Obama For A Third Term Not Looking So Bad Right Now

[Koolaid_Man]

Considering the alternatives..maybe we pursue changing the Constitution....

We need to keep any and all Repubs away from the white house....all of them are bat shit crazy....Hillary is boring and Bernie is old and lying his ass off....sure wish Biden would have run...or former San Antonio mayor Julian Castro..I can't wait for him to run...he has my vote already..I wish he would step up and run he's an awesome guy

[Th'Pusher]

Considering the alternatives..maybe we pursue changing the Constitution....

We need to keep any and all Repubs away from the white house....all of them are bat shit crazy....Hillary is boring and Bernie is old and lying his ass off....sure wish Biden would have run...or former San Antonio mayor Julian Castro..I can't wait for him to run...he has my vote already..I wish he would step up and run he's an awesome guy
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/julian-castro-possible-vice-president-218119

[CosmicCowboy]

castro will be hillarys vp

[ChumpDumper]

Biden could announce at the filing deadline and probably win.

[CosmicCowboy]

Filing deadlines passed in most states. If Hillary flames out they will just elect him in the back room at the convention.

[Koolaid_Man]

Biden could announce at the filing deadline and probably win.

Let's hope Biden wins...I want to see a woman but not sure about Hilary...however I will take her over Bernie and any Republican...her problem is she doesn't seem decisive and strong...maybe not genuine...I didnt give a fuck about the email server controversy....so fucking what she lied big deal...lying by default is a necessity of being POTUS....we don't need to know everything all the time...and saying we will always uphold the truth is a horrible thing to say....in many ways lying is all about integrity

[ChumpDumper]

Filing deadlines passed in most states. If Hillary flames out they will just elect him in the back room at the convention.Filing for an independent run?

I'm starting to think he could even win that way.

[boutons_deux]

Bloomberg says he's looking a at 3rd party, to decide in March. crazy fricking times!

[rmt]

Let's hope Biden wins...I want to see a woman but not sure about Hilary...however I will take her over Bernie and any Republican...her problem is she doesn't seem decisive and strong...maybe not genuine...I didnt give a fuck about the email server controversy....so fucking what she lied big deal...lying by default is a necessity of being POTUS....we don't need to know everything all the time...and saying we will always uphold the truth is a horrible thing to say....in many ways lying is all about integrity

It's not just that she lied - it's that she put top secret classified information at risk to every Tom, Dick and Harry hacker out there.

[Koolaid_Man]

It's not just that she lied - it's that she put top secret classified information at risk to every Tom, Dick and Harry hacker out there.

So what.... nobody died when Clinton lied...sure she made a bad decision but everyone POTUS from the beginning of time has and 90% of those bastards far worse. And if you think Snowden was a hero then you shouldn't be complaining at all about her small bad choice....having a Trump or a Cruz in office far out weighs anything Hilary could have done

[Splits]

It's not just that she lied - it's that she put top secret classified information at risk to every Tom, Dick and Harry hacker out there.

Link?

[rmt]

Courtesy of TSA:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...l?intcmp=hpbt4

At least one of the emails on Hillary Clinton's private server contained extremely sensitive information identified by an intelligence agency as "HCS-O," which is the code used for reporting on human intelligence sources in ongoing operations, according to two sources not authorized to speak on the record.

Both sources are familiar with the intelligence community inspector generals January 14 letter to Congress, advising the Oversight committees that intelligence beyond Top Secret -- known as Special Access Program (SAP) -- was identified in the Clinton emails, as well the supporting documents from the affected agencies that owned the information and have final say on classification.

According to a December 2013 policy document released by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence: The HSC-0 compartment (Operations) is used to protect exceptionally fragile and unique IC (intelligence community) clandestine HUMINT operations and methods that are not intended for dissemination outside of the originating agency.

It is not publicly known whether the information contained in the Clinton emails also revealed who the human source was, their nationality or affiliation.

Dan Maguire, former Special Operations strategic planner for Africom, told Fox News the disclosure of sensitive material impacts national security and exposes U.S. sources.

"There are peoples lives at stake. Certainly in an intel SAP, if youre talking about sources and methods, there may be one person in the world that would have access to the type of information contained in that SAP, he said.

It is not known what the impact was on the source, nor the findings of a damage assessment by the agency that controlled the source.

Separately, Fox News has learned that the so-called "spillage" of classified information is greater than the several dozen emails identified in the January 14 letter to Congress, which also acknowledged for the first time, that the Clinton emails contained intelligence beyond Top Secret, also known as Special Access Programs (SAPs).

