Heat: LeBron's long fadeaways? [Archive]

baseline bum

01-14-2016, 11:17 PM

There were three times tonight I remember him getting a really favorable iso, once on Duncan, once Aldridge, and once Mills, where he just bailed the Spurs out by taking a fadeaway three or long two. I don't understand that at all, Miami LeBron was going to the rim for two and possibly an and-1 every time he got a switch like that. I can't imagine how frustrated Cavs fans must have been watching that tonight.

TDMVPDPOY

01-14-2016, 11:24 PM

faggot is scared cause kawhis aura is upkeep 100% all the time...

Reck

01-14-2016, 11:28 PM

His body also is breaking down at this point so he's avoiding heavy contact down low.

This is the price you pay for juicing.

UNT Eagles 2016

01-14-2016, 11:30 PM

Kyrie was doing better than Lebron tbh

TDMVPDPOY

01-14-2016, 11:31 PM

Kyrie was doing better than Lebron tbh

he didnt do shit first half

first half was all lebron, shumps, smith ... it went downhill when they tried to play defense doing stupid fouls

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01-14-2016, 11:32 PM

He's a fake. A Media concoction.

Arcadian

01-14-2016, 11:34 PM

faggot is scared cause kawhis aura is upkeep 100% all the time...

This. He tried to drive on Kawhi and got his shit sent back. He didnt forget.

Arcadian

01-14-2016, 11:36 PM

The Spurs are the best team at neutralizing Lebron. They're built to win it all.

DMC

01-15-2016, 12:03 AM

He was cramping up, you could see it. He couldn't move and fouled a few times intentionally to sit down. He gained too much muscle mass too quickly, hasn't gotten used to the extra weight.

TDMVPDPOY

01-15-2016, 12:08 AM

u know when he hits those shots, he walks with a swagger down the court

but he wont take another jumpshot cause he knows his a streaky shooter...

Killakobe81

01-15-2016, 12:09 AM

He was cramping up, you could see it. He couldn't move and fouled a few times intentionally to sit down. He gained too much muscle mass too quickly, hasn't gotten used to the extra weight.

It was something ...still why does he always get cramps vs Spur?
The Kiwi flu?

DMC

01-15-2016, 12:14 AM

It was something ...still why does he always get cramps vs Spur?
The Kiwi flu?
Cause Pop runs the fuck out of him when he's out there. He does it against other teams as well, you just don't watch those games.

Killakobe81

01-15-2016, 07:43 AM

Cause Pop runs the fuck out of him when he's out there. He does it against other teams as well, you just don't watch those games.

I watch enough cavs games to see he dominates other decent wing defenders but when the King sees Kiwi he turns bitch

TDMVPDPOY

01-15-2016, 08:09 AM

I watch enough cavs games to see he dominates other decent wing defenders but when the King sees Kiwi he turns bitch

besides butler, all t hose other wings he dominates against are fkn scrubs who only play offense and no defense...especially that pos kd beta cuck maid

Biernutz

01-15-2016, 08:15 AM

They pass him the ball with the 24sec clock winding down and he tries to make something
happen.

TDMVPDPOY

01-15-2016, 08:29 AM

They pass him the ball with the 24sec clock winding down and he tries to make something
happen.

there was a reason why kawhi was 2-7 when he was on the floor with t hat pos who fed him the ball at the wrong time, setting up kawhi to fail nothing to see here

pgardn

01-15-2016, 09:03 AM

Too much muscle in this game plays a huge role in fatigue.

Lebron is way too big. He must do a Duncan and lose weight at this point in his career.

Killakobe81

01-15-2016, 09:14 AM

They pass him the ball with the 24sec clock winding down and he tries to make something
happen.

That was mot happening every posession just stop. Besidess he is the star. When kiwi wanted the rock he called for it ...James should have taken over when Cavs were reeling but he could not. Kiwi wouldnt allow it.

