Kareem on Dirk: "One trick pony"

[JohnnyMax]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIRr6C62Hzk&t=74m22s

[ambchang]

The more important part is that even Kareem, a laker legend, said Duncan had the better career.

And he said another obvious thing, if dirk can do more better, he's be ranked higher. It's also true for every other player who ever played.

[Reck]

Kareem dropping nukes on Kobe vs Duncan. Mah nigga. :lol

[RsxPiimp]

The more important part is that even Kareem, a laker legend, said Duncan had the better career. .

It's really not that important. It doesn't add money in your bank account or inches to your dick :lol

[ambchang]

It's really not that important. It doesn't add money in your bank account or inches to your dick :lol

Only one emoticon? Your game is slipping.

And no, it is important to the conversation on ST. Solving world hunger does neither of your two criteria you defined as important, either, but it is obvious it is important to many people. You just have to use emoticons before you realize that.

[Buddy Mignon]

Kareems answer is somewhat dubious. We say that Russell had a better career than Wilt because he won more titles. We say Wilt was a better player due to his better stats. One could conclude the same with Kobe and Jim except Kobe has as many titles as Jim... he has more Finals appearances than Jim. He is higher up on all the all-time lists in stats. And Kobe dominated Jim head to head. What we should take from that interview according to Kareem is, Kobe's teams were more dominant than Jims even though Kobe played with less talent.

[Buddy Mignon]

Oh... and while Kobe just dropped 38 to lead his team to a victory, Jim is at home sucking his own cock nursing a bum knee.

[UZER]

Oh... and while Kobe just dropped 38 to lead his team to a victory, Jim is at home sucking his own cock nursing a bum knee.

Quick question, are the Lakers making the playoffs this year?

[Buddy Mignon]

Quick question, are the Lakers making the playoffs this year?

We have a better chance at making the playoffs than you do winning the Finals.

[Splits]

We have a better chance at making the playoffs than you do winning the Finals.

Not as long as you believe in this thing called math

[Mikeanaro]

:lmao Lolkers

On the other hand Kareem is right about Dirk, there is no reason to get salty.

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:lmao Lolkers

On the other hand Kareem is right about Dirk, there is no reason to get salty.

Bend over. I'll make ya fuckin' salty.

[BatManu20]

Oh... and while Kobe just dropped 38 to lead his team to a victory, Jim is at home sucking his own cock nursing a bum knee.

Dropping 38 against one of the worst teams in the league at home, while simultaneously "leading" his own team that's probably the worst in the entire league. Oh, and he's also single-handedly run thee "premier franchise" in the NBA into the lottery multiple seasons now with his selfish contract. Legendary stuff :cry

[UZER]

We have a better chance at making the playoffs than you do winning the Finals.

Was that a yes or no? Your threads about making the playoffs were definite. Now it's better chance? :lol

[BatManu20]

Kareems answer is somewhat dubious. We say that Russell had a better career than Wilt because he won more titles. We say Wilt was a better player due to his better stats. One could conclude the same with Kobe and Jim except Kobe has as many titles as Jim... he has more Finals appearances than Jim. He is higher up on all the all-time lists in stats. And Kobe dominated Jim head to head. What we should take from that interview according to Kareem is, Kobe's teams were more dominant than Jims even though Kobe played with less talent.

Even kobe fans ride Shaq's coattails in the Duncan vs Kobe argument. Amazing.

[hater]

:lol disagree

Danny green is a one trick pony tbh

Dirk at least can shoot while contested :lmao

[Mikeanaro]

Bend over. I'll make ya fuckin' salty.

:lmao

[Kawhitstorm]

Dork not invited to eat at the big boy's table:lmao

[RsxPiimp]

it is important to the conversation on ST.

why though, seriously..

[Buddy Mignon]

Dork not invited to eat at the big boy's table:lmao

The big boys table defend their shit.

Kareem
Magic
Russell
Thomas
Jordan
Hakeem
Shaq
Kobe
James

Everyone else has to go to the kiddie table.

