Last night's game from Parker was an example of how he needs to be that 3rd scorer

[midnightpulp]

in the lineup. Perfect balance among our 3 best scorers, and that's the kind of consistency we're going to need from those 3 moving into the post-season. The bench was absolute garbage, which is something that typically happens in the post-season (role players disappearing, vets getting gassed or banged up, young players shitting their pants, etc), and when games like this happen, LMA and Kawhi just won't be enough. If Parker had an "Enrique" game, we lose our first home game.

Duncan and Manu just aren't consistent enough as scorers any longer, and Mills remains a wild card (drops 15-18 points one night, goes 3-9 the next).

And if the bench comes alive (they've been dormant for like 2 weeks) again, we have a chance at winning this thing.

[hater]

Last night parker took a shit on spurstalk. slomo had to clean up the mess :lol


:lmao short bus

[dabom]

Patty Mills is more consistent than Porker though...

Your whole premise. :lmao

[dabom]

Porker going for 20 a night is a sure bomb getting ready to go off. :lmao

[hater]

Patty Mills is more consistent than Porker though...

Your whole premise. :lmao

Did you brush your teeth after Parker incrusted a turd in your mouth? :lmao

[dabom]

Was about to lose his starting job to a Fossil and decided to come back and play. :lmao

[dabom]

2015-16 Real Plus-Minus - Point Guards




RK
NAME
TEAM
GP
MPG
ORPM (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/ORPM/position/1)
DRPM (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/1)
RPM (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/1)
WINS (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/WINS/position/1)


1
Stephen Curry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry)
GS
60
34.0
8.65
1.47
10.12
17.02


2
Russell Westbrook (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3468/russell-westbrook)
OKC
64
34.7
7.73
1.38
9.11
16.33


3
Chris Paul (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2779/chris-paul)
LAC
58
33.3
6.18
1.42
7.60
12.21


4
Kyle Lowry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3012/kyle-lowry)
TOR
62
37.1
5.52
1.84
7.36
13.62


5
Ricky Rubio (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4011/ricky-rubio)
MIN
59
30.5
2.21
2.24
4.45
7.92


6
John Wall (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4237/john-wall)
WSH
63
35.9
2.94
0.70
3.64
9.36


7
Kemba Walker (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6479/kemba-walker)
CHA
62
36.1
2.37
0.65
3.02
8.05


8
Eric Bledsoe (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4238/eric-bledsoe)
PHX
31
34.2
1.87
1.03
2.90
4.14


9
Reggie Jackson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6443/reggie-jackson)
DET
63
30.9
4.60
-1.75
2.85
6.83


10
Mike Conley (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3195/mike-conley)
MEM
56
31.4
3.51
-1.10
2.41
5.57


11
Damian Lillard (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6606/damian-lillard)
POR
58
36.1
4.98
-2.71
2.27
6.69


12
Dennis Schroder (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3032979/dennis-schroder)
ATL
63
20.8
1.90
-0.02
1.88
3.84


13
Patty Mills (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4004/patty-mills)
SA
65
20.5
2.23
-0.38
1.85
3.84


14
Isaiah Thomas (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6472/isaiah-thomas)
BOS
65
32.4
3.48
-1.90
1.58
6.13


15
Goran Dragic (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3423/goran-dragic)
MIA
55
32.8
0.74
0.79
1.53
4.80


16
Jrue Holiday (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3995/jrue-holiday)
NO
57
27.3
2.62
-1.13
1.49
4.13


17
Marcus Smart (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2990992/marcus-smart)
BOS
44
27.1
-0.20
1.64
1.44
3.32


18
Matthew Dellavedova (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2489716/matthew-dellavedova)
CLE
58
25.8
1.46
-0.23
1.23
3.67


19
Patrick Beverley (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3964/patrick-beverley)
HOU
53
27.6
-0.06
0.88
0.82
3.30


20
Rajon Rondo (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3026/rajon-rondo)
SAC
60
35.4
0.53
0.20
0.73
4.99


21
Tony Parker (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1015/tony-parker)
SA
59
27.2
1.08
-0.64
0.44
3.28




Porker below Patty. :lmao

[dabom]

Last playoffs. :lmao

2014. :lmao

[dabom]

2013. :lmao

[dabom]

Paid 3 mil a year to play 25 minutes and outperform his counterpart. :lmao

[Silver&Black]

Your "Free dabom" thread had 7 posts in it....:lmao

[dabom]

Your "Free dabom" thread had 7 posts in it....:lmao

Most of ST must agree with me if they didn't go and "talk shit". :lmao

[dabom]

Your "Free dabom" thread had 7 posts in it....:lmao

Faggot. :lmao

[midnightpulp]

Patty Mills is more consistent than Porker though...

Your whole premise. :lmao

Patty "Can't finish a layup" Mills. Yeah, okay.

He fits his role nicely off the bench as this team's Eddie House, but that's it.

I don't know why you're still on board the anti-Parker train. Your masters Apa and FKLA have admitted long ago that this team needs him if we want to make a run.

Advocating Tony is the new "contrarian." Keep up with the trends, bro.

[Silver&Black]

Most of ST must agree with me if they didn't go and "talk shit". :lmao

No....it means nobody gives a fuck about you.

[dabom]

No....it means nobody gives a fuck about you.

sorry brah. :lmao

[dabom]

Patty "Can't finish a layup" Mills. Yeah, okay.

He fits his role nicely off the bench as this team's Eddie House, but that's it.

I don't know why you're still on board the anti-Parker train. Your masters Apa and FKLA have admitted long ago that this team needs him if we want to make a run.

Advocating Tony is the new "contrarian." Keep up with the trends, bro.

You mean Porker can't finish a layup? He can't even finish 2 on 1's or 1 on 1 fast breaks even when he is ahead. :lmao

Poster can't back it up so he talks shit. :lmao

Low IQ faggot. :lmao

[midnightpulp]

2015-16 Real Plus-Minus - Point Guards




RK
NAME
TEAM
GP
MPG
ORPM (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/ORPM/position/1)
DRPM (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/1)
RPM (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/1)
WINS (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/WINS/position/1)


1
Stephen Curry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry)
GS
60
34.0
8.65
1.47
10.12
17.02


2
Russell Westbrook (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3468/russell-westbrook)
OKC
64
34.7
7.73
1.38
9.11
16.33


3
Chris Paul (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2779/chris-paul)
LAC
58
33.3
6.18
1.42
7.60
12.21


4
Kyle Lowry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3012/kyle-lowry)
TOR
62
37.1
5.52
1.84
7.36
13.62


5
Ricky Rubio (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4011/ricky-rubio)
MIN
59
30.5
2.21
2.24
4.45
7.92


6
John Wall (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4237/john-wall)
WSH
63
35.9
2.94
0.70
3.64
9.36


7
Kemba Walker (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6479/kemba-walker)
CHA
62
36.1
2.37
0.65
3.02
8.05


8
Eric Bledsoe (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4238/eric-bledsoe)
PHX
31
34.2
1.87
1.03
2.90
4.14


9
Reggie Jackson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6443/reggie-jackson)
DET
63
30.9
4.60
-1.75
2.85
6.83


10
Mike Conley (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3195/mike-conley)
MEM
56
31.4
3.51
-1.10
2.41
5.57


11
Damian Lillard (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6606/damian-lillard)
POR
58
36.1
4.98
-2.71
2.27
6.69


12
Dennis Schroder (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3032979/dennis-schroder)
ATL
63
20.8
1.90
-0.02
1.88
3.84


13
Patty Mills (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4004/patty-mills)
SA
65
20.5
2.23
-0.38
1.85
3.84


14
Isaiah Thomas (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6472/isaiah-thomas)
BOS
65
32.4
3.48
-1.90
1.58
6.13


15
Goran Dragic (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3423/goran-dragic)
MIA
55
32.8
0.74
0.79
1.53
4.80


16
Jrue Holiday (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3995/jrue-holiday)
NO
57
27.3
2.62
-1.13
1.49
4.13


17
Marcus Smart (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2990992/marcus-smart)
BOS
44
27.1
-0.20
1.64
1.44
3.32


18
Matthew Dellavedova (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2489716/matthew-dellavedova)
CLE
58
25.8
1.46
-0.23
1.23
3.67


19
Patrick Beverley (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3964/patrick-beverley)
HOU
53
27.6
-0.06
0.88
0.82
3.30


20
Rajon Rondo (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3026/rajon-rondo)
SAC
60
35.4
0.53
0.20
0.73
4.99


21
Tony Parker (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1015/tony-parker)
SA
59
27.2
1.08
-0.64
0.44
3.28




Porker below Patty. :lmao

:lol Not knowing how those stats work.

You realize Patty faces second unit scrub PGs for the majority of his minutes, don't you?

:lol Going off on the Marcelo Huertas and Phil Presseys of the league

[dabom]

:lol Not knowing how those stats work.

You realize Patty faces second unit scrub PGs for the majority of his minutes, don't you?

:lol Going off on the Marcelo Huertas and Phil Presseys of the league

RPM is adjusted for all players faggot. :lmao

that includes playing against inferior players. :lmao

And Patty doesn't just play vs bench players. :lmao

[dabom]

Does this guy even watch basketball? All his points are getting destroyed. :lmao

[dabom]

Porker was the WORST player in the Playoffs last year. No debating. :lmao

[midnightpulp]

You mean Porker can't finish a layup? He can't even finish 2 on 1's or 1 on 1 fast breaks even when he is ahead. :lmao

Poster can't back it up so he talks shit. :lmao

Low IQ faggot. :lmao

Drives:

Patty House: 0.2-0.4 for 51.7%. Patty doesn't even average half a drive attempt per game, that's how afraid he is of penetrating, since he knows he's shit at it.

Tony Parker: 1.9-3.7 for 51.8%.

You can stop digging now.

[hater]

To be fair Huertas is a pretty bad ass PG. If he was on the Spurs, Mills would be hunting kangaroo back in his homeland

[dabom]

tony porker TS% playoffs


2012-13 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01/gamelog/2013/)
30
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2013.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2013.html)
PG
21
765
21.5
.521
.085
.307
2.2
7.8
5.1
34.6
1.7
0.3
11.3
28.9

1.7
0.8
2.4
.152

3.6
-0.8
2.8
0.9


2013-14 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01/gamelog/2014/) ❍
31
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2014.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2014.html)
PG
23
719
15.8
.531
.101
.202
0.8
6.4
3.7
26.1
1.1
0.2
14.1
28.3

0.3
0.7
1.1
.071

0.0
-1.3
-1.2
0.1


2014-15 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01/gamelog/2015/)
32
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2015.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015.html)
PG
7
210
6.5
.386
.099
.187
2.0
10.0
5.8
18.9
0.5
0.0
10.0
23.4

-0.4
0.1
-0.3
-0.067

-6.2
-0.3
-6.5
-0.2




Patty Mills playoffs



2012-13 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa02/gamelog/2013/)
24
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2013.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2013.html)
PG
9
31
13.5
.600
.700
.000
3.8
7.2
5.5
10.6
0.0
0.0
9.1
16.8

0.1
0.0
0.1
.119

3.0
-3.3
-0.3
0.0


2013-14 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa02/gamelog/2014/) ❍
25
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2014.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2014.html)
PG
23
351
16.2
.573
.560
.092
1.0
10.4
5.8
14.6
2.5
0.2
8.7
21.3

0.5
0.5
1.1
.146

3.6
0.2
3.8
0.5


2014-15 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa02/gamelog/2015/)
26
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2015.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015.html)
PG
7
112
23.4
.744
.667
.310
3.7
14.8
9.1
11.9
0.9
0.0
9.5
21.1

0.5
0.1
0.6
.262

7.4
-0.7
6.8
0.2


Patty Mills knows he needs to space the floor with 3's and long 2's faggot. :lmao

He is a better player for the team there. :lmao

Too bad Tony shot ZERO percent from 3 last playoffs. :lmao

[midnightpulp]

RPM is adjusted for all players faggot. :lmao

that includes playing against inferior players. :lmao

And Patty doesn't just play vs bench players. :lmao

And it's always going to skew the results of low usage/low minutes bench players. I mean, RPM has Marcelo Huertas over players like Jordan Clarkson, D'Angelo Russell, and Zach LaVine. :lol I hope the league GMs take RPM as gospel and lure Marcelo with a sizable contract. I also think Simmons moved into top ten among SGs in RPM a couple of times this year :lol

The majority of Patty House's minutes come against bench players. And yes, I do know it "adjusts," but lighting up scrubs is still going to give a player a nice RPM. That's what you don't understand, per par.

[SpursBig3s]

Agreed OP, Parker had a good game last night, and that's the type of TP we'll need in the playoffs. Can he do it consistently is the question. It's unlikely he can, but honestly we'll only need him to do it consistently against the Dubs and in the finals. We'll coast thru our 1st round, and honestly OKC doesn't scare me since we'll have home court.

I also thought it was a smart move on Pop to put Kawhi on Rose and keep Parker's legs fresh on offense.