TDMVPDPOY

01-15-2016, 10:12 AM

That was mot happening every posession just stop. Besidess he is the star. When kiwi wanted the rock he called for it ...James should have taken over when Cavs were reeling but he could not. Kiwi wouldnt allow it.

when he hit that first shot fade away...pop goes and bench him, talk about stopping the man whose trying to get going

3rd quarter straight out of the block attacks the rim to get going...

Shane27

01-15-2016, 10:14 AM

Too much muscle in this game plays a huge role in fatigue.

Lebron is way too big. He must do a Duncan and lose weight at this point in his career.

Lebron really isn't THAT big muscle wise. You're acting like he's dwight howard.

Shane27

01-15-2016, 10:15 AM

pgardn

01-15-2016, 11:03 AM

Lebron really isn't THAT big muscle wise. You're acting like he's dwight howard.

Height and weight?

He is too big and it causes him to fatigue, it's horribly obvious. He is older, has been injured, he needs to lose weight.
End of story. He can be a better player if he can last longer in a game. He will last longer in games if he is lighter. This sport requires the ability to do a lot of hard running and shoving and recover quickly. You can't go to the sidelines while the D is on the field. He does not recover well after a hard series of plays. You saw it AGAIN last night.

And Lebron is not a center (Howard) nor a power forward. He is a ball handler. This is a huge part of his game. If you want him to stop moving as much and handling just relegate him to a PF. It is very taxing on an offensive player who has a defensive player that can hound him effectively with th ball, make him work with the ball...

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01-15-2016, 11:07 AM

Height and weight?

He is too big and it causes him to fatigue, it's horribly obvious. He is older, has been injured, he needs to lose weight.
End of story. He can be a better player if he can last longer in a game. He will last longer in games if he is lighter. This sport requires the ability to do a lot of hard running and shoving and recover quickly. You can't go to the sidelines while the D is on the field. He does not recover well after a hard series of plays. You saw it AGAIN last night.

He is what he is. He was in dire need of Media torture, but, that is not done any longer. And James suffered for it.

pgardn

01-15-2016, 11:15 AM

He is what he is. He was in dire need of Media torture, but, that is not done any longer. And James suffered for it.

I would bet 90% of this board has ever been in really good shape and have no idea how much affect weight has on sports that require endurance and the ability to recover.

Ginobilly

01-15-2016, 11:30 AM

The main reason is because of the Spurs complicated ball movement( he said it himself back in 03) that tires him out. Players scramble and run hard to cover the Spurs quick ball movement. Spurs also go deep into the bench to play this way. It's no surprise Bron struggles against teams who know how to play bball( GS/Spurs). Every other team in league run mostly iso's and predictable offense/defense which allows Bron to have an easier time scoring and getting to his spots.

Killakobe81

01-15-2016, 11:40 AM

He is what he is. He was in dire need of Media torture, but, that is not done any longer. And James suffered for it.

The media is like Deeps or the Kobe first fans people complain about on LG. When Lebron wins we all must bare witness but when he loses or gets outplayed by Iggy or Kiwi in a game:

He is tired ...
He has no help ...
It's Mo williams fault ..
Mike Brown's fault ...
David Blatt's fault ...
Spo's fault ...
Gilbert's fault ...
Ferry's fault ...
Boobie's fault ...
Wade and Bosh for getting older ...
Delonte's fault for banging his mom ...

It's sooo crazy. the guy is great best athlete in the world . Insane vision speed strength. Won two tiitles twice as many MVP's but the excuses are plentiful ...

DPG21920

01-15-2016, 12:21 PM

Shane27

01-15-2016, 12:41 PM

I would bet 90% of this board has ever been in really good shape and have no idea how much affect weight has on sports that require endurance and the ability to recover.

Lebron isn't really overweight for someone his height. If he loses weight he'll be a stick. I've gained 30 pounds of mostly muscle over the last 3 years, and my conditioning is better than it was when I was lighter. Obviously everyone is different, but I don't think Lebron would benefit by losing weight. His strength is what allows him to score at the rim so easily.

