Boban... is he really a keeper?

[Mel_13]

Renouncing surrenders bird rights no?

That's why they used the Room Exception to sign him. Tim was signed with Bird Rights.

[Chinook]

That's why they used the Room Exception to sign him. Tim was signed with Bird Rights.

And you gain them back the next year if you don't sign with anyone else, which is why Manu would have Bird rights if he opts out this summer.

[Mel_13]

And you gain them back the next year if you don't sign with anyone else, which is why Manu would have Bird rights if he opts out this summer.

Yes.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The point I was trying to make is they couldn't have signed either one for more than they did and had the Aldridge deal work, bird rights or not.

[Mel_13]

The point I was trying to make is they couldn't have signed either one for more than they did and had the Aldridge deal work, bird rights or not.

They couldn't have signed Manu for the amount that they did using his Bird Rights, they had to renounce him and use the exception. All other signings remaining the same, of course.

[Chinook]

The limited funds the team had at its disposal is exactly why I'm looking at those options are deferred compensation. The players were worth more, but they couldn't sign them for more. So the team gave them more guaranteed money. The option allows for them to opt out and re-sign for bigger deals next summer if they decide to play again.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The limited funds the team had at its disposal is exactly why I'm looking at those options are deferred compensation. The players were worth more, but they couldn't sign them for more. So the team gave them more guaranteed money. The option allows for them to opt out and re-sign for bigger deals next summer if they decide to play again.

When have the Spurs ever done that? The option also allows them to opt out and get a bigger parachute too. You sure like fixating on your preferred outcome and going full sophist.

[SAGirl]

Anyone else other than Chinook think West and/or Manu would opt-in and retire screwing the clubs cap situation? Particularly after they have already taken less money to help the club? Gerald Henderson's case is great and all but gmfb.
The discussion is interesting to me, but cap situations and such are an area of ignorance for me. I think Chinook has a point in his speculation. It just makes sense if you consider that the pay for them this season was "stretched" fir two seasons, bc really their deals were too low fir their production. If they return I expect them to renegotiate their deal. Boban and West potentially also could see raises. Ray will see a raise as well. So the cap will go up but we have some guys who need to get paid who have been right by us. And the market will be hit even for our guys so I am not expecting anyone new. We have to hope for internal growth from our rookies, youngsters and maybe an addition like Bertans or Cady to give us some depth.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

The 1+1 deals are protection/insurance for the players, even West signed a 1+1 minimum deal, which cost the Spurs more than a single year at the min would have, and he's most definitely opting out anyway.

The way I see it is that the Spurs believe the window would be open only with Tim and Manu playing, thus if they decide to retire after this season, they'd be OK paying them next year's deals as parachute payments and using next season to retool, knowing they wouldn't be contenders anyway and prepare for the 2017 summer when they'll have a lot of cap space.

If they're healthy and want to play another year, then they opt out and sign new deals using bird rights - most likely one-year deals as Chinook has proposed in other threads, paying them market value this time and preserving the 2017 cap space. We can only speculate on these things, obviously, but this looks reasonable to me. Definitely more reasonable than expecting them to opt in.

That said, I remember back in the 2000s people were absolutely sure 2012 was the year Pop, Tim and Manu ride into the sunset. Now we're speculating whethee Tim and Manu retire in 2016 or 2017. Been a great ride :toast

[SpursIndonesia]

The thing that i am kinda bummed about Boban as of late is his weakness as a rebounder. His physique limits him as a PnR defender, and he is not nimble enough to be a great shot blocker, but Mark Eaton was dominant rebounder in his era, with similar body type, i really don't see why Boban can't at least be as good.

[SAGirl]

The thing that i am kinda bummed about Boban as of late is his weakness as a rebounder. His physique limits him as a PnR defender, and he is not nimble enough to be a great shot blocker, but Mark Eaton was dominant rebounder in his era, with similar body type, i really don't see why Boban can't at least be as good.
I am not sure why he doesn't board as often, but he's often out of position is a reason and doesnt box out well. He gets switches onto perimeter players defending PnR too often. I'd like him to play similar Ito Timmy, hanging back and giving space, being less willing to switch onto perimeter players. After that, he perhaps relied on his length and size too much before and now that is not enough without good fundamentals.

