How badly will it haunt Brady if Manning wins it all?

[Thebesteva]

Brady is the greater overall QB, but his rivalry with Manning would end in a 3-2 loss in the post season and while it's always looked clear that Brady has had the greater overall career, Manning would be riding off into the sunset with that 20-18 victory over the Patriots being part of the highlight reel. You can't convince me Brady isn't praying Cam wins this Sunday to definitively conclude how much better Brady was.

[spurraider21]

Brady is the greater overall QB, but his rivalry with Manning would end in a 3-2 loss in the post season Brazil

[HarlemHeat37]

Let's be honest, New England wouldn't have scored 3 points vs. Denver's D if Manning replaced Brady, tbh:lol..

[Thebesteva]

Let's be honest, New England wouldn't have scored 3 points vs. Denver's D if Manning replaced Brady, tbh:lol..

Yeah, Denver's D is a nightmare right now. Hope they figure out a way to shut down Carolina. But the point is it will haunt Brady that the story ends that way IF and its a big if it ends that way

[spurraider21]

denver's D theoretically matches up against carolina since they have the speed at linebacker to really contain newton's shenanigans. von/ware aren't gna allow cam to just chill in his comfort zone like he has past couple of games

[Brazil]

Brazil (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14466)


Let's be honest, New England wouldn't have scored 3 points vs. Denver's D if Manning replaced Brady, tbh:lol..

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

denver's D theoretically matches up against carolina since they have the speed at linebacker to really contain newton's shenanigans. von/ware aren't gna allow cam to just chill in his comfort zone like he has past couple of games
Yes but Their offense matched up horribly against our defense.

[MultiTroll]

Bradys legacy was sealed by Pete Caroll in the SuperFlub.

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[DAF86]

Let's be honest, New England wouldn't have scored 3 points vs. Denver's D if Manning replaced Brady, tbh:lol..

Just like Brady wouldn't have won those first 2/3 championships without those Patriots defenses. Manning being the one able to count on his defense and kicker for once, is sweet justice.

[HarlemHeat37]

Just like Brady wouldn't have won those first 2/3 championships without those Patriots defenses. Manning being the one able to count on his defense and kicker for once, is sweet justice.

Manning's 2006 team was carried by the defense, too, IIRC..

[DAF86]

Manning's 2006 team was carried by the defense, too, IIRC..

Is no coincidence that the first time Manning isn't let down by his defense and/or kicker he wins it all, tbh.

[Avante]

Denver on the road (without that 5000 foot elevation) facing a team that can run the ball is something totally different than facing a Pats team with a non athletic QB with no running game.

Then there's this....

Panthers are plus about 28 in the TO battle, the Broncos about even. This is...HUGE.

Brady will get his wish. And I can't think of anyone who thinks Manning is better than Brady other than Colt/Bronco fans.

[HarlemHeat37]

Is no coincidence that the first time Manning isn't let down by his defense and/or kicker he wins it all, tbh.

:lol I don't care about Manning vs. Brady, but I agree with whoever was arguing(Brazil?) that it's pretty illogical to argue QB vs. QB performance in a single NFL game where they're playing against different defenses..

[DAF86]

FWIW, Manning still needed to throw for 350 yds and put 38 pts in the AFC championship game to squeak out a win vs the Patriots, tbh.

[DAF86]

:lol I don't care about Manning vs. Brady, but I agree with whoever was arguing(Brazil?) that it's pretty illogical to argue QB vs. QB performance in a single NFL game where they're playing against different defenses..

I have no problem with that logic either, but if we had to listen for years how Brady was more clutch than Manning and how he dominated Peyton in head to head matchups, we better keep that shit going now that Manning turned the story around, tbh.

[DAF86]

Denver on the road (without that 5000 foot elevation) facing a team that can run the ball is something totally different than facing a Pats team with a non athletic QB with no running game.

Then there's this....

Panthers are plus about 28 in the TO battle, the Broncos about even. This is...HUGE.

Brady will get his wish. And I can't think of anyone who thinks Manning is better than Brady other than Colt/Bronco fans.

I'm neither, I'm just a very objective person that sees that Manning is better than Brady, but had the missfortune of playing in lesser teams for lesser coaches most of his career.

[Thebesteva]

I'm neither, I'm just a very objective person that sees that Manning is better than Brady, but had the missfortune of playing in lesser teams for lesser coaches most of his career.

I've always said Manning = Lebron and Brady = Kobe for that very reason but I mentioned that on LG once and everyone strongly disagreed. Of course there are many differences in their careers when you compare them but the similarities are eerie.

[DAF86]

I've always said Manning = Lebron and Brady = Kobe for that very reason but I mentioned that on LG once and everyone strongly disagreed. Of course there are many differences in their careers when you compare them but the similarities are eerie.

Yep, pretty much. Even in the clutch/choke thing. I'm a Lebron/Manning supporter (not speciffically because I like their styles but because of the undeserved shit they get due to being thrown into crappy situations) but I can admit that despite not getting any help they still choked here and there.

But still, despite being thrown into shitty situations they made something out of it thanks to being all-time greats. I don't know what kind of career Brady (a sixth round pick), would have had if he hadn't being thrown into the perfect situation with a great team and the greatest coach of all-time.

