Woj: Andre Miller Has Agreed to Sign with Spurs

[SpursDynasty]

Does anyone not remember what Andre Miller did to the Spurs on 2/28/2002 in Cleveland? He dropped 37 points on us as a Cavs team who had no business being in the game with us beat us 114-107 in OT.

After that game, David Robinson got up on the team plane and basically told the team to wake up.

The team finished the regular season 22-3 after that Cleveland loss. Still lost in the playoffs that year but began the dynasty the following season with a championship. I say that night is when the current Spurs' run began.

We owe Andre Miller for making our team what it is now.

[beirmeistr]

cagey, dependable veteran, perfect pg insurance if parker were to get ginobilized by a dirty player.

[T Park]

So.
We will likely cut McCallum, right. So that's a wasted second rounder. GG, PATFO.



Yeah what a group of failure that front office is

[itzsoweezee]

Yeah what a group of failure that front office is

Same front office that was trying to trade for Spencer Hawes. They are definitely not infallible.

[100%duncan]

Does anyone not remember what Andre Miller did to the Spurs on 2/28/2002 in Cleveland? He dropped 37 points on us as a Cavs team who had no business being in the game with us beat us 114-107 in OT.

After that game, David Robinson got up on the team plane and basically told the team to wake up.

The team finished the regular season 22-3 after that Cleveland loss. Still lost in the playoffs that year but began the dynasty the following season with a championship. I say that night is when the current Spurs' run began.

We owe Andre Miller for making our team what it is now.

Better to give him a ring than sign him now

[ChumpDumper]

Same front office that was trying to trade for Spencer Hawes. They are definitely not infallible.Was Hawes going to be the starting center or something?

[itzsoweezee]

Was Hawes going to be the starting center or something?

No, but they thought RJeff as a starter was a good idea.

[Kawhitstorm]

Does anyone not remember what Andre Miller did to the Spurs on 2/28/2002 in Cleveland? He dropped 37 points on us as a Cavs team who had no business being in the game with us beat us 114-107 in OT.

He also threw the lob to Batum for the game winner:

8O_BT4oUkOY

[elemento]

Honestly I think Miller is like those kind of signings that nobody expects anything but the guy becomes a solid addition. The backup PG situation is pretty bad without Manu in the 2nd unit.

Love Simmons, but watching him handling the ball and trying to initiate the offense was cringe worthy.

[Mnky]

I think posting Andre Miller on Steph curry 10 times a game will slow him down some. He doesn't need to be fast to get an entry pass tbh.

[Arcadian]

...why?

They wanted a pass-first PG to back up Parker.

[lefty]

WOJTEK :worthy:

[TrainOfThought5]

I think posting Andre Miller on Steph curry 10 times a game will slow him down some. He doesn't need to be fast to get an entry pass tbh.

If Miller takes 10 shots away from Kawhi or LMA in the playoffs im gonna be livid.

[lefty]

Better PG than Porker

[CGD]

I think posting Andre Miller on Steph curry 10 times a game will slow him down some. He doesn't need to be fast to get an entry pass tbh.

I can see this. It's want OKC is doing to curry right now with success. Obviously, Miller is no Westbrook but the principle is the same: you have to attack curry

[Beaverfuzz]

He would be the only real pg on the team tbh

In a way, you're right.

[Mnky]

If Miller takes 10 shots away from Kawhi or LMA in the playoffs im gonna be livid.

Lma and Kawhi will get there's. Pop would attack curry with Parker running through screens in the past to take his legs away on his jumpshot. Posting him up with Miller, who is a Duncan of pgs in the post, will tire his whole body out and cause their defense to break down with help.

Not saying we will ever see it.. but if Pop is keen on attacking curry in the post, it makes too much sense to get Miller.

As far as the young guys,
Miller can also help Kawhi with his decision making down low tbh. Miller is great with his vision, and the young guys can learn from a pass playmaking pg that the spurs haven't seen in years.

[Beaverfuzz]

I think Pop is just going to rest Tony for a while, who's been having a marked decline lately, especially since he played last summer. This also opens the door for Andre to run PG on the bench unit with Mills playing SG until Manu comes back...

I don't really think he'll have a much bigger role in the playoffs than T-Mac had, tbh...

Lately?

[Beaverfuzz]

I have no problem with Andre Miller, he's an upgrade over whomever he's replacing.

Kevin Martin on the other hand, no bueno.

[HarlemHeat37]

I can see this. It's want OKC is doing to curry right now with success. Obviously, Miller is no Westbrook but the principle is the same: you have to attack curry

Andre Miller playing against the best player in the world would be some Josef Fritzl shit, tbh..Steve Kerr would probably be insulted if Miller even saw the floor against the Warriors in a series:lol

[Mnky]

I can see this. It's want OKC is doing to curry right now with success. Obviously, Miller is no Westbrook but the principle is the same: you have to attack curry

Curry was sweating his azz off in the first. Running them off the three and forcing hard fouls in the paint. Plus the post game . ..

People need to realize things will change in the playoffs like they do every year. Strategy is not the concern right now. Chemistry, comfort with the system and development is pops present concerns.

[objective]

Miller has been finished for years, and is beyond finished now. I wouldn't want them to cut any of the current players for him.

[cjw]

Butler being in the game and Parker playing garbage time PG minutes tells you all you need to know as to who will be cut for Miller.

Wouldn't be surprised if Philly (no PGs worth anything after Ish Smith) claims him off waivers, especially if they still have that open roster spot from the voided trade (DMo / Joel Anthony).

You are all crazy to think Ray has any value. He's not that young and he's awful. He was dealt for a second round pick, which you can go buy if you really want to for cash.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

You are all crazy to think Ray has any value. He's not that young and he's awful. He was dealt for a second round pick, which you can go buy if you really want to for cash.
Yep. 2nd round picks are really overrated in the NBA. This isn't the NFL. Most Spurs' 2nd round picks end up being eurotrash that we never bring over anyways.

