The one that got away: JaMychal Green [Archive]

SAGirl

03-09-2016, 09:29 PM

I really thought Ayers should have been waived and this guy would have helped last season. Consider all the minutes that went in the drain bc Tiago got injured and you needed to play and start Matt Bonner, when he was not shooting like he is this season, and needed minute s from Baynes at PF. There are at least a couple of games this guy might have swung our way. That was enough for a higher seeding.

I wasn't delusional projecting him to be a star or anything but he had solid roleplayer potential. Daye and Ayers were your guys to waive and this guy looked better than th from SL through preseason. Heck J.Green had a more dominant dleague stint that the one Ayers had b4 he was picked up by the Grizz.

Obi Juan Kenobi

03-09-2016, 09:30 PM

TheGreatYacht

03-09-2016, 09:34 PM

Nothing but ashes by now, but I made his church thread..

Fuck Matt Bonner and any vanilla fan who love em

littlecoyotecoin

03-09-2016, 09:40 PM

Putting up numbers in a 20 point loss, tbh. Green showed signs, but even with his improvement he wouldn't crack the Spurs rotation. He's just another of a long line of guys who can't make it as Spurs who can play for bad teams.

I'm pretty sure he could have played for us, given that I'm pretty sure we offered him a contract and he turned it down.

Solid D

03-09-2016, 09:42 PM

If Green is one of the select few to make it into the NBA and stick around a while, then I'll be super happy for him.

RD2191

03-09-2016, 09:43 PM

sasaint

03-09-2016, 09:43 PM

I'm pretty sure he could have played for us, given that I'm pretty sure we offered him a contract and he turned it down.

I liked him a lot, and I wanted us to keep him. But Scola was the one that got away, tbh.

sasaint

03-09-2016, 09:44 PM

Jeff Ayres played for us.

:lmao

Mel_13

03-09-2016, 09:44 PM

I'm pretty sure he could have played for us, given that I'm pretty sure we offered him a contract and he turned it down.

This.

Bonner had nothing to do with it. It was all about maximizing cap space to pursue a max free agent. Green wanted guaranteed money for 2015-16. The Spurs wouldn't give that to him. Memphis did.

Obstructed_View

03-09-2016, 09:45 PM

I'm pretty sure he could have played for us, given that I'm pretty sure we offered him a contract and he turned it down.

Without a couple of pieces of evidence, I'm gonna call bullshit on that. The Spurs had a loaded roster and he didn't make the cut. The chances he was given he did little to show that he was anything more than a big athletic frame.

littlecoyotecoin

03-09-2016, 09:50 PM

Obstructed_View

03-09-2016, 09:52 PM

Jeff Ayres played for us.

True. When they were on the same summer league team, Ayres was better, and that only got him the 15th spot on the roster.

Obstructed_View

03-09-2016, 09:55 PM

Nonetheless.
Looked it up. He got a 10 day contract and played a few games. He didn't stick. You're partially right that they did offer him a contract. I think he took Daye's spot.

SAGirl

03-09-2016, 09:56 PM

This.

Bonner had nothing to do with it. It was all about maximizing cap space to pursue a max free agent. Green wanted guaranteed money for 2015-16. The Spurs wouldn't give that to him. Memphis did.
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This is the reason he's not here. It wasn't at all that he wasn't wanted, or that he couldn't play like other points out.

I am happy for him that even though he's on another team, his time and effort through Austin served him well. :tu. He did well to persevere and get his contract. He also got his chance to show his game. Time on the Spurs was available last season bc of the Tiago injury and Ayers being such a poor option, but this season it's cramped.

Kawhitstorm

03-09-2016, 09:57 PM

Bonner had nothing to do with it. It was all about maximizing cap space to pursue a max free agent. Green wanted guaranteed money for 2015-16. The Spurs wouldn't give that to him. Memphis did.

I'm aware of that but FUCK BONNER!:bang

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littlecoyotecoin

03-09-2016, 10:00 PM

Looked it up. He got a 10 day contract and played a few games. He didn't stick. You're partially right that they did offer him a contract. I think he took Daye's spot.

Well, not that it matters, but that's being fully right. Not partially. He could have played here. He was offered a full contract after his ten day, and he balked at it. He chose not to play here, but could have. Was asked to.

Beaverfuzz

03-09-2016, 10:04 PM

Dude is killing it for my fantasy team. 46 points two days ago and 35 tonight? SA-WEET!

exstatic

03-09-2016, 10:07 PM

Well, not that it matters, but that's being fully right. Not partially. He could have played here. He was offered a full contract after his ten day, and he balked at it. He chose not to play here, but could have. Was asked to.

