Einstein Proven Correct Again Re: Gravity Waves

[FuzzyLumpkins]

For months, the science world has been buzzing about the rumor that gravitational waves, the ripples in spacetime that Einstein predicted a hundred years ago, have finally been detected. Today, at press conferences all over the world, researchers at the Laser Interferometer Gravitational-Wave Observatory (LIGO, a pair of observatories located in Washington and Louisiana) confirmed that the hype is true.

"Ladies and gentlemen, we have detected gravitational waves," announced LIGO director David Reitze this morning. "We did it." On September 14 of last year, the LIGO location in Livingston, Louisiana picked up a gravitational-wave signal, and seven milliseconds later, its fellow observatory in Hanford, Washington detected an identical signal. This signal exactly matched the calculated behavior of gravitational waves produced when two black holes collide.

http://www.popsci.com/its-official-ligo-found-gravitational-waves?src=SOC&dom=fb

[lefty]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=257161&p=8420659#post8420659

[Koolaid_Man]

He also believed in God , incest, and child molestation tbh

[FuzzyLumpkins]

In a landmark discorvery, ripples in space and time first hypothesized by physicist Albert Einstein a century ago have been detected, with scientists suggesting that the observation of these gravitational waves could now open a new window for studying the cosmos.

The researchers said they detected gravitational waves coming from two black holes —extraordinarily dense objects whose existence also was foreseen by Einstein — that orbited one another, spiraled inward and smashed together. They said the waves were the product of a collision between two black holes 30 times as massive as the Sun, located 1.3 billion light years from Earth.

The scientific milestone was achieved using a pair of giant laser detectors in the United States, located in Louisiana and Washington state, capping a long quest to confirm the existence of these waves.

The announcement was made in Washington by scientists from the California Institute of Technology, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and the LIGO Scientific Collaboration.

Gravity travels in waves, like light and other forms of radiation. But with gravitational waves it is space itself that is rippling.

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2016/2/11/scientists-detect-einsteins-gravitational-waves.html

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He also believed in God , incest, and child molestation tbh

What does Avante have to do with this?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What I find interesting is that if space itself ripples like the 'particles' we observe, it lends credence to analysis in >3 dimensions and a better defined framework as our 'framework' is not static.

[baseline bum]

Shit, I didn't see this thread when I posted the news in another thread here. It blows me away they can detect something so small.

[baseline bum]

http://www.popsci.com/its-official-ligo-found-gravitational-waves?src=SOC&dom=fb

I can't believe how many of Einstein's predictions have come true: the photon, the speed of light being the same in any reference frame, the existence of black holes, gravitational redshift, Bose-Einstein condensates, the cosmological constant, and now gravitational waves. I'm starting to think the man was even greater than Newton. His views on quantum theory notwithstanding (but then again Newton was an alchemist).

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I can't believe how many of Einstein's predictions have come true: the photon, the speed of light being the same in any reference frame, the existence of black holes, gravitational redshift, Bose-Einstein condensates, the cosmological constant, and now gravitational waves. I'm starting to think the man was even greater than Newton. His views on quantum theory notwithstanding (but then again Newton was an alchemist).

He just didn't like the lack of actual mechanics in QM. He was a type 5 and believed in a greater construct. He could clearly see something that most people struggle to even get a glimpse of.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Newton had the courage to think outside the box and the fortune to be born in England. The Prussian Euler was banished to Moscow. I think he is the equal of both.

[baseline bum]

He just didn't like the lack of actual mechanics in QM. He was a type 5 and believed in a greater construct. He could clearly see something that most people struggle to even get a glimpse of.

I really don't know what you mean here by lack of mechanics. Can you explain?

[baseline bum]

I can't complain too much about Einstein not being on board with QM though. The idea that the state of an object is a probabilistic wavefunction that collapses into an eigenfunction when any kind of measurement is done is pretty hard to swallow now, I can't imagine what it must have been like in the 1920s.

