way better as ball-handler in pick and roll situations than our guards (Kawhi
1.13 PPP 51.5 FG%, 96.7 percentile Parker 0.89 PPP 47.2 FG% 57.4 percentile Manu 0.67 PPP 36.4 FG% 19.7 percentile)

Also, Parker's biggest strengths aren't exactly playmaker skills/court vision...

I can see a lot of P&Rs between Parker-Gasol/LMA in this new regular season but they will become ineffective like those Parker/LMA became in last playoffs.

That's the real issue. How bad Parker's game will look in playoffs.

[hater]

4th best player is Gasol.

Then Green

Then Mills

Then Anderson

Then that's it.

[hater]

Fellas do we have anyone else with a shit in the team??? Holy shit we have a scrub team after.our big 4

We have no chance of a shot in hell tbh

Excited to see Gasol in silver and black thou

[cutewizard]

A team is MORE than the sum of its parts.

[cutewizard]

In physics and management, there is such a thing called EMERGENCE. When a team becomes more than the sum of its parts.

And, it is my humble opinion, that this edition of the Spurs will reveal an Emergent system.

[TheGreatYacht]

4th best player is Gasol.

Then Green

Then Mills

Then Anderson

Then that's it.
Completely agreed

[SAGirl]

In physics and management, there is such a thing called EMERGENCE. When a team becomes more than the sum of its parts.

And, it is my humble opinion, that this edition of the Spurs will reveal an Emergent system.

I like that concept. I don't think last season's team ever achieved that point.

[TD 21]

Well, that 3rd perimeter player "with tunnel vision" is -now- way better as ball-handler in pick and roll situations than our guards (Kawhi
1.13 PPP 51.5 FG%, 96.7 percentile Parker 0.89 PPP 47.2 FG% 57.4 percentile Manu 0.67 PPP 36.4 FG% 19.7 percentile)

Also, Parker's biggest strengths aren't exactly playmaker skills/court vision...

I can see a lot of P&Rs between Parker-Gasol/LMA in this new regular season but they will become ineffective like those Parker/LMA became in last playoffs.

That's the real issue. How bad Parker's game will look in playoffs.

Unless the points per possession encompasses the team and not them individually, those numbers are irrelevant.

Also, how many did Leonard run in comparison to Parker and Ginobili? Low volume is borderline irrelevant, like Parker's three-point percentage.

Parker's play making and vision may not be strengths relative to the elite in those areas, but they're still superior to every other perimeter player on the team not named Ginobili.

[skulls138]

Well, that 3rd perimeter player "with tunnel vision" is -now- way better as ball-handler in pick and roll situations than our guards (Kawhi
1.13 PPP 51.5 FG%, 96.7 percentile Parker 0.89 PPP 47.2 FG% 57.4 percentile Manu 0.67 PPP 36.4 FG% 19.7 percentile)

Also, Parker's biggest strengths aren't exactly playmaker skills/court vision...

I can see a lot of P&Rs between Parker-Gasol/LMA in this new regular season but they will become ineffective like those Parker/LMA became in last playoffs.

That's the real issue. How bad Parker's game will look in playoffs.I have to believe that Parker knows whats up and is readying himself like never before. Of course hes not as spry as he was but whatever happens it wont be because hes not giving 100%. What I dont see people say is that we needed Parkers points last year. People call it hero ball and selfishness but KL and LMA werent scoring enough and great passing wasnt going to be enough. When we had the beautiful game EVERYONE was passing but with the acquisition of LMA and KLs new iso game the beautiful game had to go by the wayside. This was not Parkers fault.

[skulls138]

A team is MORE than the sum of its parts. :tu

[Seventyniner]

I have to believe that Parker knows whats up and is readying himself like never before. Of course hes not as spry as he was but whatever happens it wont be because hes not giving 100%. What I dont see people say is that we needed Parkers points last year. People call it hero ball and selfishness but KL and LMA werent scoring enough and great passing wasnt going to be enough. When we had the beautiful game EVERYONE was passing but with the acquisition of LMA and KLs new iso game the beautiful game had to go by the wayside. This was not Parkers fault.