[dabom]

And it's always going to skew the results of low usage/low minutes bench players. I mean, RPM has Marcelo Huertas over players like Jordan Clarkson, D'Angelo Russell, and Zach LaVine. :lol I hope the league GMs take RPM as gospel and lure Marcelo with a sizable contract. I also think Simmons moved into top ten among SGs in RPM a couple of times this year :lol

The majority of Patty House's minutes come against bench players. And yes, I do know it "adjusts," but lighting up scrubs is still going to give a player a nice RPM. That's what you don't understand, per par.

Insinuating Patty is a 1 hit wonder. :lmao

He has been doing it his whole career. :lmao

[midnightpulp]

Insinuating Patty is a 1 hit wonder. :lmao

He has been doing it his whole career. :lmao

He's by no means a one hit wonder. He's great in his role as a sparkplug off the bench. Wanting to destroy the PG depth and that Parker/Mills dynamic out of petty hate is retarded. Patty being able to light up scrub PGs is a big reason why our bench is as dangerous as it is.

Time to calm the Parker hate, bro. It's an antiquated mentality around here.

[dabom]

He's by no means a one hit wonder. He's great in his role as a sparkplug off the bench. Wanting to destroy the PG depth and that Parker/Mills dynamic out of petty hate is retarded. Patty being able to light up scrub PGs is a big reason why our bench is as dangerous as it is.

Time to calm the Parker hate, bro. It's an antiquated mentality around here.

I call it how I see it. No agenda. Spurs fan through and through. What you are saying is not gonna work. I thought you would know by now.

[dabom]

Kawhi and LMA are gonna feed. Those 2 will be our one two punch.

3rd leading scorer will be by committee. Some nights it will be Duncan or Manu or Patty or Green or Tony.

[dabom]

That's like after Manu had a throwback game and I said he should be our 3rd leading scorer on demand. Not gonna work like that.

[dabom]

I just find your premise outdated brah. Maybe next time. :td

[midnightpulp]

I call it how I see it. No agenda. Spurs fan through and through. What you are saying is not gonna work. I thought you would know by now.

And Patty/40 year old Andre Miller is going to work? Yeah, okay.

Like it or not, we have no other alternative and have to roll the dice on Tony. You must have not been following the Spurs for very long. EVERY run (aside from the team play anomaly of 2014) since '03 has came down to whether or not Tony plays well (yeah, Speedy bailing him out, but we don't beat the Lakers without him). Wanting Tony phased out/limited kills the team's PG depth.

Patty also can't pressure defenses like Tony though dribbling, probing, and penetrating. He's not the passer Tony is. He doesn't run the offense like Tony. Patty is the typical "spark plug" player in the mold of Eddie House, Bobby Jackson, and the like. I might have agreed with you if Manu was 30 (the Spurs can get away with limiting a poorly playing Tony when Manu is on), but he isn't.

[dabom]

No one is saying get rid of Tony dude. He just has to have a smaller role than usual. The team doesn't revolve around him anymore. That is done. No more. Pooof.

[houston spurs fan]

in the lineup. Perfect balance among our 3 best scorers, and that's the kind of consistency we're going to need from those 3 moving into the post-season. The bench was absolute garbage, which is something that typically happens in the post-season (role players disappearing, vets getting gassed or banged up, young players shitting their pants, etc), and when games like this happen, LMA and Kawhi just won't be enough. If Parker had an "Enrique" game, we lose our first home game.

Duncan and Manu just aren't consistent enough as scorers any longer, and Mills remains a wild card (drops 15-18 points one night, goes 3-9 the next).

And if the bench comes alive (they've been dormant for like 2 weeks) again, we have a chance at winning this thing.
Good take man. Have to have balance and TP playing at a high level if we're going to have a shot to ring...Great win overall last night, need to keep it consistent and Pop needs to control TP's minutes so he's fresh going in...

[SouthernFried]

Duncan and Manu just aren't consistent enough as scorers any longer, and Mills remains a wild card (drops 15-18 points one night, goes 3-9 the next).



That's the thing...Parker has been just as much a wild card as Mills. But, with Parker, it seems more of an emotional/attitude thing than a skill thing. I think Parker went off because of how well Andre did the previous game...it was an "attitude" adjustment kinda thing. Mills is just Mills, he'll play hard every night, but just not as skilled as Parker. Parker...who the f knows why some nights he'll play hard and some nights he wont. Toe's aside...

Having said that, we need Parker to play well. He can be awesome, like last night. We need Manu and Timmy to play well too. Just one more time...;)

[midnightpulp]

Kawhi and LMA are gonna feed. Those 2 will be our one two punch.

3rd leading scorer will be by committee. Some nights it will be Duncan or Manu or Patty or Green or Tony.

The PPG and usage stats disagree with you.

And of course on "some nights" those players will score more than Tony or even LMA and Kawhi, but that doesn't mean Pop designs it that way. If he did design the offense for the 3rd leading scorer to be by "committee," then their PPG and usages would be closer. Maybe in other years when Duncan and Manu were more consistent, but it seems you haven't been watching how awful both have looked on offense lately.

Sorry brah. The outdated premise is thinking "Beautiful Basketball" is going work like it once did. Manu and Tim are two years older, and the top teams in the league have studied that 2014 beatdown of Miami and the Spurs system like literature majors study Shakespeare.

[dabom]

Insinuating I want this team to play like 2014. :lol

Dude just stop. That's when you know you got shit. :lol

[SouthernFried]

Sorry brah. The outdated premise is thinking "Beautiful Basketball" is going work like it once did. Manu and Tim are two years older, and the top teams in the league have studied that 2014 beatdown of Miami and the Spurs system like literature majors study Shakespeare.

Wow...that was pretty good. :)

[hater]

That's the thing...Parker has been just as much a wild card as Mills. But, with Parker, it seems more of an emotional/attitude thing than a skill thing. I think Parker went off because of how well Andre did the previous game...it was an "attitude" adjustment kinda thing. Mills is just Mills, he'll play hard every night, but just not as skilled as Parker. Parker...who the f knows why some nights he'll play hard and some nights he wont. Toe's aside...

Having said that, we need Parker to play well. He can be awesome, like last night. We need Manu and Timmy to play well too. Just one more time...;)


:lol wait so Parker did well because he's worried the 40 year old 3rd string PG had a good previous night???

Come on now. Parker just took the team on his back because we stunk the previous game he played.

Just being the head of the snak that's all

[ElNono]

He looked rested... hope Pop continues to rest him here or there... that game and a half off looked like it did pretty good to him... he didn't even look like he gained weight...

[midnightpulp]

No one is saying get rid of Tony dude. He just has to have a smaller role than usual. The team doesn't revolve around him anymore. That is done. No more. Pooof.

It never revolved around him aside from that brief 09-11 period. if anything, I'm advocating a return to Tony's natural "3rd wheel" role he had in the title years pre-2014.

Knowing Parker's inconsistency, I would love if we had another wing/guard that could be that 3rd 15-18ppg guy consistently, a player that opponents gameplan for, but we don't (unless Manu or Tim have a resurgence, which is highly doubtful).

[dabom]

You keep saying we need this 3rd consistent scorer. We just need Tony to not be a fucking shit bag like 2014 and we lost in the last play to a ref mistake game 7 while green splitter were also shit bags and kawhi having subpar last 3 games, Manu not playing good.

You basically have to have 5 rotation players playing F game for the Spurs to lose. I don't expect that every year faggot. :lmao

[dabom]

If Tony was not going game 6 manu 2013 for like 6 games we win easy. :lmao

[will_spurs]

I would love if we had another wing/guard that could be that 3rd 15-18ppg guy consistently, a player that opponents gameplan for, but we don't (unless Manu or Tim have a resurgence, which is highly doubtful).

Manu hasn't been a 15-18ppg scorer (consistently, not one game here and there) for 5 years already. Duncan, 2 years. That ship has sailed.
Tony is taking way fewer shots then he used to, he's the most efficient he's ever been in terms of % but his scoring has dropped by 4ppg.

Patty isn't back to the level he had 2 years ago yet (his % dropped, in particular) but he's getting there. Diaw's numbers haven't fallen as much as one would think. It's just the rest of the bench which is highly inconsistent.

[midnightpulp]

Insinuating I want this team to play like 2014. :lol

Dude just stop. That's when you know you got shit. :lol

Then who is the 3rd scorer here?

Name one player other LMA, Kawhi, or Tony to have back-to-back 20 point games this season? I don't care that Patty or Manu can drop 20 once every 15-20 games. To win a title, we're going to need a 3rd guy who is a threat to score that every night. Don't misconstrue that as me wanting Pop "planning for Tony" to have a certain number of shots, but opposing teams should worry about him to the point where they have to gameplan for him. Gameplanning for 3 players is a lot harder than gameplanning for 2.

[dabom]

We have the most consistent bench in the league...

[pgardn]

That was fast Parker.


If the crew can't see it tough luck.
We need that Parker.

[dabom]

Then who is the 3rd scorer here?

Name one player other LMA, Kawhi, or Tony to have back-to-back 20 point games this season? I don't care that Patty or Manu can drop 20 once every 15-20 games. To win a title, we're going to need a 3rd guy who is a threat to score that every night. Don't misconstrue that as me wanting Pop "planning for Tony" to have a certain number of shots, but opposing teams should worry about him to the point where they have to gameplan for him. Gameplanning for 3 players is a lot harder than gameplanning for 2.

All our players are deadly. Not just 2.

[dabom]

That was fast Parker.


If the crew can't see it tough luck.
We need that Parker.

We also need 2005 Manu.

We need that Manu.

You see how it doesn't make sense?

[dabom]

I'm done with this thread. too many Low IQ posters especially OP. :lmao

[midnightpulp]

If Tony was not going game 6 manu 2013 for like 6 games we win easy. :lmao

Move on from last year, brah. I even made a thread right after that game 7 indicting Tony's performance as the worst in NBA history.

And yeah, him not playing like shitbag is good enough to beat the Jazz, Rockets, or whoever we get in the 1st round. Probably good enough to beat the Thunder. The Warriors, however, are a different story. We need LMA, Kawhi, and Tony to score like they did tonight, along with the bench not playing like ass.

[pgardn]

We also need 2005 Manu.

We need that Manu.

You see how it doesn't make sense?

Your are an idiot.
We could use a younger Tony as well. He is 33. But he is still a threat to penetrate and give us options outside of post ups and the LMA jump shot.

We must have the option of breaking down a defense.
If you can't see this you can't be helped.
Kwahi is not Lebron. He can't run a threatening penetrating set offense. You just don't get basketball, you never have shown any inclination towards understanding this game because you are a troll.

Just stop posting.

[ElNono]

The concern again is that he let the moore/galloway of the league to drop 20 on him... so his scoring at least offset that last night... but the assists were nice.

[midnightpulp]

All our players are deadly. Not just 2.

:lmao

Danny Green is shooting .380 from the field and can't even finish a 2 on 1 fast break.

Tim Duncan is averaging 4.3 points in his last 5 games.

Manu is averaging 5.3 points since his return, despite having a 22 point game.

Boris is still fat and seems disinterested.

West is indeed steady and efficient, but not someone who is going to go Robert Horry Game 5 at this stage in his career.

Mills is just "kind of" deadly, true to the Eddie House sparkplug style.

:lol All of the Spurs players are deadly.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Last night was the way Parker was playing the first couple of months in the season. Over the past month he was reverting back to the Old Parker. If he looks to pass before he shoots, the Spurs are unstoppable. But when he dribbles around looking to shot before the pass, the Spurs offense becomes stuck in the Mud.

[pgardn]

The concern again is that he let the moore/galloway of the league to drop 20 on him... so his scoring at least offset that last night... but the assists were nice.

The concern is that he can't even make the opposing PG work. Fast Tony can. We will thrash the Clippers of last year with the fast version.

I dont really care about him dropping 20 pts. I care about him being enough of a threat to displace defenses. If the scoring and assists follow directly, good deal. Eventually the opposition will feel the legs having to really concentrate on D instead of just waiting for a rebound outlet.

[Kool Bob Love]

2nd greatest spur of all time :flag:


http://youtu.be/3ArmI_rqiyM

[UZER]

33 year old Tony needs to facilitate first, then his threat level rises and the scoring comes. He sucks and the team suffers greatly when he's does it the other way around.

And he needs to facilitate with the new core. That TD TP pnr should not be his go to play call. Very rarely and in the right spots, sure, but he needs to let that one go.

[Mouth is Bleeding]

I don't think we played at a particular high level with him so ball-dominant in this game.

The simple counting stats often lie + his defense was god awful.

The sad truth is that we will struggle against the best teams if very ball-dominant Parker goes assist and basket whoring rather than running the system, give more room to the best players individually and all that at the expense of giving great effort on the defensive end.

Ball-dominant Tony Parker is one of the team's most dangerous pit-falls and hopefully a somewhat successful game like this, at least on the surface, won't encourage it further.

