Official Clutchfans Meltdown after Duncan is ranked better than hakeem on ESPN

[dabom]

:lmao

[Robz4000]

Post some snippets

[dabom]

So far they all think hakeem gonna be rated higher. How their world gonna crumble. :lol

[Silver&Black]

Just a fantastic OP.

[dabom]

I know huh?

[TheGreatYacht]

Hakeem was a system player who relied on Kenny Smith. He had Barkley, Pippen, and Drexler on his teams, talk about carried. Just a scrub who lucked out because Jordan retired, lol nobody talks about those years.

Brian Hoyer is the best QB the Texans have had in the past 2 decades, and JJ Watt is trash.

[DarrinS]

Hakeem was a system player who relied on Kenny Smith. He had Barkley, Pippen, and Drexler on his teams, talk about carried. Just a scrub who lucked out because Jordan retired, lol nobody talks about those years.

Brian Hoyer is the best QB the Texans have had in the past 2 decades, and JJ Watt is trash.


You don't know wtf you're talking about, per par.

[TheGreatYacht]

You don't know wtf you're talking about, per par.
Your old senile brain can't detect sarcasm, per par.

[apalisoc_9]

Hakeem probably had the best two year in basketball history. Talent and ability wise..hes probably the 2nd best player behind MJ

MJ-Hakeem-TD are the only legit two way players in the top 15 list.

[houston spurs fan]

Hakeem probably had the best two year in basketball history. Talent and ability wise..hes probably the 2nd best player behind MJ

MJ-Hakeem-TD are the only legit two way players in the top 15 list.
Are you even old enough to have watched Hakeem in his prime?

[houston spurs fan]

Hakeem was a system player who relied on Kenny Smith. He had Barkley, Pippen, and Drexler on his teams, talk about carried. Just a scrub who lucked out because Jordan retired, lol nobody talks about those years.

Brian Hoyer is the best QB the Texans have had in the past 2 decades, and JJ Watt is trash.
This is an unbelievably bad basketball take on so many levels. Not even going to get into it....dafuck??

[tbdog]

Are you even old enough to have watched Hakeem in his prime?

His prime was very short lived. And besides he won the title while Jordan was semi retired. Duncan won the title not only in his prime, but even twice when Lebron was taking over the league.

[Proxy]

His prime was very short lived. And besides he won the title while Jordan was semi retired. Duncan won the title not only in his prime, but even twice when Lebron was taking over the league.

hahaha, "taking over the league"

14 would fit that criteria, but saying Lebron was in his prime in 2007 is a joke

[tbdog]

hahaha, "taking over the league"

14 would fit that criteria, but saying Lebron was in his prime in 2007 is a joke

He wasn't in his prime, but what he did to that Piston side was nuts.

[Spurtacular]

Nobody thinks Hakeem will be higher. OP's a faggot.

[Spurtacular]

Hakeem probably had the best two year in basketball history. Talent and ability wise..hes probably the 2nd best player behind MJ

MJ-Hakeem-TD are the only legit two way players in the top 15 list.

Reliving your first man crush, eh?

[dabom]

Nobody thinks Hakeem will be higher. OP's a faggot.

Go to clutchfans faggot. Stay in your jimmy thread. :lmao

[Spurtacular]

Go to clutchfans

Nobody that counts thinking it, bud.

[DarrinS]

Your old senile brain can't detect sarcasm, per par.

Is your avatar sarcasm?

[DarrinS]

Your old senile brain can't detect sarcasm, per par.

Is your avatar sarcasm?

[Budkin]

I can't hate on Olajuwon. Dude was fucking unstoppable.

[hater]

Hakeem probably had the best two year in basketball history. Talent and ability wise..hes probably the 2nd best player behind MJ

MJ-Hakeem-TD are the only legit two way players in the top 15 list.

Ever heard of Shaquille O'Neal retard?

[Russo21]

Hakeem only made 2 NBA Finals and let Fatass Barkley's Suns make it in 93, Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp's Sonics make it in 96, Stockton to Malone in 97. Hakeem was awesome but he should have at least made the finals a few more times than 2.