As critical as I have been of him I am really pulling for him to get better bc if he did he could be a special bench big for example since he has no troubles scoring and our future bench without Manu can go through dry spells.

[dabom]

Kyle anderson .84RPM. Boban 3 plus times better. :lmao

[dabom]

OP now "hearts" Boban. :lol

[dabom]

I'm on the heat boards and they all admit Boban took hassan's cookies. Daylight robbery and shit. :lmao

Again. :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

OP now "hearts" Boban. :lol

[Brazil]

:lol dis thread tbh...

[hooperflash]

This dude would average 40 pts, at least, if he would stop doing his best Ayres butterfingers impression. Catch the ball for easy points, tbh.

/blue

[MultiTroll]

19.2 per 48 minutes, good for 5th among all NBA Centers.

Not sure what you guys are seeing with the eyeball test either.
I've also seen a lot of opponents be allowed to be physical with him with no call.

Not sure if that is the NBA bullshit rookie rule for non Lakers, Spurs bias, or just getting snookered because he is so freaking big that they feel the opponents deserve the edge.

[KimmyGib]

it ain't easy playing bball with 10 thumbs

[dabom]

Didn't watch the game but he put up some Duncan numbers. +10. What's the problem?

[MultiTroll]

Didn't watch the game but he put up some Duncan numbers. +10. What's the problem?
Expectation level of some Spurfan is excessive.
Boban can contribute to this years playoffs.

[dabom]

I mean he was playing with LMA I'm guessing. Who do Spurs fans want the ball in their hands? :lol

[Solid D]

I am not sure why he doesn't board as often, but he's often out of position is a reason and doesnt box out well.

I don't think Boban is judging flight-of-ball as well as some of the other good rebounding bigs. When matched with opposing starters, he's been less effective...and that's understandable. You know, some guys are just better at the geometry of the game, but it's something he can work on.

[AFMadison]

I don't think Boban is judging flight-of-ball as well as some of the other good rebounding bigs. When matched with opposing starters, he's been less effective...and that's understandable. You know, some guys are just better at the geometry of the game, but it's something he can work on.
I think it's more him getting accustomed to NBA rules. Over seas the guy could practically goaltend. Now he looks hesitant when the ball is on the rim.

[dabom]

OP. :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

OP. :lmao

[KL2]

He was key for Simms/Anderson scoring with those screens, he needs to get some playoff mins especially against Dallas.

[PopTheGOAT]

He was key for Simms/Anderson scoring with those screens, he needs to get some playoff mins especially against Dallas.
We're playing the grizz still

[SAGirl]

He was key for Simms/Anderson scoring with those screens, he needs to get some playoff mins especially against Dallas.
He has definitively improved setting screens. He used to dance around not really setting a screen b4, like not knowing the angle etc. He's definitely improved. He set Simms free specially bc the threat of leaving him open made the big not want to help off him to stop Simmons.

[Brazil]

:lmao this thread
:lmao OP

Boban is clearly a keeper... issue is it will cost a bunch

[Brazil]

OP. :lmao

:lmao tbh...

slurp Kyle Anderson slurp :cry

[kaji157]

I think heis a keeper, first because he wont command much money, second because Duncan will need a backup that can play if he stays, and third, because even if you cannot play him against some teams, those are exceptions, he is playable in general and once the spurs find a few sets where he can take advantage he will give you great advantage on the floor.

On the defensive side is where we find him more vulnerable, but i am sure that is mainly part of a first year experience on one of the most difficult defensive systems.

[spursistan]

i can see Cuban throwing money at him after watching him up close destroy the Mavs couple of times :lol...dude loves to picture himself "fucking with dem Spurs"..

[Brazil]

first because he wont command much money

not sure what is your definition here but you can count on MLE kind of proposal for sure... MLE is quite a lot of money in fact

[kaji157]

not sure what is your definition here but you can count on MLE kind of proposal for sure... MLE is quite a lot of money in fact

I think he stays for 3 years 14 millions

[Brazil]

I think he stays for 3 years 14 millions

wait till Cub throw a bunch of money at him tbh... :lol but yeah 3 years 14 M would be solid

[KL2]

We're playing the grizz still

Got it all mixed up, thought we were playing the Mavs.

