Iran reportedly frees 4 U.S. prisoners, including Jason Rezaian, in swap

[Th'Pusher]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/16/middleeast/iran-jason-rezaian-prisoners-freed/index.html

We'll see how the republicans spin this:downspin:

[boutons_deux]

bomb bomb bomb ba bomb Iran

[Splits]

Kerry doin werk

[hitmanyr2k]

Let's be honest. Republicans never really gave two shits about the American hostages that were being held in Iran. They were used just to throw more criticism at Obama. These Americans that are being released have foreign names and look "Muslim" to the average dullard, mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging American and I bet if they were to go to a Trump rally they wouldn't even be recognized as American and treated with disdain.

[TDMVPDPOY]

i watch foxnews, they saying alot of bullshit "how dare they arrest..." and this other shit

you tresspass into their waters they have the right to arrest you, just like how americans arrest illegals passing the border by land or seas...its not like they shot those trespassers ...fkn clowns man

[ChumpDumper]

Only Republicans can negotiate with terrorists.

And sell them missiles.

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/16/middleeast/iran-jason-rezaian-prisoners-freed/index.html

We'll see how the republicans spin this:downspin:
Democrat representative Brad Sherman here in CA is saying the 14 Iranians we are dropping charges against are successful terrorists who killed 85 people in Buenos Aires. Is this true?

[CosmicCowboy]

Seems to be true, plus the others we released from jail. I'm glad the ones the Iranians released are back. Too bad they didn't let them all go. That being said we just proved to the Iranians we will swap 3 for 1 so now they have the precedent if they want to take more captives.

[Warlord23]

Someone needs to ask Trump whether the 3 Muslims among the released hostages - including the reporter and the marine - would be allowed back home under his proposed immigration policy.

[Shastafarian]

Democrat representative Brad Sherman here in CA is saying the 14 Iranians we are dropping charges against are successful terrorists who killed 85 people in Buenos Aires. Is this true?

Link?


The Iranians had originally presented a much longer list of Iranian prisoners they wanted freed, one senior official said, and “we whittled down the list to exclude anyone for crimes related to violence or terrorism.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/17/world/middleeast/iran-releases-washington-post-reporter-jason-rezaian.html

[boutons_deux]

Barry's and John's diplomacy CRUSHING the war-mongering MIC/neocon sons of bitches.

[ChumpDumper]

Democrat representative Brad Sherman here in CA is saying the 14 Iranians we are dropping charges against are successful terrorists who killed 85 people in Buenos Aires. Is this true?


Link?Yeah, Breitbart hasn't even mentioned anything like this.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Link?



http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/17/world/middleeast/iran-releases-washington-post-reporter-jason-rezaian.html
Interview on the local news here.

[Shastafarian]

Interview on the local news here.

No. Do you have any sort of corroboration of his claim or are you just willing to believe him because it fits your agenda? And before you go into it, yes I know he's a democrat and I don't give a shit. I don't trust ANY politician until they back up their words with proven facts.

[ChumpDumper]

Interview on the local news here.Which news?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Link?



http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/17/world/middleeast/iran-releases-washington-post-reporter-jason-rezaian.html
My guess is the 14 with international arrest warrants were tied to this bombing in Buenos Aires.

http://www.businessinsider.com/what-iran-gains-from-the-death-of-a-crusading-argentine-prosecutor-2015-1

interesting timing of the prosecutors death too.

[TheSanityAnnex]

No. Do you have any sort of corroboration of his claim or are you just willing to believe him because it fits your agenda? And before you go into it, yes I know he's a democrat and I don't give a shit. I don't trust ANY politician until they back up their words with proven facts.
I asked if it's true immediately after mentioning it, did you miss that part?

[ChumpDumper]

Which news?

[Shastafarian]

I asked if it's true immediately after mentioning it, did you miss that part?

No. Did you miss the part where I *asked* if his word was enough for you to believe it?

[TheSanityAnnex]

No. Did you miss the part where I *asked* if his word was enough for you to believe it?
His word is not enough. Was hoping others had more info.

[Shastafarian]

His word is not enough. Was hoping others had more info.