[EVAY]

There was a stat that I saw last night on Ptr after this site went down. Leonard was on track for another 25 point night, his 6th of the last 8 games, or 7th of the last 9 after last night, I guess.

Most 25 point games by a Spur since 2011:

Parker - 50

Leonard - 23 (including last night's)

Duncan - 21

The notable thing about all of this is that Tony has had a lot of big scoring nights. Last night he had 9 assists in the first half and did most of his scoring in the second half, ending with 12 assists.

Tony was rested last night. It showed.

He has been playing like he was in molasses.

Virtually everyone on here has said how much he needs to rest. It looks to me like he could use more rest more frequently, like is done for Tim and Manu. That may be why Miller is here.

This year he is playing third offensive threat behind Kawhi and LaMarcus. Less pressure on him to do all the scoring, but after he gets those guys going and the defense hones in on them, then the floor is opened up for guys like Parker and others.

He had a great game last night. Anyone who wants to diminish his contribution last night by focusing on what he has or hasn't done some other time, or what the offense against him did last night, is betraying a player-hatred agenda that is beneath a team fan. Overt or passive-aggressive, it's still hate.

[EVAY]

I don't think we played at a particular high level with him so ball-dominant in this game.

The simple counting stats often lie + his defense was god awful.

The sad truth is that we will struggle against the best teams if very ball-dominant Parker goes assist and basket whoring rather than running the system, give more room to the best players individually and all that at the expense of giving great effort on the defensive end.

Ball-dominant Tony Parker is one of the team's most dangerous pit-falls and hopefully a somewhat successful game like this, at least on the surface, won't encourage it further.


"Assist AND Basket whoring"? Seriously? You gonna fault him for dishing dimes and scoring when he is the pg of the team? Seriously?

[pgardn]

"Assist AND Basket whoring"? Seriously? You gonna fault him for dishing dimes and scoring when he is the pg of the team? Seriously?

If last nite was Assist and basket whoring, then that's what we need if that's what Bleeding Mouths want to label it.

[mookie2001]

^well yeah if he's looking out for himself first; The team's offensive potential is greater than Tony's Parkers

[Mouth is Bleeding]

^well yeah if he's looking out for himself first; The team's offensive potential is greater than Tony's Parkers

Indeed.

This game from Tony was a little bit too far into Rondo-territory where the focus on his assists and ball-dominance is at the expense of the team's overall level of play not least because Rondo/Tony with this self imposed burden on offence then can not or will not do anything worthwhile on the defensive end and give up as much or much more than what they selfishly create on the offense.

It looks much better on paper than what it really is.

[pgardn]

^well yeah if he's looking out for himself first; The team's offensive potential is greater than Tony's Parkers

If last nite was looking out for himself first I'll take that as well.

I have my definition of the ball hog bad shot fall down and not get back on D Parker. I saw very little of that last nite.

[pgardn]

Indeed.

This game from Tony was a little bit too far into Rondo-territory where the focus on his assists and ball-dominance is at the expense of the team's overall level of play not least because Rondo/Tony with this self imposed burden on offence can not or will not do anything worthwhile on the defensive end and give up as much or much more than what they selfishly create on the offense.

It looks much better on paper than what it really is.

F the stats.

He was fast. That's what I saw. If we can get that the rest will fall into place. He can't hog the ball in a whole series, he is too old now. I will take 30 min. of the fast we saw last nite.

[ElNono]

The concern is that he can't even make the opposing PG work. Fast Tony can. We will thrash the Clippers of last year with the fast version.

I dont really care about him dropping 20 pts. I care about him being enough of a threat to displace defenses. If the scoring and assists follow directly, good deal. Eventually the opposition will feel the legs having to really concentrate on D instead of just waiting for a rebound outlet.

I'd like that too, but it's been a few years since we've seen that with any consistency against top teams, and his D is only getting worse. That's why the Spurs have largely gone another route. We'll take any 20 pt game from the old guys though.

Frankly, if you're another team, daring Tony to beat you instead of Kawhi or LMA, it's probably a great deal... see Clippers last season...

[weeks]

I want to see him put together a string of good games .And no more fkng boo boos to get out of an embarrassing matchup

[SupremeGuy]

2015-16 Real Plus-Minus - Point Guards




RK
NAME
TEAM
GP
MPG
ORPM (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/ORPM/position/1)
DRPM (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/1)
RPM (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/1)
WINS (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/WINS/position/1)


1
Stephen Curry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry)
GS
60
34.0
8.65
1.47
10.12
17.02


2
Russell Westbrook (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3468/russell-westbrook)
OKC
64
34.7
7.73
1.38
9.11
16.33


3
Chris Paul (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2779/chris-paul)
LAC
58
33.3
6.18
1.42
7.60
12.21


4
Kyle Lowry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3012/kyle-lowry)
TOR
62
37.1
5.52
1.84
7.36
13.62


5
Ricky Rubio (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4011/ricky-rubio)
MIN
59
30.5
2.21
2.24
4.45
7.92


6
John Wall (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4237/john-wall)
WSH
63
35.9
2.94
0.70
3.64
9.36


7
Kemba Walker (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6479/kemba-walker)
CHA
62
36.1
2.37
0.65
3.02
8.05


8
Eric Bledsoe (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4238/eric-bledsoe)
PHX
31
34.2
1.87
1.03
2.90
4.14


9
Reggie Jackson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6443/reggie-jackson)
DET
63
30.9
4.60
-1.75
2.85
6.83


10
Mike Conley (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3195/mike-conley)
MEM
56
31.4
3.51
-1.10
2.41
5.57


11
Damian Lillard (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6606/damian-lillard)
POR
58
36.1
4.98
-2.71
2.27
6.69


12
Dennis Schroder (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3032979/dennis-schroder)
ATL
63
20.8
1.90
-0.02
1.88
3.84


13
Patty Mills (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4004/patty-mills)
SA
65
20.5
2.23
-0.38
1.85
3.84


14
Isaiah Thomas (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6472/isaiah-thomas)
BOS
65
32.4
3.48
-1.90
1.58
6.13


15
Goran Dragic (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3423/goran-dragic)
MIA
55
32.8
0.74
0.79
1.53
4.80


16
Jrue Holiday (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3995/jrue-holiday)
NO
57
27.3
2.62
-1.13
1.49
4.13


17
Marcus Smart (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2990992/marcus-smart)
BOS
44
27.1
-0.20
1.64
1.44
3.32


18
Matthew Dellavedova (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2489716/matthew-dellavedova)
CLE
58
25.8
1.46
-0.23
1.23
3.67


19
Patrick Beverley (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3964/patrick-beverley)
HOU
53
27.6
-0.06
0.88
0.82
3.30


20
Rajon Rondo (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3026/rajon-rondo)
SAC
60
35.4
0.53
0.20
0.73
4.99


21
Tony Parker (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1015/tony-parker)
SA
59
27.2
1.08
-0.64
0.44
3.28




Porker below Patty. :lmaoOh shit. :lol

[weeks]

I'd like that too, but it's been a few years since we've seen that with any consistency against top teams, and his D is only getting worse. That's why the Spurs have largely gone another route. We'll take any 20 pt game from the old guys though.

Frankly, if you're another team, daring Tony to beat you instead of Kawhi or LMA, it's probably a great deal... see Clippers last season...

Yo you got no room to talk about the clipper series, your client was missing

[weeks]

2015-16 Real Plus-Minus - Point Guards




RK
NAME
TEAM
GP
MPG
ORPM (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/ORPM/position/1)
DRPM (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/1)
RPM (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/1)
WINS (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/WINS/position/1)


1
Stephen Curry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry)
GS
60
34.0
8.65
1.47
10.12
17.02


2
Russell Westbrook (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3468/russell-westbrook)
OKC
64
34.7
7.73
1.38
9.11
16.33


3
Chris Paul (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2779/chris-paul)
LAC
58
33.3
6.18
1.42
7.60
12.21


4
Kyle Lowry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3012/kyle-lowry)
TOR
62
37.1
5.52
1.84
7.36
13.62


5
Ricky Rubio (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4011/ricky-rubio)
MIN
59
30.5
2.21
2.24
4.45
7.92


6
John Wall (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4237/john-wall)
WSH
63
35.9
2.94
0.70
3.64
9.36


7
Kemba Walker (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6479/kemba-walker)
CHA
62
36.1
2.37
0.65
3.02
8.05


8
Eric Bledsoe (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4238/eric-bledsoe)
PHX
31
34.2
1.87
1.03
2.90
4.14


9
Reggie Jackson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6443/reggie-jackson)
DET
63
30.9
4.60
-1.75
2.85
6.83


10
Mike Conley (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3195/mike-conley)
MEM
56
31.4
3.51
-1.10
2.41
5.57


11
Damian Lillard (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6606/damian-lillard)
POR
58
36.1
4.98
-2.71
2.27
6.69


12
Dennis Schroder (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3032979/dennis-schroder)
ATL
63
20.8
1.90
-0.02
1.88
3.84


13
Patty Mills (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4004/patty-mills)
SA
65
20.5
2.23
-0.38
1.85
3.84


14
Isaiah Thomas (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6472/isaiah-thomas)
BOS
65
32.4
3.48
-1.90
1.58
6.13


15
Goran Dragic (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3423/goran-dragic)
MIA
55
32.8
0.74
0.79
1.53
4.80


16
Jrue Holiday (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3995/jrue-holiday)
NO
57
27.3
2.62
-1.13
1.49
4.13


17
Marcus Smart (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2990992/marcus-smart)
BOS
44
27.1
-0.20
1.64
1.44
3.32


18
Matthew Dellavedova (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2489716/matthew-dellavedova)
CLE
58
25.8
1.46
-0.23
1.23
3.67


19
Patrick Beverley (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3964/patrick-beverley)
HOU
53
27.6
-0.06
0.88
0.82
3.30


20
Rajon Rondo (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3026/rajon-rondo)
SAC
60
35.4
0.53
0.20
0.73
4.99


21
Tony Parker (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1015/tony-parker)
SA
59
27.2
1.08
-0.64
0.44
3.28




Porker below Patty. :lmao

How the fuck did Lubio get fifth...list looks solid otherwise...?

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Your "Free dabom" thread had 7 posts in it....:lmao

[LongtimeSpursFan]

I'd like that too, but it's been a few years since we've seen that with any consistency against top teams, and his D is only getting worse. That's why the Spurs have largely gone another route. We'll take any 20 pt game from the old guys though.

Frankly, if you're another team, daring Tony to beat you instead of Kawhi or LMA, it's probably a great deal... see Clippers last season...

LMA wasn't around last year and Kawhi only showed in three games. Parker is too old to lead team but no one else stepped up.

[ElNono]

Yo you got no room to talk about the clipper series, your client was missing

El Cliente is old AND still posted a way better PER than TP and better than his matchup (Crawford)...

But yeah, we shouldn't be counting on him to bail the team out at this point, tbh

[pgardn]

I'd like that too, but it's been a few years since we've seen that with any consistency against top teams, and his D is only getting worse. That's why the Spurs have largely gone another route. We'll take any 20 pt game from the old guys though.

Frankly, if you're another team, daring Tony to beat you instead of Kawhi or LMA, it's probably a great deal... see Clippers last season...

Thats the slow version.

His D will not be as bad if he can make the opponent work. We have seen him use this on Chris Paul before. Last year he was slow and hurt us horribly on both ends.

What I'm reading from many is that he gets in a mental funk, becomes fat and slow, because he can't play anymore. What I think is happening are injuries, wear and tear. No way he is as good as before. But these 30 minutes of effective speed, we need this against the better PO teams.

[Drom John]

Usage:

25.6% Aldridge
25.3% Leonard
24.4% Ginobili
24.3% Marjanovic
21.4% Parker
19.5% Mills
18.7% Simmons
18.0% West
17.6% Duncan
16.8% Diaw
15.0% Anderson
14.6% Bonner
14.5% Green
11.3% Miller
05.0% Martin

Minutes
1971 Leonard
1817 Aldridge
1685 Green
1603 Parker
1330 Mills
1210 Duncan
1183 Diaw
1112 West
904 Anderson
901 Ginobili
672 Simmons
340 Marjanovic
130 Bonner
48 Miller
8 Martin

[pgardn]

How the fuck did Lubio get fifth...list looks solid otherwise...?

No it does not...using guards who play 20 minutes?

[ElNono]

LMA wasn't around last year and Kawhi only showed in three games. Parker is too old to lead team but no one else stepped up.

Patty stepped up, he single handedly extended that series with clutch shooting... Beli was pretty good too...
Somebody couldn't take advantage of an injured CP3 though...

Don't get me wrong, I want TP to do well in a different role... I think he's done as a consistent scorer and the team just has better options. He should still be a floor leader though...

[ElNono]

Thats the slow version.

His D will not be as bad if he can make the opponent work. We have seen him use this on Chris Paul before. Last year he was slow and hurt us horribly on both ends.