[BillMc]

wait till Cub throw a bunch of money at him tbh... :lol but yeah 3 years 14 M would be solid

Poor Dirk. That's all money he gave away to build a "contender".

Wonder how Manu and Timmy would have done if PATFO had blundered so after they took pay cuts.

[SAGirl]

:lmao this thread
:lmao OP

Boban is clearly a keeper... issue is it will cost a bunch
:toastyou have had some pretty trashy takes yourself.
:lmao I have always liked Boban, but I questioned his value defensively. I am glad he's improved, not just on that, but other things in his game. He might indeed be too costly though and he should not be up to giving discounts bc of his age and the limited number of years he has to cash in on his skill. All things I discussed here. :lol
I do hope we keep him, but we shall see what it costs.
Do you see him as a starter in this league? Bc that's the kind of money he might be looking at?

[SAGirl]

Poor Dirk. That's all money he gave away to build a "contender".

Wonder how Manu and Timmy would have done if PATFO had blundered so after they took pay cuts.
To be fair to the Mavs they tried, but Parsons busted a knee and they overpaid Matthews after D.Jordan did them dirty.
The Rondo trade was a bust too.
None of their plans panned out. Definitely could see them after Boban too. Dirk and him both foreign players, Dirk a spacing big. Who knows?

[SAGirl]

:lmao tbh...

slurp Kyle Anderson slurp :cry
Don't act like you don't slurp Tony TBH.

[SAGirl]

:lmao this thread
:lmao OP

Boban is clearly a keeper... issue is it will cost a bunch
One of several issues discussed in this thread as it centered on whether what he would cost would be worth it for us. But oh?
You were trolling.?...ah ok.

[Spurs9]

Rockets or mavs will probably try to overpay for him.

[dabom]

Don't act like you don't slurp Tony TBH.

Are you insinuating you slurp KA? :lmao

[dabom]

One of several issues discussed in this thread as it centered on whether what he would cost would be worth it for us. But oh?
You were trolling.?...ah ok.

Your premise was on his game, not his worth you stupid fuck. :lmao

Read your first post. :lmao

[SAGirl]

Daboom you are on my ignore list and you know it. Stop quoting me.

[Brazil]

:toastyou have had some pretty trashy takes yourself.
:lmao I have always liked Boban, but I questioned his value defensively. I am glad he's improved, not just on that, but other things in his game. He might indeed be too costly though and he should not be up to giving discounts bc of his age and the limited number of years he has to cash in on his skill. All things I discussed here. :lol
I do hope we keep him, but we shall see what it costs.
Do you see him as a starter in this league? Bc that's the kind of money he might be looking at?

:lmao what shitty takes ? enlight me
:lmao give my secret lover Kylie time but this Boban freak, after 5 games I'm not sure he is a keeper

Being a starter or not will depend on his health and if he is capable to play 30-35 mpg and honestly nobody knows... If it cost trading salary dumping Kylie to keep him, you pull the trigger tho... in a heartbeat. In one year he produced more WS than Kylie in two years...

Then you questioned his value defensively which is fine and legit but at the same you don't seem to question much Kyle defense...:rolleyes

in b4 the "but Kylie is just 24 y/o and cost less while Boban is already 27 and will cost more"

[dabom]

:lmao what shitty takes ? enlight me
:lmao give my secret lover Kylie time but this Boban freak, after 5 games I'm not sure he is a keeper

Being a starter or not will depend on his health and if he is capable to play 30-35 mpg and honestly nobody knows... If it cost trading salary dumping Kylie to keep him, you pull the trigger tho... in a heartbeat. In one year he produced more WS than Kylie in two years...

Then you questioned his value defensively which is fine and legit but at the same you don't seem to question much Kyle defense...:rolleyes

in b4 the "but Kylie is just 24 y/o and cost less while Boban is already 27 and will cost more"

:lol

[Brazil]

Don't act like you don't slurp Tony TBH.

Dat come back :lol I'm hetero so no really I don't slurp Tony

[Brazil]

One of several issues discussed in this thread as it centered on whether what he would cost would be worth it for us. But oh?
You were trolling.?...ah ok.

