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RandomGuy
03-02-2016, 10:46 AM
Hoping she goes for Sanders, that would be a particularly powerful combination to spur Democratic turnout, and keep the energetic youth attracted to Sanders so far. Just my take.
I guess we will get to see how that goes. In a few months.
Blizzardwizard
03-02-2016, 10:57 AM
Sanders would have more influence in the senate IMO
baseline bum
03-02-2016, 11:01 AM
Hoping she goes for Sanders, that would be a particularly powerful combination to spur Democratic turnout, and keep the energetic youth attracted to Sanders so far. Just my take.
I guess we will get to see how that goes. In a few months.
That would be horrible, Sanders would be taken out the senate and put into a powerless position. He's way too old to be the nominee in waiting if Clinton wins this November. Castro has to be the frontrunner.
RandomGuy
03-02-2016, 11:07 AM
That would be horrible, Sanders would be taken out the senate and put into a powerless position. He's way too old to be the nominee in waiting if Clinton wins this November. Castro has to be the frontrunner.
The VP is the tiebreaker in the Senate, btw.
Castro would be another solid choice.
Either way, it will be good. I could see Castro playing a very strong role in the future cabinet, or weighing in running for the Senate from Texas when the next Texas vacancy opens up in 2018. Right about the time to start testing the waters for Battleground Texas' dividends.
Dirk Oneanddoneski
03-02-2016, 11:31 AM
I think it will be someone with the bean gene from Florida
baseline bum
03-02-2016, 11:48 AM
The VP is the tiebreaker in the Senate, btw.
Any warm body can cast the tiebreaker in the senate for his party.
Either way, it will be good. I could see Castro playing a very strong role in the future cabinet, or weighing in running for the Senate from Texas when the next Texas vacancy opens up in 2018. Right about the time to start testing the waters for Battleground Texas' dividends.
That's lunacy. You think the conservative voters are going to die off in two years? Castro would lose in a landslide running for the Senate in 2018. The Dems will probably try to groom him for a 2024 presidential run if Clinton wins this year, or a 2020 run if she loses.
Wild Cobra
03-02-2016, 12:12 PM
You mean it isn't Bill Clinton?
Chinook
03-02-2016, 12:26 PM
Think Castro would be a fun nominee. I'd love to see if it could get Hispanic turnout in Texas and other red states (like Utah and Arizona). With the possible exception of Arizona, I don't see those states turning blue. But if Trump wins the nomination, it would probably make for the closet election in a while.
Pelicans78
03-02-2016, 12:28 PM
Sanders would have more influence in the senate IMO
He hasn't had much influence in the last 30 years outside of his wonderful work with the VA.
The VP is the tiebreaker in the Senate, btw.
In the age of filibuster, it means nothing. Sanders is too valuable to be VP consider he is too old to play the role of POTUS in waiting.
Mitch
03-02-2016, 12:37 PM
Castro should be the guy, makes the most sense.
I've thought Castro should be the guy for a long time. He wants it badly too.
Maybe Bernie could be in the cabinet as labor secretary or something.
baseline bum
03-02-2016, 01:40 PM
But if Trump wins the nomination, it would probably make for the closet election in a while.
You think so? Trump seems to stubborn to back off his racism, and that's going to hurt him with independents. Though I could see him swinging to the center economically once he has no use for the Republican party after his nomination. ISIS could be a real wild card though. They could do Trump a solid by killing a couple hundred Americans in September or October and Trump's numbers would soar. It would be a win-win since ISIS would get the guerrilla war they so badly want vs our army.
Aztecfan03
03-02-2016, 01:41 PM
Any ticket with Hillary in it is not strong at all.
baseline bum
03-02-2016, 01:42 PM
I've thought Castro should be the guy for a long time. He wants it badly too.
Maybe Bernie could be in the cabinet as labor secretary or something.