Killakobe81

01-15-2016, 01:00 PM

:lmao Killakobe

Laker fans never scrutinized Kobe to this level. :cry Lebron had 22/7/5 on 53% shooting but lost to a team on pace to win 70 games and that is undefeated at home why aren't people killing him :cry

Meanwhile "Kobe is 6-24 he's a champion who-hoo. Kobe Kobe Kobe"

Didnt say he should get killed. He didnt even pay bad just mediocre. I even posted upstairs he may have been dehydrated which DMC mentioned as well. Thread wants him tortured not me i am just reporting what I see. This is not about Kobe but i even said you sound like a LG Kobe stan when it comes to LeBron. Again great player who imho is the most naturally gifted athlete i have ever seen in person. More than Kobe ir even Jordan.He also has lived up to most of his hype. I already have him over Bird as my GOAT sf said it many times. But even Bird gave Nique his spanking in 86. Nique played well Bird was mire dominant and better.
Is it wrong for me to expect him to do that to Kiwi? Just last year he was putting on a show in Final games 1-4 the likes no kne has ever seen not even MJ. Read those threads i was ready to crown him as possible goat if they won.But yet here we are 6 months later and Kiwi is limiting again with help but with KL doing the heavy lifting. Ko piston level Jordan rules or though play iust a young hungry kuwi with smart help defenders. LeBron to pass Mj he needs to dominate despite that ...if not he will be 2nd best at best.

DPG21920

01-15-2016, 01:05 PM

So he's second at best - then why are you dissecting him? Even you have him over Kobe, does that mean you dissect Kobe even worse since he did less?

Killakobe81

01-15-2016, 01:26 PM

So he's second at best - then why are you dissecting him? Even you have him over Kobe, does that mean you dissect Kobe even worse since he did less?

You are so cute. Kobe has many flaws not taking matchups personal is not one of those ...but again not about him.

Killakobe81

01-15-2016, 01:29 PM

So he's second at best - then why are you dissecting him? Even you have him over Kobe, does that mean you dissect Kobe even worse since he did less?

Nope Kobe already tried and failed. LEbron is the one taking the test now ...Kobe is on the seniors tour.

DMC

01-15-2016, 02:30 PM

I watch enough cavs games to see he dominates other decent wing defenders but when the King sees Kiwi he turns bitch

He knows he cannot dominate Kawhi. If your Kobe wasn't a corpse, he'd find that out the hard way as well.

DMC

01-15-2016, 02:32 PM

Didnt say he should get killed. He didnt even pay bad just mediocre. I even posted upstairs he may have been dehydrated which DMC mentioned as well. Thread wants him tortured not me i am just reporting what I see. This is not about Kobe but i even said you sound like a LG Kobe stan when it comes to LeBron. Again great player who imho is the most naturally gifted athlete i have ever seen in person. More than Kobe ir even Jordan.He also has lived up to most of his hype. I already have him over Bird as my GOAT sf said it many times. But even Bird gave Nique his spanking in 86. Nique played well Bird was mire dominant and better.
Is it wrong for me to expect him to do that to Kiwi? Just last year he was putting on a show in Final games 1-4 the likes no kne has ever seen not even MJ. Read those threads i was ready to crown him as possible goat if they won.But yet here we are 6 months later and Kiwi is limiting again with help but with KL doing the heavy lifting. Ko piston level Jordan rules or though play iust a young hungry kuwi with smart help defenders. LeBron to pass Mj he needs to dominate despite that ...if not he will be 2nd best at best.

You have a heavy bias against things that challenge Kobe's position in the history of the game. You'll deny it, of course, but it's evident by your responses. I doubt you've ever said Kobe turned bitch at any point in his career. You'll do so now just to say you did.