What I'm reading from many is that he gets in a mental funk, becomes fat and slow, because he can't play anymore. What I think is happening are injuries, wear and tear. No way he is as good as before. But these 30 minutes of effective speed, we need this against the better PO teams.

IMO that ship has sailed. Wish he would be a better playmaker, tbh... Or that his 3 ball was more consistent...

[RD2191]

2015-16 Real Plus-Minus - Point Guards




RK
NAME
TEAM
GP
MPG
ORPM (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/ORPM/position/1)
DRPM (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/1)
RPM (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/1)
WINS (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/WINS/position/1)


1
Stephen Curry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry)
GS
60
34.0
8.65
1.47
10.12
17.02


2
Russell Westbrook (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3468/russell-westbrook)
OKC
64
34.7
7.73
1.38
9.11
16.33


3
Chris Paul (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2779/chris-paul)
LAC
58
33.3
6.18
1.42
7.60
12.21


4
Kyle Lowry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3012/kyle-lowry)
TOR
62
37.1
5.52
1.84
7.36
13.62


5
Ricky Rubio (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4011/ricky-rubio)
MIN
59
30.5
2.21
2.24
4.45
7.92


6
John Wall (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4237/john-wall)
WSH
63
35.9
2.94
0.70
3.64
9.36


7
Kemba Walker (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6479/kemba-walker)
CHA
62
36.1
2.37
0.65
3.02
8.05


8
Eric Bledsoe (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4238/eric-bledsoe)
PHX
31
34.2
1.87
1.03
2.90
4.14


9
Reggie Jackson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6443/reggie-jackson)
DET
63
30.9
4.60
-1.75
2.85
6.83


10
Mike Conley (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3195/mike-conley)
MEM
56
31.4
3.51
-1.10
2.41
5.57


11
Damian Lillard (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6606/damian-lillard)
POR
58
36.1
4.98
-2.71
2.27
6.69


12
Dennis Schroder (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3032979/dennis-schroder)
ATL
63
20.8
1.90
-0.02
1.88
3.84


13
Patty Mills (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4004/patty-mills)
SA
65
20.5
2.23
-0.38
1.85
3.84


14
Isaiah Thomas (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6472/isaiah-thomas)
BOS
65
32.4
3.48
-1.90
1.58
6.13


15
Goran Dragic (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3423/goran-dragic)
MIA
55
32.8
0.74
0.79
1.53
4.80


16
Jrue Holiday (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3995/jrue-holiday)
NO
57
27.3
2.62
-1.13
1.49
4.13


17
Marcus Smart (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2990992/marcus-smart)
BOS
44
27.1
-0.20
1.64
1.44
3.32


18
Matthew Dellavedova (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2489716/matthew-dellavedova)
CLE
58
25.8
1.46
-0.23
1.23
3.67


19
Patrick Beverley (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3964/patrick-beverley)
HOU
53
27.6
-0.06
0.88
0.82
3.30


20
Rajon Rondo (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3026/rajon-rondo)
SAC
60
35.4
0.53
0.20
0.73
4.99


21
Tony Parker (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1015/tony-parker)
SA
59
27.2
1.08
-0.64
0.44
3.28




Porker below Patty. :lmao

Lmao. Shut it down. Let's go home!!

[pgardn]

I want to see him put together a string of good games .And no more fkng boo boos to get out of an embarrassing matchup

So he is faking?

Because boo boos for a 33 yo PG who relies on speed and acceleration is very difficult. This is not a Nash nor a Jason Kidd type point.

[pgardn]

IMO that ship has sailed. Wish he would be a better playmaker, tbh... Or that his 3 ball was more consistent...

Then what was that late streak last season and last nite. I saw fast, am I hallucinating?

[pgardn]

Lmao. Shut it down. Let's go home!!

Or just stop posting.

[RD2191]

LMA wasn't around last year and Kawhi only showed in three games. Parker is too old to lead team but no one else stepped up.

Are you saying Parker stepped up?

[RD2191]

Or just stop posting.
Yes, you really should.

[Drom John]

How the fuck did Lubio get fifth...list looks solid otherwise...?

Defense matters. Considering playing time Rubio drops to 7th, Mills to 17th, Parker to 23rd.

I'm in the both Parker and Mills camp. The only team whose second best PG has played better than Parker is Boston, with Thomas and Smart. Teague, worse than Parker, makes the Hawks the 3rd team with two PGs in the top 30.

[Arcadian]

For all the shit Parker gets, he's been good for a long time. So long, he's been a member of two different Big 3s, first with Duncan/Manu, now with Leonard/Aldridge.

[pgardn]

Yes, you really should.

Oh touché Robert you witty guy.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

2015-16 Real Plus-Minus - Point Guards




RK
NAME
TEAM
GP
MPG
ORPM (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/ORPM/position/1)
DRPM (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/1)
RPM (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/1)
WINS (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/WINS/position/1)


1
Stephen Curry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry)
GS
60
34.0
8.65
1.47
10.12
17.02


2
Russell Westbrook (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3468/russell-westbrook)
OKC
64
34.7
7.73
1.38
9.11
16.33


3
Chris Paul (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2779/chris-paul)
LAC
58
33.3
6.18
1.42
7.60
12.21


4
Kyle Lowry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3012/kyle-lowry)
TOR
62
37.1
5.52
1.84
7.36
13.62


5
Ricky Rubio (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4011/ricky-rubio)
MIN
59
30.5
2.21
2.24
4.45
7.92


6
John Wall (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4237/john-wall)
WSH
63
35.9
2.94
0.70
3.64
9.36


7
Kemba Walker (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6479/kemba-walker)
CHA
62
36.1
2.37
0.65
3.02
8.05


8
Eric Bledsoe (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4238/eric-bledsoe)
PHX
31
34.2
1.87
1.03
2.90
4.14


9
Reggie Jackson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6443/reggie-jackson)
DET
63
30.9
4.60
-1.75
2.85
6.83


10
Mike Conley (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3195/mike-conley)
MEM
56
31.4
3.51
-1.10
2.41
5.57


11
Damian Lillard (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6606/damian-lillard)
POR
58
36.1
4.98
-2.71
2.27
6.69


12
Dennis Schroder (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3032979/dennis-schroder)
ATL
63
20.8
1.90
-0.02
1.88
3.84


13
Patty Mills (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4004/patty-mills)
SA
65
20.5
2.23
-0.38
1.85
3.84


14
Isaiah Thomas (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6472/isaiah-thomas)
BOS
65
32.4
3.48
-1.90
1.58
6.13


15
Goran Dragic (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3423/goran-dragic)
MIA
55
32.8
0.74
0.79
1.53
4.80


16
Jrue Holiday (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3995/jrue-holiday)
NO
57
27.3
2.62
-1.13
1.49
4.13


17
Marcus Smart (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2990992/marcus-smart)
BOS
44
27.1
-0.20
1.64
1.44
3.32


18
Matthew Dellavedova (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2489716/matthew-dellavedova)
CLE
58
25.8
1.46
-0.23
1.23
3.67


19
Patrick Beverley (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3964/patrick-beverley)
HOU
53
27.6
-0.06
0.88
0.82
3.30


20
Rajon Rondo (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3026/rajon-rondo)
SAC
60
35.4
0.53
0.20
0.73
4.99


21
Tony Parker (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1015/tony-parker)
SA
59
27.2
1.08
-0.64
0.44
3.28




Porker below Patty. :lmao

How many on that list you'd be willing to take above Parker? Kemba? Rubio? Lowry? :lol

[$pursDynasty]

There was a stat that I saw last night on Ptr after this site went down. Leonard was on track for another 25 point night, his 6th of the last 8 games, or 7th of the last 9 after last night, I guess.

Most 25 point games by a Spur since 2011:

Parker - 50

Leonard - 23 (including last night's)

Duncan - 21

The notable thing about all of this is that Tony has had a lot of big scoring nights. Last night he had 9 assists in the first half and did most of his scoring in the second half, ending with 12 assists.

Tony was rested last night. It showed.

He has been playing like he was in molasses.

Virtually everyone on here has said how much he needs to rest. It looks to me like he could use more rest more frequently, like is done for Tim and Manu. That may be why Miller is here.

This year he is playing third offensive threat behind Kawhi and LaMarcus. Less pressure on him to do all the scoring, but after he gets those guys going and the defense hones in on them, then the floor is opened up for guys like Parker and others.

He had a great game last night. Anyone who wants to diminish his contribution last night by focusing on what he has or hasn't done some other time, or what the offense against him did last night, is betraying a player-hatred agenda that is beneath a team fan. Overt or passive-aggressive, it's still hate.
wow a sensible objective well thought out post, EVAY you do realize that you are posting on the ST forum?

[weeks]

El Cliente is old AND still posted a way better PER than TP and better than his matchup (Crawford)...

But yeah, we shouldn't be counting on him to bail the team out at this point, tbh

I'm with you, Manu is the heart of this team and I like him way more than tp on intangibles alone...
You think he'll go out with Duncan? No chance he stays without him, but if Timmy goes one more, you think batman will stay?

[ElNono]

How many on that list you'd be willing to take above Parker? Kemba? Rubio? Lowry? :lol

Would not take over Tony now: Rubio, Kemba, Reggie, Rondo, and possibly Beverly.

[ElNono]

I'm with you, Manu is the heart of this team and I like him way more than tp on intangibles alone...
You think he'll go out with Duncan? No chance he stays without him, but if Timmy goes one more, you think batman will stay?

I think he's going season to season... As long as the Spurs keep calling and he's not hurt, I suspect he'll stick around.

He's been a top 5 Spurs this season, which is pretty amazing considering we're talking by far the 2nd best team in the league...

[hater]

Would not take over Tony now: Rubio, Kemba, Reggie, Rondo, and possibly Beverly.

I would not take Manu over Trey Burke, Etwan Moore and possibly Solomon Hill

[Proxy]

The thing about TP is like... if he isn't a big factor in the game, he seems to emotionally remove himself. Similar to a child. Last night, the main difference I saw, was that he actually felt like trying hard. Something that's never absent from TD or Manu, even when they're playing like shit.

[hater]

What I wish was absent from Manu is himself late in the 4th

[Kawhitstorm]

2015-16 Real Plus-Minus - Point Guards

Porker below Patty. :lmao

That's what happens when you get roasted by the likes of E'Twaun Moore.:wakeup

[Perry Mason]

The thing about TP is like... if he isn't a big factor in the game, he seems to emotionally remove himself. Similar to a child. Last night, the main difference I saw, was that he actually felt like trying hard. Something that's never absent from TD or Manu, even when they're playing like shit.

What a bunch of crap. I have yet to see all these imagined psychological faults that the remaining dregs (Apa/Harlem have moved on) of the dumbshit crew conjure for Tony in their own minds. Get over it guys. He was an athletic speedster, in a league with some of the fastest people on the planet. Until 2014 or so, Parker literally ran faster and harder, for longer, than any rotation player in the NBA (SportsVU confirmed).

I personally work with a trainer and physical therapist (a legit on that helps serve the Rockets) and am in my mid-30's. Little injuries pop up often and take time to go away at this age. I can't even imagine what a professional athlete goes through regimen-wise to stay in game shape.

[AFMadison]

Dabom with the meltdown. These guys would rather the Spurs lose in the finals if it meant Tony playing at a high level

[Kawhitstorm]

:lol Not knowing how those stats work.

You realize Patty faces second unit scrub PGs for the majority of his minutes, don't you?

:lol Going off on the Marcelo Huertas and Phil Presseys of the league

RPM is adjusted for lineups, it's not boxscore +/-.:nope

[AFMadison]

That's what happens when you get roasted by the likes of E'Twaun Moore.:wakeup
This guy wants to be part of the krew so bad ^^^^ :lmao

[MultiTroll]

Yep lets see how Parker does in this next stretch.

Much better off being facilitator.
I am in the group that says him trying to be 1st option many trips down the floor will result in another Clippers series. Throws off the whole offense AND often leads transition defense to be in terrible position.
Play your role Porker.

[apalisoc_9]

I am on my phone so I cant type properly, but i 100% disagree on the thread topic. Tony is inconsistent and can drivble dribble you oyt of the game. He also has a tendency to highjack the offense.

Third scorer would be by comitte..whoever is playing better between Manu-Tony-Patty

As evidence with past games.

[Kawhitstorm]

And it's always going to skew the results of low usage/low minutes bench players. I mean, RPM has Marcelo Huertas over players like Jordan Clarkson, D'Angelo Russell, and Zach LaVine. :lol I hope the league GMs take RPM as gospel and lure Marcelo with a sizable contract. I also think Simmons moved into top ten among SGs in RPM a couple of times this year :lol

The majority of Patty House's minutes come against bench players. And yes, I do know it "adjusts," but lighting up scrubs is still going to give a player a nice RPM. That's what you don't understand, per par.