[313]

Hakeem probably had the best two year in basketball history.
:lmao

[SouthernFried]

Man, I loved Olajuwan. But, Duncan should be ranked higher...and I don't think it's even close.

[gilmor]

5 rings vs 2 rings..

[dunkman]

Hakeem made it 3 times to the finals, when the Rockets stunned the Lakers, I think it was in '86. That being said Duncan already had a better career and similar peak level. I think Hakeem has more blocks, a dpoy and a back to back title, but 5 vs 2 'ships or 2 vs 1 MVP is a big difference.

[YGWHI]

11-Robertson
12-Kobe
13-Jerry West
14-Dr.J
15-Moses Malone

The last 10 spots should be something like Kareem, LeBron, Shaq, Wilt, Russell, Hakeem, Magic, Bird, Duncan, Jordan.

[dabom]

Rockets losing the blazers. :lmao

[Agloco]

That list is a pile of shit anyway. So much fail in it. That said:

:lol Clutchfans

[Spurtacular]

Hakeem only made 2 NBA Finals and let Fatass Barkley's Suns make it in 93, Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp's Sonics make it in 96, Stockton to Malone in 97. Hakeem was awesome but he should have at least made the finals a few more times than 2.

Well, considering he went to three finals... And he went to a finals when MJ was nothing more than a circus attraction.

[Russo21]

Well, considering he went to three finals... And he went to a finals when MJ was nothing more than a circus attraction.

True, forgot about 1986, my bad

[Spurtacular]

True, forgot about 1986, my bad

Yea, 80's Akeem is somewhat forgettable. He was still raw.

[Harry Callahan]

Hakeem only made 2 NBA Finals and let Fatass Barkley's Suns make it in 93, Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp's Sonics make it in 96, Stockton to Malone in 97. Hakeem was awesome but he should have at least made the finals a few more times than 2.

Wrong - made finals in 1986 (I think) against Boston.

[Harry Callahan]

Wrong - made finals in 1986 (I think) against Boston.

OOPs - somebody already got that one......sorry.

That 2 year forced vacation for Michael Jordan did help out Hakeem's legacy quite a bit......

Spurs (really Rodman) blew a title in 1995 - they would have beaten Orlando......

[will_spurs]

I'm still waiting to see if they had the guts to put Duncan #2. Seeing Kobe at #12 tells me they might.

[baseline bum]

I'm still waiting to see if they had the guts to put Duncan #2. Seeing Kobe at #12 tells me they might.

Duncan at 2 is ridiculous. Besides, they didn't have the balls to put Russell outside of the top 15. #2 is going to be either Chamberlain or AIDS.

[Benoit]

IMO it should have been

1 MJ
2 Wilt Chamberlain
3 Magic
4 Kobe
5 Kareem
6 Bill Russell
7 Larry Bird
8 Shaq
9 Hakeem the Dream
10 Oscar Robertson
11 Jerry West
12 Tim Duncan

[Brazil]

IMO it should have been

1 MJ
2 Wilt Chamberlain
3 Magic
4 Kobe
5 Kareem
6 Bill Russell
7 Larry Bird
8 Shaq
9 Hakeem the Dream
10 Oscar Robertson
11 Jerry West
12 Tim Duncan

:lol dat troll is probably the shittiest I saw on ST and that's saying a lot

[Brazil]

That list is a pile of shit anyway. So much fail in it. That said:

:lol Clutchfans

A list that put Kobe outside top 10 is by definition an above average list

[will_spurs]

:lol dat troll is probably the shittiest I saw on ST and that's saying a lot

Only surprise is that Curry isn't #1.

[Agloco]

A list that put Kobe outside top 10 is by definition an above average list

Curry is at 23. FOH.

[Sean Cagney]

I can't hate on Olajuwon. Dude was fucking unstoppable.

That one year he made me just sit there and shake my head and say what planet is he from? Dude was out of his mind in 95.