Agree here. Duncan just couldn't score post-injury, and Danny's offensive game is meant to be a 5th option.

Even then, Parker's usage and FGA per 36 were the lowest since his rookie season, while his turnover % was in line with his career average. I expect Parker to have even lower usage and FGA per 36 because Gasol should be the 3rd option, he's an actual offensive threat.

[SASdynasty!]

Why is Tony starting then cause the guy can't make plays better than mills at this point. Atleast mills can space the starting unit. Porker can't even shoot at this point. Not in crunch time atleast. :lmao
Parker has been a better 3 point shooter than Mills the last 2 seasons.
Parker has always been a better creator than Mills.
Parker has always been a better shooter than Mills.
Parker continues to hit big shots in crunch time (game-winner over silver medal team).

[hater]

Yup plus MVParker is >>>>> the defender Mills is.

Sure overall Parker is a poor defender but Mills is possibly of the the worst defenders in the history of the round ball

[YGWHI]

Unless the points per possession encompasses the team and not them individually, those numbers are irrelevant.
We're talking about the Spurs...those numbers aren't irrelevant.


Also, how many did Leonard run in comparison to Parker and Ginobili?
Enough to qualify.
http://i.imgur.com/NPWE1lB.png




Parker's play making and vision may not be strengths relative to the elite in those areas, but they're still superior to every other perimeter player on the team not named Ginobili.
Not really, even Kyle is a more talented passer than Parker.

[YGWHI]

I have to believe that Parker knows whats up and is readying himself like never before. Of course hes not as spry as he was but whatever happens it wont be because hes not giving 100%. What I dont see people say is that we needed Parkers points last year. People call it hero ball and selfishness but KL and LMA werent scoring enough and great passing wasnt going to be enough. When we had the beautiful game EVERYONE was passing but with the acquisition of LMA and KLs new iso game the beautiful game had to go by the wayside. This was not Parkers fault.

I guess people expected that Parker was more a facilitator of the Kawhi/LMA offense, creating plays for them, instead of looking for his own shot in crucial minutes of playoffs games.

Also, Kawhi/LMA scored enough. They scored 50 ppg combined, almost matched Durant/Westbrook production (53 ppg).

But if you said we won't need a great passing game since we're now an iso-team, at this point Patty is a better shooter and can beat his man easier than Parker, it would make sense if Mills plays more minutes than Parker after all.

[james evans]

nice find. the future is now. unless pop gets in the way :rolleyes


:toast
Popovich really is the fucking problem. As bad as Parker is, It's up to Pop to sit his ass down when he's playing bad. It's as if when someone is playing too good, he benches them and when a player is struggling, he leaves them on the court to find their groove. It's the most confusing shit I've ever seen as a spurs fan. That's shit you u do in the preseason, not the regular season and fucking playoffs. And he does it to make himself look like a genius if something miraculous occurs. I personally think he's lost it cuz he's been having trouble adjusting much over the years. Starting Diaw over Splitter in 2014 WCF(something I said he should do beforehand and a few posters here thought I was crazy) was one of the last great adjustments he's made since 2014. That old man needs to stop fucking around

[cutewizard]

Our lead point guard is an ageing one......

Murray is not yet a point guard, though he has potential....

Patty Mills is a shooting guard in a point guard's body

So it makes sense to have a look at another pure point guard, NICOLAS:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czAQt8pF7_Q


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0ckvyJlwZY

[gambit1990]

parker wasn't even a top 3 spur in the olympics.

[TheGreatYacht]

Our lead point guard is an ageing one......

Murray is not yet a point guard, though he has potential....

Patty Mills is a shooting guard in a point guard's body

So it makes sense to have a look at another pure point guard, NICOLAS:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czAQt8pF7_Q


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0ckvyJlwZY
I just threw up. Keep that slow Unathletic faggot away

[Spurtacular]

Diaw? west? Boban?

Imo gotta be Bobo. He makes our bench 10x better.

