ESPN: Spurs Emerging as Favorites to Sign Kevin Martin

[BatManu20]

Bye Matty.

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[Cklbmk]

why do we need his no defense self

[BatManu20]

why do we need his no defense self

Would you rather have no-defense/wheel-chair ridden Bonner eating up the 12th spot?

[Trainwreck2100]

Would you rather have no-defense/wheel-chair ridden Bonner eating up the 12th spot?

bonners 15th

[coachmac87]

Guy averaged 20pts last year...yes please

[szkorhetz]

I thought JJ is the better fit, and yet we did not want him, but want K-Mart?
WTF?

[itzsoweezee]

Why is pounding the rock saying Butler is the likely casualty. That better not happen.

[BatManu20]

bonners 15th

Sorry yes was a brain fart bc I was just looking at the 90's All-Star rosters when they only let 12 players on the team a few min ago. My b.

[spurraider21]

I thought JJ is the better fit, and yet we did not want him, but want K-Mart?
WTF?
JJ is still interested in big playing time and a big role. He wasn't interested in backing up Danny green

[Spurs9]

I've always liked kevin martin tbh, its a welcome signing.

[timtonymanu]

Interesting if they pick him up 10 years after he won a playoff game for the Kings.

[Spurtacular]

Spurs would be smart to see if Jimmer becomes available, tbh.

[Beaverfuzz]

Martin is a scrub now...his best days are way behind him.

[spursistan]

if he jettisons Butler, then Pop/would have officially lost the plot in my book :lmao..

[loveforthegame]

Not a bad option. Can handle the ball and score in a variety of ways. Like Marco, you'll have to live with the bad defense.

With Simmons struggling more and more I'd trust Martin in the post season more.

Let's hope it's Bonner being cut and not Butler if this really does happen.

[TheGreatYacht]

Get it done RC. Let Bonner take Sean Marks spot next to RC... It was fun while it lasted. We have a new victory cigar now and he's 100X the player Bonner is.

Hopefully this signing will pressure Green just like Marco did. He knows Simmons is a non-threat. And Martin is also a great shooter who knows how to get to the line. Would be a good fit next to Manu, or would be a nice back-up plan if Ginobili can't get in shape after the surgery,

[Ron Swanson]

If he replaces Bonner, that's fine. Don't cut Butler for him, though.

[Ditty]

Anyone but Bonner but why? Could Manu possibly be out longer and need a scorer?

[SPURt]

If he replaces Bonner, that's fine. Don't cut Butler for him, though.
Agreed. It'd be nice to have a player that can create especially with Ginobili being a question mark. Bonner has been completely unable to contribute due to injury and age. It just makes sense to cut Bonner and retire his jersey.

[TheGreatYacht]

Agreed. It'd be nice to have a player that can create especially with Ginobili being a question mark. Bonner has been completely unable to contribute due to injury and age. It just makes sense to cut Bonner and retire his jersey.
Jesus :lmao

[szkorhetz]

If he replaces Bonner, that's fine. Don't cut Butler for him, though.

[TheGreatYacht]

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Spurs beat writers always ahead of the rest. Marc Stein and Woj should take note

[Darius Bieber]

Like I've said before: just add Bonner to the coaching staff or front office and it's settled. He's in a suit every night anyways. He's the longest tenured Spurs outside of the Big Three, I doubt the organization will just leave him on the street.

[Robz4000]

If they sign him and cut Butler that'd be a terrible move. Only way I'd take him is if Bonner is done.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Agreed. It'd be nice to have a player that can create especially with Ginobili being a question mark. Bonner has been completely unable to contribute due to injury and age. It just makes sense to cut Bonner and retire his jersey.

Ceremony is being scheduled as we speak at Jason's Deli.

[apalisoc_9]

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Spurs beat writers always ahead of the rest. Marc Stein and Woj should take note

Jesus christ..these spurs beat writers are just fucking terrible. Even the biggest enemies in spurstalk and complete opposite oppinions know Butler is here to stay.

Do these people even watch a single NBA spurs game?

[EVAY]

Dropping Bonner makes sense but not Butler. I don't get that.

I just really, really, really don't like Martin. Never have.


Like others, I tend to believe that this move, if true, indicates a lack of certainty about Manu's ability to be fully effective whenever he returns. Still, a low percentage Manu would still be better than a Martin to me.

Is the team unable to waive Bonner for some reason? Is there contractual language prohibiting it?

Making Bonner a coach is fine with me...I just can't get my head around keeping Bonner instead of Butler if you have any kind of chance.

My preference? Leaver everybody where they are.

[Ron Swanson]

Buy this for Bonner and thank him for his service.

http://www.chevellestuff.net/1970/elcamino/gallery/1919.jpg

[ElNono]

Good Manu insurance... well known flopper too...

[timtonymanu]

Would rather have Butler than Martin too. They better not waive him over Bonner. Then again, it's Pounding the Cock that's the source.

[EVAY]

Good Manu insurance... well known flopper too...

Is this it? I wondered aloud in a previous post about whether this reflected uncertainty about Manu coming back full strength. Bummer.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Another 3 point shooter would be a major boon particularly with the bench. Patty is coming around but Simmons and Lunchbox are limited from range. Manu's shooting has been missed.

[SD126]

ASS on defense. Please pass and find players that can defend a lick.

[SpursFan86]

Mills/Martin backcourt is pretty pathetic defensively :lol ...but this team could really use some more 3-point shooting, and with Manu's future looking somewhat unknown this move certainly makes sense.

Agree with those saying they'd rather waive Bonner than Butler though.

[ElNono]

Is this it? I wondered aloud in a previous post about whether this reflected uncertainty about Manu coming back full strength. Bummer.

I think it reflects that neither Anderson or Simmons are there yet, or are going to be there when the playoffs come around. You get an opening of signing some vet talent, you do it.

[Robz4000]

ASS on defense. Please pass and find players that can defend a lick.

The defensive issues aren't that big of a deal considering he would be playing with the second unit (which is garbage defensively already).

[timtonymanu]

Another 3 point shooter would be a major boon particularly with the bench. Patty is coming around but Simmons and Lunchbox are limited from range. Manu's shooting has been missed.

This. I'm not a fan of Kevin Martin, but it's worth the gamble since there are no other options and Simmons is not a shooter. Martin fits the Beli/Neal role better than Simmons.

[EVAY]

I think it reflects that neither Anderson or Simmons are there yet, or are going to be there when the playoffs come around. You get an opening of signing some vet talent, you do it.


:tu

[szkorhetz]

I think it reflects that neither Anderson or Simmons are there yet, or are going to be there when the playoffs come around. You get an opening of signing some vet talent, you do it.
This year is the last run. I know we said this millions times, but this is it.
We have to give Tim and Manu everything we can. We already knew that a rookie and a second year player won't play much in the PO anyway, although in certain matchups, Andreson will flourish.

[TD 21]

Some will inevitably complain because of his birth date and the fact that he's not having a great season, but it makes sense. Even when healthy, they've needed another wing shooter/scorer all season.

Suffice it to say, he's got a much better chance of succeeding playing in this situation and if he fits in well, he's got a chance to be re-signed.