Big Dummy, it's not Huertas fault teams are taking his lightly & he's having more of an impact than D'Bust who sucks at playing D along with jacking up bad shots. Just look at Delly, the Cavs are better with him on the floor b/c Kyrie is cut from the same stone as Porker.:rolleyes

[RD2191]

Dabom with the meltdown. These guys would rather the Spurs lose in the finals if it meant Tony playing at a high level
You are seriously one of the faggiest posters on ST.

[Kawhitstorm]

Would not take over Tony now: Rubio, Kemba, Reggie, Rondo, and possibly Beverly.

Kemba has been carrying the Hornets while Porker was enjoying a 4 game single digit scoring streak.:wakeup

[KL2]

How many on that list you'd be willing to take above Parker? Kemba? Rubio? Lowry? :lol

I'd take practically all of them over Parker :lol, we're getting similar production from Patty Mills, a guy we're paying $4 mill. for, a guy that used to ride the bench in POR. How many of those players listed have teammates/coaching that come anywhere close to what Parker has?

TJ Ford and Andre Miller showed more court vision and passing ability in their short time here than Parker has ever shown and they were supposed to be done years ago.

[EVAY]

wow a sensible objective well thought out post, EVAY you do realize that you are posting on the ST forum?

Clearly I lost my head there for a while. But then I read all the other posts in this thread and remembered.

[TheGreatYacht]

Did you brush your teeth after Parker incrusted a turd in your mouth? :lmao
Pffffffff :lmao hater been on a roll the whole week

[paperboy77]

Agreed OP, Parker had a good game last night, and that's the type of TP we'll need in the playoffs. Can he do it consistently is the question. It's unlikely he can, but honestly we'll only need him to do it consistently against the Dubs and in the finals.

I agree with this except that when TP is not having a good game he tends to force it. By the time Pop pulls him it'll be way too late..... like last year.

[ElNono]

I would not take Manu over Trey Burke, Etwan Moore and possibly Solomon Hill

Why are you comparing Tony and Manu... Manu is way older...

[RD2191]

Why are you comparing Tony and Manu... Manu is way older...
And consistently out plays Parker off of the bench.

[Proxy]

What a bunch of crap. I have yet to see all these imagined psychological faults that the remaining dregs (Apa/Harlem have moved on) of the dumbshit crew conjure for Tony in their own minds. Get over it guys. He was an athletic speedster, in a league with some of the fastest people on the planet. Until 2014 or so, Parker literally ran faster and harder, for longer, than any rotation player in the NBA (SportsVU confirmed).

I personally work with a trainer and physical therapist (a legit on that helps serve the Rockets) and am in my mid-30's. Little injuries pop up often and take time to go away at this age. I can't even imagine what a professional athlete goes through regimen-wise to stay in game shape.

is this part of your Tinder profile description? 6/10

[spurraider21]

damn, relying on volume posting to win an argument :lol... ur like the kid that thinks screaming louder makes you more right

https://i.gyazo.com/006c7d6f1ea7f49a8ea77bbe3181ce4a.png

[AFMadison]

You are seriously one of the faggiest posters on ST.
Take a look in the mirror Rob. Your krew freaks the hell out if a player on the team we all root for plays well. Quit living through the feuds, and start rooting for the team.

[RD2191]

Take a look in the mirror Rob. Your krew freaks the hell out if a player on the team we all root for plays well. Quit living through the feuds, and start rooting for the team.
Krew? Now you have to be part of a krew if you dislike a certain player? As I said, I hope Parker does well these next few games. I'll gladly eat a shit sandwich if it means Parker plays well and we beat the Clips, Thunder and Dubs.

[Cry Havoc]

I don't think we played at a particular high level with him so ball-dominant in this game.

The simple counting stats often lie + his defense was god awful.

The sad truth is that we will struggle against the best teams if very ball-dominant Parker goes assist and basket whoring rather than running the system, give more room to the best players individually and all that at the expense of giving great effort on the defensive end.

Ball-dominant Tony Parker is one of the team's most dangerous pit-falls and hopefully a somewhat successful game like this, at least on the surface, won't encourage it further.

:lol

Hilarious.

If Parker has a great game, he's whoring out for points and assists and therefore needs to take more of a backseat to the rest of the offense.

If he doesn't put up stats, he's a shitty PG who needs to take a backseat to Patty.

Parker could shoot 10-10 for 30 points with 15 assists and you'd say he's just a primadonna trying to look good and bump his stats, and that has no place on the Spurs, which is what you're basically doing already.

[RD2191]

:lol

Hilarious.

If Parker has a great game, he's whoring out for points and assists and therefore needs to take more of a backseat to the rest of the offense.

If he doesn't put up stats, he's a shitty PG who needs to take a backseat to Patty.

Parker could shoot 10-10 for 30 points with 15 assists and you'd say he's just a primadonna trying to look good and bump his stats, and that has no place on the Spurs, which is what you're basically doing already.
Hey sorry man but I think you're in the wrong forum. Reddit.com is probably what you're looking for.

[Cry Havoc]

Hey sorry man but I think you're in the wrong forum. Reddit.com is probably what you're looking for.

It's okay man. Breathe. Parker had a great game and now you don't know what to do with yourself. It'll be fine. No need to be defensive, it makes you look sad.

[ChumpDumper]

http://www.smiley-lol.com/smiley/deplacer/bus.gif

[RD2191]

It's okay man. Breathe. Parker had a great game and now you don't know what to do with yourself. It'll be fine. No need to be defensive, it makes you look sad.
I'm fine tbh. Spurs won so it's all good. But yeah Reddit is probably waiting for you.

[dabom]

Hey sorry man but I think you're in the wrong forum. Reddit.com is probably what you're looking for.

:lmao

[dabom]

Usage:

25.6% Aldridge
25.3% Leonard
24.4% Ginobili
24.3% Marjanovic
21.4% Parker
19.5% Mills
18.7% Simmons
18.0% West
17.6% Duncan
16.8% Diaw
15.0% Anderson
14.6% Bonner
14.5% Green
11.3% Miller
05.0% Martin

Minutes
1971 Leonard
1817 Aldridge
1685 Green
1603 Parker
1330 Mills
1210 Duncan
1183 Diaw
1112 West
904 Anderson
901 Ginobili
672 Simmons
340 Marjanovic
130 Bonner
48 Miller
8 Martin

:wow

[.G.]

Nigga cain't always be in gawdmode. He needs lots of rest, it seems.

[midnightpulp]

I am on my phone so I cant type properly, but i 100% disagree on the thread topic. Tony is inconsistent and can drivble dribble you oyt of the game. He also has a tendency to highjack the offense.

Third scorer would be by comitte..whoever is playing better between Manu-Tony-Patty

As evidence with past games.

The problem is Manu and Patty are even more inconsistent. And the latter is one of the worst PG defenders in the NBA. Why do you think the Spurs signed Andre Miller? Because Patty matches up poorly with Livingston and other bigger guards. "Committee" would imply that Parker, Manu, and Patty are relatively equal threats to score the same amount of points at the same rate. They're not. Parker is a much bigger offensive threat than those two right now. I agree if Manu has another resurgence, but I'm not counting on it.

Here's how the rest of the "committee" is looking:

Danny Green is shooting .380 from the field and can't even finish a 2 on 1 fast break.

Tim Duncan is averaging 4.3 points in his last 5 games.

Manu is averaging 5.3 points since his return, despite having a 22 point game.

Boris is still fat and seems disinterested.

West is indeed steady and efficient, but not someone who is going to go Robert Horry Game 5 at this stage in his career.

I wish it weren't this way, but I don't see a viable 3 option threat right now other than Tony. And last night's game was a perfect example of the kind of scoring balance I'd like to see. If the bench didn't play like shit, the Spurs win by 20.

[apalisoc_9]

The problem is Manu and Patty are even more inconsistent. And the latter is one of the worst PG defenders in the NBA. Why do you think the Spurs signed Andre Miller? Because Patty matches up poorly with Livingston and other bigger guards. "Committee" would imply that Parker, Manu, and Patty are relatively equal threats to score the same amount of points at the same rate. They're not. Parker is a much bigger offensive threat than those two right now. I agree if Manu has another resurgence, but I'm not counting on it.

Here's how the rest of the "committee" is looking:

Danny Green is shooting .380 from the field and can't even finish a 2 on 1 fast break.

Tim Duncan is averaging 4.3 points in his last 5 games.

Manu is averaging 5.3 points since his return, despite having a 22 point game.

Boris is still fat and seems disinterested.

West is indeed steady and efficient, but not someone who is going to go Robert Horry Game 5 at this stage in his career.

I wish it weren't this way, but I don't see a viable 3 option threat right now other than Tony. And last night's game was a perfect example of the kind of scoring balance I'd like to see. If the bench didn't play like shit, the Spurs win by 20.

Parker has been so inconsistent this year too...

We should talk about this topic in a spyrsforum podcast or some shit. Still on my phone

[Mouth is Bleeding]

edit: meant to quote this post:


Hilarious.

If Parker has a great game, he's whoring out for points and assists and therefore needs to take more of a backseat to the rest of the offense.

If he doesn't put up stats, he's a shitty PG who needs to take a backseat to Patty.

Parker could shoot 10-10 for 30 points with 15 assists and you'd say he's just a primadonna trying to look good and bump his stats, and that has no place on the Spurs, which is what you're basically doing already.

fine with him not putting up meaningless counting stats and generally fine with his usage this season which is part of why we're winning so much.

That's why this kind of go to guy ballhog outlier performance kind of worries me.

Take a backseat. Let Avery be the inspiration and use your fucking energy to defend.

[ElNono]

The problem is Manu and Patty are even more inconsistent. And the latter is one of the worst PG defenders in the NBA. Why do you think the Spurs signed Andre Miller? Because Patty matches up poorly with Livingston and other bigger guards. "Committee" would imply that Parker, Manu, and Patty are relatively equal threats to score the same amount of points at the same rate. They're not. Parker is a much bigger offensive threat than those two right now. I agree if Manu has another resurgence, but I'm not counting on it.

Here's how the rest of the "committee" is looking:

Danny Green is shooting .380 from the field and can't even finish a 2 on 1 fast break.

Tim Duncan is averaging 4.3 points in his last 5 games.

Manu is averaging 5.3 points since his return, despite having a 22 point game.

Boris is still fat and seems disinterested.

West is indeed steady and efficient, but not someone who is going to go Robert Horry Game 5 at this stage in his career.

I wish it weren't this way, but I don't see a viable 3 option threat right now other than Tony. And last night's game was a perfect example of the kind of scoring balance I'd like to see. If the bench didn't play like shit, the Spurs win by 20.

It's a matter of strengths, mid... I rather West take jumpshots than Tony. I rather have Manu moving the ball side to side looking for an opening, than dribble, dribble, dribble. Even at 38%, I rather Green take a 3 than TP... Bobo in the post (I think he's bored ATM, tbh) and Tim at the elbow looking for LMA are better options than a Manu stepback 3...

TP's strength is speed, penetration and finishing. When he has a favorable matchup (ie: no shot blocker in the paint), that's a great asset, and the Spurs should pursue it. But him taking Js and trying to play 1-2 with Tim should be at the very bottom of the barrel as far as offensive options go, especially with LMA and Kawhi on the floor. All that takes is recognition of where your bread is buttered now. Sometimes I cringe when he starts a 1-2 play with Tim (which these days seem to end up with a turnover). It's like watching Kobe post up Kawhi in a corner, about to embarrass himself.

[dabom]

It's a matter of strengths, mid... I rather West take jumpshots than Tony. I rather have Manu moving the ball side to side looking for an opening, than dribble, dribble, dribble. Even at 38%, I rather Green take a 3 than TP... Bobo in the post (I think he's bored ATM, tbh) and Tim at the elbow looking for LMA are better options than a Manu stepback 3...

TP's strength is speed, penetration and finishing. When he has a favorable matchup (ie: no shot blocker in the paint), that's a great asset, and the Spurs should pursue it. But him taking Js and trying to play 1-2 with Tim should be at the very bottom of the barrel as far as offensive options go, especially with LMA and Kawhi on the floor. All that takes is recognition of where your bread is buttered now. Sometimes I cringe when he starts a 1-2 play with Tim (which these days seem to end up with a turnover). It's like watching Kobe post up Kawhi in a corner, about to embarrass himself.

Shit always leads to a fastbreak because of our positioning. :lmao

[Pauleta14]

It's a matter of strengths, mid... I rather West take jumpshots than Tony. I rather have Manu moving the ball side to side looking for an opening, than dribble, dribble, dribble. Even at 38%, I rather Green take a 3 than TP... Bobo in the post (I think he's bored ATM, tbh) and Tim at the elbow looking for LMA are better options than a Manu stepback 3...

TP's strength is speed, penetration and finishing. When he has a favorable matchup (ie: no shot blocker in the paint), that's a great asset, and the Spurs should pursue it. But him taking Js and trying to play 1-2 with Tim should be at the very bottom of the barrel as far as offensive options go, especially with LMA and Kawhi on the floor. All that takes is recognition of where your bread is buttered now. Sometimes I cringe when he starts a 1-2 play with Tim (which these days seem to end up with a turnover). It's like watching Kobe post up Kawhi in a corner, about to embarrass himself.

