Kawhi and switching

[kobyz]

There is somthing autistic about him when it's comes to that part of defense, i think he's the worst player in the league at knowing when to switch and not to switch and how, it cost the spurs somthing like 5-10 points every game...
http://youtu.be/r1WLr3TQANA the mistake in that play cost us the game, but there are a lot more mistakes with him...

[SupremeGuy]

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[TheDoctor]

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[RD2191]

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[Spur|n|Austin]

Wasn't OP the one on suicide watch for the emo threads?

[Brazil]

:lol dat was indeed an horrible play to be fair with OP

[spursistan]

pity post..

[kobyz]

Why spurs coaching stuff and players developers not getting down to those specifics and work with him on this?

[Kawhitstorm]

Why spurs coaching stuff and players developers not getting down to those specifics and work with him on this?

Pop is the one that calls the switches:lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

:pctoss

[SAGirl]

:lol dat was indeed an horrible play to be fair with OP
I agree. It also shows he doesn't communicate if he's going to switch.

[Brazil]

I agree. It also shows he doesn't communicate if he's going to switch.

OP take with 5-10 points per game is obviously trash but yes thats something kawhi must pay attention to overall

[itzsoweezee]

Every single team switches in that scenario. LMA fucked up, not Kawhi. Do you people even watch basketball?

[itzsoweezee]

:lol dat was indeed an horrible play to be fair with OP

^^^ Player fan with the stupid take, as always.

[SAGirl]

Every single team switches in that scenario. LMA fucked up, not Kawhi. Do you people even watch basketball?
you have to communicate if you are switching regardless. You can't assume someone will and it was up to Kawhi DPYO and longer in the team to call it to LMA. Can't give him a pass on taht one sorry.

[itzsoweezee]

you have to communicate if you are switching regardless. You can't assume someone will and it was up to Kawhi DPYO and longer in the team to call it to LMA. Can't give him a pass on taht one sorry.

Uh, no. You're wrong. With two seconds left and the game on the line, every player is told to switch on every screen. This is precisely to avoid any fuck ups due to a lack of communication or misunderstanding. LMA fucked up, he should have switched. Oh well.

[loveforthegame]

Makes you wonder what Pop sees in Leonard.

According to ST, Leonard makes many mistakes costing the Spurs many points and games even. He's not playing good defense. Sucks on offense. Doesn't have it in him to be a leader on the court. Autistic and all the jokes that go with that.

[GSH]

There is somthing autistic about him when it's comes to that part of defense, i think he's the worst player in the league at knowing when to switch and not to switch and how


"Kawhi got DPOY? How did he get DPOY?"

[Mnky]

you have to communicate if you are switching regardless. You can't assume someone will and it was up to Kawhi DPYO and longer in the team to call it to LMA. Can't give him a pass on taht one sorry.

Kawhi does do this often. He's got the green light to do whatever the beck he wants. Sometimes it turns into great plays, other times it's a huge breakdown. With time I'm sure he will get better at making that decision. The great passing teams will tear us up with that free lancing

[Dex]

:lmao at some internet troll criticizing the defense of the reigning, and soon to be two-time, DPOY.

[Dex]

"Kawhi got DPOY? How did he get DPOY?"

Fuckin' Andersons.

[dabom]

Makes you wonder what Pop sees in Leonard.

According to ST, Leonard makes many mistakes costing the Spurs many points and games even. He's not playing good defense. Sucks on offense. Doesn't have it in him to be a leader on the court. Autistic and all the jokes that go with that.

:lol tears man. :lol

[Brazil]

^^^ Player fan with the stupid take, as always.

player hater with the dumb ass comment, as always... :lol

[100%duncan]

There is somthing autistic about him

Takes one to know one

[Wildcat67]

OP: "This thing literally costs us 5-10 points a game"

Can only find one example from 3 months ago.

[313]

:lmao at some internet troll criticizing the defense of the reigning, and soon to be two-time, DPOY.
:lmao Green has that locked up

[loveforthegame]

Why does Pop let Leonard get away with all these switches? Especially costing the Spurs so many points and games?

[YGWHI]

:lmao Green has that locked up

At half season? Good for him! But I'd wait until April, Green had that lockep up last season but...