The source said that the "several dozen" refers to the main or principal email thread identified by reviewers, not the number of times that classified information was forwarded, replied to or copied to people who did not have a need-to-know using unsecured communication channels -- in this case a personal server. More than one Special Access Program was affected.

"It's pretty tough to have SAP program material out in the public domain. I mean, it's a huge foul if that occurs, said Maguire, who retired after 46 years of service, and who was involved with Special Access Programs throughout his career. Maguire says a damage assessment to the program is mandatory and immediate.

"It's a fairly laborious investigation. Once you know something was out to one person, that person sends it to 15, 15 send it to someone else -- so it's very difficult to ascertain where it all went but that's all part of the damage control aspect to get all the information back in the box."

The two declarations provided to the heads of the House and Senate Intelligence committees -- as well as the leadership of Senate Foreign Affairs with oversight for the State Department -- include the emails containing SAP intelligence, as well as supporting documents from the agency affected, showing how they reached the determination it came from one of its sources, and not from publicly available information.

When the inspector generals letter was first reported by Fox News, Hillary Clinton spokesman Brian Fallon said, This is the same interagency dispute that has been playing out for months, and it does not change the fact that these emails were not classified at the time they were sent or received.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Link?


http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...ret-ig-n499886


Hillary Clinton Emails Held Info Beyond Top Secret: IG


Emails from Hillary Clinton's home server contained information classified at levels higher than previously known, including a level meant to protect some of the most sensitive U.S. intelligence, according to a document obtained by NBC News. In a letter to lawmakers, the intelligence community's internal watchdog says some of Clinton's emails contained information classified Top Secret/Special Access Program, a secrecy designation that includes some of the most closely held U.S. intelligence matters.
Two American intelligence officials tell NBC News these are not the same two emails from Clinton's server that have long been reported as containing information deemed Top Secret.
The letter, first reported by Fox News, doesn't make clear whether Clinton sent or received the emails in question, but in the past, emails containing classified information have tended to have been sent to Clinton, not written by her.
The new revelation underscores the extent to which the email classification issue could continue to dog Clinton, as State Department and intelligence officials review sensitive information within messages that were blacked out before being released to the public.
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Clinton, who tops national primary polling as a Democratic presidential candidate, has repeatedly said that none of the information she sent or received while secretary of state was marked classified, and nothing has emerged to contradict that. But it's become clear that classified information bled into the emails, which were sent over unencrypted channels open to interception by foreign intelligence agencies.


Charles McCulllough, the intelligence community's inspector general, said in a letter to the chairmen of the Senate intelligence and foreign affairs committees that he has received sworn declarations from an intelligence agency he declined to name.
The declarations cover "several dozen emails containing classified information determined by the IC element to be at the CONFIDENTIAL, SECRET and TOP SECRET/SAP information."
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An intelligence official familiar with the matter told NBC News that the special access program in question was so sensitive that McCullough and some of his aides had to receive clearance to be read in on it before viewing the sworn declaration about the Clinton emails.
Clinton's campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
While she was secretary of state from 2009 to 2013, Clinton conducted government business over private email. The arrangement was particularly unusual because the email system relied not on Yahoo or Google but her own server, which she kept in her home in Westchester County, N.Y.
The State Department is under court order to release Clinton's government-related emails under the Freedom of Information Act. Clinton has turned over about 55,000 emails, and almost all have been released, though they have been heavily censored. The last batch is due to be made public Jan. 29.
While Republicans have criticized Clinton over the issue, her defenders have pointed out that the State Department has long faced the problem of how to communicate about sensitive matters. Unlike the CIA, State does most of its business over an unclassified email system, and many officials do not have easy access to a classified messaging system.
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State Department spokesman John Kirby said that the State Department is "focused on and committed to releasing former Secretary Clinton's emails in a manner that protects sensitive information. No one takes this more seriously than we do. We have said repeatedly that we anticipate more upgrades throughout our release process. Our FOIA review process is still ongoing. Once that process is complete, if it is determined that information should be classified as Top Secret we will do so."‎

[ElNono]

Courtesy of TSA:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...l?intcmp=hpbt4

At least one of the emails on Hillary Clinton's private server contained extremely sensitive information identified by an intelligence agency as "HCS-O," which is the code used for reporting on human intelligence sources in ongoing operations, according to two sources not authorized to speak on the record.

Both sources are familiar with the intelligence community inspector generals January 14 letter to Congress, advising the Oversight committees that intelligence beyond Top Secret -- known as Special Access Program (SAP) -- was identified in the Clinton emails, as well the supporting documents from the affected agencies that owned the information and have final say on classification.