[baseline bum]

And Einstein's discovery of special relativity seemed to be because of a faith he had that the laws of the universe were simple. E.g., that you couldn't have Galiean relativity hold for mechanical phenomena and then not have relativistic invariance for electromagnetic phenomena like the propagation of light too. I guess wavefunctions and randomized collapse didn't seem like a simple law of physics to him.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I really don't know what you mean here by lack of mechanics. Can you explain?

well I can explain probability matrixes but I cannot explain spooky action at a distance or why electrons manifest in that manner. Compare that to Einstein or Newton who used geometric constructs and intuitive notions of proportion/time to come to their conclusions. You can follow Einstein's wave theory or Newton's projectile motion from start to finish. QM seems to backdoor into the answer.

It works absolutely no doubt but the why is the biggest issue. It's why the two realms have not been formulaically combined.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And Einstein's discovery of special relativity seemed to be because of a faith he had that the laws of the universe were simple. E.g., that you couldn't have Galiean relativity hold for mechanical phenomena and then not have relativistic invariance for electromagnetic phenomena like the propagation of light too. I guess wavefunctions and randomized collapse didn't seem like a simple law of physics to him.

I wouldn't say simple but instead that they followed an underlying construct. He was a classic type 5 personality.

[baseline bum]

well I can explain probability matrixes but I cannot explain spooky action at a distance or why electrons manifest in that manner. Compare that to Einstein or Newton who used geometric constructs and intuitive notions of proportion/time to come to their conclusions. You can follow Einstein's wave theory or Newton's projectile motion from start to finish. QM seems to backdoor into the answer.

It works absolutely no doubt but the why is the biggest issue. It's why the two realms have not been formulaically combined.

Spooky action is a bit more advanced than I have studied. :lol I just did infinite well, harmonic oscillator, central potentials, hydrogen atom, etc. Is there a good reason for a why though? Something deeper than quantum mechanics? Is it like asking why there is inertia?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I can't complain too much about Einstein not being on board with QM though. The idea that the state of an object is a probabilistic wavefunction that collapses into an eigenfunction when any kind of measurement is done is pretty hard to swallow now, I can't imagine what it must have been like in the 1920s.

Eigen Matrices and the entire notion of eigen solutions speaks to a symmetry and when you start looking at the poles and start analyzing them doing those extractions or whatever they're called I cannot help but think we are only scratching the surface. they've gone back to shapes just like Euler and all them to make it work. VSPR theory is another clue.

I have a good friend who is a grad student at Cambridge now and we talk about that shit constantly while we game.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Spooky action is a bit more advanced than I have studied. :lol I just did infinite well, harmonic oscillator, central potentials, hydrogen atom, etc. Is there a good reason for a why though? Something deeper than quantum mechanics? Is it like asking why there is inertia?

Higgs has an answer. His boson. The particle, or its potential, is the pinning that manifests inertial behavior. I can handle particle physics and wave/field theory. Quantum entanglement just blows my fucking mind.

[pgardn]

Personally I find the experiments designed to prove or disprove or say we just don't know as creative as the ideas themselves. Even though many experiments are terribly expensive and quite bulky. Some of the first ones were quite elegant though.

And Einstein did not predict all the consequences of his work, others have looked closer and have done the "this must mean" stuff... I think if he were alive he would be quite blown away by all of it.

[spurraider21]

Higgs has an answer. His boson. The particle, or its potential, is the pinning that manifests inertial behavior. I can handle particle physics and wave/field theory. Quantum entanglement just blows my fucking mind.
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[SpursforSix]

Shit, I didn't see this thread when I posted the news in another thread here. It blows me away they can detect something so small.

Idk...Judy was able to get pregnant with Mason.

[pgardn]

My mind is blown when I don't know enough math to go with the idea.

I am not naturally a math guy, I just like it. The ideas in physics lead me to the math. I take a look at the math and see the utility in describing the idea and it is fulfilling. All the shows and books produced and considered popular where the math is glossed over is not pleasing at all . Hawking's popular books do not resonate with me.

Needless to say mechanics and classical physics are more pleasing for me personally. And special relativity. But QM is still baffling. The ideas are not that difficult even though very counter intuitive in many cases. But I can't revel in it because the math is beyond me.

