ESPN Top 100 All-Time Rankings

[JohnnyMax]

100: Shawn Kemp
99: Kevin Love
98: Gail Goodrich
97: James Harden
96: Bobby Jones
95: Marc Gasol
94: Mark Price
93: L. Wilkens
92: Nat Thurmond
91: Mauric Cheeks
90: Paul Arizin
89: Yao Ming
88: B. Cunningham
87: Chauncey Billups
86: Chris Bosh
85: Dave DeBusschere
84: Dennis Johnson
83: Chris Mullin
82: David Thompson
81: Sidney Moncrief
80: Grant Hill
79: Jerry Lucas
78: Sam Jones
77: Joe Dumars
76: Tiny Archibald
75: Blake Griffin
74: Dolph Schayes
73: Dikembe Mutombo
72: Adrian Dantley
71: Pete Maravich
70: Artis Gilmore
69: Vince Carter
68: Bob Lanier
67: Dwight Howard
66: Chris Webber
65: Alonzo Mourning
64: Dennis Rodman
63: Tracy McGrady
62: Alex English
61: Manu Ginobili
60: Earl Monroe
59: Carmelo Anthony
58: Tony Parker
57: Robert Parish
56: Pau Gasol
55: Dave Cowens
54: Bernard King
53: Wes Unseld
52: Bob McAdoo
51: Reggie Miller
50: Ray Allen
49: Russell Westbrook
48: Willis Reed
47: George Gervin
46: Allen Iverson
45: Paul Pierce
44: Dominique Wilkins
43: James Worthy
42: Bill Walton
41: Gary Payton
40: Elvin Hayes
39: Bob Cousy
38: Walt Frazier
37: Rick Barry
36: Clyde Drexler
35: Jason Kidd
34: Bob Pettit
33: George Mikan
32: Patrick Ewing
31: Kevin McHale
30: Steve Nash
29: Chris Paul
28: John Havlicek
27: Dwyane Wade
26: Isiah Thomas
25: Scottie Pippen
24: Elgin Baylor
23: Stephen Curry
22: Kevin Durant
21: Kevin Garnett
20: David Robinson
19: John Stockton
18: Charles Barkley
17: Dirk Nowitzki
16: Karl Malone
15: Moses Malone
14: Julius Erving
13: Jerry West
12: Kobe Bryant
11: Oscar Robertson
10: Hakeem Olajuwon
9: Shaquille O'Neal
8: Tim Duncan
7: Bill Russell
6: Larry Bird
5: Wilt Chamberlain
4: Magic Johnson
3: LeBron James
2: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
1: Michael Jordan

[Kawhitstorm]

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http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank160120/all-nbarank-91-100

Love ABOVE Kemp?!?!!:lmao

Kemp was the best player in the 96 Finals which had FOUR 1st ballot HOFers: Jordan/Payton/Rodman/Pippen in their PRIMES. He also outplayed Hakeem & went toe-to-toe w/ Mailman during the 96 postseason.

Shareef Abdur-Rahim at least dropped 50 on Ben Wallace.

[spursistan]

if Timmy isn't Top 5 All-time, this one is a joke..

[Texas_Ranger]

with kevin love in there this is already a joke.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

with kevin love in there this is already a joke.

Exactly. Kemp behind love is a joke. Love makes Kemp look like Ben Wallace on Defense. Kemp LED A TEAM to the finals and the best record in the NBA twice I believe. Love couldn't even lead a team to the playoffs.

[baseline bum]

Pretty much any of those guys over Kemp is a joke.

[spurraider21]

big mark price fan, good to see him up there

[HarlemHeat37]

:lmao 90s fans are going to be saaaaallllttttyyy, tbh..

lefty
King Emmanuel

[LittleCriminal]

We all know who #1 is...
So who's gunna get the 2 spot?

[Mark Celibate]

Love is nowhere near the all time top 100 consideration tbh.

[Mark in Austin]

Kevin Love? Jesus ESPN, you're not even TRYING to appear competent anymore.

[midnightpulp]

:lol ESPN

How do they put a guy (Kevin Love) with only one playoff appearance over Kemp?

Admittedly, their regular season metrics during their respective primes (which Love is still in) are pretty similar, but Kemp always seemed to step up in the post-season. Even a fat 1998 Shawn Kemp averaged 26 and 10 on the shitty Cavs.

And :lol Fat Gasol

[ambchang]

This list is retarded.

You can compare the fat version of Kemp to Love, but the prime version of Kemp (admittedly short-lived) was a beast. He was Griffin before Griffin, and a better version at that. He attacked the rim ferociously, and later developed a very reliable mid-range jumper out to 18 feet. His rebounding was great, and he was a good defender as well. He can handle the ball, lead the break, and was a monster running the floor. He was pretty much the transition of these lumbering low post oriented PF (Buck Williams, Terry Cummings) to the present day mobile bigs (Garnett, Griffin).

I can't believe ESPN would underrate him like that.

Not to mention, he was the second best in-game dunker of all time (tied with Nique, behind Kobe).

[AlexJones]

:lmao 90s fans are going to be saaaaallllttttyyy, tbh..

lefty (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=6896)
King Emmanuel (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=43107)

It won't happen, but I'd throw a party if Draymond Green is rated higher than Dennis Rodman, as he rightfully should tbh

[D-Wade]

Kevin Love above Shawn Kemp :lmao Celebrating white mediocrity part 1000000000

[Killakobe81]

This list is retarded.

You can compare the fat version of Kemp to Love, but the prime version of Kemp (admittedly short-lived) was a beast. He was Griffin before Griffin, and a better version at that. He attacked the rim ferociously, and later developed a very reliable mid-range jumper out to 18 feet. His rebounding was great, and he was a good defender as well. He can handle the ball, lead the break, and was a monster running the floor. He was pretty much the transition of these lumbering low post oriented PF (Buck Williams, Terry Cummings) to the present day mobile bigs (Garnett, Griffin).

I can't believe ESPN would underrate him like that.

Not to mention, he was the second best in-game dunker of all time (tied with Nique, behind Kobe).

Not only agree with all of this but he dropped a shit on Rodman in the Finals when everyone still felt he was an elite defender the same Rodman who frustrated Mailman Malone.
Yes he got fat and his peak was short but Kemp was twice the player Love is and i still.like Love just not at max money or as a #2

[100%duncan]

These kinds of long lists are always retarded anyways. It's impossible to rate 100 players at a given time, you'd lose track, you'd be lazy and it doesn't help when you're retarded in the first place like ESPN are

[DAF86]

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http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank160120/all-nbarank-91-100

Manu and Tony are above all those guys but will they be?

[DAF86]

Kawhi in just 4 seasons is above those guys too.

[Killakobe81]

Kawhi in just 4 seasons is above those guys too.

that may be a stretch but as a Finals MVP, DPOTY with a ring as top 3 player on that team ...he is starting to make a case.

[baseline bum]

Mo Cheeks over Mark Price? Nigga only won one ring and that was due to Malone more than anything.

[Cry Havoc]

Kawhi in just 4 seasons is above those guys too.

Not sure I'd put Kawhi over Kemp yet. But after this season if the Spurs make another deep run with Kawhi dominating in the post-season, then it definitely has merit.