[YGWHI]

Kawhi does do this often. He's got the green light to do whatever the beck he wants. Sometimes it turns into great plays, other times it's a huge breakdown. With time I'm sure he will get better at making that decision. The great passing teams will tear us up with that free lancing

You really think a Spurs player has the green light to do whatever he wants on defense? On defense on a Pop's team?? Pop wants the switches, he calls it! That's quite clear after the game against Cavs.

[YGWHI]

Do you people even watch basketball
Who knows. At least they don't watch the Spurs and Pop coaching very often.


Uh, no. You're wrong. With two seconds left and the game on the line, every player is told to switch on every screen. This is precisely to avoid any fuck ups due to a lack of communication or misunderstanding. LMA fucked up, he should have switched. Oh well.
It's so funny that someone can think they should communicate when they already know it because Pop is who calls the play not only in the game but in every practice.

[still.focused]

Kawhi does freelance & I love it.
A large majority of his big plays come of it and sometimes he misses
But this was a LMA gaff
Late game situations are ALWAYS switches and gone over in the huddles
THATS the communication
Theres a particular Greatest Spur Ever, Best PF of All-Time, 1s ballot HOFer missing from our line up
Reason: Hes not fast enough to.........SWITCH on screens

[Brazil]

Who knows. At least they don't watch the Spurs and Pop coaching very often.


It's so funny that someone can think they should communicate when they already know it because Pop is who calls the play not only in the game but in every practice.

:lol The play involving both LMA and Kawhi is terrible... Shit happens all the time during the games, that's why you see Tim leading defense and being vocale about it... so saying any player does not need to communicate or should not communicate because they already know is dumb especially when you talk about a new guy

Kawhi is leading the defense in particular when Tim is on the bench and yes he has to communicate, help his teammate, compensate mistakes thats what Tim did his whole career.

[YGWHI]

:lol The play involving both LMA and Kawhi is terrible... Shit happens all the time during the games, that's why you see Tim leading defense and being vocale about it... so saying any player does not need to communicate or should not communicate because they already know is dumb especially when you talk about a new guy

Kawhi is leading the defense in particular when Tim is on the bench and yes he has to communicate, help his teammate, compensate mistakes thats what Tim did his whole career.

No. With 4 seconds remaining on the clock? Everyone knows what have to do/what teammates will do.

They defend w/o time on the clock in practice to know they will switch...If LMA slept in that play it's not Kawhi's fault.

[YGWHI]

I mean, being vocal and helping teammates on defense during games it's a great thing, a real leader should do it. But without time on the clock every Spur on the court knows the team-play.

[Chinook]

To the debate in this thread, Kawhi DID actually communicate that switch. What do you think the push meant? He was telling LMA to go, which he did, albeit a second too late. However, it was a little unclear if that's what Pop wanted. Green and LMA didn't switch on the first screen. It's completely understandable why the Spurs would have not wanted to leave Gortat open when they only need a two to win. The automatic switching rule usually only refers to outside shots. You don't want to trade a small on the big inside the paint.

If you want to see Kawhi play a PnR poorly, or at least have bad chemistry with his co-defender, examples are out there.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxlFYTNdhZk

Pretty much every Durant/Westbrook PnR results in miscommunication and one of those two guys running free. Subjectively, I think Kawhi can or could get so locked into his man that he's disinclined to switch off sometimes.

[YGWHI]

To the debate in this thread, Kawhi DID actually communicate that switch. What do you think the push meant? He was telling LMA to go, which he did, albeit a second too late.

The push meant that LMA forgot it and Kawhi had to push him to go

[Brazil]

No. With 4 seconds remaining on the clock? Everyone knows what have to do/what teammates will do.

They defend w/o time on the clock in practice to know they will switch...If LMA slept in that play it's not Kawhi's fault.

Not everybody knows what to do/will do especially in a team where a lot of players are new. In that play the switch per say was not a good idea. OP point is pretty blank and not backed up, the fact LMA is the only guy to blame or not is arguable, at the end of the day, a dude was let wide open, Kawhi was defending nobody and caught on a no man's land and we lost the game on a terrible defense execution.

For the rest I'm sorry but with 4 sec to go you communicate... Pop has a great system but also has great player capable to adapt and change system when needed..

[YGWHI]

Pop has a great system but also has great player capable to adapt and change system when needed..

Adapt? Sure. Change? No. We don't have many LeBron's on the team who can change a designed play to run or to defend in the last seconds of a game.

