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boutons
09-24-2005, 12:18 PM
from cnn.com"

President Bush -- who was tracking the storm's aftermath Saturday at the U.S. Northern Command in Colorado -- said Lake Charles was "hit hard" by Rita.

"I just had an assessment by [hurricane relief commander, Lt. Gen. Russel] Honore of Lake Charles, Louisiana," Bush said. "It got hit hard. They've got teams on the ground -- beginning to analyze the situation and prepare the necessary response to stabilize the situation and more importantly, save lives there as well."

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He's such a fucking faker, trying to show concern and involvement, "reporting" sound bytes from Honore, to compensate for his disastrous Katrina theatre. nobody's fooled by his BS.

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washingtonpost.com
President Struggles to Regain His Pre-Hurricane Swagger

By Jim VandeHei and Peter Baker
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, September 24, 2005; A01

COLORADO SPRINGS, Sept. 23 -- President Bush flew here ahead of Hurricane Rita on Friday to show command of a federal disaster response effort that even supporters acknowledge he fumbled three weeks ago.

The president said he wanted to see the emergency response system from the ground floor at U.S. Northern Command headquarters. "I need to understand how it works better," he told reporters before leaving Washington. But Bush was also embarking on a broader, and possibly more important, mission: restoring strength and confidence in his presidency.

A president who roamed across the national and world stages with an unshakable self-assurance that comforted Republicans and confounded critics since 2001 suddenly finds himself struggling to reclaim his swagger. Bush's standing with the public -- and within the Republican Party -- has been battered by a failed Social Security campaign, violence in Iraq, and most recently Hurricane Katrina. His approval ratings, 42 percent in the most recent Washington Post-ABC poll, have never been lower.

A president who normally thrives on tough talk and self-assurance finds himself at what aides privately describe as a low point in office, one that is changing the psychic and political aura of the White House, as well as its distinctive political approach.

In small, sometimes subtle but unmistakable ways, the president and top aides sound less certain, more conciliatory and willing to do something they avoided in the first term: admit mistakes. After bulling through crisis after crisis with a "bring 'em on" brashness, a more solemn Bush now has twice taken responsibility for the much-criticized response to Hurricane Katrina.

Aides who never betrayed self-doubt now talk in private of failures selling the American people on the Iraq war, the president's Social Security plan and his response to Hurricane Katrina. The president who once told the United Nations it would drift into irrelevancy if it did not back the invasion of Iraq last week praised the world body and said the world works better "when we act together." A White House team that operated on its terms since 2000 is reaching to outside experts for answers like never before.

"I think they are showing a greater willingness to look for new suggestions, new ideas, new approaches than at any time in the presidency," said former House speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.). "I think they realize the larger system has failed: They are not where they want to be on Iraq; the first week after Katrina was an absolute failure."

David Gergen, who has advised Republican and Democratic presidents going back to the 1970s, said that "there is no question [Bush and his advisers] changed their tone. . . . That is a chastened White House talking."

Some White House aides agree the president has changed his pitch since Katrina but said it reflects the nature of the challenges confronting Bush, not a loss in confidence or a policy shift. "It's a different tone," said Michael J. Gerson, the president's strategic adviser who helped speechwriter William McGurn draft the Katrina address. "That was not a strategic or tonal calculation. This was the president himself not being satisfied with the response."

White House aides see Rita as a chance to regain whatever was lost by Katrina, and they have gone out of their way to make sure the government is on a war footing for the arrival of Rita. But the effort got off to a bumpy start Friday. Shortly after Bush told reporters a planned trip to San Antonio to visit with search-and-rescue teams was not a publicity stunt and would not interfere with emergency response efforts on the ground, he was forced to scrub the event because the workers needed to ship out early. "We didn't want to slow up that decision in any way," said White House spokesman Scott McClellan.

The president has cleared much of his schedule to focus on rebuilding the states devastated by Katrina and prepare for the wrath of Rita. Despite grumbling among conservatives, Bush said he will spend whatever it takes to put Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama back together, and he has told aides he will do the same for Rita's victims. There are private talks of tearing up Bush's agenda to change the second-term focus to the poor and preventing future disasters.

Most of all, White House aides want to reestablish Bush's swagger -- the projection of competence and confidence in the White House that has carried the administration through tough times since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

Bush likes to say his job is to make tough decisions and leave the hand-wringing for historians and pundits. He almost never entertains public doubt, which is part of the White House design to build a more powerful presidency. The term "strong leader" appears in at least 98 speeches he has given during his White House years, according to a database search, and was the subtext of his 2004 campaign strategy. He favors provocative language, declaring that he wanted Osama bin Laden "dead or alive" and taunting Iraqi insurgents to "bring 'em on."