If they ring, Kawhi should be shooting up these charts as he has a >75% chance of getting a Finals MVP again.

[Cry Havoc]

that may be a stretch but as a Finals MVP, DPOTY with a ring as top 3 player on that team ...he is starting to make a case.

You got Leonard, Whiteside, or Green as your DPOY this season?

[Killakobe81]

You got Leonard, Whiteside, or Green as your DPOY this season?

leaning kiwi but all 3 are deserving. one more lockdown of Lebron is a primetime game should cement it for Kiwi in the media's eyes though along with the spurs historic defensive numbers. ....
Love Whiteside but Miami's overal ldefense not good enough for me to vote him first.

[100%duncan]

that may be a stretch but as a Finals MVP, DPOTY with a ring as top 3 player on that team ...he is starting to make a case.

stretch? :lmao please he's better than all 10

[ambchang]

Robinson at #20, behind Stockton, Barkley, Dirk and Pedo, being underrated again.

Moses at #15, being underrated again. Any list that has Moses outside of the top 10 is stupid.

[Killakobe81]

Robinson at #20, behind Stockton, Barkley, Dirk and Pedo, being underrated again.

Moses at #15, being underrated again. Any list that has Moses outside of the top 10 is stupid.

Dont see an issue with Moses at 15. there are a lot of great players. Especially because Lebron, Duncan and your lover-boy Kobe have knocked him from about 11/12th where I had him before those 3 and Shaq of course knocked him back.

Shaq, MJ, Kareem, Kobe Duncan, Magic , Bird, LeBron, Hakeem, Wilt russell that's 11 dudes right there. Of course you gonna argue he deserves Kobe's spot ...but the reality is that would put him 12th and you still have to factor Oscar, Mikan, Jerry west etc.

Him at 15 seems about right don't see how he is much higher than 12th. As for Robinson Timmy bring him two titles doesnt automatically take his resume over Mailman. I do prefer David but I can see a case for Malone Barkley and or Stock over him too.

Oh and who cares? your list is just as valid tbh ...

[Splits]

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Legacy certainly taken a hit the past 3+ seasons. ESPN would have ranked him 5-7 spots higher if he retired at 33 (when he played his last playoff game)

[Benoit]

#12?? Thats horrible

Typical ESPN hate on Kobe

[D-Wade]

They put Wade only two spots ahead of never made it out of the 2nd round Chris Paul. But at least Bean isn't in the top 10. :bobo

[Splits]

#12?? Thats horrible

Typical ESPN hate on Kobe

You should go cry in the tweet responses like the rest of his deluded fanbois

:lmao they're fucking hilarious

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[Benoit]

It is really stupid

Ask any former player or anybody that knows the game and they have Kobe closer to the top 5 than #12

Only Jordan is clearly ahead

[Splits]

It is really stupid

Ask any former player or anybody that knows the game and they have Kobe closer to the top 5 than #12

Only Jordan is clearly ahead

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

This is really bothering you, isn't it?

Who is your main? Capri or Rsx?

[Splits]

It is really stupid

Ask any former player or anybody that knows the game and they have Kobe closer to the top 5 than #12

Only Jordan is clearly ahead

Is your twitter handle Cheti_BB? :lmao

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[TDfan2007]

:lol Kobe fanboys losing their shit. Robinson at 20 is far more disrespectful than Kobe at 12. Although putting Oscar over Kobe is ridiculous.

[Arcadian]

Kirby at 12 is VERY generous. Robinson and Garnett both need to be higher.

[Splits]

The remaining are:

Jordan
Duncan
Magic
Kareem
Bird
Wilt
Russell
Shaq
Hakeem
LeBron
Oscar

[Splits]

Kirby at 12 is VERY generous. Robinson and Garnett both need to be higher.

Agreed. No way you put Pippen at 25 and Pippen 2.0 at 12.

[Killakobe81]

Kobe at 12 is fine by me. Not sure why some think it's being generous or an outrage. He is a borderline top 10. He makes mine because I never saw Oscar, Russell or Wilt etc. But If I did I may have him out of the top 10 too.

But I find it funny those that had issues with the rankings of David, Moses etc. are excited because Kobe is 12th or behind Timmy.

[Killakobe81]

Agreed. No way you put Pippen at 25 and Pippen 2.0 at 12.

Makes no sense. Version 2.0 is superior to 1.0 ....duh.

[daslicer]

It is really stupid

Ask any former player or anybody that knows the game and they have Kobe closer to the top 5 than #12

Only Jordan is clearly ahead

Time to come out clean and stop pretending you are a warriors fan. This has to be one of the dumbest trolls ever :lol.

[Buddy Mignon]

Lol... the ESPN nerds are striking back over the love that the players and fans have shown Kobe. They don't give a fuck how the fans and players feel. These nerds are out for blood.

[-21-]

Kobe at 12 is fine by me. Not sure why some think it's being generous or an outrage. He is a borderline top 10. He makes mine because I never saw Oscar, Russell or Wilt etc. But If I did I may have him out of the top 10 too.

But I find it funny those that had issues with the rankings of David, Moses etc. are excited because Kobe is 12th or behind Timmy.

I agree, 12 is a fair rating.

[SquawkinHawkBigCock]

Lol... the ESPN nerds are striking back over the love that the players and fans have shown Kobe. They don't give a fuck how the fans and players feel. These nerds are out for blood.
You have 65,000 posts on a Naruto forum and with your other account probably about 20,000 here two. That's what a fucking nerd is.

[Benoit]

Lol... the ESPN nerds are striking back over the love that the players and fans have shown Kobe. They don't give a fuck how the fans and players feel. These nerds are out for blood.

Have you noticed its always the nerds that have bad shit to say about Kobe? lmao

All the players say he's the Michael of this generation and the closest thing to Jordan

Only nerds that look at meaningless numbers downplay him, and ESPN uses his name for clicks

[~O~]

Have you noticed its always the nerds that have bad shit to say about Kobe? lmao

All the players say he's the Michael of this generation and the closest thing to Jordan

Only nerds that look at meaningless numbers downplay him, and ESPN uses his name for clicks

Spoken like a true dumbass.

[Benoit]

Spoken like a true dumbass.

Do you want quotes from players and coaches talking about Kobes greatness?

[spurraider21]

Anywhere between 8 and 15 is fair game for kirbs

[daslicer]

Have you noticed its always the nerds that have bad shit to say about Kobe? lmao

All the players say he's the Michael of this generation and the closest thing to Jordan

Only nerds that look at meaningless numbers downplay him, and ESPN uses his name for clicks

Right and players are great scouts of talent just like last year when they all felt Harden was the MVP and not Curry :lol.

[resistanze]

Well based on the list the only people ahead of Kobe are:

Big men: Hakeem, KAJ, Shaq, Wilt, Duncan, Russell
Forwards: LeBron, Bird
Guards: MJ, Magic, Oscar

It's not that outrageous to have him 12th...I can see him up to maybe 9th.

[spurraider21]

I'd put kirbs above oscar and probably bill Russell tbh

[baseline bum]

I'd put kirbs above oscar and probably bill Russell tbh

I was about to say the same. I'd put Kobe at #10 alltime. And then Moses #11.