I don't think Castro would be any good as a president, but he'd be a great candidate since he's young, latino, good looking, and makes good speeches. But he's such a suck up to Hillary, I doubt he'd govern much different from her.
Chinook
03-02-2016, 02:56 PM
You think so? Trump seems to stubborn to back off his racism, and that's going to hurt him with independents. Though I could see him swinging to the center economically once he has no use for the Republican party after his nomination. ISIS could be a real wild card though. They could do Trump a solid by killing a couple hundred Americans in September or October and Trump's numbers would soar. It would be a win-win since ISIS would get the guerrilla war they so badly want vs our army.
I'm talking about in Texas
Nbadan
03-02-2016, 11:00 PM
Elizabeth Warren should head the Senate, but first the Dems need to win back the Senate....
Nbadan
03-02-2016, 11:17 PM
As far as VP....yeah, picking Castro would help Hillary with Hispanics...a group which she does very well with anyway......I wonder what Joe Biden is doing for the next four years?
baseline bum
03-02-2016, 11:26 PM
I wonder what Joe Biden is doing for the next four years?
Kicking himself for not running in what would have been a very winnable election for him?
Nbadan
03-02-2016, 11:30 PM
Kicking himself for not running in what would have been a very winnable election for him?
Yeah.....I could see Joe as Hillary's VP....happened before if I remember my history, right?
They just floated the idea on CNN that if she gets indicted that they will bring in Biden.
The Dems really dont like Bernie at all. He's not wanted in Washington.
The dem establishment doesn't think he can win a general election.
The dem establishment doesn't think he can win a general election.
Isn't he just an Obama 3rd term without Hillary's negatives? Why don't they think he can win a general election?
RandomGuy
03-03-2016, 08:38 AM
Think Castro would be a fun nominee. I'd love to see if it could get Hispanic turnout in Texas and other red states (like Utah and Arizona). With the possible exception of Arizona, I don't see those states turning blue. But if Trump wins the nomination, it would probably make for the closet election in a while.
I don't think it would be close. There are a lot of Republicans that would just not vote that normally would, to balance out the nutters that would come out to vote for him. They would be vastly outweighed by a massive Democratic surge.
The right in this country has the singular ability to ignore reality when reality is not emotionally appealing.
http://cdn.thewire.com/img/upload/2012/11/06/karl.gif
pgardn
03-03-2016, 08:40 AM
Castro should be the guy, makes the most sense.
Agreed. Especially if the opponent is Trump.
Kobe still sucks.
RandomGuy
03-03-2016, 08:40 AM
They just floated the idea on CNN that if she gets indicted that they will bring in Biden.
The Dems really dont like Bernie at all. He's not wanted in Washington.
I love Bernie. I just voted for Hillary, as I think she has the better general election chance. Haven't talked to any Democrat that doesn't really like Sanders. We are just smart enough to collectively vote strategically in this case.
I think if the GOP field were down to Trump vs. one other person, that would be the case on the GOP side as well. As it is, it isn't, so the GOP gets to deal with yet another uncomfortable reality.
RandomGuy
03-03-2016, 08:41 AM
Isn't he just an Obama 3rd term without Hillary's negatives? Why don't they think he can win a general election?
Too far to the left.
Obama is a centrist, just like the last 3 or 4 presidents.
Chinook
03-03-2016, 08:50 AM
I don't think it would be close. There are a lot of Republicans that would just not vote that normally would, to balance out the nutters that would come out to vote for him. They would be vastly outweighed by a massive Democratic surge.
The right in this country has the singular ability to ignore reality when reality is not emotionally appealing.
http://cdn.thewire.com/img/upload/2012/11/06/karl.gif
Again, talking about in the aforementioned red states with large or growing Hispanic populations like Arizona, Utah and Texas.
Mitch
03-03-2016, 09:58 AM
Agreed. Especially if the opponent is Trump.
Kobe still sucks.