He projects this in nonverbal ways as well, the arms-swinging gait of his walk, the glint in his glare, the college boy grin that flashes even in sober moments. Some advisers consider this supreme self-confidence a secret to Bush's success enacting his first-term agenda and winning reelection in a tough political climate. It reinforced Bush's image as a decisive leader, which was an important attribute in an election colored by the threat of terrorism, and helped calm congressional Republicans who disagreed with some of the president's ideas but were won over by the force of his style.

The confidence was contagious, with White House officials and Republicans in Congress as certain as the president himself in what Bush was doing. But over the course of six months, a growing number of Republicans inside and out of the White House have noticed an administration less sure-footed and slower to react to the political environment surrounding them.

A top Republican close to the White House since the earliest days said the absence of a "reelection target" and pressure from first lady Laura Bush and others to soften his second-term tone conspired to temper Bush's swagger well before Katrina hit. "A reelection campaign was always the driving principle to force them to get things together," said the GOP operative, who would speak candidly about Bush only if his name was not used. He said the "brilliance of this team" was always overstated. "Part of the reason they looked so good is Democrats were so discombobulated." Since the election, this official said, White House aides reported that Laura Bush was among those counseling Bush to change his cowboy image during the final four years.

William Kristol, editor of the Weekly Standard, said the psychological turnabout started with the failed Social Security campaign, billed as the number one domestic priority six months ago. "The negative effect of the Social Security [campaign] is underestimated," Kristol said. "Once you make that kind of mistake, people tend to be less deferential to your decisions." This coincided with a growing number of Republicans losing faith in Bush's war plan, as Republicans such as Sens. Chuck Hagel (Neb.) and Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.) openly questioned the president's strategy.

In a series of private conversations over the past few months, aides began second-guessing how they handled the Social Security debate, managed the public perception of the Iraq war and, most recently, the response to Katrina. The federal CIA leak investigation, which has forced Deputy White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove and others to testify before a grand jury, seemed to distract officials and left a general feeling of unease, two aides said. Aides were calling reporters to find out what was happening with Rove and the investigation. "Nobody knows what's going to happen with the probe," one senior aide said.

The result, say some Republicans, has been a president and White House team that has not been as effective, efficient and sure-footed running government as it was running for reelection. "The shift from campaigning to governing has perhaps not been as quick as everybody hoped," Rep. Mike Turner (R-Ohio) said.

The most immediate consequence of the new governing reality for Bush is the growing number of Republicans shedding their fear of publicly challenging the White House. Consider Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.). The conservative senator, a Bush loyalist from day one, in the past week has suggested Bush might be a political liability for him in Pennsylvania and then told a local newspaper that the White House botched the Social Security effort. At private meeting on Capitol Hill this week, John Fund, a conservative columnist for the Wall Street Journal, Rep. Gil Gutknecht (R-Minn.) and others complained about a White House that seems sluggish and way off its game, participants said.

Still, Bush's allies said any stumbles are anomalies and changes in tones momentary. They note, for instance, that the administration is still winning political victories, such as the likely confirmation of the president's nominee for chief justice, John G. Roberts Jr.

"You adapt to the circumstances and the circumstances are different," said Mark McKinnon, Bush's political consultant and friend. But he added he detected no loss of confidence within the Bush team. "I get zero sense of that. This is an administration and a president that are like the Marines -- they're used to taking the beach, they're used to getting shelled. But they dig in and they do their jobs."

McKinnon said if anything Bush thrives under the pressure. "I've never seen the president burdened by the presidency," he said. "He's built to deal with really big events. It's in his DNA."

Baker reported from Washington.

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"never burdend by the presidency" because he's too fucking stupid and lightweight to comprehend the gravity and responsibility of the office.

Big Pimp_21
09-24-2005, 12:46 PM
You are an idiot! I don't really consider myself one party or the other, but I do hate people who are so wrapped up in which political party they support that they make every attempt to bash the other side, even when there is no cause. If he hadn't commented on Lake Charles, you would be saying that he wasn't invovled...since he did comment , you are saying that he's faking it. You are pathetic.

boutons
09-24-2005, 01:08 PM
that's right, BP21, dubya is damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't. I'm loving it. dubya is just a fucked up deer in the headlights.

As the article points out, even the "serious" right knows the dubya is just damned motherfucking loser. Iraq, Soc Sec, Katrina, all his polls in the toilet, growing rejection of the war, horror at the federal deficit, Repug congressman distancing themselves as mid-terms approach, etc, etc. dubya's well along on his road to hell.

Hook Dem
09-24-2005, 01:21 PM
that's right, BP21, dubya is damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't. I'm loving it. dubya is just a fucked up deer in the headlights.

