Rockets trying to trade wrong player. Should trade Harden

[Indazone]

"We're broken. It's that simple," Bickerstaff said after Wednesday's loss to the Portland Trail Blazers (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/por/portland-trail-blazers), which pushed the Rockets out of the eighth and final seed in the West playoffs at the break. "We're a broken team, and we all need to use this break to figure out how we're going to impact change. If we don't want to impact change, then we need to be made aware of that, too, and we'll go in a different direction.
"We can't continue to go out and play this way. It's easy to see it's a fragmented bunch. You can't win that way."

As Bickerstaff hinted, Houston GM Daryl Morey could shake up the roster with the trade deadline a week away. Reports Thursday indicated the Rockets have been calling teams about trading (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14761632/houston-rockets-start-trade-talks-dwight-howard) center Dwight Howard (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2384/dwight-howard), who can become an unrestricted free agent this summer.
But mounting evidence suggests that the real problem isn't Howard or any of Houston's role players. Instead, it's the one player the Rockets presumably wouldn't consider trading: superstar shooting guard James Harden (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3992/james-harden).
As preposterous as it sounds, trading Harden might be the only way to fix a broken team.



http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/rockets-trade-harden-trades-work/story?id=36881518

Personally, I would take my chances with DeAngelo Russell who is wasting away with Byron Scott and give the Lakeshow the Superstar they crave with the exit of Kobe Bryant. Lakers would be broken for years! :lol

[djohn2oo8]

Yet you want to pay Dwight 30 million until he is 35? Dumb

And :lol Deangelo Russell.

[apalisoc_9]

Tough decision for houston. Howard isnt going to stay s its dumb to trade Harden.

The problem with Harden though is tha superstars should attract other stars but with Hardens reputation this year..its going to be impossible to get another UFA star.

Really a choice between blowing it up or average ball for the next 6 years...unless they develop players internally or they make a winning trade.

Thing is, Harden is still a top 7-10 player in the league thiugh so it makes sense to keep him and hope.for a trade.

[lefty]

They should get a new GM, trade both Dwert and Harden and rebuild

[Arcadian]

:lol "clutch city"

[djohn2oo8]

They should get a new GM, trade both Dwert and Harden and rebuild

Therin lies the problem. They have a dipshit owner who doesnt want to rebuild. Morey gets flak for chasing stars, Alexander should as well (Pippen trade, Barkley, McGrady)

[djohn2oo8]

If you trade Harden might as well wait til the offseason. You arent getting much for either right now.

[baseline bum]

Therin lies the problem. They have a dipshit owner who doesnt want to rebuild. Morey gets flak for chasing stars, Alexander should as well (Pippen trade, Barkley, McGrady)

Man the McGrady trade was a steal. Steve Francis is one of the worst point guards I have ever seen, so getting McGrady for him was an unbelievably good trade.

[DMC]

If you trade Harden no one is coming to play alongside Howard. Harden can pull some talent from other areas, maybe KD, maybe Melo, maybe Lamar Odom... wait, probably not Odom.

[DMC]

:lol "clutch city"
Describes their ass cheeks come playoff time.

[Indazone]

Harden is really Steve Francis 2.0 Dribble dribble dribble, pass

He's just like Baron Davis minus the creaky knees but no team ever won with Baron Davis either.

Harden should be a centerpiece of the NBA's all time most unmotivated players list.

Nobody is ever winning a chip with Harden as the centerpiece. There I said it!

[djohn2oo8]

Harden is really Steve Francis 2.0 Dribble dribble dribble, pass

He's just like Baron Davis minus the creaky knees but no team ever won with Baron Davis either.

Harden should be a centerpiece of the NBA's all time most unmotivated players list.

Nobody is ever winning a chip with Harden as the centerpiece. There I said it!