Keep it in the nba forum
boutons_deux
03-03-2016, 10:04 AM
He hasn't had much influence in the last 30 years outside of his wonderful work with the VA.
... because the Repugs have been relentless in implementing the VRWC strategy of fucking the 99%, while the dickless Dems have been passively compliant.
All of Bernie's policies, programs, issues are meant to reverse the VRWC screwing the 99% over the last 40 years, screwing America, and the environment. VRWC has been making absolutely sure that "capitalism is best" BUT exclusively for capitalists, by fucking over all the non-capitalists and the environment.
iow, Hillary being Pres means America is fucked and stays unfuckable. Her "pragmatic incrementalism" really means:
"I'm 1000% establishment, which has made me and Slick Willie extremely wealthy, and I intend to keep it that way.
I will "get (extremely tiny) things done" in return for signing all kinds of huge VRWC Repug shit", just like Slick Willie did"
DarrinS
03-03-2016, 10:45 AM
Too far to the left.
Obama is a centrist, just like the last 3 or 4 presidents.
FIFY :lol
RandomGuy
03-03-2016, 11:02 AM
FIFY :lol
Center left. Which makes him a rabid socialist to some (or many), just as Bush, a center-right, was considered a rabid fascist by some of the left.
baseline bum
03-03-2016, 11:10 AM
FIFY :lol
Are you judging by his actions or his speeches?
DarrinS
03-03-2016, 11:11 AM
Are you judging by his actions or his speeches?
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/03/time-for-truth-in-labeling-obama-is-not-centrist/448956/
boutons_deux
03-03-2016, 11:11 AM
Bush, a center-right, was considered a rabid fascist by some of the left.
dickhead's "unitary executive" bullshit WAS fascist authoritarianism, as was
his still secret "national energy policy" meeting with BigCarbon execs going over maps if Iraqi oilfields, a policy which was to "invade Iraq for oil",
as was his Senate using reconciliation to "force down their throats" the biggest tax cut on the wealthy (including himself) in history.
DarrinS
03-03-2016, 11:17 AM
just as Bush, a center-right, was considered a rabid fascist by some of the left.
dickhead's "unitary executive" bullshit WAS fascist authoritarianism, as was
his still secret "national energy policy" meeting with BigCarbon execs going over maps if Iraqi oilfields, a policy which was to "invade Iraq for oil",
as was his Senate using reconciliation to "force down their throats" the biggest tax cut on the wealthy (including himself) in history.
Lol, RG called it and dumbass predictably responds
baseline bum
03-03-2016, 12:01 PM
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/03/time-for-truth-in-labeling-obama-is-not-centrist/448956/
So speeches it is
Too far to the left.
Obama is a centrist, just like the last 3 or 4 presidents.
Sorry, I meant Biden - not Bernie.
I don't think Obama is a centrist. Hillary is a centrist (but will say whatever to get elected) - Obama is to the left. I'd guess he agrees with Bernie regarding single payor, free college and parental leave - if he thought he'd have a chance to get all that through.
hater
03-03-2016, 04:09 PM
Depends what day this hoe wakes up on. If she wakes up in Hilary the socialist day she will probably pick Barney
if she wakes up in Hilary the neocon day shell probably pick Dick Cheney :lol
Depends what day this hoe wakes up on. If she wakes up in Hilary the socialist day she will probably pick Barney
if she wakes up in Hilary the neocon day shell probably pick Dick Cheney :lol
Exactly - whichever way the wind is blowing.
baseline bum
03-03-2016, 04:22 PM
I don't think Obama is a centrist. Hillary is a centrist (but will say whatever to get elected) - Obama is to the left. I'd guess he agrees with Bernie regarding single payor, free college and parental leave - if he thought he'd have a chance to get all that through.
He didn't even care about the public option when he had control of both houses and a filibuster proof majority in the senate and you're saying he wanted single payer? What planet do you live on?
pgardn
03-03-2016, 05:34 PM
Keep it in the nba forum
Universal truths belong in any forum.