[dabom]

Jesus christ..these spurs beat writers are just fucking terrible. Even the biggest enemies in spurstalk and complete opposite oppinions know Butler is here to stay.

Do these people even watch a single NBA spurs game?

I don't think so brah. :lol

[RD2191]

As long as he can score tbh.

[Uriel]

Kevin Martin is only 32 years old and averaged 20.0 PPG as recently as last season. The guy can still play. If you can pick up a player of this caliber for the veteran's minimum at this stage of the season, you simply have to do it.

I believe the people who are claiming that this signing somehow reflects concern about Manu's health are reading too much into it. It could simply just as be that the front office recognizes that the bench lacks a reliable veteran scorer, and that Martin could be a usefu option in the Neal / Bellinelli role come playoff time.

[TheGreatYacht]

He's a better fit than ISO Joe Johnson. Tbh

[SD126]

Would rather have Butler than Martin too. They better not waive him over Bonner. Then again, it's Pounding the Cock that's the source.

[spursistan]

He's a better fit than ISO Joe Johnson. Tbh
If Pop waives Butler I'm done with that senile phaggot ..TBH..

[Joseph Kony]

Like I mentioned in another thread, he wouldn't be bad on the Spurs as an instant offense off the bench guy. Since Beli/Neal left, Spurs don't have that. Yeah Mills is capable of catching fire but he's been pretty meh most of the season. Spurs defense may also be good enough to hide his garbage ass and it gives the Spurs some Manu insurance. The offense has a big tendency to stagnate and the only think Martin is good at is scoring (flopping and getting FTs also) so he might not be a bad pickup, assuming those fucktards are wrong about Butler being cut for him

[timtonymanu]

He's a better fit than ISO Joe Johnson. Tbh

:tu

[ace3g]

Kevin Martin is that mold of player I thought the Spurs should look for who can run off screens to get open. Wouldn't hurt as role player.

Sort of like Ray Allen, Belinelli, and Richard Hamilton.

[apalisoc_9]

Would rather have Butler than Martin too. They better not waive him over Bonner. Then again, it's Pounding the Cock that's the source.

Bonner getting waived makes sense a lot of sense. I like Martin but not at the expense of Butler.

[Horse]

I hate that fucker but we could use so balls if he can be kept under control. He's a fearless faggot

[r0drig0lac]

Agreed. It'd be nice to have a player that can create especially with Ginobili being a question mark. Bonner has been completely unable to contribute due to injury and age. It just makes sense to cut Bonner and retire his jersey.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/tom-delonge-wtf1.gif

[dabom]

Bonner is never getting his jersey retired faggots. :lmao

[look_at_g_shred]

If Pop waives Butler I'm done with that senile phaggot ..TBH..
Do you think butler will even be active for the playoffs though?

[gambit1990]

would rather have him than bonner.

i'd be willing to cut mccallum to make for andre miller if he can still play. he's 39 though...

[spurraider21]

He fills the neal/belinelli role that we've been missing this year

[look_at_g_shred]

Quick, someone with those K-mart highlights.

[raybies]

Simmons still had some work to do. He's got to work on his self control during the game, whether it be fouls, or reckless drives. He had alot going for him but we typically don't go into the playoffs relying on rookies and for good reason. It's a roll of the dice. And as for Kyle, he just had to work on his consistency. Both would be better served coming in with as little pressure as possible, playing spot minutes when someone isn't playing well or energy off the bench. One more year won't hurt them. I think we have the minutes to play Martin. When Ginobili comes back, he can still play the three like we did last year with Marco and Ginobili. If Kyle or Jon gets it together they still have their role but adding another shooter and playmaker is a no brainer. Who to drop is a question I'm not gonna answer. That's a tough decision. Tougher than some give credit for.

[BatManu20]

Kevin Martin is only 32 years old and averaged 20.0 PPG as recently as last season. The guy can still play. If you can pick up a player of this caliber for the veteran's minimum at this stage of the season, you simply have to do it.


Just turned 33 a few weeks ago tbh.

[Kawhitstorm]

Mills/Martin backcourt is pretty pathetic defensively :lol ...but this team could really use some more 3-point shooting, and with Manu's future looking somewhat unknown this move certainly makes sense.


He's essentially replacing Marco who is the WORST rated perimeter defenders this season.:lol Pop had a short leash for Marco in the postseason so it's not like he going to be playing 20 minutes in the playoff like Gary Neal.:lol

[SpursBig3s]

If he replaces Bonner, that's fine. Don't cut Butler for him, though.

I agree. I don't wanna lose Butler he's been pretty damn solid all year.

[spurraider21]

If anything Marco needed more minutes in the first round last year tbh

[BatManu20]

Quick, someone with those K-mart highlights.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucUopKHibDk

[BatManu20]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co7VE59jXAk

[Kawhitstorm]

Just turned 33 a few weeks ago tbh.

Barbosa is also 33 & Jamal Crawford is 35. If you look at his career advance rating they are very similar to Crawford's (when he plays SG) except he's a much more efficient shooters.

[BatManu20]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo6CS40-KUE

[look_at_g_shred]

Batmanu20 :tu

[Kawhitstorm]

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I would burn Bonners house if that ever happened. :bang

[raybies]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucUopKHibDk

Didn't know he had a post game. One less player curry could hide on.

:bobo

[gambit1990]

He fills the neal/belinelli role that we've been missing this year
and he's better than both. he put up 19 or more ppg for 9 seasons.

[Kawhitstorm]

and he's better than both. he put up 19 or more ppg for 9 seasons.

Dude shot 51% on corner 3s during his lone season with OKC on a large sample size.:wow (Danny/Marco/Patty/Manu/Bowen have NEVER shot higher than 47%; only Kawhi this season is shooting above 50% along with Danny during the two Finals runs:wow).

[SpurSwag]

Just saw we got Andre Miller, can we still get Kmart? I would have really preferred Martin to Miller, not sure what Miller can do for us at all

[coachmac87]

Just saw we got Andre Miller, can we still get Kmart? I would have really preferred Martin to Miller, not sure what Miller can do for us at all

Yes. And most likely will..

[Emperor]

So if the Spurs sign him along with Miller, who's getting cut from the playoff roster? Aren't they allowed only 12?

[Robz4000]

Pop wants to roll out the oldest lineup in NBA history. Miller/Manu or KMart/Butler/West/Duncan...:wow

[SpursBig3s]

I don;t understand signing Miller. he's 40 lol

[Robz4000]

So if the Spurs sign him along with Miller, who's getting cut from the playoff roster? Aren't they allowed only 12?

Dress twelve

[Thomas82]

So if the Spurs sign him along with Miller, who's getting cut from the playoff roster? Aren't they allowed only 12?

No, the NBA made the full 15-man roster available a few years ago.

[BatManu20]

Pop wants to roll out the oldest lineup in NBA history. Miller/Manu or KMart/Butler/West/Duncan...:wow

:pop: "We're going to out-age our opponents."

[Emperor]

No, the NBA made the full 15-man roster available a few years ago.

Sweet!

[r0drig0lac]

some fans rejecting a player of 17ppg in career ... hilarious

[BatManu20]

some fans rejecting a player of 17ppg in career ... hilarious

And needed outside shooting.

[NASpurs]

We have coaches younger than some of our players.

