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TheSanityAnnex
02-05-2016, 02:17 PM
It’s difficult to say what’s more striking about President Obama’s Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing (AFFH) regulation: its breathtaking radicalism, the refusal of the press to cover it, or its potential political ramifications. The danger AFFH poses to Democrats explains why the press barely mentions it. This lack of curiosity, in turn, explains why the revolutionary nature of the rule has not been properly understood. Ultimately, the regulation amounts to back-door annexation, a way of turning America’s suburbs into tributaries of nearby cities. This has been Obama’s purpose from the start.

In Spreading the Wealth: How Obama Is Robbing the Suburbs to Pay for the Cities, I explain how a young Barack Obama turned against the suburbs and threw in his lot with a group of Alinsky-style community organizers who blamed suburban tax-flight for urban decay. Their bible was Cities Without Suburbs, by former Albuquerque mayor David Rusk. Rusk, who works closely with Obama’s Alinskyite mentors and now advises the Obama administration, initially called on cities to annex their surrounding suburbs. When it became clear that outright annexation was a political non-starter, Rusk and his followers settled on a series of measures designed to achieve de facto annexation over time. The plan has three elements: 1) Inhibit suburban growth, and when possible encourage suburban re-migration to cities. This can be achieved, for example, through regional growth boundaries (as in Portland), or by relative neglect of highway-building and repair in favor of public transportation. 2) Force the urban poor into the suburbs through the imposition of low-income housing quotas. 3) Institute “regional tax-base sharing,” where a state forces upper-middle-class suburbs to transfer tax revenue to nearby cities and less-well-off inner-ring suburbs (as in Minneapolis/St. Paul).

If you press suburbanites into cities, transfer urbanites to the suburbs, and redistribute suburban tax money to cities, you have effectively abolished the suburbs. For all practical purposes, the suburbs would then be co-opted into a single metropolitan region. Advocates of these policy prescriptions call themselves “regionalists.” AFFH goes a long way toward achieving the regionalist program of Obama and his organizing mentors. In significant measure, the rule amounts to a de facto regional annexation of America’s suburbs. To see why, let’s have a look at the rule. AFFH obligates any local jurisdiction that receives HUD funding to conduct a detailed analysis of its housing occupancy by race, ethnicity, national origin, English proficiency, and class (among other categories). Grantees must identify factors (such as zoning laws, public-housing admissions criteria, and “lack of regional collaboration”) that account for any imbalance in living patterns. Localities must also list “community assets” (such as quality schools, transportation hubs, parks, and jobs) and explain any disparities in access to such assets by race, ethnicity, national origin, English proficiency, class, and more. Localities must then develop a plan to remedy these imbalances, subject to approval by HUD.

By itself, this amounts to an extraordinary takeover of America’s cities and towns by the federal government. There is more, however. AFFH obligates grantees to conduct all of these analyses at both the local and regional levels. In other words, it’s not enough for, say, Philadelphia’s “Mainline” Montgomery County suburbs to analyze their own populations by race, ethnicity, and class to determine whether there are any imbalances in where groups live, or in access to schools, parks, transportation, and jobs. Those suburbs are also obligated to compare their own housing situations to the Greater Philadelphia region as a whole. So if some Montgomery County’s suburbs are predominantly upper-middle-class, white, and zoned for single-family housing, while the Philadelphia region as a whole is dotted with concentrations of less-well-off African Americans, Hispanics, or Asians, those suburbs could be obligated to nullify their zoning ordinances and build high-density, low-income housing at their own expense. At that point, those suburbs would have to direct advertising to potential minority occupants in the Greater Philadelphia region. Essentially, this is what HUD has imposed on Westchester County, New York, the most famous dry-run for AFFH. In other words, by obligating all localities receiving HUD funding to compare their demographics to the region as a whole, AFFH effectively nullifies municipal boundaries. Even with no allegation or evidence of intentional discrimination, the mere existence of a demographic imbalance in the region as a whole must be remedied by a given suburb. Suburbs will literally be forced to import population from elsewhere, at their own expense and in violation of their own laws.

