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baseline bum
03-15-2016, 08:34 PM
:lol
How many bitches you think he's fucked while Hillary is away campaigning? Cuck queen. :lol
I meant Hillary would fuck his wife.
Mitch
03-15-2016, 08:34 PM
:lol
How many bitches you think he's fucked while Hillary is away campaigning? Cuck queen. :lol
Hilary is a 100% clam licker, imo
She was in it for this shot, cares more about power than anything else
Clinton would prob try to fuck your wife too though tbh
:lol
Mitch
03-15-2016, 08:40 PM
Cruz might edge out Trump, that'll be his big victory today... winning a proportional state :lol
Bernie closing in some in Ohio.
baseline bum
03-15-2016, 08:42 PM
Cruz might edge out Trump, that'll be his big victory today... winning a proportional state :lol
Cruz seems like a real long shot to get to 1237, he should consider it a win that Trump lost Ohio and won't sweep Missouri. Trump's going to have a real hard climb to 1237 without those two states.
Mitch
03-15-2016, 08:43 PM
Bernie closing in some in Ohio.
Hillary might still get that legal trouble biting her in the ass, imagine that fallout potential :lol
Trump is at a club partying. :lol
baseline bum
03-15-2016, 08:45 PM
Hillary might still get that legal trouble biting her in the ass, imagine that fallout potential :lol
So he can lose to Biden at the convention then?
Mitch
03-15-2016, 08:45 PM
Cruz seems like a real long shot to get to 1237, he should consider it a win that Trump lost Ohio and won't sweep Missouri. Trump's going to have a real hard climb to 1237 without those two states.
Trump has a doable path, he just needs to take the rest of the winner take alls and not get recked in any state with proportional splits. Cruz, even if he won Maine, just doesn't do good up north and he probably won't do well on the west where bible thumping is a turn off.
Mitch
03-15-2016, 08:46 PM
So he can lose to Biden at the convention then?
Well, I assume if Biden jumped in then all the delegates will jump on him.
baseline bum
03-15-2016, 08:48 PM
Trump has a doable path, he just needs to take the rest of the winner take alls and not get recked in any state with proportional splits. Cruz, even if he won Maine, just doesn't do good up north and he probably won't do well on the west where bible thumping is a turn off.
California is pretty damn conservative in its conservative areas. I think Cruz will beat Trump there.
Mitch
03-15-2016, 08:50 PM
California is pretty damn conservative in its conservative areas. I think Cruz will beat Trump there.
It would be close if there is any advantage Ted has and I think it's just another split state.
Well, the stop Trump ads should end now - was so tired of those commercials. That Kasich is so selfish - how can anyone want to win the nomination winning ONE state? He thinks it'll be so much FUN.
Mitch
03-15-2016, 08:55 PM
Well, the stop Trump ads should end now - was so tired of those commercials. That Kasich is so selfish - how can anyone want to win the nomination winning ONE state? He thinks it'll be so much FUN.
He's pretty delusional or some backdoor deal has the GOP handing him the nomination somehow in a brokered convention, when he's faced with the real math of him not being able to win he denies it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeN-GkYggVw
InRareForm
03-15-2016, 09:01 PM
California is way too hard to predict with repub side
baseline bum
03-15-2016, 09:02 PM
Trump extending his lead to 3 points in Missouri and he wins Illinois.
baseline bum
03-15-2016, 09:03 PM
California is way too hard to predict with repub side
CA has lots of jeebotards, I think it could be a great state for Cruz in the primary season.
baseline bum
03-15-2016, 09:08 PM
DAVID WASSERMAN 10:06 PM
A GOP Barn-Burner In Missouri
The only place left that could prevent Trump from batting four for five tonight is the Show-Me State, where Cruz is giving him a serious challenge. Trump is currently ahead 43 percent to 40 percent, with 20 percent of precincts reporting. Keep in mind, the statewide winner will take 12 delegates, while the winner of each district will claim five. The good news for Trump is that his lead across the state appears fairly geographically balanced, even though much of metro St. Louis and Kansas City have yet to report.
The major exception to Trump’s lead is Springfield and southwest Missouri, the state’s “Bible Belt,” where Cruz is beating him. (Springfield is the home of the Assemblies of God, which says it is the world’s largest Pentecostal denomination.) That means Cruz is likely to net at least five of Missouri’s 52 delegates. It’s still early in the vote count, so we’ll need to find out more about where things stand in the state’s major metro areas. But Trump is doing well in similar metro areas in Illinois. Thumb on the scale for Trump, but it’s far from over.
All this faggot Trump talks about is how he's going going to beat this, beat that. Zero policy candidate.
baseline bum
03-15-2016, 09:11 PM
All this faggot Trump talks about is how he's going going to beat this, beat that. Zero policy candidate.
Time for him to sue Cruz now?
spurraider21
03-15-2016, 09:12 PM
CA has lots of jeebotards, I think it could be a great state for Cruz in the primary season.
as long as he stays away from the bay he should be fine. hit up orange county, etc
this is the state that elected the terminator
baseline bum
03-15-2016, 09:14 PM
this is the state that elected the terminator
That was only because of Enron being scandalous
djohn2oo8
03-15-2016, 09:19 PM
Could you imagine Trump's supporters if the nomination is stripped from him at the convention?
baseline bum
03-15-2016, 09:21 PM
Could you imagine Trump's supporters if the nomination is stripped from him at the convention?
Lots of cross burnings in Cleveland, may drive LeBron out of town again.
Shillary's leads in OH and NC have dropped from 30+ to under 15. IL is under 5.
Not saying the Bern will win any of those but it's not as disastrous of a night as it was looking initially.
baseline bum
03-15-2016, 09:45 PM
HARRY ENTEN 10:43 PM
The name of the game is congressional district wins in Missouri. If you win a congressional district, you win five delegates. Right now, Cruz and Trump are leading in three each. Two are not yet reporting.
baseline bum
03-15-2016, 09:53 PM
NATE SILVER 10:46 PM
As a native Midwesterner, I’m a fan of the Show-Me State, but Missouri is a fairly annoying state to be coming down to the wire. It’s quite slow to count its vote. Furthermore, there can be huge differences in the vote among St. Louis, Kansas City, the suburbs, and the rural parts of the state, making it hard to make extrapolations. Partly as a result of this, the Associated Press prematurely called Missouri for Clinton in the 2008 Democratic primary; it eventually went for Obama after further votes from St. Louis were tallied after midnight.
Mitch
03-15-2016, 09:53 PM
Cruz is a creepy fuck.
Hard to believe he's doing so well, tbh. I mean, yeah Trump is shitting on him so far, but Rubio seems far more electable :lol
baseline bum
03-15-2016, 09:55 PM
Hard to believe he's doing so well, tbh. I mean, yeah Trump is shitting on him so far, but Rubio seems far more electable :lol
Why is it hard to believe? He's the Jesus candidate.
Hard to believe he's doing so well, tbh. I mean, yeah Trump is shitting on him so far, but Rubio seems far more electable :lol
He comes off even more fake than Hillary. :lol
His anti Washington talk is off the wall. No wonder he's hated among his peers.
Mitch
03-15-2016, 09:55 PM
Missouri is so damn close
baseline bum
03-15-2016, 09:56 PM
What makes this election weird is the Jesus candidate and the racist candidate are different this time.
Mitch
03-15-2016, 09:56 PM
He comes off even more fake than Hillary. :lol
His anti Washington talk is off the wall. No wonder he's hated among his peers.
I'd understand if he didn't have superPACs, but... he's just bought like everybody else except Trump & Bern
baseline bum
03-15-2016, 09:57 PM
Not like last time when you had Santorum calling Obama a ######
CosmicCowboy
03-15-2016, 09:58 PM
Shillary's leads in OH and NC have dropped from 30+ to under 15. IL is under 5.
Not saying the Bern will win any of those but it's not as disastrous of a night as it was looking initially.
Bernie is done. I thought he would do better in the rust belt.
Hillary v Trump.
sad as hell but it's gonna be entertaining.
baseline bum
03-15-2016, 10:01 PM
NATE SILVER 10:56 PM
It’s not surprising to see Cruz going out of his way to praise Rubio; picking up those voters will be key to any chance Cruz has at the nomination. And Cruz has some good news on that front; exit polls in Michigan and other states have shown Rubio voters preferring Cruz by 4 to 1 over Trump. The complication is that those exit polls didn’t ask about a three-way race among Cruz, Trump and Kasich. Although Cruz is probably a better match for Rubio voters ideologically, Kasich’s voters have more in common with Rubio’s demographically.
djohn2oo8
03-15-2016, 10:10 PM
So what happens to Rubio's delegates?
CosmicCowboy
03-15-2016, 10:11 PM
So what happens to Rubio's delegates?
