2016 Draft Prospect: Gary Payton II

[Cklbmk]

http://content.draftexpress.com/headshots/garypayton%20ii.jpg

Height 6'3''
Weight 180
Birthday 12/1/1992
Team: Oregon St
County USA
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Gary-Payton-II-88099/


Projected at 40 currently. Has great length for his size (6'6.5 wingspan)

He can rebound like a big too. Can't shoot but that could be fixable

[Chinook]

I do think he's interesting. Would be awesome to have a defensive PG, but at 23 it's hard to think he has a lot of upside left. Would be nice to get a guy who could eventually start.

[CGD]

marylands Melo Trimble is dropping on some boards. He'd be a solid pg prospect.

[TrainOfThought5]

We need the cerebral, talented, two way PG of the future ASAP. Ginobili is about to retire so we need to find a new best playmaker. Kyle Anderson wont be able to do it all by himself.

[palangi]

I do think he's interesting. Would be awesome to have a defensive PG, but at 23 it's hard to think he has a lot of upside left. Would be nice to get a guy who could eventually start.

No upside because he is 23? 23 is old now huh?

[Chinook]

No upside because he is 23? 23 is old now huh?

Yes. Quite old.

[benefactor]

No upside because he is 23? 23 is old now huh?
He will turn 24 a couple of months into his rookie year. To put that in perspective, by the time Kawhi Leonard turned 24 he had spent 4 years in the league molding his game, won a Finals MVP and signed a max contract. If you are going to draft a 23(soon to be 24) year old, they need to be pretty close to ready to be worth investing time in.

[palangi]

He will turn 24 a couple of months into his rookie year. To put that in perspective, by the time Kawhi Leonard turned 24 he had spent 4 years in the league molding his game, won a Finals MVP and signed a max contract. If you are going to draft a 23(soon to be 24) year old, they need to be pretty close to ready to be worth investing time in.

I agree. I'm just saying there is still upside with him. Being 23 didn't mean there isn't upside, I though that was a little short sided on thinking.

[Chinook]

I agree. I'm just saying there is still upside with him. Being 23 didn't mean there isn't upside, I though that was a little short sided on thinking.

Essentially, he'd be about as good as 20-year-old Joseph when he's 24. It's entirely possible that he'll never develop enough to take over for Parker. But even if he does, he'd be like 27-28, is not older.

[buttsR4rebounding]

No upside because he is 23? 23 is old now huh?

Must have mistaken this for a 76ers forum.

[palangi]

Essentially, he'd be about as good as 20-year-old Joseph when he's 24. It's entirely possible that he'll never develop enough to take over for Parker. But even if he does, he'd be like 27-28, is not older.
How do you know he wouldn't be ready by 27 or 28? You got a time travel machine? You quantify everything you say as fact.

but yeah let's just draft 18 year olds because only they have potential and aren't tapped out.

[apalisoc_9]

Need someone that can ease the offensive load for leonard when manu retires

[Chinook]

You quantify everything you say as fact.

Don't be that guy, bro. First, don't be that guy who can't read a sentence (I said he might be ready by 27-28, the point being that that is very old for a first-time starter, not that he would definitely not be). But definitely don't be that guy who runs around trying to get everyone to say "In my opinion" all the time. We know it's our opinions -- we don't have to say it.

[Drom John]

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[SAGirl]

PG is tough to learn in the Spurs system. His rook season he would be 24_25 years old and in the dleague working on his shot and bbiq in the Spurs system. He either emerges from that ready to play or he doesn't. Would be 25_26 his 2nd season, by that point he's pretty much the player he will be, maybe add a wrinkle here or there after that, but don't expect big leaps.

A mention is made in draftexpress that he wasn't a strict PG either and has struggled even at the college level running an offense, that his BBiQ is not very high in that regard, makes questionable decisions. Has played as a combo guard of sorts and you can't pull that off in the NBA without a 3 pt shot. There are mentions of him having a loose handle and struggling with his dribble, making a guy with his athletic advantage settle for bad shots and not be as aggressive attacking the basket.

I guess we are picking late and can't be choosy but there is a chance the guy is unplayable given these red flags. If he was younger then for sure nice, but you are 23 in the Ncaa with a loose handle and questionable decision making and no shot? Seems like one of those guys that stands out bc they are a superior athlete to other kids in the ncaa, when that is gone in the NBA could be a major bust.

[Biggems]

so what if he is 24. Give him 2-3 years behind Parker.......then he can take over as the starter in his late 20s and give us 8-10 years as a starter as long as he stays healthy.