As far as I know the White House has already denied his claims specifically. There's also the quote in the New York Times. The guy is full of shit most likely.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Sherman is the second ranking Democrat on the foreign affairs committee and has been very vocal about his opposition to the Iranian nuke deal. I'm sure he knows a little bit more about the actual details than we do.

[ChumpDumper]

Interview on the local news here.


Which news?

[TheSanityAnnex]

As far as I know the White House has already denied his claims specifically. There's also the quote in the New York Times. The guy is full of shit most likely.
What happened to not trusting any politicians until they backed up their words with facts? :lol You are very quick to trust the White House and their mouthpiece the NYT.

[ChumpDumper]

The U.S. State Department said on Saturday it had dropped an international request to detain 14 Iranians on trade violations and dismissed charges against them as diplomats prepared to lift sanctions against Iran.

"The United States ... removed any Interpol red notices and dismissed any charges against 14 Iranians for whom it was assessed that extradition requests were unlikely to be successful," the State Department said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-nuclear-rednotice-idUSKCN0UU0XW

I'm sure the Argentinians would complain fairly loudly if these were wanted terrorists who attacked Argentina. And why would the US want them for crimes against Argentina?

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-nuclear-rednotice-idUSKCN0UU0XW

I'm sure the Argentinians would complain fairly loudly if these were wanted terrorists who attacked Argentina. And why would the US want them for crimes against Argentina?
You would think so right? Read this and get back to me on Argentina.
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-iran-gains-from-the-death-of-a-crusading-argentine-prosecutor-2015-1

And I don't know what local channel Sherman was on. Was flipping around during the commercial of the game so it wasn't on CBS.

[TheSanityAnnex]

More here

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-01-20/argentina-iran-and-the-mysterious-death-of-a-prosecutor

[TheSanityAnnex]

One reason many are suspicious is because Nisman made an enemy of Iran, a country with a history (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Rahman_Ghassemlou) of killing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mykonos_restaurant_assassinations) its political opponents in foreign countries. In May 2013, Nisman issued a scathing report that implicated several senior Iranian officials by name in the AMIA bombing. Just four months earlier, Kirchner’s government had signed a memorandum of understanding with Iran to investigate the incident. Part of the deal, however, was that Nisman’s investigators would not be allowed to interview senior Iranian officials. Argentina also got a favorable trade pact to import Iranian oil in exchange for grain.
More here

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-01-20/argentina-iran-and-the-mysterious-death-of-a-prosecutor

[ChumpDumper]

Three of the accused are still on Interpol's Red List for Argentina. If any of the same names were on the US list, I'm sure that would have made the news.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Three of the accused are still on Interpol's Red List for Argentina. If any of the same names were on the US list, I'm sure that would have made the news.

Guess we'll wait and see. This has to be what Sherman is referencing though. Iran, 85 people, Buenos Aires.

[ChumpDumper]

You would think so right? Read this and get back to me on Argentina.
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-iran-gains-from-the-death-of-a-crusading-argentine-prosecutor-2015-1

And I don't know what local channel Sherman was on. Was flipping around during the commercial of the game so it wasn't on CBS.I'm asking because most news stories end up on the website.

[Shastafarian]

What happened to not trusting any politicians until they backed up their words with facts? :lol You are very quick to trust the White House and their mouthpiece the NYT.

I'm not surprised you don't even know what a politician is. Also, the burden of proof is on your guy.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I'm asking because most news stories end up on the website.
I'm sure they will be more on Sherman's claim shortly, it was only on a few hours ago. Pretty substantial claim that will looked into.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm sure they will be more on Sherman's claim shortly, it was only on a few hours ago. Pretty substantial claim that will looked into.According to his twitter he's already been on Fox News Channel today -- and nothing from them.

The tweet he did put up doesn't make much sense:

688430495424720896

Eight Iranians and one dude from Lebanon were charged with that bombing.

The three Iranians who still have red notices from Argentina can't travel freely.

[TheSanityAnnex]

According to his twitter he's already been on Fox News Channel today -- and nothing from them.

The tweet he did put up doesn't make much sense:

688430495424720896

Eight Iranians and one dude from Lebanon were charged with that bombing.

The three Iranians who still have red notices from Argentina can't travel freely.
Nice find. Wait and see time what comes of it.