In effect, suburbs will have been annexed by a city-dominated region, their laws suspended and their tax money transferred to erstwhile non-residents. And to make sure the new high-density housing developments are close to “community assets” such as schools, transportation, parks, and jobs, bedroom suburbs will be forced to develop mini-downtowns. In effect, they will become more like the cities their residents chose to leave in the first place. It’s easy to miss the de facto absorption of local governments into their surrounding regions by AFFH, because the rule disguises it. AFFH does contain a provision that allows individual jurisdictions to formally join a regional consortium. Yet the rule leaves it up to local authorities to decide whether to enter regional groupings — or at least the rule appears to make participation in regional decision-making voluntary. In truth, however, just by obligating grantees to compare their housing to the demographics of the greater metropolitan area, and remedy any disparities, HUD has effectively turned every suburban jurisdiction into a helpless satellite of its nearby city and region. We can see this, because the final version of AFFH includes much more than just the provisions of the rule itself.

The final text of the regulation incorporates summaries of the many public comments on the preliminary rule, along with replies to those comments by HUD. This amounts to a running dialogue between leftist housing activists trying to make the rule more controlling, local bureaucrats overwhelmed by paperwork, a public outraged by federal overreach, and HUD itself. Read carefully, the section of the rule on “Regional Collaboration and Regional Analysis” (especially pages 188–203), reveals one of AFFH’s key secrets: It doesn’t really matter whether a local government decides to formally join a regional consortium or not. HUD can effectively draft any suburb into its surrounding region, just by forcing it to compare its demographics with the metropolitan area as a whole. At one point (pages 189–191), for example, commenters directly note that the obligation to compare local and regional data, and remedy any disparities, amounts to forcing a jurisdiction to ignore its own boundaries. Without contradicting this assertion, HUD then insists that all jurisdictions will have to engage in exactly such regional analysis. Comments from leftist housing activists repeatedly call on HUD to pressure local jurisdictions into regional planning consortia. At every point, however, HUD declines to demand that local governments formally join such regional collaborations. Yet each time the issue comes up, HUD assures the housing activists that just by compelling local jurisdictions to compare their demographics with the region as a whole, suburbs will effectively be forced to address demographic disparities at the total metropolitan level (e.g., page 196). When housing activists worry that a suburb with few poor or minority residents will argue that it has no need to develop low-income housing, HUD makes it clear that the regulation as written already effectively forces all suburbs to accommodate the needs of non-residents (pages 198–199). Again, HUD stresses that the mere obligation to analyze, compare, and remedy demographic disparities at the local and regional levels amounts to a kind of compulsory regionalism. HUD’s language is coy and careful. The Obama administration clearly wants to avoid alarming local governments, so it underplays the extent to which they have been effectively dissolved and regionalized by AFFH. At the same time, HUD wants to tip off its leftist allies that this is exactly what has happened.

At one level, then, the apparatus of formal and voluntary collaboration in a regional consortium is a bit of a ruse. AFFH amounts to an annexation of suburbs by cities, whether the suburbs like it or not. Yet the formal, regional groupings enabled by the rule are far from harmless. Comments from housing advocates (pages 194–197), for example, chide HUD for failing to include a mention in AFFH of the hundreds of federally-funded regional plans already being developed by leftist activists across the country (the “Sustainable Communities Regional Planning Grant” program). These plans entail far more than imposing low-income housing quotas on the suburbs. They embody the regionalist program of densifying housing in suburb and city alike, and they structure transportation spending in such a way as to make suburban living far less convenient and workable. HUD replies that these plans can indeed be used by regional consortia to fulfill their obligations under AFFH.

So a city could formally join with some less-well-off inner-ring suburbs and present one of these comprehensive regionalist dream-plans as the product of its consortium. At that point, HUD could pressure reluctant upper-middle-class suburbs to embrace the entire plan on pain of losing their federal funds. In this way, AFFH could force the full menu of regionalist policies—not just low-income housing quotas—onto the suburbs. There are plenty of ways in which HUD can pressure a suburb to bend to its will. The techniques go far beyond threats to withhold federal funds. The recent Supreme Court decision in Texas Department of Housing and Community Affairs v. Inclusive Communities Project has opened the door to “disparate impact” suits against suburbs by HUD and private groups alike. That is, any demographic imbalance, whether intentional or not, can be treated by the courts as de facto discrimination. Just by completing the obligatory demographic analysis demanded by AFFH—with HUD-provided data, and structured according to HUD requirements—a suburb could be handing the government evidence to be used in such a lawsuit.