Except Harden is a better passer and scorer than Francis, who averaged 6 assists a game as a PG :lol

Besides the fact Francis had Mobley and Yao and couldnt win a playoff series. Harden should get blame, Morey should get blame as well for trying his bullshit 3 ball crap and hiring a puppet coach. Lawson turned out to be a bust but I guess you blame Harden for that too.

Morey has been godawful at addressing the PF spot. Jones is garbage. Motiejunas has chronic issues. That spot has held the team back for years now and it still hasnt been addressed. You can say Harden is unmotivated and i will agree. Who lets him get away with that? Oh yeah, Daryl. And his job is in jeopardy btw.

[Killakobe81]

Harden is really Steve Francis 2.0 Dribble dribble dribble, pass

He's just like Baron Davis minus the creaky knees but no team ever won with Baron Davis either.

Harden should be a centerpiece of the NBA's all time most unmotivated players list.

Nobody is ever winning a chip with Harden as the centerpiece. There I said it!

Well, well, well. It only took 1.5 seasons for you to come to the same conclusion I made long ago.. I told you , Deeps, Djohn anyone that would listen with those two as your #1 and #2 you were not going to win shit. And although you were in a much better spot than we were (still are) if winning titles was the goal paying non true franchise players max money, in the end would leave you still stuck a the 2 or 3 (i forget if Moses got y'all one).

Now I still think if you got a legit #1 one of the two should be salvageable so normally you keep the younger guy (harden) and hope the right coach and that real #1 can lead the way. I am surprised some Rox fans want to get rid of both ...

[djohn2oo8]

Well, well, well. It only took 1.5 seasons for you to come to the same conclusion I made long ago.. I told you , Deeps, Djohn anyone that would listen with those two as your #1 and #2 you were not going to win shit. And although you were in a much better spot than we were (still are) if winning titles was the goal paying non true franchise players max money, in the end would leave you still stuck a the 2 or 3 (i forget if Moses got y'all one).

Now I still think if you got a legit #1 one of the two should be salvageable so normally you keep the younger guy (harden) and hope the right coach and that real #1 can lead the way. I am surprised some Rox fans want to get rid of both ...
They just need a real coach, a roster built the right way, and Morey and Les to get out of the way. I say try again for this reason. Anthony Davis has led the Pelicans where? So its not guaranteed you will find that guy in the draft either.

[djohn2oo8]

I also wonder about the fact why Harden came into the season out of shape in a year Dwight is going to opt out. If KD were to come (which he wont) , Dwight would need to go. Maybe thats whats happening. Whatever though, just glad he dumped Khloe.

[Killakobe81]

They just need a real coach, a roster built the right way, and Morey and Les to get out of the way. I say try again for this reason. Anthony Davis has led the Pelicans where? So its not guaranteed you will find that guy in the draft either.

I agree. Howard is the one that needs to be traded despite the problems with Harden's game ... the right coach (with support of the FO)should be able to get Harden on track.. The thing is ... I saw Harden try on defense for coach K and after a summer of Vines and IG's showing his horrible defense. He can play better. I think he is buying the beard hype and and the players voted me MVP hype. When he is on he is filthy 1 on 1. For example. The Dubs could do NOTHING to stop him when he got rolling the other night but it was all Harden iso ...a better coach has to find a way to harness his game because We also saw Harden the facilitator early on when he killed GSW in pnr with some great passing early. He used to do the same for OKC bench units and in the clutch just ask the spur fans about the backdoor sweep. Rox need that version of Harden not the iso king one we see now.

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol 2nd seed....

[djohn2oo8]

I agree. Howard is the one that needs to be traded despite the problems with Harden's game the right coach (with support of the FO). The thing wa sI saw Harden try on defense for coach K and after a summer of Vines and IG's showing his horrible defense. He can play better. I think he is buying the beard hype and and the players voted me MVP hype. When he is on he is filthy. The Dubs could do NOTHING to stop him when he got rolling the other night but it was all Harden iso ...a better coach has to find a way to harness his game because We also saw Harden the facilitator early on when he killed GSW in pnr with some great passing early. He used to do the same for OKC bench units and in the clutch just ask the spur fans about the backdoor sweep. Rox need that version of Harden not the iso king one we see now.