[baseline bum]

Well based on the list the only people ahead of Kobe are:

Big men: Hakeem, KAJ, Shaq, Wilt, Duncan, Russell
Forwards: LeBron, Bird
Guards: MJ, Magic, Oscar

It's not that outrageous to have him 12th...I can see him up to maybe 9th.

How do expect to see them rank the top 10? I'll guess

1. Jordan
2. AIDS
3. Wilt
4. Kareem
5. Russell
6. Bird
7. Duncan
8. James
9. O'Neal
10. Olajuwon

[ambchang]

Dont see an issue with Moses at 15. there are a lot of great players. Especially because Lebron, Duncan and your lover-boy Kobe have knocked him from about 11/12th where I had him before those 3 and Shaq of course knocked him back.

Shaq, MJ, Kareem, Kobe Duncan, Magic , Bird, LeBron, Hakeem, Wilt russell that's 11 dudes right there. Of course you gonna argue he deserves Kobe's spot ...but the reality is that would put him 12th and you still have to factor Oscar, Mikan, Jerry west etc.

Him at 15 seems about right don't see how he is much higher than 12th. As for Robinson Timmy bring him two titles doesnt automatically take his resume over Mailman. I do prefer David but I can see a case for Malone Barkley and or Stock over him too.

Oh and who cares? your list is just as valid tbh ...

Moses > Kobe = shaq, and lebronwilt and Russell are tough to gauge.

And the case for Robinson is that before Duncan he didn't have anyone close to top 100. All of the other top 20 guys have at least one other top 100 player playing at or near his prime. The fact that Malone and Stockton both are in the top 20, played for so long and doesn't have one single ring tells you that at least one of them does not belong in the top 20. I say that guy is Malone

[ambchang]

It is really stupid

Ask any former player or anybody that knows the game and they have Kobe closer to the top 5 than #12

Only Jordan is clearly ahead

Are you a former player or someone who knows the game?

[resistanze]

How do expect to see them rank the top 10? I'll guess

1. Jordan
2. AIDS
3. Wilt
4. Kareem
5. Russell
6. Bird
7. Duncan
8. James
9. O'Neal
10. Olajuwon

I think they'll swap Shaq and Lebron for 8/9 and swap Kareen and Wilt for 3/4.

[Arcadian]

He's 13-25 for me.

[DMC]

Steph is a bit higher than he should be at least for now.

[midnightpulp]

The remaining are:

Jordan
Duncan
Magic
Kareem
Bird
Wilt
Russell
Shaq
Hakeem
LeBron
Oscar

Double our 10 on tonight's Spurs/Mavs game?

I got Mavs with the spread (-7).

[Splits]

Dont see how AIDS can go #2 if you're judging both peak and longevity since he got those AIDS at 31 and only played 12 years.

[Splits]

Double our 10 on tonight's Spurs/Mavs game?

I got Mavs with the spread (-7).

Yep.

[Splits]

Yep.

Wait, Spurms are 7 point favorites on the road with no TD or Gino? Fuck that.

[midnightpulp]

Wait, Spurms are 7 point favorites on the road with no TD or Gino? Fuck that.

Gimmie 3.5?

[Splits]

Gimmie 3.5?

Alright, but I'm not too confident. Think this is a Dallas win

[midnightpulp]

Alright, but I'm not too confident. Think this is a Dallas win

:tu

[Benoit]

Are you a former player or someone who knows the game?

I rely on the opinions of those players and coaches to validate my personal opinions

If they disagree with my thought, I have to reevaluate what I think

[BD24]

Kobe at 12 is fine by me. Not sure why some think it's being generous or an outrage. He is a borderline top 10. He makes mine because I never saw Oscar, Russell or Wilt etc. But If I did I may have him out of the top 10 too.

But I find it funny those that had issues with the rankings of David, Moses etc. are excited because Kobe is 12th or behind Timmy.
Agree Killa. I think 12 is fair. No problem with the people put above him with maybe the exception of Oscar. I've always had him somewhere from 10-12. Although I can see the argument for him at 9 or 10.

[BD24]

How do expect to see them rank the top 10? I'll guess

1. Jordan
2. AIDS
3. Wilt
4. Kareem
5. Russell
6. Bird
7. Duncan
8. James
9. O'Neal
10. Olajuwon
I think it will be more like this. Think Wilts lack of titles bump him down a few spots.
1. Jordan
2.kareem
3. Aids
4. Bird
5. Russell
6. Duncan
7. Wilt
8. James
9. Shaq
10. Hakeem

[ambchang]

I rely on the opinions of those players and coaches to validate my personal opinions

If they disagree with my thought, I have to reevaluate what I think

So when the media ask the players what they think of Kobe, what should they say?

Also, have you considered forming your own thoughts? It's pretty nice, give it a try.

[ambchang]

Kobes 12 to 15 in my books. He's the only player in the top 20 that you say, without a doubt, that his ranking will drop dramatically if he played on another team. Stockton and Malone could be in that group but I think both would do well in another franchise. Maybe not top 20 but Stockton would be top 30 for sure. Malone probably top 50. If Kobe stayed at Charlotte he'd be another tmac.

[Killakobe81]

Kobes 12 to 15 in my books. He's the only player in the top 20 that you say, without a doubt, that his ranking will drop dramatically if he played on another team. Stockton and Malone could be in that group but I think both would do well in another franchise. Maybe not top 20 but Stockton would be top 30 for sure. Malone probably top 50. If Kobe stayed at Charlotte he'd be another tmac.

I was with you until that tmac crap ...but whatever. Its espn rankings ... its about as reliable as ASG starters voting. The greatness about it though ...Amb was just shitting on these rankings a day ago ...now he agrees with Kobe's spot ... :lol

[Benoit]

So when the media ask the players what they think of Kobe, what should they say?

Also, have you considered forming your own thoughts? It's pretty nice, give it a try.

lmao what?

players and teams are asked about other players all the time

They could say a bunch of things instead of comparing Kobe to Jordan, which is what most of them end up doing

What a sad excuse

[ambchang]

I was with you until that tmac crap ...but whatever. Its espn rankings ... its about as reliable as ASG starters voting. The greatness about it though ...Amb was just shitting on these rankings a day ago ...now he agrees with Kobe's spot ... :lol

The rankings are bad doesn't mean they are all wrong.
Now think, if any of the top 20 guys never won a ring I his prime (ala Robinson) will they still be top 30 or 40 all time?

Robinson, Barkley, Stockton, Malone are all already there. Dirk will be top 35 or so. Big o west dr j are all in that group who never won a ring in their primes. Moses will be top 20 for sure (in fact, he was so dominant he would have won a ring anyways).

Jordan would be top 10 regardless, Hakeem top 20 or so, same with magic and bird, Duncan will be top 20 like Robinson, shaq Lebron wilt are all In that group, Kareem is in the top 10 no matter what. Russell is actually the only other question mark but that's purely because people under appreciate defense. Kobe? He'd be out of the top 30 for sure. Likely in the top 50.

You out any of the top 20 players in any other environment and they'd still thrive. Maybe not get a ring but still dominant. Kobe? He'd out up huge scoring numbers while leading them to 38 wins like he did I. The mid aughts. That's what tmac did.