Being offered a contract =/= being offered PT. The money was the same, so he picked the bad team in order to play.

DPG21920

03-09-2016, 10:14 PM

He's doing well - I don't get the narrative that he's a scrub putting up numbers on a bad team. They are a playoff team. In the West. I guess if you are a Spurs fan, everyone other team sucks? Most teams it's a big deal to be a playoff team for several years in a row.

littlecoyotecoin

03-09-2016, 10:15 PM

Being offered a contract =/= being offered PT. The money was the same, so he picked the bad team in order to play.

Sure. I'll take the loss. Semantics. He could have sat the bench for all 82 games and the playoffs. If that's what you believe would have happened. Otherwise, even if he clocks in once, he would have "played". But, this is not the sort of conversation that I wanted to be in. Pretty bushed. So, what we''ve established is that I'm wrong. Green was offered a full contract to not play. Got it.

phxspurfan

03-09-2016, 10:48 PM

The league/dleague is filled with Spurs washouts, what's your point

Alonzo Gee
Garrett Temple
CoJo
Beno
Errors
Steve Novak
Nazr Mohammed

to name a few. Who cares they all suck

Obstructed_View

03-09-2016, 10:53 PM

Well, not that it matters, but that's being fully right. Not partially. He could have played here. He was offered a full contract after his ten day, and he balked at it. He chose not to play here, but could have. Was asked to.

Actually, it does matter, and you weren't right at all. I was just trying to be nice. Doubt that's gonna happen again. In truth, they signed him to a 10 day, and then they waived him. Highly unlikely that he chose not to play with the Spurs and instead went to Austin.

Obstructed_View

03-09-2016, 10:55 PM

Being offered a contract =/= being offered PT. The money was the same, so he picked the bad team in order to play.

Good point. If there had been a choice he would have been wise to choose the Grizz for that reason, but he was on his way back to Austin when the Grizzlies signed him.

littlecoyotecoin

03-09-2016, 10:56 PM

Actually, it does matter, and you weren't right at all. I was just trying to be nice. Doubt that's gonna happen again. In truth, they signed him to a 10 day, and then they waived him. Highly unlikely that he chose not to play with the Spurs and instead went to Austin.

I am more than happy to have Mel_13 explain it to you while I sleep.

Chinook

03-09-2016, 11:37 PM

Being offered a contract =/= being offered PT. The money was the same, so he picked the bad team in order to play.

The money wasn't the same. He got his first two years guaranteed with Memphis. That wasn't going to happen with the Spurs.

Chinook

03-09-2016, 11:44 PM

Without a couple of pieces of evidence, I'm gonna call bullshit on that. The Spurs had a loaded roster and he didn't make the cut. The chances he was given he did little to show that he was anything more than a big athletic frame.

Looked it up. He got a 10 day contract and played a few games. He didn't stick. You're partially right that they did offer him a contract. I think he took Daye's spot.

LCC was actually completely correct in his interpretation.
Shams Charania ✔ ‎@ShamsCharania
After negotiating new terms on a deal, JaMychal Green and the Spurs couldn't reach agreement and will part, league sources tell RealGM.
2:29 PM - 27 Jan 2015

Shams Charania ✔ ‎@ShamsCharania
After negotiating new terms on a deal, JaMychal Green and the Spurs couldn't reach agreement and will part, league sources tell RealGM.
2:29 PM - 27 Jan 2015

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2015/1/27/7923605/spurs-and-jamychal-green-part-ways

DPG's post from the Green thread last year:

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Sportac's breakdown of Green's contract:

JaMychal Green signed a 3 year / $1,959,785 contract with the Memphis Grizzlies, including $979,354 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $653,262. In 2015-16, Green will earn a base salary of $845,059. Green has a cap hit of $845,059 while his dead money value is $845,059.

Seeing as the Spurs stashed their pick they were so keen to make space, there's very little reason to doubt that they rejected the idea of guaranteeing that second year.

The Spurs didn't reject him. He rejected their offer and got a better one from Memphis. He made about a million more dollars by NOT re-signing with the Spurs. And I assume that was something he and his agent were banking on when they turned SA down. And I wouldn't be surprised if that's why the team guaranteed Simmons' first year immediately.

AFMadison

03-10-2016, 01:22 AM

FUCKIN' BONNER!!!!!!!:bang
I'd rather have Bonner. Green is a locker room cancer.