As the article points out, even the "serious" right knows the dubya is just damned motherfucking loser. Iraq, Soc Sec, Katrina, all his polls in the toilet, growing rejection of the war, horror at the federal deficit, Repug congressman distancing themselves as mid-terms approach, etc, etc. dubya's well along on his road to hell.
You're living in your own dream world. What you have stated above is how you "wish" it is. Bush is 10 times the man than you even on his worst day. People like you suck big time!

Vashner
09-24-2005, 01:30 PM
Yea it's hogwash.. the situation is well in hand...

ChumpDumper
09-24-2005, 01:44 PM
The NORAD photo-op was a good start.

Vashner
09-24-2005, 02:00 PM
I'll admit.. it's good news for DNC in 08...
..

Now will they be able to capitolize on this?

No ..

Why you ask?

Yes

Because of Howard Dean screaming "I hate everything republicans stand for"..

NOW

If you had a moderate "We want republicans to vote for us because we have a better blah blah"..

That's how you win elections...

Calling out "ALL REPUBLICANS".. get's you a NO vote on DNC .. reguarless of who runs or what the issues are...

You want people to be comfortable and happy... that's when they click YES..

But if you SHIT ON THERE FACE.. .they are gonna vote RNC ticket just out of spite..

SpursWoman
09-24-2005, 02:18 PM
Yes, it's people like boutons and the rest of the hater-crew that will ensure that the Democrats will be watching from the side lines for many years to come.

I don't even think it matters how *bad* the Republican candidate will be...he will succeed if for no other reason than most rational people are tired of the irrational hatred. And that's too bad that it's come down to that. I'd have no problem voting for a Democrat if I thought he could do a good job, but I'm certainly not voting for an extremist nutjob.

mookie2001
09-24-2005, 02:49 PM
yeah i listen to woai too

Aggie Hoopsfan
09-24-2005, 02:52 PM
I think we need to take up a fund and get boutons a hooker for the night, he obviously needs it.

Dude's spinchter is so tight if you put a lump of coal up there in six weeks you'd have a diamond.

boutons, I can't believe you have such hatred for someone. I mean it's not like he fucked your mom.

mookie2001
09-24-2005, 02:54 PM
lol
my mother is the United States Constitution

ChumpDumper
09-24-2005, 02:56 PM
I think we need to take up a fund and get boutons a hooker for the night, he obviously needs it.

Dude's spinchter is so tight if you put a lump of coal up there in six weeks you'd have a diamond.Taking those sentences together, one wonders what kind of hooker AHF might have in mind.

hussker
09-24-2005, 02:57 PM
THIS JUST IN: Louis Farrakhan and the NOI have uncovered secret video of President Bush furiously palming at the "Atari Centipede-like" roller ball to get the eye of Rita out of Texas and as close to Louisiana as possible. Sources close to the President state that he only got his hands pinched seven times, which likely explains the delays and why he was unable to get it out of Texas entirely. Those same sources did say that he has enough credits left to fend off storms that may even go into the Greek Alphabet without using all of the quarters his mom gave him last week for allowance. More to follow...

Aggie Hoopsfan
09-24-2005, 03:08 PM
Taking those sentences together, one wonders what kind of hooker AHF might have in mind.

Well, as out there as boutons appears to be I think the only thing that could make him happy would be Michael Moore's twin sister.

hussker
09-24-2005, 03:12 PM
Well, as out there as boutons appears to be I think the only thing that could make him happy would be Michael Moore's twin sister.

Or twin brother...not that there is anything wrong with that!

(Don't hate the commentor, hate the comment...)
THESE WORDS JUST COME RIGHT OUT OF MY FINGERS!!

Big Pimp_21
09-24-2005, 03:15 PM
I'd have no problem voting for a Democrat if I thought he could do a good job, but I'm certainly not voting for an extremist nutjob.

EXACTLY!!!! I would vote for a Dem with values I believe in, but it seems like all the current Democratic party cares about is smearing the Republicans. Your stance is just "whatever the opposite of Bush" is. They lost to GW twice, and they are still trying to bad mouth him more than they try to convince anyone of something they believe in (Exibit A: John Kerry). NEWS FLASH....he can't run again. Leave the man alone (personally) and start to focus on pushing your ideas on the American people for the 08 campaign.

MasterYoda
09-24-2005, 03:15 PM
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He's such a fucking faker, trying to show concern and involvement, "reporting" sound bytes from Honore, to compensate for his disastrous Katrina theatre. nobody's fooled by his BS.

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"never burdend by the presidency" because he's too fucking stupid and lightweight to comprehend the gravity and responsibility of the office.