[Mr. Body]

I was kind of amazed Andre Miller had never been a Spur in the first place.

[beirmeistr]

miller is no. 9 in career assists.

[Capt Bringdown]

You're expecting way too much out of Miller if you're bringing up even 2002 Terry Porter.

Was the year that Porter infamously fell flat on face as he brought the ball up the court...unguarded?

[baseline bum]

Was the year that Porter infamously fell flat on face as he brought the ball up the court...unguarded?

That was when he fell on his ass when the Spurs were running the play to try to win Game 4 at the buzzer vs LA.

[ace3g]

Jabari Young @JabariJYoung
(https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung)Asked Aldridge about the reported addition of Andre Miller: "Very smart, savvy player. Makes everyone's life easier (on the court)." #Spurs (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Spurs)

[Sean Cagney]

Just pass the Ball like you can Andre, that is all.

[Blackjack]

Lob City :lobt2:

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojVerticalNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA)The Spurs will waive guard Ray McCallum to create roster spot for Andre Miller, league sources tell @TheVertical (https://twitter.com/TheVertical/).

[ceperez]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojVerticalNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA)The Spurs will waive guard Ray McCallum to create roster spot for Andre Miller, league sources tell @TheVertical (https://twitter.com/TheVertical/).


Been predicting this all season. He can't make plays.

[ceperez]

My expectations aren't that high for a 39 year old point guard.

Only upside is that he's got great court vision and basketball IQ. Who knows if he can cover the craftier guards like Curry and Paul.

[Chinook]

Love it if he can work with Anderson. Kyle has more talent than Dre ever had, but picking up tricks from a really good non-athletic PG will only help him be better. I imagine he'd be the spot-starter if Tony sits, as his fit with the second unit seems abysmal.

I don't love waiving Ray, as, I thought he was playing good defense. But I guess it was him or Butler, and it wasn't going to be Butler. The team should never have traded for him anyway. The d-league is littered with PGs. And the SL team had a couple of decent ones who didn't cost a pick or require a guaranteed salary.

[Chinook]

My expectations aren't that high for a 39 year old point guard.

Only upside is that he's got great court vision and basketball IQ. Who knows if he can cover the craftier guards like Curry and Paul.

More important to wonder if he could cover Livingston.

[ceperez]

More important to wonder if he could cover Livingston.

I doubt that, Livingston is too big.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Love it if he can work with Anderson. Kyle has more talent than Dre ever had, but picking up tricks from a really good non-athletic PG will only help him be better. I imagine he'd be the spot-starter if Tony sits, as his fit with the second unit seems abysmal.

I don't love waiving Ray, as, I thought he was playing good defense. But I guess it was him or Butler, and it wasn't going to be Butler. The team should never have traded for him anyway. The d-league is littered with PGs. And the SL team had a couple of decent ones who didn't cost a pick or require a guaranteed salary.
Will it be Butler, though, when we sign TinMan?

[TheGreatYacht]

Dre Miller has a thumbs up from me. Spurs are in win now mode, the time gap is closing, can't afford to rely on Ray McCallum if one of our PG's goes down. It's an upgrade IMO

If him and Kyle are ever on the floor together though, we'll see 2007 Finals Bowen defense from the other team tbh :lol

[Chinook]

I doubt that, Livingston is too big.

Miller's been forced to guard two-guards for most of his career. So Livingston's size shouldn't be the issue Miller being bad at defense probably remains the issue, however.

[Chinook]

Will it be Butler, though, when we sign TinMan?

Shouldn't be. I do think that Bonner would get claimed if waived, though. But that would actually really help the Spurs out if it happened.

[ceperez]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2alvgEdvYAM

2 years ago against GSW

[HarlemHeat37]

Love it if he can work with Anderson. Kyle has more talent than Dre ever had, but picking up tricks from a really good non-athletic PG will only help him be better. I imagine he'd be the spot-starter if Tony sits, as his fit with the second unit seems abysmal.

I don't love waiving Ray, as, I thought he was playing good defense. But I guess it was him or Butler, and it wasn't going to be Butler. The team should never have traded for him anyway. The d-league is littered with PGs. And the SL team had a couple of decent ones who didn't cost a pick or require a guaranteed salary.

Do you really like Andre Miller as a player, right now? I'd be surprised, coming from you, tbh:lol..although I know you aren't a big Mills fan..

I like him as a coach, too, especially for Kyle, but most of the posters in this thread are discussing his potential as a playoff piece:(

[Chinook]

Do you really like Andre Miller as a player, right now? I'd be surprised, coming from you, tbh:lol..although I know you aren't a big Mills fan..

I like him as a coach, too, especially for Kyle, but most of the posters in this thread are discussing his potential as a playoff piece:(

With Manu in the lineup, there's no reason to play Miller. I think he should be active come playoff time, as you may need someone who can dribble up the court safely if a rotation player gets hurt. But I don't like him in the regular rotation, no. He's a bad fit next to Manu, and a ghastly fit next to Kyle and Manu. He's not even a great one with the starters.

Would rather have gone for Marcus Thornton, to be honest. Dude had games this season where he balled out. That has much more on-court value than what Miller has been doing.

[cutewizard]

In Pop we trust

[DPG21920]

Boris of PGs

[Kawhitstorm]

I can see this. It's want OKC is doing to curry right now with success. Obviously, Miller is no Westbrook but the principle is the same: you have to attack curry

OKC didn't do much besides Durant neutralizing Curry & Draymond blowing layups while not paying for their 20+ turnover like the Spurs along with not getting killed by 3s like the Cavs did until the final 3 minutes of the game/OT.

Curry wasn't affected by Westbrook who was mostly being guarded by Klay except on switches & Westbrick scored 26 on 29 shots.:lol

[Kawhitstorm]

With Manu in the lineup, there's no reason to play Miller. I think he should be active come playoff time, as you may need someone who can dribble up the court safely if a rotation player gets hurt. But I don't like him in the regular rotation, no. He's a bad fit next to Manu, and a ghastly fit next to Kyle and Manu. He's not even a great one with the starters.

