Bernie Sanders Us Selling Pie in the Sky BS to a Bunch of Dumb Young Folks

[Koolaid_Man]

:lmao that's it and that's all tbh.....dude been in the Congress for dam near 50 yrs and hasn't accomplished shit...he is part of the establishment....he latched on to a populist socialist message and is spreading that shit like wild fire....its sickening to see this level of fraud tbh....he and Trump are charlatans in my view

[clambake]

we'll let you know what we decide.

[TheSanityAnnex]

:lmao that's it and that's all tbh.....dude been in the Congress for dam near 50 yrs and hasn't accomplished shit...he is part of the establishment....he latched on to a populist socialist message and is spreading that shit like wild fire....its sickening to see this level of fraud tbh....he and Trump are charlatans in my view
Good to see you've learned a bit after being duped into voting for Hope and Change twice.

[Nbadan]

Good to see you've learned a bit after being duped into voting for Hope and Change twice.

Yeah, McCain and Romney would have been much better!

:rolleyes

[Koolaid_Man]

Good to see you've learned a bit after being duped into voting for Hope and Change twice.


Obama is the greatest president in World history

1. Obama
2. Lincoln
3. Clinton
4. Kennedy

[Pelicans78]

Yeah, McCain and Romney would have been much better!

:rolleyes

McCain no, but Romney may have been. He wasn't a neo-con.

[boutons_deux]

McCain no, but Romney may have been. He wasn't a neo-con.

he would have still bailed his BigFinance buddies, the stimulus would have been much bigger, etc, etc, but CFPB would be dead and RealAmericans would be down by $20B+

[CosmicCowboy]

Obama is the greatest president in World history

1. Obama
2. Lincoln
3. Clinton
4. Kennedy

:lmao

[Sportcamper]

Obama is the greatest president in World history
1. Obama
2. Lincoln
3. Clinton
4. Kennedy

Niiice...:lol

[baseline bum]

:lmao

Are you laughing at #1 or #3? :lol

[CosmicCowboy]

Are you laughing at #1 or #3? :lol

Both...plus #4. i will never understand how Kennedy gets a pass from liberals for getting us balls deep into Vietnam.

Actually Clinton wasn't that bad in his second term but not sure he makes a top 4 list.

[z0sa]

:lmao that's it and that's all tbh.....dude been in the Congress for dam near 50 yrs and hasn't accomplished shit...he is part of the establishment....he latched on to a populist socialist message and is spreading that shit like wild fire....its sickening to see this level of fraud tbh....he and Trump are charlatans in my view

Typical uneducated black Hillary voter.

[Cry Havoc]

Obama is the greatest president in World history

1. Obama
2. Lincoln
3. Clinton
4. Kennedy

You should really stick to basketball. It's what you only "suck" at, instead of being completely devoid of information.

[clambake]

Both...plus #4. i will never understand how Kennedy gets a pass from liberals for getting us balls deep into Vietnam.

Actually Clinton wasn't that bad in his second term but not sure he makes a top 4 list.

you know vietnam was in play before that election, right?

[RandomGuy]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRozOXdUYAAjyJt.jpg

I guess we have to have our priorities?

[CosmicCowboy]

you know vietnam was in play before that election, right?

A few "advisors". The assassination and escalation was on Kennedy's watch.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

A few "advisors". The assassination and escalation was on Kennedy's watch.

This is pretty ignorant to what the Eisenhower administration was doing. Kissinger had been cooking up the conflict long before Kennedy.

[CosmicCowboy]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRozOXdUYAAjyJt.jpg

I guess we have to have our priorities?


who says it's either/or? Nice straw man though.

[CosmicCowboy]

This is pretty ignorant to what the Eisenhower administration was doing. Kissinger had been cooking up the conflict long before Kennedy.

the dates don't lie.

:lmao at fuxzy calling ME ignorant.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

the dates don't lie.

:lmao at fuxzy calling ME ignorant.

We started propping up the south vietnamese in the 1950s. Google vietnam eisenhauer or domino theory


In February 1954, President Eisenhower refused to commit American troops to the Franco-Vietnamese War. In a press conference he stated, "I cannot conceive of a greater tragedy for America than to get heavily involved now in an all-out war in any of those regions."2 By April, however, his administration revisited the question of direct intervention in the war. Though he sent no U.S. troops to the region, he authorized military aid to the French. After France surrendered to the Viet Minh, Eisenhower's administration aided anti-communist leader Ngo Dinh Diem in consolidating power in Saigon. Throughout his second term as president, Eisenhower remained committed to Diem's often-tyrannical regime.

http://www.shmoop.com/vietnam-war/dwight-d-eisenhower.html

continue on with your typical partisan mindlessness.