He loses them when he quits. They are free agents now.
baseline bum
03-15-2016, 10:15 PM
DAVID WASSERMAN 11:12 PM
Mathematically, Trump On Pace To Erase Ohio Loss
Guess what? Trump could make up for all 66 delegates he lost in Ohio with huge delegate margins in Illinois and Missouri. In Missouri, Trump is clinging to a lead of just 2,400 votes, but IF things continue as they are, Trump will capture 47 of Missouri’s delegates to just five for Cruz. And in Illinois, where Trump is winning about 40 percent of the vote, he could win all but a handful of congressional districts, giving him perhaps 60 of the state’s 69 delegates. Wow.
baseline bum
03-15-2016, 10:16 PM
NATE SILVER 11:14 PM
The 66 delegates Kasich won in Ohio tonight are a big prize, but Kasich’s continued presence in the race has more ambiguous effects for Republicans hoping to stop Trump.
According to the estimates we developed last week, Cruz would be leading Trump in Missouri by about 4 percentage points in a two-way race. Cruz would also be leading by about 2 percentage points in North Carolina and trailing Trump by about 2 percentage points in Illinois.
baseline bum
03-15-2016, 10:25 PM
DAVID WASSERMAN 11:20 PM
Here’s my gut takeaway from tonight’s primaries: It’s more difficult to see how Trump DOESN’T get to 1,237 delegates from here. He’s beating Cruz in red states, and he’s likely to beat Kasich in future blue states. Most of the delegates at stake from here on out will come from winner-take-all states. Whether #NeverTrump forces realize it or not, they are losing.
DAVID WASSERMAN 11:20 PM
Here’s my gut takeaway from tonight’s primaries: It’s more difficult to see how Trump DOESN’T get to 1,237 delegates from here. He’s beating Cruz in red states, and he’s likely to beat Kasich in future blue states. Most of the delegates at stake from here on out will come from winner-take-all states. Whether #NeverTrump forces realize it or not, they are losing.
Kasich will carry the blue states.
Pelicans78
03-15-2016, 10:30 PM
Kasich will carry the blue states.
No he's not. He can't win anything outside of Ohio.
baseline bum
03-15-2016, 10:32 PM
Kasich will carry the blue states.
I don't agree with this guy either. Trump maybe squeaking out a win in Missouri doesn't mean he's taking red states over Cruz with Rubio gone. Though I'm not sure I see Kasich stopping Trump in New York, and especially not Pennsylvania if he's not on the ballot. :lol
baseline bum
03-15-2016, 10:34 PM
No he's not. He can't win anything outside of Ohio.
Kasich is probably a better bet than Cruz to try to chip delegates away from Trump in the NE though. Cruz can't really go for 1237, that seems unattainable. He and Kasich have to work together to get the convention to a second vote.
baseline bum
03-15-2016, 10:34 PM
HARRY ENTEN 11:30 PM
Unless Cruz can pull a rabbit out of his hat, Trump’s going to win Missouri, based on the map. Most of Boone County (a Cruz stronghold) has reported, and Trump still leads by about 3,000 votes. We’ll see, though, as this election cycle has been crazy.
clambake
03-15-2016, 10:47 PM
will he call him todd cruz or dead cruz?
baseline bum
03-15-2016, 10:49 PM
will he call him todd cruz or dead cruz?
With Trump's base, calling him Ted Bought By the Jews could work since Cruz is Netanyahu's boy.
Pelicans78
03-15-2016, 10:51 PM
Kasich is probably a better bet than Cruz to try to chip delegates away from Trump in the NE though. Cruz can't really go for 1237, that seems unattainable. He and Kasich have to work together to get the convention to a second vote.
A lot of the NE states are winner takes all which benefits Trump with 3 candidates running. Cruz has to win California to have any chance.
Bernie has cut the lead to 2% in IL. His lead has shrunk to 0.9% in MO though.
spurraider21
03-15-2016, 11:10 PM
With Trump's base, calling him Ted Bought By the Jews could work since Cruz is Netanyahu's boy.
the GOP always has been
Damn, Hillary is all over Bernie in Missouri. Thought he would win that with some room, but nope.
Bernie got buried tonight.
Mitch
03-15-2016, 11:17 PM
He loses them when he quits. They are free agents now.
I believe they're unbound, but can only pledge to a candidate at a brokered convention.
Hillary wipes the floor with Bernie tonight. Damn
4 out of 5.
Splits
03-15-2016, 11:35 PM
I would fuck Nicole Wallace's brains out.
I would fuck Nicole Wallace's brains out.
Googled. Approved.
Thick for an over the hill lady.
FkLA Bernie won't win shit.
Hillary will sweep. :lol
IL and MO are essentially ties as far as delegates go. NC was better than expected.
Trying my best here to be positive. :depressed
fucking stupid ass retarded negros
st. louis lost MO and
Why is she dominating the black vote? What is she really going to do differently than Obama and Obama has not done enough for the black community.
Why is she dominating the black vote? What is she really going to do differently than Obama and Obama has not done enough for the black community.
They like calling whites massa.
TheSanityAnnex
03-16-2016, 12:11 AM
Why is she dominating the black vote? What is she really going to do differently than Obama and Obama has not done enough for the black community.
blacks are dumb
Why is she dominating the black vote? What is she really going to do differently than Obama and Obama has not done enough for the black community.
The majority of them are fucking retards that's why. She takes huge contributions from private prisons, Bernie can't stand them and wants to eliminate incarceration over petty drug violations. She is backed by the major of Chicago who has done shit for minority schools there, Bernie can't stand the guy. She's been built by Wall Street, he's been built by the people. There is literally no reason why these morons should be supporting her. The only thing I can think of is the fact that she's been dickriding Obama hard and they love their black president.
SnakeBoy
03-16-2016, 12:18 AM
The majority of them are fucking retards that's why. She takes huge contributions from private prisons, Bernie can't stand them and wants to eliminate incarceration over petty drug violations. She is backed by the major of Chicago who has done shit for minority schools there, Bernie can't stand the guy. She's been built by Wall Street, he's been built by the people. There is literally no reason why these morons should be supporting her. The only thing I can think of is the fact that she's been dickriding Obama hard and they love their black president.
Bernie just got crushed. Can't blame it all on the blacks.
I hope Bernie dems realize that while Donald Trump may be somewhat risky, he is our great hope for getting a POTUS who is not under the control of special interests.
Bernie just got crushed. Can't blame it all on the blacks.
True.
He actually didn't get as crushed in North Carolina as I thought he would be.
Blacks are starting to be for him so she's not entirely relying on them. She's got the hispanic, blacks and old white vote.
Is not like she's dependent on one demographic alone. She's popular among others as well.
Gotta give credit where its due.
spurraider21
03-16-2016, 12:41 AM
written on march 3... it relies on daily kos so i'm taking it with a heaping bowl of salt
Clinton Will Build Her Biggest Lead on March 15. Sanders Will Erode It After That. (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/03/clinton-will-build-biggest-lead-march-15-sanders-will-erode.html)
daslicer
03-16-2016, 12:42 AM
Why is she dominating the black vote? What is she really going to do differently than Obama and Obama has not done enough for the black community.
I would say there is a several reasons to why she is getting the black vote. I'm a Bernie supporter but I knew it would be an uphill battle.
1. The 90's was the only time in recent history where black income went up and black unemployment was at an all time low. That period of time is associated with Clinton so that resonates greatly within the black community.
2. She is tightly connected to Obama. The black community views a vote for Hillary as reaffirmation that Obama was a successful president.
3. Black people tend to be super religious and Bernie is not.
4. Hillary resonates with black woman deeply since a lot of them are hardcore feminists.
5. Black people have always been obsessed with Brands such as Jordans,Nikes, etc. The Clintons are a recognizable brand name in the black community while Bernie is not.
6. The Clintons are also heavily backed by the black establishment and Bernie is not.
7. I would say Bill more so than Hillary has a lifetime of social experiences with blacks that date all the way back to his childhood in Arkansas. Bill grew up as a white trash which caused him to have a lot of interactions with the black community. It's because of all these experiences Bill has had with that black community that allows him to come across as a natural communicator when addressing them. Hillary taps into this obviously for her advantage.
Bernie just got crushed. Can't blame it all on the blacks.
Sure, it's not just the blacks. The older generations are pretty uneducated about their respective track records as well.
Illinois and Missouri could've easily gone in favor of Bernie if the Chicago/St. Louis areas weren't so pro-Clinton though. Wouldn't have been much different as far as awarded delegates go but you wouldn't have been using the word crushed to describe tonight either.
2. She is tightly connected to Obama. The black community views a vote for Hillary as reaffirmation that Obama was a successful president.
5. Black people have always been obsessed with Brands such as Jordans,Nikes, etc. The Clintons are a recognizable brand name in the black community while Bernie is not.
I would say these two are far and away the biggest reasons. In other words nothing to do with actual politics.
angrydude
03-16-2016, 04:21 AM
Face it, Trump is the candidate. Even if there is a brokered convention all he has to do is offer Cruz a SCOTUS seat and it'll be a done deal.
Nbadan
03-16-2016, 05:02 AM
written on march 3... it relies on daily kos so i'm taking it with a heaping bowl of salt
Clinton Will Build Her Biggest Lead on March 15. Sanders Will Erode It After That. (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/03/clinton-will-build-biggest-lead-march-15-sanders-will-erode.html)
Certainly not over for the Bern...
Face it, Trump is the candidate. Even if there is a brokered convention all he has to do is offer Cruz a SCOTUS seat and it'll be a done deal.