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blinded by hate are you...unfortunate, this is.

save a baby from onrushing water, Bush could, and still hate you would...

grow up.

Aggie Hoopsfan
09-24-2005, 05:06 PM
I would vote for a Dem with values I believe in, but it seems like all the current Democratic party cares about is smearing the Republicans. Your stance is just "whatever the opposite of Bush" is.

Exactly. The Democratic party platform for the last 8 years has been "Bush sucks."

About the only other "stance" to come out of that group was Kerry wanting to pacify militant Islamists.

Yeah, that's gonna get you far.

mookie2001
09-24-2005, 05:07 PM
while the Republican platform has been "September 11th"

hussker
09-24-2005, 05:26 PM
while the Republican platform has been "September 11th"

BUT...not for the last eight yrs...

mookie2001
09-24-2005, 05:30 PM
well i doubt the platform in 1997 was "bush sucks"

hussker
09-24-2005, 05:42 PM
well i doubt the platform in 1997 was "bush sucks"

And your point is? Let's see, 97...no Bush running for office then and no significant Sept 11 event...

Am I missing something here?

hussker
09-24-2005, 05:44 PM
well i doubt the platform in 1997 was "bush sucks"

Could have been MONICA SUCKS if it had been an election (pronounced by my Japanese Aggie Wife as ERECTION) year...and yes, I DO HIT IT! (could not resist!)

mookie2001
09-24-2005, 05:45 PM
is she hot?

hussker
09-24-2005, 05:46 PM
Told ya before, in a different forum...yes..and I HIT IT! and she loves the Spurs.

Cant_Be_Faded
09-24-2005, 05:51 PM
I don't remember Kerry ever saying Bush sucks.

And if this many 'democrats' are going so bonkers, imagine that they were once 'normal' but have become bonkers due to the state of our country and it's affairs

mookie2001
09-24-2005, 07:09 PM
did bush ever say "september 11th"?, i cant remember

hussker
09-24-2005, 07:28 PM
did bush ever say "september 11th"?, i cant remember

I am sure he did , but made no reference to it prior to September 12, 2001.

mookie2001
09-24-2005, 07:30 PM
in the 04 campaign?
i really cant remember

TonyMontana
09-24-2005, 07:42 PM
the Bush platform stands on Morals, Self Responsibility, and Steadfastness in the face of the adversity of the igorant.

The US is at war if you didn't know. 9/11 is a major reason why.

There was also discussions on how to keep taxpayer money in taxpayer hands, social security reform and the fact that Bush stated that he would put NO Litmus test to any judicial nominees. But keep focusing on what you want. I'll just keep turning on the light for you and hopefully, one day, you hatin libs will open your eyes...:tu

NOW, i wish we could go back and discuss Gas Prices, or I wish GW would have a press conference on it, as it is the single most important Financial issue in America right now if you ask me...

mookie2001
09-24-2005, 07:43 PM
The US is at war if you didn't know. 9/11 is a major reason why.

smeagol
09-24-2005, 08:07 PM
The people with the loudest mouths in the political forum are as partisan as it gets. For one group, Bush is the devil and Clinton is God; for the other it's the other way around.

hussker
09-24-2005, 08:57 PM
The people with the loudest mouths in the political forum are as partisan as it gets. For one group, Bush is the devil and Clinton is God; for the other it's the other way around.

Not true...I think that if people speak out, we have the responsibility to support and defend or raise the BU!!$H!T flag as necessary. I am non partisan...

ChumpDumper
09-24-2005, 09:51 PM
The people with the loudest mouths in the political forum are as partisan as it gets. For one group, Bush is the devil and Clinton is God; for the other it's the other way around.C'mon smeegs, everyone knows you're satan.

:cooldevil

IcemanCometh
09-24-2005, 10:42 PM
no one ever said being the president was gonna be fun

Triumph
09-25-2005, 01:44 AM
he'd have to save about 2000 babies to make up for the deaths he's caused

which deaths do you speak of pimpo?

instead of toungue in cheek comments, lets bring some fact to the table...:tu

j-6
09-25-2005, 02:28 AM
Dude's spinchter is so tight if you put a lump of coal up there in six weeks you'd have a diamond.

[img]http://www.80s.com/saveferris/images/cast/ruck.jpg/[img]

Nbadan
09-25-2005, 03:38 AM
The most immediate consequence of the new governing reality for Bush is the growing number of Republicans shedding their fear of publicly challenging the White House. Consider Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.). The conservative senator, a Bush loyalist from day one, in the past week has suggested Bush might be a political liability for him in Pennsylvania and then told a local newspaper that the White House botched the Social Security effort. At private meeting on Capitol Hill this week, John Fund, a conservative columnist for the Wall Street Journal, Rep. Gil Gutknecht (R-Minn.) and others complained about a White House that seems sluggish and way off its game, participants said.