Would rather have gone for Marcus Thornton, to be honest. Dude had games this season where he balled out. That has much more on-court value than what Miller has been doing.

Marcus Thornton is a low IQ player who even stands out among the Rockets sea of knuckleheads.:lol He's most likely going to end up on a team like the Heat who have no issues bringing locker room cancers into their organization (Gerald Green needs a buddy).

[cutewizard]

Miller can teach the super post up game to the following:

To Kawhi: and make Kawhi even better, perhaps turn Kawhi into the Olajuwon of forwards

to Kyle Anderson, who is improving by the game

and to JSimmons.....learn the ropes from a master point guard....

and perhaps even to Mills

so, all in all, a good signing i think

[ChumpDumper]

No, but they thought RJeff as a starter was a good idea.I'm sure you did too at the time. Everyone did.

[ElNono]

All we need to know now is if the Spurs have agreed to sign with Andre Miller...

[SAGirl]

Like others have mentioned, I think he's just a slowmo mentor and insurance for Tony. Post up PG who relies on tricky footwork and guile should be a good mentor to Anderson.

[cutewizard]

Kyle Anderson ascending

[cutewizard]

Kyle has quietly ascended to become a rotational player for the Spurs

[Yuixafun]

Ray wouldn't have helped this year.

At least Miller might have an impact.

[kobyz]

lol andre miller, the reason why Denver lost to Warriors in 2013 playoff and Karl got fired...

[Ice009]

The Spurs did/maybe still do need better depth at guard, especially in preparation against the Warriors where Parker and Mills are liabilities due to their size. The goal is to win a championship isn't it? And while Bonner's loyalty is appreciated, he's hurt and was barely playing to begin with. I'm sure there are other ways they can reward that loyalty without taking up a roster spot.

Bonner's crazy. There was an article early in the season where he said that he wanted to play another year after this one. It seems to me that he's trying to milk his time on the roster. If you ask me, they should cut him after McCallum if they need another roster spot.

[TheCerebral1]

Terrible addition. He has nothing left.

[cutewizard]

Let us wait and see boys..............lol

[sasaint]

ST meltdown over the 15th guy! While I personally like the idea of having a young developmental prospect over a spent veteran, neither is a difference maker. This move doesn't move the needle, tbh.

[TheDoctor]

OMG at some of the posts in this thread. Fcking mental midgets. I hope some of it is just trolling, but man, it's really worrisome at that level of stupidity. Arguing about why we dropped our 14th player? Fcking Bonner is the 15th tbh. Is this a Pounding the Cock / WorriersWorld coup d'etat? MAN...

[DrSteffo]

Like others have mentioned, I think he's just a slowmo mentor and insurance for Tony. Post up PG who relies on tricky footwork and guile should be a good mentor to Anderson.

Lol slowmo mentor

[kaji157]

New milestone coming, if Millers plays one minute alongside Ginobili-Butler-Duncan-West i think that could be the oldest lineup ever.

[cutewizard]

relax, he is the 14th guy

[cutewizard]

Parker the attacker, Mills the shooter and Miller-time the post-up pg makes this the second best point guard trio in the league

[weeks]

After jack, this is the biggest WTF moment I have ever had reading ST
Where the fuck did this come from?
classic PATFO, every other team has massive rumors before a move
we're taken by complete surprise

[BillMc]

New milestone coming, if Millers plays one minute alongside Ginobili-Butler-Duncan-West i think that could be the oldest lineup ever.

Man, you're right. At some point in April we could have two 40 year-olds out on the court at the same time. That can't have happened before.

[cutewizard]

:claw

[BatManu20]

Man, you're right. At some point in April we could have two 40 year-olds out on the court at the same time. That can't have happened before.

Was talking about this yesterday. I said I don't think there's ever been a playoff roster with two 40+ year-olds on it before. At least not in the last 40 years. Anyone feel free to prove me wrong.

[cutewizard]

older is better

in sex...................lol

[ElNono]

^ 2006 Alonzo Mourning and Gary Payton is probably up there (and they won the 'ship), but neither was 40 IIRC

[Mel_13]

2003 Jazz were close. Started a 41 year old Stockton and Malone when he was three months shy of his 40th birthday.

[BillMc]

Was talking about this yesterday. I said I don't think there's ever been a playoff roster with two 40+ year-olds on it before. At least not in the last 40 years. Anyone feel free to prove me wrong.

The last year of Stockton and Malone was close but not quite. Not sure if there were any other geezers with Kareem his last two seasons, or with Malone on the Lakers in 2004. Doubt it.

[ceperez]

Like others have mentioned, I think he's just a slowmo mentor and insurance for Tony. Post up PG who relies on tricky footwork and guile should be a good mentor to Anderson.

Well, if Kyle becomes a 6'9" Andre Miller, then that'll be a good thing.

I agree though, yet another mentor for Anderson. You would think that Bobo would have been good enough, but I guess he's too busy directing films!

[ace3g]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/drp/nba/kings/sites/default/files/styles/main_gallery_photo__480_tall/public/a4.jpg?itok=YQYY7BBb

[Drom John]

17 player years in the playoffs at age 40+.
None on the same time.
3 Dikembe Mutombo
2 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Kevin Willis
1 Robert Parish, James Edward, Charles Jones, Herm Williams, Rick Mahorn, John Stockton, Karl Malone, Clifford Robinson and Grant Hill

35 player years 39+
39 year olds Dominique Wilkins and Danny Schayes played for Orlando in 1999, 1 game, both in the same game, 8 minutes Schayes, 3 minutes Wilkins. Together?
As noted above, 39 year old Malone and 40 year old Stockton for Utah in 2003.

[ceperez]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/drp/nba/kings/sites/default/files/styles/main_gallery_photo__480_tall/public/a4.jpg?itok=YQYY7BBb

Unbelievable! That guys is still playing... Robinson has been retired for over a decade, Kerr is a championship head coach with back problems, Ferry is a former GM without a job... the other two guys.... wait... are they still playing????!