[BackHome]

Want the best PG or SG that has the following:

1. Can dribble the damn ball (No More Green)
2. Good court vision/passer
3. Can create his own shot - quick first step
4. Good outside shooter
5. Athletic can dunk..lol
6. Decent rebounder/defender

[TrainOfThought5]

As low as we'll be drafting i wouldnt mind adding him, tbh.

[stnick2261]

Want the best PG or SG that has the following:

1. Can dribble the damn ball (No More Green)
2. Good court vision/passer
3. Can create his own shot - quick first step
4. Good outside shooter
5. Athletic can dunk..lol
6. Decent rebounder/defender

My needs are simpler... I want the best PG that has the following:

1. Don't make mistakes
2. Elite defender

He'll be playing with Leonard & LMA so we don't need much more than that (and we won't be getting much more than that without trading up)

[TrainOfThought5]

Want the best PG or SG that has the following:

1. Can dribble the damn ball (No More Green)
2. Good court vision/passer
3. Can create his own shot - quick first step
4. Good outside shooter
5. Athletic can dunk..lol
6. Decent rebounder/defender

Who are we trading to get this guy?

[Trill Clinton]

this is who i want. him or tyler ullis. RC please do me a solid here and get GP2

[objective]

He might be the best option. Flawed player in big ways, but that late in the draft you might hope to just get one good contract worth.

Corey Joseph was very young, mostly unplayable for 2.5 years, still didn't become a starter, and the Spurs couldn't afford to keep him for a second contract. LJC was young and still isn't ready for garbage time in the NBA and might never be.

Als, call me crazy, but ... He doesn't look anything like Gary Payton to me. Boban looks more like he could be related to Payton then this kid.

[Spurs9]

Dude looked pretty good in the combine games.

[Drom John]

Drafttek: NBA Mock Draft - Pre-Lottery
May 15, 2016

29 San Antonio
Gary Payton
Oregon State PG
6'3" 185
Reach/Value: -11 (which means Drafttek has Payton as 40th best)
The player rankings are a driver in Drafttek's simulation output - our computerized Consensus Mock Draft looks at where a player sits on the Big Board with respect to the number of the current selection.

[Brian Windhorst]

No upside because he is 23? 23 is old now huh?
9 months older than Kyle Anderson, who most of this board seems ready to give up on.

[Drom John]

SBNation: NBA Mock Draft 2016: Brandon Ingram is the right choice for 76ers
By Kevin O'Connor  kevinOConnorNBA on May 17, 2016, 8:46p


29. San Antonio Spurs - G Gary Payton II, Oregon State

Payton's primary weakness is his shooting and the Spurs have a strong history of improving jumper mechanics. Plus, Tony Parker won't last forever and Payton could be groomed behind him over the next few seasons.

[Drom John]

Radio Troy: 2016 NBA MOCK DRAFT
May 18, 2016

[lmbebo]

meh

[SAGirl]

Gary Payton II, Senior, PG/SG, Oregon State
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/NBA-Combine-Competitive-Action-Recap-Day-One-5479

8 points, 4 assists, 2 turnovers, 1 steal, 5 fouls, 4-6 2P, 23.3 minutes


Payton didn't exactly steal the show in Thursday's 5-on-5 session, but he stayed in his lane offensively, used his athleticism in transition, did a nice job of staying in front of Cat Barber (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Cat-Barber-7067/) on defense, and made a couple of impressive passes while on the move in the half court. Payton isn't the most natural point guard, often looking to give the ball up rather than probing and facilitating offense. He found some success, however, in quick actions to the rim, displaying impressive vision and accuracy on a drive and kick in traffic while also showing excellent touch and instincts on a lob pass. Payton's highlight of the day came when he barreled down the lane unguarded and hammered home a tomahawk dunk off of two feet. The 23-year-old Seattle native still has his struggles as a scorer in the half court, mostly due to his shooting stroke. Payton missed a wide open pull up jumper from the elbow and turned down an open three from the wing a few possessions later. He's not quite a vocal floor general or big-time shot creator, but with Payton's defense, passing instincts, physical tools (6' 3” with a 6' 8” wingspan) and athleticism he was able to find some success playing off the ball next to Kay Felder (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kay-Felder-77928/), and remains an intriguing second-round prospect.

[td4mvp2k]

Payton II was named the Pac-12's Defensive Player of the Year in each of his two seasons with the Beavers. His father is still a major influence on his game, but Payton II has also looked to contemporary players to model his play after.