[DMC]

"I think affirmative action has done a lot of good, especially for minorities and women" -Kareem

"Kobe took a huge load, but that's how he wanted it" -Kareem

[DMC]

:lol disagree

Danny green is a one trick pony tbh

Dirk at least can shoot while contested :lmao

That's still one trick.

[Buddy Mignon]

"I think affirmative action has done a lot of good, especially for minorities and women" -Kareem

"Kobe took a huge load, but that's how he wanted it" -Kareem


I paused there. Kobe didn't want to play with a team cancer like Shaq.

[DMC]

I paused there. Kobe didn't want to play with a team cancer like Shaq.
Without Shaq Kobe is light 3.

[Splits]

I paused there. Kobe didn't want to play with a team cancer like Shaq.

Can I get an $800 hooker plus a 8-ball of blow instead of a $1k slut?

[Frank Dux]

The big boys table defend their shit.

And about to 4-peat not making the playoffs. lol

[Kawhitstorm]

The big boys table defend their shit.



Kobrick/ LeChoke ate their own shyt in the Finals:lmao

[Buddy Mignon]

Can I get an $800 hooker plus a 8-ball of blow instead of a $1k slut?

Im not a drug dealer.

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Without Shaq Kobe is light 3.

Kobe: 2

Daddy: 1

[DMC]

Can I get an $800 hooker plus a 8-ball of blow instead of a $1k slut?
Talk to Lamar.

[DMC]

Kobe: 2

Daddy: 1

Without either..

Duncan 5

[Reck]

why though, seriously..

For the same reason some of you guys find anything Duncan related important? Even the non-stories..

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For the same reason some of you guys find anything Duncan related important? Even the non-stories..

The watershed moment twixt us was when Amy outed Tim during the Finals. Then we had a foothold, an equalization had occurred. Before that we didn't have shit on Duncan, had a little on Neal that we we hanging onto like a rabid dog, but, the divorce made us. Came out of left field, almost like a gd mirage it was. I could not believe it. I asked Girl to pinch me,,,"Hard."

"No, not tonight, Dale, I'm tired."

[Reck]

The watershed moment twixt us was when Amy outed Tim during the Finals. Then we had a foothold, an equalization had occurred. Before that we didn't have shit on Duncan, had a little on Neal that we we hanging onto like a rabid dog, but, the divorce made us. Came out of left field, almost like a gd mirage it was. I could not believe it. I asked Girl to pinch me,,,"Hard."

"No, not tonight, Dale, I'm tired."

We're on speaking terms now? :wow

I'm off the list. Solly cholly

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We're on speaking terms now? :wow

I'm off the list. Solly cholly

Yes, I emptied the Cornfield, save Mori.

[ambchang]

Kareems answer is somewhat dubious. We say that Russell had a better career than Wilt because he won more titles. We say Wilt was a better player due to his better stats. One could conclude the same with Kobe and Jim except Kobe has as many titles as Jim... he has more Finals appearances than Jim. He is higher up on all the all-time lists in stats. And Kobe dominated Jim head to head. What we should take from that interview according to Kareem is, Kobe's teams were more dominant than Jims even though Kobe played with less talent.

Now throw Kareem under the bus and call him an idiot.

[ambchang]

why though, seriously..

:lmao :lmao :lmao

[Killakobe81]

The more important part is that even Kareem, a laker legend, said Duncan had the better career.

And he said another obvious thing, if dirk can do more better, he's be ranked higher. It's also true for every other player who ever played.

I agree ...but we already had this conversation.

[ambchang]

I agree ...but we already had this conversation.

I never had that conversation with Kareem though.

[Killakobe81]

I never had that conversation with Kareem though.

Duncan is the most Kareem like big tbh. Cerebral introverts. Kareem was more dominant though but Duncan did more with less. no shock he would favor a middle class man's version of himself Jordan does the same thing with Kobe ...

[Black&Silver]

Duncan is the most Kareem like big tbh. Cerebral introverts. Kareem was more dominant though but Duncan did more with less. no shock he would favor a middle class man's version of himself Jordan does the same thing with Kobe ...

lol.

im loling at the part where you said Duncan a middle class version of Kareem. Duncan has five rings as the face of the franchise Kareem was not the face of showtime, it was magic so FUCK OFF NOW. I can actually argue for Duncan's case over Kareem on the all time list.