I thought you had to have sort of a spine to feel fear, hell, if the Robert's confirmation showed anything, it showed that Republican Congressmen, and even some Democrats, continue to be just a rubber-stamp for the administration. Spector and other Senators may have had their doubts about Robert's lack of candour, but when it came down to vote, they all towed the party line.

Nbadan
09-25-2005, 03:47 AM
but I'm certainly not voting for an extremist nutjob.

:lmao

(Someone needs to remind SW that she's voted for W twice)

Nbadan
09-25-2005, 04:00 AM
I don't remember Kerry ever saying Bush sucks.

And if this many 'democrats' are going so bonkers, imagine that they were once 'normal' but have become bonkers due to the state of our country and it's affairs

dupe

Nbadan
09-25-2005, 04:07 AM
I don't remember Kerry ever saying Bush sucks.

And if this many 'democrats' are going so bonkers, imagine that they were once 'normal' but have become bonkers due to the state of our country and it's affairs

Bingo. No matter how moderate or conservative a candidate the Democrats put out there, he or she is always gonna be painted, with the broadest brush possible, as the biggest liberal in the world by the Republican spin machine and echo-chamber, and guys like Aggie, Clandestino, Hookdem and all the other closet ditto-heads who don't ever bother to check the facts are gonna eat that shit up like it's chocolate pudding.

SpursWoman
09-25-2005, 09:23 AM
:lmao

(Someone needs to remind SW that she's voted for W twice)


My other options were Gore & Kerry...I was forced into the lesser of the nutjobs with balls.

:lol

SpursWoman
09-25-2005, 10:25 AM
a nutjob with balls who would send your preciouse user666 to die in in the blink of a hummingbird's eye if he though it would gain him a hundredth of a percentage point in approval ratings


There is no draft and he'd be too old for it anyway. If, say, my son was 18 it wouldn't really be relevant either because he chose to enlist...and since he was a legal adult I'd have to respect his decision. I may or may not have to like it, but once he's an adult it's not my decision to make...and I certainly wouldn't hold him in contempt for the decision that he made.

As for having balls, well, I'm from the camp that believes that complacency breeds contempt. The more you ignore the attacks terrorists have made on American interests and civilians...the more they will happen, because you're basically telling them that you're a gigantic pussy and they can do whatever they want and not suffer any consequences for it. Like having to kick the bully's ass that keeps stealing your lunch money to get him to stop, because ignoring him or running home to tell mommy only aggrevates the problem. There's a lot more reasoning behind why I feel the way I do...but I have to go get started on the grass before it hits 200 degrees outside. :)

I don't have any issues with people protesting the war or feeling different about it.

SpursWoman
09-25-2005, 10:26 AM
and it's also funny because kerry, who WAS in vietnam,



....and then turned around and betrayed those he served with. Yes, very admirable.

boutons
09-25-2005, 10:30 AM
dubya's "I am hands on, connected guy" BS theatre continues, and is obvious to any sentient beings.

It's too late, dubya, you're fucked, the Repubs are fucked, your whole legacy is fucked.

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Storm and Bush On the Move
Chief Executive Refashions His Readiness Posture for Rita

By Jim VandeHei and Dan Balz
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, September 25, 2005; A20

AUSTIN, Sept. 24 -- President Bush was not going to get caught off guard by Hurricane Rita this weekend.

The president who refused to cut short a working vacation three weeks ago to prepare for the fury of Hurricane Katrina was sitting at the U.S. Northern Command post in Colorado on Saturday morning monitoring what had become a more timid storm.

"I've come here," Bush explained, "to watch NORTHCOM in action, to see firsthand the capacity of our military to plan, organize and move equipment to help the people in the affected areas."

Bush's government was on war footing for Rita's arrival: The Pentagon moved 500 active-duty troops to the region and put 27,000 National Guard soldiers on standby. Navy ships were positioned nearby, and the Federal Emergency Management Agency, whose performance immediately after Katrina symbolized the federal government's mistakes, sent in helicopters, supplies and rescue teams.

"It comforts me knowing that our federal government is well-organized and well-prepared to deal with Rita," said Bush, who also devoted his weekly radio address to federal preparations for the hurricane.

Bush's posture toward Rita contrasts sharply with the days after Katrina. Then, Bush was preoccupied with Medicare, the Iraq war and getting back to his Crawford, Tex., ranch to finish up a month-long hiatus from the White House. He was seen strumming a guitar at an event in California as New Orleans was filling up with water flowing through breached levees.