[101A]

NM

[TeyshaBlue]

who says it's either/or? Nice straw man though.
Kinda a combo order of False Delima with a side of Historians Fallacy. Yummy.

[TeyshaBlue]

Kinda a combo order of False Delima with a side of Historians Fallacy. Yummy.
But, it's a meme so there's that.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

But, it's a meme so there's that.

Is there a GOP candidate that doesn't fit that dichotomy as opposed to Sanders? Perhaps if you don't personalize it and instead look at his actual opponents it becomes clear?

Listening to Cruz talk about carpet bombing, Trump and the rest asking for military expansion and the fact that Hillary voted for the war while they all are against his college tuition plan is what it is.

[InRareForm]

Memes are getting annoying. No one reads anymore. They just post a meme on Facebook and think they are amart.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Memes are getting annoying. No one reads anymore. They just post a meme on Facebook and think they are amart.

It appeals to the LCD. AT least you don't bitch about people 'trying to be smart.'

[CosmicCowboy]

We started propping up the south vietnamese in the 1950s. Google vietnam eisenhauer or domino theory



http://www.shmoop.com/vietnam-war/dwight-d-eisenhower.html

continue on with your typical partisan mindlessness.

:lmao

...and Diem was assassinated with CIA backing under Kennedy's watch and Kennedy escalated to sending troops. Cherry pick much?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lmao

...and Diem was assassinated with CIA backing under Kennedy's watch and Kennedy escalated to sending troops. Cherry pick much?

I'm not the one being willfully ignorant of what happened before that. If you want me to defend any portion of Kissinger's foreign policy then please hold your breath.

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm not the one being willfully ignorant of what happened before that. If you want me to defend any portion of Kissinger's foreign policy then please hold your breath.

:lmao @ the fuzzy trying to exonerate Kennedy and blame Eisenhower. You choose the stupidest things to argue.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lmao @ the fuzzy trying to exonerate Kennedy and blame Eisenhower. You choose the stupidest things to argue.

Reading is tough. What do you think I meant when I said I am not going to defend any of the Kissinger era foreign policy? My point was the issues transcended partisan politics.

You don't have any clue at all, fattie.

[CosmicCowboy]

Reading is tough. What do you think I meant when I said I am not going to defend any of the Kissinger era foreign policy? My point was the issues transcended partisan politics.

You don't have any clue at all, fattie.

what a stupid fuck

This is where I first mentioned Kennedy


Both...plus #4. i will never understand how Kennedy gets a pass from liberals for getting us balls deep into Vietnam.

Actually Clinton wasn't that bad in his second term but not sure he makes a top 4 list.

Then, post after post you tried to blame Eisenhower, then after being cornered you say you don't defend Kennedy foreign policy.

It's what i said to start with, fuckwad.

[daslicer]

Obama is the greatest president in World history

1. Obama
2. Lincoln
3. Clinton
4. Kennedy

I haven't done much research on JFK but Obama and Clinton were definitely bought off by corporate interests. I can't see how you can say they are great when they have played a role in increasing inequality levels in this country. It's funny a guy who is obsessed with racial issues in here would have love for Clinton considering under his presidency he passed welfare reform which made it harder for blacks to get welfare and pass laws that have increased the rate of incarceration in the black community. You simply dislike Bernie because he has pretty much stated indirectly that Obama's presidency was a failure policy wise. Honestly I don't think Bernie will be able to do any of the things he says he's going to do simply because congress and the senate won't allow it. I'm not down with either party because both are pretty much the same to me outside of social issues. Both parties are owned by corporations.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

It appeals to the LCD. AT least you don't bitch about people 'trying to be smart.'

Hey fuzzy since you like to 420 BLAZE IT what do you think about Trumps views on marijuana?

PWIQhDbs1g8

[CosmicCowboy]

Hey fuzzy since you like to 420 BLAZE IT what do you think about Trumps views on marijuana?

PWIQhDbs1g8

I agree with Trumps position on marijuana.

Now Fuzzybrain will automatically choose the other side so he can argue more.

[RandomGuy]

who says it's either/or? Nice straw man though.

It really isn't an either/or. I agree. It is more a comment on our priorities.