[Killakobe81]

lol.

im loling at the part where you said Duncan a middle class version of Kareem. Duncan has five rings as the face of the franchise Kareem was not the face of showtime, it was magic so FUCK OFF NOW. I can actually argue for Duncan's case over Kareem on the all time list.

What the fuck does being the face have to do with being more dominant?:lol
Kareem has more rings, mvps he won on every level and was a dominant center in one of the best eras for bigs. just stop it. Plus he won RINGS WITH 3 DIFFERENT COACHES ...

[Arcadian]

:lmao That's terribly ironic coming from a guy who had one shot in his arsenal... Kareem is the ultimate one-trick pony.

[Kawhitstorm]

:lmao That's terribly ironic coming from a guy who had one shot in his arsenal... Kareem is the ultimate one-trick pony.

Kareem was a one trick pony on offense (w/ the most unstoppable shot in the game) but there are more things to the game than scoring....:wakeup

[Arcadian]

Kareem was a one trick pony on offense (w/ the most unstoppable shot in the game) but there are more things to the game than scoring....:wakeup

Yeah, but still. Dirk is multi-dimensional on offense. He has deep range, also an unstoppable shot (the one-legged fadeaway), and even developed a post game in his prime. Kareem didn't need more than one shot in the 70s and 80s, so we'll never know how he would've adapted in the modern game.

[Kawhitstorm]

Yeah, but still. Dirk is multi-dimensional on offense. He has deep range, also an unstoppable shot (the one-legged fadeaway), and even developed a post game in his prime. Kareem didn't need more than one shot in the 70s and 80s, so we'll never know how he would've adapted in the modern game.

It has nothing to do w/ the time period, Al Jefferson's jump hook is automatic when he has deep position. Dirk meanwhile couldn't do shyt against Stephen Jackson.:lol

[Arcadian]

It has nothing to do w/ the time period, Al Jefferson's jump hook is automatic when he has deep position. Dirk meanwhile couldn't do shyt against Stephen Jackson.:lol

The PF/C positions changed a lot in the last 20 years. Dirk encapsulates the "new age big man" for all its strengths and drawbacks. But he carried a team to a title in 2011, and I gained a lot of respect for him that year. He became a well-rounded player in his prime, doing whatever was needed to win.


Plus he won RINGS WITH 3 DIFFERENT COACHES ...

How does that help his case? It's arbitrary because players don't control how many coaches they have...unless they get their coach fired like Lebron.

[Down Under]

To say he's a one trick pony and not a dominant player when he could take slower guys off the dribble at will and post up smaller wings that were on him is ridiculous.

[Sean Cagney]

The big boys table defend their shit.

Kareem
Magic
Russell
Thomas
Jordan
Hakeem
Shaq
Kobe
James

Everyone else has to go to the kiddie table.
Duncan has more rings than half that list or is tied with a few.

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Duncan has more rings than half that list or is tied with a few.

Luva is right though, Sean,,,Duncan has proven incapable of defending his shit.

[Killakobe81]

:lmao That's terribly ironic coming from a guy who had one shot in his arsenal... Kareem is the ultimate one-trick pony.

You niccas know nothing if yiu think the sky hook is all Kareem had. He was a better fefender, passer and rebounder than Dirk and had more rhan a hook shot on offense.
Dirk is not a one trick pony he was also a good rebounder

[ambchang]

Duncan is the most Kareem like big tbh. Cerebral introverts. Kareem was more dominant though but Duncan did more with less. no shock he would favor a middle class man's version of himself Jordan does the same thing with Kobe ...

Duncan is more Russell than Kareem. Even more bird than Kareem. Funny how the Celtics kept whining than he should have been drafted by them.

Jordan's preference has always been backhanded. It's odd nobody ever really read between the lines.