Don't think so. If Trump doesn't clinch the nomination on the first ballot when the delegates are bound to him, they'll abandon him in the second round. Kasich taking Ohio and staying in the race (diluting Trump's votes in more moderate states) will prevent him from reaching 1237.
Pelicans78
03-16-2016, 08:16 AM
Don't think so. If Trump doesn't clinch the nomination on the first ballot when the delegates are bound to him, they'll abandon him in the second round. Kasich taking Ohio and staying in the race (diluting Trump's votes in more moderate states) will prevent him from reaching 1237.
Kasich is hurting Cruz more then helping. Cruz would have won Missouri and North Carolina and had a good shot at Illinois if it wasn't for Kasich. Having Kasich in the race will hurt Cruz in the other big states.
Kasich is hurting Cruz more then helping. Cruz would have won Missouri and North Carolina and had a good shot at Illinois if it wasn't for Kasich. Having Kasich in the race will hurt Cruz in the other big states.
Respectfully disagree - I think Kasich does better in the NE moderate states, and his supporters are more likely to go to Trump. Rubio supporters are more likely to go to Cruz so I think Rubio is the one who stopped Cruz in MO and NC. Kasich is the one who stopped Trump in OH.
Certainly not over for the Bern...
He's too far behind. It's over.
Mitch
03-21-2016, 08:51 PM
Republicans and Democrats doing Arizona and Utah tomorrow, Dems doing Idaho as well.
Trump should take Arizona, split with Cruz. Kasich getting his hands in would be an upset
Cruz should take most of Utah and split with Kasich, tbh. If trump registers at 20%+ it'll be an upset for Cruz
Hilary should grab Arizona, Bernie Utah
No clue about Idaho, tho
Republicans and Democrats doing Arizona and Utah tomorrow, Dems doing Idaho as well.
Trump should take Arizona, split with Cruz. Kasich getting his hands in would be an upset
Cruz should take most of Utah and split with Kasich, tbh. If trump registers at 20%+ it'll be an upset for Cruz
Hilary should grab Arizona, Bernie Utah
No clue about Idaho, tho
Bernie should win Idaho handily as well. Not sure about Arizona.
Mitch
03-21-2016, 11:23 PM
Bernie should win Idaho handily as well. Not sure about Arizona.
Hopefully, as long as he doesn't get blown out again.
Bernie should win Idaho handily as well. Not sure about Arizona.
He will win 2 out of 3.
Hillary wins Arizona in another blowout, imo.
Bernie does really well in caucuses. It's a matter of how much is he going to win by. It has to be huge.
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God bless the great Bernie Sanders. :worthy:
LOL Hillary's side looks like shit.
spurraider21
03-22-2016, 10:09 PM
krazy klinton with a big lead in arizona... 25 point lead with 41% of the votes in
It's gonna go down as I predicted. Arizona goes to Clinton and Idaho and Utah will no doubt go to Sanders.
All early votes from the retarded old folk. Bernie should be able to close in some, no way does it end up that lopsided.
Mitch
03-22-2016, 10:21 PM
No surprises so far
Pelicans78
03-22-2016, 10:25 PM
Cruz has to win 50%+ in Utah.
Trill Clinton
03-22-2016, 10:26 PM
Damn Mexicans came thru for Hilary
All early votes from the retarded old folk. Bernie should be able to close in some, no way does it end up that lopsided.
Maricopa is the only huge county in Arizona, she has that locked up. The rest are small counties. Not enough votes to make up the huge gap.
But he should win Utah and Idaho lopsided. No gained or loss ground for him.
Not good for Bernie, imo.
Mitch
03-22-2016, 10:33 PM
Cruz has to win 50%+ in Utah.
Kasich was polling in the 20s IIRC, it might be close for Cruz
Spurminator
03-22-2016, 10:40 PM
Ted threw an Arizona Hail Mary with that patrolling-Muslim-neighborhoods stuff and it still didn't win him the primary.
ducks
03-22-2016, 10:42 PM
Cruz chokes
So much for low turnout numbers for Democrats. Both Utah and Idaho got record breaking numbers.
Utah literally cant keep up. :lol
Cruz has to win 50%+ in Utah.
He's well on pace.
First batch of results coming in. He's at 62% as of right now with 2percent reported.
Utah starting to come in.
Bernie leading big time.
Mitch
03-23-2016, 12:29 AM
I'll have to see the results when I wake up, looks on track for Utah though.
Idaho and Utah, please that make that bitch nonviable in both states.
“Something Is Going Seriously Wrong at Arizona Polls Today”:
Arizona’s primaries aren’t even done yet, and there’s already legal action being taken as a result of incompetence or possibly even intentional sabotage. Leaders from the Arizona branch of the Democratic Party have confirmed that its lawyers are officially making an inquiry after multiple Democratic voters showed up to the polls only to find that they were listed as independents, Republicans, or had no party affiliation at all.
Many voters wound up having to wait in line under the hot Arizona sun only to find that they were ineligible to vote for the candidates of their choice.
To add insult to injury, the polling locations have been so poorly planned that many voters had to wait in line up to four hours before finding out that their information had been improperly filed.
No word yet on any pattern of demographic affected. Enrique Gutierrez, communications director for the Arizona Democratic Party, told US Uncut.
“We’ve been getting calls all day from lifelong Democrats who have been registered as independents...One woman even said she’d been registered as a Libertarian.”
http://m.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/22/1505136/-Arizona-Officials-Confirm-Legal-Action-in-Primary-Fiasco-Sanders-Ask-Voters-Monitor-Situation
clintons gonna clinton tbh
How is that a Clinton problem? :lmao
Arizona is a closed primary. You cant vote if you're not a registered Democrat. No indepents can vote in that.
This happens to people who dont pay attention to where they live. They had up to a month to change party to be able to vote.
This also effected the republicans side. I have a pal from there who is a republican. He had to wait an obcene long time to be able to vote.
Elections officials in Maricopa County are now fielding complaints from voters who believe they were registered with a political party but were told they were not.
Democratic Party political director Barb Lubin says they've taken calls from hundreds of voters whose names were not on the rolls when they went to vote. She said there may be a problem with the state's online registration process.
Elections Department spokeswoman Elizabeth Bartholomew says Democrats passed on concerns and acknowledged the problem may be with voters who update their information on the Service Arizona website. She says voters who go in to update their addresses apparently didn't complete the form and choose a political party, defaulting to independent.
How is that a Clinton problem? :lmao
Arizona is a closed primary. You cant vote if you're not a registered Democrat. No indepents can vote in that.
This happens to people who dont pay attention to where they live. They had up to a month to change party to be able to vote.
This also effected the republicans side. I have a pal from there who is a republican. He had to wait an obcene long time to be able to vote.
Leaders from the Arizona branch of the Democratic Party have confirmed that its lawyers are officially making an inquiry after multiple Democratic voters showed up to the polls only to find that they were listed as independents, Republicans, or had no party affiliation at all.
“We’ve been getting calls all day from lifelong Democrats who have been registered as independents...One woman even said she’d been registered as a Libertarian.”
Read my second post. Specially the bolded part.
spurraider21
03-23-2016, 01:37 AM
net positive for bernie today :tu
...while krazy klinton wins one of the most (if not the most) racist states in the US
https://i.gyazo.com/d6073801b73c37b540afb1403bc0422f.png
4 delegates more. That will show her.
spurraider21
03-23-2016, 01:52 AM
:lmao rubio
InRareForm
03-23-2016, 02:46 AM
Arizona is the racist capital
4 delegates more. That will show her.
Will be closer to 20. Delegates in UT are still being allocated and he keeps cutting the lead in AZ. He's actually gotten 60% of the day-of votes in AZ. Shillary is hitting the nursing homes hard and getting all the Alzheimer's patients to cast early votes for her imho.
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What other candidate would inspire voters to stand in line for 5 hours, until 1 am their time?
spurraider21
03-23-2016, 03:34 AM
as of now Sanders is +7 today and they're still not done tallying utah/az. still 9 more utah delegates and 5 from AZ to distribute
boutons_deux
03-23-2016, 03:49 AM
712550431961051136
What other candidate would inspire voters to stand in line for 5 hours, until 1 am their time?
America's broke, can't afford to provide enough voting places in primaries and elections. Greatest Democracy In the Universe, and so fucking proud of it. Just another MYTH that Americans believe.
boutons_deux
03-23-2016, 04:02 AM
5 Outrageous Examples of Voter Suppression in the Arizona Primary
1. Lines were so long people literally spent an entire work day waiting in line
In 2012, Maricopa County, which is the most populous county in Arizona, had over 200 polling locations open on primary day. In 2016, that number was reduced to just 60. This amounted to over 20,000 voters for every polling location, meaning voters had to stand in line for hours to cast their ballots.
As it turns out, elections in Arizona are governed by the county recorder, who determines how many polling places are actually open on Election Day. The recorder in Pima County, which houses Tucson, had twice as many polling locations open (http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/03/22/live-arizona-primary-coverage-presidential-preference-election/82096726/) than in Maricopa County. And Pima County is roughly one-third the size of Maricopa County.