[Sean Cagney]

IMO it should have been

1 MJ
2 Wilt Chamberlain
3 Magic
4 Kobe
5 Kareem
6 Bill Russell
7 Larry Bird
8 Shaq
9 Hakeem the Dream
10 Oscar Robertson
11 Jerry West
12 Tim Duncan

The real list is Kobe at 12 so yours is just your opinion man. Hate on.
True, forgot about 1986, my bad

Almost everyone forgets about that tbh. They had the original twin towers, too bad one could not stay healthy for long or the league would have been in trouble.

[Brazil]

Curry is at 23. FOH.

who cares...

Kobe 12

[baseline bum]

Almost everyone forgets about that tbh. They had the original twin towers, too bad one could not stay healthy for long or the league would have been in trouble.

Sampson was never very good and that team only made the Finals when LA fell asleep at the wheel, just like they did in 81. I loved it when Jerry Sichting got that faggot thrown out of Game 5.

[Sean Cagney]

Sampson was never very good and that team only made the Finals when LA fell asleep at the wheel, just like they did in 81. I loved it when Jerry Sichting got that faggot thrown out of Game 5.

21 and 11 his first two years and his third 18 and near 11 too, 4 time all star and I believe he was rookie of the year. Ralph Sampson was a player before his injuries so I disagree there on him not being that good but that is your opinion. LA falling asleep at the wheel is their own fault though, very talented team and probably should have won the series and been to the finals every year but they allowed the Rockets to slip past them. I think that frontline of Hakeem and Sampson had he stayed healthy was legit man, maybe they don't win a title? Who knows.

I see you said VERY good though, so if he was not very good he was at least solid and an all star caliber player.

[Benoit]

:lol dat troll is probably the shittiest I saw on ST and that's saying a lot

:rolleyes

[Brazil]

:rolleyes

brah... put a bit of effort into it because right now dat troll of yours does suck :lol

[NameLess Scrub]

I wasn't a spur fan in 94-95. I was a Bulls fan.
So for me that Hakeem run was very enjoyable.
He owned Shaq like probably nobody could.
They also made history by launching the taco bell double decker, so there's that.

http://cdn.nextimpulsesports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/shaqhakeem.jpg

[Agloco]

IMO it should have been

1 MJ
2 Wilt Chamberlain
3 Magic
4 Kobe
5 Kareem
6 Bill Russell
7 Larry Bird
8 Shaq
9 Hakeem the Dream
10 Oscar Robertson
11 Jerry West
12 Tim Duncan

Curry at 23 though. :lol

[barbacoataco]

I still say these rankings are impossible unless you distinguish between peak value and career value. The problem is people are talking about two different things. If you're talking career value that is the cumulative effort over a whole career. That has little to do with whether Olajuwon was unstoppable in the 1995 playoffs. Just make 2 lists and then you can have more meaningful debates.

[SPURt]

http://www.si.com/nba/2016/02/09/michael-jordan-lebron-james-stephen-curry-nba-greatest

I am not sure if these awful rankings deserve a new thread, but I think Benoit might be writing for SI

Edit: Jack McCallum wrote this list and I used to think he was a decent writer but this may be one of the worst list I've ever seen. Here is how he ordered the top five Spurs all time:

1. Timmy
2. Ice
3. D Rob
4. Parker - he mentions him as a snub
5. Manu- no mention at all

The rest of the list is pretty awful. Walt Frazier ahead of Robinson?

[Drachen]

http://www.si.com/nba/2016/02/09/michael-jordan-lebron-james-stephen-curry-nba-greatest

I am not sure if these awful rankings deserve a new thread, but I think Benoit might be writing for SI

Edit: Jack McCallum wrote this list and I used to think he was a decent writer but this may be one of the worst list I've ever seen. Here is how he ordered the top five Spurs all time:

1. Timmy
2. Ice
3. D Rob
4. Parker - he mentions him as a snub
5. Manu- no mention at all

The rest of the list is pretty awful. Walt Frazier ahead of Robinson?