[ambchang]

Dirk responds.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14712948/dirk-nowitzki-dallas-mavericks-disagrees-kareem-abdul-jabbar-opinion-a-one-trick-pony

[DMC]

Kareem means Dirk would be in the top few if he had more facets to his game. As good as his shot is/was, Dirk wasn't a point of concern at the other end for the opponent. Guys coming into the league need to hear that. They need to hear a legend say that another legend could have been better if he played defense. Kareem acknowledged the scoring, and Dirk is from the "scoring is dominant" generation that still exits today. Leonard is a throwback, a capable scorer with the best defense in the league.

[DMC]

Duncan is more Russell than Kareem. Even more bird than Kareem. Funny how the Celtics kept whining than he should have been drafted by them.

Jordan's preference has always been backhanded. It's odd nobody ever really read between the lines.

Everything Mike does is about Mike. He's his own ambassador. Propping up Kobe is propping up someone who was compared to you "hey he looks a bit like me so he's my favorite". Duncan's position and game was nothing like Mike's so there obviously was no comparison made. Kobe does the same thing. He props Westbrook who's a ball hog and chucker in the mold of Kobe himself.

[ambchang]

Everything Mike does is about Mike. He's his own ambassador. Propping up Kobe is propping up someone who was compared to you "hey he looks a bit like me so he's my favorite". Duncan's position and game was nothing like Mike's so there obviously was no comparison made. Kobe does the same thing. He props Westbrook who's a ball hog and chucker in the mold of Kobe himself.

Exactly. But Kobe fanbois are too blinded to care.

It's ok Mike said Kobe is 2nd best, cuz Kobe has been 2nd his entire life anyways (except bricks)

[RsxPiimp]

Duncan is more Russell than Kareem. Even more bird than Kareem. Funny how the Celtics kept whining than he should have been drafted by them.

Jordan's preference has always been backhanded. It's odd nobody ever really read between the lines.

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Killakobe81]

Duncan is more Russell than Kareem. Even more bird than Kareem. Funny how the Celtics kept whining than he should have been drafted by them.

Jordan's preference has always been backhanded. It's odd nobody ever really read between the lines.

Huh? dont agree, but don't care enough to argue ...

[buttsR4rebounding]

We have a better chance at making the playoffs than you do winning the Finals.

Even if you put the chances of the Spurs winning the title at 10% it is a hell of a lot higher than the <1% chance of the Lakers making the playoffs (barring a season-ending injury to Kobe, of course)

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Duncan is more Russell than Kareem. Even more bird than Kareem. Funny how the Celtics kept whining than he should have been drafted by them.

Jordan's preference has always been backhanded. It's odd nobody ever really read between the lines.

A rare, cogent point by amb.

Both have that same cold heart, an unfeeling soul that's never warmed. Both nurtured by men who held/hold on to every trespass ever made upon them & theirs. Both portend to not tote up ciphers, examine box scores and pick apart NBA Guides/Internet, but, it's a lie.

[Leetonidas]

Kareems answer is somewhat dubious. We say that Russell had a better career than Wilt because he won more titles. We say Wilt was a better player due to his better stats. One could conclude the same with Kobe and Jim except Kobe has as many titles as Jim... he has more Finals appearances than Jim. He is higher up on all the all-time lists in stats. And Kobe dominated Jim head to head. What we should take from that interview according to Kareem is, Kobe's teams were more dominant than Jims even though Kobe played with less talent.

except Tim has more fmvps and MVPs so your argument is shit

[Leetonidas]

also lol at Kareem talking shit about Dirk when he wasnt known as a defensive player except being tall and he had to piggy back big O and magic to titles. lol getting your shit pushed in by old ass wilt

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also lol at Kareem talking shit about Dirk when he wasnt known as a defensive player except being tall and he had to piggy back big O and magic to titles. lol getting your shit pushed in by old ass wilt

- "I do believe you're talking out your ass there, Red."

- "Floyd" - 'The Shawshank Redemption"

[Joseph Kony]

- "I do believe you're talking out your ass there, Red."

- "Floyd" - 'The Shawshank Redemption"
not known as =/= sucks ass

[ambchang]

:lmao:lmao:lmao

You really have an issue. I feel for you, but I am no social worker, so I can't help you with it.


Huh? dont agree, but don't care enough to argue ...