[ambchang]

lmao what?

players and teams are asked about other players all the time

They could say a bunch of things instead of comparing Kobe to Jordan, which is what most of them end up doing

What a sad excuse

Kobe is the closest thing to Jordan because he emulated his entire life after Jordan. It's obvious. He wanted to be like mike and be better than him. But just like leading his team to the playoffs without the most dominant frontline In The league, he failed at it.

How was he this generations Jordan? Jordan had Pippen. Jordan dominated the low post in the second three peat, to a degree where the Bulls won 3 straight with Luc longley and bill Wellington at centre. Kobe can't even make the playoffs without players like shaq and MVPau+odom+Bynum cleaning up his misses and utterly dominating the low post.

Jordan put up monster advanced stats in each and every one of the six titles, not only leading his own team in many of them in both the regular season and playoffs, but often leading the league in those as well. Kobe? Not even once.

Kobe isn't this generations Jordan, he's a healthy tmac with dominant front courts.

[ambchang]

Before the rankings are done. I bet ESPN will have Lebron in the top 5. Which would be hilarious.

[Benoit]

Kobe is the closest thing to Jordan because he emulated his entire life after Jordan. It's obvious. He wanted to be like mike and be better than him. But just like leading his team to the playoffs without the most dominant frontline In The league, he failed at it.

How was he this generations Jordan? Jordan had Pippen. Jordan dominated the low post in the second three peat, to a degree where the Bulls won 3 straight with Luc longley and bill Wellington at centre. Kobe can't even make the playoffs without players like shaq and MVPau+odom+Bynum cleaning up his misses and utterly dominating the low post.

Jordan put up monster advanced stats in each and every one of the six titles, not only leading his own team in many of them in both the regular season and playoffs, but often leading the league in those as well. Kobe? Not even once.

Kobe isn't this generations Jordan, he's a healthy tmac with dominant front courts.

The opinions of Kobes peers like Derrick Rose and Dirk Nowitzki and Dwyane Wade are far more important than yours, no offense

[vander]

The opinions of Kobes peers like Derrick Rose and Dirk Nowitzki and Dwyane Wade are far more important than yours, no offense

from what I've seen, players are much better at playing basketball than evaluating talent. and I doubt they speak their true opinion on such things anyways, you don't create bulletin board material, your opponent is always very good, possibly the best.

[ambchang]

The opinions of Kobes peers like Derrick Rose and Dirk Nowitzki and Dwyane Wade are far more important than yours, no offense

Why?

[Mitch]

Why?

Basketball players vs racist, not a tough call.

[DMC]

Notice how many active players are near the top of the list? Part of that is ESPN trying to sell a product called NBA basketball. What's the odds that the best players ever are playing right now? More likely the most footage and analytics and stat padding based on those analytics is happening right now.

[ambchang]

Basketball players vs racist, not a tough call.

Basketball players can be racist
So they could be arguing themselves
Basketball players doesn't mean great basketball analysts.
Racists can be great basketball analyst.
You have por logic.

[Mitch]

Basketball players can be racist
So they could be arguing themselves
Basketball players doesn't mean great basketball analysts.
Racists can be great basketball analyst.
You have por logic.

Basketball players have playing basketball going for them so they have credibility despite being racist.

You aren't a basketball player or a basketball analyst, you have no credibility on top of being racist.

My logic is sound.

[Benoit]

Basketball players have playing basketball going for them so they have credibility despite being racist.

You aren't a basketball player or a basketball analyst, you have no credibility on top of being racist.

My logic is sound.


That guy is a racist?

I thought he just hated Kobe with a passion lmao

[Splits]

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[ambchang]

Basketball players have playing basketball going for them so they have credibility despite being racist.

You aren't a basketball player or a basketball analyst, you have no credibility on top of being racist.

My logic is sound.

Then being a racist has nothing to do with anything. Your logic is wrong.

Besides, I'm just a sociopathist. I hate sociopaths.

[jsandiego]

Will they put Bird above Duncan?

Should they?

[BD24]

Will they put Bird above Duncan?

Should they?
They probably will. I would be a bit surprised if they didn't tbh.

I personally would have Duncan above Bird, but it is very very close in my mind I wouldn't be upset or anything if Bird was above Duncan. When you get to the top 6 or 7 ranking becomes very hard because they were all so great in different ways and played in such different eras. I mean you have MJ at one, but after that everyone's list seems to differ quite a bit.

[Mitch]

Then being a racist has nothing to do with anything. Your logic is wrong.

Besides, I'm just a sociopathist. I hate sociopaths.

Sure it does, chang-lee. Racism is a negative, being a basketball player is a positive.

A racist basketball player has some diminished credibility, but just a racist has none.

[Arcadian]

Why?

When someone can't actually refute your points, they go to the ad hominem.

[ambchang]

Sure it does, chang-lee. Racism is a negative, being a basketball player is a positive.

A racist basketball player has some diminished credibility, but just a racist has none.

But the negatives and positives do not relate to the subject.

Say you are an ugly mofo but is great and scooping shit from gutter, I can't say you are horrible at scooping shit from the gutter just because you are ugly. Got it? Just like you being stupid and illogical doesn't detract your from .... What are you good at?

[jsandiego]

I think it will be more like this. Think Wilts lack of titles bump him down a few spots.
1. Jordan
2.kareem
3. Aids
4. Bird
5. Russell
6. Duncan
7. Wilt
8. James
9. Shaq
10. Hakeem

With who is left, I'd probably go:

1. MJ
2. Magic
3. Kareem
4. Duncan
5. Bird
6. Shaq
7. LeBron
8. Hakeem

Wilt & Russell are too hard for me to judge since it was before my time. Wilt's two titles put him towards the bottom, and who knows where Russell goes.

[DMC]

lmao what?

players and teams are asked about other players all the time

They could say a bunch of things instead of comparing Kobe to Jordan, which is what most of them end up doing

What a sad excuse
Being compared to someone you don't stack up to isn't necessarily a compliment.

[J_Paco]

Not sure why they have Russell Westbrook (#49) and Stephen Curry (#23, :lol:lol:bang:bang) so high on the list still so early in their respective careers. They will likely both be deserving of such high placement, but their body of work is much, much shorter than nearly everyone else in the top 100 (minus Blake Griffin & Kevin Love). They need at least another 4 or 5 years of dominant play to deserve such "accolades."

[BD24]

With who is left, I'd probably go:

1. MJ
2. Magic
3. Kareem
4. Duncan
5. Bird
6. Shaq
7. LeBron
8. Hakeem

Wilt & Russell are too hard for me to judge since it was before my time. Wilt's two titles put him towards the bottom, and who knows where Russell goes.
I am always curious as to why people have Magic over Kareem. IMO Kareem is the pretty clear cut #2, 6 mvps and 6 titles is tough to argue with. I agree with your assessment on Wilt and Russell, very hard to judge them because of when they played.

[Benoit]

Tony Parkers ranking:

1 Jordan
2 Kobe

[BatManu20]

With who is left, I'd probably go:

1. MJ
2. Magic
3. Kareem
4. Duncan
5. Bird
6. Shaq
7. LeBron
8. Hakeem

Wilt & Russell are too hard for me to judge since it was before my time. Wilt's two titles put him towards the bottom, and who knows where Russell goes.