"Tony Allen, Kawhi Leonard and a little splash of (Russell) Westbrook," Payton II told the Arizona Republic. "All defensive-minded, get the offense going and a one-man fast break."His shooting needs work the most but if spurs can trade for a 2nd rd pick I like him there... would really like to throw him on westbrook tbh

[Drom John]

Talk Sports Philly: 2016 NBA Mock Draft
May 30th, 2016 by Ryan Waterman

29.) San Antonio Spurs- Gary Payton II (PG/Oregon State)

[objective]

I've had a hard time finding full game footage from this season, only found some from last.

But I think he's my number one in-range player. So much to like about him, and weaknesses are either something that can be improved (shooting) or aren't a big deal in the context of being on the Spurs.

I might change my mind if I had 5 games to break down from the tourneys and late in the season, but I would be head over heels with a GPII pick.

[loveforthegame]

He's been my pick for awhile. The only guys making me think differently are Brogdon and Barber.

[palangi]

I'd like to buy a pick in the second round to get him. I'd like to get Dejounte Murray though with our first rounder. He is a difference maker at the PG. But Peyton would be great as a backup. Two young PG to develop would be nice.

[loveforthegame]

I'd love the Spurs to get Murray but I'd be shocked if he falls to them. Most the guys I like are early second picks.

[objective]

Cross-posting from a thread on the main board, Payton is my guy :

I'm ALL IN for Gary Payton II. Don't be too thrown off by mocks having him in the back half of the second round. Hill was a second round forecast on DX that wasn't in mocks until June of that year, never higher than 41. Larry Nance Jr was wasn't even in DX mocks until mid June and then as an end of second rounder, he went first round.

Payton will be perfect, and is more point guard ready than Hill was.

He's knocked for defensive consistency but despite that was still the 2 time PAC 12 defensive player of the year. A slashing, finishing guard with a better than 2 to 1 assist to turnover ratio? A guy who averaged more steals than turnovers? An unselfish guard who is happy to move the ball early rather than pound and pound?

A tremendous rebounder, plays strong, plays tough, ruins teams in transition. I love him. Shot is weak but if he could just get to average with Chip's help, he's going to be damn effective. Not a pure passer, but he can pass from the pick and roll just fine.

Put him out there with Kawhi and Green and the defense will be punishing.

He's an older player, but I like that with him. The Spurs will get likely get his best years very cheaply. Who could be happy with another Joseph situation, where the Spurs pour years and money and effort into developing him only to not be able to afford him once the light comes on.

He is my number one target. He could make a similar impact to Hill's rookie year but I think even better, because Hill was even less prepared with regard to point duties and competition step up with his joke conference compared to the PAC 12

[TheCerebral1]

I've been interested in him as a player for a while. Very rarely are the sons as good as their HOF parent, but he could be a regular off the bench for sure. If they were able to buy a pick in the 30-35 range and he's there I'd be all about that. I prefer him to Ulis.

[Mr. Body]

This is why trading that 2nd pick for McCallum was a bad idea. Nabbing guys that slip. But then I think this guy is gone really 2nd. May pop up in the late 1st. Wouldn't be surprised.

[objective]

Kevin Pelton was on a podcast with David Locke and has Payton as one of his best analytic prospects and has him as one of his favorite players.

In Pelton's projection database going back 10 years, Payton was defensively off the charts. Projected among points as the second highest steal % all time in database, 1st in rebounding for pgs all time, and 1st in block % all time.

He compared him to Eric Snow and Earl Watson. I think that's fair except that Payton is much more athletic and would make more of an impact I think. And Watson and Snow both had 12 year careers. Watson started 1/4 of his games and Snow started 2/3.

Payton has to be the guy.

[jyra]

This is why trading that 2nd pick for McCallum was a bad idea. Nabbing guys that slip. But then I think this guy is gone really 2nd. May pop up in the late 1st. Wouldn't be surprised.

The picks at the end of the second round can be had for nothing. If the Spurs really want a guy in that range they can easily buy another pick.

[Mr. Body]

The picks at the end of the second round can be had for nothing. If the Spurs really want a guy in that range they can easily buy another pick.

Yeah, but now we have to spend money to get one. Wasted the one we had.

[Mr. Body]

Anyway, I like Payton. Think he'll get into the first round.

[elemento]

Didn't think he was a 1st round pick, but undrafted is surprising.