[baseline bum]

My mind is blown when I don't know enough math to go with the idea.

I am not naturally a math guy, I just like it. The ideas in physics lead me to the math. I take a look at the math and see the utility in describing the idea and it is fulfilling. All the shows and books produced and considered popular where the math is glossed over is not pleasing at all . Hawking's popular books do not resonate with me.

Needless to say mechanics and classical physics are more pleasing for me personally. And special relativity. But QM is still baffling. The ideas are not that difficult even though very counter intuitive in many cases. But I can't revel in it because the math is beyond me.

GR seems more difficult mathematically than intro QM by a mile, and E&M is no walk in the park.

[pgardn]

GR seems more difficult mathematically than intro QM by a mile, and E&M is no walk in the park.

EM is weird but I have fiddled enough with some stuff I kinda got it.
Maxwell is not given enough credit IMO, or Faraday. I took intro to QM in college and got by without really getting it. Thermo made sense.

I am a biochemistry guy, the physics part is sort of a hobby and I need some of it for my job. I only had to take 2 semesters of physical chemistry.

[baseline bum]

EM is weird but I have fiddled enough with some stuff I kinda got it.
Maxwell is not given enough credit IMO, or Faraday. I took intro to QM in college and got by without really getting it. Thermo made sense.

I am a biochemistry guy, the physics part is sort of a hobby and I need some of it for my job. I only had to take 2 semesters of physical chemistry.

Man, if they made Faraday's life into a movie everyone would think it was Hollywood bullshit. Unbelievable he became the greatest living physicist and chemist with no formal education and a weaker mathematics knowledge than most college freshmen.

[pgardn]

Man, if they made Faraday's life into a movie everyone would think it was Hollywood bullshit. Unbelievable he became the greatest living physicist and chemist with no formal education and a weaker mathematics knowledge than most college freshmen.

I read a book about Faraday and Maxwell that was very good. Faraday was a relentless experimental scientist. He also had some great models in his head that he wrote down and Maxwell some how was able to interpret them and put them into the language of math. I think these two together really helped solidify the ideas of fields and waves.

And here we are today still using these models fairly usefully.

[TDMVPDPOY]

so knowing all this shit, what benefit is it for mankind?

[pgardn]

so knowing all this shit, what benefit is it for mankind?

This shit allows you to send information to let us know how little you think of all this shit.

Why do scientific findings have to immediately benefit mankind? You think when the behavior of electricity and magnetism were described it should immediately lead to computers and wifi?

[DMC]

so knowing all this shit, what benefit is it for mankind?
lol like you give a fuck about mankind

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I've always thought that without at least a 4th dimension quantum entanglement doesn't makes sense. The ballistic nature of space-time only furthers that resolve.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

so knowing all this shit, what benefit is it for mankind?

Well wave theory in the form of laplace and fourier transforms is the basis of thermodynamics, modeling, signal processing and most of modern engineering. Probability matrices are used to make bombs and reactors. Quantum states are studied in superconducting applications. Quantum entanglement would allow instantaneous communication regardless of distance.

Then there is the existential question of why the universe is how it is and how we relate to it. You seem like the type that reads/has read comic books. Reed Richards, Beast and others are constantly speculating on it. It's led to sci-fi and fantasy story telling.

That is just off the top of my head. Really just use your imagination.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Man, if they made Faraday's life into a movie everyone would think it was Hollywood bullshit. Unbelievable he became the greatest living physicist and chemist with no formal education and a weaker mathematics knowledge than most college freshmen.

Depends on how they put it. He understood cartesian coordinates, proportions, and orthogonality. He just didn't have mathematical rigor to write out their proofs the way they want. Quite frankly the old papist notions of irrationality, real versus 'extended real,' infinity and the like would have likely just slowed him down. He was clear enough that Maxwell formalized it and of course because they liked to circle jerk, he got most of the credit.

Math lost its way in the 18th century. I get how primes and the notion of a quantum minimum are in harmony but they way they approach it they don't seem to really give a shit what is actually real or not.