Worse, AFFH demands that suburbs account for their demographic disparities, and forces them to choose from a menu of HUD-provided explanations. So if a suburb follows HUD’s lead and formally attributes demographic “imbalances” to its zoning laws, the federal government has what amounts to a signed confession to present in a disparate-impact suit seeking to nullify local zoning regulations. With a (forced) paper “confession” from nearly every suburb in the country in hand, HUD can use the threat of lawsuits to press reluctant municipalities to buy into a regional consortium’s every plan. Regionalists consider the entire city-suburb system bigoted and illegitimate, so there are few local governments that HUD would not be able to slap with a disparate-impact suit on regionalist premises. It’s unlikely that any suburb has a perfect demographic and “asset” balance in every category. All HUD has to do is decide which suburban governments it wants to lean on. With every locality vulnerable to a suit, every locality can be made to play the regionalist game. Leftist housing activists worry that AFFH never specifies the penalties a suburb will face for imbalances in its housing patterns. These activists just don’t get it.

A thoughtful reading of AFFH, including its extraordinary “dialogue” section, makes it clear that HUD can go after any suburb, any time it wants to. The controlling consideration will be politics. HUD has got to boil the frog slowly enough to prevent him from jumping. It will take time for the truth to emerge. Just by issuing AFFH, the Obama administration has effectively annexed America’s suburbs to its cities. The old American practice of local self-rule is gone. We’ve switched over to a federally controlled regionalist system. Now it’s strictly a question of how obvious Obama and the Democrats want to make this change — and when they intend to bring the hammer down. The only thing that can restore local control is joint action by a Republican president and a Republican congress to rescind AFFH and restrict the reach of disparate impact litigation. We’ll know after November 8, 2016.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/421389/attention-americas-suburbs-you-have-just-been-annexed-stanley-Kurtz

Th'Pusher
02-05-2016, 02:32 PM
Can you start putting your links at the top so I don't have to scroll through a wall of text only to find you've linked some partisan bullshit that appeals to your emotion?

Thanks in advance!

TheSanityAnnex
02-05-2016, 02:59 PM
I'll start doing that as soon as you start actually discussing the topics of the threads instead of your usual drive by whining.

ElNono
02-05-2016, 04:09 PM
Sounds like a book sales pitch. I don't see what's the problem. What are your thoughts on it?

RandomGuy
02-05-2016, 04:26 PM
Sounds like a book sales pitch. I don't see what's the problem. What are your thoughts on it?

Wait, wait, let *me* guess:

http://i.imgur.com/XpEMpcz.gif

RandomGuy
02-05-2016, 04:27 PM
https://cbs923ampradiony.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/niko-thanks-obama0001web.jpg

RandomGuy
02-05-2016, 04:29 PM
I'll start doing that as soon as you start actually discussing the topics of the threads instead of your usual drive by whining.

Tell you what then. Let's set aside any whining.

What do you think is the best or most important point made in the article/review and why do you think it is important?

RandomGuy
02-05-2016, 04:36 PM
breathtaking radicalism,

This has been Obama’s purpose from the start.

Obama Is Robbing

Alinsky-style community organizers

These activists


http://www.ninjajournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/bullshit.jpg

Ok, ok, after this last funny, I will pick it apart.

It reads like a 9-11 truth wall of paranoia. You can essentially summarize it as "they're comin to git your suburbs", wrapped up in dog-whistle racism.

Shocker.

TheSanityAnnex
02-05-2016, 04:40 PM
Tell you what then. Let's set aside any whining.

What do you think is the best or most important point made in the article/review and why do you think it is important?

I posted it to see if anyone is seeing it happen around them.

rmt
02-05-2016, 04:57 PM
Don't know about the rest but the hijacking of tax revenues is happening here in Miami-Dade County. Quite a few of the better neighborhoods started to incorporate into cities/townships - got to keep their tax revenue within city limits. The county passed some law where the cities now have to give HALF of their tax revenues to incorporated Miami-Dade county to distribute elsewhere. These cities/townships pay for their own police, fire, waste, parks, etc on half of their tax revenue and can still lower their tax rate.

It infuriates me whenever I have to drive around a roundabout (and it's associated palm trees/flowers) that they stick in the middle of a street - just to use up our tax money and ask for more next year. It is highway robbery and gross waste on the part of the county.

Th'Pusher
02-05-2016, 05:07 PM
Don't know about the rest but the hijacking of tax revenues is happening here in Miami-Dade County. Quite a few of the better neighborhoods started to incorporate into cities/townships - got to keep their tax revenue within city limits. The county passed some law where the cities now have to give HALF of their tax revenues to incorporated Miami-Dade county to distribute elsewhere. These cities/townships pay for their own police, fire, waste, parks, etc on half of their tax revenue and can still lower their tax rate.

