Neocons declare war on Trump

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Looks like it's not just GOP leadership but also the heads of the MIC that are rejecting Trump.


Donald Trump calls the Iraq War a lie-fueled fiasco, admires Vladimir Putin and says he would be a "neutral" arbiter between Israel and the Palestinians. When it comes to America’s global role he asks, “Why are we always at the forefront of everything?"
Even more than his economic positions, Trump's foreign policy views challenge GOP orthodoxy in fundamental ways. But while parts of the party establishment are resigning themselves or even backing Trump's runaway train, one group is bitterly digging in against him: the hawkish foreign policy elites known as neoconservatives.

In interviews with POLITICO, leading neocons — people who promoted the Iraq War, detest Putin and consider Israel's security non-negotiable — said Trump would be a disaster for U.S. foreign policy and vowed never to support him. So deep is their revulsion that several even say they could vote for Hillary Clinton over Trump in November.

“Hillary is the lesser evil, by a large margin,” said Eliot Cohen, a former top State Department official under George W. Bush and a strategic theorist who argues for a muscular U.S. role abroad. Trump's election would be “an unmitigated disaster for American foreign policy," Cohen said, adding that "he has already damaged it considerably.”

Cohen, an Iraq war backer who is often called a neoconservative but said he does not identify himself that way, said he would "strongly prefer a third party candidate" to Trump, but added: "Probably if absolutely no alternative: Hillary."

In a March 1 interview with Vox, Max Boot, a military historian at the Council on Foreign Relations who backed the Iraq War and often advocates a hawkish foreign policy, said that he, too, would vote for Clinton over Trump. "I'm literally losing sleep over Donald Trump," he said. "She would be vastly preferable to Trump."
Cohen helped to organize an open letter signed by several dozen GOP foreign policy insiders — many of whom are not considered neocons — that was published Wednesday night by the military blog War on the Rocks. “[W]e are unable to support a Party ticket with Mr. Trump at its head,” the letter declared. It cited everything from Trump’s "admiration for foreign dictators” to his “inexcusable” support for “the expansive use of torture."

The letter was signed by dozens of Republican foreign policy experts, including Boot; Peter Feaver, a former senior national security aide in George W. Bush's White House; Robert Zoellick, a former deputy to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice; and Dov Zakheim, a former Bush Pentagon official; and Kori Schake, a fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution and a former Bush State Department official.

Several other neocons said they find themselves in an impossible position, constitutionally incapable of voting for Clinton but repelled by a Republican whose foreign policy views they consider somewhere between nonexistent and dangerous — and disconnected from their views about American power and values abroad.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/trump-clinton-neoconservatives-220151#ixzz41oRcyQQ4

[rmt]

Everyone is against Trump except his voters (those sick and tired of the establishment) and certain talk show hosts (Hannity, Limbaugh - who are only interested in beating Hillary).

[Nbadan]

Everyone is against Trump except his voters (those sick and tired of the establishment).

....yeah..that nitch group of voters might be enough to win the GOP nomination but not the general......Trump may be the one who is non-electable

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

said Eliot Cohen

http://i.imgur.com/ESYvse2.jpg

[ducks]

These bush idiots are still getting bribes and ruining America

[InRareForm]

It's funny how repubs thought ron paul was crazy... 4 years later they have this situation.

[rmt]

....yeah..that nitch group of voters might be enough to win the GOP nomination but not the general......Trump may be the one who is non-electable

You are assuming that it's only GOP voters who are sick and tired of the establishment.

[spurraider21]

lol declare war

[hater]

And Shillary is their flag bearer :lol

[Koolaid_Man]

It's funny how repubs thought ron paul was crazy... 4 years later they have this situation.



Mary Swanson (https://www.facebook.com/mary.swanson.357) University of Minnesota (https://www.facebook.com/UofMN/)

If the Republicans had acted decently the past 8 years there would not be this huge appeal for Trump. By electing congressmen who promised to vote no on every thing Obama wanted shows incompentency on the highest level.

The result of this childish behavior is Trump.

[boutons_deux]

Trump may be the one who is non-electable

not "maybe", but is

[boutons_deux]

You are assuming that it's only GOP voters who are sick and tired of the establishment.

rightwingnuts are tired of the establishment, of ALL govt, but they, because their belove ignorance base on "belief", should be tired of their own Repug assholes they were suckered into electing, who have cut the strong economic engine of taxes and govt spending while obstructing all progress, improvement for the 99%.

[RandomGuy]

It's funny how repubs thought ron paul was crazy... 4 years later they have this situation.

The GOP is getting the candidate they wanted.

[pgardn]

Everyone is against Trump except his voters (those sick and tired of the establishment) and certain talk show hosts (Hannity, Limbaugh - who are only interested in beating Hillary).


Damn.
I have been too busy to listen to those pair of idiots.
I really got to give them a time slot. The comedy and entertainment value of imagining people really trusting these fools is A+

"How to argue with a liberal, I can teach you you dumb bastard"

[boutons_deux]

The GOP is getting the candidate they wanted.