Not a single line in your OP refers to the money it would cost... your OP was quite clear you were questioning his defense and also claimed you had your doubts regarding his offense... not once you mentionned money. Now I know you will try to spin dat one with a "but but in the thread I mentionned it pages 4,5 and 6" once you saw that your take was at best mediocre... point remains your OP is worth :lmao

[Brazil]

Daboom you are on my ignore list and you know it. Stop quoting me.

damn... I did not know you were in the ignore list business... :depressed

[raybies]

Yup I've soured on him a bit too. Would rather have another rim protector and better roller and another stretch 4 next year. Duncan's absence has altered my thoughts on him to some degree. I mean he's a situational big. I understand that now. And unless a miracle happens I don't see him as anything more. He can't guard the pick and roll, or faster players, or stretch bigs. He would have to be dominant as heck on offense to offset that... But I thought he could be a better rim protector.

Facts

[raybies]

And I don't understand the big deal with ignoring. I do too. Some ppl can't stand the vulgarity, racism, sexism, harassment etc and come here to enjoy real basketball talk. And if any one mentions it they get flamed. So no point to call it out. The trolling is lame but no need to get trolled. There's freedom of speech but that doesn't mean I have to listen to crap.

[NameLess Scrub]

11 pages? Of course he's a keeper.

Who else will fill the role of blowout keeper?

[SAGirl]

:lmao what shitty takes ? enlight me
:lmao give my secret lover Kylie time but this Boban freak, after 5 games I'm not sure he is a keeper

Being a starter or not will depend on his health and if he is capable to play 30-35 mpg and honestly nobody knows... If it cost trading salary dumping Kylie to keep him, you pull the trigger tho... in a heartbeat. In one year he produced more WS than Kylie in two years...

Then you questioned his value defensively which is fine and legit but at the same you don't seem to question much Kyle defense...:rolleyes

in b4 the "but Kylie is just 24 y/o and cost less while Boban is already 27 and will cost more"
Kyle's 22 at least get your shit right b4 you start stinking it up.
If you cared about it you'd realise this wasn't a hate thread on Boban. But that doesn't suit you. I don't get dragged into this pissing contests which it's all it is. Go ahead and tell more about Kmart being ahead of Kyle in the rotation.

[SAGirl]

And I don't understand the big deal with ignoring. I do too. Some ppl can't stand the vulgarity, racism, sexism, harassment etc and come here to enjoy real basketball talk. And if any one mentions it they get flamed. So no point to call it out. The trolling is lame but no need to get trolled. There's freedom of speech but that doesn't mean I have to listen to crap.
Time in life is limited. I like basketball but I have the freedom to ignore bullshit, which I do. The troll gets angry when he doesn't get attention. :lol

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

OP having regrets posting this thread tbh

[SAGirl]

Dat come back :lol I'm hetero so no really I don't slurp Tony
:lol this was funny bc you do.

[SAGirl]

OP having regrets posting this thread tbh
It was a discussion starter. It created discussion about an interesting topic. The regret is probably feeding Brazil as he's trolling.

[benefactor]

Damn man...SAGirl having an on/off the lithium moment.

[kaji157]

wait till Cub throw a bunch of money at him tbh... :lol but yeah 3 years 14 M would be solid

It´s a realistical approach most GM´s would not bet a lot on a player that has had trouble keeping pace with the speed of the game, and that has played very sparingy for his only season on the NBA.

If someone wants to throw a 6 million starting salary at him, good for him, but i dont see it happening unless he has an unreal playoffs.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

It´s a realistical approach most GM´s would not bet a lot on a player that has had trouble keeping pace with the speed of the game, and that has played very sparingy for his only season on the NBA.

If someone wants to throw a 6 million starting salary at him, good for him, but i dont see it happening unless he has an unreal playoffs.

The salary floor will be over $80 million, there will be a lot of teams who've missed out on their primary and secondary targets, with a lot of money to burn trying to get to the floor. Some of the contracts this summer will be ridiculous.

[Seventyniner]

Boban will be outside the Spurs' price range if they want to conserve cap space for next summer or even make a splash this summer. He'll take the money if he can get it; he signed a 1-year deal for a reason.

[Chinook]

The question hasn't stopped being valid because of a couple of meaningless games. The Spurs are going to have to make tough roster decisions this summer -- especially if Tim and Manu retire. Too many moving pieces, and not enough proof to do anything but pencil Boban's name on the roster next year.