This. I think the Kardashian hype got to his head too. Needs to get in the gym with no distractions. Now, if they get a real coach and it doesnt get better, then trade him. Both management and Harden need to get better together. Yeah Harden has his best season last year when he played for Thibs and coach K. So he can do it. Kelvin Sampson was a guy that would get results out of him. Wish he never left.

[djohn2oo8]

lol 2nd seed....

Just hope LaMarcus doesnt get his asshole wrecked against Draymond again.

[Raven]

"We're broken. It's that simple," Bickerstaff said after Wednesday's loss to the Portland Trail Blazers (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/por/portland-trail-blazers), which pushed the Rockets out of the eighth and final seed in the West playoffs at the break. "We're a broken team, and we all need to use this break to figure out how we're going to impact change. If we don't want to impact change, then we need to be made aware of that, too, and we'll go in a different direction.
"We can't continue to go out and play this way. It's easy to see it's a fragmented bunch. You can't win that way."

As Bickerstaff hinted, Houston GM Daryl Morey could shake up the roster with the trade deadline a week away. Reports Thursday indicated the Rockets have been calling teams about trading (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14761632/houston-rockets-start-trade-talks-dwight-howard) center Dwight Howard (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2384/dwight-howard), who can become an unrestricted free agent this summer.
But mounting evidence suggests that the real problem isn't Howard or any of Houston's role players. Instead, it's the one player the Rockets presumably wouldn't consider trading: superstar shooting guard James Harden (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3992/james-harden).
As preposterous as it sounds, trading Harden might be the only way to fix a broken team.



http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/rockets-trade-harden-trades-work/story?id=36881518

Personally, I would take my chances with DeAngelo Russell who is wasting away with Byron Scott and give the Lakeshow the Superstar they crave with the exit of Kobe Bryant. Lakers would be broken for years! :lol

this has to be the most laughable statement in spurstalk history, and that' saying something.

[djohn2oo8]

this has to be the most laughable statement in spurstalk history, and that' saying something.

He is a laughable poster.

[Koolaid_Man]

This. I think the Kardashian hype got to his head too. Needs to get in the gym with no distractions. Now, if they get a real coach and it doesnt get better, then trade him. Both management and Harden need to get better together. Yeah Harden has his best season last year when he played for Thibs and coach K. So he can do it. Kelvin Sampson was a guy that would get results out of him. Wish he never left.


Your bitch ass should have listened to Kobe now you got muthafucking egg on your ugly ass gotdam face....good for your retarded ass think you're Mr. know it all....suck on an egg bitch....I hope Dwight re-signs and fuck yall some more :lmao

[djohn2oo8]

Your bitch ass should have listened to Kobe now you got muthafucking egg on your ugly ass gotdam face....good for your retarded ass think you're Mr. know it all....suck on an egg bitch....I hope Dwight re-signs and fuck yall some more :lmao

How have your lottery picks panned out? The fine example of the downside to tanking. People who cant draft.

[MultiTroll]

Harden for Kirby and the Lackers tank pick.

[RD2191]

Harden is trash. The Roxs would be fine if they played through Dwight imo. Harden isos are going nowhere fast.

[djohn2oo8]

Harden is trash. The Roxs would be fine if they played through Dwight imo. Harden isos are going nowhere fast.

No way to paying him 30 mil a season when he is hurt and declining. Harden is still young. Isoball, hell who is there to score when they arent playing Isoball? Not Brewer, not Beverley, not Lawson (who is a bust) , Thornton doesnt get any playing time under Bickerstaff, not Jones, Motiejunas probably wont play again this season. So who else is there? If you keep Dwight, same problem exists. No one else will score.