According to a December 2013 policy document released by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence: The HSC-0 compartment (Operations) is used to protect exceptionally fragile and unique IC (intelligence community) clandestine HUMINT operations and methods that are not intended for dissemination outside of the originating agency.

It is not publicly known whether the information contained in the Clinton emails also revealed who the human source was, their nationality or affiliation.

Dan Maguire, former Special Operations strategic planner for Africom, told Fox News the disclosure of sensitive material impacts national security and exposes U.S. sources.

"There are peoples lives at stake. Certainly in an intel SAP, if youre talking about sources and methods, there may be one person in the world that would have access to the type of information contained in that SAP, he said.

It is not known what the impact was on the source, nor the findings of a damage assessment by the agency that controlled the source.

Separately, Fox News has learned that the so-called "spillage" of classified information is greater than the several dozen emails identified in the January 14 letter to Congress, which also acknowledged for the first time, that the Clinton emails contained intelligence beyond Top Secret, also known as Special Access Programs (SAPs).

The source said that the "several dozen" refers to the main or principal email thread identified by reviewers, not the number of times that classified information was forwarded, replied to or copied to people who did not have a need-to-know using unsecured communication channels -- in this case a personal server. More than one Special Access Program was affected.

"It's pretty tough to have SAP program material out in the public domain. I mean, it's a huge foul if that occurs, said Maguire, who retired after 46 years of service, and who was involved with Special Access Programs throughout his career. Maguire says a damage assessment to the program is mandatory and immediate.

"It's a fairly laborious investigation. Once you know something was out to one person, that person sends it to 15, 15 send it to someone else -- so it's very difficult to ascertain where it all went but that's all part of the damage control aspect to get all the information back in the box."

The two declarations provided to the heads of the House and Senate Intelligence committees -- as well as the leadership of Senate Foreign Affairs with oversight for the State Department -- include the emails containing SAP intelligence, as well as supporting documents from the agency affected, showing how they reached the determination it came from one of its sources, and not from publicly available information.

When the inspector generals letter was first reported by Fox News, Hillary Clinton spokesman Brian Fallon said, This is the same interagency dispute that has been playing out for months, and it does not change the fact that these emails were not classified at the time they were sent or received.


it's a terrible piece. starts with secret sauces, then follows with a prerogative (that documents hit the public domain) that, as far as we know, hasn't happened.

I don't care about shillary, but frankly, I don't know anybody that's not a republican that's at the edge of their seat over this "scandal". IMO, this whole things exemplifies the fear of certain part of the GOP that she might actually be the next POTUS.

[ElNono]

I'm actually curious what happens if she does get indicted and drops out of the race. Both on what Bernie could pull and who else might step up... Biden and/or Bloomberg are my guesses.

[rmt]

I'm actually curious what happens if she does get indicted and drops out of the race. Both on what Bernie could pull and who else might step up... Biden and/or Bloomberg are my guesses.

Isn't it important WHEN she get indicted (hypothetically)? If it's during the primaries and Bernie gets the delegates from the primaries (because Biden/Bloomberg haven't signed up), can they do a brokered convention and have Biden or Bloomberg get the nomination? That would cause an outrage from Bernie fans. OTOH, if she wins the nomination and then gets indicted, maybe then a brokered convention with Biden/Bloomberg?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Isn't it important WHEN she get indicted (hypothetically)? If it's during the primaries and Bernie gets the delegates from the primaries (because Biden/Bloomberg haven't signed up), can they do a brokered convention and have Biden or Bloomberg get the nomination? That would cause an outrage from Bernie fans. OTOH, if she wins the nomination and then gets indicted, maybe then a brokered convention with Biden/Bloomberg?
I think she'll be indicted in March on the server issue and indicted again over the summer on her foundation issue.

[Koolaid_Man]

Obama gonna take care of her

[tlongII]

Trump

[ElNono]

Isn't it important WHEN she get indicted (hypothetically)? If it's during the primaries and Bernie gets the delegates from the primaries (because Biden/Bloomberg haven't signed up), can they do a brokered convention and have Biden or Bloomberg get the nomination? That would cause an outrage from Bernie fans. OTOH, if she wins the nomination and then gets indicted, maybe then a brokered convention with Biden/Bloomberg?

Let's see if she does... so far the Dept of State has seemingly been batting for her... we'll see if the DoJ follows suit or not...

If it's going to happen, it gotta be soon... once the national election campaign is in full swing, it's going to be near impossible, IMO