[Darius Bieber]

So with Miller signing, I'm guessing Martin is not an option? Unless we cut both Ray and Matt.

[Kawhitstorm]

So with Miller signing, I'm guessing Martin is not an option? Unless we cut both Ray and Matt.

I might call-in a death threat if PATFO pass up on K-Mart b/c they don't want to cut Bonner.:bang

[JR3]

Why not cut off hem both?

[Kawhitstorm]

Just saw we got Andre Miller, can we still get Kmart? I would have really preferred Martin to Miller, not sure what Miller can do for us at all

He becomes the de facto 3rd string point guard who can play emergency minutes in the postseason which is something Ray wouldn't have been trusted to do.

[Darius Bieber]

I might call-in a death threat if PATFO pass up on K-Mart b/c they don't want to cut Bonner.:bang

To be fair, Martin hasn't been bought out. Maybe PATFO knows that Martin won't be bought out and thus settled for Miller?

[SAGirl]

It doesn't make sense to waive Butler at all. Ready to play even while staying between the 12-13 th man, contributed to wins and he's played well every time. Bonner, injured, not a second of regular playing time.

That just doesn't give credibility to the rumor to me. POP staying the course.

[raybies]

He becomes the de facto 3rd string point guard who can play emergency minutes in the postseason which is something Ray wouldn't have been trusted to do.

Exactly. Stakes are too high this year. I still like him though. And he'll probably have another year. He's been a real professional here.

[Kawhitstorm]

Kevin Martin is super efficient

Kevin Martin’s offensive efficiency this season is off the charts.Most Points per Play This Season
Minimum 100 Plays

Kevin Martin (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2394/kevin-martin) has been the most efficient scorer in the NBA this season. Martin leads the league in points per play of the 137 players with at least 100 plays, according to Synergy Sports.Another way to prove Martin has been the most efficient scorer in the NBA this season is his true shooting percentage, a measure of shooting efficiency that takes into account field goals, 3-pointers and free throws. In that regard, Martin ranks first in the league among players with at least 250 minutes.

WHY HAS MARTIN BEEN SO EFFICIENT?

He doesn’t have to create his own offense as often this season.Martin is playing off the ball more this season alongside Kevin Durant (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3202/kevin-durant) and Russell Westbrook (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3468/russell-westbrook), as compared to last season when he had the ball in his hands more often. His usage percentage -– an estimate of the percentage of team plays used by a player while he’s on the floor -- is 22.3, his lowest since 2005-06, his sophomore campaign with the Sacramento Kings (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/sac/sacramento-kings).Martin is second in the NBA this season in catch-and-shoot points (behind O.J. Mayo). He’s shooting 52.1 percent on catch-and-shoot jumpers and has a 75 effective field-goal percentage on those shots.Now that he isn’t the focal point of his team’s offense, Martin is able to let his offense come to him. As a result, his shooting numbers have blossomed in Oklahoma City.

Kevin Martin Catch-and-Shoot Jumpers
Last 2 Seasons

In 2011-12, Martin shot just 34.9 percent on catch-and-shoot jumpers, which ranked 134th of the 175 players with at least 100 catch-and-shoot jumpers. Catch-and-shoot accounted for 37.5 percent of his jump shots last season, while it accounts for 51.1 percent this season.Need more evidence that Martin isn’t nearly as ball-dominant anymore? This season, 31.4 percent of his plays are spot-up, as compared to 19.3 percent last season. Isolation accounted for 22.4 percent of his plays last season, while that number is down to 17.9 percent this season.THUNDER ARE BETTER WITH MARTIN

Thunder This Season
With Kevin Martin On/Off Court

The Thunder (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/okc/oklahoma-city-thunder) have been a much better team with Martin on the court. They're scoring 19.9 more points per 48 minutes than they are with Martin on the bench. They're shooting better, especially from beyond the arc, and getting to the free-throw line more than twice as often with Martin on the floor.How impressive is Martin’s season thus far? Let’s put it in perspective:• Only one player in NBA history has had a true shooting percentage higher than Martin’s current 70.2 percentage (Tyson Chandler (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/984/tyson-chandler) – 70.8 last season).• Martin currently averages 17.6 points per game with a 48.7 field-goal percentage and 53.6 3-point percentage. Nobody in NBA history has finished a season with those numbers. Detlef Schrempf (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/757/detlef-schrempf) (in 1994-95) is the only player to average at least 15 points per game with a 45 field-goal percentage and 50 3-point percentage.• Thus far, Martin has a career high in field-goal percentage, 3-point percentage, free-throw percentage and offensive rating this season.If Martin continues on this pace of super offensive efficiency, the Thunder won’t regret trading Harden for him.:lol


http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/51750/kevin-martin-is-super-efficient

[Kawhitstorm]

It doesn't make sense to waive Butler at all. Ready to play even while staying between the 12-13 th man, contributed to wins and he's played well every time. Bonner, injured, not a second of regular playing time.

That just doesn't give credibility to the rumor to me. POP staying the course.

There are TWO different rumors: local/national

-National: Spurs are frontrunners for K-Mart
-Local ("hot take"): Spurs are going to waive Butler

[spursistan]

He's probably going to the Heat and will get more PT there..Miami just shot 1-13 from 3 vs Boston :lol

[elemento]

...

[BatManu20]

Even if he is old as fuck, I trust him handling the ball more than anybody in the team other than Parker and Manu.

I do too actually.

[TrainOfThought5]

Bruh. Andre Miller? Maybe.... anything is better than Bonner. But we really need to that extra dynamic wing, which is supposed to be Kmart? Im just not sure about any of this.

[sasaint]

There are TWO different rumors: local/national

-National: Spurs are frontrunners for K-Mart
-Local ("hot take"): Spurs are going to waive Butler

That would be a bummer to get rid of Rasual when the guy has been gold whenever he's been called on. Especially to keep a snake-bit Red Mamba. :bang

[SAGirl]

There are TWO different rumors: local/national

-National: Spurs are frontrunners for K-Mart
-Local ("hot take"): Spurs are going to waive Butler
Got it. I only just found out in this thread Spurs got Miller?????
Anderson role model maybe?

[Kawhitstorm]

He's probably going to the Heat and will get more PT there..Miami just shot 1-13 from 3 vs Boston :lol

They already have Deng/Dragic/Wade/Joe Johnson/Winslow who are going to be playing major minutes & if Bosh is out for the season they are 2nd round fodder. He's basically going to be competing for minutes with Gerald Green on a pretender.:lol

[Robz4000]

Knowing Minny, once they heard KMart was leaning towards signing with the Spurs after being bought out talks grounded to a halt and they decided to hold onto him.

[Kawhitstorm]

Got it. I only just found out in this thread Spurs got Miller?????
Anderson role model maybe?

More like he doesn't like what he sees from Simmons/Ray to be the 12th/13th man on a playoff roster considering Manu/Tony are injury prone.

[sasaint]

Got it. I only just found out in this thread Spurs got Miller?????
Anderson role model maybe?

Andre Miller?!?!?!

[Kawhitstorm]

Knowing Minny, once they heard KMart was leaning towards signing with the Spurs after being bought out talks grounded to a halt and they decided to hold onto him.