??

The GOP, and the rightwingnut billionaires, don't "want Trump".

They got a candidate they don't want by buying tea bagger asshole legislators and judges at all levels, by convincing their ignorant base that St Ronnie the Diseased's "govt IS the problem" is unquestionably true, and by executing strict obstructionism and anti-Obama-the-n!gg@ hate for 7 years.

Repug establishment and the billionaires are just fucking stupid, have fucked up country of the 99% just like they wanted, and now are getting screwed by THEIR results.

[pgardn]

??

The GOP, and the rightwingnut billionaires, don't "want Trump".

They got a candidate they don't want by buying tea bagger asshole legislators and judges at all levels, by convincing their ignorant base that St Ronnie the Disease's "govt IS the problem" is unquestionably true, and by executing strict obstructionism and anti-Obama-the-n!gg@ hate for 7 years.

Repug establishment and the billionaires are just fucking stupid, have fucked up country of the 99% just like they wanted.

You don't get the new GOP yet.
Fractured.
There are plenty of middle class white folk who want to blow up Muslims and build walls.

When people are angry they see easy solutions, you should know this.

[boutons_deux]

You don't get the new GOP yet.
Fractured.
There are plenty of middle class white folk who want to blow up Muslims and build walls.

When people are angry they see easy solutions, you should know this.

You should know your takes are fucking stupid.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You should know your takes are fucking stupid.

Nothing is more stupid relative to your trying to hold onto your VRWC Clinton-speak in the face of the poor white trash taking over the GOP.

[boutons_deux]

Nothing is more stupid relative to your trying to hold onto your VRWC Clinton-speak in the face of the poor white trash taking over the GOP.

so stupid of you to say poor white trash takin over the GOP. They've split the GOP, establishment vs. non-establishment, but "take over"? LOL

Trump will lose by at least 10%, maybe 20%, in the election. Bernie beats him more than Hillz.

The Repug establishment, owned and operated by VRWC/1%/BigCrop, ain't goin nowhere (which suits their strict obstructionism just fine).

The poor rightwing white trash are pissed, but they don't have the $Bs to own the Repug establishment. $Bs rule America, all voters are disenfranchised, are ignored by $Bs.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

so stupid of you to say poor white trash takin over the GOP. They've split the GOP, establishment vs. non-establishment, but "take over"? LOL

Trump will lose by at least 10%, maybe 20%, in the election. Bernie beats him more than Hillz.

The Repug establishment, owned and operated by VRWC/1%/BigCrop, ain't goin nowhere (which suites the strict obstructionism just fine).

The poor rightwing white trash are pissed, but they don't have the $Bs to own the Repug establishment. $Bs rule America, all voters are disenfranchised, are ignored by $Bs.

I said take over the GOP. He looks pretty certain to be the GOP nominee and when it comes to RNC executives and committee members he straight out gets to choose several positions.

I said take over the GOP. Now you bleet about the general? You are one willfully ignorant simpleton.

[boutons_deux]

I said take over the GOP. He looks pretty certain to be the GOP nominee and when it comes to RNC executives and committee members he straight out gets to choose several positions.

I said take over the GOP. Now you bleet about the general? You are one willfully ignorant simpleton.

poor white trash aren't taking over the GOP.

They'll get their Trump token, who will be crushed in the election, will be shown they are powerless, will re-elect the same assholes they have now, or the $Bs will give them new assholes to elect, who will keep screwing the poor white trash and the 47%.

It's all VERY simple. ALL the data supports my Big Picture, you simpleton.

[hater]

Neocons are the scum of the earth so if they are against someone, that person is my best friend.

That person is Trump. Hope and change.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

poor white trash aren't taking over the GOP.

They'll get their Trump token, who will be crushed in the election, will be shown they are powerless, will re-elect the same assholes they have now, or the $Bs will give them new assholes to elect, who will keep screwing the poor white trash and the 47%.

It's all VERY simple. ALL the data supports my Big Picture, you simpleton.

You simply are ignorant as to what actually is determined at the conventions. That's okay a lot of people are afraid of anything outside their box.

[boutons_deux]

You simply are ignorant as to what actually is determined at the conventions. That's okay a lot of people are afraid of anything outside their box.

The Repugs are willing to lose the WH, again, with Trump and spend $Bs to maintain control of Congress and SCOTUS.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The Repugs are willing to lose the WH, again, with Trump and spend $Bs to maintain control of Congress and SCOTUS.

Nice gross oversimplification that does nothing to indicate you have any idea what is decided at the convention. You're boring.

[rmt]

Damn.
I have been too busy to listen to those pair of idiots.
I really got to give them a time slot. The comedy and entertainment value of imagining people really trusting these fools is A+

"How to argue with a liberal, I can teach you you dumb bastard"

Maybe you all should give Rush a 6 week try - see how the other side thinks. I've been here, what, 6 months, listening to the liberal side. Rush doesn't endorse any candidate - he just wants anyone who can beat Hillary.