Kobe sucks.
He didn't even care about the public option when he had control of both houses and a filibuster proof majority in the senate and you're saying he wanted single payer? What planet do you live on?
That's a myth that there was ever really a filibuster proof majority. Those dems (one of which had just changed parties mid-term) weren't locked up votes for single payer or public option. They may have technically been dems, but they were not all liberal.
spurraider21
03-03-2016, 05:59 PM
I love Bernie. I just voted for Hillary, as I think she has the better general election chance. Haven't talked to any Democrat that doesn't really like Sanders. We are just smart enough to collectively vote strategically in this case.
I think if the GOP field were down to Trump vs. one other person, that would be the case on the GOP side as well. As it is, it isn't, so the GOP gets to deal with yet another uncomfortable reality.
ugh, it's this snobbish elitism i can't stand
baseline bum
03-03-2016, 06:02 PM
That's a myth that there was ever really a filibuster proof majority. Those dems (one of which had just changed parties mid-term) weren't locked up votes for single payer or public option. They may have technically been dems, but they were not all liberal.
Obama made not the slightest effort to get the public option done in the senate. LOL people claiming he was ever for single payer like Bernie. He wanted and got Romney-Heritage Care.
Obama made not the slightest effort to get the public option done in the senate. LOL people claiming he was ever for single payer like Bernie. He wanted and got Romney-Heritage Care.
Public option had no chance to make it through the senate. that's why.
baseline bum
03-03-2016, 06:23 PM
Public option had no chance to make it through the senate. that's why.
Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it true. What is true is that he never pushed for it in the senate.
Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it true. What is true is that he never pushed for it in the senate.
Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it true.
baseline bum
03-03-2016, 06:32 PM
Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it true.
No, it is true that he dropped the public option ASAP.
DarrinS
03-03-2016, 06:38 PM
Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it true. What is true is that he never pushed for it in the senate.
He didn't have the votes
I'm not really stating an opinion on what he pushed for. I'm just saying he couldn't get it through if he wanted to; therefore it was pointless to try. They had to fight incredibly hard just to get the watered down bill they got passed.
baseline bum
03-03-2016, 07:08 PM
I'm not really stating an opinion on what he pushed for. I'm just saying he couldn't get it through if he wanted to; therefore it was pointless to try. They had to fight incredibly hard just to get the watered down bill they got passed.
He didn't have to fight that hard, just gave Ben Nelson some welfare. He got the health plan he wanted since he knew it would be hard to attack him in 2012 on signing Romney's plan into law.
He didn't have to fight that hard, just gave Ben Nelson some welfare. He got the health plan he wanted since he knew it would be hard to attack him in 2012 on signing Romney's plan into law.
That can't possibly have been the bill he wanted. For example, and important element is medicaid expansion and that's basically left up to the governors to accept or block for their states, and of course that means states like Texas get it blocked.
TeyshaBlue
03-03-2016, 08:27 PM
ugh, it's this snobbish elitism i can't stand
It's *Enightened Progressive* to you, peasant.
RandomGuy
03-04-2016, 09:08 AM
ugh, it's this snobbish elitism i can't stand
People who bitch about "snobbish elitism" feed into the anti-intellectual, anti-science sentiment on the right.
You can't build a great nation on ignorance and stupidity, although it seems that many seem to want to try.
What bothers you about "snobbish elitism"?
How do you define it?
spurraider21
03-04-2016, 10:07 AM
People who bitch about "snobbish elitism" feed into the anti-intellectual, anti-science sentiment on the right.
You can't build a great nation on ignorance and stupidity, although it seems that many seem to want to try.
What bothers you about "snobbish elitism"?
How do you define it?
I never said a nation should be built on stupidity and ignorance. I'm not a fan of people who stick their noses in the air and think they're just smarter than everybody who disagrees with them. "We Democrats are smarter"... Things like that. I'm not suggesting you personally aren't smart.