[Killakobe81]

No way to paying him 30 mil a season when he is hurt and declining. Harden is still young. Isoball, hell who is there to score when they arent playing Isoball? Not Brewer, not Beverley, not Lawson (who is a bust) , Thornton doesnt get any playing time under Bickerstaff, not Jones, Motiejunas probably wont play again this season. So who else is there? If you keep Dwight, same problem exists. No one else will score.

Iso players can be reined in IF they have the right coach. Look at the work Pop did with SJax or RC with Ellis and VC. The key is attitude. Even though Ellis was still a bad team-mate overall RC got him to commit to the Dirk?ellis pnr in the clutch for the most part with some Ellis iso mixed in. Plus Harden is younger. if you gonna keep paying max money to a star you want them in their prime or entering it not someone on the decline.
It's the poor man version of the Kobe/Shaq dilemma (with less beef) at the time Shaq was the easier player to build around ...but still just like with Kobe, long-term you choose Harden.

[HarlemHeat37]

There's absolutely no way the Rockets should keep Dwight, long-term..he's already declining, and considering that he has a very low skill-level, he's going to continue deteriorating at a fast pace(not to mention he's injury prone, nowadays)..

Harden's style of play is toxic, but he's a monster player, tbh..sometimes players need to fail a few times to realize that they need to change their mindset, and/or they need a new coach/system..the Rockets just have a cancerous environment, right now, with too many limited players playing big minutes(Beverley and Brewer, in particular, neither guy should be anything more than an 8th or 9th man), and players not giving enough effort(Ariza, Harden, Lawson, Howard on some nights, etc)..

Hard-ass coaches like Thibs are becoming antiquated in today's league, but some teams really require it IMO..the Rockets are one of those teams..

[100%duncan]

Just hope LaMarcus doesnt get his asshole wrecked against Draymond again.

Youre sensitive these days :lol

[Koolaid_Man]

There's absolutely no way the Rockets should keep Dwight, long-term..he's already declining, and considering that he has a very low skill-level, he's going to continue deteriorating at a fast pace(not to mention he's injury prone, nowadays)..

Harden's style of play is toxic, but he's a monster player, tbh..sometimes players need to fail a few times to realize that they need to change their mindset, and/or they need a new coach/system..the Rockets just have a cancerous environment, right now, with too many limited players playing big minutes(Beverley and Brewer, in particular, neither guy should be anything more than an 8th or 9th man), and players not giving enough effort(Ariza, Harden, Lawson, Howard on some nights, etc)..

Hard-ass coaches like Thibs are becoming antiquated in today's league, but some teams really require it IMO..the Rockets are one of those teams..



Kobe was right..i can't say that enough......:lol

Dwerty left LA after being mentored by Kareem.....he went to Houston and then played for one of the greatest big men in NBA History in McHale... Then Hakeem one of the top 5 players in NBA History the best low post scoring big man in NBA History and the NBA all-time leader in blocks shots also mentored him and worked out with him and this FUCK FACE still has no game what-so-ever....he should be fucking embarassed to still be playing to be honest...its a disgrace....I've never seen such a clown at this level before....there is no helping this guy I totally beleive there are some major tard issues being masked by a smile and jovial personality...

Who knows maybe he was exposed to Lead poisoning as a a child....

[djohn2oo8]

Youre sensitive these days :lol

LaMarcus deleted his twitter after det matchup :lol Now that was sensitive

[Koolaid_Man]

LaMarcus deleted his twitter after det matchup :lol Now that was sensitive

:lmao

[HarlemHeat37]

LaMarcus deleted his twitter after det matchup :lol Now that was sensitive

:lol

[100%duncan]

LaMarcus deleted his twitter after det matchup :lol Now that was sensitive

Yah not really defending lamarcus or anything but you are too brah

[HarlemHeat37]

Kobe was right..i can't say that enough......:lol

Dwerty left LA after being mentored by Kareem.....he went to Houston and then played for one of the greatest big men in NBA History in McHale... Then Hakeem one of the top 5 players in NBA History the best low post scoring big man in NBA History and the NBA all-time leader in blocks shots also mentored him and worked out with him and this FUCK FACE still has no game what-so-ever....he should be fucking embarassed to still be playing to be honest...its a disgrace....I've never seen such a clown at this level before....there is no helping this guy I totally beleive there are some major tard issues being masked by a smile and jovial personality...