[Winehole23]

Democrat representative Brad Sherman here in CA is saying the 14 Iranians we are dropping charges against are successful terrorists who killed 85 people in Buenos Aires. Is this true?Share the knowledge. Is it true?

What's your source on this?

[Winehole23]

Now the USA has pull with Iran. Beforehand less so. Is it true they disabled the Arak facility?

[Winehole23]

Sometimes diplomacy works better than threadbare threats.

[Winehole23]

JPost reports the released Iranians had nothing to do with the AMIA bombing:


As part of the deal, Interpol removed 14 Iranians from its wanted list. A number of news agencies initially speculated that some of those named were suspected of involvement in the deadly deadly bombing of the AMIA Jewish community center, but this proved untrue and the reports were retracted. “Speculation that any of the 14 fugitives was at all connected to the bombing in Argentina is patently baseless and untrue,” a US official told JTA. “The fugitives faced sanctions or export control violations.”http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Iran/Jewish-American-Robert-Levinson-not-included-in-prisoners-released-from-Iran-441743

[Winehole23]

TSA as usual doesn't rest content with defensible objections and reaches for bullshit

[Winehole23]

so many posters regularly ruin their own takes by overstating them

[Warlord23]

Guys, don't rush TSA. He's waiting on Breitbart, Fox, Limbaugh and Beck to agree on a strategy to criticize this deal. My bet is on "100 billion and 21 of their guys for only 5 of ours ... typical Obama capitulation"

[TheSanityAnnex]

:cry no brad pls :cry

[Th'Pusher]

:cry no brad pls :cry
Does it bother you that posters generally view you as just another conservative hack on this forum? You used to try and portray yourself as resoned and balanced and now you're basically wild cobra 2.0.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Does it bother you that posters generally view you as just another conservative hack on this forum? You used to try and portray yourself as resoned and balanced and now you're basically wild cobra 2.0.
-spurstalk
--subsection
---political forum
----no bothers

[Winehole23]

Diplomats gathered Saturday in the Austrian capital for the implementation of last year’s historic nuclear agreement between Iran and six world powers—the United States, Russia, China, France, Germany, and the United Kingdom. IAEA inspectors formally certified that Iran had taken concrete steps to scale back its nuclear infrastructure over the past three months—literally, in one case, when the country poured cement (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35285095) into the nuclear reactor core at Arak.

[Winehole23]

In an effort to force Iran to abandon its nuclear program, the United States, the European Union, and other countries constructed the most complex regime of international economic sanctions in modern history, effectively severing Tehran from most of the world’s major financial institutions and isolating its markets from global commerce. Iran’s economy withered, with the Iranian rial losing over two-thirds of its value (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-15983302) and the price of basic goods rising precipitously.


A broad array of direct U.S. sanctions on Iran remain in force, so economic ties between the two countries will be minimal for the foreseeable future. But European and Asian businesses are expected to forge trade relationships with the once-isolated country almost immediately. Iranian Transport Minister Abbas Akhoundi said his country planned to purchase 114 aircraft (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-16/iran-to-buy-114-airbus-aircraft-for-iran-air-eyes-more-deals) from Airbus as soon as the sanctions lift to replace Iran’s aging civil-aviation fleet.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/01/iran-rezaian-nuclear-deal/424497/

[Th'Pusher]

-spurstalk
--subsection
---political forum
----no bothers
It's interesting though. Why did you initially attempt to portray yourself as a reasonable non-partisan when, in reality, you were ultimately exposed as being a partisan hack? Did you think it would give you credibility on the gun issue?

[Winehole23]

-sock puppet
--pure propaganda
---shit slinger from day one
----facade of reasonableness is only skin deep

[Winehole23]

underneath it lies an emo conservatroll. his profane, homerotically tinged outbursts give it away. he can't contain himself.

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underneath it lies an emo conservatroll. his profane, homerotically tinged outbursts give it away. he can't contain himself.

he's a she, confirmed by the avatar gif

[Winehole23]

he's a she, confirmed by the avatar gifyou're the left wing version of TSA, only much worse and much harder to talk to

[Winehole23]

in a subsection rife with shit-spreaders, you're the undisputed king.

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in a subsection rife with shit-spreaders, you're the undisputed king.

you eat the anti-Repug shit I spread, and you're full of it. GFY

[Winehole23]

see what I mean?