Maricopa County Recorder Helen Purcell was responsible for the reduction in polling places in 2016, justifying it by saying turnout was traditionally low, so the solution was to reduce the number of places where citizens could cast their vote.
Local NBC reporter Joe Dana put this in perspective with one tweet:
Another local reporter, Jason Volentine, managed to capture video of one of the long lines in Maricopa County in a live Facebook broadcast, while interviewing several voters who had no choice but to wait hours in the hot sun to participate in the primary:
Another man testified that he had waited for over four hours to cast his ballot in Maricopa County, where the line stretched for over half a mile.
In the wake of so many stories and social media outbursts about long lines, Helen Purcell became the target of outrage. However, when confronted by a local reporter, Purcell instead blamed the voters for getting in line. Literally.
Purcell may have been responsible for a new Maricopa County record: The last ballot in her county wasn’t cast until after midnight local time (http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/03/22/live-arizona-primary-coverage-presidential-preference-election/82096726/), or 3 AM Eastern time.
The elections are such a mess in Arizona that the Secretary of State and the Office of the Maricopa County Recorder are admitting they can’t handle running an election. Both Purcell and Secretary of State Michele Reagan support legislation (https://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2016/03/21/arizona-secretary-of-states-prepares-for-presidential-preference-election/) that will turn the administration of elections over to state party organizations.
2. Clear voter suppression in Latino neighborhoods
In Helen Purcell’s mad dash to consolidate polling locations across Maricopa County, she somehow forgot to have polling places open in densely-populated Latino communities on the day of the primary. This is a glaring oversight, given that 40.8 percent (http://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045215/0455000) of Phoenix’s 1.5 million residents are Latino. State Senator Martin Quezada told AZCentral.com (http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/elviadiaz/2016/03/22/maricopa-county-election-officials-writing-off-voters-you-bet/82145554/) that the lack of available polling locations for the Latino community was problematic.
“In my district, there is only one polling place,’’ Sen. Quezada said. “In my neighboring district, LD 30, there are no polling places.”
“It is no coincidence many poor and predominantly Latino areas didn’t get a polling place,” AZCentral.com editorial columnist Elvia Diaz wrote Tuesday night.
3. Democrats mistakenly registered as independents, given provisional ballots
As Arizona voters were still waiting to cast their ballots, US Uncut reported (http://usuncut.com/politics/arizona-polling-disaster/) on allegations that voters who had previously registered as Democrat were instead listed in the voter database as “independent” or “no party listed.” In Arizona’s closed primary system, independent voters are denied their voice by having to vote with a provisional ballot. But what voters classified as “independent” who cast provisional ballots don’t realize is that their ballots are never counted.
42-year-old Kelly Thornton, who worked as an Election Day Technician in Yavapai County voting center 5 on Tuesday, told US Uncut that roughly two thirds of voters who came to her precinct had been mistakenly identified as independent by the election software. All of those voters were subsequently forced to cast a provisional ballot.
“One man was a lifelong Democrat who was listed as independent. He left the precinct, went to his house, and came back with a card showing that he was registered as a Democrat,” Thornton told US Uncut. “But when I called the election center (administered by the county recorder’s office), they told me to just give him a provisional ballot anyway.”
“People were so cavalier about it, it was like no big deal,” Thornton added.
Thornton was also given a script by the Yavapai County recorder’s office (http://www2.yavapai.us/electionsvr/) to read to voters, verbatim, when they asked if their provisional ballots would be counted. The script outright tells the voter that if they cast a provisional ballot when the system lists them as independent, their vote will not be counted:
“I called the Arizona Democratic Party office around 1 PM, and I said, ‘Something is not right here.’ They said someone would call me back, and nobody called me back,” Thornton said. “This is the exact same thing that voters have been experiencing in Pima and Maricopa County all day.”
Given that one of Bernie Sanders’ largest base of voter support comes from independents, it isn’t hard to see why the Vermont senator lost Arizona handily — his core supporters’ ballots weren’t counted.
4. Suspicious evacuations of county buildings at peak voting times
The office of the Pima County recorder, which oversees elections in the Tucson area, received warning of a suspicious package in an adjacent garage, and workers answering calls from polling places had to put everything on hold (http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/31542082/suspicious-package-prompts-building-evacuation-in-downtown) for nearly an hour. By the time workers returned to the phones, they had to bring in additional staff to help with the call load.
According to Tucson News Now (http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/31542082/suspicious-package-prompts-building-evacuation-in-downtown), that wasn’t the only location that received a bomb threat on primary day:
Four locations in Tucson received bomb threats on Tuesday, so the building was evacuated as a precaution. At the time of the evacuation, the Pima County Recorder’s Office had been staffing a voter help line to answer questions about voter eligibility, polling locations and other voting-related issues.
5. Calling Arizona for Hillary Clinton while people were still in line
At roughly 8:30 PM local time, a little over an hour after polls closed, with less than one percent of precincts reporting, the Associated Press declared Hillary Clinton the winner (https://www.yahoo.com/politics/clinton-edges-closer-to-nomination-with-arizona-033001123.html) of the Arizona primary. In Democratic primaries and caucuses, delegates are awarded proportionally, meaning that even if a candidate “wins” a state, their opponent still gets a share of delegates. If the win is razor-thin, delegates are split. Thus, a premature declaration of victory for one candidate can very likely discourage thousands of people still waiting in line from voting.
Many on social media are crying foul over the incompetent primary process. A Whitehouse.gov petition has been launched calling on the Obama administration to investigate the claims of voter suppression during the Arizona primary. The White House is obligated to all petitions that garner over 100,000 signatures.
http://usuncut.com/politics/5-examples-voter-suppression-arizona-primary/
AZ, just another red or slave state that sucks, overwhelmingly just because it's red or slave. Repugs fuck up everything they touch. It's their anti-govt strategy paid for by VRWC.
Will be closer to 20. Delegates in UT are still being allocated and he keeps cutting the lead in AZ. He's actually gotten 60% of the day-of votes in AZ. Shillary is hitting the nursing homes hard and getting all the Alzheimer's patients to cast early votes for her imho.
You're right. It ended up almost being a net gain of almost 20 delegates.
Problem is, Bernie is running out of caucus and open primaries now.
spurraider21
03-23-2016, 10:42 AM
You're right. It ended up almost being a net gain of almost 20 delegates.
Problem is, Bernie is running out of caucus and open primaries now.
who's the down syndrome looking hoe in ur avatar?
Mitch
03-23-2016, 11:10 AM
Pretty good day for Bern, hope he can keep chipping away at that gap.
Trump's lucky Arizona was wta, Cruz's bible thumping and Romney's endorsement was a huge success there.
who's the down syndrome looking hoe in ur avatar?
Why do you want to know the name of a supposed woman with down syndrome? Is that your thing?
spurraider21
03-23-2016, 11:28 AM
Why do you want to know the name of a supposed woman with down syndrome? Is that your thing?
i didn't say she's a downsie. there's a reason i said "looking"
i'm assuming she's a public figure, just askin. its ok if you dont want to share
i didn't say she's a downsie. there's a reason i said "looking"
i'm assuming she's a public figure, just askin. its ok if you dont want to share
Just an ex model from Belgium as it turns out. Ingrid Vandebosch
There are a couple of these going on tonight.
Not looking great for Drumpf.
Sanders also is shown with the lead in the exit polls.
Pelicans78
04-05-2016, 08:26 PM
Fox News projected Bernie winning Sanders. CNN hasn't done it yet.
Pelicans78
04-05-2016, 08:29 PM
Fox News just project Cruz winning Wisconsin.
If money is free speech, then why isn't bribery for endorsements and votes legal???
djohn2oo8
04-05-2016, 08:41 PM
Fox News projected Bernie winning Sanders. CNN hasn't done it yet.
Cruz is absolutely crushing Trump. If he wins all the delegates then its close to a lock for a contested convention.
The polls have been so money this cycle. Except for that Michigan botched job, they have all being nearly 100% correct.
djohn2oo8
04-05-2016, 08:54 PM
I HATE Ted Cruz.
:lol alot of people do. Your boy aint making it out of the convention with the nomination
Pelicans78
04-05-2016, 08:58 PM
If Rubio's delegates pledge to Cruz right away, Cruz has a good shot of winning on the first ballot.
Cruz sounds so fake. He makes Hillary sound legit. :lol
I HATE Ted Cruz.
Me three.
I hope Trump goes third party and blows the whole GOP into smithereens.
Pelicans78
04-05-2016, 09:02 PM
This was by far Trump's worst loss. Not just losing a swing state with heavy independent voting, but getting destroyed, murdered, obliterated.
djohn2oo8
04-05-2016, 09:03 PM
This was by far Trump's worst loss. Not just losing a swing state with heavy independent voting, but getting destroyed, murdered, obliterated.
This convention gonna be gud.
Cruz sounds so fake. He makes Hillary sound legit. :lol
He tries to talk how he thinks people in other states think all Texan's talk. He is fake as shit -- makes Hillary look acceptable and that's no easy feat.
Pelicans78
04-05-2016, 09:04 PM
I hope Trump goes third party and blows the whole GOP into smithereens.