It infuriates me whenever I have to drive around a roundabout (and it's associated palm trees/flowers) that they stick in the middle of a street - just to use up our tax money and ask for more next year. It is highway robbery and gross waste on the part of the county.

Dictator Obama is now forcing counties to pass laws requiring wealth redistribution?!?!!

rmt
02-05-2016, 05:13 PM
Dictator Obama is now forcing counties to pass laws requiring wealth redistribution?!?!!

Did I mention Obama? The COUNTY is taking half of the cities/townships tax revenue and redistributing it in other parts of the county.

Th'Pusher
02-05-2016, 05:40 PM
Did I mention Obama? The COUNTY is taking half of the cities/townships tax revenue and redistributing it in other parts of the county.

Ok, but you realize that has absolutely nothing to do with the OP right?

boutons_deux
02-05-2016, 05:58 PM
Final rule was 7 months ago.

http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?src=/press/press_releases_media_advisories/2015/HUDNo_15-084

ElNono
02-05-2016, 06:00 PM
Final rule was 7 months ago.

http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?src=/press/press_releases_media_advisories/2015/HUDNo_15-084

The book is 4 years old though, probably a good time for another sales pitch...

ChumpDumper
02-05-2016, 06:28 PM
I saw a lot of "could"s in there.

No examples provided whatsoever.

I call bullshit.

The poor here are leaving for the suburbs because of the high and still rising price of housing in the city, period. If anyone can prove that HUD made this happen, they get a cookie.

TeyshaBlue
02-05-2016, 10:21 PM
Can you start putting your links at the top so I don't have to scroll through a wall of text only to find you've linked some partisan bullshit that appeals to your emotion?

Thanks in advance!

Related...and predates the article substantially. From that bastion of conservatism, The Atlantic.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/07/american-murder-mystery/306872/

Its a long, but well written article that reinforces some of the OP's points. However, it predates Obama.

TeyshaBlue
02-05-2016, 10:31 PM
I saw a lot of "could"s in there.

No examples provided whatsoever.

I call bullshit.




The poor here are leaving for the suburbs because of the high and still rising price of housing in the city, period. If anyone can prove that HUD made this happen, they get a cookie.

Give that Atlantic article a read. I think it's a bit more subtle than pricing.

TheSanityAnnex
02-06-2016, 01:19 PM
Related...and predates the article substantially. From that bastion of conservatism, The Atlantic.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/07/american-murder-mystery/306872/

Its a long, but well written article that reinforces some of the OP's points. However, it predates Obama.



If police departments are usually stingy with their information, housing departments are even more so. Getting addresses of Section 8 holders is difficult, because the departments want to protect the residents’ privacy. Betts, however, helps the city track where the former residents of public housing have moved. Over time, she and Janikowski realized that they were doing their fieldwork in the same neighborhoods.
About six months ago, they decided to put a hunch to the test. Janikowski merged his computer map of crime patterns with Betts’s map of Section8 rentals. Where Janikowski saw a bunny rabbit, Betts saw a sideways horseshoe (“He has a better imagination,” she said). Otherwise, the match was near-perfect. On the merged map, dense violent-crime areas are shaded dark blue, and Section8 addresses are represented by little red dots. All of the dark-blue areas are covered in little red dots, like bursts of gunfire. The rest of the city has almost no dots.
Betts remembers her discomfort as she looked at the map. The couple had been musing about the connection for months, but they were amazed—and deflated—to see how perfectly the two data sets fit together. She knew right away that this would be a “hard thing to say or write.” Nobody in the antipoverty community and nobody in city leadership was going to welcome the news that the noble experiment that they’d been engaged in for the past decade had been bringing the city down, in ways they’d never expected. But the connection was too obvious to ignore, and Betts and Janikowski figured that the same thing must be happening all around the country. Eventually, they thought, they’d find other researchers who connected the dots the way they had, and then maybe they could get city leaders, and even national leaders, to listen.

ChumpDumper
02-06-2016, 01:34 PM
Did you guys expect for the criminal element to disappear from the face of the earth immediately after the projects were torn down?

TeyshaBlue
02-06-2016, 02:17 PM
Of course not. I also expected the migration of said population and the associated issues.