Chinook
03-04-2016, 11:10 AM
What bothers you about "snobbish elitism"?
How do you define it?
My issue with it is that that it's usually unfounded. Psuedo-intellectualism is as bad of an issue on the left as anti-intellectualism is on the right.
RandomGuy
03-04-2016, 12:32 PM
I never said a nation should be built on stupidity and ignorance. I'm not a fan of people who stick their noses in the air and think they're just smarter than everybody who disagrees with them. "We Democrats are smarter"... Things like that. I'm not suggesting you personally aren't smart.
There is where you might want to re-look.
I didn't say "smartER", I said "smart enough", and also said the GOP would be just as smart if their field was as limited as the Dems.
If someone thinks that vaccines cause autism, or the earth is flat, and I disagree with them, that doesn't make them a dumbass, simply because I disagree with them.
Am I fully justified in believing that they are dumbasses for believing things are true for really, really bad reasons?
RandomGuy
03-04-2016, 12:35 PM
My issue with it is that that it's usually unfounded. Psuedo-intellectualism is as bad of an issue on the left as anti-intellectualism is on the right.
I agree, mostly.
I think the danger of glorifying ignorance is far more dangerous than that of being a bit of a pretentious prig.
Wallowing in ignorance can lead to outright dangerous outcomes at the worst, and expensive policies at best. Quick example: opposition to clean needle giveaways that save tax money in the long run.
RandomGuy
03-04-2016, 12:40 PM
[Obama] didn't even care about the public option when he had control of both houses and a filibuster proof majority in the senate and you're saying he wanted single payer? What planet do you live on?
Single payor is the logical solution to a lot of the inefficiencies that plague our current health care system.
Any pragmatist will tell you that shit won't fly, because you have the nutters that worship the free market thinking, erroneously, that health care rationing is better done through free markets than otherwise.
I would be willing to bet if you asked Obama, who was probably given a LOT of information on it,he would support it as an ideal.
baseline bum
03-04-2016, 12:50 PM
I would be willing to bet if you asked Obama, who was probably given a LOT of information on it,he would support it as an ideal.
Of course he'd say he would, it sounds good to his base and he tells his base nice things in his speeches. He'd be a lying motherfucker though, just like he was when he talked about reigning in Wall Street in his 2008 campaign and then once elected built a financial team that stretched from Goldman to Sachs.
Chinook
03-04-2016, 12:59 PM
I agree, mostly.
I think the danger of glorifying ignorance is far more dangerous than that of being a bit of a pretentious prig.
Wallowing in ignorance can lead to outright dangerous outcomes at the worst, and expensive policies at best. Quick example: opposition to clean needle giveaways that save tax money in the long run.
I'm not sure there's a ton of difference between being willfully ignorant and being flippantly confident in your intellectual superiority while still being wrong. The biggest issue with people is that they are too easily manipulated, and that issue doesn't have political boundaries at all.
RandomGuy
03-04-2016, 04:03 PM
I'm not sure there's a ton of difference between being willfully ignorant and being flippantly confident in your intellectual superiority while still being wrong. The biggest issue with people is that they are too easily manipulated, and that issue doesn't have political boundaries at all.
Also pretty much agree.
Chinook
03-04-2016, 09:19 PM
Also pretty much agree.
I'm glad you understand my side of things, because I think that we're seeing a lack of critical thinking going on for the Democrats too. Black people are to Clintons as the US is to Israel -- it's a permanent alliance regardless of what the issue is. I have family members who don't even know what Sanders' platform is. They just "know" he isn't going to look out for them like Hilary is. That kind of unthinking allegiance to a candidate based on their name is almost as bad as people voting for Trump because they believe the things he says. Now, that doesn't mean Clinton isn't a better choice than Trump, but she didn't sweep the South last Tuesday because people were voting strategically with the general election in mind.