It was not until several days after Katrina smashed into New Orleans and destroyed parts of that city that Bush made a serious effort to present a commanding presence over what would become one of the deadliest natural disasters in U.S. history. Eventually, Bush was forced to offer a rare apology for his government's sluggish response to a storm that has left more than 1,000 dead.

When Rita was approaching, the storm appeared to be packing the same fury as Katrina. The White House communications team scrambled to find an appropriate setting for Bush to monitor preparations for the next great storm, initially settling on San Antonio, where search-and-rescue teams were stationed in anticipation of Rita.

But the plan hit a glitch -- the search-and-rescue team needed to get closer to a storm whose path was shifting to the north and east and could not wait for a photo-op with the president. As a result, shortly after Bush had said his stop would not be an inconvenience to preparations, he was forced to scrub the event. Instead, he flew straight to Colorado Springs, where he would monitor the hurricane from the U.S. Northern Command, which is responsible for the defense of the United States.

In the end, Bush was prepared for a storm that, while serious, had lost some of its fury by the time it hit the Gulf Coast. As the president prepared to leave Colorado, Rita had been downgraded to a tropical storm, and residents of cities such as Houston and Galveston were breathing easier after being spared a direct hit. Major damage was elsewhere, and Rita continued to threaten parts of four states with heavy rains and flooding, but when Bush arrived here Saturday afternoon, the weather was sunny and hot.

Whether the president's aggressive approach to Rita can offset damage to his image is a question of vital interest to his advisers, but several analysts said Bush will need more than a good performance with this storm to turn things around.

"There is a tendency for current news to supplant old news, but the hit he took on Katrina, coupled with the hits he's taken on other areas -- the war, Social Security -- is a heavy load for this current hurricane to lift, even if he does really well," said Bruce Buchanan II, professor of government at the University of Texas.

Thomas D. Rath, the Republican national committeeman from New Hampshire, said Rita cannot erase what happened during Katrina, but coming so quickly after the first storm, the second has given Bush an opportunity to show that Katrina was an aberration.

"What they can do is demonstrate they can learn when things didn't go so well, their attention is focused, he's engaged and in the game," Rath said. "The performance to date on this one certainly indicates that. The worst thing that could have happened would have been for it [the sluggish response] to happen again."

Even before Rita made landfall early Saturday, Bush and the federal government were aided by a close working relationship with state and local officials in Texas such as Gov. Rick Perry (R) and Houston Mayor Bill White. For Katrina, the relationship with New Orleans Mayor C. Ray Nagin and Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco (D) was more acrimonious.

Texas officials appeared well prepared for Rita, despite problems that plagued the evacuation of the Houston area on Thursday, and federal emergency officials showed they, too, had learned the lessons of Katrina.

At an afternoon news conference here, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) praised Bush. "The president is hands-on and knows what's going on," he said. "The president is a take-charge type of guy."

Paul C. Light, a government professor at New York University, noted the improved performance by FEMA and the readiness of state and local officials in the areas affected by Rita, but said that, because Rita appeared to be less devastating than Katrina, Bush might gain little no matter how effective the response.

"Without being at all insensitive to the damage, this is not the hurricane that would redeem George Bush's standing as a bold leader," he said. "From a political standpoint, I don't think that it helps him very much," he said.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Bush had a larger purpose for the weekend's events: to spend more time investigating whether Congress should increase the federal role in responding to catastrophes. A decision has not been made, but aides said Bush is moving in that direction.

The president concluded his day by meeting with state emergency response officials here and spending the night in San Antonio, where he is expected to make a brief stop or two Sunday morning before flying to Baton Rouge and then returning to Washington.

"I know for a lot of people in this state, it's some miserable times," Bush told officials at the Texas emergency operations center. "I hope you can take some comfort in knowing there's a lot of people, like the people in this room, who are working overtime to save you and to help you."

But if Bush was looking for a memorable moment, such as the one after Sept. 11, 2001, when he stood atop the rubble of the World Trade Center towers in New York with a bullhorn, that did not happen. The closest he got on Saturday was a photograph at the military base commemorating that Ground Zero moment, to which the president scrawled, "God Bless America."

Balz reported from Washington.

© 2005 The Washington Post Company

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A couple years, when dubya was accused of being "bubble boy", of being disengaged and out of touch, the Repub BS spin then was not to deny that, but to say dubya was a "big picture artist", who delegates, not a details, hands-on guy. Now the post-Katrina-fiasco has the liars like Delay spinning dubya as a hands-on, engaged guy. All lies.

dubya doesn't have the "vision thing" (Poppy's phrase, Poppy didn't believe in "visions") to be a big picture type, and he doesn't have the brains, education, and mgmt experience to be a details guy. He's just fucking dumbshit tool, puppet of the corps and his Repub handlers, and he's too dumb to realize it. A pathetic excus for an "adult" and embarrassment for the country.