Also, why do you say "if they won"? his performance didn't change, win or lose. How is his position lessened if his team loses since he was playing alongside scrubs? If his performance dropped and that led to the loss, ok.. but he got more Finals MVP votes than Curry got.

DMC

01-15-2016, 02:36 PM

The media is like Deeps or the Kobe first fans people complain about on LG. When Lebron wins we all must bare witness but when he loses or gets outplayed by Iggy or Kiwi in a game:

He is tired ...
He has no help ...
It's Mo williams fault ..
Mike Brown's fault ...
David Blatt's fault ...
Spo's fault ...
Gilbert's fault ...
Ferry's fault ...
Boobie's fault ...
Wade and Bosh for getting older ...
Delonte's fault for banging his mom ...

It's sooo crazy. the guy is great best athlete in the world . Insane vision speed strength. Won two tiitles twice as many MVP's but the excuses are plentiful ...

Excuses for what?

You just excused Kobe by saying he was on the seniors tour. He's playing a lot of minutes in the fucking NBA. That's not the seniors tour, it's just a convenient way for you to overlook the fact that he's taking another huge wet shit on the fanbois like you who worship him.

Killakobe81

01-15-2016, 02:37 PM

You have a heavy bias against things that challenge Kobe's position in the history of the game. You'll deny it, of course, but it's evident by your responses. I doubt you've ever said Kobe turned bitch at any point in his career. You'll do so now just to say you did.

Also, why do you say "if they won"? his performance didn't change, win or lose. How is his position lessened if his team loses since he was playing alongside scrubs? If his performance dropped and that led to the loss, ok.. but he got more Finals MVP votes than Curry got.

Again you can define LeBron/Kobe/Mj anyway that you wish. This is my GOAT list not yours. Winning against a better team Like Gstate with the type of performance he was giving the first 3 or 4 games ABSOLUTELY changes things for me.

If Rings dont matter of course he is better than Kobe, no doubts about it. He might be better than MJ too ...but that is debatable. But they do matter and so MJ is GOAT.

DPG21920

01-15-2016, 02:40 PM

He's better than Kobe. Period

Killakobe81

01-15-2016, 02:41 PM

Excuses for what?

You just excused Kobe by saying he was on the seniors tour. He's playing a lot of minutes in the fucking NBA. That's not the seniors tour, it's just a convenient way for you to overlook the fact that he's taking another huge wet shit on the fanbois like you who worship him.

No I am saying he already failed. The farewell tour doesnt matter in a GOAT conversation because he already failed in that regard. Unless ...

You or Deeps are arguing Kobe is still in the GOAT conversation because I thought we already agreed he is not the GOAT player or even SG (too bad for him Mj owns both).

So if we are talking Bron and why he may not surpass jordan why would Kobe matter if he already has failed to do so?

Killakobe81

01-15-2016, 02:43 PM

He's better than Kobe. Period

No arguments here. We talking Lebron and MJ. Kobe has already failed.

DPG21920

01-15-2016, 02:45 PM

Killakobe81

01-15-2016, 03:13 PM

The answer has already been explained. It's because in your "GOAT" debate, even when Kobe was in your running, you never dissected him like you're doing Lebron now, did you?

Also, your focus one event (Bron vs Kawhi last night) and stats make no sense. Like I said you celebrate Kobe going 6-24 and winning a title & say Lebrons Herculean effort falling short bugs you. It's silly.

Do you not read? It wasnt just last night. My point is that it goes back to 2014. I expected a statement game based on Kiwi stealing his cookie in the Finals. I predicted cavs over Spurs in 2014 was wrong still waiting for him to avenge that in convincing fashion ...and im still waiting almost 2 years later.

I am not celebrating anything about Kobe here he failed even that 5th title wasnt enough.

DPG21920

01-15-2016, 03:16 PM

But did you dissect Kobe like this when he was taking his shot?