You're no less gay than apalisoc_9. In fact, I'm betting you're the same fucker.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Best Gasol, Kawhi, LMA

Gotta be the best front court in the league.

[Chinook]

I wonder if this is how the units will end up looking:

PG: Parker/Mills/Murray
SG: Green/Ginobili/Simmons
SF: Leonard/Anderson/Garino
PF: Aldridge/Lee/Bertans
C: Dedmon/Gasol/LJC

(Adjustments to a potential other 15th man would shift guys around)

That seems one of the most likely ones on paper, and you'd have essentially the same roles for both units

Ball-handler (Parker, Manu)

Shooting guard (Green, Mills)

Iso wing (Leonard, Anderson)

Iso big (LMA, Gasol)

Finishing/rebounding big (Dedmon, Lee)

This would balance out the scoring loads of the top-four offensive players on the team, while also easing the offensive burden of the guards. The defense is imbalanced as shit, though. Anderson and Gasol would really have to step up, or else one of Garino or LJC would have to make the team/rotation and make an impact. Or the team would have to trade Mills for a guard who can defend. If two of more of those things happen, the Spurs could be a deadly, deadly team.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

I wonder if this is how the units will end up looking:

PG: Parker/Mills/Murray
SG: Green/Ginobili/Simmons
SF: Leonard/Anderson/Garino
PF: Aldridge/Lee/Bertans
C: Dedmon/Gasol/LJC

(Adjustments to a potential other 15th man would shift guys around)

That seems one of the most likely ones on paper, and you'd have essentially the same roles for both units

Ball-handler (Parker, Manu)

Shooting guard (Green, Mills)

Iso wing (Leonard, Anderson)

Iso big (LMA, Gasol)

Finishing/rebounding big (Dedmon, Lee)

This would balance out the scoring loads of the top-four offensive players on the team, while also easing the offensive burden of the guards. The defense is imbalanced as shit, though. Anderson and Gasol would really have to step up, or else one of Garino or LJC would have to make the team/rotation and make an impact. Or the team would have to trade Mills for a guard who can defend. If two of more of those things happen, the Spurs could be a deadly, deadly team.

Deadmon our starting center? :lol

[Chinook]

Deadmon our starting center? :lol

Guess you missed that report.

[Spurtacular]

I'm a faggot

[dabom]

Guess you missed that report.

Link.

[dabom]

Do people see a trend? Dwest/Dedmon starting center for the Spurs. @thinktank :lmao

[K...]

Link.

It was speculation from high level real gm sources alleging lower level spurs coaches were considering the scenario

[dabom]

It was speculation from high level real gm sources alleging lower level spurs coaches were considering the scenario

So "ThinkTank" takes it as proof to assume the dude is gonna start for the fucking Spurs? :lol

[SAGirl]

I wonder if this is how the units will end up looking:

PG: Parker/Mills/Murray
SG: Green/Ginobili/Simmons
SF: Leonard/Anderson/Garino
PF: Aldridge/Lee/Bertans
C: Dedmon/Gasol/LJC

(Adjustments to a potential other 15th man would shift guys around)

That seems one of the most likely ones on paper, and you'd have essentially the same roles for both units

Ball-handler (Parker, Manu)

Shooting guard (Green, Mills)

Iso wing (Leonard, Anderson)

Iso big (LMA, Gasol)

Finishing/rebounding big (Dedmon, Lee)

This would balance out the scoring loads of the top-four offensive players on the team, while also easing the offensive burden of the guards. The defense is imbalanced as shit, though. Anderson and Gasol would really have to step up, or else one of Garino or LJC would have to make the team/rotation and make an impact. Or the team would have to trade Mills for a guard who can defend. If two of more of those things happen, the Spurs could be a deadly, deadly team.
Interesting post. It might in the end be how Pop plays it but the real question is Gasol. How will Pop manage that ego?
Also, how about playmaking? TD provided a lot of playmaking and passing for the SL, maybe LMA can step into that role, that is probably what is required but he hasn't shown to be that good of a playmaker for his career.