It's about K-Mart but they are most likely low-balling him considering that Glen Taylor said they won't buy him out unless he initiates it.:lol

[spursistan]

More like he doesn't like what he sees from Simmons/Ray to be the 12th/13th man on a playoff roster considering Manu/Tony are injury prone.
Yeah, mostly insurance moves..Simmons in particular looks to be headed to the dog house playing dumb like a turnover-waiting-to-happen the past couple of weeks.

[sasaint]

More like he doesn't like what he sees from Simmons/Ray to be the 12th/13th man on a playoff roster considering Manu/Tony are injury prone.

Probably true. Bummer. Your post about Martin's time with the Thunder was getting me kind of excited about the guy.

[TrainOfThought5]

Knowing Minny, once they heard KMart was leaning towards signing with the Spurs after being bought out talks grounded to a halt and they decided to hold onto him.

Fucking minny, man. All they had to do was let him go and then sign with us to be a crucial peice to our success in our championship run and possibly key to getting past GSW. Whats so hard about that?

[InTheCrust]

:lol san antonio timberwolves

[xellos88330]

I support this move. Green and Mills have been streaky from the outside. He can also create his own shot or get fouled if necessary.

I wish his defense was better, but if he is as efficient as he was with the Thunder, he could really make defenses scramble without even touching the ball.

[SAGirl]

Andre Miller?!?!?!
Isn't he a40 yr old PG. Not really familiar with him. He's so old and I have been following the NBA last two years. I haven't really seen him, but high BBIQ, a know passer?

[Kawhitstorm]

Probably true. Bummer. Your post about Martin's time with the Thunder was getting me kind of excited about the guy.

PATFO added Bayens/T-Mac mid-season back in 2013 so "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!"-(c) Garnett

[SAGirl]

Yeah, mostly insurance moves..Simmons in particular looks to be headed to the dog house playing dumb like a turnover-waiting-to-happen the past couple of weeks.
Yes it's unfortunate, but he's been terrible with more playing time and the mistakes are on both ends.

[phxspurfan]

Ugh... no thanks. Especially if it takes minutes from Simmons.


But I understand I guess, bc the Spurs probably think Manu and Butler are done, Green is terrible, and Simmons is a rookie.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Who do the Spurs cut? Simmons? Ginobili? Butler? I don't want Rasual to leave because I like his defensive effort. Obviously McCallum is gone with the Miller signing. So who gets cut now?

[Godbama]

some fans rejecting a player of 17ppg in career ... hilarious
I like K-Mart but lol. "PPG" oh woooow!!!!

[NASpurs]

Ugh... no thanks. Especially if it takes minutes from Simmons.


But I understand I guess, bc the Spurs probably think Manu and Butler are done, Green is terrible, and Simmons is a rookie.

How is Butler done? The guy is always a positive on the court. And as for Danny, he hasn't been consistent but he's definitely turned a corner. Simmons is the one who's been beyond horrible for a while now.

[Robz4000]

Ugh... no thanks. Especially if it takes minutes from Simmons.


But I understand I guess, bc the Spurs probably think Manu and Butler are done, Green is terrible, and Simmons is a rookie.


I like Simmons but he isn't contributing in the playoffs this year. Next year will be his moment to show what he's got.

[Kawhitstorm]

Who do the Spurs cut? Simmons? Ginobili? Butler? I don't want Rasual to leave because I like his defensive effort. Obviously McCallum is gone with the Miller signing. So who gets cut now?

No worries, I'll take care of Bonner.;)

[BatManu20]

Sources: Spurs have made strongest pitch for Kevin Martin

5:33 PM ET

Marc SteinESPN Senior Write



The San Antonio Spurs (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs) have emerged as strong contenders to sign Kevin Martin (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2394/kevin-martin)if the veteran shooting guard secures his expected buyout from the Minnesota Timberwolves (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/min/minnesota-timberwolves), according to league sources.

Sources said Saturday that the Spurs have made the strongest pitch among the various playoff contenders chasing Martin, who has been in advanced negotiations (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14847730/minnesota-timberwolves-kevin-martin-advanced-buyout-negotiations) on a contract buyout with Minnesota.

http://a4.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2014%2F1103%2Fnba_a_kmartt5_cr_12 96x729.jpg&w=570
Kevin Martin is averaging just 21.4 minutes this season for the Timberwolves, who are closing in on a buyout with the veteran guard. AP Photo/Jim Mone

Martin and the Timberwolves have until midnight ET Tuesday to part ways in order for Martin to be playoff-eligible for his next team.

The Cleveland Cavaliers (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/cle/cleveland-cavaliers), Dallas Mavericks (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/dal/dallas-mavericks) and Houston Rockets (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/hou/houston-rockets), sources say, are also among the known suitors for the 12-year veteran, who has averaged 17.6 points in 30.5 minutes per game in his career.

Martin is an established scorer who instantly became an appealing target for a number of playoff-likely teams once his name surfaced on the buyout market after staying put at the trade deadline.

‎On Thursday, the Wolves bought out another veteran guard -- Andre Miller -- to free the 39-year-old to seek employment with a playoff-hopeful team. Miller cleared waivers Saturday. He has also drawn interest from the Spurs and the Miami Heat (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/mia/miami-heat), among others.

Like Miller, Martin has been used sparingly this season by the Wolves, who have fully focused on developing their young players in the wake of their inability to build on an 8-8 start.‎ But the 33-year-old long has been regarded as a high-efficiency player with a propensity to get to the free throw line. He's also a lifetime .385 shooter from 3-point range.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

I don't want the Cavs getting him. Will take him... but who gets cut? I'd rather cut Anderson than Simmons honestly

[Kawhitstorm]

Sources: Spurs have made strongest pitch for Kevin Martin



If anything, he's still an excellent FT shooter so we won't have to hold out breathes when Manu/Tony are splitting FTs.:lol

[sasaint]

Isn't he a40 yr old PG. Not really familiar with him. He's so old and I have been following the NBA last two years. I haven't really seen him, but high BBIQ, a know passer?

Is he only 40? Wow, I thought I remembered seeing him against the Big O. :lol

Yes, good ball handler with high BBIQ, but quicks that will make Kyle look like Gary Payton.

[Spurs9]

Do you think Spurs are still persuing this after miller signing? If so Id say ray and matt get cut, although it would be hard for Pop let him get cut. Butler has been playing well too.

[sasaint]

PATFO added Bayens/T-Mac mid-season back in 2013 so "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!"-(c) Garnett

I didn't remember that Baynes was a mid-season acquisition. I'll take Andre and Kevin for Ray and Bonner. That's good.

[BatManu20]

Do you think Spurs are still persuing this after miller signing? If so Id say ray and matt get cut, although it would be hard for Pop let him get cut. Butler has been playing well too.

Yes, IF Martin is bought out and IF he decides to sign with the Spurs, I think they would quickly release Bonner or Butler for him.

[tholdren]

Go back to the beginning of the season and see what you ass clowns said when I posted about it.

[HarlemHeat37]

Martin has been a net negative player for the past 4 years IIRC, but that has been mostly in a high-usage role..

His flaws are fatal in the playoffs (one of the worst defensive players in the NBA, extremely reliant on drawing cheap fouls, etc), but it shouldn't be a big deal in a 15 MPG playoffs role..the problem with Beli is that Pop tried to play him at Green's expense until he realized it wasn't working..