Who knows maybe he was exposed to Lead poisoning as a a child....

:lol ya, Kobe definitely sniffed out the pussy in Howard..

He could fuck with a soft player like Pau because he knew the talent was there, but it wasn't worth it with Dwight..

[Killakobe81]

There's absolutely no way the Rockets should keep Dwight, long-term..he's already declining, and considering that he has a very low skill-level, he's going to continue deteriorating at a fast pace(not to mention he's injury prone, nowadays)..

Harden's style of play is toxic, but he's a monster player, tbh..sometimes players need to fail a few times to realize that they need to change their mindset, and/or they need a new coach/system..the Rockets just have a cancerous environment, right now, with too many limited players playing big minutes(Beverley and Brewer, in particular, neither guy should be anything more than an 8th or 9th man), and players not giving enough effort(Ariza, Harden, Lawson, Howard on some nights, etc)..

Hard-ass coaches like Thibs are becoming antiquated in today's league, but some teams really require it IMO..the Rockets are one of those teams..

This. When he is rolling not even curry matches him because of the fouls he generates. Not saying I wouldnt still take Curry but when harden is on he is getting 3's, racking up assists, getting the other team in foul trouble and in to the penalty. Just needs a good stromg coach and I think thibs would be great for defense/effort I think Harden needs a offensive mind that can sell him on him being even more deadly by giving up the ball more. Like CP3 both generate plenty of offense and are technically efficient but because they both dominate the ball It hurts them sometimes as well especially against good defensive teams like the Spurs.

[Thread]

:lol ya, Kobe definitely sniffed out the pussy in Howard.

I was first.

Me

[Koolaid_Man]

I was first.

Me

Tru dat

[Killakobe81]

:lol ya, Kobe definitely sniffed out the pussy in Howard..

He could fuck with a soft player like Pau because he knew the talent was there, but it wasn't worth it with Dwight..

I know he would be different but I sometimes wished Pau would have pushed back on Kobe some more. Every once in a while when kobe went to far off the rails with shots he would whine about more ball movement in the media (and he was right). I just wish he would sometimes just say "I Want to the ball more and and I f I get its I will get you (Kobe) and the team better looks." It was always subtle and passive aggressive...wished he was more direct ...but I guess that is why he and Kobe got along. Would have been better for both if he was more assertive.

[Killakobe81]

I was first.

Me

Yep. thread it was you I was a close 2nd ... but you called it even before the goofy I'm so happy press conference. I still was willing to give him a few games before I called bitch-made.

[Koolaid_Man]

https://youtube/yJ3bWBfeNuQ

[Thread]

I know he would be different but I sometimes wished Pau would have pushed back on Kobe some more. Every once in a while when kobe went to far off the rails with shots he would whine about more ball movement in the media (and he was right). I just wish he would sometimes just say "I Want to the ball more and and I f I get its I will get you (Kobe) and the team better looks." It was always subtle and passive aggressive...wished he was more direct ...but I guess that is why he and Kobe got along. Would have been better for both if he was more assertive.

Just be grateful we yanked two out of Gasol. We're damn lucky we extracted that many. He's a country club Spaniard of royal blood.

[Koolaid_Man]

https://youtube/UkhxfVQvXao

[Indazone]

Lawson wouldn't be a bust if Harden weren't there. Not one point guard in the NBA is capable of taking the ball our of Harden's hands.