That said, I really don't think Boban will go to RFA if the Spurs want to keep him. He'd probably ink a new contract with the team really early into the moratorium, especially since Serbia has a qualifying tournament this summer that they'd probably want Boban to participate in. I don't think he'll want to have the lack of a contract hanging over him.

[Chinook]

Boban will be outside the Spurs' price range if they want to conserve cap space for next summer or even make a splash this summer. He'll take the money if he can get it; he signed a 1-year deal for a reason.

If 2017 is their goal, they have the money to keep Boban, as he will almost certainly not cost more than $6 Million that season.

[JuneJive]

Too many variables.

First and most important being the money.

While I wouldn't say he's looking to get paid, even the MLE type of a deal would be a few bucks too many for the Spurs.
We are still wondering what's his potential. He hasn't got much mileage vs 1st units. He's got some obvious rookie flaws.

PATFO knows his worth to this team. Honestly, I'd rather have him than West.

[Brazil]

Kyle's 22 at least get your shit right b4 you start stinking it up.
If you cared about it you'd realise this wasn't a hate thread on Boban. But that doesn't suit you. I don't get dragged into this pissing contests which it's all it is. Go ahead and tell more about Kmart being ahead of Kyle in the rotation.

:lol dat cute meltdown

I should feel ashamed tbh...

[SAGirl]

:lol dat cute meltdown

I should feel ashamed tbh...
Lol

[Brazil]

:lol this was funny bc you do.

:lmao

cutest poster ever tbh...

[dabom]

Damn man...SAGirl having an on/off the lithium moment.

[apalisoc_9]

:lmao

cutest poster ever tbh...
You guys have beef?

:lol

[SAGirl]

Too many variables.

First and most important being the money.

While I wouldn't say he's looking to get paid, even the MLE type of a deal would be a few bucks too many for the Spurs.
We are still wondering what's his potential. He hasn't got much mileage vs 1st units. He's got some obvious rookie flaws.

PATFO knows his worth to this team. Honestly, I'd rather have him than West.
I do prefer him to West too.

[SAGirl]

You guys have beef?

:lol
Brazil baited me into a pissing contest. I am done. My lithium is back on. :lol

[Brazil]

You guys have beef?

:lol

:lol just enjoying dat girl getting mad

[GSH]

Centers, more than most positions, need a couple of years in the league to develop. Other positions, you usually have a fair idea about their approximate ceiling when they get here, but it's a lot harder to know if a big man will be able to adapt to the NBA game. Guys like Pachulia and Gortat left a lot to be desired their first couple of seasons. Ian Mahinmi improved quite a bit, when he got steady minutes. The problem is, some never adapt. Boban is a 27 year-old rookie. He won't have the luxury of being in the league 12 years, like Pachulia.

I was calling for the Spurs to make a run at Boban last summer, before most people had heard of him. But, honestly, I've been shocked at his almost total lack of offensive skills outside of the restricted circle. The Spurs' offense has always benefitted from having guys like Fabbs and Tiago, who did all the "little things" that don't show up in a stat sheet. Boban doesn't have any of that. Most of all, he can't set a pick to save his life. Watch him on almost any offensive set, and he's out milling around in the middle, doing nothing. It's clear that he WANTS to set a screen - he just doesn't know how. He goes to a random spot, locks his hands in front of his crotch like he's about to take contact... but there's nobody there, and he's not in position for the PG to get anywhere near him. To me, he's like those kids in high school who have great size and ability, but have never played before. They're so far behind the other players that they are only good for one thing, and that's being taller than the rest.

I think Boban loves it here, and won't want to go elsewhere. So I think the Spurs keep him at a reasonable price, and try to work with him. I guess that makes him a "keeper"? But I hope they bring in some retired big man to teach him the game, and work him the entire off-season, including summer ball. If they were smart, they would get Fabbs to come in and work with him. I would think Fabbs would like getting a fat paycheck, and the chance to be involved with the game again. And he would be about as good as anyone for teaching the things they need Boban to learn. (Don't say Robinson - I don't think he'd get involved at that level, and he was more of a finesse player. They need someone who was a down and dirty, journeyman big.)

I think Boban is worth investing in. But if they just sign him, and wait to see what he learns on his own, they're fools. Go big or go home. The Spurs need to turn him into the player they need, or at least go all the way trying.