TheSanityAnnex
02-06-2016, 04:56 PM
Did you guys expect for the criminal element to disappear from the face of the earth immediately after the projects were torn down?
Did you expect for the criminal element to get worse?

In the most literal sense, the national effort to diffuse poverty has succeeded. Since 1990, the number of Americans living in neighborhoods of concentrated poverty—meaning that at least 40 percent of households are below the federal poverty level—has declined by 24percent. But this doesn’t tell the whole story. Recently, the housing expert George Galster, of Wayne State University, analyzed the shifts in urban poverty and published his results in a paper called “A Cautionary Tale.” While fewer Americans live in high-poverty neighborhoods, increasing numbers now live in places with “moderate” poverty rates, meaning rates of 20 to 40 percent. This pattern is not necessarily better, either for poor people trying to break away from bad neighborhoods or for cities, Galster explains. His paper compares two scenarios: a city split into high-poverty and low-poverty areas, and a city dominated by median-poverty ones. The latter arrangement is likely to produce more bad neighborhoods and more total crime, he concludes, based on a computer model of how social dysfunction spreads.




Studies show that recipients of Section8 vouchers have tended to choose moderately poor neighborhoods that were already on the decline, not low-poverty neighborhoods. One recent study publicized by HUD warned that policy makers should lower their expectations, because voucher recipients seemed not to be spreading out, as they had hoped, but clustering together. Galster theorizes that every neighborhood has its tipping point—a threshold well below a 40 percent poverty rate—beyond which crime explodes and other severe social problems set in. Pushing a greater number of neighborhoods past that tipping point is likely to produce more total crime. In 2003, the Brookings Institution published a list of the 15 cities where the number of high-poverty neighborhoods had declined the most. In recent years, most of those cities have also shown up as among the most violent in the U.S., according to FBI data.

ChumpDumper
02-06-2016, 06:57 PM
Did you expect for the criminal element to get worse?Worse how?

Show your data to prove your contention the criminal element is worse.

TheSanityAnnex
02-06-2016, 09:51 PM
Worse how?

Show your data to prove your contention the criminal element is worse.
I'm just relaying housing expert Galster's studies. If you really want the data I'd recommend reading his book A Cautionary Tale, unless you yourself are an expert on these matters and have a book of your own with disputing data to share.

ChumpDumper
02-07-2016, 03:43 AM
I'm just relaying housing expert Galster's studies. If you really want the data I'd recommend reading his book A Cautionary Tale, unless you yourself are an expert on these matters and have a book of your own with disputing data to share.I'm asking you.

I am assuming you are talking out of your ass and have no numbers to back up anything you say.

I also expect you to whine and bitch and make things personal in an attempt to avoid providing the simple proof requested.

TeyshaBlue
02-07-2016, 10:04 AM
Worse how?

Show your data to prove your contention the criminal element is worse.

It certainly appears to be in the suburbs. Pretty sure this is not an Obama administration issue tho as the AFFH is just a restatement of policy from the 60's . The jump in suburban crime stats certainly appear to be a unintended consequence however.

TeyshaBlue
02-07-2016, 10:09 AM
http://www.wsj.com/article_email/SB10001424127887323300404578206873179427496-lMyQjAxMTAyMDMwMTEzNDEyWj.html?mod=wsj_valettop_em ail

TheSanityAnnex
02-07-2016, 11:34 AM
I'm asking you.

I am assuming you are talking out of your ass and have no numbers to back up anything you say.

I also expect you to whine and bitch and make things personal in an attempt to avoid providing the simple proof requested.
:cry http://www.npc.umich.edu/publications/working_papers/paper9/03-09.pdf

ElNono
02-07-2016, 12:10 PM
Related...and predates the article substantially. From that bastion of conservatism, The Atlantic.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/07/american-murder-mystery/306872/

Its a long, but well written article that reinforces some of the OP's points. However, it predates Obama.

Now this was a good read. Thanks for sharing.

TeyshaBlue
02-07-2016, 12:16 PM
:tu

ChumpDumper
02-07-2016, 01:38 PM
It certainly appears to be in the suburbs.The criminal element just moved.

ChumpDumper
02-07-2016, 01:41 PM
:cry http://www.npc.umich.edu/publications/working_papers/paper9/03-09.pdf2003?

lol

Why are you scared now?

TeyshaBlue
02-07-2016, 01:56 PM
The criminal element just moved.

Exactly. But the problem is unquestionably worse for the new locale...ie the suburbs.