Which part? Duncan more Bird/Russell than Kareem? Or Jordan is a self-centred sociopath?

[ambchang]

A rare, cogent point by amb.

Both have that same cold heart, an unfeeling soul that's never warmed. Both nurtured by men who held/hold on to every trespass ever made upon them & theirs. Both portend to not tote up ciphers, examine box scores and pick apart NBA Guides/Internet, but, it's a lie.

However bad Russell was at that, Kareem was 10x worse.

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However bad Russell was at that, Kareem was 10x worse.

Russell was a negroe man.

Kareem was Malcolm X.

[Kawhitstorm]

He became a well-rounded player in his prime, doing whatever was needed to win.


Became well-rounded b/c he was hiding behind Tyson Chandler/Marion/Kidd on defense :lol & hasn't won a playoff series since Tyson Chandler left town in 2011 (only Finals MVP in NBA history to have suffered that fate without retiring) b/c teams tore up the Mavs in the paint during their last 3 postseason series:
-2012: Harden murdered Dirk on PnRs
-2013: Missed the postseason
-2014: Tiago looked like Amare while being guarded by Dirk
-2015: Josh Smith looked like LeBron while being guarded by Dirk (washed up Tyson Chandler was busy dealing w/ Dwight)

Oh yeah, 2010 (pre-Chandler): Got upset by the 7th seed Spurs w/ George Hill starting for Porker.:lol

Conclusion: Dirk hasn't won shyt without PRIME Chandler in the past decade (besides 2011, he hasn't gotten out of the 2nd rd since 2006).

[ambchang]

Russell was a negroe man.

Kareem was Malcolm X.


Russell actually fought for rights, Kareem was just aloof.

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Russell actually fought for rights, Kareem was just aloof.

Yeah, we found that out in the '90's. I suppose we could believe it.

Kareem seethed as he cooked in the caudron and punished Media by not interviewing from it.

[Killakobe81]

You really have an issue. I feel for you, but I am no social worker, so I can't help you with it.



Which part? Duncan more Bird/Russell than Kareem? Or Jordan is a self-centred sociopath?

Gamewise and demeanor he is more Kareem. He doesnt have Bird's vision nor swagger. I do think Duncan may be the better leader than Kareem and a better scorer than Russell.

[Arcadian]

Became well-rounded b/c he was hiding behind Tyson Chandler/Marion/Kidd on defense

All great players need the right pieces around them to win titles, even Duncan and Lebron and Jordan. I do agree that Dirk isn't as good of a franchise piece as those guys, though, for sure. I also prefer 2-way players.

[Arcadian]

You niccas know nothing if yiu think the sky hook is all Kareem had. He was a better fefender, passer and rebounder than Dirk and had more rhan a hook shot on offense.
Dirk is not a one trick pony he was also a good rebounder

If we did a quantitative analysis of Kareem's shots, what percentage of his shots do you think were sky hooks? I'm betting something like 90%.

You're right that he was a great 2-way player, though. I was just calling him a one-trick pony on offense. But I'm also not shitting on Kareem. I'm a fan of Kareem. Best Laker of all time IMO.

[DMC]

A rare, cogent point by amb.

Both have that same cold heart, an unfeeling soul that's never warmed. Both nurtured by men who held/hold on to every trespass ever made upon them & theirs. Both portend to not tote up ciphers, examine box scores and pick apart NBA Guides/Internet, but, it's a lie.

Both have taken your cookie multiple times.

[Killakobe81]

If we did a quantitative analysis of Kareem's shots, what percentage of his shots do you think were sky hooks? I'm betting something like 90%.

You're right that he was a great 2-way player, though. I was just calling him a one-trick pony on offense. But I'm also not shitting on Kareem. I'm a fan of Kareem. Best Laker of all time IMO.

90% ... seriously?

[Kawhitstorm]

All great players need the right pieces around them to win titles, even Duncan and Lebron and Jordan. I do agree that Dirk isn't as good of a franchise piece as those guys, though, for sure. I also prefer 2-way players.

That has nothing to do w/ your claim about him becoming "well-rounded".