They won't put Duncan over Bird tbh, but I agree with our list.

[DMC]

One thing is for certain, almost everyone in the top 10 now won't be in 100 years.

[DMC]

Tony Parkers ranking:

1 Jordan
2 Kobe
3. Erin Barry

[Killakobe81]

With who is left, I'd probably go:

1. MJ
2. Magic
3. Kareem
4. Duncan
5. Bird
6. Shaq
7. LeBron
8. Hakeem

Wilt & Russell are too hard for me to judge since it was before my time. Wilt's two titles put him towards the bottom, and who knows where Russell goes.

Agree with the guys you said are tough to judge

[Thread]

3. Erin Barry

Sunken snootch, D.

[DMC]

Sunken snootch, D.

Probably, but that's because Bones probably has a Pringles can between his legs.

[Killakobe81]

Im sorry classy dude and was a pretty fine defensive PG ...but not sure that Cheeks was a better player than Mark Price. I know injuries robbed Price and Cheeks has him on longevity but if peak was a factor in these rankings ,,,Price in his peak was a mile better than Cheeks was at everything on a court EXCEPT defense. Cheeks was a fine play-maker and could score in a pinch but to me that is bigger misjudgement than many people have bitched about on here. Price was filthy in pick n roll and with a shot that was the rival of Curry or at least Nash in his prime. No one is a better shooter than Steph who takes a bunch of shots but like Nash when he shot he was deadly accurate. Not sure what the numbers say but for a short few years stretch I thought he was the better offensive PG than prime Stockton because he was more of a threat ...but stockton definitely ended up being the better player and shat on him defensively.

[Brazil]

Tony Parkers ranking:

1 Jordan
2 Kobe

:lol nope... saying kobe is his generation MJ does not mean that both are comparable or even that Kobe is the best of his generation... Kobe is a SG, MJ was a SG, Kobe copied pasted poorly everything MJ was doing so yeah in that sense Kobe is poor's man MJ of this generation.

Now if you'd take Kobe over let's say Duncan or even LBJ to build a team you are a moron

[Thread]

:lol nope... saying kobe is his generation MJ does not mean that both are comparable or even that Kobe is the best of his generation... Kobe is a SG, MJ was a SG, Kobe copied pasted poorly everything MJ was doing so yeah in that sense Kobe is poor's man MJ of this generation.

Now if you'd take Kobe over let's say Duncan or even LBJ to build a team you are a moron

Parker really fucked with your head, Bra.

tee, hee.

the little fucker.

[Brazil]

Parker really fucked with your head, Bra.

tee, hee.

the little fucker.

:lol no he did not... Kobe is like 2nd best SG ranked 12 when Duncan is best PF ranked surely top 5... it is what it is

[Thread]

:lol no he did not

tee, hee.

[Brazil]

tee, hee.

but 12 is messing with yours :lol

[Thread]

but 12 is messing with yours :lol

I don't do "12." I leave that to you children.

[baseline bum]

I don't do "12." I leave that to you children.

Just like you don't do what ifs?

[Thread]

Just like you don't do what ifs?

Thank you.

[Brazil]

I don't do "12." I leave that to you children.

12 is as childish as second 5

[baseline bum]

Thank you.

So you do 12 then? The lasting legacy of Kobe, 12th man, making 48.5, and all Fredo has to show for it is looking up to Phoenix while trying to collect lotto balls. You used to be somebody cubby.

[Thread]

12 is as childish as second 5

No. "12" is concocted to inspire pissin' matches. 2nd 5th is reality. It happened. You won your 1st 5th twice. Ipso facto:::2nd 5th.

[baseline bum]

No. "12" is concocted to inspire pissin' matches. 2nd 5th is reality. It happened. You won your 1st 5th twice. Ipso facto:::2nd 5th.

12 is reality. The second fifth is just you playing what if again.

[Thread]

12 is reality. The second fifth is just you playing what if again.

"12" is always lodged to sell "shit."

2nd 5th is pure.

[baseline bum]

"12" is always lodged to sell "shit."

2nd 5th is pure.

Stop playing what if son. Can you imagine paying 48.5 and only getting 12 out of it?

[Thread]

"12" is always lodged to sell "shit."

2nd 5th is pure.

[Brazil]

"12" is always lodged to sell "shit."

2nd 5th is pure.

12 is mathematically sound... 2nd 5 is not, there is only 5 after 4 and before 6... there is no 4 5 5 6... nope

[Thread]

"12" is always lodged to sell "shit."

2nd 5th is pure.

[baseline bum]

Why so bitter at Kobe being the 12th man?

[Thread]

Why so bitter at Kobe being the 12th man?


I don't do "12." I leave that to you children.

[ambchang]

I don't do "12." I leave that to you children.

You do show up when things are over, and yet you show up after game 7 is wrapped, not game 6.

[Thread]

You do show up when things are over

Thank you.

[ambchang]

Thank you.

You are welcome. And you actually only show up when things are wrapped up and closed, which is why you DIDN'T show up after Game 6 and before Game 7.

[baseline bum]

I don't do "12." I leave that to you children.

Why so bitter at Kobe being the 12th man?

[Thread]

Why so bitter at Kobe being the 12th man?

Bend over. I'll be the 12th fuckin' man.

[baseline bum]

Bend over. I'll be the 12th fuckin' man.

Like Kobe bent over in Detroit? Sorry son, this ass is for exit only.

[jsandiego]

I am always curious as to why people have Magic over Kareem. IMO Kareem is the pretty clear cut #2, 6 mvps and 6 titles is tough to argue with. I agree with your assessment on Wilt and Russell, very hard to judge them because of when they played.
I probably go Magic over Kareem since Kareem didn't get over the hump in the 70s without Oscar, and only won again once he had Magic. Magic was past his prime and still took Vlade to the Finals in 1991. But it's not an easy decision to make between the two for me, and you can probably make the case for Duncan over Magic or Kareem given his defensive abilities and his solo performance in 2003.

[jsandiego]

They won't put Duncan over Bird tbh, but I agree with our list.
Agreed. The knee-jerk reaction is to put Bird over Duncan, but the stats, longevity, and team success don't lie. He has one less regular season MVP, 2 more Finals MVPs (and 29 seconds from FMVP#4), and has been doing it about 8 years longer than Bird did.

Bird over Duncan is 80s nostalgia.

[Splits]

I probably go Magic over Kareem since Kareem didn't get over the hump in the 70s without Oscar, and only won again once he had Magic. Magic was past his prime and still took Vlade to the Finals in 1991. But it's not an easy decision to make between the two for me, and you can probably make the case for Duncan over Magic or Kareem given his defensive abilities and his solo performance in 2003.

Magic only played 11 seasons before getting gay cancer. He should barely be top-10 if you're looking at both peak and longevity. Kareem is ahead of him given those criteria.

[Ashy Larry]

Dream is 10
Shaquille at 9

[Ashy Larry]

Duncan at 8

[baseline bum]

Duncan at 8

Surprised to see James beat him out

[Ashy Larry]

Surprised to see James beat him out

According to the next two picks, it's gonna be Bird and Russell. James is in the top five all time. That's down right crazy.

[baseline bum]

According to the next two picks, it's gonna be Bird and Russell. James is in the top five all time. That's down right crazy.