[BD24]

Never seen SAgirl so defensive. Look like Harlem up in here trying to defend his shitty LMA take. Just admit you were wrong, take your L, and move along.

[SAGirl]

Never seen SAgirl so defensive. Look like Harlem up in here trying to defend his shitty LMA take. Just admit you were wrong, take your L, and move along.
I think it's still up fir debate as he hasn't been resigned yet. But my take wasn't that he should or shouldn't so much as wanting to see what others thought. :wakeup

[BD24]

I think it's still up fir debate as he hasn't been resigned yet. But my take wasn't that he should or shouldn't so much as wanting to see what others thought. :wakeup
Please reread your OP and try to say that with a straight face. Its very apparent you were trying to say we shouldn't keep him. Just stop, your sinking further and further into the quicksand the more you struggle.

Take your L and move along. Its getting sad at this point.

[SAGirl]

Please reread your OP and try to say that with a straight face. Its very apparent you were trying to say we shouldn't keep him. Just stop, your sinking further and further into the quicksand the more you struggle.

Take your L and move along. Its getting sad at this point.
Lol after Brazil got me, this doesn't get to me.:toast

[dabom]

Please reread your OP and try to say that with a straight face. Its very apparent you were trying to say we shouldn't keep him. Just stop, your sinking further and further into the quicksand the more you struggle.

Take your L and move along. Its getting sad at this point.

Unlike Harlem who said he was wrong in his other thread. OP doesn't have the balls to say she's wrong. Not a good sign when you lose credibility like that. If OP had any to begin with.

[BD24]

Unlike Harlem who said he was wrong in his other thread. OP doesn't have the balls to say she's wrong. Not a good sign when you lose credibility like that. If OP had any to begin with.
:(Just give Kyle more time, he will get there:(

"Fuck Boban, he isn't a keeper.

[dabom]

This thread. :lmao

Dude got paid 20mil for the next 3 years. :lol

[raybies]

It's the market. That's actually a very affordable contract like 5% of the cap and they had money to spend. Have to him in backup minutes and his numbers than to see if the deal was worth it. But imo Stan will get the most out of him. He'll use the pick and roll almost exclusively with him and feature him

[SAGirl]

Wasn't a keeper at the end of the day... :lol at ppl trolling my thread. :wakeup

[dabom]

Wasn't a keeper at the end of the day... :lol at ppl trolling my thread. :wakeup
Because he's too talented. :lmao Surely that wasn't your stance and got called on it already. :lmao

This is like saying Kyle anderson improved the most. We have to read between the lines though. Dude is a scrub. :lmao

[tonight...you]

Because he's too talented. :lmao Surely that wasn't your stance and got called on it already. :lmao

This is like saying Kyle anderson improved the most. We have to read between the lines though. Dude is a scrub. :lmao
Actually, with Kyle speeding up and improving his shooting stroke, I think the kid could be something next year.
Call me cray, but he's going to get minutes this year and Pop wants to believe in him.

He may do something this year.

One can dream and I'm on my 4th Scotch and soda.
Balvenie (12 year Doublewood, for the inquiring minds) has been speaking in my ear and her words are sweet, like Tupelo Honey.
Me rikey.

[TheGreatYacht]

This is like saying Kyle anderson improved the most. We have to read between the lines though. Dude is a scrub. :lmao
:lol

[raybies]

Double post

[SAGirl]

It's the market. That's actually a very affordable contract like 5% of the cap and they had money to spend. Have to him in backup minutes and his numbers than to see if the deal was worth it. But imo Stan will get the most out of him. He'll use the pick and roll almost exclusively with him and feature him
Spurs could have matched the offer if they wanted. It was either Dedmon or Boban but not both. Spurs and Pop being a defensive team they prioritized Dedmon over Boban. All the issues I initially mentioned, specially defensively probably swayed Pop in a different direction. I agree with you. If they kept Boban, he had to be a featured player. His best asset is his dominance offensively and that is really why I wanted him... However, the Spurs having signed Pau, I think a defensive big was a need. Pau and Boban are both big scorers with questionable defense.

Still I wish him the best. In a featured role he will be a monster for Van Gundy I bet. :tu

[dabom]

Actually, with Kyle speeding up and improving his shooting stroke, I think the kid could be something next year.
Call me cray, but he's going to get minutes this year and Pop wants to believe in him.