Folks shit on KG for not being able to get out of the 1st rd w/ Wally playing wing-man:lol when in 2003-04 Dirk had Jamison/Walker/Nash & lost in the 1st rd to a Kings team that was led by Bibby (Webber had shattered his knees in 2003 against the Mavs)

[DMC]

90% ... seriously?
I thought that was a bit high but he did go to it quite often as you wish all your players would do what's unstoppable, over and over.

[clambake]

kareem is upset that dirk destroyed the laker franchise.

they've been DOA ever since.

[Killakobe81]

I thought that was a bit high but he did go to it quite often as you wish all your players would do what's unstoppable, over and over.

He used it a ton but 90% is hyperbole

[Arcadian]

That has nothing to do w/ your claim about him becoming "well-rounded".

Folks shit on KG for not being able to get out of the 1st rd w/ Wally playing wing-man:lol when in 2003-04 Dirk had Jamison/Walker/Nash & lost in the 1st rd to a Kings team that was led by Bibby (Webber had shattered his knees in 2003 against the Mavs)

I don't shit on KG. At his peak, he was a truly complete player.

Dirk became more of a complete player in his prime (relative to his previous baseline). All players have strengths and weaknesses and need teammates who complement their skillset. These are not controversial statements.

[Arcadian]

90% ... seriously?

(shrugs) You get my point.

Okay, maybe if we don't count layups and dunks. :lol

[Spurtacular]

The big boys table defend their shit.

Bird
Kareem
Magic
Russell
Thomas
Jordan
Hakeem
Shaq
Kobe
James

Everyone else has to go to the kiddie table.

Fixed. Kobe was a sh** defender; probably not even better than Dirk during the course of a 48 minute game, tbh. Bird should never be excluded unless you've decided to make a worthless list.

:lmao Thomas

And of that modified list, Magic and Kareem were not notably good defenders either.

[ambchang]

Gamewise and demeanor he is more Kareem. He doesnt have Bird's vision nor swagger. I do think Duncan may be the better leader than Kareem and a better scorer than Russell.

Duncan is quiet but not aloof so I don't really see the Kareem parallels. Duncan is just a private person it seems but Kareem just hates everyone. They didn't grow up I the same environment as Kareem's upbringing was in the much more tumultuous 60s and Duncan was just chilling in the islands so it's. It about Duncan being a better guy.

As for game, Kareem was the far more dominant offensive force but Duncan is much better on defense, especially team defense. Duncan was the better passer and teammate, but Kareem is easier to build an offense around.

Duncan obviously didn't have birds vision because not many people do, but Duncan has great vision for a big. Both of them directs offense fantastically as well. They have this ability to dominant the game with skills rather than athleticism.

[BoricuaCJA]

Fixed. Kobe was a sh** defender; probably not even better than Dirk during the course of a 48 minute game, tbh. Bird should never be excluded unless you've decided to make a worthless list.

:lmao Thomas

And of that modified list, Magic and Kareem were not notably good defenders either.
Even though I think Luva is a wanksta and loves to spew bs about his life to make himself better about his life but I'm pretty sure he meant defending their NBA title at least one year, not as defenders.

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^^Your Pop, breaking the protocol he himself installed & instilled in the organization and showering Dirk with praise,,,,akin to DMC on the old man.


tee hee

[TDfan2007]

Dirk was definitely not a one-trick pony on OFFENSE, but I think Kareem was speaking in terms of Dirk's lack of defense and shotblocking.

Either way it was a disrespectful and unnecessary comment, especially when taken in context. All he was asked was if Dirk's fadeaway was comparable to his skyhook in terms of unstoppability :lol Kareem probably got salty at the comparison.

Also, some of you clearly need to watch video on Kareem. He was a solid passer, solid FT shooter, and he had a left hand around the basket as well.

[Kawhitstorm]

Dirk was definitely not a one-trick pony on OFFENSE, but I think Kareem was speaking in terms of Dirk's lack of defense and shotblocking.


Kareem was CLEARLY talking about his all-around game but Dirk stans got their panties in bunches b/c a legend breathed on the Great White Hope. The media is out there stirring the pot by putting words in Kareem's mouth.:lol