[will_spurs]

Unbelievable! That guys is still playing... Robinson has been retired for over a decade, Kerr is a championship head coach with back problems, Ferry is a former GM without a job... the other two guys.... wait... are they still playing????!

He actually started playing in the NBA only 2 years before Parker...

[BillMc]

17 player years in the playoffs at age 40+.
None on the same time.
3 Dikembe Mutombo
2 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Kevin Willis
1 Robert Parish, James Edward, Charles Jones, Herm Williams, Rick Mahorn, John Stockton, Karl Malone, Clifford Robinson and Grant Hill

35 player years 39+
39 year olds Dominique Wilkins and Danny Schayes played for Orlando in 1999, 1 game, both in the same game, 8 minutes Schayes, 3 minutes Wilkins. Together?
As noted above, 39 year old Malone and 40 year old Stockton for Utah in 2003.

Good research. Thanks man!:toast

[ceperez]

Spurs stockpiling future coaching hires? Bonner and now Miller?

[Seventyniner]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/drp/nba/kings/sites/default/files/styles/main_gallery_photo__480_tall/public/a4.jpg?itok=YQYY7BBb

Great find.

[Spurtacular]

17 player years in the playoffs at age 40+.
None on the same time.
3 Dikembe Mutombo
2 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Kevin Willis
1 Robert Parish, James Edward, Charles Jones, Herm Williams, Rick Mahorn, John Stockton, Karl Malone, Clifford Robinson and Grant Hill

35 player years 39+
39 year olds Dominique Wilkins and Danny Schayes played for Orlando in 1999, 1 game, both in the same game, 8 minutes Schayes, 3 minutes Wilkins. Together?
As noted above, 39 year old Malone and 40 year old Stockton for Utah in 2003.

Stockton and Malone were bad ass.

[Spurtacular]

Spurs stockpiling future coaching hires? Bonner and now Miller?

Not a bad idea. Udoka, Messina, Hammon could all be gone within a few years.

[Spurtacular]

Ray wouldn't have helped this year.

At least Miller might have an impact.

I'm not sure Pop gave him much of a chance. But I tend to think Ray was a sound player who wasn't gonna be a difference maker if he couldn't give Parker more rest though.

[ceperez]

I'm not sure Pop gave him much of a chance. But I tend to think Ray was a sound player who wasn't gonna be a difference maker if he couldn't give Parker more rest though.

Ray has good athleticism and a decent stroke, his biggest problem is that he can't orchestrate the offense.

[BatManu20]

17 player years in the playoffs at age 40+.
None on the same time.
3 Dikembe Mutombo
2 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Kevin Willis
1 Robert Parish, James Edward, Charles Jones, Herm Williams, Rick Mahorn, John Stockton, Karl Malone, Clifford Robinson and Grant Hill

35 player years 39+
39 year olds Dominique Wilkins and Danny Schayes played for Orlando in 1999, 1 game, both in the same game, 8 minutes Schayes, 3 minutes Wilkins. Together?
As noted above, 39 year old Malone and 40 year old Stockton for Utah in 2003.

There you have it. So this will be the first time ever. Spurs making history :lol

[Solid D]

Pop has been using post-ups from several players this season. Miller has an excellent post-up game for a lead guard. Andre is yet another option for the coaches to use there.

[DenialTwist]

Miller is ready to retire. Weird signing. The Spurs need some youth and athleticism at the pg position which is the strongest position among all the contenders.

[ceperez]

Pop has been using post-ups from several players this season. Miller has an excellent post-up game for a lead guard. Andre is yet another option for the coaches to use there.

Yet another post up player.... don't Spurs already have:

Leonard
Aldridge
Duncan
West
Diaw
Anderson
.... and now Miller

that looks like Pop's game plan... post the opponent to death!

[gambit1990]

lol andre miller, the reason why Denver lost to Warriors in 2013 playoff and Karl got fired...
not familiar with that series. didn't care, didn't watch.

but in it, at 37, he dropped 28 points including a game winner:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2alvgEdvYAM
so he won them one outta the two games they took against the warriors. he's two years older but the spurs will be relying on him considerably less than that.

george karl wanted a longer deal. and he sucks. so if andre did have something to do getting karl fired as opposed to getting an extension then i guess that's an example of his high bb iq.

[Kawhitstorm]

^ 2006 Alonzo Mourning and Gary Payton is probably up there (and they won the 'ship), but neither was 40 IIRC

Kerr, Admiral, Wills were older than those guys.:lol

[itzsoweezee]

Andre Miller is one of those guys that thinks he's better than he actually is. He's a locker room cancer that never really contributes in a productive way. Let's hope he stays glued to the bench and doesn't supplant Patty in the rotation - this is a real fear given Popovich's somewhat dubious past of playing washed up favorites over more deserving players.

[TheDoctor]

Andre Miller is one of those guys that thinks he's better than he actually is. He's a locker room cancer that never really contributes in a productive way. Let's hope he stays glued to the bench and doesn't supplant Patty in the rotation - this is a real fear given Popovich's somewhat dubious past of playing washed up favorites over more deserving players.

Do you have a link for said "locker room cancer" thing?

[BatManu20]

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[K...]

Miller is ready to retire. Weird signing. The Spurs need some youth and athleticism at the pg position which is the strongest position among all the contenders.

Young competent pg don't just appear for free. Look at the pile of trash that is this year's number two pick. good pg come up more than competent big men, but the spurs don't have the ability to trade for a better fit than d league and buy outs.

[kobyz]

not familiar with that series. didn't care, didn't watch.

but in it, at 37, he dropped 28 points including a game winner:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2alvgEdvYAM
so he won them one outta the two games they took against the warriors. he's two years older but the spurs will be relying on him considerably less than that.

george karl wanted a longer deal. and he sucks. so if andre did have something to do getting karl fired as opposed to getting an extension then i guess that's an example of his high bb iq.
That game was the honey trap, game 1 was most fluke and lying game, Karl got fooled and kept playing Miller big minutes for every game, Miller was big damege with his play in this series, series that got Karl fired...