Well. Lol

[barbacoataco]

http://www.si.com/nba/2016/02/09/michael-jordan-lebron-james-stephen-curry-nba-greatest

I am not sure if these awful rankings deserve a new thread, but I think Benoit might be writing for SI

Edit: Jack McCallum wrote this list and I used to think he was a decent writer but this may be one of the worst list I've ever seen. Here is how he ordered the top five Spurs all time:

1. Timmy
2. Ice
3. D Rob
4. Parker - he mentions him as a snub
5. Manu- no mention at all

The rest of the list is pretty awful. Walt Frazier ahead of Robinson?

Kind of a strange list, with a few idiosyncratic choices. See my earlier post about the need to have 2 lists, peak value and career value. This guy clearly does not make that distinction. How can you put Shaq that low unless you are penalizing him for having a somewhat shorter career? At other times he favors players who were less durable but had a great run.

[TheDoctor]

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[baseline bum]

Well I got #10 right in predicting how ESPN will pick them.


How do expect to see them rank the top 10? I'll guess

1. Jordan
2. AIDS
3. Wilt
4. Kareem
5. Russell
6. Bird
7. Duncan
8. James
9. O'Neal
10. Olajuwon

[Leetonidas]

IMO it should have been

1 MJ
2 Wilt Chamberlain
3 Magic
4 Kobe
5 Kareem
6 Bill Russell
7 Larry Bird
8 Shaq
9 Hakeem the Dream
10 Oscar Robertson
11 Jerry West
12 Tim Duncan

try harder

[taps]

LA fell asleep at the wheel, just like they did in 81.

I thought that team was so-so. Magic had that huge injury he may have come back to soon from, then he just went Tragic against HOU. Magic was complaining to media about "jealous" teammates. Westhead drama could've been a factor plus the roster was retooled a little for 82 meaning maybe that 81 roster was a little subpar. Still 40-42 Rockets I guess there's no excuse for that

[SPURt]

Kind of a strange list, with a few idiosyncratic choices. See my earlier post about the need to have 2 lists, peak value and career value. This guy clearly does not make that distinction. How can you put Shaq that low unless you are penalizing him for having a somewhat shorter career? At other times he favors players who were less durable but had a great run.
I agree with your list about peak players which opens the door for guys like Grant Hill. I can't imagine either peak list or a body of work list that would place Walt Frazier over D Rob. Ole Jack seems to be having a senior moment.

[SpursFan86]

Shaq's longevity gets underrated. Some people act like he was just extremely dominant for a few years and that's it...dude was dominant from when he came in the league in '92 up until 2005. That's 13 years - more than you'll see from guys like Bird or Magic. Granted Shaq had a good amount of years where he missed 15-20 games, but he was always healthy for the playoffs (where he absolutely dominated), so I don't dock him as much for that.

Shaq is in my top 5, right behind Duncan at #4.

[baseline bum]

Well I got #10 right in predicting how ESPN will pick them.

Now I'm 2 for 2

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[baseline bum]

Wow, these dickheads ranked LeBron over Tim

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[FuzzyLumpkins]

Wow, these dickheads ranked LeBron over Tim

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Your really surprised by recency/hype bias?

[Kawhitstorm]

Shaq's longevity gets underrated. Some people act like he was just extremely dominant for a few years and that's it...dude was dominant from when he came in the league in '92 up until 2005. That's 13 years - more than you'll see from guys like Bird or Magic. Granted Shaq had a good amount of years where he missed 15-20 games, but he was always healthy for the playoffs (where he absolutely dominated), so I don't dock him as much for that.

Shaq is in my top 5, right behind Duncan at #4.

Shaq has been swept multiple times during his prime while playing with multiple All-Stars.:lol

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I don't know, ranking LeBron ahead of TD isn't that blasphemous. I'd have TD over LBJ myself, but I don't think it's too far fetched to have LeBron ahead.

[baseline bum]

Your really surprised by recency/hype bias?