[baseline bum]

Maybe you all should give Rush a 6 week try - see how the other side thinks. I've been here, what, 6 months, listening to the liberal side. Rush doesn't endorse any candidate - he just wants anyone who can beat Hillary.

I prefer not to listen to the ramblings of drug addicts.

[pgardn]

Maybe you all should give Rush a 6 week try - see how the other side thinks. I've been here, what, 6 months, listening to the liberal side. Rush doesn't endorse any candidate - he just wants anyone who can beat Hillary.

If I had time I would listen to the most outrageous 30 minute sound clips everyday.
Its fantastically dreadful wonderful hilarious stuff.

[hater]

Trump is a saint. When the worst of the worst scum in the country. These disgusting animals like the MIC, neocons, Bushes and Clintons. When they are all united against you it means you are the only hope for humanity. Lets hope The Movement is not stopped by a bullet or a mass smear campaign.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Maybe you all should give Rush a 6 week try - see how the other side thinks. I've been here, what, 6 months, listening to the liberal side. Rush doesn't endorse any candidate - he just wants anyone who can beat Hillary.

:lol wtf. Like this place is all liberal all the time.

Your problem is your self identified end of the spectrum consists of the likes of WC, DarrinS, vy65, and a whole slew of mouthbreathers. Nevermind independents like BB, wine and others who don't fit your paradigm. This is just stupid. Reminds me of the player fan stupidity on the main board.

[mingus]

IMO the main reason for the establishment's disdain for him is that he's not actually as "conservative" as his controversial comments might suggest (quotations because I don't think banning Muslims, building a wall etc. calling Bush a liar, are actually conservative positions). Strip him away of that stuff, and what you probably have is someone who is more on the liberal side of social issues (he hasn't asked to defund Planned Parenthood, he didn't back that Bible-thumping Kentucky woman, he's never come out against gay marriage as far as I know, etc). Substantively, and beneath his exterior, he's probably a lot more liberal than guys like Romney, and definitely Cruz. He's also not beholden to their and their or either party's for that matter special interests.

My gut tells me we'll get a better sense of who Trump is and what he really thinks, for better or for worse (especially as the attacks ramp up on him), in the general election. I think he'll tame a lot of the rhetoric down, and show himself to be a lot more reasonable than people think he is right now. And by reasonable I mean "middle ground", and I think GOP establishment knows this, and that's why they hate him.

[pgardn]

IMO the main reason for the establishment's disdain for him is that he's not actually as "conservative" as his controversial comments might suggest (quotations because I don't think banning Muslims, building a wall etc. calling Bush a liar, are actually conservative positions). Strip him away of that stuff, and what you probably have is someone who is more on the liberal side of social issues (he hasn't asked to defund Planned Parenthood, he didn't back that Bible-thumping Kentucky woman, he's never come out against gay marriage as far as I know, etc). Substantively, and beneath his exterior, he's probably a lot more liberal than guys like Romney, and definitely Cruz. He's also not beholden to their and their or either party's for that matter special interests.

My gut tells me we'll get a better sense of who Trump is and what he really thinks, for better or for worse (especially as the attacks ramp up on him), in the general election. I think he'll tame a lot of the rhetoric down, and show himself to be a lot more reasonable than people think he is right now. And by reasonable I mean "middle ground", and I think GOP establishment knows this, and that's why they hate him.

He can't be reasonable when Hillary pulls out the ammo, and there is a shitload of it. The Republicans have waited to exploit it. Waited too long. The reason the old guard is scared is because they know "they" will lose the presidency AGAIN.

And their party is fracturing.

[Nbadan]

Your problem is your self identified end of the spectrum consists of the likes of WC, DarrinS, vy65, and a whole slew of mouthbreathers. Nevermind independents like BB, wine and others who don't fit your paradigm. This is just stupid. Reminds me of the player fan stupidity on the main board.

We have a winner....:toast

[Nbadan]

y gut tells me we'll get a better sense of who Trump is and what he really thinks, for better or for worse (especially as the attacks ramp up on him), in the general election. I think he'll tame a lot of the rhetoric down, and show himself to be a lot more reasonable than people think he is right now. And by reasonable I mean "middle ground", and I think GOP establishment knows this, and that's why they hate him.

GOP candidates almost always drift to the middle after they've locked up the nomination....you're right though, Trump is no social conservative, which is why Cruz has become the anti-trump candidate de' jour.....it's a Trump-Cruz race at this point..

[boutons_deux]

arch neocon Kagan says he will vote for Hillary rather than Trump

[Nbadan]

arch neocon Kagan says he will vote for Hillary rather than Trump

Yeah, those statements Trump made about the Bush administration are scaring the shit out of the Neocons, that's international war criminal type talk...the whole Bush administration are war criminals....millions of Iraqis were killed, maimed or displaced because of a lie.....