[Jubabe]

I really bet that Pop has it under control.

[ElNono]

http://i67.tinypic.com/nc1myp.png

[Robz4000]

:worthy: tspence :worthy:

[playbonner15]

T-BOMB!!! :wow

[Darius Bieber]

The master has spoken.

[BatManu20]

Tspence lives! :wow

[lilbthebasedgod]

3/15? He's gonna be REALLY old in 3 years.

[SAGirl]

Wow that is terrible. At this rate I have changed my mind on Timmy and Manu, they are doing 2 more years too and so will Bonner.

Just damn. I though he was a stopgap this season... but maybe Manu retires and he's there to hold Anderson's hand through it all after Manu's retirement...
Wow you know what? I can't stop being sarcastic about this one. Just damn. Are we even drafting a PG at all..

[tbdog]

Tspence is joking, guys

[SpursIndonesia]

Miller is our Prigioni, as simple as that. Might work paired with Patty off the bench considering Manu situation at the moment.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Miller is our Prigioni, as simple as that. Might work paired with Patty off the bench considering Manu situation at the moment.
that'll create a lot of size mismatches on the other end. NBA SGs will have field days in the post/shooting over those guys

[SupremeGuy]

http://i67.tinypic.com/nc1myp.png:rollin

[FromWayDowntown]

The worst case scenario here is that he ends up being like the late season additions of Charlie Ward or Damon Stoudemire so many years ago. I don't think that Miller can still play, but it's also possible that he's a better choice as a third PG for this team than Ray McCallum was.

At the very least, as the schedule toughens down the stretch, you can probably give Parker some rest and keep Mills in something close to his normal minutes -- while maintaining your chance to win -- by starting Miller against the mid-range teams the Spurs still have to deal with. If he's able to give you something beyond that (like, say, allowing the Spurs to throw a bit more length at someone like Livingston for spot minutes) it's probably a useful signing. At the very least, it's not likely to have made the Spurs go backwards.

[ceperez]

The worst case scenario here is that he ends up being like the late season additions of Charlie Ward or Damon Stoudemire so many years ago. I don't think that Miller can still play, but it's also possible that he's a better choice as a third PG for this team than Ray McCallum was.

At the very least, as the schedule toughens down the stretch, you can probably give Parker some rest and keep Mills in something close to his normal minutes -- while maintaining your chance to win -- by starting Miller against the mid-range teams the Spurs still have to deal with. If he's able to give you something beyond that (like, say, allowing the Spurs to throw a bit more length at someone like Livingston for spot minutes) it's probably a useful signing. At the very least, it's not likely to have made the Spurs go backwards.

This is more a statement about the lack of potential for McCallum than an endorsement of Millers skillset.

[Fireball]

I still do not understand this shit ...

[FromWayDowntown]

This is more a statement about the lack of potential for McCallum than an endorsement of Millers skillset.

Precisely.

The book might not be closed on McCallum as a Spur (maybe there's a way to bring him back over the summer if they'd like), but if you're planning for the 2016 stretch run and playoffs, Ray's potential (which at this point seems limited) won't be much help. Miller at least has some savvy to play in big moments. I don't expect that he'll play much after he's initially immersed, but if he gives Parker some breathers down the stretch, he'll be useful here. He may be so completely done that he can't even do that, but given what we've seen of Ray this far, the gamble on Miller for the short term seems sensible (even if it might not improve the overall talent/ability of the roster).

At this moment, the endgame for this Spurs team is May/June 2016 and not much further. There's an eye toward the future, but only if those players can help win right now.

[Chinook]

Precisely.

The book might not be closed on McCallum as a Spur (maybe there's a way to bring him back over the summer if they'd like), but if you're planning for the 2016 stretch run and playoffs, Ray's potential (which at this point seems limited) won't be much help. Miller at least has some savvy to play in big moments. I don't expect that he'll play much after he's initially immersed, but if he gives Parker some breathers down the stretch, he'll be useful here. He may be so completely done that he can't even do that, but given what we've seen of Ray this far, the gamble on Miller for the short term seems sensible (even if it might not improve the overall talent/ability of the roster).

At this moment, the endgame for this Spurs team is May/June 2016 and not much further. There's an eye toward the future, but only if those players can help win right now.

Yes to all of this. I'll add that the Spurs probably feel they can't afford to waste a PG spot on a project (again especially with low upside) when they may well need that player to play in two-PG lineups. All four of the team's projected playoff opponents (Portland, OKC, GS and CLE) run either two PGs or a PG and a combo-guard pretty often. The Spurs may need to play Parker and Mills more than they usually do, so having a third guy who can play in real situations helps with that.

[FromWayDowntown]

The Spurs may need to play Parker and Mills more than they usually do, so having a third guy who can play in real situations helps with that.

I hadn't considered that but agree.

I also like the term "real situations." He doesn't have to play any significant playoff minutes, really, to be helpful, but the notion that he can be helpful in the regular season and a more viable option in the playoffs than McCallum justifies the move.

[Chinook]

I hadn't considered that but agree.

I also like the term "real situations." He doesn't have to play any significant playoff minutes, really, to be helpful, but the notion that he can be helpful in the regular season and a more viable option in the playoffs than McCallum justifies the move.

What would really justify the move is if McCallum gets claimed off waivers. Spurs would save more than a million bucks that way.

[SAGirl]

What would really justify the move is if McCallum gets claimed off waivers. Spurs would save more than a million bucks that way.
What about the reported terms of the contract? That seems excessive to me. Is the TSpence a troll? I don't go far back here I don't know that dude.

I think 3/15 is too much for a dude this old. It might end up being just a 2 yr contract since 3rd is a team option, but still. Our cap situation continues to tighten for next season.

[Mel_13]

What about the reported terms of the contract? That seems excessive to me. Is the TSpence a troll? I don't go far back here I don't know that dude.