He probably will. At that point, we all better hope that Sanders is the democratic nominee, otherwise Clinton will be our next president with Bill as First Gentleman.
djohn2oo8
04-05-2016, 09:04 PM
Cruz wont be the nominee though. They might beg Romney to run again.
djohn2oo8
04-05-2016, 09:05 PM
Good God if Rick Perry gets in the race :lol
Pelicans78
04-05-2016, 09:06 PM
This convention gonna be gud.
Cruz is gonna try to win it on the first ballot. Rubio's delegates will be the key. But Cruz has to survive the northeast primaries first. Trump can still clinch the 1237.
Pelicans78
04-05-2016, 09:07 PM
Cruz wont be the nominee though. They might beg Romney to run again.
He would easily lose. Cruz or Trump will be their best chance to win.
djohn2oo8
04-05-2016, 09:07 PM
Cruz is gonna try to win it on the first ballot. Rubio's delegates will be the key. But Cruz has to survive the northeast primaries first. Trump can still clinch the 1237.
Trump is going to need to win 70 percent of the delegates the rest of the way to do that. Not happening.
djohn2oo8
04-05-2016, 09:08 PM
He would easily lose. Cruz or Trump will be their best chance to win.
Both Trump and Cruz will get smoked by Hillary. It really doesnt matter at this point. If Cruz is the nominee, alot of republicans will stay home in the general
Pelicans78
04-05-2016, 09:08 PM
He tries to talk how he thinks people in other states think all Texan's talk. He is fake as shit -- makes Hillary look acceptable and that's no easy feat.
He's been saying the same stuff since he's first run for president.
Pelicans78
04-05-2016, 09:12 PM
Both Trump and Cruz will get smoked by Hillary. It really doesnt matter at this point.
I think Cruz can unite the base more than Trump. Hillary's a terrible candidate. Independents won't vote for her. Bernie's supporters can't stand her either. She could easily be the worst candidate on the Democratic side in 30 years. Her record is abysmal and she has one of the highest unfavorable ratings.
djohn2oo8
04-05-2016, 09:17 PM
I think Cruz can unite the base more than Trump. Hillary's a terrible candidate. Independents won't vote for her. Bernie's supporters can't stand her either. She could easily be the worst candidate on the Democratic side in 30 years. Her record is abysmal and she has one of the highest unfavorable ratings.
They are using Cruz to stop Trump, so they can have a contested convention.
Independents wont vote for Cruz. He is a know scumbag and Republicans hate him just as much as Trump. Its really a lesser of two evils. Yet, they are begging Paul Ryan, and Romney to run. Which means they still dont want Cruz as their nominee. Hell Rubio's backers want him to run again.
LOL that faggot behind Sanders playing with his hair like a true queer.
Pelicans78
04-05-2016, 09:27 PM
They are using Cruz to stop Trump, so they can have a contested convention.
Independents wont vote for Cruz. He is a know scumbag and Republicans hate him just as much as Trump. Its really a lesser of two evils. Yet, they are begging Paul Ryan, and Romney to run. Which means they still dont want Cruz as their nominee. Hell Rubio's backers want him to run again.
But Romney and Ryan don't have a chance. The Republican establishment may not like Cruz, but the voters do. He's an original Tea Party candidate with a large grassroots movement.
baseline bum
04-05-2016, 09:44 PM
I think Cruz can unite the base more than Trump. Hillary's a terrible candidate. Independents won't vote for her. Bernie's supporters can't stand her either. She could easily be the worst candidate on the Democratic side in 30 years. Her record is abysmal and she has one of the highest unfavorable ratings.
Cruz being the guy filibustering Obamacare likely makes him much worse to independents. Republicans tried to make 2012 a referendum on Obamacare and they lost to probably the weakest incumbent since Carter. Republicans love Cruz and everyone else hates him. I don't know why Republicans think they're losing these elections because they're not far enough to the right.
hater
04-05-2016, 09:50 PM
While entire nation is busy worrying about Trump and Shillary and Bernie, Ted Cruz is getting dangerously closer and closer to the white house.
If he somehow lands in the white house, this country is done. I'm out myself :lol I am not going to live under a Cruz presidency.
Gone are the Iowa days of Trump the graceful loser. After losing Wisconsin tonight, his campaign put out a statement saying that Trump “withstood the onslaught of the establishment” and that “Lyin’ Ted Cruz had the governor of Wisconsin, many conservative talk radio show hosts, and the entire party apparatus behind him.” The statement went on in that manner, with Trump calling Cruz a “Trojan horse, being used by the party bosses attempting to steal the nomination from Mr. Trump.”
We can gather two things from this statement: 1) Trump is feeling Cruz’s hot breath down his neck in the fight for delegates and 2) Trump is a fan of the serial comma (long may it reign).
:cry
baseline bum
04-05-2016, 09:54 PM
If Cruz is the nominee, alot of republicans will stay home in the general
Really? All my Republican friends fucking love Lying Ted.
baseline bum
04-05-2016, 09:57 PM
While entire nation is busy worrying about Trump and Shillary and Bernie, Ted Cruz is getting dangerously closer and closer to the white house.
If he somehow lands in the white house, this country is done. I'm out myself :lol I am not going to live under a Cruz presidency.
:lol
This country is already done nigga
djohn2oo8
04-05-2016, 10:02 PM
Really? All my Republican friends fucking love Lying Ted.
The establishment Repugs hate him. They are only tolerating him to get this thing to a contested convention because they hate Trump more. They would rather hand the election to Hillary than have Trump win.
Pelicans78
04-05-2016, 10:14 PM
The establishment Repugs hate him. They are only tolerating him to get this thing to a contested convention because they hate Trump more. They would rather hand the election to Hillary than have Trump win.
The establishment is not a large part of the constituency. They can hate Cruz all they want, but Republicans across the board will vote for Cruz over Hillary.
baseline bum
04-05-2016, 10:30 PM
The establishment Repugs hate him. They are only tolerating him to get this thing to a contested convention because they hate Trump more. They would rather hand the election to Hillary than have Trump win.
They'd be done as a party if they steal the nomination from both Trump and Cruz. This is Cruz's nomination to lose I think.
They'd be done as a party if they steal the nomination from both Trump and Cruz. This is Cruz's nomination to lose I think.
Most of Cruz's support is just protest against Trump. No one is going to go rioting in the streets over Ted Cruz losing the nomination. :lol
djohn2oo8
04-05-2016, 10:47 PM
Most of Cruz's support is just protest against Trump. No one is going to go rioting in the streets over Ted Cruz losing the nomination. :lol
This.
djohn2oo8
04-05-2016, 10:48 PM
The establishment is not a large part of the constituency. They can hate Cruz all they want, but Republicans across the board will vote for Cruz over Hillary.
You are underestimating how a contested convention could get ugly and alienate voters.
baseline bum
04-05-2016, 10:56 PM
Most of Cruz's support is just protest against Trump. No one is going to go rioting in the streets over Ted Cruz losing the nomination. :lol
I don't buy that at all, it would be a surefire way to completely alienate their voters who haven't wanted Rubio, haven't wasn't Kasich, haven't wanted Christie, and haven't wanted Jeb. They would lose so many Senate seats and would probably get horrible turnout in the 2018 midterms and likely lose the House too then. I don't think the party would be viable if they indeed do use Cruz as the trojan horse Trump is suggesting.
They're pretty likely losing the presidency either way, but will probably do better in their senate races with Cruz since he's not running a racist campaign like Trump's that would probably drive enormous minority turnout.
spurraider21
04-05-2016, 11:00 PM
Cruz being the guy filibustering Obamacare likely makes him much worse to independents. Republicans tried to make 2012 a referendum on Obamacare and they lost to probably the weakest incumbent since Carter. Republicans love Cruz and everyone else hates him. I don't know why Republicans think they're losing these elections because they're not far enough to the right.
this is the crux of the problem, my old man is a big conservative and he keeps trying to hammer this point too, and i just shake my head
Nbadan
04-05-2016, 11:02 PM
You are underestimating how a contested convention could get ugly and alienate voters.
That goes for both sides...a contested convention is more possible today than ever thanks to all the states that have adopted proportional caucuses and primaries...and the fact that there is no clear favorite in either party....
ElNono
04-05-2016, 11:04 PM
Cruz being the guy filibustering Obamacare likely makes him much worse to independents. Republicans tried to make 2012 a referendum on Obamacare and they lost to probably the weakest incumbent since Carter. Republicans love Cruz and everyone else hates him. I don't know why Republicans think they're losing these elections because they're not far enough to the right.
Yup, there's a big, big disconnect from certain parts of the party on that aspect... I think they're going to have to keep losing a few more elections until it sinks in
Nbadan
04-05-2016, 11:05 PM
They're pretty likely losing the presidency either way, but will probably do better in their senate races with Cruz since he's not running a racist campaign like Trump's that would probably drive enormous minority turnout.
Hillary coat-tails? Perhaps this is what the GOP establishment fears more than losing the WH...
baseline bum
04-05-2016, 11:06 PM
Yup, there's a big, big disconnect from certain parts of the party on that aspect... I think they're going to have to keep losing a few more elections until it sinks in
The thing is, with all the gerrymandering that's been done being far right is critical to their success in the House.