[Killakobe81]

Just be grateful we yanked two out of Gasol. We're damn lucky we extracted that many. He's a country club Spaniard of royal blood.

Fair point, Thread.

[Thread]

Lawson wouldn't be a bust if Harden weren't there. Not one point guard in the NBA is capable of taking the ball our of Harden's hands.

You anointed him, then Media came along and put him up on the pedestal anointed. You're in a big time pickle. This is how Huey Long was in Louisiana back in olden times. They had to shoot him.

[djohn2oo8]

Lawson wouldn't be a bust if Harden weren't there. Not one point guard in the NBA is capable of taking the ball our of Harden's hands.
Lawson is a bust because he is afraid to shoot the ball. He gets the ball and is scared to do anything with it.

[Killakobe81]

Lawson wouldn't be a bust if Harden weren't there. Not one point guard in the NBA is capable of taking the ball our of Harden's hands.

That is the thing that I find funny. people are shocked at why Lawson is trash now ...he was never a spot up shooter. he needs the ball and I thought the idea was to get Lawson to push tempo and get looks for Dwight and make HArden the secondary ball handler ...
If that is not the plan then they need a PG like prime DFish or BJ armstrong ...Lawson will never work if Harden is gonna be the creator.

[djohn2oo8]

That is the thing that I find funny. people are shocked at why Lawson is trash now ...he was never a spot up shooter. he needs the ball and I thought the idea was to get Lawson to push tempo and get looks for Dwight and make HArden the secondary ball handler ...
If that is not the plan then they need a PG like prime DFish or BJ armstrong ...Lawson will never work if Harden is gonna be the creator.

Lawson is scared to even push the ball. He aint the same since he quit drinking.

[Thread]

Lawson is a bust because he is afraid to shoot the ball. He gets the ball and is scared to do anything with it.

Linking your failure to a career flunky like Lawson because Harden won't let him touch the ball is wasteful, dj. Harden could die tomorrow and Lawson would still disappoint. Lawson being held up as a key to this crisis is a red herring.

[Killakobe81]

Lawson is scared to even push the ball. He aint the same since he quit drinking.

his confidence appears shot ... (hopefully) at least he is not pouting like Rondo did in Dallas. Just be a soldier and in the off-season push on out ...

[Killakobe81]

Linking your failure to a career flunky like Lawson because Harden won't let him touch the ball is wasteful, dj. Harden could die tomorrow and Lawson would still disappoint. Lawson being held up as a key to this crisis is a red herring.

You are right the issue is bigger because changing coaches did very little to change things. Lawson is not a winner on this level but has proven to be effective in spurts. Right now you probably could not get pennies on the dollar in trade for a guy who was traded for all of this just last July:

The Nuggets receive a lottery protected first-round pick in 2016 and cash considerations along with Nick Johnson, Kostas Papanikolaou, Pablo Prigioni and Joey Dorsey in the deal that also sends a 2017 second-round pick to Houston.

[Indazone]

Lawson is a bust because he is afraid to shoot the ball. He gets the ball and is scared to do anything with it.

Bullshit! Even CP3 would be relegated to a spot up 3 shooter with Harden.

[djohn2oo8]

Bullshit! Even CP3 would be relegated to a spot up 3 shooter with Harden.

Except when Harden isnt on the floor, Lawson still is hesitant to just play. Thats why he has been benched multiple times.

[Killakobe81]

Except when Harden isnt on the floor, Lawson still is hesitant to just play. Thats why he has been benched multiple times.

That is why I alluded to his confidence. Harden doesnt play 48 mins. So even when Harden sits Ty never takes advantage ...

[djohn2oo8]

That is why I alluded to his confidence. Harden doesnt play 48 mins. So even when Harden sits Ty never takes advantage ...

This.