Martin receiving 20+ would be bad for the Spurs, probably, but he would be fine in a Barbosa role..

[Kawhitstorm]

I didn't remember that Baynes was a mid-season acquisition. I'll take Andre and Kevin for Ray and Bonner. That's good.

Ray/Bonner are essentially James Anderson/Stephen Jackson.

[Mal]

I`ll be back at 40th page. See you`ll later

[cd98]

This is a shooters league and K Mart is a shooter. Would love to have him if he comes.

[Robz4000]

Martin has been a net negative player for the past 4 years IIRC, but that has been mostly in a high-usage role..

His flaws are fatal in the playoffs (one of the worst defensive players in the NBA, extremely reliant on drawing cheap fouls, etc), but it shouldn't be a big deal in a 15 MPG playoffs role..the problem with Beli is that Pop tried to play him at Green's expense until he realized it wasn't working..

Martin receiving 20+ would be bad for the Spurs, probably, but he would be fine in a Barbosa role..


This, and unlike Beli Martin won't be as familiar with the Spurs' system so I doubt Pop will play him anywhere near Green's minutes (and if he does he's gone full senile).

[Kawhitstorm]

Martin has been a net negative player for the past 4 years IIRC, but that has been mostly in a high-usage role..

His flaws are fatal in the playoffs (one of the worst defensive players in the NBA, extremely reliant on drawing cheap fouls, etc), but it shouldn't be a big deal in a 15 MPG playoffs role..the problem with Beli is that Pop tried to play him at Green's expense until he realized it wasn't working..

Martin receiving 20+ would be bad for the Spurs, probably, but he would be fine in a Barbosa role..

The rules changes for the rip-through move were instated during the 2011-12 season where he had his most efficient season while playing a 6th man role. His fatal flaw during the 2014 postseason was being asked to play the wingman role against the Grizz after Westbrook got injured.

He's basically going to be asked to play a 10th man role w/ the bench mob (ala Barbosa) rather than the 6th man (ala Crawfrod) & he isn't as horrific as Marco/Gary Neal on defense even though that isn't saying much.:lol

[cd98]

I think Spurs are looking for shooters, ball handlers, and enough defense to handle switches late in the shot clock. Martin can handle and shoot, and while not a great defender he has length, which helps on defense.

[coachmac87]

Again the guy averaged 20pts per game last season. And instantly becomes 4th best scorer on the team. Does he have flaws? Yes. But he can shoot it and won't miss open shots which he will get in playing off the bench. It's a low risk high reward and a no brainier if he becomes available.

[ace3g]

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xal1/v/t1.0-9/10568914_928970397219140_4515430634351722662_n.jpg ?oh=c87e0728a7907ee092a1432e6cfd8df5&oe=5756C649

[Robz4000]

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xal1/v/t1.0-9/10568914_928970397219140_4515430634351722662_n.jpg ?oh=c87e0728a7907ee092a1432e6cfd8df5&oe=5756C649

Wait, does this mean the buyout's complete?

[sasaint]

The Miller signing is a smoke screen to induce Minny to buy out Martin, under the belief that we would not sign him now. :hat

[timtonymanu]

Wait, does this mean the buyout's complete?

Some fan at the Wolves Pelicans game said on twitter that Martin wasn't in warm-ups. :stirpot:

[spursistan]

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xal1/v/t1.0-9/10568914_928970397219140_4515430634351722662_n.jpg ?oh=c87e0728a7907ee092a1432e6cfd8df5&oe=5756C649

Spurs official website treating this as done deal??

[Darius Bieber]

Spurs official website treating this as done deal??

Nah just some Fan made it.

[baseline bum]

Spurs official website treating this as done deal??

No, someone called VN Design is.

[BatManu20]

Yea these pictures seem premature..? Nothing is done yet. The Twolves haven't even bought Martin's contract out yet.

[SilverSpur]

If it pushes Bonner up stairs then its a nice move and would give Manu some more time to heal.

[BillMc]

I'm late to the party. Who were the casualties of Miller and Martin? Please don't say we got rid of Butler...I'd rather lose Ray...

[timtonymanu]

I'm late to the party. Who were the casualties of Miller and Martin? Please don't say we got rid of Butler...I'd rather lose Ray...

No one will be waived until tomorrow

[SpurPadre]

If this means, Manu is done, this won't cut it. But if it means no more Ginger Fuck, then I'll be the happiest Spurs fan in the world.

[sasaint]

I'm late to the party. Who were the casualties of Miller and Martin? Please don't say we got rid of Butler...I'd rather lose Ray...

Miller seems real. Martin, however, is still just smoke.

[BillMc]

No one will be waived until tomorrow

Cheers for the update.:toast But two players have to be waived, right? Damn it, Bonner, sure but I would rather keep Butler.


If this means, Manu is done, this won't cut it. But if it means no more Ginger Fuck, then I'll be the happiest Spurs fan in the world.

God, please don't even joke about that. I would fall into a deep, deep, depression if it were the case.

[BillMc]

Miller seems real. Martin, however, is still just smoke.

Cheers man. Thanks. :bobo

[SpursFan86]

I'm late to the party. Who were the casualties of Miller and Martin? Please don't say we got rid of Butler...I'd rather lose Ray...

No one is being officially waived until tomorrow. Miller is all but signed; his agent came out and confirmed that he'd be signing with the Spurs once he clears waivers.

Martin isn't a sure thing yet. Initially reports came out that the Spurs were favorites to sign him, but about an hour later we learned that they signed Andre Miller :lol Not sure if they're still working on getting Martin or not. Martin still hasn't even reached a buyout agreement yet. Believe Monday is the last day he can be waived if he wants to be playoff eligible.

[NASpurs]

I see Martin on the Wolves bench still in uniform

[timtonymanu]

Cheers for the update.:toast But two players have to be waived, right? Damn it, Bonner, sure but I would rather keep Butler.



God, please don't even joke about that. I would fall into a deep, deep, depression if it were the case.

If Kevin Martin is really signing, then yes. But right now, only Miller is confirmed and it's speculated that Butler will be waived.

[SpurPadre]

Cheers for the update.:toast But two players have to be waived, right? Damn it, Bonner, sure but I would rather keep Butler.



God, please don't even joke about that. I would fall into a deep, deep, depression if it were the case.

I'm panicking about this too, believe me. It can't end like this for Manu.

[Darius Bieber]

If Kevin Martin is really signing, then yes. But right now, only Miller is confirmed and it's speculated that Butler will be waived.

Not on board with the Butler waiving. He's been solid so far.

[BillMc]

No one is being officially waived until tomorrow. Miller is all but signed; his agent came out and confirmed that he'd be signing with the Spurs once he clears waivers.

Martin isn't a sure thing yet. Initially reports came out that the Spurs were favorites to sign him, but about an hour later we learned that they signed Andre Miller :lol Not sure if they're still working on getting Martin or not. Martin still hasn't even reached a buyout agreement yet. Believe Monday is the last day he can be waived if he wants to be playoff eligible.


If Kevin Martin is really signing, then yes. But right now, only Miller is confirmed and it's speculated that Butler will be waived.