ElNono
04-05-2016, 11:10 PM
The thing is, with all the gerrymandering that's been done being far right is critical to their success in the House.
That's the current dichotomy for them. You gotta be ultra-right to keep your House seat, but you can't win the whitehouse, then you can't pass shit. The problem with gerrymandering is that it's likely a losing proposition long term. Demographics are going to keep shifting, these niglets are not going to learn until they lose a couple more elections and maybe the senate...
Last time they panicked because they were getting destroyed by the Hispanic vote, and did that bullshit with McCain and Rubio right after the 2012 election to pander to them, and it didn't get anywhere. Heck, Cruz is campaigning on how he stood against it.
ElNono
04-05-2016, 11:18 PM
I actually thought Mitt would shift to the middle after the primaries, but dude went with Ryan to appease the TeaTards and det 47% talk just buried him :lol
But then conservatives were bitching that he was not conservative enough?
I HATE Ted Cruz.
He gives me the creeps. Mind you, I probably line up with him on everything except his 3 exceptions to abortion, but everything about the person (not the policies) repulses me.
Pennsylvania has a bunch of unbound delegates so even if Trump does well there (voting-wise), he won't get them. I don't think Trump's gonna reach the 1237 and unless he can convince some unbound delegates before the convention to vote for him on the first ballot, he's gonna lose. Cruz's ground game/preparation is too good and all the party delegates will go with him rather than Trump.
baseline bum
04-05-2016, 11:38 PM
I actually thought Mitt would shift to the middle after the primaries, but dude went with Ryan to appease the TeaTards and det 47% talk just buried him :lol
But then conservatives were bitching that he was not conservative enough?
Yeah that never made any sense to try to appeal to the base when a black man in office was all the motivation the base needed to show up on election day for Romney.
Nbadan
04-07-2016, 05:59 PM
Drip, drip...drip...
This means that the race currently stands at +212 delegates for Clinton. On March 16, her lead stood at +319.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/07/another-path-to-victory-for-bernie-sanders/
boutons_deux
04-07-2016, 06:20 PM
can anybody find a list of remaining Dem primaries, delegates per state and whether proportional or winner-take-all?
I don't think any are "winner take all".
spurraider21
04-07-2016, 06:31 PM
sanders has been winning states but the margins need to be bigger for him to actually catch up. winning a state by 10-20 delegates isn't going to get him caught up in time to sway supers
boutons_deux
04-07-2016, 06:37 PM
sanders has been winning states but the margins need to be bigger for him to actually catch up. winning a state by 10-20 delegates isn't going to get him caught up in time to sway supers
in theory, not practice, he only has win more non-super delegates, then the supers follow him as the primaries winner. no matter what Dem establishment, Hillary supporters say, the super-delegates pledged to her are not glued to her, but will switch to Bernie.
If they don't, then the Dems will have the same disaster of a divided angry party as the Repugs have. Hillary thinks she can trash Bernie now and smooth it all over after she's in the WH.
spurraider21
04-07-2016, 06:38 PM
i dont know how easily they'll switch to somebody that doesn't even identify as a democrat and has been shitting on clinton/obama administration
Nbadan
04-07-2016, 06:39 PM
sanders has been winning states but the margins need to be bigger for him to actually catch up. winning a state by 10-20 delegates isn't going to get him caught up in time to sway supers
Sanders has to win NY....Nate is giving Clinton a 95% chance of winning NY......so yeah, Sanders has a though road ahead...but this is politics and anything can happen....
boutons_deux
04-07-2016, 06:46 PM
shitting on clinton/obama administration
link?
Hillary and her superpacs have been flinging plenty of shit for months.
spurraider21
04-07-2016, 06:56 PM
Hillary and her superpacs have been flinging plenty of shit for months.
never denied that
Drip, drip...drip...
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/07/another-path-to-victory-for-bernie-sanders/
Its too bad she's about to wipe the floor with him starting with New York.
Nbadan
04-07-2016, 10:53 PM
Its too bad she's about to wipe the floor with him starting with New York.
Yeah, I don't know about 'wipe the floor'....Bernie is within 10 in the latest polls and given that NY is a primarily blue state, we can expect minimal young voter suppression....it could be close, but yeah, if Bernie loses NY by even a few delegates it will just be even more delegates he has to win somewhere else....
boutons_deux
04-07-2016, 11:01 PM
69% unfavorable Trump
63% said they'd never vote for him.
He can't even get 50% of Repugs, never gonna win the general. And neither can Cruz. You Repugs are fucked.
spurraider21
04-08-2016, 01:16 AM
Yeah, I don't know about 'wipe the floor'....Bernie is within 10 in the latest polls and given that NY is a primarily blue state, we can expect minimal young voter suppression....it could be close, but yeah, if Bernie loses NY by even a few delegates it will just be even more delegates he has to win somewhere else....
are people going to play the suppression card every time a ballot doesnt go their way?
djohn2oo8
04-08-2016, 07:38 AM
Yeah, I don't know about 'wipe the floor'....Bernie is within 10 in the latest polls and given that NY is a primarily blue state, we can expect minimal young voter suppression....it could be close, but yeah, if Bernie loses NY by even a few delegates it will just be even more delegates he has to win somewhere else....
She doesnt have to wipe the floor with him. She will win Pennsylvania, New York, California, Maryland.
boutons_deux
04-08-2016, 09:34 AM
are people going to play the suppression card every time a ballot doesnt go their way?
in red, slave, Repug-controlled states, why not? esp if the vote diff is only a couple percent. Repugs CLEARLY, and now ADMITTEDLY, pass laws to suppress voters who don't vote "their way".
Yeah, I don't know about 'wipe the floor'....Bernie is within 10 in the latest polls and given that NY is a primarily blue state, we can expect minimal young voter suppression....it could be close, but yeah, if Bernie loses NY by even a few delegates it will just be even more delegates he has to win somewhere else....
New polls today show her padding that 10 points lead to 8 more points. This is even before he went ham on her.
I have a feeling that the unqualified comment is going to hurt him even more.
spurraider21
04-12-2016, 12:03 PM
:wow the whole thing, but 2:28 in particular
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBZX8LfE_cM
Republicans going to "steal" the election at the convention - Dems doing it one state at a time.
The question is: When it's over, are the voters going to be mad and demand change, or are they just going to go to sleep for the next 3 years? This feels different, and am hoping that this is the beginning of the end for the two-party system.
By all rights, Bernie and Trump should represent their own parties.
:wow the whole thing, but 2:28 in particular
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBZX8LfE_cM
This guy is a major douchebag. He doesn't even know how the proportionate system works. It shakes out more or less the same. They split the vote evenly. 14 delegates spread two ways.
They did a shitty job making Hillary look like she had an amazing day despite losing. They included superdelegates without saying shit so of course it will look inflated.
Which brings me to the next point. Superdelegates have been in place since like the 80s and haven't come into play since. So then, he has a problem with it now? That's down right hilarious.
Do your job media.
spurraider21
04-12-2016, 06:00 PM
WWithout saying so? :lmao next time watch it before commenting
WWithout saying so? :lmao next time watch it before commenting
He made the case the system was rigged first without talking about oh yeah nevermind, those are the super delegates. He didn't mentioned them at all, The only person who made a remark about superdelegates was the blonde chick. He talked delegates only.
There's a difference.
He made it sound like Hillary had 11 delegates over Sander's 7. That's a huge fail. He went on an angry tangent without clarifying the difference between a delegate and a superdelegate.
In fact, he never brought up the term superdelegates. Instead, he went full retard about how she got more delegates than he did which is false. Each got 7 and the graphics should reflect that.
Collectively they all failed misserably. He doesn't even know how the system works and the other two dudes sitting oposite got intimidated and couldn't explain away the situation.
spurraider21
04-12-2016, 06:28 PM
Keep semen shielding shillary :tu
Keep semen shielding shillary :tu
In this case I'm defending Sanders actually.
Is disingenuous to say Hillary has the more delegates when in fact you're adding delegates and superdelegates for her but not for Sanders.
Just because you have no arguement here doesn't mean you have to get personal. :lol
spurraider21
04-12-2016, 07:10 PM
superdelegate votes count just like delegate votes. to just pretend the superdelegates dont exist is ridiculous and disingenuous. wyoming has 4 supers and they've all pledged to shillary.
superdelegate votes count just like delegate votes. to just pretend the superdelegates dont exist is ridiculous and disingenuous. wyoming has 4 supers and they've all pledged to shillary.
They haven't come into play since the 80s. So no, they dont count as far as electing anyone. In the end they all switch what the popular vote goes to so people voting actually matters.
Joe Scarbough just knows his shitty republican party blows and wants to drag anyone he can with. I agree that the superdelegates should be done away with entirely but the way the democratic party votes is miles better than the Republican party.
Whoever heard of a state (Colorado) having a convention and getting their delegates that way without a single vote cast.
Now that is questinable without a shadow of a doubt.
TheSanityAnnex
04-12-2016, 07:58 PM
They haven't come into play since the 80s. So no, they dont count as far as electing anyone. In the end they all switch what the popular vote goes to so people voting actually matters.