[Clipper Nation]

Is no coincidence that the first time Manning isn't let down by his defense and/or kicker he wins it all, tbh.
:lol at framing that run as Fivehead merely "not being let down by" his defense.

He threw only 3 touchdowns to 7 interceptions while putting up an anemic 16.3 points per game in the postseason that year. He was dragged kicking and screaming by the defense that yearPERIOD

[soxxx]

I think it bothers Brady more over the fact he could have gone back to the bay area and won it in the 49ers building, the same 49ers who he admired during his childhood, especially Joe Montana. He would have passed Joe Montana in Super Bowls, probably in front of Joe Montana........

[DAF86]

:lol at framing that run as Fivehead merely "not being let down by" his defense.

He threw only 3 touchdowns to 7 interceptions while putting up an anemic 16.3 points per game in the postseason that year. He was dragged kicking and screaming by the defense that yearPERIOD

The fuck are you talking about? The Colts averaged 26.25 pts per game in that postseason.

[Clipper Nation]

The fuck are you talking about? The Colts averaged 26.25 pts per game in that postseason.
That's including all the points Vinatieri and the defense put up. I was only talking about the offense's production.

Fivehead chokedPERIOD as usual. The rest of the team just stepped up and carried his ass. As Dale says: "he's a loser in the winners' circle; it happens."

[Avante]

I'm neither, I'm just a very objective person that sees that Manning is better than Brady, but had the missfortune of playing in lesser teams for lesser coaches most of his career.

I hear ya, both guys are fantastic, and there really is no need to debate anything.

[Avante]

That's including all the points Vinatieri and the defense put up. I was only talking about the offense's production.

You ever actually looked at Mannings career? Why not do that, ok little guy?

Dude, Derek Anderson over Newton, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No BEASTMODE.....what now, how about 4000 yards passng/101.1 QB rating, NFL records.

You're a funny little man.

[DAF86]

That's including all the points Vinatieri and the defense put up. I was only talking about the offense's production.

Fivehead chokedPERIOD as usual. The rest of the team just stepped up and carried his ass. As Dale says: "he's a loser in the winners' circle; it happens."

"The pts Vinatieri put up" :lol I guess Adam was the one making the passes and getting the carries to get into field goal position :lol

Under that reasoning, I would like to know how many pts per game Brady put up on his first couple of championships.

[Avante]

That's including all the points Vinatieri and the defense put up. I was only talking about the offense's production.

Fivehead chokedPERIOD as usual. The rest of the team just stepped up and carried his ass. As Dale says: "he's a loser in the winners' circle; it happens."

Just how fucking stupid are you little guy? Do you know anything at all about the NFL?

[DAF86]

Just checked, under Clipper Nation's reasoning, in 2001 Brady put up a laughable 4.6 pts per game. I knew it was going to be bad but I never thought it was going to be this bad, damn. :lmao

[DAF86]

Seriously though, is that the least a QB ever had to do to win a championship? :lol

[DAF86]

In 2003, Brady and his offense put up 14 ppg. Still less than the 16.3 Clipper Nation laughs about.

[Avante]

Just checked, under Clipper Nation (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=28500)'s reasoning, in 2001 Brady put up a laughable 4.6 pts per game. I knew it was going to be bad but I never thought it was going to be this bad, damn. :lmao

Clipper Nation is so far gone he thinks Derek Anderson is better than Cam Newton and Russell Wilson needs a RB.

[DAF86]

Imagine Manning with the Patriots. The NFL would have finally gotten its undisputed GOAT.

[Avante]

Imagine Manning with the Patriots. The NFL would have finally gotten its undisputed GOAT.

The bottom line is that Peyton, Brady, Favre, Marino, Montana, Big Ben, Brees, Warren Moon, Otto Graham, Johnny Unitas are/were fantastic QB's, amazing. Then we have little punk ass kids in hiding on the internet acting fucking retarded like this Clipper Nation punk. And it's sad to have to watch the stupidity. No clue at all about the actual game.

Manning on the Pats all these years would have done what Brady has done.

[DAF86]

Manning on the Pats all these years would have done what Brady has done.

Probably more, tbh. Specially in the earlier years.

[Clipper Nation]

Just checked, under Clipper Nation (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=28500)'s reasoning, in 2001 Brady put up a laughable 4.6 pts per game. I knew it was going to be bad but I never thought it was going to be this bad, damn. :lmao
It's pretty well-known that Brady was a game manager at that point in his career. It wasn't until 2006ish that he became a truly elite franchise guy in earnest.

Peyton stans' only defense for their boy's failures is to bring up Brady. It's like how Kirby stans obsess over LeBron and Duncan instead of owning up to how overrated their favorite player is.

[Clipper Nation]

Imagine Manning with the Patriots. The NFL would have finally gotten its undisputed GOAT.
He was racking up one-and-dones and playoff meltdowns with stacked teams in Indy and Denver, don't see how it would be any different in New England.