He didn't even care about the public option when he had control of both houses and a filibuster proof majority in the senate and you're saying he wanted single payer? What planet do you live on?
Lol
boutons_deux
03-06-2016, 11:40 AM
He didn't even care about the public option when he had control of both houses and a filibuster proof majority in the senate and you're saying he wanted single payer? What planet do you live on?
Obama/Dems have not had any solid control since 2009.
Joe Liebermann/CT was an independent who caucused with Dems, like Bernie.
And it was Lieberman, who said he would oppose any Medicare for all/public option since CT has lots of huge insurance companies owning him.
And Max Baucus, Dem/MT, hired an health insurance exec/lobbyist to write ACA, and would certainly have not voted for medicare for all/public option.
Will Hunting
03-06-2016, 12:02 PM
I love Bernie. I just voted for Hillary, as I think she has the better general election chance. Haven't talked to any Democrat that doesn't really like Sanders. We are just smart enough to collectively vote strategically in this case.
I think if the GOP field were down to Trump vs. one other person, that would be the case on the GOP side as well. As it is, it isn't, so the GOP gets to deal with yet another uncomfortable reality.
That's the most pompous and delusional thing I've read in a long time. All the polls say that Sanders has a much better shot against Trump. Shilary winning the primary isn't some collective, well-planned effort across the Democratic party. It's a bunch of low information retards who don't research where the candidates stand on issues so they vote for the name they recognize the most.
Will Hunting
03-06-2016, 12:05 PM
My issue with it is that that it's usually unfounded. Psuedo-intellectualism is as bad of an issue on the left as anti-intellectualism is on the right.
I know this isn't really your point, but the Clintons employ plenty of anti-intellectualism.
Will Hunting
03-06-2016, 12:15 PM
You think so? Trump seems to stubborn to back off his racism, and that's going to hurt him with independents. Though I could see him swinging to the center economically once he has no use for the Republican party after his nomination. ISIS could be a real wild card though. They could do Trump a solid by killing a couple hundred Americans in September or October and Trump's numbers would soar. It would be a win-win since ISIS would get the guerrilla war they so badly want vs our army.
The thing with ISIS is that if they have a few successful attacks then Shilary's neo-conservative foreign policy stance might steal votes from Trump's non-interventionist stance if people get scared
OTOH, Trump's racism might help him with disenchanted white Democrats who are pissed off that a bunch of uneducated n!ggers/super-delegates are getting Hilary the nomination, especially if he moves to the center on economic policy during the general.
He's positioned himself well to the left of Hilary on three big issues (foreign policy, campaign finance reform, and free trade/unions), so a general between the two would be really interesting.
baseline bum
03-06-2016, 01:53 PM
The thing with ISIS is that if they have a few successful attacks then Shilary's neo-conservative foreign policy stance might steal votes from Trump's non-interventionist stance if people get scared
OTOH, Trump's racism might help him with disenchanted white Democrats who are pissed off that a bunch of uneducated n!ggers/super-delegates are getting Hilary the nomination, especially if he moves to the center on economic policy during the general.
He's positioned himself well to the left of Hilary on three big issues (foreign policy, campaign finance reform, and free trade/unions), so a general between the two would be really interesting.
What's non-interventionist about Trump wanting to go to war with ISIS?
Pelicans78
03-06-2016, 02:40 PM
What's non-interventionist about Trump wanting to go to war with ISIS?
He's specifically against putting boots on the ground in Syria. He's only talked about bombing ISIS which is already being done.
Will Hunting
03-06-2016, 02:58 PM
What's non-interventionist about Trump wanting to go to war with ISIS?
His war with ISIS includes putting power in the hands of secular dictators like Assad and bombings as Pelicans78 said. Shilary is a Project for the New American Century type who wants to continue W's legacy of nation building in the middle east.
baseline bum
03-06-2016, 05:37 PM
His war with ISIS includes putting power in the hands of secular dictators like Assad and bombings as Pelicans78 said. Shilary is a Project for the New American Century type who wants to continue W's legacy of nation building in the middle east.