Joe Scarbough just knows his shitty republican party blows and wants to drag anyone he can with. I agree that the superdelegates should be done away with entirely but the way the democratic party votes is miles better than the Republican party.
Whoever heard of a state (Colorado) having a convention and getting their delegates that way without a single vote cast.
Now that is questinable without a shadow of a doubt.
You don't understand how Colorado works.
http://link.nationalreview.com/view/547fa8553b35d0210c8c17073uwbh.4f47/00296043
spurraider21
04-13-2016, 12:49 PM
by the way, lost in the shuffle of the delegate count is the popular vote.
Clinton so far has about 2.5 million more votes than sanders, and trump has a roughly 2 million vote advantage over cruz (though the rest of the republican field has well over 6.5 million votes)
so far in the democratic primary they've received something like 16.5 million votes in total while the republicans have close the 21 million votes... recent trends have shown republicans getting a higher turnout in midterms but low turnouts in the general election... but i imagine this to normalize considering the massive blue states, CA and NY have yet to be accounted for
Nbadan
04-13-2016, 09:11 PM
Polls still say that NY is gonna make it a lot tougher for Bernie
New York polls have stabilized: Hillary Clinton has a clear and comfortable lead
By dailynewsbin | April 13, 2016
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Here’s where New York now stands: over the past week, eight different polling outlets have released new numbers. They all peg Hillary Clinton’s lead as being between ten and eighteen points. She’s likely to finish somewhere in that range. This is a closed primary, which means no Michigan style surprise. And because it’s too large of a state to erase a double digit difference in the final week before voting, it now looks clear that Clinton will win comfortably. That may help explain why the Sanders campaign is already looking to arrange a way to explain away the likely loss.
http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/new-york-polls-stabilize-hillary-clinton-has-a-clear-and-comfortable-lead/24460/
There can't possibly be that many landlines in NY can there?
There can't possibly be that many landlines in NY can there?
Just decided voters.
It doesn't help that Sanders is still not getting through the black people. He's stuck at around 25 percent or something like that.
The democratic debates have officially turned into the GOP mess. LOL
:lol Shillary has no response for the transcripts.
Why won't she release them, Reck?
Mitch
04-14-2016, 08:55 PM
The democratic debates have officially turned into the GOP mess. LOL
Desperation is sinking in, tbh. Bernie knows he should have put on his pants in February.
:lol Shillary has no response for the transcripts.
Why won't she release them, Reck (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14412)?
Do I look like cunton? :lol
Its pretty obvious she's not and is even more obvious she's still going to get paid for them going forward. At the same time, bringing this up every day has little to no effect as far as people who will vote each way.
He needs a new tactic tbh.
Was Bernie eating cookies on break? Wtf are those white crumbs on his suit? :lol
The democratic debates have officially turned into the GOP mess. LOL
Not really. Trump and Rubio took it to the ultimate low talking about dick size. :lol
CNN called the race for GOP in less than 2 seconds. :lmao
spurraider21
04-19-2016, 08:02 PM
CNN called the race for GOP in less than 2 seconds. :lmao
yeah they do that shit :lol...
The polls are closed in 3, 2, 1.... and we have called it for Trump!
spurraider21
04-19-2016, 08:04 PM
exit polls show KKKlinton got over 70% of the black vote, no surprise
Exit polls from CNN have clinton barely edging out Bernie 52-48 :lmao
Exit polls from CNN have clinton barely edging out Bernie 52-48 :lmao
60 to 40. The fuck does that mean?
exit polls show KKKlinton got over 70% of the black vote, no surprise
Low income/education blacks voting based on name recognition alone has been the elephant in the room this entire primary season for the Dems. Hillary semen shielders will deny it is some kind of issue, of course.
spurraider21
04-19-2016, 08:10 PM
Exit polls from CNN have clinton barely edging out Bernie 52-48 :lmao
bernie isn't going to get by with small wins and "barely losing" states... he has to win big states by big margins to actually get back. holding par is a winning move for klinton
bernie isn't going to get by with small wins and "barely losing" states... he has to win big states by big margins to actually get back. holding par is a winning move for klinton
No shit.
spurraider21
04-19-2016, 08:11 PM
i like how the bernie hysteria has exposed a lot of liberals though... :lol
:madrun dumb black voters :madrun
CosmicCowboy
04-19-2016, 08:11 PM
Trump blew them away at 54%
CosmicCowboy
04-19-2016, 08:12 PM
Kasich at 28, Cruz at 14
CosmicCowboy
04-19-2016, 08:14 PM
Im pretty sure Bernie is mathematically eliminated after today.
Low income/education blacks voting based on name recognition alone has been the elephant in the room this entire primary season for the Dems. Hillary semen shielders will deny it is some kind of issue, of course.
LOL Bernie supporters favorite fall back excuse.
He gets his ass handed to him by the Black, Hispanic and women voters. This is something you Bernie lovers always love bringing up about "low information" voter whenever he gets his ass lit the fuck up.
In term when Bernie wins the extra white states, he's legit, he has everyone covered. :lmao
Time to get realistic here. Bernie hasn't and won't win over the black or hispanic votes no matter what he does.
Bernie's advantage is the young and whites..barely. He doesn't have enough ground.
LOL Bernie supporters favorite fall back excuse.
He gets his ass handed to him by the Black, Hispanic and women voters. This is something you Bernie lovers always love bringing up about "low information" voter whenever he gets his ass lit the fuck up.
In term when Bernie wins the extra white states, he's legit, he has everyone covered. :lmao
Time to get realistic here. Bernie hasn't and won't win over the black or hispanic votes no matter what he does.
Bernie's advantage is the young and whites..barely. He doesn't have enough ground.
Uh, i never said anything like what youre talking about, which isnt even all true by a stretch. Nice try though.
Among registered dems Bernie dominates below 35, Hillary dominates above 35. Its pretty much that simple. The major outliers to that formula are black democrats mostly going for Hillary and independents mostly going for Bernie. Facts are just that, facts. The difference is consistently the black democrat vote.
Keep tryin to project and make blanket statements though.
Low income/education blacks voting based on name recognition alone
Uh, i never said anything like what youre talking about,
:rolleyes
CosmicCowboy
04-19-2016, 08:25 PM
Blacks, like uneducated whites are certainly not voting for their own best interests. If they were Bernie would be their guy.
:rolleyes
You rambled about a bunch of other shit, but if you want to deny that it is true, be my guest
Bernies getting killed with 22 percent in. Gonna watch the spurs whoop that ass since this shits probably over :cry :lol
Mitch
04-19-2016, 08:31 PM
R.I.P Bern, tbh
Now it's just Hillary and whoever the GOP decides should let her win.
InRareForm
04-19-2016, 08:32 PM
Looks like trump got the repub nomination.
Ladies and gentlemen, hillary will be president
You rambled about a bunch of other shit, but if you want to deny that it is true, be my guest
I think you like to argue for the sake of it. I didn't even vote for the lady. Yet you choose to make me a supporter of her. OK man I'm not going to keep going back and forth with this silliness.
Enjoy the game. I will be switching over and do the same as well. :toast
I think you like to argue for the sake of it. I didn't even vote for the lady. Yet you choose to make me a supporter of her. OK man I'm not going to keep going back and forth with this silliness.
Enjoy the game. I will be switching over and do the same as well. :toast
Um lots of people here acknowledge your hillary support breh
Enjoy the game as well man
Um lots of people here acknowledge your hillary support breh
Enjoy the game as well man
Well you are one, the other one is sanityannex which everyone knows he has an agenda against as per all his threads about her and articles and the other one is spursraider. That's just 3. That's hardly "lots."
But knock yourselves out man. Keep doing it.
spurraider21
04-19-2016, 08:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq54jb_5WCI
baseline bum
04-19-2016, 08:51 PM
Looks like trump got the repub nomination.
Why? He's still not on track for 1237 even pulling 85 of the 95 delegates tonight.
Ladies and gentlemen, hillary will be president
An ISIS attack here could make Trump a lot stronger in the general.
baseline bum
04-19-2016, 10:28 PM
Looks like Trump will get somewhere from 83-86 delegates out of NY.
http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/states/ny
Nbadan
04-19-2016, 10:50 PM
Irregularities overshadow U.S. presidential vote in New York City
Source: Reuters
Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican Donald Trump were favored to win their parties' U.S. presidential nominating contests in New York state on Tuesday, but voting was overshadowed by official confirmation that more than 125,000 people were missing from New York City voter rolls and reports of other irregularities.
New York City's comptroller ordered an audit of the city elections board after it confirmed the people's names had been removed from voter rolls.
"The people of New York City have lost confidence that the Board of Elections can effectively administer elections and we intend to find out why the Board of Elections is so consistently disorganized, chaotic and inefficient," Comptroller Scott Stringer said in a statement.
Faulty ballot scanners, late-opening polling locations and scant staffing were among the other problems that Stringer cited in a Tuesday letter to the board. He demanded swift attention.
Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-idUSKCN0XG130
What a surprise, those voters just happen to reside in Brooklyn, Senator Sanders home territory. I am shocked I tell you, shocked to see election stealing in New York
Nbadan
04-19-2016, 10:57 PM
Bernie is one indictment away from the White House....