SAGirl

03-10-2016, 02:55 AM

I'd rather have Bonner. Green is a locker room cancer.
Trolling? Curious.

Obstructed_View

03-10-2016, 03:29 AM

The money wasn't the same. He got his first two years guaranteed with Memphis. That wasn't going to happen with the Spurs.

Thanks for the longer answer, but that pretty much means that the Spurs said no thanks. Glad Green got a chance to stick somewhere, but it wasn't going to be in San Antonio.

ceperez

03-10-2016, 06:54 AM

Thanks for the longer answer, but that pretty much means that the Spurs said no thanks. Glad Green got a chance to stick somewhere, but it wasn't going to be in San Antonio.

Spurs had much bigger plans. That was to have a lot of cap room to negotiate for Aldridge.

Notice how Simmons was signed only after everyone else was signed. Spurs wanted that flexibility.

Spurs mistake of course was to call him up and not be able to deliver on the contract they wanted. The should have never called him up and hope other teams overlook his skills (like Simmons).

Texas_Ranger

03-10-2016, 06:56 AM

another player that got waived instead of Bonner...

MoSpur

03-10-2016, 07:03 AM

Green is turning into a solid player. Good for him. Guy has worked hard. Would love for him to be on the Spurs, but I doubt he is the reason the Spurs win or lose a championship.

littlecoyotecoin

03-10-2016, 09:27 AM

Thanks for the longer answer, but that pretty much means that the Spurs said no thanks. Glad Green got a chance to stick somewhere, but it wasn't going to be in San Antonio.

Yes. They said no thanks to guaranteeing him on a two year deal, which inevitably was his market value. Just like they said "no thanks" to Joseph for similar reasons. It didn't mean that they didn't want either player, or either player wasn't "good enough" to "play" for them, but they weren't in a position to pay market value based upon reserving cap space for Aldridge.

If he or Joseph would have accepted min deals, they would have both played. You being nice is just a transparent stick save. Trying to turn a loss into a draw, moving the goal posts, etc.

It's nothing personal. You can be mean or nice. Whatever. But, the notion that he wasn't good enough to play here has been squarely refuted by two other quality posters you also disregard, so there's not much point in me discussing it any further. The goal posts have already been moved to "He's not good enough to play here on a TWO YEAR GUARANTEED DEAL DURING THE SPURS PURSUIT OF A MAX FREE AGENT." That goal post doesn't seem worth arguing. But, it wasn't the original sentiment of your complaint about him.

buttsR4rebounding

03-10-2016, 09:43 AM

Maddog

03-10-2016, 10:35 AM

Technically it sounds like they both said no. Green to the contract offered by the Spurs, then the Spurs to the counter offer from Green. So everyone is right and we can join virtual hands and sing Kumbaya.

I don't anything good has ever come from adults joining hands and sing Kumbaya.

Just my opinion....

Cowboys_Wear_Spurs

03-10-2016, 11:10 AM

Putting up numbers in a 20 point loss, tbh. Green showed signs, but even with his improvement he wouldn't crack the Spurs rotation. He's just another of a long line of guys who can't make it as Spurs who can play for bad teams.

During Memphis winning streak, the guy was avg like 10 ppg and 7 rpg. in like 25-27 minutes per contest. Grizz are 8-4 w/ him in the starting lineup. Guy would have been a great player coming off the bench.

Like people mentioned, he probably felt he was done developing and went to the team that would give him more minutes to get in game experience. But don't kid yourself that the Spurs had to let people slip through the cracks b/c of Bonner. I like Bonner, but IMO, his time with the Spurs should be over after this year. It's time to bring on Bertans to replace his old nonathletic ass.

ceperez

03-10-2016, 12:23 PM

During Memphis winning streak, the guy was avg like 10 ppg and 7 rpg. in like 25-27 minutes per contest. Grizz are 8-4 w/ him in the starting lineup. Guy would have been a great player coming off the bench.

Like people mentioned, he probably felt he was done developing and went to the team that would give him more minutes to get in game experience. But don't kid yourself that the Spurs had to let people slip through the cracks b/c of Bonner. I like Bonner, but IMO, his time with the Spurs should be over after this year. It's time to bring on Bertans to replace his old nonathletic ass.

I don't think it was an issue with keeping Bonner or not. It was about guaranteeing more than a year's worth of contract. That was something the Spurs could not do.