He may do something this year.

One can dream and I'm on my 4th Scotch and soda.
Balvenie (12 year Doublewood, for the inquiring minds) has been speaking in my ear and her words are sweet, like Tupelo Honey.
Me rikey.

Dude shot like 33% in the playoffs. :lol

I want him to be good. He has his place in the nba. Just not the Spurs.

[Mel_13]

Spurs could have matched the offer if they wanted. It was either Dedmon or Boban but not both.

Not true. Dedmon signed for the room exception. Keeping Boban would have meant renouncing Manu or dumping Patty, at the very least.

You should probably let this one go. Even if your OP was reasonable at the time it was written, it was proven wrong by the end of the season.

[tonight...you]

Dude shot like 33% in the playoffs. :lol

I want him to be good. He has his place in the nba. Just not the Spurs.
True... Maybe... I'm hoping HOPING that Chip has been working with him and maybe, just maybe that his faster and smoother shooting stroke shows that he's been working on it and there's going to be some real improvement moving forward.
I mean, the past is the past and he's young enough to improve his game to a point of usefulness.

Why dog that, yo?

[raybies]

Spurs could have matched the offer if they wanted. It was either Dedmon or Boban but not both. Spurs and Pop being a defensive team they prioritized Dedmon over Boban. All the issues I initially mentioned, specially defensively probably swayed Pop in a different direction. I agree with you. If they kept Boban, he had to be a featured player. His best asset is his dominance offensively and that is really why I wanted him... However, the Spurs having signed Pau, I think a defensive big was a need. Pau and Boban are both big scorers with questionable defense.

Still I wish him the best. In a featured role he will be a monster for Van Gundy I bet. :tu

Yeah Dedmon was definitely a better choice for fit and price. Can't have Pau and Boban as your two to centers. You need some balancing and with a guy like Dedmon you get that. He's a better rim protector and better athletically. Also he's low maintenance like a street cat while boban needs constant attention on defense and offense. This way players like Manu, Simmons, and Kyle will be more of a focal point on offense which should mean better ball movement. I'm naming the facilitators.

[dabom]

True... Maybe... I'm hoping HOPING that Chip has been working with him and maybe, just maybe that his faster and smoother shooting stroke shows that he's been working on it and there's going to be some real improvement moving forward.
I mean, the past is the past and he's young enough to improve his game to a point of usefulness.

Why dog that, yo?

I'm a fan of the Spurs. Kyle is not a playoff warrior. He is hurting the Spurs every time he stepped on the court.

[rastaspur]

Actually, with Kyle speeding up and improving his shooting stroke, I think the kid could be something next year.
Call me cray, but he's going to get minutes this year and Pop wants to believe in him.

He may do something this year.

One can dream and I'm on my 4th Scotch and soda.
Balvenie (12 year Doublewood, for the inquiring minds) has been speaking in my ear and her words are sweet, like Tupelo Honey.
Me rikey.

Tupelo honey huh. Thats the van morrison song that j.j. grey covers, right?

Old school mofro is awesome. First three albums are killer. Then they went all commercial like ben harper and the albums have not been as good

[SAGirl]

Not true. Dedmon signed for the room exception. Keeping Boban would have meant renouncing Manu or dumping Patty, at the very least.

You should probably let this one go. Even if your OP was reasonable at the time it was written, it was proven wrong by the end of the season. cap issues are not my forte but if they wanted to keep him they could have. What they had to do to make that happen wasn't worth it but that's part of whether he's a keeper or not. There always opportunity cost for everything

And actually I think opportunity cost was part of the equation discussed at some point here.

[tonight...you]

Tupelo honey huh. Thats the van morrison song that j.j. grey covers, right?

Old school mofro is awesome. First three albums are killer. Then they went all commercial like ben harper and the albums have not been as good
Good call. I don't know J.J. Grey though. Yeah, I'm 40. I work off of music, professionally, but I haven't spared moments to listen to much new in the last 5-6 years.
Nobody has given me any decent referrals. I've still only heard one song by Justin Beiber! My wife (11 years my junior) laughs at how willfully un-hip I am towards today's pop music.