Well the recency was this

http://www.geeksandcleats.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/lebron-james-crying-nba-finals.jpg

I am surprised, because ESPN has been ripping him a lot this year for being 2-4 in the Finals.

[baseline bum]

I don't know, ranking LeBron ahead of TD isn't that blasphemous. I'd have TD over LBJ myself, but I don't think it's too far fetched to have LeBron ahead.

Yeah, James / Duncan / Bird is pretty arguable in any permutation. All three should be over Russell and under Jordan / AIDS / Abdul-Jabbar / Chamberlain.

[ElNono]

:lol dat troll is probably the shittiest I saw on ST and that's saying a lot

:lol i'm sure he had great plans for it, but overplayed it too quickly...

[daslicer]

Don't agree with Lebron over Duncan but I think they put him ahead for a few reasons. They factored in Lebron's MVP count which is ahead of Duncan and they must have been impressed by Lebron's 5 straight finals appearances. I think that's what did it for them.

[$pursDynasty]

Kareem, Jordan, Wilt, Bill, Magic that is all I put over Tim which would make him #6 but 8 isn't bad, there was going to be one contemporary high up (LBJ) and people love Bird so I am not gonna meltdown about it.

[baseline bum]

They put LeBron top 5 :lol

[baseline bum]

Their 6-10 illustration has Duncan, Bird, Russell, O'Neal, Olajuwon

http://espn.go.com/nba/

[baseline bum]

I hope they rank LeBron over Kareem just to see the Laker fan butthurt

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Yeah, James / Duncan / Bird is pretty arguable in any permutation. All three should be over Russell and under Jordan / AIDS / Abdul-Jabbar / Chamberlain.

Can we all agree that Russell is pretty overrated? I mean, yeah he's got a lot of rings,but no way is he top 6 for me personally.

[baseline bum]

Can we all agree that Russell is pretty overrated? I mean, yeah he's got a lot of rings,but no way is he top 6 for me personally.

Russell is probably top 25 because he was such an insane shotblocker and a great outlet passer, but 6 is ridiculous.

[YGWHI]

Tim 5 rings, 2 MVPs, 3 FMVPs, playing his entire career for one team and leading that team on the NBA top for 18 years... Still don't get how they pick LeBron over him.

[baseline bum]

Russell #7

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So that makes Bird #6

[daslicer]

Russell #7

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So that makes Bird #6

Bird always has to be in the top 5 or top 6 in these guys eyes he is a white god. I think once the Boomers are dead in 20 some years Bird will be ranked lower.

[baseline bum]

Bird always has to be in the top 5 or top 6 in these guys eyes he is a white god. I think once the Boomers are dead in 20 some years Bird will be ranked lower.

He shouldn't be, Bird was a monster.

[spurraider21]

He shouldn't be, Bird was a monster.

:lmao tbh..

[dabom]

Wow. Should make a ST meltdown because no way is Lebron higher than Duncan. Even he'll tell you. :lmao

[FromWayDowntown]

Tim 5 rings, 2 MVPs, 3 FMVPs, playing his entire career for one team and leading that team on the NBA top for 18 years... Still don't get how they pick LeBron over him.

All of that while being 15x All-NBA *AND* 15x All-Defense, while winning 50 games (or the equivalent) in every single season of his career, while having a realistic shot at having the most playoff games played of anyone in NBA history by the time he retires.

During Tim Duncan's career, his teams have not just managed to make the playoffs in every season; they've advanced at least a round deep in 14 of the 18 prior playoff seasons; they've qualified with a top-3 seed in the West in 14 of 18 seasons (likely to become 15/19). They've been the #1 seed on 7 different occasions; the #2 seed on 3 occasions; and the #3 seed on 4 occasions. Not just that -- they've finished with a top-5 record in the NBA in 16 of the 18 seasons (again, likely to become 17/19 this year; they tied for the 6th best record in 1997-98 and for the 10th best record in 2009-10).