I think 3/15 is too much for a dude this old. It might end up being just a 2 yr contract since 3rd is a team option, but still. Our cap situation continues to tighten for next season.

Tspence is a troll, but that was ElNono trolling. Spurs can't offer anything more than a pro-rated portion of the vet minimum.

[Chinook]

Is the TSpence a troll?

How adorable. It's been a long time since we've had that level of innocence here.

[SAGirl]

How adorable. It's been a long time since we've had that level of innocence here.
:toast apparently the he's been on holiday.
Just made his introduction fir the new forum members I guess .

By the way, thank Elnono.

[SAGirl]

Tspence is a troll, but that was ElNono trolling. Spurs can't offer anything more than a pro-rated portion of the vet minimum.
:bobo thanks.
I am rather ignorant on contract issues thus my innocent question. What a relief!
:lol

[TheDoctor]

:troll

[ElNono]

:lol

[spurraider21]

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I doubt people actually care enough about andre fucking Miller to have that opinion

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

I doubt people actually care enough about andre fucking Miller to have that opinion

What are you talking about. That thought keeps me awake at night sometimes.

[BatManu20]

I doubt people actually care enough about andre fucking Miller to have that opinion


:lol

[Darius Bieber]

I doubt people actually care enough about andre fucking Miller to have that opinion

Yeah, exactly. It was different with T-Mac. Nobody cares abou Miller.

[$pursDynasty]

I doubt people actually care enough about andre fucking Miller to have that opinion

My opinion is that Pop wants to be able to rest TP, but isn't ready to give up on the top seed, he can't risk sitting TP, and leaving the team in the hands of Patty and Ray. With Miller on the team I get the feeling once he gets in we will see more TP DNP rest games. That is an important thing. If it becomes obvious that we can't catch the Dubs, yet we still don't want to risk the #2 seed Andre Miller starting with a Patty backup insures we win more than we lose down the stretch. I am not giving up on #1 seed yet, especially if we easily handle the Dubs in San Antonio, because then having HCA over the Dubs will be huge. Otherwise getting all the players all the rest they need but keeping them from getting rusty will be the number one priority IF HCA is off the table.

[will_spurs]

What are you talking about. That thought keeps me awake at night sometimes.

:tu

[NASpurs]

http://www.nba.com/spurs/spurs-sign-andre-miller

It's official

[Darius Bieber]

Oh boy. He's wearing #24... We all remember the last Spur to wear that number..............

[dabom]

elnono posted a jpeg guys... jeez... :lol

[Robz4000]

elnono posted a jpeg guys... jeez... :lol

I won't believe it until I hear from tspence.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/363862684/Thailand_149__Large__bigger.jpg Lorne Chan Verified account ‏@lornechan (https://twitter.com/lornechan)

Andre Miller's first act as a Spur is to serve with the team for the @safoodbank (https://twitter.com/safoodbank) Champions Against Hunger dinner

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcbTzKKUMAARZ1s.jpg

[tholdren]

I'm saddend there were no ITS HAPPENING threads with miller or martin. where did all the good trolls go.

[LakerHater]

Miller in the background!

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[LakerHater]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/363862684/Thailand_149__Large__bigger.jpg Lorne Chan Verified account ‏@lornechan (https://twitter.com/lornechan)

Andre Miller's first act as a Spur is to serve with the team for the @safoodbank (https://twitter.com/safoodbank) Champions Against Hunger dinner

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcbTzKKUMAARZ1s.jpgAlready assisting!

[TheDoctor]

Miller in the background!

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Look how small those bottles of wine look in Boban's hands. Damn :lol

[LakerHater]

Look how small those bottles of wine look in Boban's hands. Damn :lol

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcbZwTCVIAAibIO.jpg

[lefty]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_xPNnG7pE4

[LakerHater]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ccb03oMUkAE7gsS.jpg

[Kawhitstorm]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ccb03oMUkAE7gsS.jpg

So, Pop signed him to be his personal waiter since Bonner is injured.:lol

[SpurPadre]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ccb03oMUkAE7gsS.jpg

Pop: "So, will AARP be the right choice for me when I reach your age?"

[SpurPadre]

Already assisting!

So this is why they got him. This will allow TP to miss these things and give him time to sneak out and fuck Boban's chick, tbh. Come on, TP, THIS is the moment, THIS is your time!

[HI-FI]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/363862684/Thailand_149__Large__bigger.jpg Lorne Chan Verified account ‏@lornechan (https://twitter.com/lornechan)

Andre Miller's first act as a Spur is to serve with the team for the @safoodbank (https://twitter.com/safoodbank) Champions Against Hunger dinner

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcbTzKKUMAARZ1s.jpg
that's awesome.

hopefully McCallum will get another shot but I'm a big fan of Miller so i like having him on the Spurs.

[Spurs9]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcbZwTCVIAAibIO.jpg
That face should be interchanged with Manziel tbh :lol


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ccb03oMUkAE7gsS.jpg

so :cry perfect :cry

[SpurPadre]

that's awesome.

hopefully McCallum will get another shot but I'm a big fan of Miller so i like having him on the Spurs.

Joking aside, it's better to have him on the bench that McCallum, who should have a future elsewhere. I live relatively near Sacramento and I hear the Kings may be interested in getting him back.

[LakerHater]

That face should be interchanged with Manziel tbh :lol



Gronk's

[HI-FI]

Joking aside, it's better to have him on the bench that McCallum, who should have a future elsewhere. I live relatively near Sacramento and I hear the Kings may be interested in getting him back.
Yeah, he still needs more developing whereas you know what you're getting with Miller.

[dabom]

Pop: "So, will AARP be the right choice for me when I reach your age?"

:lol

[raybies]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_xPNnG7pE4

They put Marion on him :lol

[spurspokesman]

Head scratcher

[Mel_13]

There are a number of reasons the Spurs made a move to add 39-year-old point guard Andre Miller.

To hear general manager R.C. Buford tell it, the vanity of the team’s star player is one.

“We had to get somebody to make Tim feel young,” Buford said.