I still throw down with my Blues though, boy. Ah yes. My current thing has an all Blues theme to it. Totally out from left field too. I love it!

[tonight...you]

I'm a fan of the Spurs. Kyle is not a playoff warrior. He is hurting the Spurs every time he stepped on the court.
Fist to chest. I feel ya.
I'm going to have one more ounce of patience for him, since I don't really have any other choice right now.


And his current haircut makes him, at least, manageable to place your eyes upon without going into an epileptic seizure after a few minutes.
TGFT.

Now, having said that, go kill 'em Fathead!

[rastaspur]

Good call. I don't know J.J. Grey though. Yeah, I'm 40. I work off of music, professionally, but I haven't spared moments to listen to much new in the last 5-6 years.
Nobody has given me any decent referrals. I've still only heard one song by Justin Beiber! My wife (11 years my junior) laughs at how willfully un-hip I am towards today's pop music.

I still throw down with my Blues though, boy. Ah yes. My current thing has an all Blues theme to it. Totally out from left field too. I love it!

Check jj grey and mofro. Heavy on the blues in early albums. Its swamp rock blues if you had to label it. Out of jacksonville, florida area. JJ has alot of soul for a white boy.

[tonight...you]

Check jj grey and mofro. Heavy on the blues in early albums. Its swamp rock blues if you had to label it. Out of jacksonville, florida area. JJ has alot of soul for a white boy.
Gorgeous. Brother, you helped a man more than you know this day.
I was needing a shot in the arm like this and you just delivered in spades, my man.

I may not post for a couple hours now...

[rastaspur]

Gorgeous. Brother, you helped a man more than you know this day.
I was needing a shot in the arm like this and you just delivered in spades, my man.

I may not post for a couple hours now...

Jj grey is heavily influenced by junior kimbrough, r.l. burnside and that genre of dirty blues. Not the nice and neat chicago style.

Check out these albums :

(1) mofro - lochloosa
(2) jj grey and mofro - country ghetto
(3) mofro - blackwater

[spurraider21]

Anyone else other than Chinook think West and/or Manu would opt-in and retire screwing the clubs cap situation? Particularly after they have already taken less money to help the club? Gerald Henderson's case is great and all but gmfb.
maybe not west/manu but it looks like duncan went down that path

[spurraider21]

Boban will be in a Spurs jersey next year. He also stated he was only coming to the NBA to play for the Spurs. Fucking retards. :lmao
:lmao wrong

:lmao wrong side of history

[siraulo23]

:lmao wrong

:lmao wrong side of history

:lol

[Russ]

Pop tried to keep him from breaking out last season to avoid this day.

But once again, Spurs are prisoners of their own scouting success.

Good luck Boban!

[dabom]

:lmao wrong

:lmao wrong side of history


I knew he was a fucking beast like I said all year. Dude exceeded my expectations. :lmao

[Mikeanaro]

If you have a stacked team playing at his best Boban is a very nice addition, if not dude is the slowest among 7´3¨guys and very turnover prone also he is kind of soft.
Glad he is gone, nothing wrong with him but Spurs need another kind of players.

[tbdog]

I am not glad his gone but for the team makeup, he was unnecessary. We really now need a mid aged pf. T Jones had a really bad year but it could work. Just don't want Scola.

[DMC]

If he plays smaller than he is then why is it that every big man comes at him like he's Shaq particularly guys from Europe and why do smalls obviously look intimidated on his rotations. The guys he plays against act like he's big and then there is your interpretation.

:lol And he's already a known quantity 5 months in. You thinking you have it figured out is not the same thing. To me he looks like he needs more reps because he doesn't look polished on his technique. I can see him trying out new techniques like with rebounding where he is now trying to tip it out to himself as opposed to reaching in and going to get it. Rebounding rules are very different here.

Fuzzy :lol

Same stupid shit takes. Fake intellectual doing fake intellectual things.

[koriwhat]

Fuzzy :lol

Same stupid shit takes. Fake intellectual doing fake intellectual things.

Always and forever :tu

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fuzzy :lol

Same stupid shit takes. Fake intellectual doing fake intellectual things.

Years and years of rent free.

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

Career high tonight with 31 points along with 17 rebounds...

[Spurtacular]

Dude would've be a future HOF'er if NBA hadn't went soft.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8UN4dpuSI0