When he wants it Parker can be a great passer. Even if he isn't a "natural" one and will never be he can be very effective when he puts his mind to it like against the Bulls.

The same way Kawhi despite not being a natural shooter has become one the best.

[ElNono]

When he wants it Parker can be a great passer. Even if he isn't a "natural" one and will never be he can be very effective when he puts his mind to it like against the Bulls.

The same way Kawhi despite not being a natural shooter has become one the best.

While I disagree with your comparison I do think he can be a good floor general, especially when he recognizes it isn't about him.

The reason I disagree with the comparison is that you can work on your shot with a good shooting coach, improve your mechanics, release, etc. Actual playmaking is much more of an innate talent. You can execute very well, but that's not the same as reading and reacting, seeing the floor, etc. TP can execute very well whenever he recognizes what the team's strengths are now. He's done it sporadically this season, and it needs to be more consistent. It means he won't be the first and sometimes not even the second or third option, and it's difficult, but sometimes it's what's best for the team.

[100%duncan]

I don't know. The past games before this TP was looking like he needed to retire. It's easy to cite a game, but his health is always questionable. Hope dude remains injury-free tbh.

[Ditty]

If Aldridge, Kawhi and Parker average an efficient 20+ points each in the playoffs we probably win the title. Think Aldridge will have a game or two that he may struggle, the same with Tony in the playoffs but hopefully Green, Manu, Tim, Mills and West have some efficient nights also. Of course Pop notices the guys that are on also.

[ElNono]

^ It's rare your 1st and/or 2nd option doesn't get shutdown eventually in the playoffs, tbh... happened to Klay Thompson and largely Curry too last year, that's why you need other guys to come to the rescue (Iggy in the Dubs case, or Tim/Manu back in 2014)... that's why how sharp are Manu/Danny/Patty/Bobo and potentially West/KMart will matter, but above all, how strong is our defense to potentially grind out games will basically be the barometer.

[Kawhitstorm]

If Aldridge, Kawhi and Parker average an efficient 20+ points each in the playoffs we probably win the title. Think Aldridge will have a game or two that he may struggle, the same with Tony in the playoffs but hopefully Green, Manu, Tim, Mills and West have some efficient nights also. Of course Pop notices the guys that are on also.

Expecting Porker to average an "efficient" 20 in 2016.:lmao

[Kawhitstorm]

^ It's rare your 1st and/or 2nd option doesn't get shutdown eventually in the playoffs, tbh... happened to Klay Thompson and largely Curry too last year, that's why you need other guys to come to the rescue (Iggy in the Dubs case, or Tim/Manu back in 2014)... that's why how sharp are Manu/Danny/Patty/Bobo and potentially West/KMart will matter, but above all, how strong is our defense to potentially grind out games will basically be the barometer.

West WILL SHOW-UP & Patty has shown up in the postseason the past 2 season. Bobo is done, Manu is old & Danny's shot is out of service. K-Mart is basically the wild-card like Marco.

Big Game West:

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Pgxisy3yWqU

[DenialTwist]

I don't know. The past games before this TP was looking like he needed to retire. It's easy to cite a game, but his health is always questionable. Hope dude remains injury-free tbh.

Exactly. He has played well against mediocre teams but the teams that matter are OKC and the Warriors. If he can be a good facilitator for LMA-Kawhi they can win but they also need Green to perform well offensively as well. Green should be the 3rd scorer but you never know when he is going to be M.I.A from beyond the arc.

[Pauleta14]

While I disagree with your comparison I do think he can be a good floor general, especially when he recognizes it isn't about him.

The reason I disagree with the comparison is that you can work on your shot with a good shooting coach, improve your mechanics, release, etc. Actual playmaking is much more of an innate talent. You can execute very well, but that's not the same as reading and reacting, seeing the floor, etc. TP can execute very well whenever he recognizes what the team's strengths are now. He's done it sporadically this season, and it needs to be more consistent. It means he won't be the first and sometimes not even the second or third option, and it's difficult, but sometimes it's what's best for the team.

I agree, the main reason imo is that Tony doesn't think pass first naturally, so he misses all the firsts "openings"...

My point was he is/can be a very good passer TECHNICALY, which is a real strength when you need to execute a (drawn) play, he even occasionally does amazing passes, the problem remain that it's never his first option, he always seem to look naturally for an opening for himself.
When he is asked to, like the game against the Bulls, he can be aggressive in setting up his teammates, it's not the 1rst time he has shown he can do it, the mystery is why he doesn't do it or is asked to do it more often.
I hate when I see him bring the ball half court, get rid of if to a teammate and stay passively in the corner! Is he asked to do it??

Regarding my comparison with Kawhi, it's not only the jump shot, it's the overall game, if you remember his ball handling his first year...

[EVAY]

^ It's rare your 1st and/or 2nd option doesn't get shutdown eventually in the playoffs, tbh... happened to Klay Thompson and largely Curry too last year, that's why you need other guys to come to the rescue (Iggy in the Dubs case, or Tim/Manu back in 2014)... that's why how sharp are Manu/Danny/Patty/Bobo and potentially West/KMart will matter, but above all, how strong is our defense to potentially grind out games will basically be the barometer.

And yet it is so difficult for folks to remember that TP was either the first or second option in all the playoffs between 2007 and 2013, and so in fact, just as you note, he became the focus of the defensive sets and schemes. He has in fact struggled and looked bad in those playoffs, but it is also true that, just like when Tim got the bulk of the defensive attention in 2007 and Tony was named MVP because he had less attention on him than on other Spurs, so too was Kawhi more able to get freer for great shots in 2014 when Tim and Tony were getting the bulk of the Miami defensive attention.

All of which suggests that Kawhi and LMA will get the bulk of the defensive action this year in the playoffs, so other team members will have to pick it up. Diaw and Green and, to a lesser extent, even Marco, did so in 2014 for us. So who do you think it will be this year? It might (or might not) be TP, it might be Green, it might be Diaw (if he hasn't completely and deservedly lost his job by then), or maybe Mills or Martin? We are gonna have to find some three point shooting from somewhere...in 2014 we had plenty.

All of is not to deny that defense is most critical, and on that basis I think that we are better than virtually everybody else, including GSW. But ref calls on fouls could kill us. Those are always so subjective.

[EVAY]

Regarding my comparison with Kawhi, it's not only the jump shot, it's the overall game, if you remember his ball handling his first year...

I remember cringing whenever Kawhi or Danny green would bring the ball up in transition.

Now I only cringe when Green does.

[ElNono]

I agree, the main reason imo is that Tony doesn't think pass first naturally, so he misses all the firsts "openings"...

My point was he is/can be a very good passer TECHNICALY, which is a real strength when you need to execute a (drawn) play, he even occasionally does amazing passes, the problem remain that it's never his first option, he always seem to look naturally for an opening for himself.
When he is asked to, like the game against the Bulls, he can be aggressive in setting up his teammates, it's not the 1rst time he has shown he can do it, the mystery is why he doesn't do it or is asked to do it more often.
I hate when I see him bring the ball half court, get rid of if to a teammate and stay passively in the corner! Is he asked to do it??

Regarding my comparison with Kawhi, it's not only the jump shot, it's the overall game, if you remember his ball handling his first year...

I've never said the transition from being the go-to guy to sitting back and basically be a floor general is an easy transition, tbh... it takes time, even Manu wrote extensively how it's difficult, and sometimes you take that extra shot you should not.

Tony can be on 'eat first' mode for a game, but he can't do what he did last series against the Clips, where it was more than a game. Not this season. He's got Kawhi being really dominant now and LMA too. He doesn't need to be, he can pick his spots, but knowing full well where his bread is buttered. We all know it's going to take time, and he has to transition from that first offense, to being part of the committee that's gonna be the third wheel. I though generally Tim and Manu have done that well, but, they're older, they started that transition earlier.

[ElNono]

And yet it is so difficult for folks to remember that TP was either the first or second option in all the playoffs between 2007 and 2013, and so in fact, just as you note, he became the focus of the defensive sets and schemes. He has in fact struggled and looked bad in those playoffs, but it is also true that, just like when Tim got the bulk of the defensive attention in 2007 and Tony was named MVP because he had less attention on him than on other Spurs, so too was Kawhi more able to get freer for great shots in 2014 when Tim and Tony were getting the bulk of the Miami defensive attention.

All of which suggests that Kawhi and LMA will get the bulk of the defensive action this year in the playoffs, so other team members will have to pick it up. Diaw and Green and, to a lesser extent, even Marco, did so in 2014 for us. So who do you think it will be this year? It might (or might not) be TP, it might be Green, it might be Diaw (if he hasn't completely and deservedly lost his job by then), or maybe Mills or Martin? We are gonna have to find some three point shooting from somewhere...in 2014 we had plenty.

All of is not to deny that defense is most critical, and on that basis I think that we are better than virtually everybody else, including GSW. But ref calls on fouls could kill us. Those are always so subjective.

All of the big 3 were targeted over their careers. People are crazy if they don't think Manu wasn't targeted even in 2013/14 against Miami. When you're running the best bench in the entire league, that kind of stuff is laser focused. Thing is, right now, Tim, Tony and Manu can't be saviours, not more than a game or two. Kawhi and LMA need to be the guys that raise over the scheming, and everybody else needs to help.

[Pauleta14]

I've never said the transition from being the go-to guy to sitting back and basically be a floor general is an easy transition, tbh... it takes time, even Manu wrote extensively how it's difficult, and sometimes you take that extra shot you should not.

Tony can be on 'eat first' mode for a game, but he can't do what he did last series against the Clips, where it was more than a game. Not this season. He's got Kawhi being really dominant now and LMA too. He doesn't need to be, he can pick his spots, but knowing full well where his bread is buttered. We all know it's going to take time, and he has to transition from that first offense, to being part of the committee that's gonna be the third wheel. I though generally Tim and Manu have done that well, but, they're older, they started that transition earlier.

I agree with you and your "frustrations" toward Tony, the thing is I don't have any hope in that regard, he won't change completely now, it's too late.

He will only be good at distributing the ball by sequences like he has always been. He can't start playing like a "normal" PG, he mainly creates from his penetrations and his aggressiveness.

What I still don't understand is performances like last PO against the Clips, we still don't have a sure explanation, tbh he can't be THAT bad suddenly, I'm sure he was way more handicapped than what was said at that time...

My point is he has to stay who he is, he needs to be at least mentally aggressive for him and the team to succeed.

[EVAY]

All of the big 3 were targeted over their careers. People are crazy if they don't think Manu wasn't targeted even in 2013/14 against Miami. When you're running the best bench in the entire league, that kind of stuff is laser focused. Thing is, right now, Tim, Tony and Manu can't be saviours, not more than a game or two. Kawhi and LMA need to be the guys that raise over the scheming, and everybody else needs to help.

:tu

[RD2191]

:bobo DAT 3RD SCORER WITH A SOLID 4 POINTS LAST NIGHT.

[midnightpulp]

:bobo DAT 3RD SCORER WITH A SOLID 0 POINTS IN THE 1ST HALF.

You forgot to mention him only taking 2 shots and deferring (4 dimes), which is what you retards want from him.

You also forgot to mention crew favorites Danny, Patty House, and Manure going a combined 0 for fuckin' 11 for 0 points.

[RD2191]

:bobo DAT 3RD SCORER WITH A SOLID 0 POINTS IN THE 1ST HALF.

[Texas_Ranger]

he did allow around 15 on the other side tho. Good guy Tony.

[HI-FI]

I agree with you and your "frustrations" toward Tony, the thing is I don't have any hope in that regard, he won't change completely now, it's too late.

He will only be good at distributing the ball by sequences like he has always been. He can't start playing like a "normal" PG, he mainly creates from his penetrations and his aggressiveness.

What I still don't understand is performances like last PO against the Clips, we still don't have a sure explanation, tbh he can't be THAT bad suddenly, I'm sure he was way more handicapped than what was said at that time...

My point is he has to stay who he is, he needs to be at least mentally aggressive for him and the team to succeed.
what did Sean say on the broadcast the other night, "Only God can create point guards"? Seems true with Parker. He'll never be a natural floor general like even Manu. I'll give Enrique some credit, he's been less infuriating this year than I can recall but he still has those Kobe-esque lapses into selfishness, not seeing the court correctly etc...I'm just glad we got Patty and Andre Miller as insurance.

[pgardn]

You forgot to mention him only taking 2 shots and deferring (4 dimes), which is what you retards want from him.

You also forgot to mention crew favorites Danny, Patty House, and Manure going a combined 0 for fuckin' 11 for 0 points.

Dont destroy their hatred for Parker.

Never mind, they won't understand the post

[RD2191]

he did allow around 15 on the other side tho. Good guy Tony.
:lol

[midnightpulp]

Dont destroy their hatred for Parker.