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Ted Cruz Smears Obama With Lie That The President Released Iranian Terrorists

CRUZ: Well, listen, praise God that the prisoners are coming home, that the Americans are coming home. You know, in particular, millions of believers across the world have been lifting up Pastor Saeed Abedini in prayer and speaking out for his case. And so, we celebrate their coming home, Jason Rezaian, Amir Hekmati, the fourth individual. We celebrate all of them coming home.I spoke yesterday briefly to Naghmeh, Pastor Saeed’s wife, who I’ve gotten to know very well, and we’re all very grateful he’s coming.

But at the same time, this deal is a problematic deal, and it reflects a pattern we have seen in the Obama administration over and over again of negotiating with terrorists, and making deals and trades that endanger U.S. safety and security.

This deal has a lot of deals in common with the Bowe Bergdahl deal, where in exchange for Bowe Bergdahl — someone now facing court-martial — we released five senior Taliban terrorists.

And this instance, this deal to bring back Americans who were wrongly imprisoned, we release seven terrorists who helped Iran with their nuclear program and we agreed not to prosecute another 14 terrorists for doing the same thing. That’s 21 terrorists helping Iran develop nuclear weapons that they intend to use to try to murder us.

And I think it’s a very dangerous precedent. The result of this, every bad actor on earth has been told go capture an American. If you want terrorists out of the jail, capture an American and President Obama is in the let’s make a deal business. That’s a really dangerous precedent.

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/01/17/fox-news-lets-ted-cruz-lie-claim-obama-swapped-iranian-terrorists-prisoners.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

This mofo Krazy Kruz knows exactly that he's LYING, but EVERYBODY lies on Fox, the very definition of LYING.

[TeyshaBlue]

see what I mean?

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/teyshablue/Bush_Mission_Accomplished_Banner_Ja.jpg (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/teyshablue/media/Bush_Mission_Accomplished_Banner_Ja.jpg.html)

[boutons_deux]

On Iran, Reagan is the wrong example to follow


MARCO RUBIO: When I become President of the United States, :lol :lol :lol our adversaries around the world will know that America is no longer under the command of someone weak like Barack Obama. And it will be like Ronald Reagan where as soon as he took office, the hostages were released from Iran.

That was, to be sure, an unusually foolish thing for a grown-up to say on national television, but the Florida senator isn’t the only Republican presidential candidate using rhetoric like this.

In recent months, Chris Christie (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/christie-forgets-some-reagan-references-dont-work) has said Obama should follow Reagan’s example in dealing with Iran, and Rand Paul (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/06/annotated-transcript-the-aug-6-gop-debate/) and Ted Cruz (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/republicans-need-reagan-refresher) have made similar comments.

It’s hard not to get the sense sometimes that Republicans have lionized Reagan without any meaningful understanding of his presidency.

The Washington Post did a nice job setting the record straight (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/01/17/republicans-slam-prisoner-deal-with-iran-as-ransom-and-negotiating-with-terrorists/), describing Rubio’s rhetoric as “specious,” which seems like an exceedingly polite way of saying “ignorant.”

It wasn’t the case, [Brian Michael Jenkins, a Rand Corp. expert who has written about how governments handled prisoner exchanges and hostage crises] said, that the release was simply prompted by a tough-talking Reagan’s inauguration – rather, diplomats under President Jimmy Carter negotiated a resolution finalized on Carter’s last full day as president.

Carter secured the 52 hostages’ release in exchange for the unfreezing of Iranian assets, an American pledge not to meddle in internal Iranian affairs and the creation of a framework for resolving post-revolution financial claims.

“There were concessions in return for getting them back,” Jenkins said.

And while Reagan’s pledge not to “pay ransom” to the Iranians, coupled with Carter’s determination to secure a deal while president, clearly forced the crisis’s resolution, Reagan’s tough talk didn’t continue to guide his administration’s actions.

Senior Reagan administration officials later went on to engage in secret talks with Iran to gain the release of hostages held by Iranian client groups in Lebanon.

The deal negotiated by the Reagan officials included the sale of arms to Iran, the proceeds of which were funneled to right-wing rebels in Nicaragua, later exploding into the Iran-Contra affair.


http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/iran-reagan-the-wrong-example-follow?cid=sm_fb_maddow