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/With-The-Professor-NBA-s-most-6862054.php?t=36c8bee898927fc3fb&cmpid=twitter-premium

[Dex]

“There are some matchups in the playoffs that are not great for Tony and Patty where maybe (Miller) would be a better choice,” Buford said.

A.K.A. Livingston.

Seems like a smart move to me. Adds more veteran experience and a player that can be relied on for spot minutes in the playoffs or if Tony, Patty, or Manu are unavailable.

And this is coming from someone who always felt Miller was slightly overrated. He is still a better option that McCallum would be in these situations, and like someone already said, Spurs are particularly in "win-now" mode while Duncan is still tying up his laces.

[Leetonidas]

Spurs lack playmakers and Miller despite being old as fuck can still play and run an offense imo, good signing

[TheDoctor]

Does Miller has a proved history against Livingston? Posting, bullying him? Cause SL is 6'7" while Miller is 6'3".

[Dex]

Does Miller has a proved history against Livingston? Posting, bullying him? Cause SL is 6'7" while Miller is 6'3".

Not sure about any proven history per se. But Miller has 15 lbs and an inch on Parker, and three inches on Mills, so he's a better physical matchup regardless. He's also a better post threat and post defender, which is one of Livingston's preferred spots on the floor.

Tbh, the thought of Livingston posting up Patty was a considerable concern to me. Will remain to be seen if this is the solution, but at least the Spurs have options now.

[TheDoctor]

Not sure about any proven history per se. But Miller has 15 lbs and an inch on Parker, and three inches on Mills, so he's a better physical matchup regardless. He's also a better post threat and post defender, which is one of Livingston's preferred spots on the floor.

Tbh, the thought of Livingston posting up Patty was a considerable concern to me. Will remain to be seen if this is the solution, but at least the Spurs have options now.

Cool. Thanks Dex :tu

[BatManu20]

Missing FT's. He'll fit right in.

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[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

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[bklynspursfan]

Maybe we'll have positive things happen with this number 24 as opposed to the last

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[BatManu20]

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[UNT Eagles 2016]

Maybe we'll have positive things happen with this number 24 as opposed to the last

704769785083482112
Malcolm Thomas? He was alright for us, just never given much of a chance

http://saltcityhoops.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/hi-res-463873103-malcolm-thomas-of-the-san-antonio-spurs-dribbles-up-the_crop_north.jpg

[DPG21920]

Is it not odd that Miller didn't know about the Spurs deal since it wasn't a trade and he wasn't claimed? I guess he gave his list of preferred teams to his agent and when the Spurs called his agent chose off of that?

Also, if people have read about Miller, he's an odd dude. Doesn't seem to have friends or really care about teammates in that way. Like a really anti-social Duncan in that he not only is reserved, but almost rubs people the wrong way.

[Kawhitstorm]

They put Marion on him :lol

Porker struggled against WASHED UP Marion early in the 2014 series.:lol

[will_spurs]

Malcolm Thomas?

Nice try.

[TheGreatYacht]

Porker struggled against WASHED UP Marion early in the 2014 series.:lol
Prime Marion is better than Kiki Leonard tho :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

Prime Marion is better than Kiki Leonard tho :lol

Prime Marion got outscored by Nazr: http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2005-nba-western-conference-finals-spurs-vs-suns.html :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

Prime Marion got outscored by Nazr: http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2005-nba-western-conference-finals-spurs-vs-suns.html :lmao
While being defended by the best SF this team has ever had :wow

[BatManu20]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ccf1F2MW0AEfaO2.jpg:large

[NASpurs]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ccf1F2MW0AEfaO2.jpg:large

http://pre02.deviantart.net/4d35/th/pre/f/2007/280/8/1/droopy__s_head_by_drawright.png

[ceperez]

Is it not odd that Miller didn't know about the Spurs deal since it wasn't a trade and he wasn't claimed? I guess he gave his list of preferred teams to his agent and when the Spurs called his agent chose off of that?

Also, if people have read about Miller, he's an odd dude. Doesn't seem to have friends or really care about teammates in that way. Like a really anti-social Duncan in that he not only is reserved, but almost rubs people the wrong way.

Just watching the interview, his reaction seemed odd.

I mean, you just got bought out by your former team, you are at the end of your career and then all of a sudden you are playing for a championship. I would think a little more excitement is called for.

[dabom]

Missing FT's. He'll fit right in.

704732205432483840

Becky telling him how to miss...

[Kawhitstorm]

While being defended by the best SF this team has ever had :wow

Yeah b/c Porker was guarding Nash.:sleep

[houston spurs fan]

Holy shit he makes Greg Oden look young

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Nice try.
I don't get it? Malcolm Thomas played here in 2014 and we haven't had a #24 since.

[bklynspursfan]

Malcolm Thomas? He was alright for us, just never given much of a chance

http://saltcityhoops.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/hi-res-463873103-malcolm-thomas-of-the-san-antonio-spurs-dribbles-up-the_crop_north.jpg

Ah yes. Forgot about him! He was better than the other guy

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Ah yes. Forgot about him! He was better than the other guy

I don't remember another #24 on the Spurs with my lifetime. We didn't trade for Kobe did we?

[elemento]

http://pre02.deviantart.net/4d35/th/pre/f/2007/280/8/1/droopy__s_head_by_drawright.png

:lmao

[SAGirl]

Is it not odd that Miller didn't know about the Spurs deal since it wasn't a trade and he wasn't claimed? I guess he gave his list of preferred teams to his agent and when the Spurs called his agent chose off of that?

Also, if people have read about Miller, he's an odd dude. Doesn't seem to have friends or really care about teammates in that way. Like a really anti-social Duncan in that he not only is reserved, but almost rubs people the wrong way.
He did express surprise, but there was uncertainty if the deal for him to get waived was going to go through with Minny, so he was ready to finish the season there, so he might have known his top choice and so, but not that the deal was going to go through in time. It looked like Minny had earlier been looking for trades and nothing materialized, and then with the waiver, the same he was unsure if it was going to happen.