Never mind, they won't understand the post

These morons probably think I'm some great Parker fan, yet no one has criticized Parker more than me over years. Shit, I started my Tony Parker is Not Clutch thread when these guys were probably still Parker fans.

I just see no alternative. Tonight's game is the "Committee" idea in practice, and we see the shitty results. Danny Green can't score. "MVPatty" is a good game once every 5 games type of player, more inconsistent than Tony. Manu is a huge a wildcard. And Timmy isn't going to go 5-6 in a half very often.

It's Parker or bust. I don't like it, but I've come to accept it.

[HarlemHeat37]

Spurs don't really need a consistent, designated 3rd option, tbh..

Kawhi and Aldridge are good enough to carry the load as a 1-2 punch..the peripheral scorers can be anybody else depending on the climate of the game, nobody is good enough to stand out as a 3rd guy..

[midnightpulp]

Spurs don't really need a consistent, designated 3rd option, tbh..

Kawhi and Aldridge are good enough to carry the load as a 1-2 punch..the peripheral scorers can be anybody else depending on the climate of the game, nobody is good enough to stand out as a 3rd guy..

Against every team in the league other than the Warriors, I agree. But my analysis really only considers Golden State. LMA's playoff history is still a worry, and Kawhi is not going to equalize Steph's production. So I ask, where's that scoring going to come from? Tony is the only consistent double-digit scorer on this team other than Leonard and LMA.

The "committee" idea requires too many moving parts, meaning 5-8 guys all need to play above par at the same time, which is why having 3 (or 4) consistent options you can count on works much better in the post-season, since role players are typically inconsistent.

[HarlemHeat37]

Against every team in the league other than the Warriors, I agree. But my analysis really only considers Golden State. LMA's playoff history is still a worry, and Kawhi is not going to equalize Steph's production. So I ask, where's that scoring going to come from? Tony is the only consistent double-digit scorer on this team other than Leonard and LMA.

The "committee" idea requires too many moving parts, meaning 5-8 guys all need to play above par at the same time, which is why having 3 (or 4) consistent options you can count on works much better in the post-season, since role players are typically inconsistent.

I agree with you in theory that Parker being a reliable 3rd option would obviously make things a lot easier, we have seen how great the Spurs can look when Tony's penetration is getting deep and his J is going down..however, it's been evident since the calendar turned to 2016 that he's way too inconsistent, and as we have seen all season, his defense gets exploited against any competent offensive player..

The first Warriors game was troubling, as they clearly made it a purpose to attack him(and Patty), all night..I suspect there wasn't any game planning or strategy from Pop and the Spurs for that game, so I'll reserve judgment for March 19th..

[gambit1990]

patty should be starting.

[Robz4000]

3rd option is by committee imo.

[Robz4000]

Against the Dubs it'll prolly have to be Manu or Diaw tho for the Spurs to have any shot.

[pgardn]

These morons probably think I'm some great Parker fan, yet no one has criticized Parker more than me over years. Shit, I started my Tony Parker is Not Clutch thread when these guys were probably still Parker fans.

I just see no alternative. Tonight's game is the "Committee" idea in practice, and we see the shitty results. Danny Green can't score. "MVPatty" is a good game once every 5 games type of player, more inconsistent than Tony. Manu is a huge a wildcard. And Timmy isn't going to go 5-6 in a half very often.

It's Parker or bust. I don't like it, but I've come to accept it.

You have been playing in the basement for too long. You ask them who is going to take Parker's spot and they have no answer because there is not an answer. I don't like him that much either but we must have him.

Patty, Manu, who takes the bigger minutes at point? It's obvious. We may not like it but it's obvious.

Parker.

[pgardn]

patty should be starting.

You have not a clue.

[gambit1990]

You have not a clue.
keep defending parker tbh. i love when people embarrass themselves.

[pgardn]

keep defending parker tbh. i love when people embarrass themselves.

You want Patty to fail quite obviously.
Stop posting on this site.

[MultiTroll]

The "committee" idea requires too many moving parts, meaning 5-8 guys all need to play above par at the same time, which is why having 3 (or 4) consistent options you can count on works much better in the post-season, since role players are typically inconsistent.
2014 Championship run.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Can we trade Parker for Joseph?

[DenialTwist]

Can we trade Parker for Joseph?

What about Parker for George Hill?

[Floyd Pacquiao]

What about Parker for George Hill?

I'd do it

[ElNono]

can we get Paul George back?

[DPG21920]

We saw tonight (and lately) that this is a defensive team and TP can't be counted on to consistently be the 3rd guy. They will have to win with defense. The offense is generating some damn good looks - just have to hope DG/TP/Bench can score enough.

LMA/Kawhi are obviously going to have the burden, but they are still creating for everyone.

[UZER]

Parker mentally checks out like wide receiver not getting the ball thrown is way. He says the right things, but he just comes off unhappy if he ain't getting his.

[gambit1990]

You want Patty to fail quite obviously.
Stop posting on this site.
lmao, wtf? i want patty to fail? :lol
wow, you managed to be even stupider than i thought you were.

[FkLA]

Parker mentally checks out like wide receiver not getting the ball thrown is way. He says the right things, but he just comes off unhappy if he ain't getting his.

https://38.media.tumblr.com/c26b20d3523d58572c00a59fabfc6650/tumblr_mtzmeqC16Z1qcga5ro1_500.gif

[apalisoc_9]

Parker mentally checks out like wide receiver not getting the ball thrown is way. He says the right things, but he just comes off unhappy if he ain't getting his.

Boom.

[pgardn]

lmao, wtf? i want patty to fail? :lol
wow, you managed to be even stupider than i thought you were.

Play Patty starting point for the rest of the season and into the playoffs. Then you will see.

You want to play a 2 at point guard and then judge stupid?
gfy

[pgardn]

Parker mentally checks out like wide receiver not getting the ball thrown is way. He says the right things, but he just comes off unhappy if he ain't getting his.

He comes off as...

This is part of the problem with this board.

When Parker falls down trying to draw a foul and grabs his round head leaving us to defend 4 on 5, that's a problem. When he comes off as... that's an ST problem...

[dabom]

OP a faggot. :lmao

[UZER]

He comes off as...

This is part of the problem with this board.

When Parker falls down trying to draw a foul and grabs his round head leaving us to defend 4 on 5, that's a problem. When he comes off as... that's an ST problem...

Everything on this board is subjective, even your point. Maybe pop tells him, lay your ass down so the refs know you got fouled. Seems ridiculous but nobody on this board actually knows. It's all a ST problem.

[RD2191]

:bobo DAT 3RD SCORER WITH A SOLID 4 POINTS LAST NIGHT.

[J_Paco]

Parker has been so inconsistent this year too...

We should talk about this topic in a spyrsforum podcast or some shit. Still on my phone

Exactly, but his point is that Parker is still more reliable and a threat with the ball than Manu (at this stage of his career) and Patty Mills.

Tony had a terrible stat line last night, but he deferred to teammates, didn't force the issue and wasn't a complete liability on defense.

Now, we still need points from him - 10 to 15 a night - because otherwise that is another player the defense can ignore, but overall I was glad he took a backseat to Kawhi and LaMarcus. He can't go three quarters without scoring in the playoffs, though. He needs to find that happy middle ground.

[J_Paco]

what did Sean say on the broadcast the other night, "Only God can create point guards"? Seems true with Parker. He'll never be a natural floor general like even Manu. I'll give Enrique some credit, he's been less infuriating this year than I can recall but he still has those Kobe-esque lapses into selfishness, not seeing the court correctly etc...I'm just glad we got Patty and Andre Miller as insurance.

Excuse me, but Patty isn't anywhere near a "natural" PG either. He has had just as many lapses of "selfish" play and "shot jacking" as Parker, but he has the benefit of playing most of his minutes with Manu. Manu, or even Kyle Anderson of late, has the burden of playing "PG" when on the floor with Patty.

Miller is at best a situational option for backup when Patty is getting lit up by his matchup. He is a much, much better distributor and creator than Patty or Tony, but his age won't allow him to have a bigger role.

[gambit1990]

Play Patty starting point for the rest of the season and into the playoffs. Then you will see.

that's what i want and i hope i get it. spurs 7-0 without parker this year.

[pgardn]

Everything on this board is subjective, even your point. Maybe pop tells him, lay your ass down so the refs know you got fouled. Seems ridiculous but nobody on this board actually knows. It's all a ST problem.

No your "comes off as" is an ST problem.
Dont overstate my post.

[pgardn]

that's what i want and i hope i get it. spurs 7-0 without parker this year.

you think this gets us through the playoffs ...

Sure thing.

I don't care who is on the floor if we win a championship. I just watch the games and realize Patty at point ain't gonna get it done alone. If Parker is injured right now and is out we are not going to win a championship IMO. I don't think this is the least bit unreasonable. I am also glad we have Patty to change the pace and energy of the game and hit those 3s.

its a team...

[Splits]

OP is one of the brightest minds on this forum

[SAGirl]

Definitely think Tony should be scoring more than 0 through 3 Q. It's a difficult balance bc he didn't have an advantageous matchup in any way. We have to remember Pop is still testing things and guys out and he took the ball from Tony to get more out of Kawhi. Tony had his moments and frankly he got into the paint and dished all night. The problem is that all the shooters were cold and Timmy guarded by Adams or Ibaka close to the paint were not conducive to him looking for shots in the paint. It was probably the kind of game that called for deferral.

I think what is clear is that Tony is the most likely guy to be a 3rd option but he can't be consistent at it. Danny slumping complicates matters and TD decline in the paint is also an alarm. The SL is a 2 man show with some roleplayers there. The most likely to be able to give you scoring and move the ball if options 1 and 2 are doubled and neutralized is Tony.

[UZER]

No your "comes off as" is an ST problem.
Dont overstate my post.

You overstated mine. It's all subjective period.

[JuneJive]

"I always try to find a happy balance between passing and scoring," Parker said. "Especially now with LaMarcus and Kawhi, sometimes I forget to be aggressive and look for my shot. I will try to do better and keep improving on that."

[DenialTwist]

Exactly, but his point is that Parker is still more reliable and a threat with the ball than Manu (at this stage of his career) and Patty Mills.

Tony had a terrible stat line last night, but he deferred to teammates, didn't force the issue and wasn't a complete liability on defense.

Now, we still need points from him - 10 to 15 a night - because otherwise that is another player the defense can ignore, but overall I was glad he took a backseat to Kawhi and LaMarcus. He can't go three quarters without scoring in the playoffs, though. He needs to find that happy middle ground.

Um, that's because Kawhi was guarding Westbrook most of the game and down the stretch while Parker was hiding on Roberson. It's tough to guard Westbrook, he is high energy for 48 minutes and whoever takes that challenge gets a lot of credit. Parker was getting posted up by Westbrook when they had the mismatch. I get that he deferred but that's because he looked uncomfortable most of the game, when he misses shots he gets down on himself.

[gambit1990]

parker's shooting in recent games...

clippers: 1-5
thunder: 0-4
bulls: 10-16
pacers: 2-8
kings: 1-6
pelicans: 1-3
2 for 8 tonight :lmao

[dabom]

OP doubled down on his Shitty take. :lmao

[gambit1990]

Kawhi and LMA are gonna feed. Those 2 will be our one two punch.

3rd leading scorer will be by committee. Some nights it will be Duncan or Manu or Patty or Green or Tony.
how does anyone disagree with this? you let your best players feast.

[midnightpulp]

OP doubled down on his Shitty take. :lmao

:lol Believing 87 points is going to be enough.

[gambit1990]

:lol Believing 87 points is going to be enough.
so parker being 2 for 8 as our third scorer will be enough?

[dabom]

"Just STAHP"

http://cdn.newsbusters.org/images/stephen-a-smith_0.jpg

[gambit1990]

eat shit mid. you can hide as long as you want but this won't escape you.

[TheGreatYacht]

Spurs beat the Worriers with LMAlpha as the first option. Predictable, tbh..

[gambit1990]

Spurs beat the Worriers with LMAlpha as the first option. Predictable, tbh..
stfu and gtfo tbh. this isn't about kawhi vs lma. read the title of the thread you stupid piece of shit.

[TheGreatYacht]

stfu and gtfo tbh. this isn't about kawhi vs lma. read the title of the thread you stupid piece of shit.
Just stating a fact homo.

first option LMAlpha, second Kiwi, third Parker

[gambit1990]

Just stating a fact homo.

first option LMAlpha, second Kiwi, third Parker
our first/second option is interchangeable. i have no problem with who outta the two takes over offensively, they are the spurs' best players.

you wanting parker to be relevant is on you.

[gambit1990]

so how games since then have been examples of how tony needs be our 3rd scorer? :lol

[gambit1990]

also... this thread was made three weeks ago... so it took that long into the season for op to declare that parker needs to be that 3rd scorer? :lol

[gambit1990]

good take op :lol

[dabom]

:lol

[DenialTwist]

Parker looks like he is 45 years old out there. God-awful on both ends.