Remember, Ayres was not signed. Bonner had to get a new contract. That contract was after everyone else was signed.

buttsR4rebounding

03-10-2016, 12:52 PM

I don't anything good has ever come from adults joining hands and sing Kumbaya.

Just my opinion....

...and stated so articulately.

Obstructed_View

03-10-2016, 01:34 PM

During Memphis winning streak, the guy was avg like 10 ppg and 7 rpg. in like 25-27 minutes per contest. Grizz are 8-4 w/ him in the starting lineup. Guy would have been a great player coming off the bench.

Like people mentioned, he probably felt he was done developing and went to the team that would give him more minutes to get in game experience. But don't kid yourself that the Spurs had to let people slip through the cracks b/c of Bonner. I like Bonner, but IMO, his time with the Spurs should be over after this year. It's time to bring on Bertans to replace his old nonathletic ass.

I didn't think Bonner was a factor, as he seems to have his name engraved into the roster. I don't like Bonner, but it never occurred to me that the front office would consider giving his spot to Green, as I'm sure it never occurred to them.

AFMadison

03-10-2016, 04:35 PM

Trolling? Curious.
Nah he played in my hometown. Guy is always getting into fights with players/coaches. It could be tolerated if he was a superstar but....

Kawhitstorm

03-11-2016, 11:15 PM

21/10 against Anthony Davis:bang

AFMadison

03-12-2016, 02:04 AM

21/10 against Anthony Davis:bang
Pop did a good thing by sending him on his way. Ryan Anderson guarded him for the majority of the game also.

Kawhitstorm

03-25-2016, 09:24 PM

:wakeup

K...

03-25-2016, 09:26 PM

abusing the turd towers. Shooting like it's his home court.

GSH

03-25-2016, 09:40 PM

Still not as bad as trading away Paul George.

PopTheGOAT

03-25-2016, 09:59 PM

Still not as bad as trading away Paul George.
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Agloco

03-25-2016, 10:00 PM

Still not as bad as trading away Paul George.

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Spurstalk inside joke.......

PopTheGOAT

03-25-2016, 10:04 PM

Spurstalk inside joke.......
Ah, I see

K...

03-25-2016, 10:09 PM

Ah, I see

paul george hill was a hell of a player until that freak accident split him into two players.

TheGreatYacht

03-25-2016, 10:11 PM

Fuck Matt Bonner

Keepin' it real

03-25-2016, 10:19 PM

The one that got away: Luis Scola

Fixed...

Kawhitstorm

12-11-2016, 11:44 AM

So far this season he has shat on Davis, Towns, Draymond & Julia :pctoss

:pop::flipoff

cd021

12-11-2016, 12:05 PM

The real one that got away was Rudy Gobert, one pick ahead of Kyle Anderson:depressed

Kawhitstorm

12-11-2016, 12:10 PM

The real one that got away was Rudy Gobert, one pick ahead of Kyle Anderson:depressed

That's forgivable since Gobert was already off the boards & Shitter was still on the roster. On the other hand, waiving JaMychal in favor of washed-up Bonner is inexcusable.

K...

12-11-2016, 12:32 PM

Haha, this thread will be gold next year when dedmon is earning dpoy. "Man I wish we had kept ayres"

TheGreatYacht

12-11-2016, 12:36 PM

Errors, Bonner, or Fathead should've been cut

Spurtacular

12-11-2016, 12:38 PM

JMG sucked when he played for the Spurs. But if anyone besides him should be blamed it should be Pop for not getting in his ear and telling him to be more assertive.

Spurtacular

12-11-2016, 12:39 PM

Spurs had much bigger plans. That was to have a lot of cap room to negotiate for Aldridge.

Notice how Simmons was signed only after everyone else was signed. Spurs wanted that flexibility.

Spurs mistake of course was to call him up and not be able to deliver on the contract they wanted. The should have never called him up and hope other teams overlook his skills (like Simmons).

Wouldn't have happened at the numbers he was putting up.

Spurtacular

12-11-2016, 12:40 PM

The real one that got away was Rudy Gobert, one pick ahead of Kyle Anderson:depressed

Corey Joseph over Jimmy Butler, tbh.

TheGreatYacht

12-11-2016, 12:41 PM

JMG sucked when he played for the Spurs. But if anyone besides him should be blamed it should be Pop for not getting in his ear and telling him to be more assertive.
Wtf are you talking about? He played a total of 25 minutes with the Spurs :lol

8pts, 6rebs, 2blks in that time :wakeup

DJR210

12-11-2016, 01:00 PM

paul george hill was a hell of a player until that freak accident split him into two players.