[100%duncan]

This. When he is rolling not even curry matches him because of the fouls he generates. Not saying I wouldnt still take Curry but when harden is on he is getting 3's, racking up assists, getting the other team in foul trouble and in to the penalty. Just needs a good stromg coach and I think thibs would be great for defense/effort I think Harden needs a offensive mind that can sell him on him being even more deadly by giving up the ball more. Like CP3 both generate plenty of offense and are technically efficient but because they both dominate the ball It hurts them sometimes as well especially against good defensive teams like the Spurs.
lol no.

[TrainOfThought5]

There's absolutely no way the Rockets should keep Dwight, long-term..he's already declining, and considering that he has a very low skill-level, he's going to continue deteriorating at a fast pace(not to mention he's injury prone, nowadays)..

Harden's style of play is toxic, but he's a monster player, tbh..sometimes players need to fail a few times to realize that they need to change their mindset, and/or they need a new coach/system..the Rockets just have a cancerous environment, right now, with too many limited players playing big minutes(Beverley and Brewer, in particular, neither guy should be anything more than an 8th or 9th man), and players not giving enough effort(Ariza, Harden, Lawson, Howard on some nights, etc)..

Hard-ass coaches like Thibs are becoming antiquated in today's league, but some teams really require it IMO..the Rockets are one of those teams..

10/10 post. Agree on all points. If they could sucker some Star hungry team into giving up a young star or great draft picks for Howard it would be an underrated steal now and a robbery 3 years from now. Even if they could swap Howard for Cousins... or someone from Philly with lots of upside, or any young star in the East, thats a massive success by Houston.

[Killakobe81]

lol no.

You missed the part where I said I still prefer Steph. But if you watch Harden when he is on he causes more distress because not only can he rain 3's and drive like steph he can post up and he draws way more fouls with his flopping. He is more streaky than steph but when he is on he is probably the most complete offensive player in the game. Still think steph is better but you cannot put steph on the block and he doesnt generate nearly as many fouls or FTA's .

[100%duncan]

You missed the part where I said I still prefer Steph. But if you watch Harden when he is on he causes more distress because not only can he rain 3's and drive like steph he can post up and he draws way more fouls with his flopping. He is more streaky than steph but when he is on he is probably the most complete offensive player in the game. Still think steph is better but you cannot put steph on the block and he doesnt generate nearly as many fouls or FTA's .

I didnt. An "on" Curry is unguardable because he can kill you from 40 ft, put too much of your attention to him and he's unselfish unlike harden then the whole golden gay worriers will kill you.

[Killakobe81]

I didnt. An "on" Curry is unguardable because he can kill you from 40 ft, put too much of your attention to him and he's unselfish unlike harden then the whole golden gay worriers will kill you.

Different argument. Curry is "on" more than Harden so that is one of the many reasons I take Curry over Harden. My point was that Harden at his best is not only unguardable when his "on" but he hurts your defense with all his flopping and exaggeration on contact. As great as steph is that is one place in addition to punishing smaller guards on the block that Curry just doesnt do ...and so although I do value Curry's 3's and gravitational pull more than Harden's iso dribble show ...when Harden is on he hurts you in more ways individually than Curry and he is actually a great passer ...again remember the backdoor sweep? that is the Harden I am speaking of ...

[100%duncan]

Different argument. Curry is "on" more than Harden so that is one of the many reasons I take Curry over Harden. My point was that Harden at his best is not only unguardable when his "on" but he hurts your defense with all his flopping and exaggeration on contact. As great as steph is that is one place in addition to punishing smaller guards on the block that Curry just doesnt do ...and so although I do value Curry's 3's and gravitational pull more than Harden's iso dribble show ...when Harden is on he hurts you in more ways individually than Curry and he is actually a great passer ...again remember the backdoor sweep? that is the Harden I am speaking of ...

Yeah it's not like curry doesn't make his team an all time great team with his passing. I remember it alright, nigga got benched for brewer when they made a run in game 6. Phail :lmao