The second unit has other issues of their own. The Lee and Gasol tandem together is a scary, scary tandem on defense and the impact a wing can have on them other than rebounding is unknown. They won't fix the problems in the paint or the terrible PnR defense with Mills. Manu is older and when he sits you are not getting an upgrade with Simmons there. I'd really hope Pop goes a different direction, but he won't trust Bertans right away I am sure.

[sasaint]

Interesting post. It might in the end be how Pop plays it but the real question is Gasol. How will Pop manage that ego?
Also, how about playmaking? TD provided a lot of playmaking and passing for the SL, maybe LMA can step into that role, that is probably what is required but he hasn't shown to be that good of a playmaker for his career.

The second unit has other issues of their own. The Lee and Gasol tandem together is a scary, scary tandem on defense and the impact a wing can have on them other than rebounding is unknown. They won't fix the problems in the paint or the terrible PnR defense with Mills. Manu is older and when he sits you are not getting an upgrade with Simmons there. I'd really hope Pop goes a different direction, but he won't trust Bertans right away I am sure.

No me gusta. The 2nd team has all the playmakers except Tony.

[SAGirl]

No me gusta. The 2nd team has all the playmakers except Tony.
I agree. It's why I mentioned playmaking specifically and depending who you ask, Tony is not a natural playmaker either. All of his playmaking actions are "choreographed". He actually misses teammates in good scoring position often bc he's not always looking to set up or to pass to somebody.

The second unit has defensive liabilities all jumbled together. I actually think Pop will need someone else to be a playmaker in the SL and they are probably counting on Pau to play a role similar to Tim with the Hi-Lo passes and the lobs to Kawhi.

[ElNono]

I wonder if this is how the units will end up looking:

PG: Parker/Mills/Murray
SG: Green/Ginobili/Simmons
SF: Leonard/Anderson/Garino
PF: Aldridge/Lee/Bertans
C: Dedmon/Gasol/LJC

How about...

PG: Parker/Mills/Murray
SG: Green/Ginobili/Simmons
SF: Leonard/Bertans/Garino
PF: Aldridge/Lee/Anderson
C: Gasol/Dedmon/LJC

I can see Anderson being played over Lee and/or Lee taking Dedmon mins if he doesn't work out too.

[dabom]

How about...

PG: Parker/Mills/Murray
SG: Green/Ginobili/Simmons
SF: Leonard/Bertans/Garino
PF: Aldridge/Lee/Anderson
C: Gasol/Dedmon/LJC

I can see Anderson being played over Lee and/or Lee taking Dedmon mins if he doesn't work out too.

I can see this. I can also see Fathead get less minutes in the playoffs this season. :lol

[apalisoc_9]

I can see this. I can also see Fathead get less minutes in the playoffs this season. :lol

How you holding up in the offseason bro? Offseason is so long

[DeRozan m8]

Can Anderson just f*ck off already?

[dabom]

How you holding up in the offseason bro? Offseason is so long

Pokemon Go. :lol

Seriously. :lol

[YGWHI]

PG: Parker/Mills/Murray

SG: Green/Ginobili/Simmons

SF: Leonard/Anderson/Garino

PF: Aldridge/Lee/Bertans

C: Gasol/Dedmon/LJC

I could hardly believe it when I read "the report" about Gasol coming off the bench, and can hardly believe it now. I doubt that Pau accepts that role.

Also, I fear that LMA will leave the team after this season.

He sacrificed his own individual statistics for the good of the team, to win a ring.

This new season he will have to play along with Parker/Kawhi/Gasol in the starting lineup, other three high-USG% players...It's likely that LMA and Kawhi will take less shots to help to add Gasol to the frontcourt, once again LMA's numbers decrease.

I wouldn't blame him if he jumps on the Cavs/Warriors/some-shit badwagon next season, at least he will play the Finals.

[SAGirl]

PG: Parker/Mills/Murray

SG: Green/Ginobili/Simmons

SF: Leonard/Anderson/Garino

PF: Aldridge/Lee/Bertans

C: Gasol/Dedmon/LJC

I could hardly believe it when I read "the report" about Gasol coming off the bench, and can hardly believe it now. I doubt that Pau accepts that role.