Where you seeing that? Like I said upstairs, any permutation of Bird / James / Duncan can be argued pretty well, and top 2-4 should be some permutation of Magic/Kareem/Wilt. Ridiculous seeing Russell so high, I'd never have him top 10.

[Ashy Larry]

Where you seeing that? Like I said upstairs, any permutation of Bird / James / Duncan can be argued pretty well, and top 2-4 should be some permutation of Magic/Kareem/Wilt. Ridiculous seeing Russell so high, I'd never have him top 10.


Espn page has 6-10 with pics of Bird, Shaquille, Russell, Duncan and Dream. No James, Wilt, Magic, Bird or Jordan. So the latter crew has to be the top five.

Have no problem with Russell being in the top ten. Dude was pretty dominant even with his brutal fg% for a big men. Imagine the amount of triple double he and wilt would have if they kept blocks as a stat. Most have him in the top five. I think he's in the right place around 6-7. Plus 11 rings don't hurt. Dude just won even in his era. All you can ask.

[baseline bum]

Espn page has 6-10 with pics of Bird, Shaquille, Russell, Duncan and Dream. No James, Wilt, Magic, Bird or Jordan. So the latter crew has to be the top five.

I see on their NBA page. Glad to see Russell wasn't top 5 at least.

[Ashy Larry]

Just can't have James in the top five all time yet. Maybe ten but personally have him around 11-15 because his career isn't over.

[baseline bum]

Just can't have James in the top five all time yet. Maybe ten but personally have him around 11-15 because his career isn't over.

I'd have him at 7 on my list.

1. Jordan
2. Johnson
3. Chamberlain
4. Abdul-Jabbar
5. Bird
6. Duncan
7. James
8. O'Neal
9. Olajuwon
10. Bryant

[Ashy Larry]

Jordan
Jabbar
Johnson
Wilt
Russell
Duncan
Bird
Bryant
O'Neal
Olajuwon


had Russ in the top five just cause all he did was win. Even in that era. It's all subjective and opinionated. I just look at that Top 15. If you're one of the best 15 players that has ever played, you gotta be doing something right.

[Kawhitstorm]

I'd have him at 7 on my list.

1. Jordan
2. Johnson
3. Chamberlain
4. Abdul-Jabbar
5. Bird
6. Duncan
7. James
8. O'Neal
9. Olajuwon
10. Bryant

How in the hell is Bird #5 & Moses not top 10?
-Won 3 MVPs
-Was responsible for the most dominant playoff run of the 80s (yeah, Bird's era)
-Pounded the same Bucks team that swept Bird in 83
-Outplayed prime Kareem & beat Magic/Kareem with Calvin Murphy as his wingman while Bird lost to the same squad w/ McHale/Parish/DJ
-Outplayed Bird in the 1980 ECF despite losing he series b/c motha fuckin' Calvin Murphy was his wingman
-Outplayed Bird in the 1981 Finals despite losing he series b/c motha fuckin' Calvin Murphy was his wingman (Bird wasn't even FMVP)

Bird never repeated despite playing with 3 HOFers (McHale/Parish/DJ) DURING THE PEAK OF HIS PRIME.

[spursistan]

if Timmy isn't Top 5 All-time, this one is a joke..

[Thread]

You do show up when things are over

Absolutely.

[TDfan2007]

How in the hell is Bird #5 & Moses not top 10?
-Won 3 MVPs
-Was responsible for the most dominant playoff run of the 80s (yeah, Bird's era)
-Pounded the same Bucks team that swept Bird in 83
-Outplayed prime Kareem & beat Magic/Kareem with Calvin Murphy as his wingman while Bird lost to the same squad w/ McHale/Parish/DJ
-Outplayed Bird in the 1980 ECF despite losing he series b/c motha fuckin' Calvin Murphy was his wingman
-Outplayed Bird in the 1981 Finals despite losing he series b/c motha fuckin' Calvin Murphy was his wingman (Bird wasn't even FMVP)

Bird never repeated despite playing with 3 HOFers (McHale/Parish/DJ) DURING THE PEAK OF HIS PRIME.

Moses Malone and Big O, but especially Moses, are two of the most underrated players ever. It's a shame.

[TDfan2007]

Also, not a fan of LeBron and Russel being above Timmy, but pretty much everyone else on that list has an argument over him.

[Kawhitstorm]

Moses Malone and Big O, but especially Moses, are two of the most underrated players ever. It's a shame.

Big O at least played during the pre-merger era but Moses actually played against all the 70s/80s HOFers & dominated. Bird on the other hand gets a passing despite playing with MULTIPLE HOFers his ENTIRE career & never repeating b/c he couldn't beat the same Lakers that Moses beat single-handily.

[spurraider21]

How in the hell is Bird #5 & Moses not top 10?
-Won 3 MVPs
-Was responsible for the most dominant playoff run of the 80s (yeah, Bird's era)
-Pounded the same Bucks team that swept Bird in 83
-Outplayed prime Kareem & beat Magic/Kareem with Calvin Murphy as his wingman while Bird lost to the same squad w/ McHale/Parish/DJ
-Outplayed Bird in the 1980 ECF despite losing he series b/c motha fuckin' Calvin Murphy was his wingman
-Outplayed Bird in the 1981 Finals despite losing he series b/c motha fuckin' Calvin Murphy was his wingman (Bird wasn't even FMVP)

Bird never repeated despite playing with 3 HOFers (McHale/Parish/DJ) DURING THE PEAK OF HIS PRIME.
:cry

why didnt moses :cry repeat :cry after winning in 83? instead they got bounced in the first round in 84 by the nets with virtually the same squad

[Mal]

James over Duncan for career. Joke

[Ashy Larry]

James over Duncan for career. Joke


cant put him in the top five just yet.

[Thread]

:cry

why didnt moses :cry repeat :cry after winning in 83? instead they got bounced in the first round in 84 by the nets with virtually the same squad

Hadn't Magic run off that lunatic Lloyd guy during the off season? He was a gd menace. Had no respect for Magic and Magic's way of cruising down the lane, watermelon smile, high dribble, foul called. Couldn't get anything done with Lewis around. tee, hee.

[Killakobe81]

Now Spur fan upset when there has been such bullshit up and down this list ...
Was downright giddy at "12" but now ESPN is full of shit cuz Duncan is 8th.
Priceless.
bbbut ESPN is full of advanced metrics guys ...how can Duncan be behind Magic and Kareem he is the best player since JORDAN??!!!!!

[K...]

no just upset that LeBron....aka Duncan's shit boy....is ahead of him. You best a guy 2/3 and that counts?


I said it before...LeBron switching teams in free agency in such a blatant way will really drag him out of the top ten eventually..yes, amazing streak of finals appearances, no not really amazing if you pick your team to have the weakest competition.

[Killakobe81]

no just upset that LeBron....aka Duncan's shit boy....is ahead of him. You best a guy 2/3 and that counts?


I said it before...LeBron switching teams in free agency in such a blatant way will really drag him out of the top ten eventually..yes, amazing streak of finals appearances, no not really amazing if you pick your team to have the weakest competition.

Price behind Mo Cheeks ...
Kemp behind Love ...
This whole list is full of shit, so why get mad now?