[YGWHI]

In that play the switch per say was not a good idea
Like it wasn't a good idea to play zone against the Cavs in the whole 3rd quarter switching Patty/Manu on Lebron when this team has one of the best LBJ one-on-one defenders in Kawhi.

But we can't negate the fact that Pop wanted it, like in Washington.

[Brazil]

The push meant that LMA forgot it and Kawhi had to push him to go

I disagree, I don't think LMA forgot to go I think it is the contrary, as Chinook pointed out I doubt Pop wanted them to switch on dat one. LMA was staying with his man and that was the right move in this particular situation.

[Brazil]

Adapt? Sure. Change? No. We don't have many LeBron's on the team who can change a designed play to run or to defend in the last seconds of a game.

:lol for a starter Manu is doing it all the time and Pop is fine with it

[Brazil]

Like it wasn't a good idea to play zone against the Cavs in the whole 3rd quarter switching Patty/Manu on Lebron when this team has one of the best LBJ one-on-one defenders in Kawhi.

But we can't negate the fact that Pop wanted it, like in Washington.

well except here I don't think Pop wanted dat switch

[YGWHI]

I disagree, I don't think LMA forgot to go I think it is the contrary, as Chinook pointed out I doubt Pop wanted them to switch on dat one. LMA was staying with his man and that was the right move in this particular situation.

Well, I disagree too. It wasn't the first time they switching in those situations. Like others said that didn't work last season because Tim/Splitter/Bynes weren't mobile enough, with LMA it seemed a good idea on paper.

[YGWHI]

:lol for a starter Manu is doing it all the time and Pop is fine with it

I wouldn't say that Manu has the green light to change a play to close a game now.

He can adapt to the defense but if Pop calls a play in playoffs, sadly, Manu won't change it. I'd have preferred that Manu to call the last play against the Clips in game 7. Eveything would have been better than a lob against Lob City.

[Brazil]

Well, I disagree too. It wasn't the first time they switching in those situations. Like others said that didn't work last season because Tim/Splitter/Bynes weren't mobile enough, with LMA it seemed a good idea on paper.

let's agree to disagree then... it's all good. For me the play / mistake is quite obvious but I can see where you come from so yeah good talk

[Brazil]

I wouldn't say that Manu has the green light to change a play to close a game now.

He can adapt to the defense but if Pop calls a play in playoffs, sadly, Manu won't change it. I'd have preferred that Manu to call the last play against the Clips in game 7. Eveything would have been better than a lob against Lob City.

the whole serie was a mess tbh

[Mnky]

You really think a Spurs player has the green light to do whatever he wants on defense? On defense on a Pop's team?? Pop wants the switches, he calls it! That's quite clear after the game against Cavs.

Kawhi breaks out of system. If he is iso on a guy, and gets switched, he sometimes just decides to leave the switch man and come double from the top of the key instead if allowing the interior help defense to take that assist. Like you said, that doesn't happen in POps system which makes it painfully obvious when he does do it. Being DPOY and pushing Kawhi to take over, I'm sure it has to do with Pop building up his confidence. He definitely has the okay though, as Pop has never allowed so many pulled assignments in all the years I've seen the spurs play. If it wasn't allowed, and it was just a mistake, he would have put a stop to it by now.

Pop likes his high screen man to chase over the screen and contest the shot. Chase off the three and force the contested 2. He does call switches, and sometimes you can't help but switch but I'm not sure where people are getting that that is the staple of the defense.

[SAGirl]

Kawhi breaks out of system. If he is iso on a guy, and gets switched, he sometimes just decides to leave the switch man and come double from the top of the key instead if allowing the interior help defense to take that assist. Like you said, that doesn't happen in POps system which makes it painfully obvious when he does do it. Being DPOY and pushing Kawhi to take over, I'm sure it has to do with Pop building up his confidence. He definitely has the okay though, as Pop has never allowed so many pulled assignments in all the years I've seen the spurs play. If it wasn't allowed, and it was just a mistake, he would have put a stop to it by now.

Pop likes his high screen man to chase over the screen and contest the shot. Chase off the three and force the contested 2. He does call switches, and sometimes you can't help but switch but I'm not sure where people are getting that that is the staple of the defense.
Specially earlier in the season I saw him gamble a lot on defense. It was very noticeable like you mention. It could be part of Pop's experimenting.... Playoffs could be a different scenario where you want to limit the gambles.