Also, I fear that LMA will leave the team after this season.

He sacrificed his own individual statistics for the good of the team, to win a ring.

This new season he will have to play along with Parker/Kawhi/Gasol in the starting lineup, other three high-USG% players...It's likely that LMA and Kawhi will take less shots to help to add Gasol to the frontcourt, once again LMA's numbers decrease.

I wouldn't blame him if he jumps on the Cavs/Warriors/some-shit badwagon next season, at least he will play the Finals.
It would be a bad omen. If LMA leaves, Kawhi will have to be traded the following season in all likelihood and the team on to a rebuild. While LMA is not the most important player in the team (Kawhi is), no team can be considered a real contender without a legit quality big. Pau is going to get into TOSB territory soon after LMA leaves in your scenario and won't be able to shoulder that burden on his own. It would put in perspective Pop holding on to his vestige backcourt until the end and not upgrading positions of need. I am sure reference to Tim retiring would be made by PATFO but not to Pop standing pat in the backcourt. Dijon growing up as a player would actually bail them out. He could be a difference maker.

I don't think as grim as you do. By all accounts LMA has been happy here. They have some young players they are developing to replenish the talent pool and really the only thing that can be said is that Pop holding on to Tony and not looking for a more immediate PG upgrade than Dijon who is a project right now may come back and bite them in the ass.

[Chinook]

LMA can't leave after this season. There's no point in considering anything extending from that erroneous premise.

[YGWHI]

LMA has been happy here...

He has been happy while playing along with Tim who had a small offensive role last season. But Paul's addition will demand a larger role, that's why Spurs' distribution of shots will be an issue, the three main scorers are all frontcourt players.

To me, the Spurs have to keep LMA happy. LMA has to be happy here, and to a lesser extend, since he has grown in Spurs' sacrifice culture, Kawhi. I just hope that Pop, Parker, especially Gasol, understand it.

[YGWHI]

Since LMA didn't sign a contract with a clause that prevent him to demand a trade...He can do it.

[SAGirl]

LMA can't leave after this season. There's no point in considering anything extending from that erroneous premise.
Thanks for clarifying that. :tu

[SAGirl]

He has been happy while playing along with Tim who had a small offensive role last season. But Paul's addition will demand a larger role, that's why Spurs' distribution of shots will be an issue, the three main scorers are all frontcourt players.

To me, the Spurs have to keep LMA happy. LMA has to be happy here, and to a lesser extend, since he has grown in Spurs' sacrifice culture, Kawhi. I just hope that Pop, Parker, especially Gasol, understand it.
It's a good point that made me think of a salsa song that said: "no hay cama para tanta gente." I am sure not many have heard the song it's old you basically have to be Caribbean or from NY or something to get the reference.... anyways basically too many mouths to feed. Similar situation to the one projected to be faced with the GSW and Klay Thompson. One could argue upgrading the PG spot was more important than getting Gasol. It's valid.

[tholdren]

It would be a bad omen. If LMA leaves, Kawhi will have to be traded the following season in all likelihood and the team on to a rebuild. While LMA is not the most important player in the team (Kawhi is), no team can be considered a real contender without a legit quality big. Pau is going to get into TOSB territory soon after LMA leaves in your scenario and won't be able to shoulder that burden on his own. It would put in perspective Pop holding on to his vestige backcourt until the end and not upgrading positions of need. I am sure reference to Tim retiring would be made by PATFO but not to Pop standing pat in the backcourt. Dijon growing up as a player would actually bail them out. He could be a difference maker.

I don't think as grim as you do. By all accounts LMA has been happy here. They have some young players they are developing to replenish the talent pool and really the only thing that can be said is that Pop holding on to Tony and not looking for a more immediate PG upgrade than Dijon who is a project right now may come back and bite them in the ass.
wtf?

[lefty20]

One could argue upgrading the PG spot was more important than getting Gasol. It's valid.