Killakobe81

01-15-2016, 03:20 PM

And this no disrespect to Kiwi in fact i am more impressed than ever. Maybe he does the exact same to prime Kobe we will never know but thats on LEBron and Durant to dominate KL he is invading their teritory.

pgardn

01-15-2016, 03:27 PM

Lebron isn't really overweight for someone his height. If he loses weight he'll be a stick. I've gained 30 pounds of mostly muscle over the last 3 years, and my conditioning is better than it was when I was lighter. Obviously everyone is different, but I don't think Lebron would benefit by losing weight. His strength is what allows him to score at the rim so easily.

You can be in bad shape AND skinny.
Im telling you this is an elite athlete who has too much mass for they way he wants to play with his injuries and his age. Lebron is a professional basketball player. He should be lighter than the vast majority of Americans his height that are not basketball players. I live in San Antonio. I see people everyday that weigh more than him.

He will get to the rim quicker, it will offset. Mv<mV

pgardn

01-15-2016, 03:29 PM

He's better than Kobe. Period

Kawhitstorm

01-15-2016, 04:22 PM

He was shooting jumpers when Barea was checking him in 2011 & he also did the same against Curry in 2015.:lol

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01-15-2016, 04:51 PM

He was shooting jumpers when Barea was checking him in 2011 & he also did the same against Curry in 2015.:lol

Then in '13 Battier carried his end of the log and jammed it up Duncan's well used a-hole.

DMC

01-15-2016, 04:52 PM

Again you can define LeBron/Kobe/Mj anyway that you wish. This is my GOAT list not yours. Winning against a better team Like Gstate with the type of performance he was giving the first 3 or 4 games ABSOLUTELY changes things for me.

If Rings dont matter of course he is better than Kobe, no doubts about it. He might be better than MJ too ...but that is debatable. But they do matter and so MJ is GOAT.

So why are you so upset that Lebron isn't the GOAT but close to it?

DMC

01-15-2016, 04:53 PM

Then in '13 Battier carried his end of the log and jammed it up Duncan's well used a-hole.
Was that the same year Duncan shoved his well used log up the Lakers' glory hole to the tune of a sweep?

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01-15-2016, 04:56 PM

Was that the same year Duncan shoved his well used log up the Lakers' glory hole to the tune of a sweep?

No. That wasn't the same year.

Killakobe81

01-15-2016, 05:09 PM

So why are you so upset that Lebron isn't the GOAT but close to it?

Not upset. Disappointed as I stated originally.
Upset?
Colorado, 48.5 and I get surgery on company time makes me upset ... but that is another matter.

~O~

01-15-2016, 05:32 PM

He's a fake. A Media concoction.

Wow. Didn't expect something straightforward and true from thread. Thought it would be some witty statement.

InRareForm

01-15-2016, 05:52 PM

LeBron getting more humble as the years pass. He looking like 50 year old oden

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01-15-2016, 06:00 PM

LeBron getting more humble as the years pass. He looking like 50 year old oden

You had the chance to two piece him and you ended up getting two pieced your own gd self.

ha, ha.

DMC

01-15-2016, 06:04 PM

Not upset. Disappointed as I stated originally.
Upset?
Colorado, 48.5 and I get surgery on company time makes me upset ... but that is another matter.
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01-15-2016, 06:05 PM

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DMC

01-15-2016, 06:10 PM

No I am saying he already failed. The farewell tour doesnt matter in a GOAT conversation because he already failed in that regard. Unless ...

You or Deeps are arguing Kobe is still in the GOAT conversation because I thought we already agreed he is not the GOAT player or even SG (too bad for him Mj owns both).

So if we are talking Bron and why he may not surpass jordan why would Kobe matter if he already has failed to do so?

You can't have your user name KillaKobe81 and attack the best player in the game while your name sake is raking in more money and is assisting your team to the worst regular season record off all time because of that and his "love me, fuck you" tour. As your ally here would say "you've nary room".