Many thanks guys. :bobo

Is Miller a ploy to make Timmy feel younger? :) Not really sure how he moves the ball forward unless he's a bandaid for Manu not returning...

[BillMc]

I'm panicking about this too, believe me. It can't end like this for Manu.

You and me both, bro. Not only does the team need him, but Manu deserves to walk off the court to thunderous applause a final time.

[DMC]

Why is pounding the rock saying Butler is the likely casualty. That better not happen.
Because Butler is a journeyman who's about done. Younger guys like Simmons and Ray are cheap and can be developed.

[SpurPadre]

Because Butler is a journeyman who's about done. Younger guys like Simmons and Ray are cheap and can be developed.

Bonner says hi.

[sasaint]

You and me both, bro. Not only does the team need him, but Manu deserves to walk off the court to thunderous applause a final time.

Manu's tweets have not been gloomy. But, at his age, Manu will take a lot of time getting back into game shape. So Miller would still be insurance.

[random21]

Cut Bonner, then fire the Beckster and hire Bonner to do her "job" :lol

[xellos88330]

I don't think Butler will leave. He was a teammate of Miller. Maybe that was worth something?

[spursparker9]

Well he does have OKC's corporate knowledge

[BillMc]

Cutting Butler just seems like bad karma somehow.

[TXstbobcat]

Many thanks guys. :bobo

Is Miller a ploy to make Timmy feel younger? :) Not really sure how he moves the ball forward unless he's a bandaid for Manu not returning...

I think Miller is just insurance/depth at the point guard position.

[SpurSwag]

I get that Miller is a steadying presence as a 3rd string point guard, and I'll admit I haven't watched him in a year or 2, but I feel like he's too old for that "vet saavy" to really matter. Maybe I'm wrong about how washed up he is, but how valuable is veteran leadership if the player is the slowest on the court and can't shoot

[TXstbobcat]

I'm panicking about this too, believe me. It can't end like this for Manu.

Now you you have me worried about Manu. I agree he can't go out like this.

[BillMc]

I get that Miller is a steadying presence as a 3rd string point guard, and I'll admit I haven't watched him in a year or 2, but I feel like he's too old for that "vet saavy" to really matter. Maybe I'm wrong about how washed up he is, but how valuable is veteran leadership if the player is the slowest on the court and can't shoot

I assume RC/Pop know something we don't. Probably about the state of Manu.

[BillMc]

If its a choice my instinct would be Martin is a way better signing than Miller. Not sure if this is an either/or scenario.

[SpurPadre]

Cutting Butler just seems like bad karma somehow.

While cutting Bonner is the most obvious, logical move.

[Seventyniner]

I just don't see a reason to waive anyone other than Bonner and McCallum, in that order. They are by far the two most expendable players, especially with Miller in the fold.

[sasaint]

Cutting Butler just seems like bad karma somehow.

I agree. Guy has played solid every time he has been on the floor.

[SpurPadre]

Now you you have me worried about Manu. I agree he can't go out like this.

It's just an unprecedented NBA injury. Who knows how he'll be after this? And getting these two guys, one can't help but wonder how bad it really is.

[100%duncan]

I get that Miller is a steadying presence as a 3rd string point guard, and I'll admit I haven't watched him in a year or 2, but I feel like he's too old for that "vet saavy" to really matter. Maybe I'm wrong about how washed up he is, but how valuable is veteran leadership if the player is the slowest on the court and can't shoot

My thoughts

[sasaint]

I just don't see a reason to waive anyone other than Bonner and McCallum, in that order. They are by far the two most expendable players, especially with Miller in the fold.

As much as I would hate to lose Butler, he is a journeyman, while McCallum is young with unknown potential. I actually like much of what he has shown us. I know that most of the posters here dislike Ray. But RC touted him pretty highly when we got him. Plus, we have seen very little of him in games, while Pop sees him practice. I could understand keeping him over Butler if we plan on re-signing him. But I honestly do not expect us to go after Martin (assuming he gets bought out) since we signed Miller.

[tmtcsc]

I assume RC/Pop know something we don't. Probably about the state of Manu.

Maybe about the state of DG's poor shooting. You gotta have spacing and points.

[tmtcsc]

As much as I would hate to lose Butler, he is a journeyman, while McCallum is young with unknown potential. I actually like much of what he has shown us. I know that most of the posters here dislike Ray. But RC touted him pretty highly when we got him. Plus, we have seen very little of him in games, while Pop sees him practice. I could understand keeping him over Butler if we plan on re-signing him. But I honestly do not expect us to go after Martin (assuming he gets bought out) since we signed Miller.

Hasta luego McCallum and Bonner. Butler is a player and can contribute. Bonner hasn't done shit and McCallum has contributed very little.

[tholdren]

Maybe about the state of DG's poor shooting. You gotta have spacing and points.
SPURS NEED SCORING DEPTH

[timtonymanu]

I assume RC/Pop know something we don't. Probably about the state of Manu.

Tbh, it was apparent after that Dubs game that the Spurs needed to improve their guard depth by adding another shooter. I think getting Kevin Martin would have helped in that regard.

Unfortunately, the Wolves are being a pain in the ass for some reason when it comes to their players. Remember when they refused to give Kirilenko to us?!

[sasaint]

It's just an unprecedented NBA injury. Who knows how he'll be after this? And getting these two guys, one can't help but wonder how bad it really is.

Martin is not confirmed, is he?

[sasaint]

Maybe about the state of DG's poor shooting. You gotta have spacing and points.

You're kidding right? Because Miller is NOT a floor spacer - never was; and Danny has been shooting better than 40% on 3s since the start of 2016.

[SpurPadre]

Martin is not confirmed, is he?

No, he isn't. I'm just looking at what getting him and Miller could mean.

[tmtcsc]

You're kidding right? Because Miller is NOT a floor spacer - never was; and Danny has been shooting better than 40% on 3s since the start of 2016.

Nope - referring to Martin.

[sasaint]

No, he isn't. I'm just looking at what getting him and Miller could mean.

I wanted KMart before. With Miller apparently happening, I sure hope we can double up.

[ace3g]

Martin still hasn't played a minute tonight for the Wolves.

[tholdren]

Martin still hasn't played a minute tonight for the Wolves.
nothing new this year. many games with 0mp

[Stand]

This is a win now team and so dumping Butler while carrying three developing players doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. And it should be kind of obvious that a guy who has suffered a testicular injury is going to essentially not be able to do a dang thing till it completely heals. So the window for a 38 year old Manu to get his legs back under him and rhythm back, before the playoffs, is probably going to be cutting it close.

[gambit1990]

would rather have him than bonner.

i'd be willing to cut mccallum to make for andre miller if he can still play. he's 39 though...
i brought up the notion of signing miller minutes before the news broke. still hoping we sign martin too.

[DMC]

Bonner says hi.

Butler isn't the 3pt threat Matt was.

[CGD]

This is a win now team and so dumping Butler while carrying three developing players doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. And it should be kind of obvious that a guy who has suffered a testicular injury is going to essentially not be able to do a dang thing till it completely heals. So the window for a 38 year old Manu to get his legs back under him and rhythm back, before the playoffs, is probably going to be cutting it close.