[YGWHI]

All of that while being 15x All-NBA *AND* 15x All-Defense, while winning 50 games (or the equivalent) in every single season of his career, while having a realistic shot at having the most playoff games played of anyone in NBA history by the time he retires.

During Tim Duncan's career, his teams have not just managed to make the playoffs in every season; they've advanced at least a round deep in 14 of the 18 prior playoff seasons; they've qualified with a top-3 seed in the West in 14 of 18 seasons (likely to become 15/19). They've been the #1 seed on 7 different occasions; the #2 seed on 3 occasions; and the #3 seed on 4 occasions. Not just that -- they've finished with a top-5 record in the NBA in 16 of the 18 seasons (again, likely to become 17/19 this year; they tied for the 6th best record in 1997-98 and for the 10th best record in 2009-10).

[barbacoataco]

Lebron is hard to rank because he still has a way to go. Having played in the Leastern Conference his whole career diminishes all the Finals appearances. I'm not sure why that isn't brought up more.

Shaq loses points to me because of his poor free throw shooting. He was often on the bench in tight games at the end because of his liability. That isn't true of any of the other all time greats.

[baseline bum]

Not a Bird fan? He was a horrendous defender, but so was Shaq, so was Magic, and Abdul-Jabbar wasn't anything to write home about either. But Bird was like a hybrid of Diaw and Ginobili with Gary Payton's attitude.

[barbacoataco]

Top 10 all time is impressive with Duncan ranked over Olajuwon and Shaq. If you put the Lebron issue to the side, I think Duncan did pretty good.

[TDfan2007]

All of that while being 15x All-NBA *AND* 15x All-Defense, while winning 50 games (or the equivalent) in every single season of his career, while having a realistic shot at having the most playoff games played of anyone in NBA history by the time he retires.

During Tim Duncan's career, his teams have not just managed to make the playoffs in every season; they've advanced at least a round deep in 14 of the 18 prior playoff seasons; they've qualified with a top-3 seed in the West in 14 of 18 seasons (likely to become 15/19). They've been the #1 seed on 7 different occasions; the #2 seed on 3 occasions; and the #3 seed on 4 occasions. Not just that -- they've finished with a top-5 record in the NBA in 16 of the 18 seasons (again, likely to become 17/19 this year; they tied for the 6th best record in 1997-98 and for the 10th best record in 2009-10).

:tu

All of that and you can't forget the fact that he was absolutely unguardable in his prime in addition to being an elite passer, rebounder, shotblocker, and defender. He also adapted his game to changing tactics and his deteriorating body better than any player in history.

:lol Pop's offense from 1999-2004 was basically just "give the ball to Timmy and GTFO the way" (aka 4 down), and we won 2 titles with it.

[FromWayDowntown]

All of that while being 15x All-NBA *AND* 15x All-Defense, while winning 50 games (or the equivalent) in every single season of his career, while having a realistic shot at having the most playoff games played of anyone in NBA history by the time he retires.

During Tim Duncan's career, his teams have not just managed to make the playoffs in every season; they've advanced at least a round deep in 14 of the 18 prior playoff seasons; they've qualified with a top-3 seed in the West in 14 of 18 seasons (likely to become 15/19). They've been the #1 seed on 7 different occasions; the #2 seed on 3 occasions; and the #3 seed on 4 occasions. Not just that -- they've finished with a top-5 record in the NBA in 16 of the 18 seasons (again, likely to become 17/19 this year; they tied for the 6th best record in 1997-98 and for the 10th best record in 2009-10).

I'd add that the Spurs either won the title or were eliminated by a team that at least reached the Finals in 13 of Duncan's 18 seasons (they were the champion or lost to the eventual champion in 8 of those 13 seasons).

[bklynspursfan]

IMO it should have been

1 MJ
2 Wilt Chamberlain
3 Magic
4 Kobe
5 Kareem
6 Bill Russell
7 Larry Bird
8 Shaq
9 Hakeem the Dream
10 Oscar Robertson
11 Jerry West
12 Tim Duncan

BS, Curry isn't there.