But he definitely wasn't a dude that expressed to be psyched to be here like D.West or Rasual. Like you say, it could be his personality. Also, his role just to be ready. Unlike Rasual, who his agent, and some of the coaching staff specifically mentioned that one of the things they liked about him was his development of a relationship with the young wings and his mentoring them (and basically stay ready if they don't come through, we know who they are).

The most explicit expression concerning his role was RC stating that there are matchups that Tony and Patty struggle with. That Ray didn't develop quick enough into a defensive guard that they could rely on probably prompted Spurs to acquire him. Also, while Simmons has shown potential he cannot at this point be relied to not TO or have a defensive lapse.

[SAGirl]

Just watching the interview, his reaction seemed odd.

I mean, you just got bought out by your former team, you are at the end of your career and then all of a sudden you are playing for a championship. I would think a little more excitement is called for.
Also, the phrase "its just business, and being a professional."

[Spurtacular]

The most explicit expression concerning his role was RC stating that there are matchups that Tony and Patty struggle with. That Ray didn't develop quick enough into a defensive guard that they could rely on probably prompted Spurs to acquire him. Also, while Simmons has shown potential he cannot at this point be relied to not TO or have a defensive lapse.

If RC really said that, he's a moron. I could've told you from the get go that Black Ollie is below average defensively and always will be.

[SAGirl]

If RC really said that, he's a moron. I could've told you from the get go that Black Ollie is below average defensively and always will be.
He only said what I stated about Miller... the mention of Black Ollie and Simmons is my own.
The quote is here:


“There are some matchups in the playoffs that are not great for Tony and Patty where maybe (Miller) would be a better choice,” Buford said

These are RC Buford comments on Ray:

I believe there is still a good development opportunity ahead for Ray,” Buford said. “The needs of this group as we approach the playoffs presented a different challenge. (Miller) brings us experience for the playoffs.”

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/With-The-Professor-NBA-s-most-6862054.php

[Spurtacular]

He only said what I stated about Miller... the mention of Black Ollie and Simmons is my own.
The quote is here:



These are RC Buford comments on Ray:


http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/With-The-Professor-NBA-s-most-6862054.php

Well, I don't think it came down to defense. Spurs knew Ray nothing special on defense. Like other posters said, he just couldn't give the Spurs much in the way of minutes. It's not that he was slotted for regular minutes; but when someone struggled, the Spurs weren't turning to him; so, he was expendable.

[bklynspursfan]

I don't remember another #24 on the Spurs with my lifetime. We didn't trade for Kobe did we?

Ha.. nah, Richard Jefferson

[SAGirl]

Well, I don't think it came down to defense. Spurs knew Ray nothing special on defense. Like other posters said, he just couldn't give the Spurs much in the way of minutes. It's not that he was slotted for regular minutes; but when someone struggled, the Spurs weren't turning to him; so, he was expendable.
Aside from what he explicitly said, everything else is your inference or my own. Because his comments were specific on defensive matches for Patty and Tony, I assumed that was something they specifically wanted from a 3rd string PG.. as CoJo fit in very well and always found himself time due to his defensive acumen. For Ray or anyone to carve out a role, that was the role, as they already have a terrific shooter in Patty and a scoring slasher in Tony. Obviously, I admit these are my assumptions. I disagree with you on Ray, he played little, but I thought his best attribute was precisely his dedication on defense. He didn't need to be a stalwart, but he was dedicated enough to have impact.

[Spurtacular]

Aside from what he explicitly said, everything else is your inference or my own. Because his comments were specific on defensive matches for Patty and Tony, I assumed that was something they specifically wanted from a 3rd string PG.. as CoJo fit in very well and always found himself time due to his defensive acumen. For Ray or anyone to carve out a role, that was the role, as they already have a terrific shooter in Patty and a scoring slasher in Tony. Obviously, I admit these are my assumptions. I disagree with you on Ray, he played little, but I thought his best attribute was precisely his dedication on defense. He didn't need to be a stalwart, but he was dedicated enough to have impact.

RC was throwing Black Ollie a bone and not saying he sucked at orchestrating an offense.

[DPG21920]

That's just Miller's M.O. It's who he is - doesn't seem to care about making friends or building comradery. He views basketball strictly as a job and does not seem to derive any joy from the game :lol. Like he's going to work from 9-5 in a cube or something (not that there is anything wrong with working 9-5 in a cube)

[BatManu20]

http://pre02.deviantart.net/4d35/th/pre/f/2007/280/8/1/droopy__s_head_by_drawright.png

:lol

[The Whopper]

We really should have retired Lloyd Daniels's jersey.

[will_spurs]

I don't remember another #24 on the Spurs with my lifetime. We didn't trade for Kobe did we?

You remember wrong: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/numbers.html

[BillMc]

He only said what I stated about Miller... the mention of Black Ollie and Simmons is my own.
The quote is here:


“There are some matchups in the playoffs that are not great for Tony and Patty where maybe (Miller) would be a better choice,” Buford said





I assume he's thinking of big backup points like Livingston and maybe Rivers Jr.

[gambit1990]

he looks like richard pryor x adam sandler. he even sounds like like richard.

[szkorhetz]

You know

[beirmeistr]

He's fine because he will feed Kawhi.

[Drom John]

From basketball-reference.com
Spurs #24
Charles Beasley (1968-1971)
Bob Netolicky (1973-1974)
Mack Calvin (1977)
Jim Eakins (1978)
John Lambert (1982)
Johnny Dawkins (1987-1989)
Dwayne Schintzius (1991)
Lloyd Daniels (1993-1994)
Richard Jefferson (2010-2012)
Malcolm Thomas (2014)

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Ha.. nah, Richard Jefferson

I don't seem to remember that guy. Did he play during the dark era?

[vander]

He's fine because he will feed Kawhi.

or LMA, what did the Spurs even sign LMA for if they aren't going to feed him the ball in the post

[gambit1990]

he's gonna help us get some easy buckets.