This is a common sense post. Not sure where the waiving butler came from, but I just don't see it. He's had good moments for the team too. Had to be Bonner and/or Ray that is/are cut.

[cutewizard]

Where is Bargnani

[BillMc]

Anymore news on this? Does the signing of Miller reduce the chances of Martin too?

[cutewizard]

hmmmmmmm

[Chillen]

Anymore news on this? Does the signing of Miller reduce the chances of Martin too?

I don't think so, they would have to waive another player though if they can sign Martin.

[BillMc]

I don't think so, they would have to waive another player though if they can sign Martin.

Yeah, everyone is assuming Bonner or Butler.

[cutewizard]

i feel like we need another

i dont know who, but we need another....another spark off the bench

[cutewizard]

Bargnani perhaps, hmmmm

[Chillen]

Yeah, everyone is assuming Bonner or Butler.

More than likely they will waive Butler to sign Martin. Spurs FO is to attached to Bonner.

[CGD]

Yeah, everyone is assuming Bonner or Butler.

I think that when the Spurs agreed to bring back Bonner they had an understanding with him that theyd let him go if they needed the roster spot.

Plus Butler has played well for the Spurs when he's played.

[Chillen]

I think that when the Spurs agreed to bring back Bonner they had an understanding with him that theyd let him go if they needed the roster spot.

Plus Butler has played well for the Spurs when he's played.

I agree I would waive Bonner, Butler has been pretty decent for the Spurs this season. We shall see if the FO chooses to end the Bonner era. I am expecting it to be Butler to be waived.

[cjw]

Bonner is the more useful guy against OKC (pull Ibaka out of the paint), while Butler is far more useful against Golden State (who the hell would Bonner guard?).

Given the GS matchup will be tougher and likely without HCA, we don't know if Bonner is going to come back healthy, I think he's gotta be the one they move on from.

[KenziE]

People worrying who the spurs are gonna move while martin hasnt even been bought out by the wolves ... Talk about counting your eggs before they hatch

[cutewizard]

the second team could be:

Diaw and West

Kyle

then Miller and Martin

with JSimmons and Marjanovic as backups

wow

[TheDoctor]

...I think Bonner gotta be the one they move on from.

There have been no wiser words in the history of mankind tbh.

Bonner's the new Tiago.

[cutewizard]

bye bye bonner my love

[cutewizard]

Get K Martin!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[raybies]

Expecting to hear about this guy sometime today. I hope we get him.

[Arcadian]

Bonner might get cut? Finally! How exciting.

[gambit1990]

playoff eligibility deadline is march 1st if i'm not mistaken. so we won't be wondering about this for long.

[Darius Bieber]

playoff eligibility deadline is march 1st if i'm not mistaken. so we won't be wondering about this for long.

Yep, I believe the deadline is 5 EST tomorrow.

[SpurPadre]

If this still ends up happening, the best we can hope is that Manu is still coming back and will be fully recovered. However, the reality is that Martin could be Manu insurance. There's also no way Bonner is getting cut over Butler. All this time he's been a Spur only to get cut at this point? Nope.

[Brazil]

So did we sign Kevin freaking Martin yet ?

[DPG21920]

So did we sign Kevin freaking Martin yet ?

No he has not been bought out by the Timberwolves

[MVPCues]

Bonner is injured AND done. I was surprised Ray was cut instead. If Martin is signed and anyone else but Bonner is cut, I'm officially joining the SpurPadre hate club.

[Darius Bieber]

So did we sign Kevin freaking Martin yet ?

He hasn't even been bought out yet. Latest rumors are that the Mavs and Knicks are also pushing.

[ceperez]

More than likely they will waive Butler to sign Martin. Spurs FO is to attached to Bonner.

It's the end of the line for Bonner, he has barely played. Spurs need Butler for small ball duties.

[Seventyniner]

playoff eligibility deadline is march 1st if i'm not mistaken. so we won't be wondering about this for long.

Players have to be bought out or cut by March 1st, but there is no deadline for when they have to sign.

Still, players will generally sign right away to gain familiarity with their new teammtes, etc.

[Beaverfuzz]

I agree I would waive Bonner, Butler has been pretty decent for the Spurs this season. We shall see if the FO chooses to end the Bonner era. I am expecting it to be Butler to be waived.


This, Bonner can be back in the fold after the NBA Finals. This is business.

[TheDoctor]

If this still ends up happening, the best we can hope is that Manu is still coming back and will be fully recovered. However, the reality is that Martin could be Manu insurance. There's also no way Bonner is getting cut over Butler. All this time he's been a Spur only to get cut at this point? Nope.

WTF? K-Mart is no Manu insurance. That would be Andre. K-Mart isn't a ball handler but a shooter.

[gambit1990]

Players have to be bought out or cut by March 1st, but there is no deadline for when they have to sign.
good catch, i thought there was for some reason. i looked it up:
Players are eligible to be on a team's playoff roster provided they were on the team for at least one regular season game, and were not on another NBA team's roster after March 1.

[SpurPadre]

WTF? K-Mart is no Manu insurance. That would be Andre. K-Mart isn't a ball handler but a shooter.

True, I was inferring it yesterday but what I really mean is that Miller and Martin combined are Manu insurance, in theory. In theory, Miller would make up for the distribution and ball handling while Martin would provide the shooting Manu offered. I hope getting them and Manu coming back are within the realm of possibility, of course.

[Kawhitstorm]

He hasn't even been bought out yet. Latest rumors are that the Mavs and Knicks are also pushing.

Mavs basically pursue every washed up player under 35 :lol

[Hoops Czar]

True, I was inferring it yesterday but what I really mean is that Miller and Martin combined are Manu insurance, in theory. In theory, Miller would make up for the distribution and ball handling while Martin would provide the shooting Manu offered. I hope getting them and Manu coming back are within the realm of possibility, of course.

There's no such thing as Manu insurance. Without Manu, the Spurs have no shot at a championship. The corpse of Andre Miller isn't going to change that.:lol Kevin Martin is going to backup Danny Green and although it's unlikely, it wouldn't totally shock me if Simmons was the casualty to the impending Martin signing. He's played a total of 10 minutes against Utah and Houston and his defense is pretty atrocious most of the time. He can't play more than a handful of minutes per game as an energy guy off the bench or he'll get exposed for the D-league player that he is. I don't even think he's playable in the postseason unless the score is lopsided.

[TD 21]

Martin would be a Ginobili replacement, in the sense of being a more viable third wing option/shooter than the current options.

He'd also allow them to play small ball easier and against the Warriors, if worse comes to worst and Mills becomes unplayable, he could take his spot in the rotation.

[SpurPadre]

There's no such thing as Manu insurance. Without Manu, the Spurs have no shot at a championship. The corpse of Andre Miller isn't going to change that.:lol Kevin Martin is going to backup Danny Green and although it's unlikely, it wouldn't totally shock me if Simmons was the casualty to the impending Martin signing. He's played a total of 10 minutes against Utah and Houston and his defense is pretty atrocious most of the time. He can't play more than a handful of minutes per game as an energy guy off the bench or he'll get exposed for the D-league player that he is. I don't even think he's playable in the postseason unless the score is lopsided.