That would've involved moving Parker, which is quite difficult to say the least. Add in his current contract and it practically becomes an impossible feat.

Jokes aside, I really do want Parker to retire a Spur. Spurs simply got the best viable option, after Durant, in the free agency and are hoping Pop can make it work.

[skulls138]

Getting a pure PG may not be necessary. We have KA, Ginobili, Mills and Parker to bring the ball up the court. I want to see what KA can do as Point Forward honestly, getting a PG to span between Parker and Dejounte wouldnt allow that to happen and PF is KAs strongest suit, probably by far.

[dabom]

Fathead is the worst offensive player on the team. I don't want him anywhere near the ball. :lmao

[YGWHI]

Similar situation to the one projected to be faced with the GSW and Klay Thompson.
Well, it's not exactly the same situation...

Warriors signed a four-time scoring champion in his prime, the Spurs signed Gasol who's 36 years old and way behind his prime.

With Warriors' style, they can increase a bit their pace to give Thompson almost the same FGAs he had in the previous season, the Spurs can't do it.

[SAGirl]

Well, it's not exactly the same situation...

Warriors signed a four-time scoring champion in his prime, the Spurs signed Gasol who's 36 years old and way behind his prime.

With Warriors' style, they can increase a bit their pace to give Thompson almost the same FGAs he had in the previous season, the Spurs can't do it.
It's really on Pop and Gasol IMO. I think in the end there were games (specially against good defensive teams) that only Kawhi and LMA could score. Danny's season long slump and Tony's streakiness together with Tim's injury left the SL offense very dependent on the big 2, in the playoffs they doubled LMA specially so Gasol should help LMA out. IMO they will be better not worse and they will all come to see how they each make each other better, in my ideal world that is. It's my impression GSol enjoys passing and making plays for others and I suspect one of them, probably one of the 2 bigs will play with the bench at times as Pop figures out rotations that he likes. It might be Gasol. I think they will work it out. I am very optimistic about the team. They don't necessarily beat GSW this season and yet they might, but they will need contributions from the younger players and that's uncertain.

[spurs10]

It's really on Pop and Gasol IMO. I think in the end there were games (specially against good defensive teams) that only Kawhi and LMA could score. Danny's season long slump and Tony's streakiness together with Tim's injury left the SL offense very dependent on the big 2, in the playoffs they doubled LMA specially so Gasol should help LMA out. IMO they will be better not worse and they will all come to see how they each make each other better, in my ideal world that is. It's my impression GSol enjoys passing and making plays for others and I suspect one of them, probably one of the 2 bigs will play with the bench at times as Pop figures out rotations that he likes. It might be Gasol. I think they will work it out. I am very optimistic about the team. They don't necessarily beat GSW this season and yet they might, but they will need contributions from the younger players and that's uncertain. If Danny can continue to right the ship we have a team that could surprise a few people. Gasol knows how it feels to win. He was impressive in the Olympics as well.

[gambit1990]

4th best player is Gasol.

Then Green

Then Mills

Then Anderson

Then that's it.

Completely agreed

the two of them thought parker was the 3rd best spur as recently as august :lmao

[PopTheGOAT]

1. Kawhi 2. Aldridge 3. Gasol?? Simmons? 4. Whoever isn't 3

[kaji157]

As of now, the "Big 3", of the season is Kawhi, LA and Mills. With Simmons, Dedmon and Manu hanging in there for the 4th spot. Gasol is also starting to show something.

[Chinook]

The third-best player on the team has been injured.

[hater]

Without a decent parker we are a round 1 exit team.

Hopefully he recovers his game or we have no shot in hell w out him

[DAF86]

1-Kawhi

2-Aldridge


3-Green

4-Mills
5-Gasol
6-Manu
7-Dedmon

8-Simmons
9-Lee

10-Parker
11-Bertans*
12-Anderson
13-Lapprovitola
14-Forbes
15-Murray

*could be much higher if given the chance.

[Pocho La Pantera]

Manu>>>>Parker, op has no clue, as usual.