ChumpDumper
02-07-2016, 02:05 PM
Exactly. But the problem is unquestionably worse for the new locale...ie the suburbs.I'd have to look at the numbers for each one in question. They were talking about midsized cities like Memphis a lot but the overall crime trend (including violent crime) has still been downward there since the article came out.

As for the program itself -- sure, some tweaking could be done, but looking at this long term, I'm less worried than if the huge concentration camp style projects remained for more generations.

TheSanityAnnex
02-07-2016, 06:55 PM
The criminal element just moved.
And got worse.

ChumpDumper
02-07-2016, 07:35 PM
And got worse.Unproved.

Just vomiting up a link to a paper from 12 years ago doesn't mean you did anything.

You have to quantify that the crime in the suburbs is worse than the crime in the urban areas ever was.

Good luck with that.

TheSanityAnnex
02-07-2016, 08:38 PM
Unproved.

Just vomiting up a link to a paper from 12 years ago doesn't mean you did anything.

You have to quantify that the crime in the suburbs is worse than the crime in the urban areas ever was.

Good luck with that.

Surely you have data to dispute Galster's claims.

ChumpDumper
02-07-2016, 11:25 PM
Surely you have data to dispute Galster's claims.Sorry, this is your claim.

Your claim is suburban crime is now worse than inner city crime ever was.

Prove it.

Winehole23
02-08-2016, 09:59 AM
Galston's observed trend in 2003 -> reasonable inferences therefrom -> moar anecdotes -> QED

TheSanityAnnex
02-08-2016, 02:43 PM
Sorry, this is your claim.

Your claim is suburban crime is now worse than inner city crime ever was.

Prove it.Lately, though, a new and unexpected pattern has emerged, taking criminologists by surprise. While crime rates in large cities stayed flat, homicide rates in many midsize cities (with populations of between 500,000 and 1 million) began increasing, sometimes by as much as 20percent a year. In 2006, the Police Executive Research Forum, a national police group surveying cities from coast to coast, concluded in a report called “A Gathering Storm” that this might represent “the front end … of an epidemic of violence not seen for years.” The leaders of the group, which is made up of police chiefs and sheriffs, theorized about what might be spurring the latest crime wave: the spread of gangs, the masses of offenders coming out of prison, methamphetamines. But mostly they puzzled over the bleak new landscape. According to FBI data, America’s most dangerous spots are now places where Martin Scorsese would never think of staging a shoot-out—Florence, South Carolina; Charlotte-Mecklenburg, North Carolina; Kansas City, Missouri; Reading, Pennsylvania; Orlando, Florida; Memphis, Tennessee.

While fewer Americans live in high-poverty neighborhoods, increasing numbers now live in places with “moderate” poverty rates, meaning rates of 20 to 40 percent. This pattern is not necessarily better, either for poor people trying to break away from bad neighborhoods or for cities, Galster explains. His paper compares two scenarios: a city split into high-poverty and low-poverty areas, and a city dominated by median-poverty ones. The latter arrangement is likely to produce more bad neighborhoods and more total crime, he concludes, based on a computer model of how social dysfunction spreads.


Studies show that recipients of Section8 vouchers have tended to choose moderately poor neighborhoods that were already on the decline, not low-poverty neighborhoods. One recent study publicized by HUD warned that policy makers should lower their expectations, because voucher recipients seemed not to be spreading out, as they had hoped, but clustering together. Galster theorizes that every neighborhood has its tipping point—a threshold well below a 40 percent poverty rate—beyond which crime explodes and other severe social problems set in. Pushing a greater number of neighborhoods past that tipping point is likely to produce more total crime. In 2003, the Brookings Institution published a list of the 15 cities where the number of high-poverty neighborhoods had declined the most. In recent years, most of those cities have also shown up as among the most violent in the U.S., according to FBI data.

Winehole23
02-08-2016, 06:58 PM
So, what's your take on your most recent cut and paste?

It doesn't say quite the same thing as the previous one.