IDK, Bill didn't do that shit like Bush did. Is she any different from Bill minus the charisma he had?
Will Hunting
03-06-2016, 05:48 PM
IDK, Bill didn't do that shit like Bush did. Is she any different from Bill minus the charisma he had?
It's not like she was just a passive supporter of the War in Iraq, she was out there with Bush banging the drums for it. I think she'd be worse than her husband and would try to invade Syria.
Pelicans78
03-06-2016, 06:05 PM
It's not like she was just a passive supporter of the War in Iraq, she was out there with Bush banging the drums for it. I think she'd be worse than her husband and would try to invade Syria.
She believes in toppling Assad so no doubt she would put 20,000 troops in Syria. Her foreign policy was aligned with that mummy McCann, Graham, and Jeb. She believes in a no fly zone like most of the GOP candidates outside of Trump and Cruz.
Will Hunting
03-06-2016, 06:29 PM
She believes in toppling Assad so no doubt she would put 20,000 troops in Syria. Her foreign policy was aligned with that mummy McCann, Graham, and Jeb. She believes in a no fly zone like most of the GOP candidates outside of Trump and Cruz.
If you also look at what she did as SOS, she was the one pulling all the strings to destabilize Libya. She's an old school neoncon like McCain or Cheney but happens to have a D next to her name.
baseline bum
03-06-2016, 07:06 PM
If you also look at what she did as SOS, she was the one pulling all the strings to destabilize Libya. She's an old school neoncon like McCain or Cheney but happens to have a D next to her name.
Do you think she would have given the ok to Netenyahu to go to war with Iran? The one Obama thankfully said no to? Scary thought. Obama telling that fucker he'd be on his own is about the only good thing he has done in his seven years in power.
baseline bum
03-06-2016, 07:20 PM
It's not like she was just a passive supporter of the War in Iraq, she was out there with Bush banging the drums for it. I think she'd be worse than her husband and would try to invade Syria.
Nice election. We can go to the polls to choose between war with Syria vs war with Iran.
I think the longer this primary goes, the better chance Bernie has of becoming the VP pick. I'm not sure he wants it though and maybe his age will ultimately disqualify him because he can't realistically be "president in-waiting" due to that.
RandomGuy
03-07-2016, 02:49 PM
That's the most pompous and delusional thing I've read in a long time. All the polls say that Sanders has a much better shot against Trump. Shilary winning the primary isn't some collective, well-planned effort across the Democratic party. It's a bunch of low information retards who don't research where the candidates stand on issues so they vote for the name they recognize the most.
I guess. I don't really have the poll data to determine who voted for whom and why.
Of course, by the same token... neither do you.
Guess that makes us even in that regard.
RandomGuy
03-07-2016, 02:52 PM
I know this isn't really your point, but the Clintons employ plenty of anti-intellectualism.
"the Clintons" aren't really the majority of mainstream Democratic politicians.
The funny thing is that you can't get a major candidate on the right to actually say "yup, evolution is the best theory we have". They have to kowtow (to put it politely) to the young earth creationists, climate deniers, etc.
boutons_deux
03-08-2016, 07:58 AM
"the Clintons" aren't really the majority of mainstream Democratic politicians.
The funny thing is that you can't get a major candidate on the right to actually say "yup, evolution is the best theory we have". They have to kowtow (to put it politely) to the young earth creationists, climate deniers, etc.
Maddow pointed out that the Repugs are the ONLY major party in all of the industrial countries that denies evolution, denies AGW, and denies public health system as right.
Thanks, BigCorp.
Thanks, Billionaires.
Still waiting for anybody to show the practical path of how to unfuck the unfuckable America.
Another "unique" shitstorm in America is evangelicals' wanting the unConsitutional dystopia of America govt being run on Biblical values.
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