Poll: More Than Half Of Voters Wouldn't Back Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Hillary Clinton
Source: CBS NEWS
By Emily Schultheis CBS News April 18, 2016, 6:22 PM
It's a common phrase in a tough election to say someone's choosing between the "lesser of two evils" when it comes to candidates--and new polling indicates that voters largely see themselves facing that kind of choice in the general election this fall.
Sixty-eight percent of those surveyed said they couldn't see themselves voting for GOP front-runner Donald Trump, according to an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll released Monday evening. For Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, the figure was almost as high: 61 percent said they couldn't see themselves backing him; 58 percent said the same of former secretary of state Hillary Clinton. The figures were slightly lower for Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders (48 percent) and Ohio Gov. John Kasich (47 percent).
Those convictions about not voting for top candidates come from voters' highly negative views of those candidate. Overall, 65 percent of voters have a negative view of Trump, compared with 24 percent who have a positive view -- which NBC notes makes him the least popular presidential candidate in the history of their polls.
Cruz and Clinton are also far underwater when it comes to image: their net favorability ratings are -23 points and -24 points, respectively. For Cruz, 26 percent of voters view him positively, compared with 49 percent who view him negatively; for Clinton, 32 percent view her favorably, compared with 56 percent who view her unfavorably.
Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-more-than-half-of-voters-wouldnt-back-donald-trump-ted-cruz-hillary-clinton/
Irregularities overshadow U.S. presidential vote in New York City
Source: Reuters
Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-idUSKCN0XG130
What a surprise, those voters just happen to reside in Brooklyn, Senator Sanders home territory. I am shocked I tell you, shocked to see election stealing in New York
So much for Dems being above voter disenfranchisement. Shit absolutely reeks, but good luck proving anything or even finding it in the history books a decade from now.
Ill never vote for Hillary. I will feel almost as nasty voting for Trump but he doesnt have a super PAC and isactually against the TPP (not just saying so like Mrs Wall Street) so he barely edges out the shill.
Bernie is one indictment away from the White House....
Sad.
Pinning your hopes on an old lady getting arrested in order to win the election.
I find it ironic that Bernie beats all 3 GOP candidates but cant run against Hillary.
BTW I'm getting the feeling Bernie is angling for a third party run along the lines.
Say hello to Trump as president.
Nbadan
04-19-2016, 11:10 PM
Sad.
Pinning your hopes on an old lady getting arrested in order to win the election.
I find it ironic that Bernie beats all 3 GOP candidates but cant run against Hillary.
Not Ironic.... with a closed primary.......in the general independents would swing the election...
Nbadan
04-19-2016, 11:12 PM
Sad.
Pinning your hopes on an old lady getting arrested in order to win the election.
I find it ironic that Bernie beats all 3 GOP candidates but cant run against Hillary.
but....technically, she did break the law...I don't know how far the FBI and the Obama justice dept. will take it though....
BTW I'm getting the feeling Bernie is angling for a third party run along the lines.
Say hello to Trump as president.
Sad truth is Bernie is way too nice to do some vindictive shit like that. He hasnt attacked Hillary's disgusting personal character attributes and lies at all like Trump certainly will, for example. He has repeatedly said any democrat is better than any republican nominee, too.
I assume Bernie is taking this at least to California, where he will make his decision about dropling out based on how big or small his W/L is.
Ill never vote for Hillary. I will feel almost as nasty voting for Trump but he doesnt have a super PAC and isactually against the TPP (not just saying so like Mrs Wall Street) so he barely edges out the shill.
Neither can I. She gets more repulsive each day. I'll probably just write the Bern's name in. Or if Trump retracts some of the shit he's said about Mexicans I'd probably vote for him.
Spurminator
04-20-2016, 09:32 AM
How can you fervently support someone like Bernie Sanders while claiming that you'll vote for someone who is basically the opposite of everything he stands for?
Winehole23
04-20-2016, 09:39 AM
whom does it benefit to shut undeclared voters out of primary voting?
Imagine if states prohibited some citizens from voting based on their political beliefs. The reaction, justifiably, would be outrage. Yet about a dozen states already do exactly that, with hardly a word of protest.
Much of the current national debate over voting rights has centered on overly stringent voter identification laws (http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-id.aspx). But the single largest impediment to voter participation is a system that barely arouses notice: closed primaries that exclude anyone who declines to join a political party.
In the most recent presidential primary election, New York's on Tuesday, about 1 in 4 voters were prohibited from casting ballots because they do not belong to either major political party. On April 26, the same fate will befall independent voters in Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland and Pennsylvania.
Democrats and Republicans alike have tended to defend or discount the wholesale disenfranchisement of independent voters in closed primaries, arguing that it’s their choice not to join a party. But membership in a party should not be a prerequisite for equal access to the polls when the election is paid for by the public and administered by the state.
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-04-19/new-york-s-flawed-primary
How can you fervently support someone like Bernie Sanders while claiming that you'll vote for someone who is basically the opposite of everything he stands for?
Actually, the Bernie or Trump paradox/ phenomenon has been documented for months now. Why? Both are against the devastating and retardedly destructive free trade agreements as well as tax loopholes, both are for campaign finance reform (which equally affects both parties), both are against perpetual warfare. And on a sidenote, neither candidate has a super PAC and or has been clearly and obviously bought this election like literally every other candidate, especially Shillary.
These are the biggest issues facing the country, everything else is way way way less important.
Of course, if youre one of those party liner people who actually believe Hillary isnt a moderate republican whos liberal on some social issues as of yestrday, you might find the thought of voting Trump repulsive. Dont really care though since Im an independent
whom does it benefit to shut undeclared voters out of primary voting?
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-04-19/new-york-s-flawed-primary
Absolutely. Bernie would be winning the nomination in a landslide if independents could turn out and vote for someone affiliated with either party. One person one vote.
baseline bum
04-20-2016, 12:59 PM
Actually, the Bernie or Trump paradox/ phenomenon has been documented for months now. Why? Both are against the devastating and retardedly destructive free trade agreements as well as tax loopholes, both are for campaign finance reform (which equally affects both parties), both are against perpetual warfare. And on a sidenote, neither candidate has a super PAC and or has been clearly and obviously bought this election like literally every other candidate, especially Shillary.
These are the biggest issues facing the country, everything else is way way way less important.
Of course, if youre one of those party liner people who actually believe Hillary isnt a moderate republican whos liberal on some social issues as of yestrday, you might find the thought of voting Trump repulsive. Dont really care though since Im an independent
You're giving Trump way too much credit using his name in the same sentence with Sanders'. You haven't heard him constantly talk about bombing ISIS? How is he not a war hawk? Or how about how butthurt he was about Apple and how they should have to comply with the court order? His tax plan is a huge gift to the rich again just like Bush's.
You're giving Trump way too much credit using his name in the same sentence with Sanders'. You haven't heard him constantly talk about bombing ISIS? How is he not a war hawk? Or how about how butthurt he was about Apple and how they should have to comply with the court order? His tax plan is a huge gift to the rich again just like Bush's.
Bernie's going to bomb ISIS too, let's be honest about it. that's world politics, and there's no way anyone will be elected and supported as president unless they do so. Bernie and Trump will most likely keep us out of all the other bullshit though, unlike Hillary and Cruz.
Like I said earlier though, voting for Trump feels nasty, just not as nasty as voting for Shillary. No super PAC, for sure against TPP and the other trade agreements. That's what brought me into the Bernie camp into the first place. Trump nor Hillary's message even compares to Bernie's, he's literally 10x the candidate she or he is, and everyone who voted for Hillary in the primaries/caucuses, especially registered democrats, should be fucking ashamed.
baseline bum
04-20-2016, 02:10 PM
Bernie's going to bomb ISIS too, let's be honest about it. that's world politics, and there's no way anyone will be elected and supported as president unless they do so. Bernie and Trump will most likely keep us out of all the other bullshit though, unlike Hillary and Cruz.
Like I said earlier though, voting for Trump feels nasty, just not as nasty as voting for Shillary. No super PAC, for sure against TPP and the other trade agreements. That's what brought me into the Bernie camp into the first place. Trump nor Hillary's message even compares to Bernie's, he's literally 10x the candidate she or he is, and everyone who voted for Hillary in the primaries/caucuses, especially registered democrats, should be fucking ashamed.
I'll vote for Clinton in the general since I don't want to give the teabagger house a president who is going to sign all their retarded shit, which Cruz will do since he aligns almost exactly with them and which Trump will do under pressure from his party and since he aligns a lot with them on taxes. I really don't like Clinton or her piece of shit husband, but short of adopting a new constitution the two party system is here to stay and you gotta pick the less bad option.
Spurminator
04-20-2016, 02:15 PM
Trump and Sanders might both bomb ISIS, but Trump might also bomb China, Russia, Mexico, both Koreas just to be safe, and Austin. He appeals to the absolute worst things about people in this country.
Spurminator
04-20-2016, 02:21 PM
And I don't believe he's nearly as big a lunatic as he lets on, but my biggest problem with him is that he validates and empowers lunatics.
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