We don't have the luxury of choosing a proper Manu insurance if there's a worst-case scenario of him being out...but PATFO have to do something in such a case and getting both players would be a used up Band-Aid, but a Band-Aid nevertheless. Now if Manu comes back and is 100% and we still get Martin, we'll be a better team.

[buttsR4rebounding]

I don't want the Cavs getting him. Will take him... but who gets cut? I'd rather cut Anderson than Simmons honestly


Why would you cut Anderson or Simmons? It will most likely be Bonner, maybe Butler, but never Anderson or Simmons.

[ceperez]

Why would you cut Anderson or Simmons? It will most likely be Bonner, maybe Butler, but never Anderson or Simmons.

The guy is a total moron. Anderson in his last 6 games played over 28 minutes in 4 games and around 20 in the other two. Obviously he's doing something right while on the court.

Bonner is most likely the one cut since he hasn't played much, the front line has 5 other players, Butler is likely to be kept because of his greater mobility and size and finally you aren't cutting developmental players like Simmons or Anderson. Oh there's of course Boban, I wouldn't want him cut although he hasn't played much lately.

[benefactor]

The guy is a total moron.
:lol

[lilbthebasedgod]

OFFICIAL LISTED IN THIS THREAD AS POSSIBLY BEING CUT POWER RANKINGS

1. Anderson
2. Simmons
3. Butler
4. Bonner

THIS IS AN OBJECTIVE LIST. You may disagree, just know that you are objectively incorrect.

[cd98]

Seriously anderson and Simmons are not getting cut. Bonner and Butler are the candidates.

[HarlemHeat37]

There's a 0% chance that Kyle Anderson gets cut:lol..he's 22 years old and has been playing very solid basketball, as of late..

Simmons is very overrated on this forum, but I doubt he gets cut..

I don't wanna see Butler getting cut, he has given solid minutes and knows his role, but wouldn't be surprised if the FO didn't want to let Bonner go, of course..logically, Bonner's body can't handle the NBA anymore, so it seems obvious that he would get cut, but you never know with Pop:lol

[dabom]

There's a 0% chance that Kyle Anderson gets cut:lol..he's 22 years old and has been playing very solid basketball, as of late..

Simmons is very overrated on this forum, but I doubt he gets cut..

I don't wanna see Butler getting cut, he has given solid minutes and knows his role, but wouldn't be surprised if the FO didn't want to let Bonner go, of course..logically, Bonner's body can't handle the NBA anymore, so it seems obvious that he would get cut, but you never know with Pop:lol

Bonner is the odd man out. Pop's favorite child along with porker. :lol

[apalisoc_9]

Ive always defended Bonner but my God if Butler gets cut instead of him, hes actually ruining the spurs chances of winning.

Butler can legit contribute in the playoffs. Bonner cant.

[tholdren]

WTF? K-Mart is no Manu insurance. That would be Andre. K-Mart isn't a ball handler but a shooter.
He is manu insurance - scoring wise. However, it may be hard to get him if cavs are serious. He's an ohio boy.

[SpurPadre]

If the Cavs want him, that's pretty much it.

[TheGreatYacht]

If the Cavs want him, that's pretty much it.
Doubt it lol, Joe Johnson said fuck Lebron's recruiting and went to the Heat

[ceperez]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWIRlquqXcY

[Darius Bieber]

Still no news or advancements regarding his negotiation of a buyout.......

[SpurPadre]

Doubt it lol, Joe Johnson said fuck Lebron's recruiting and went to the Heat

True. But hard to believe a season would go by without a Lebron team getting a new player that can contribute during the season.

[ace3g]

Still no news or advancements regarding his negotiation of a buyout.......

Nothing except what looks like a 2nd straight DNP for Martin.

[timtonymanu]

All you guys talking about cutting more players when this nigga hasn't even been bought out yet. :lol

[TheDoctor]

True. But hard to believe a season would go by without a Lebron team getting a new player that can contribute during the season.
They recently acquired Channing Frye. There's that.

[BSfromTX]

Both miller and Martin are veterans that can handle the ball and not get torched on the low block. GSW thrashed Parker on the block.

[Kawhitstorm]

Taylor said his team hasn’t approached Martin’s side about a contract buyout but said he’d be “open” if Martin’s agent makes a proposal so his client can sign with a playoff-bound team.“I’m not pursuing that,” said Taylor, who also owns the Star Tribune. “You always need some guys with experience who can shoot threes.”

Need guys with experience who can shoot 3s on a team that's tanking:lmao
(http://www.startribune.com/wolves-waive-miller-martin-might-be-next/370214821/)

[ceperez]

Taylor said his team hasn’t approached Martin’s side about a contract buyout but said he’d be “open” if Martin’s agent makes a proposal so his client can sign with a playoff-bound team.“I’m not pursuing that,” said Taylor, who also owns the Star Tribune. “You always need some guys with experience who can shoot threes.”

Need guys with experience who can shoot 3s on a team that's tanking:lmao
(http://www.startribune.com/wolves-waive-miller-martin-might-be-next/370214821/)

They got until Tuesday to get the deal done. I don't think Martin is playing in the current Wolves game. He didn't play in the previous game.

So that should be a sign that he's undergoing negotiations. My take is Wolves want Martin to opt out and are going to make life misreable unless he opts out.

[Robz4000]

Knowing Minny, once they heard KMart was leaning towards signing with the Spurs after being bought out talks grounded to a halt and they decided to hold onto him.

[spurraider21]

Knowing Minny, once they heard KMart was leaning towards signing with the Spurs after being bought out talks grounded to a halt and they decided to hold onto him.
Assholes screwed us out of ak47 :cry



:lol

[Ditty]

The Timberwolves seem like they have a couple of cock suckers who are jealous, and probably still bitter for kicking their ass in the playoffs when they were somewhat relevant fifteen years ago. I know Saunders (RIP) blocked a Kirilenko sign and trade three years ago to us which ended up benefiting us anyways at the end of the day with that contract. As Robz mentioned I wouldn't be surprised if the Wolves keep Martin now that they heard the news he was heading to SA once he clears waivers.

[tmtcsc]

Mavs basically pursue every washed up player under 35 :lol

If he wants to be on a playoff contender, Mavs and Knicks have no shot.

[ismael-robert]

Timberwolves arent competing with spurs anytime soon plus we probably won't keep him. This is a leap year guys so we have till Tuesday to hear something

[Kawhitstorm]

They got until Tuesday to get the deal done. I don't think Martin is playing in the current Wolves game. He didn't play in the previous game.

So that should be a sign that he's undergoing negotiations. My take is Wolves want Martin to opt out and are going to make life misreable unless he opts out.

It's up to him whether he wants the guaranteed money or a chance to play for a championship ala D-West. He can get the MLE (ala Nick Young) next summer unless he has a terrible showing which means he won't lose more than 2 mill by opting out.

BTW: Players get playoff bonus too.

[apalisoc_9]

It's up to him whether he wants the guaranteed money or a chance to play for a championship ala D-West. He can get the MLE (ala Nick Young) next summer unless he has a terrible showing which means he won't lose more than 2 mill by opting out.

BTW: Players get playoff bonus too.

Playoff bonus is almost worthless unless its the finals. IIRC, playoff bonus is about 100k for a finals appearance. 10k for first round, 15k for 2nd round and around 30k for confrence finals.