We can do both. Why don't we?

If we are willing, as a nation to put up Trillions to "make us safe" on some stupid war, why can we not ensure that we invest in our next generation?

[Cry Havoc]

If we are willing, as a nation to put up Trillions to "make us safe" on some stupid war, why can we not ensure that we invest in our next generation?

Because the boomers paid for their own ludicrously cheap college, so they think everyone should have to. You know, despite the fact that the economic climate is nothing like it was in the 60s and 70s. Boomers aren't exactly the best at comprehension.

[baseline bum]

Because the boomers paid for their own ludicrously cheap college, so they think everyone should have to. You know, despite the fact that the economic climate is nothing like it was in the 60s and 70s. Boomers aren't exactly the best at comprehension.

I can't believe in-state tuition and fees come out to almost $10,000 a year at a piece of shit bottom of the barrel school like UTSA now.

[Cry Havoc]

I can't believe in-state tuition and fees come out to almost $10,000 a year at a piece of shit bottom of the barrel school like UTSA now.

My g/f's private school is now like $48k... a semester (she teaches there occasionally so she always stays up to date on the cost). Fucking insanity. Good school but what's even more unbelievable is that boomers refuse to acknowledge the differences. Must have been nice to grow up in the 50s and 60s when you could rent a nice place for 6 cents a day or buy a house on 3 month's salary.

[boutons_deux]

Because the boomers paid for their own ludicrously cheap college, so they think everyone should have to. You know, despite the fact that the economic climate is nothing like it was in the 60s and 70s. Boomers aren't exactly the best at comprehension.

the cost of college, even state colleges and community colleges has gone up just about as badly as medical care.

The 99% are getting fucked, wealth-sucked by all these big orgs, simply because they can.

[rmt]

I can't believe in-state tuition and fees come out to almost $10,000 a year at a piece of shit bottom of the barrel school like UTSA now.

Isn't is also around the same for a top-notch univ like UT-Austin?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I agree with Trumps position on marijuana.

Now Fuzzybrain will automatically choose the other side so he can argue more.

Look, man. I haven't voted for a dem in over a decade. I think GOP supports such as yourself are deluded and self-centered. That does not make your binary understanding true. There are more than two ways of political thinking; not being for the GOP does not mean I am pro Dem. It just means you have to dumb things down to understand them.

I hold the Eisenhower, Kennedy and LBJ administrations all responsable thus me saying it transcends your partisan stupidity. Me telling you to look up the Eisenhower admin when you try and heap all the blame onto Kennedy does not mean I am saying Kennedy is innocent.

If anyone here is a partisan hack, its the guy who thinks Ailes news company isn't biased. Fair and balanced my ass, fattie.

[baseline bum]

Isn't is also around the same for a top-notch univ like UT-Austin?

UT's not top notch unless for grad school, but the prices are pretty similar.

[rmt]

UT's not top notch unless for grad school, but the prices are pretty similar.

Don't these count? And UT Austin Computer Science undergrad pretty much gets in the same pile as MIT, Stanford, Carnegie Mellon for internships at Google, FB, MS, Amazon (not only grad students which is #9).

Tie #7 Best Undergraduate Business Programs

#1
Accounting
#6
Finance
#10
Insurance
#7
Management
#5
Management Information Systems
#5
Marketing
#11
Production / Operations Management
#9
Quantitative Analysis
#8
Real Estate
#11
Supply Chain Management / Logistics


#11
Tie
Best Undergraduate Engineering Programs
At schools whose highest degree is a doctorate

#10
Tie
Aerospace / Aeronautical / Astronautical
At schools whose highest degree is a doctorate

#4
Chemical
At schools whose highest degree is a doctorate

#6
Civil
At schools whose highest degree is a doctorate

#8
Computer
At schools whose highest degree is a doctorate

#8
Electrical / Electronic / Communications
At schools whose highest degree is a doctorate

#5
Environmental / Environmental Health
At schools whose highest degree is a doctorate

#10
Mechanical
At schools whose highest degree is a doctorate

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/the-university-of-texas-at-austin-228778/overall-rankings

[hitmanyr2k]

Say what you want about Sanders but he's been consistent and absolutely correct on major issues over the last two decades that have had a serious negative impact on this country. I don't think it's all about "free stuff". His policies are extreme and will never see the light of day because they'll never get through Congress anyway but he's been speaking for the people for the last two decades and that's why his message is getting across now. He was the one sounding the alarms for years while the other braindead politicians were asleep at the wheel or being bought pushing through deregulation, voting for dumb wars, ignoring what wall street was doing, etc.