[marinoman]

7. russell
6. bird

lebron in top 5

[Splits]

Now Spur fan upset when there has been such bullshit up and down this list ...
Was downright giddy at "12" but now ESPN is full of shit cuz Duncan is 8th.
Priceless.
bbbut ESPN is full of advanced metrics guys ...how can Duncan be behind Magic and Kareem he is the best player since JORDAN??!!!!!

who's upset?

[Killakobe81]

7. russell
6. bird

lebron in top 5

Like I have said many times before LeBron has (well had) a case for #1. Personally, I rank rings higher as a factor than most of you clowns do ...but when you factor peak plus career plus his advanced metrics (and dont knock his finals record) ... he absolutely has a case for a top 3 spot.

[Kawhitstorm]

:cry

why didnt moses :cry repeat :cry after winning in 83? instead they got bounced in the first round in 84 by the nets with virtually the same squad

Moses was injured in 83-84 & sat out the all-star game. (His ankle was fucked up ala Timmay in 2005)

Besides, they lost the series b/c Bobby Jones/Marc Iavaroni got their lunch eaten by Buck Williams.

[spurraider21]

Like I have said many times before LeBron has (well had) a case for #1. Personally, I rank rings higher as a factor than most of you clowns do ...but when you factor peak plus career plus his advanced metrics (and dont knock his finals record) ... he absolutely has a case for a top 3 spot.
Do you weigh all rings equally? Does wade's 06 ring mean the same as 13?

[ambchang]

Absolutely.

But not after game 6. Only after game 7.

Hey, you said you'd explain to me your insight after Monday. I reminded you yesterday and it's Tuesday now. Any thoughts of acting like an honourable man?

[Thread]

But not after game 6. Only after game 7.

Hey, you said you'd explain to me your insight after Monday. I reminded you yesterday and it's Tuesday now. Any thoughts of acting like an honourable man?

I shouldn't give you the time of day after you compromised my Skunker Thread.

Therefore, I won't.

[Mitch]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say they'll put Lebron at #2 to be edgy :lol

[Koolaid_Man]

Like I have said many times before LeBron has (well had) a case for #1. Personally, I rank rings higher as a factor than most of you clowns do ...but when you factor peak plus career plus his advanced metrics (and dont knock his finals record) ... he absolutely has a case for a top 3 spot.


You have no value arguememts or reasons for why and where you rank Lebronze and Tammy the bronze medal brothers....if you have legit reasons I would actually love to hear the rationale

[ambchang]

I shouldn't give you the time of day after you compromised my Skunker Thread.

Therefore, I won't.

I stayed out of it like you asked. But you never answered me like I asked.

I kept my word, you didn't.

I guess I will start posting in the skunker thread again if I don't hear from you tomorrow.

[DMC]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say they'll put Lebron at #2 to be edgy :lol
Your fat ass would break that limb.

[DMC]

Russell shouldn't be in the top 10 tbh. He played in such a weak ass watered down era. They need two lists, too keep these elderly folks from getting feelings about those days they couldn't run and dribble without looking down.

[Mitch]

Your fat ass would break that limb.

Eh here's a pity reply, porky

[DMC]

Eh here's a pity reply, porky

Don't eat all the queso, Mulch.

[Thread]

I stayed out of it like you asked. But you never answered me like I asked.

I kept my word, you didn't.

I guess I will start posting in the skunker thread again if I don't hear from you tomorrow.

I resigned my commission early this morning. It's yours.

[ambchang]

I resigned my commission early this morning. It's yours.

You'd rather give me free reign of the skunker thread than to explain your insight? Come on man,don't cheap out on me.

[Thread]

You'd rather give me free reign of the skunker thread than to explain your insight? Come on man,don't cheap out on me.

Yes. I begged you to get out of it, but, you kept right on coming in there fucking around. Now, it's ruined for me. You asshole.

[ambchang]

Yes. I begged you to get out of it, but, you kept right on coming in there fucking around. Now, it's ruined for me. You asshole.

I didn't post one single line since you asked. I kept my word.

You, on the other hand, didn't share your insights like some greedy squirrel hoarding on nuts. You did not keep your word.
For shame old man.

[apalisoc_9]

Bryant is a top 10 player, all kidding aside, Imo. No way russell should be above him.

[Ashy Larry]

Number 5: Wilt

[Ashy Larry]

Magic at 4

[Benoit]

Lebron ahead of Magic and Kobe is a joke

[baseline bum]

I'm a big LeBron fan, but holy fucking shit, no way he's better than HIV+ and Wilt. :lmao

[Arcadian]

Duncan > Bird
Duncan >>> Russell

[lefty]

Bird > Duncan

DeAndre Jordan > Russell

[Thread]

Bird > Duncan

DeAndre Jordan > Russell

Hey, Lefty, OT:::why do NHL goalies leave the pipes to pursue the puck? Seems an absurd practice and one I'd think would be banned by the coach.

[Killakobe81]

Do you weigh all rings equally? Does wade's 06 ring mean the same as 13?

Nah but I wouldn't take away points from Timmy for the last one when he was not the best offensive or defensive player on the 2014 team. If you are at least a top 3 player on your squad it should count. For example for Boston in 2008 who doesnt get credit for that title? KG the defensive anchor. Allen the space maker or Pierce? I give credit to all 3 but rondo was just a bus driver so to me it still counts but less so.

[AlexJones]

It doesn't make sense to leave Kobe out of the top 10, but have clowns like Isiah, O-Rob high on the list and Bird above Duncan. It's like ESPN wants to seem analytical while trying to please the conservative crowd at the same time.

I'll take Dirk at 17 tho

[baseline bum]

LeBron at #3

697496027058806784

And now we see the reason why, to hype up their fucking Cleveland vs LA2 game on ESPN tonight :lol

697503291203149824

[Ashy Larry]

Have no problem with number 3 for James but it has to be deserved at the end of his career. Can't give him the number three ranking while he's still playing. Just crazy.

[lefty]

Hey, Lefty, OT:::why do NHL goalies leave the pipes to pursue the puck? Seems an absurd practice and one I'd think would be banned by the coach.
idk I guess it's to increase the average scoring

Goalie leaves the pipes to pursue pucks, turns it over, goal

[Killakobe81]

Have no problem with number 3 for James but it has to be deserved at the end of his career. Can't give him the number three ranking while he's still playing. Just crazy.

yep. But I dont care much about these. His peak is impressive. Advanced metrics love him. He has two rings and many Finals appearances even if some are losses. I get we all have our ranks but it's not like he is THAT far from #3 imho. I agree with you, already a top 10 but not sure he is at 3 if he died today. But if I have him ...let's say 7th or 8th that is only overrating him slightly in the grand scheme ...no biggie.

[apalisoc_9]

Real, non bias top 10 by a smart guy

1. Micheal coon Jordan
2. Kareem
3. TD
4. Lebron
5. Shaq
6. Aids
7. Hakeem
8. Moses
9. Bird
10.Kobe

[jeebus]

LeDecline in the top 5 is hilarious. He had a couple good seasons in Cleveland but ultimately had to leave so he could coattail to some rings. Now that he's in his 30s, he's athleticism is dropping off a cliff and he never had average bball IQ or skills, so he's falling back on his coaching/GM skills...and we all know how those are.