SW, I'd rather have a "balless" guy without the Iraq horror and 2000 wasted, dead Americans, rather than ball-faker guy and 2000 dead Americans. Your vote for dubya puts the Iraq blood, and the Katrina fiasco, on your hands, too. If you vote for dubya, you must be accountable for dubya's fuckups.

Or do Repub voters follow dubya's lead and take no accountability for the results of their votes?


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Hook Dem
09-25-2005, 10:36 AM
Bingo. No matter how moderate or conservative a candidate the Democrats put out there, he or she is always gonna be painted, with the broadest brush possible, as the biggest liberal in the world by the Republican spin machine and echo-chamber, and guys like Aggie, Clandestino, Hookdem and all the other closet ditto-heads who don't ever bother to check the facts are gonna eat that shit up like it's chocolate pudding.
Closet ditto heads????? Looks like if you live in a glass house, you shouldn't throw rocks! Check facts? Plenty of facts have been provided. You are not the only one who can dig out facts to support their arguments. Look in the mirror Dan! I truly hope you realize your mistakes before you die! No need to respond to you with insults. Thats the difference between us.

Hook Dem
09-25-2005, 10:39 AM
"It's too late, dubya, you're fucked, the Repubs are fucked, your whole legacy is fucked." (BOUTONS) .........
This is the kind of hate America is tired of. Just keep on till you and your kind fade into the sunset!

Hook Dem
09-25-2005, 10:41 AM
that doesn't mean he's a coward

i'm not the biggest kerry fan (don't like him at all)

but he Has set foot in vietnam
A lot of good men also set foot in Vietnam!

Hook Dem
09-25-2005, 10:53 AM
not bush
And you?

smeagol
09-25-2005, 11:43 AM
C'mon smeegs, everyone knows you're satan.

:cooldevil
I like whottt and I know deep in his heart he likes me too :lol

boutons
09-25-2005, 01:00 PM
"This is the kind of hate America"

Typical red-state right-wing mental confusion. Read very carefully, Boutons is gonna lay the God's-honeest-Truth on ya:

dubya/Repubs ==DO NOT FUCKING EQUAL== America.

And here's more TRUTH:

dubya and dickhead EVADED Viet Nam service. Kerry didn't.

jochhejaam
09-25-2005, 01:10 PM
[QUOTE=boutons
dubya and dickhead EVADED Viet Nam service. Kerry didn't.[/QUOTE]

Not true but even if it were what the hail does something that happend 40 years ago have to do with any of todays problems?
And they're confused...:rolleyes

bigzak25
09-25-2005, 02:40 PM
the hating libs only have so many darts to throw...it's no suprise they use the same ones over and over again...:tu

Aggie Hoopsfan
09-25-2005, 03:00 PM
dubya/Repubs ==DO NOT FUCKING EQUAL== America.

Hmm, the popular vote says otherwise.

RandomGuy
09-25-2005, 03:46 PM
You are an idiot! I don't really consider myself one party or the other, but I do hate people who are so wrapped up in which political party they support that they make every attempt to bash the other side, even when there is no cause. If he hadn't commented on Lake Charles, you would be saying that he wasn't invovled...since he did comment , you are saying that he's faking it. You are pathetic.

Both sides are trying to shake the blame off on the other.

BUT

The Bush apologists will NEVER admit their guy did anything wrong. "Mr. Vacation" is a waste of our taxpayer money, and no matter how badly he f***s up, the right will never admit he is anything less than spectacular.

RandomGuy
09-25-2005, 03:47 PM
The NORAD photo-op was a good start.


Heh, was he standing in front of a big "mission accomplished" banner this time?


:rolleyes

RandomGuy
09-25-2005, 03:50 PM
I'll admit.. it's good news for DNC in 08...
..

Now will they be able to capitolize on this?

No ..

Why you ask?

Yes

Because of Howard Dean screaming "I hate everything republicans stand for"..

NOW

If you had a moderate "We want republicans to vote for us because we have a better blah blah"..

That's how you win elections...

Calling out "ALL REPUBLICANS".. get's you a NO vote on DNC .. reguarless of who runs or what the issues are...

You want people to be comfortable and happy... that's when they click YES..

But if you SHIT ON THERE FACE.. .they are gonna vote RNC ticket just out of spite..


Eek, that almost sounds like strategy...


(amused)
As much as the radicals in charge of the GOP scare me, I still can't help but be disappointed by the left-politicos. Dean speaks for a lot of people on the left, but you are exactly right that devisiveness doesn't win US elections.