Clinton's repeal of the the Glass Steagall Act was a monumental fuck up. Bernie "Nostradamus" Sanders voted against it and predicted the consequences in fire and brimstone right down to the last detail. This stupid decision snow-balled into catastrophe and under a Sanders presidency this shit wouldn't have happened.

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The main thing Sanders warned everyone about over and over and over was throughout the 2000's was Wall street and their gambling with tax payer money and he predicted it would be the American people to bail them out when it all came crashing down. And when the 2008 crash happened every dummy in America was shocked about Americans losing all their shit....except Bernie because he was telling everyone and their mother what was going on for almost a decade and the dullards never listened. And guess where 800 billion in tax dollars went? To wall street and the big banks just as he predicted. Some of those CEOs laughed to the Cayman Islands with millions in bonuses for running their banks into the ground while regular Americans lost their jobs, homes, and retirement. This wouldn't have happened under a Sanders presidency.

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The Iraq war. Bernie had the guts to vote against the Iraq war when it was very unpopular to do so after 9/11. Dumb Americans wanted blood and spineless politicians (Hillary included) bowed down to peer pressure because they thought Americans would think they were weak if they didn't fall in line. Sanders didn't believe what the Bush administration was selling and called out every single thing that could go wrong from rushing into conflict. And guess what? Everything he said happened :lol He had the foresight to vote against a stupid war which cost us 2+ trillion in war spending, 5000 American lives (thousands more injured and maimed), and de-stabilized the middle east which as a consequence we're still pouring money and resources into never-ending conflicts this very day.

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These dumb decisions have cost this country trillions of dollars and ruined millions of lives along the way. This dude has been calling it right all along and it's like people are just now starting to listen to the angry old man lol.

[RandomGuy]

Because the boomers paid for their own ludicrously cheap college, so they think everyone should have to. You know, despite the fact that the economic climate is nothing like it was in the 60s and 70s. Boomers aren't exactly the best at comprehension.

+1

It is hard to get people to realize that the world has changed.

[CosmicCowboy]

As I remember it, my tuition/fees was about $400 per hour.

Then again, minimum wage was $1,25 too.

how is the ratio that different now?

I'm seeing tuition/fees at UTSA to be $624 per hour with a $7.50 minimum wage.

[rmt]

As I remember it, my tuition/fees was about $400 per hour.

Then again, minimum wage was $1,25 too.

how is the ratio that different now?

I'm seeing tuition/fees at UTSA to be $624 per hour with a $7.50 minimum wage.

College prices vary widely. But as I posted above, one can have a nation-class education at UT-Austin for around $10k a year - that's a bargain. University of Florida has yearly tuition of $6+K - very reasonable. A lot is about the choices people make (sometimes from lack of knowledge) or how they choose to spend their money. Now if you want to complain why some of the lesser state universities are the same tuition as the flagships - that's another argument.

[Koolaid_Man]

Dude y'all really want me to go in on Bernie...who is like literally 3 coughs from death....a muthafucker that look like he's an extra on The Walking Dead?

Ok wait then I will....y'all done fucked up now

[Cry Havoc]

As I remember it, my tuition/fees was about $400 per hour.

Then again, minimum wage was $1,25 too.

how is the ratio that different now?

I'm seeing tuition/fees at UTSA to be $624 per hour with a $7.50 minimum wage.

What year did you go to college?

[Wild Cobra]

What year did you go to college?

Appears it was when dinosaurs roamed the earth.

[baseline bum]

As I remember it, my tuition/fees was about $400 per hour.

Then again, minimum wage was $1,25 too.

how is the ratio that different now?

I'm seeing tuition/fees at UTSA to be $624 per hour with a $7.50 minimum wage.

Are comparing a good private school to lol UTSA?

[baseline bum]

The College Board estimates $9410 for tuition + fees (http://www.collegedata.com/cs/content/content_payarticle_tmpl.jhtml?articleId=10064) for a full time student at an in-state public university. So if you work for minimum wage of $7.25 an hour (let's just forget payroll taxes exist) that's a little less than 26 hours a week to pay it, assuming a 50 week work year. Now the national center for education statistics has the average cost of tuition + fees at $327 (https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d07/tables/dt07_320.asp) for a four year university to pay for the school year 1965-66 when minimum wage was $1.25, which works out to about 5.2 hours a week assuming a 50 week work year. So that seems a pretty hefty discrepancy, work five times as hard to pay for your school now.