[midnightpulp]

:lol

Committee is looking good too, bro :tu

[dabom]

Committee is looking good too, bro :tu

I'm still right and you still wrong. :lol

[midnightpulp]

I'm still right and you still wrong. :lol

No. We're both wrong. Parker sucks ass, as does the Committee.

I'll take the L on Porker. Just step up and take the L on the Committee, bro. It won't hurt.

[dabom]

No. We're both wrong. Parker sucks ass, as does the Committee.

I'll take the L on Porker. Just step up and take the L on the Committee, bro. It won't hurt.

I just said the third leading scorer will be by committee. I'm correct.

You said we NEED Tony to be the turd option for us to win. You're wrong. :lmao

[midnightpulp]

I just said the third leading scorer will be by committee. I'm correct.

You said we NEED Tony to be the turd option for us to win. You're wrong. :lmao

I've also said it doesn't matter who steps up as the 3rd. I backed Tony because he was having a solid season until the last month or so.

My point is that we NEED a SINGLE player as that 3rd option. Go back through NBA history, look at the stats on title teams, and you'll see there's typically a 3rd guy who averages 12 to 20 points. I don't think you understand how valuable it is for a team, from a psychology standpoint, to know they have a 3rd reliable scorer that can carry some load when the top 2 guys are off. You watched the Spurs employ this method for 4 title runs. Even that '03 team. It was Tim, Tony, Stephen Jackson. Here's where you bring up Speedy Claxton, but we lose to the Lakers if not for Tony. He also had a pretty good overall playoff run for being a 20 year old second year player.

3rd guy by "committee" has never worked aside from 2014 Spurs (where the whole team was a committee). Someone in that locker needs to ball up and tell LMA and Kawhi, "I got this if you guys need it." Not this, uh, well tonight it's Manu, then it's Tim, then it's Patty. Like I always say, that whack-a-mole (credit DMC for that description) philosophy requires too many moving parts to be consistent.

[dabom]

I've also said it doesn't matter who steps up as the 3rd. I backed Tony because he was having a solid season until the last month or so.

My point is that we NEED a SINGLE player as that 3rd option. Go back through NBA history, look at the stats on title teams, and you'll see there's typically a 3rd guy who averages 12 to 20 points. I don't think you understand how valuable it is for a team, from a psychology standpoint, to know they have a 3rd reliable scorer that can carry some load when the top 2 guys are off. You watched the Spurs employ this method for 4 title runs. Even that '03 team. It was Tim, Tony, Stephen Jackson. Here's where you bring up Speedy Claxton, but we lose to the Lakers if not for Tony. He also had a pretty good overall playoff run for being a 20 year old second year player.

3rd guy by "committee" has never worked aside from 2014 Spurs (where the whole team was a committee). Someone in that locker needs to ball up and tell LMA and Kawhi, "I got this if you guys need it." Not this, uh, well tonight it's Manu, then it's Tim, then it's Patty. Like I always say, that whack-a-mole (credit DMC for that description) philosophy requires too many moving parts to be consistent.

The Spurs are still by committee. Whether they win or lose.

Letting Tony chuck is and never was the solution brah. :tu

[midnightpulp]

The Spurs are still by committee. Whether they win or lose.

Letting Tony chuck is and never was the solution brah. :tu

And that's why the offense is so inconsistent. When you don't know who is going to be the 3rd guy any given night, it's about impossible to design an offensive gameplan. Think about peak big 3 Spurs. They knew that if Tim and Tony were facing pressure via doubles or packing the paint, they could run some Manu sets to open things back up. Or run Tony sets (when Tony was the 3rd).

They can't do that anymore. If LMA and Kawhi are pressured, it's basically whack-a-mole time.

[dabom]

And that's why the offense is so inconsistent. When you don't know who is going to be the 3rd guy any given night, it's about impossible to design an offensive gameplan. Think about peak big 3 Spurs. They knew that if Tim and Tony were facing pressure via doubles or packing the paint, they could run some Manu sets to open things back up. Or run Tony sets (when Tony was the 3rd).

They can't do that anymore. If LMA and Kawhi are pressured, it's basically whack-a-mole time.

Brah did you not see Tony last playoffs? And you TRIPLED DOWN this year on him. I'm glad you admitted you were wrong. I'm going to drop the "turd option" nick. :lol

[midnightpulp]

Brah did you not see Tony last playoffs? And you TRIPLED DOWN this year on him. I'm glad you admitted you were wrong. I'm going to drop the "turd option" nick. :lol

How many times do I have to repeat myself? I don't care if it's Tony, Tim, Manu, Patty, or Uwe Blab. It just has to be someone.

Last playoffs were irrelevant to how Tony was playing from November-January. He looked good, averaging about 14 points on 51% shooting, so I thought he was back, and figured he was just injured last playoffs. Guess he wasn't. Fallen off a cliff. Now we're back to where we started. LMA and Kawhi doing everything on offense while the role players can't hit the fuckin' barn.

Your Tony hatred is again blinding you. You thought me backing Tony=me being a fanboy. I just backed him because he was the only consistent double-digit scorer on the team aside from the Big 2. I'd LOVE it to be Manu or Tim, but I have my doubts they can perform at their age. So we're left with whack-a-mole. Sorry, bud, that philosophy isn't going to work. Like I said, we need someone to text LMA and Kawhi and say, "I got you."

[dabom]

How many times do I have to repeat myself? I don't care if it's Tony, Tim, Manu, Patty, or Uwe Blab. It just has to be someone.

Last playoffs were irrelevant to how Tony was playing from November-January. He looked good, averaging about 14 points on 51% shooting, so I thought he was back, and figured he was just injured last playoffs. Guess he wasn't. Fallen off a cliff. Now we're back to where we started. LMA and Kawhi doing everything on offense while the role players can't hit the fuckin' barn.

Your Tony hatred is again blinding you. You thought me backing Tony=me being a fanboy. I just backed him because he was the only consistent double-digit scorer on the team aside from the Big 2. I'd LOVE it to be Manu or Tim, but I have my doubts they can perform at their age. So we're left with whack-a-mole. Sorry, bud, that philosophy isn't going to work. Like I said, we need someone to text LMA and Kawhi and say, "I got you."
you specifically said tony 3 times. just stop dude. lol

[midnightpulp]

you specifically said tony 3 times. just stop dude. lol

And you keep saying the committee. At least I recognize every player on this team is offensive garbage aside from the top 2.

Oh well, when I collect 200.00, I'll rub in how fuckin' ludicrous supporting a 3rd guy by committee idea was.

[dabom]

And you keep saying the committee. At least I recognize every player on this team is offensive garbage aside from the top 2.

Oh well, when I collect 200.00, I'll rub in how fuckin' ludicrous supporting a 3rd guy by committee idea was.

Is this your only retort nowadays? :lol

[midnightpulp]

Is this your only retort nowadays? :lol

Retort? I'm just emphasizing that I'm right. Committee idea is flawed. Yes, I was wrong about Tony, but I'm right about whack-a-mole. Ain't gonna work.

[dabom]

Retort? I'm just emphasizing that I'm right. Committee idea is flawed. Yes, I was wrong about Tony, but I'm right about whack-a-mole. Ain't gonna work.

Whether we win or not, that's the team we are.

[midnightpulp]

Whether we win or not, that's the team we are.

I guess I disagree, because I think a former big gun has one left in him, so now, I suppose, I'm backing Manu.

Or maybe Boris will come out of nowhere. But I do think that 3rd guy has to be a perimeter player to relieve all the pressure Kawhi will get.

[dabom]

I guess I disagree, because I think a former big gun has one left in him, so now, I suppose, I'm backing Manu.

Or maybe Boris will come out of nowhere. But I do think that 3rd guy has to be a perimeter player to relieve all the pressure Kawhi will get.

You should back Diaw. 100%

[dabom]

He plays mostly with the bench and doesn't take away from LMA and Kawhi and can hit the triple if he wants.

[dabom]

Along with his post game on smaller defenders. Chopped liver for him. :lol

[midnightpulp]

He plays mostly with the bench and doesn't take away from LMA and Kawhi and can hit the triple if he wants.

I think Pop might start him. Maybe not in game 1 of that potential series, but if the Spurs get blown out, I think he starts Boris game 2 and on.

Also, Boris can conceivably punish the Warriors with his passing when they swarm, like he did to Miami, who employed a similar swarm defense. Green and Patty will need to hit those looks that Boris generates, though.

[apalisoc_9]

Boris is going to be the third option agaunst the warriors. Its pretty evident. When he started, he was the third option.

Hopefully that fatass can recover in time..

Also its like 2pm pct...you niggas havent had enough for today? :lol

We will beat these motherfucking gay ass warriors..Book it.

[dabom]

I think Pop might start him. Maybe not in game 1 of that potential series, but if the Spurs get blown out, I think he starts Boris game 2 and on.

Also, Boris can conceivably punish the Warriors with his passing when they swarm, like he did to Miami, who employed a similar swarm defense. Green and Patty will need to hit those looks that Boris generates, though.

I think Tim is always gonna start. You have to understand that there is too much synergy that gets lost playing other players out of their position.

[midnightpulp]

Boris is going to be the third option agaunst the warriors. Its pretty evident. When he started, he was the third option.

Hopefully that fatass can recover in time..

Also its like 2pm pct...you niggas havent had enough for today? :lol

We will beat these motherfucking gay ass warriors..Book it.

I'm still seething.

And :lol at bolded.

[dabom]

Spurs don't get rattled too much and Pop doesn't change his rotations much. Maybe game 6 or 7 if it gets that far.

[gilmor]

Porker actually laffed at himself:

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[TheGreatYacht]

We are fortunate to have this clutch SOB on our team :tu

[gambit1990]

it's fool's gold tbh... how many times has parker even scored 20 this season?

off the top of my head:
-against cleveland, a pretender
-against the bulls, a team that doesn't know how to play defense anymore/is missing the playoffs
-against okc, minus westbrook & ibaka

[SASdynasty!]

We are fortunate to have this clutch SOB on our team :tu
We go as far as MVParker takes us TBH

[TheGreatYacht]

We go as far as MVParker takes us TBH
Troof nuke!

[gambit1990]

We go as far as MVParker takes us TBH
jordan farmar outscored parker tonight.

we go as far as LEONARD and lma take us. thankfully.

[TheGreatYacht]

jordan farmar outscored parker tonight.

we go as far as LEONARD and lma take us. thankfully.
Max player kiwi with 13pts on 4-10 shooting lmao.. Hopefully he doesn't shit the bed against Harrison again

[LongtimeSpursFan]

jordan farmar outscored parker tonight.

we go as far as LEONARD and lma take us. thankfully.

3-11,2 assists, 3 turnovers, -17. That's outplaying?

[gambit1990]

3-11,2 assists, 3 turnovers, -17. That's outplaying?
:lmao
i said outscored. maybe you should spend less time being a spurs fan and spend more time trying not to be illiterate.

[Kawhitstorm]

jordan farmar outscored parker tonight.

So far, Patty has been the 3rd scorer.:lol

[HarlemHeat37]

:lmao
i said outscored. maybe you should spend less time being a spurs fan and spend more time trying not to be illiterate.
:wow:wow

[LongtimeSpursFan]

:lmao
i said outscored. maybe you should spend less time being a spurs fan and spend more time trying not to be illiterate.

My bad 8 > 6. Yeah he really outscored/outplayed Parker. Fortunately the Spurs were able to eek by with a narrow 26 point win. LOL.
Parker haters are dumb rocks.

[SupremeGuy]

3-11,2 assists, 3 turnovers, -17. That's outplaying?Now we have proof that you're an illiterate piece of shit. :lol

[gilmor]

jordan farmar outscored parker tonight.

we go as far as LEONARD and lma take us. thankfully.

I think you shd start watching kindergarden bball.. NBA is too advanced for you..

[313]

jordan farmar outscored parker tonight.

we go as far as LEONARD and lma take us. thankfully.
Yuck, Matt Barnes held prime Kawhi to 13 points on 40% shooting tonight. Hardly a good time to amigo after Tony who only had two less points than Farmar..

[Kawhitstorm]

Yuck, Matt Barnes held prime Kawhi to 13 points on 40% shooting tonight.


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[313]

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4/10

[dabom]

4/10

What was his TS%?

[Kawhitstorm]

4/10

5-5 FTs--> 13 pts on 10 shots--->TS%: 50%+:wakeup

[313]

5-5 FTs--> TS%: 50%+:wakeupIm sorry for expecting more from our heralded number one guy, going against scrubs. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say he's coasting.

[dabom]

5-5 FTs--> 13 pts on 10 shots--->TS%: 50%+:wakeup

.53TS%. Not Bad.

[Kawhitstorm]

Im sorry for expecting more from our heralded number one guy, going against scrubs. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say he's coasting.

He has been "heralded" as best player on the team b/c he is the best defender in the league.:wakeup

[313]

He has been "heralded" as best player on the team b/c he is the best defender in the league.:wakeup
Are you saying most people on this forum don't consider him the best offensive player on the team too?