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spursistan
02-10-2016, 04:17 PM
http://nyloncalculus.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/9/2016/02/PTPM-top-30-2-2-1.png

http://nyloncalculus.com/2016/02/04/player-tracking-plus-minus-pt-pm-top-thirty/


Over the last couple of years I have developed my own player metric called Player Tracking Plus Minus (PT-PM), a statistical plus-minus model that uses both SportVU data and traditional box score statistics to estimate players’ contributions on both offense and defense1. A key thing to keep in mind is that like any “one number” stat the PT-PM metric gives a general estimate of player value, in this case balancing different contributions or detrimental plays on offense and defense. PT-PM is also half of the blend I use for my preseason team wins projections, which scored well both last year and so far this year compared to other analytic models, Vegas or the ESPN Summer forecast.




No shocker that Steph Curry is the top player in the league his scoring rating is completely off the charts and he is basically above average at everything other than rebounding.
Kawhi Leonard comes in second with a balanced offensive and defensive game.
Manu Ginobili and Denver rookie Nikola Jokic emphasize the importance of playing time as their per 40 numbers put them in the top ten, but as part time players in this late stage for Ginobili or early stage for Jokic, drops each a notch or three.
Key element on for the top thirty is performing well on both sides of the ball. Only Blake Griffin and Klay Thompson score below average on defense and no players in the top thirty score a negative on offense.
James Harden and Isaiah Thomas narrowly miss the top thirty due to defensive rating.



As always some great stuff from Nylon Calculus..Freaking amazing how effective and net positive Manu can still be at soon to be 39 in wing-dominant league :wow..

Diego20
02-10-2016, 06:35 PM
inb4 ducks:

"manu plays against other teams bench"

UNT Eagles 2016
02-10-2016, 07:52 PM
inb4 ducks:

"manu plays against other teams bench"

Com vs Cop is dead. Long dead. This isn't 2011.

hater
02-10-2016, 08:00 PM
:lol as good as Nikola Jockitch :lol

Uriel
02-10-2016, 10:23 PM
He also ranks #31 in ESPN's Real-Plus Minus, ahead of every Spur not named Kawhi and Tim. His absence is the primary reason why our bench has been unable to inflate leads, the way it usually does.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM

BatManu20
02-10-2016, 10:24 PM
Most underrated player ever, tbh.

gambit1990
02-10-2016, 10:30 PM
Most underrated player ever, tbh.

BSfromTX
02-10-2016, 10:54 PM
Most underrated player ever, tbh.


+1

SpurPadre
02-10-2016, 11:49 PM
Most underrated player ever, tbh.

And that still would be the case even if Pop didn't have him on the bench for most of his career.

daledondale
02-10-2016, 11:50 PM
Most underrated player ever, tbh.

in2deep
02-11-2016, 12:12 AM
we don't miss him

I said we wouldn't when he went down

Pocho La Pantera
02-11-2016, 08:34 AM
Most underrated player ever, tbh.

itsamanuthree
02-11-2016, 09:11 AM
Most underrated player ever, tbh.

hater
02-11-2016, 09:36 AM
we don't miss him

I said we wouldn't when he went down