[CosmicCowboy]

Comparing a mid 70's state school tuition. The game was, the tuition was "cheap" in the 200's but the mandatory fees were as much as the tuition.

[CosmicCowboy]

The College Board estimates $9410 for tuition + fees (http://www.collegedata.com/cs/content/content_payarticle_tmpl.jhtml?articleId=10064) for a full time student at an in-state public university. So if you work for minimum wage of $7.25 an hour (let's just forget payroll taxes exist) that's a little less than 26 hours a week to pay it, assuming a 50 week work year. Now the national center for education statistics has the average cost of tuition + fees at $327 (https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d07/tables/dt07_320.asp) for a four year university to pay for the school year 1965-66 when minimum wage was $1.25, which works out to about 5.2 hours a week assuming a 50 week work year. So that seems a pretty hefty discrepancy, work five times as hard to pay for your school now.

Could be right. I remember it as being a lot. I know I made more money than anyone else my age I knew in the summertime as a framing contractor and lived in a shithole and ate ramen to scrape by after paying for tuition, fees, and books.

[rmt]

Could be right. I remember it as being a lot. I know I made more money than anyone else my age I knew in the summertime as a framing contractor and lived in a shithole and ate ramen to scrape by after paying for tuition, fees, and books.

And you didn't have a phone and internet connection to pay for.

[CosmicCowboy]

And you didn't have a phone and internet connection to pay for.

or a car. I rode a bike everywhere.

[RandomGuy]

As I remember it, my tuition/fees was about $400 per hour.

Then again, minimum wage was $1,25 too.

how is the ratio that different now?

I'm seeing tuition/fees at UTSA to be $624 per hour with a $7.50 minimum wage.

I doubt it was $400 per hour when you went to college.

http://utsa.wikia.com/wiki/Tuition_rates

Try $4-18

Gives per hour tuition rates, with adjustments for inflation.

The ratio is far, far smaller (meaning the cost of tuition compared to the amount of money from one hour of minimum wage labor) today than it was at that time.

12 hours of labor would pay for one hour in the 70's/80's (16/1.25)
28 hours of labor would pay for one hour in 2012 (200/7)

Given the constant inflation of tuition, with the unchanging nature of minimum wage, that gap widens every year.

(edit)
Didn't check what minimum wage was in 70-80, just ran with 1.25 figure.-RG

[CosmicCowboy]

I think we all agree that a degree from a 4 year institution is ridiculously expensive.

I know that I had to have 147 hours for my hybrid degree plan and half of those hours were worthless crap that I resented the hell out of having to take/pay for.

[rmt]

I think we all agree that a degree from a 4 year institution is ridiculously expensive.

I know that I had to have 147 hours for my hybrid degree plan and half of those hours were worthless crap that I resented the hell out of having to take/pay for.

Exactly 120 credits for me - not one more than necessary.

[rmt]

Had to walk (no buses on Sundays) and camp out 2 hours early in front of the Rec Center TV to make sure I had "control" of the TV to watch French Open Finals. No TV channels at my apt except ABC and PBS. Listened to Atlanta Braves games on the radio.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Hey fuzzy since you like to 420 BLAZE IT what do you think about Trumps views on marijuana?

PWIQhDbs1g8

I think that seeing how agriculture inherently is a federal issue due to distribution that he has no legal standing. I get what he is doing appealing to libertarian notions of federalism but unless he is talking about dismantling the DEA and the FDA scheduling, he doesn't have a grasp on the issue that I want.

[SnakeBoy]

Look, man. I haven't voted for a dem in over a decade. I think GOP supports such as yourself are deluded and self-centered. That does not make your binary understanding true. There are more than two ways of political thinking; not being for the GOP does not mean I am pro Dem. It just means you have to dumb things down to understand them.


So who did you vote for in the last 2 potus cycles?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So who did you vote for in the last 2 potus cycles?

Libertarian. Clinton/Gore demonstrated very clearly that the dems were not the party for me. Obama and his bullshit has all but cemented it; he is a classic Chicago politician. The southern strategy and good ole boy migration as well as the god delusion make the GOP a nonstarter.

My outlook on political parties is to dismantle the two party hegemony. I vote in the GOP primary which is the real election where I live anyway so I use the general to give support to 3rd parties.