Drew Carlos Gooden also had one hell of an accident for his split

Kawhitstorm

12-11-2016, 01:01 PM

Wtf are you talking about? He played a total of 25 minutes with the Spurs :lol

8pts, 6rebs, 2blks in that time :wakeup

But he wasn't a token white ginger head stiff.:sleep: http://www.packersnews.com/videos/sports/2016/04/24/83464488/

:pop:: JaMychal Green would 'still be a Spur if we had the room':rolleyes

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Spurtacular

12-11-2016, 01:04 PM

Wtf are you talking about? He played a total of 25 minutes with the Spurs :lol

8pts, 6rebs, 2blks in that time :wakeup

All but those 3 rebounds were garbage time stats in a 23 point loss to Chicago. In his other three outings, he just stood in a corner as the team sucked.

SAGirl

12-11-2016, 01:29 PM

The real one that got away was Rudy Gobert, one pick ahead of Kyle Anderson:depressed
That mistake wasn't for Kyle. The guy they drafted that season was Livio JC.

TimDunkem

12-11-2016, 02:21 PM

Livio Jean-Charles LMAO :lol

r0drig0lac

12-11-2016, 02:37 PM

That's forgivable since Gobert was already off the boards & Shitter was still on the roster. On the other hand, waiving JaMychal in favor of washed-up Bonner is inexcusable.

cd021

12-11-2016, 03:46 PM

That mistake wasn't for Kyle. The guy they drafted that season was Livio JC.
Mixed up the draft, yikes that's much worse.

cd021

12-11-2016, 03:52 PM

Corey Joseph over Jimmy Butler, tbh.

To be fair Butler was supposed to a 3 and D type, not what he is now. Kawhi is a better player and younger so its not like the Spurs walked away with nothing.
Cojo turned out to be a very good NBA player. I remember Draft experts saying that the Spurs reached (some had him as a 2nd round, in the forties)

That was a very good draft
Irving
Thompson
Leonard
Kemba
Issiah Thomas
Jimmy Buttler
Jonas V.
Tristin Thompson

Spurtacular

12-11-2016, 08:22 PM

To be fair Butler was supposed to a 3 and D type, not what he is now. Kawhi is a better player and younger so its not like the Spurs walked away with nothing.
Cojo turned out to be a very good NBA player. I remember Draft experts saying that the Spurs reached (some had him as a 2nd round, in the forties)

That was a very good draft
Irving
Thompson
Leonard
Kemba
Issiah Thomas
Jimmy Buttler
Jonas V.
Tristin Thompson

TBH, Butler had already dropped about 14 spots under the projections; whereas, CoJo was projected to be a 2nd rounder. It was a bad pick even if CoJo was serviceable.

K...

12-11-2016, 08:31 PM

Livio Jean-Charles LMAO :lol

injury loss. IF he didn't blow a knee we've have seen him much sooner and he'd be freakish athlete. He was not a bad pick at the time.

rasuo214

12-11-2016, 08:33 PM

Could have drafted Kawhi, Jimmy Butler and Isaiah Thomas in the same draft. Jimmy and Isaiah were both taken a pick after the Spurs.

TimDunkem

12-11-2016, 08:46 PM

injury loss. IF he didn't blow a knee we've have seen him much sooner and he'd be freakish athlete. He was not a bad pick at the time.
Bad take. He was horribly outmatched even in the Summer League. Guys were pushing him around like he was a child.

Snaq O'Meal

12-11-2016, 08:55 PM

Bad take. He was horribly outmatched even in the Summer League. Guys were pushing him around like he was a child.

LJC had the best stats at the Nike Hoops Summit game among lottery talents. At the time of drafting, he looked like a steal.

Manufan909

12-12-2016, 12:15 AM

So far this season he has shat on Davis, Towns, Draymond & Julia :pctoss

:pop::flipoff

Julia?

Mal

12-12-2016, 08:52 AM

Julia?

Probably Randle

Manufan909

12-12-2016, 05:26 PM

Probably Randle

Thanks.

YGWHI

12-12-2016, 11:35 PM

Pop did a good thing by sending him on his way. Ryan Anderson guarded him for the majority of the game also.

I guess Memphis organization changed him a bit. This season he feels more comfortable, everyone knows that Fizdale is amazing with relationships with players. Also, a true motivator.

It's nice to see a player finding his place on a team, Green is doing it.