ChumpDumper
02-08-2016, 07:24 PM
Lately, though, a new and unexpected pattern has emerged, taking criminologists by surprise. While crime rates in large cities stayed flat, homicide rates in many midsize cities (with populations of between 500,000 and 1 million) began increasing, sometimes by as much as 20percent a year. In 2006, the Police Executive Research Forum, a national police group surveying cities from coast to coast, concluded in a report called “A Gathering Storm” that this might represent “the front end … of an epidemic of violence not seen for years.” The leaders of the group, which is made up of police chiefs and sheriffs, theorized about what might be spurring the latest crime wave: the spread of gangs, the masses of offenders coming out of prison, methamphetamines. But mostly they puzzled over the bleak new landscape. According to FBI data, America’s most dangerous spots are now places where Martin Scorsese would never think of staging a shoot-out—Florence, South Carolina; Charlotte-Mecklenburg, North Carolina; Kansas City, Missouri; Reading, Pennsylvania; Orlando, Florida; Memphis, Tennessee.

While fewer Americans live in high-poverty neighborhoods, increasing numbers now live in places with “moderate” poverty rates, meaning rates of 20 to 40 percent. This pattern is not necessarily better, either for poor people trying to break away from bad neighborhoods or for cities, Galster explains. His paper compares two scenarios: a city split into high-poverty and low-poverty areas, and a city dominated by median-poverty ones. The latter arrangement is likely to produce more bad neighborhoods and more total crime, he concludes, based on a computer model of how social dysfunction spreads.


Studies show that recipients of Section8 vouchers have tended to choose moderately poor neighborhoods that were already on the decline, not low-poverty neighborhoods. One recent study publicized by HUD warned that policy makers should lower their expectations, because voucher recipients seemed not to be spreading out, as they had hoped, but clustering together. Galster theorizes that every neighborhood has its tipping point—a threshold well below a 40 percent poverty rate—beyond which crime explodes and other severe social problems set in. Pushing a greater number of neighborhoods past that tipping point is likely to produce more total crime. In 2003, the Brookings Institution published a list of the 15 cities where the number of high-poverty neighborhoods had declined the most. In recent years, most of those cities have also shown up as among the most violent in the U.S., according to FBI data.
Hey, pastebot -- try actually backing up your claim:

Sorry, this is your claim.

Your claim is suburban crime is now worse than inner city crime ever was.

Prove it.

TheSanityAnnex
02-08-2016, 07:56 PM
Hey, pastebot -- try actually backing up your claim:
It's Galster's claim, and he has pretty compelling evidence backing it.

ChumpDumper
02-08-2016, 08:01 PM
It's Galster's claim, and he has pretty compelling evidence backing it.No, it's your claim -- and none of your pasting has proved it at all.

Try again.

Your claim is suburban crime is now worse than inner city crime ever was.

Prove it.

TheSanityAnnex
02-08-2016, 08:16 PM
No, it's your claim -- and none of your pasting has proved it at all.

Try again.

Your claim is suburban crime is now worse than inner city crime ever was.

Prove it.
You manufactured that claim on your own.

ChumpDumper
02-08-2016, 10:21 PM
You manufactured that claim on your own.


The criminal element just moved.


And got worse.Sorry. Your words.

Feel free to walk back anytime. That or whining are the only moves you have left.

TheSanityAnnex
02-08-2016, 11:38 PM
Sorry. Your words.

Feel free to walk back anytime. That or whining are the only moves you have left.

There is nothing to walk back, those are my words, and your claim is still manufactured. More total crime = got worse.

"Galster theorizes that every neighborhood has its tipping point—a threshold well below a 40 percent poverty rate—beyond which crime explodes and other severe social problems set in. Pushing a greater number of neighborhoods past that tipping point is likely to produce more total crime."

ChumpDumper
02-08-2016, 11:41 PM
There is nothing to walk back, those are my words, and your claim is still manufactured. More total crime = got worse. Got worse overall?

In the nation?

In some neighborhoods?

Increasing up to the present day?

You're talking out of your ass. It's fun to watch you constantly try to scare yourself.

pgardn
02-08-2016, 11:45 PM
Some Mexicans moved in right next to my NW SA suburban house.
They were loud last night during the Super Bowl, the end is near.

TheSanityAnnex
02-09-2016, 12:18 AM
Got worse overall?

In the nation?

In some neighborhoods?

Increasing up to the present day?

You're talking out of your ass. It's fun to watch you constantly try to scare yourself.
Do me a favor and read what Galster wrote as that is all I've referenced. I'm not doing a pointless back and forth when the answers you seek have been posted multiple times. You are arguing with yourself at this point as you are making up claims I never made.

ChumpDumper
02-09-2016, 12:36 AM
Do me a favor; say what you actually mean for once and quit hiding under skirts.
And got worse.What do you mean by this?

In your own words.