[Clipper Nation]

"The pts Vinatieri put up" :lol I guess Adam was the one making the passes and getting the carries to get into field goal position :lol

Under that reasoning, I would like to know how many pts per game Brady put up on his first couple of championships.
Funny how Peyton stans credit Vinatieri for Brady's first three rings, but don't want the same logic to apply to Fivehead's ring. Vinatieri pretty much won the Colts a playoff game by himself that year against the Ravens :lol

[HI-FI]

Funny how Peyton stans credit Vinatieri for Brady's first three rings, but don't want the same logic to apply to Fivehead's ring. Vinatieri pretty much won the Colts a playoff game by himself that year against the Ravens :lol
Such a retarded alt. :lol

ive always given Vinaitieri credit. Brady needed him for three and Manning needed him for one, especially against the Ravens in '06. That game belongs on Vinaitieri's highlight reel as much as what he did for Brady.

Even in '06, Manning was and is still the only qb to get past the top 3 defenses for a SB ring, so of course his stats wouldn't look great.

[Avante]

It's pretty well-known that Brady was a game manager at that point in his career. It wasn't until 2006ish that he became a truly elite franchise guy in earnest.

Peyton stans' only defense for their boy's failures is to bring up Brady. It's like how Kirby stans obsess over LeBron and Duncan instead of owning up to how overrated their favorite player is.

You really do need to do your homework amigo, ok?

Look at Brady's 2005 season ok rookie, it was far better thsn his 2006, ok?


Sheesh!!!!!!!

[Avante]

Funny how Peyton stans credit Vinatieri for Brady's first three rings, but don't want the same logic to apply to Fivehead's ring. Vinatieri pretty much won the Colts a playoff game by himself that year against the Ravens :lol

The sad thing is you're serious about all that stupidity, wow~~~~~~

[Clipper Nation]

Such a retarded alt. :lol

ive always given Vinaitieri credit. Brady needed him for three and Manning needed him for one, especially against the Ravens in '06. That game belongs on Vinaitieri's highlight reel as much as what he did for Brady.

Even in '06, Manning was and is still the only qb to get past the top 3 defenses for a SB ring, so of course his stats wouldn't look great.
I'm neither retarded nor an alt. Fivehead was carriedPERIOD

[MultiTroll]

He was racking up one-and-dones and playoff meltdowns with stacked teams in Indy and Denver, don't see how it would be any different in New England.
You can't seriously put the db's meltdown vs the Ravens on Fivehead.
That game was won.
I don't care what Five did/did not do in OT.
Game was won in regulation.
A Bellicheat db simply would not happen.

[MultiTroll]

Of course the Patriots playoff record before and after Cameragate is purely coincidental.

[Raven]

i'm guessing 0

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Yes but Their offense matched up horribly against our defense.
I could see a very low scoring game

[Thebesteva]

:lol at framing that run as Fivehead merely "not being let down by" his defense.

He threw only 3 touchdowns to 7 interceptions while putting up an anemic 16.3 points per game in the postseason that year. He was dragged kicking and screaming by the defense that yearPERIOD

Yeah he was...not gonna lie its going to take a miracle to win the SB. I'm not really huge on I wanna see Manning win 1 last time, he will always be the guy that kicked the shit out of my Jake Plummer Broncos back to back years. I just want the Broncos to win this year and if that means 5head gets a ring so be it.

[DAF86]

It's pretty well-known that Brady was a game manager at that point in his career. It wasn't until 2006ish that he became a truly elite franchise guy in earnest.

Peyton stans' only defense for their boy's failures is to bring up Brady. It's like how Kirby stans obsess over LeBron and Duncan instead of owning up to how overrated their favorite player is.

I'm not a Manning fan, tbh. In fact I used to root against him and in favour of Brady and the Patriots. But seeing with the years how much undeserved shit he got made me switch sides.

[DAF86]

He was racking up one-and-dones and playoff meltdowns with stacked teams in Indy and Denver, don't see how it would be any different in New England.

All he would have needed to do is manufacture 4.6 pts per game to win rings. I think he could have pulled that off, tbh. :lol

[Clipper Nation]

You can't seriously put the db's meltdown vs the Ravens on Fivehead.
That game was won.
I don't care what Five did/did not do in OT.
Game was won in regulation.
A Bellicheat db simply would not happen.
Lame excuse. The bad luck of Moore getting torched was more than evened out by Denver getting not one but two special teams return TDs in the same game. Even after the Moore play, Fivehead still had a chance to shake it off and rally his team to the win in OT, much like Arizona did this year after Rodgers' Hail Mary. Instead, he did this:

http://i.imgur.com/efFPHtO.jpg

Peyton Manning is the biggest choke artist in the history of the NFL. Even if his defense manages to drag his sorry ass to another role-player ring this year just like the Colts' defense did in '06, it still doesn't change the fact that he's the Karl Malone of football.

[Clipper Nation]

All he would have needed to do is manufacture 4.6 pts per game to win rings. I think he could have pulled that off, tbh. :lol
Fivehead is too much of a control freak to ever accept the game manager role that Brady had early on in his career. He either would have gotten Belichick fired and replaced by a yes-man or he would have been shipped out of town.

[MultiTroll]

luck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJFOBI1cZaM