Jon Stewart for president?

RandomGuy
09-25-2005, 03:55 PM
the Bush platform stands on Morals, Self Responsibility, and Steadfastness in the face of the adversity of the igorant.

The US is at war if you didn't know. 9/11 is a major reason why.

There was also discussions on how to keep taxpayer money in taxpayer hands, social security reform and the fact that Bush stated that he would put NO Litmus test to any judicial nominees. But keep focusing on what you want. I'll just keep turning on the light for you and hopefully, one day, you hatin libs will open your eyes...:tu

NOW, i wish we could go back and discuss Gas Prices, or I wish GW would have a press conference on it, as it is the single most important Financial issue in America right now if you ask me...

Bush's irresponsible tax cuts did little to "keep taxpayer money in taxpayer hands". We got lucky with interest rates low, but the ballooning of the overall debt will require massive tax increases in the short to mid-term.

The US isn't "at war", but the GOP would like us to believe so.

Iraq is a horrible miscalculation that hurts us long term in more ways than we realize at the moment.

Bush has f***ed things up from the get-go, and the mishandling of the Katrina response is just another symptom of a disinterested leader. "The great delegator" isn't quite the great rallying cry, in my opinion.

mookie2001
09-25-2005, 03:57 PM
The US isn't "at war", but the GOP would like us to believe so.

Iraq is a horrible miscalculation that hurts us long term in more ways than we realize at the moment.

Bush has f***ed things up from the get-go, and the mishandling of the Katrina response is just another symptom of a disinterested leader. "The great delegator" isn't quite the great rallying cry, in my opinion.I like the cut of your jib

RandomGuy
09-25-2005, 03:58 PM
I was once asked by a conservative "why should I have voted for Kerry", and honestly was unable to put my finger on it, until Bush broke the record for most days spent on vacation.

Kerry would have actually EARNED his paycheck. Not an enthusiastic endorsement, but he sure would have worked a damn sight harder than the slacker we have now.

jochhejaam
09-25-2005, 04:54 PM
I was once asked by a conservative "why should I have voted for Kerry", and honestly was unable to put my finger on it, until Bush broke the record for most days spent on vacation.

Kerry: "I'll spend less time on vacation than George Bush"
Nice addition to Kerry's "litany of complaints" plan for America

And to the former army intelligence analyst that would be the clinching arguement for voting for Kerry? :lmao

hussker
09-25-2005, 05:07 PM
I was once asked by a conservative "why should I have voted for Kerry", and honestly was unable to put my finger on it, until Bush broke the record for most days spent on vacation.

Kerry would have actually EARNED his paycheck. Not an enthusiastic endorsement, but he sure would have worked a damn sight harder than the slacker we have now.


Is this the same Kerry who missed all the votes in the Senate? I am sure there is an excuse...errrr...reason for that too, huh?

Non-partisan as always,

RandomGuy
09-27-2005, 06:21 PM
Kerry: "I'll spend less time on vacation than George Bush"
Nice addition to Kerry's "litany of complaints" plan for America

And to the former army intelligence analyst that would be the clinching arguement for voting for Kerry? :lmao


Yup. I never said Kerry was some superstar, merely that he was more competant than the guy he was running against.

RandomGuy
09-27-2005, 06:22 PM
Is this the same Kerry who missed all the votes in the Senate? I am sure there is an excuse...errrr...reason for that too, huh?

Non-partisan as always,

I have NEVER made any excuses for him, unlike the Bush apologists and their man-who-can-do-no-wrong.

SpursWoman
09-27-2005, 06:39 PM
I was once asked by a conservative "why should I have voted for Kerry", and honestly was unable to put my finger on it, until Bush broke the record for most days spent on vacation.

Kerry would have actually EARNED his paycheck. Not an enthusiastic endorsement, but he sure would have worked a damn sight harder than the slacker we have now.


You seriously need to go back and look at his Senate attendance/voting records. :lol

Nbadan
09-28-2005, 01:52 AM
Donald Rumsfeld is giving the president his daily briefing. He concludes by saying: "Yesterday, 3 Brazilian soldiers were killed."

"OH NO!" the President exclaims. "That's terrible!"

His staff sits stunned at this display of emotion, nervously watching as the President sits, head in hands. Finally, the President looks up and asks, "How many is a Brazilian?"


:hat

SpursWoman
09-28-2005, 06:09 AM
"How many is a Brazilian?"



:lol :lol

RandomGuy
09-28-2005, 07:57 PM
You seriously need to go back and look at his Senate attendance/voting records. :lol

I remember that quite clearly.

I stand by my assertion that he would have worked harder than Bush does, and that is saying quite a bit.