[Brazil]

Now Spur fan upset when there has been such bullshit up and down this list ...
Was downright giddy at "12" but now ESPN is full of shit cuz Duncan is 8th.
Priceless.
bbbut ESPN is full of advanced metrics guys ...how can Duncan be behind Magic and Kareem he is the best player since JORDAN??!!!!!

Kobe at 12 is about right
Tim at 8 is a joke, Tim is at worst 5

[Thread]

idk I guess it's to increase the average scoring

Goalie leaves the pipes to pursue pucks, turns it over, goal

Midst told me you were a hockey expert.

[Koolaid_Man]

Have no problem with number 3 for James but it has to be deserved at the end of his career. Can't give him the number three ranking while he's still playing. Just crazy.

What has he done to deserve 3....what does he need to do to deserve 3....I don't think he should be in the top 10 on anyone's list...if so I want legit reasons

[Koolaid_Man]

Real, non bias top 10 by a smart guy

1. Micheal coon Jordan
2. Kareem
3. TD
4. Lebron
5. Shaq
6. Aids
7. Hakeem
8. Moses
9. Bird
10.Kobe


Who has Lebron led to deserve his ranking....and you better not say Dwade who was a champion before Lebronze came along

[ambchang]

I can see the angle of having Lebron at #3, and this is purely from an advanced statistics perspective. It's clear that success in the post season isn't really that heavily weighed when both Wilt and Lebron were ranked that high on the all-time list. That said, I have issues with the consistency of how this was executed.

If they ranked Lebron and Wilt that high, Robinson would be higher because he posted absolutely monster advanced stats before his injuries.

If they ranked players based mostly on advanced stats, Duncan should be higher than Bird and Russell, and arguably even Magic.

I personally won't rank Lebron that high, and it's not for lack of production, it's that 2011 is so ingrained in my brain that really, none of the top 10 players were shut down to a degree like Lebron got shut down by the Mavs (by million year old Kidd and Marion) in the 4th quarters in multiple games of the Finals.

Same with Wilt. The guy was great statistically, but he really is one of the rare players who you can say really choked (Mailman is the other).

[Killakobe81]

I can see the angle of having Lebron at #3, and this is purely from an advanced statistics perspective. It's clear that success in the post season isn't really that heavily weighed when both Wilt and Lebron were ranked that high on the all-time list. That said, I have issues with the consistency of how this was executed.

If they ranked Lebron and Wilt that high, Robinson would be higher because he posted absolutely monster advanced stats before his injuries.

If they ranked players based mostly on advanced stats, Duncan should be higher than Bird and Russell, and arguably even Magic.

I personally won't rank Lebron that high, and it's not for lack of production, it's that 2011 is so ingrained in my brain that really, none of the top 10 players were shut down to a degree like Lebron got shut down by the Mavs (by million year old Kidd and Marion) in the 4th quarters in multiple games of the Finals.

Same with Wilt. The guy was great statistically, but he really is one of the rare players who you can say really choked (Mailman is the other).

Agreed. That is why I said this list was horseshit. But I dont see the major crime with Lebron over Timmy ... a case can me be made with some metrics and peak numbers though you can make a case the other way as well with Duncan over James.. Honestly either way ...this list is shit ...

I do think Kareem and MJ at the top 2 pots makes a lot of sense. After those two you can flip most players in any order in the top 10 ... and not be crazy.

[Killakobe81]

Real, non bias top 10 by a smart guy

1. Micheal coon Jordan
2. Kareem
3. TD
4. Lebron
5. Shaq
6. Aids
7. Hakeem
8. Moses
9. Bird
10.Kobe

sorry Moses at 8 is to high ...he is always underrated but then people overrate him to make up for it by placing him 8th. No he is not the 8th greatest player ...even if you dont count Wilt or Russell.

[John Petrucci]

LBJ is low key ecstatic about this I bet.

Bird shouldn't be in front of Duncan. Everyone else ahead of him has an argument even if I don't necessarily agree.

[Mal]

LeBron isnt 3rd best all time if he ends career today. No fucking way

[ambchang]

sorry Moses at 8 is to high ...he is always underrated but then people overrate him to make up for it by placing him 8th. No he is not the 8th greatest player ...even if you dont count Wilt or Russell.

Moses is definitely there. His 83 run is comparable to shaqs 01 run.

[Ashy Larry]

What has he done to deserve 3....what does he need to do to deserve 3....I don't think he should be in the top 10 on anyone's list...if so I want legit reasons


Obviously he he needs the rings. I have him 9-11. He has the stats and points. Just need the rings. He gets those, I'd have no problem putting him in the top three, especially going through either the Spurs or the Dubs. Might need at least three more rings. Two is a stretch. I don't think two would even get him passed Duncan, Bryant or O'Neal. Those four final losses stand out too.

[Ashy Larry]

yep. But I dont care much about these. His peak is impressive. Advanced metrics love him. He has two rings and many Finals appearances even if some are losses. I get we all have our ranks but it's not like he is THAT far from #3 imho. I agree with you, already a top 10 but not sure he is at 3 if he died today. But if I have him ...let's say 7th or 8th that is only overrating him slightly in the grand scheme ...no biggie.


Agreed. I have him right at that 9-11 range. He rings going through the Spurs or Dubs, that's big.

[DAF86]

1-Jordan
2-Wilt
3-Kareem
4-Shaq
5-Lebron
6-Duncan
7-Bird
8-Magic
9-Russell
10-Oscar

*Giving more importance to peak than longevity

[ambchang]

1-Jordan
2-Wilt
3-Kareem
4-Shaq
5-Lebron
6-Duncan
7-Bird
8-Magic
9-Russell
10-Oscar

*Giving more importance to peak than longevity

If that's the case Hakeem is a lock for top 10.

[DAF86]

If that's the case Hakeem is a lock for top 10.

Maybe. I preferred Oscar's triple double seasons over Hakeem's best ones and I just can't place Olajuwon over any of the other 9 players.

[AlexJones]

3. LeBron James
:worthy: :worthy: ESPN

[spurraider21]

LeDecline in the top 5 is hilarious. He had a couple good seasons in Cleveland but ultimately had to leave so he could coattail to some rings. Now that he's in his 30s, he's athleticism is dropping off a cliff and he never had average bball IQ or skills, so he's falling back on his coaching/GM skills...and we all know how those are.
:wow

[Ashy Larry]

:worthy: :worthy: ESPN

dude's not done. I got him at six and he's still got a few prime years left. If some had him at three at this point, wouldnt havens problem with it especially with leading everyone in all the major categories.

[TDMVPDPOY]

lebron top3 who plays on one man pathetic team posting up monster empty numbers

imagine if a scrub like kg had 3 rings to his accumulated stats, then he be top 5 just by looking at his numbers

[ambchang]

Maybe. I preferred Oscar's triple double seasons over Hakeem's best ones and I just can't place Olajuwon over any of the other 9 players.
Higher peak than magic Duncan and Russell at the very least.

[TDMVPDPOY]

isnt lebron just a overglorified magic without a jumpshot, yes both dont have a jumpshot to rely on

so shouldnt he be closer to magic rank then say anywhere top5?