[SpursFan86]

Bird gets hurt by his longevity. He had 9 seasons of elite play before injuries derailed his career. Someone like LeBron, who is only 31, has already put together more quality seasons.

I'll admit I didn't see Bird/Magic in their primes, so maybe that's why I underrate them, but I'd take Duncan/LeBron/Shaq over those 2 without much hesitation.

[spurraider21]

Not a Bird fan? He was a horrendous defender, but so was Shaq, so was Magic, and Abdul-Jabbar wasn't anything to write home about either. But Bird was like a hybrid of Diaw and Ginobili with Gary Payton's attitude.
i'm a big bird fan, there's a reason i quoted harlem instead of saying that outright. i have bird above aids, but below jabbar

[baseline bum]

i'm a big bird fan, there's a reason i quoted harlem instead of saying that outright. i have bird above aids, but below jabbar

Oh ok. Bird is starting to get underrated as time passes.

[BD24]

Laker fans in the comment section of the ranking are soo butt hurt that Timmy is above Shaq and Kobe. One of them even tried the cool argument of Kobe was more exciting and people paid more money to see him.

[Proxy]

Laker fans in the comment section of the ranking are soo butt hurt that Timmy is above Shaq and Kobe. One of them even tried the cool argument of Kobe was more exciting and people paid more money to see him.


same thing Aids said when asked about his reaction to Kareem's opinion on TD/Kobe

[DMC]

11-Robertson
12-Kobe
13-Jerry West
14-Dr.J
15-Moses Malone

The last 10 spots should be something like Kareem, LeBron, Shaq, Wilt, Russell, Hakeem, Magic, Bird, Duncan, Jordan.

Every site thinks their man should be 2nd, but agrees Jordan should be first. Why is it easier to put your guy ahead of everyone but Mike? Why not have Tim 1st? Russell has more rings than Mike. Bird never repeated.

The reason Tim is number 8 is because Tim spent a lot of time scraping by with high idle performances. Everyone here knows it. It's why he's still playing. Lebron is going to be number 5 I think, and that's fine because no one else I can think of outside that group could have made 5 consecutive Finals appearances on 2 different teams, where the fortunes of the teams just so happened to rise and fall with his arrival and departure.

So yeah, given the talent he's faced you'd have to put Lebron up there pretty high. You also have to weigh the "now" factor. Some "now" guy has to get a nod for top 5 and Tim is about to retire.

[BillMc]

So LeBron is already Top 5? Not sure I'd go that far. I'd have Russell and TD ahead of him at minimum. Not sure LBJ was/is better than Shaq either.

Bird was transcendent and deserves to be lauded. But he could never play D like Timmy and with a 5 to 3 ring count I'd give Duncan the nod over Bird. That said, obviously, I'm biased.

[HarlemHeat37]

IMO it should have been

1 MJ
2 Wilt Chamberlain
3 Magic
4 Kobe
5 Kareem
6 Bill Russell
7 Larry Bird
8 Shaq
9 Hakeem the Dream
10 Oscar Robertson
11 Jerry West
12 Tim Duncan

:lol must suck for Lakers fans that the media's POV has changed dramatically since 2010, tbh..if the ring count was 5-5 back in 2010 or even 2011, there still wouldn't be any media members putting Duncan ahead of Kobe..

Kobe not in the top 10 is pretty stupid, though..

[aal04]

Hakeems biggest gripe is he made and won the finals in the very 2 years MJ took a break. Thats no coincidence.

Literally MJ played 14 years straight. with a break of 2 years. and those 2 years Hakeem won and only in those 2 years

[lefty]

Hakeem shits on TD tbh

[HarlemHeat37]

ESPN would receive death threats if they had rated Larry Bird ugly, potato-looking ass accurately, tbh:lol..

When it pertains to pro sports, there are 2 players that White people would kill for: Larry Bird and Peyton Manning..I once had a middle-aged White man pull out a shotty to my head because I said Larry Bird was overrated, tbh, 100..

[Cry Havoc]

Bird gets hurt by his longevity. He had 9 seasons of elite play before injuries derailed his career. Someone like LeBron, who is only 31, has already put together more quality seasons.

I'll admit I didn't see Bird/Magic in their primes, so maybe that's why I underrate them, but I'd take Duncan/LeBron/Shaq over those 2 without much hesitation.

I don't understand why bird gets hurt with the longevity argument but not magic. He played the same number of seasons. I think magic is a little overrated tbh. I'd take Duncan over Magic in a fantasy draft any day of the week.

[Cry Havoc]

ESPN would receive death threats if they had rated Larry Bird ugly, potato-looking ass accurately, tbh:lol..

When it pertains to pro sports, there are 2 players that White people would kill for: Larry Bird and Peyton Manning..I once had a middle-aged White man pull out a shotty to my head because I said Larry Bird was overrated, tbh, 100..

Yeah, 30 10 and 6 guys with unlimited range and ridiculous clutch abilities just fall out of the fucking trees.

I really wish you'd go back to actual basketball takes instead of this edgy hipster agena-ridden bullshit you continually parrot these days. It was old 2 years ago.

[HarlemHeat37]

Yeah, 30 10 and 6 guys with unlimited range and ridiculous clutch abilities just fall out of the fucking trees.

I really wish you'd go back to actual basketball takes instead of this edgy hipster agena-ridden bullshit you continually parrot these days. It was old 2 years ago.

Because there weren't several NBA players during Bird's time that spoke the truth about the media's White agenda:rolleyes

I didn't say he wasn't a great player, relax:lol..like I said, White people freak out when you speak ill of Larry Bird..

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Wilt
MJ
Magic
Duncan
Kareem
Bird
Russell
Robertson
Bryant
O'Neal
Olajuwon

Most underrated: Wilt, Robertson, Bird
Most overrated: Russell, Jabbar, West

[dabom]

Lot of questions. Not young enough to watch him play but how da fuck does hakeem even miss the playoffs so many times in his prime tbh? like 6-7 times his whole career. ELITE players don't do that. Or you just ain't elite enough.

[J_Paco]

I just can't wrap my mind around the idea that 7 players, even if the greatest of all-time, have had better careers/"peaks" than Timothy Theodore Duncan. The list was invalidated a while ago when they placed Stephen Curry above Dwyane Wade and Isiah Thomas, but I just can't believe that LeBron James (at this point), Larry Bird, Magic Johnson or Bill Russell had superior careers.There is a common thread that ties three of those mean together and I believe that is the only reason they are held in "higher regard" than Duncan. Had Timmy actually been drafted by Boston and accomplished everything he has in San Antonio, then we would have him being placed in his prior context with Jordan, Abdul-Jabbar and Chamberlain (the only three players better than him, IMO).

He is a top 5 all-time great whether the idiots at ESPN realize it or not.

[spurraider21]

Because there weren't several NBA players during Bird's time that spoke the truth about the media's White agenda:rolleyes

I didn't say he wasn't a great player, relax:lol..like I said, White people freak out when you speak ill of Larry Bird..
:lol and you seem to freak out when anybody here mentions him, too

[aal04]

I guess stats > defense.

Russel, timmy and Hakeem all out

[SpursFan86]

Lot of questions. Not young enough to watch him play but how da fuck does hakeem even miss the playoffs so many times in his prime tbh? like 6-7 times his whole career. ELITE players don't do that. Or you just ain't elite enough.

What? He made the playoffs 14 times in his first 15 seasons. He missed the playoffs 2 of his last years in Houston when he was 37+ years old and he started dealing with injuries, but I don't know why anyone would focus on that rather than the rest of his career.

[$pursDynasty]

WTF, Wilt and Magic have been listed and no Lebron. Hell no is LBJ over Magic and Wilt, I was mad when I thought he would be #5, LeBron in the top 3 is completely stupid, I am done with this list. In fact the only thing about it that I liked was the Center rankings.