Explosions at Belgium Airport

[spurraider21]

Developing story, reports of multiple bombs/explosions going off in an airport in Belgium

http://news.yahoo.com/belgian-media-explosions-brussels-airport-several-injured-072952033.html?nf=1

[313]

Religion of peace?

[rmt]

Explosions at 3 subway stations - metro shut down.

[Mal]

Islam and refugees are not the problem. The problem are the countries in central - eastern Europe that doesnt provide enough social benefits from refugees to live there.

L

[Pelicans78]

Consequence of Europe's overall lack of security for a long time whether it's on their borders or inside their own country. Mass immigration leads to chaos in the short-term and long-term.

[Mal]

Consequence of Europe's overall lack of security for a long time whether it's on their borders or inside their own country. Mass immigration leads to chaos in the short-term and long-term.

Those fuckers are still saying that Islam is not the problem.

And I am leaving in medival country, where last terrorist attack was probably in XIX century and russian tsar was the target

[Pelicans78]

Those fuckers are still saying that Islam is not the problem.

And I am leaving in medival country, where last terrorist attack was probably in XIX century and russian tsar was the target

It's more of a Muslim terrorist problem than anything else. Easy to blame a religion or a piece of text, but in the end, it's Muslim terrorists which are the problem. It's easy to stop them but the will isn't there in the Musim or non-Muslim world. Also lax in security and border controls from these European governments. Liberal governments like mass immigration because it's creates a new voter base so they encourage people coming in thru the border without much resistance.

[turkish spurs fan]

my prayers to the people of belgium who are victims and their families. i live in turkey and we are attacked in last weeks one then more. we all know the psyhgolocy of this kinds of terrorism. i hope it will pass in time.

if you say muslims are only terrorist, this is bullshit by the way. for example, pkk in turkey attacked ankara and 39 civil people died. it was made by PKK which has atheist-marxist ideology. turkey challenge againts them for 40 years. can i say all the atheists are terrorist ? and for ex beligum state supports pkk, they let them make propaganda in the center of brussels. terrorism dont have religion. every states /people must work in common.

in syria 400 000 muslims are killed, and big states just watched massacre of bessar assad beacuse of he is secular. 400 000 i say not 4 not 40 not 400 not 4000. if you say islam = terrorism, you just feed daesh who are son of bitches.

allah bless the belgium victims.

[Mal]

It's more of a Muslim terrorist problem than anything else. Easy to blame a religion or a piece of text, but in the end, it's Muslim terrorists which are the problem. It's easy to stop them but the will isn't there in the Musim or non-Muslim world. Also lax in security and border controls from these European governments. Liberal governments like mass immigration because it's creates a new voter base so they encourage people coming in thru the border without much resistance.

I think there was enough discussion about that matter. Some people still did not learn their lesson, and some other people are dying. I am done with such talks. It`s just matter of laugh to me right now. Just like when people are still standing on rake hitting their head for 20th time, even though you said to remove rake after every other time such thing occured. When you are helpless, nobody is listening to you, you only can laugh, when somebody get hurt.

[Mal]

my prayers to the people of belgium who are victims and their families. i live in turkey and we are attacked in last weeks one then more. we all know the psyhgolocy of this kinds of terrorism. i hope it will pass in time.

if you say muslims are only terrorist, this is bullshit by the way. for example, pkk in turkey attacked ankara and 39 civil people died. it was made by PKK which has atheist-marxist ideology. turkey challenge againts them for 40 years. can i say all the atheists are terrorist ? and for ex beligum state supports pkk, they let them make propaganda in the center of brussels. terrorism dont have religion. every states /people must work in common.

in syria 400 000 muslims are killed, and big states just watched massacre of bessar assad beacuse of he is secular. 400 000 i say not 4 not 40 not 400 not 4000. if you say islam = terrorism, you just feed daesh who are son of bitches.

allah bless the belgium victims.

Turkey is supporting ISIS and that european imigration crisis.

[DarrinS]

Religion of peace?

[turkish spurs fan]

Turkey is supporting ISIS and that european imigration crisis.

turkey is not supporting ISIS it is the propaganda againts turkey. turkey is the best in world for working imigration crisis. open its home for 3 000 000 civil people including arab, kurd, turkmen, ezidi etc. though we are not rich like europe. if europe don't want refugees, they should support the idea of turkey, build a security city in northern syria where they can live. we are the mostly effected by refugee crisis.

[baseline bum]

God damn fucking Islam again.

[Pelicans78]

Anyone who believes Turkey supports ISIS is just retarded.

[Pelicans78]

God damn fucking Islam again.

European governments should do more to protect their citizens.

[Mal]

Anyone who believes Turkey supports ISIS is just retarded.

They are buying oil from them. They are bombing Kurds, rather than ISIS. They didn`t do shit to solve that problem, near their border. ISIS existence is good for Turkey, and ISIS won`t fight with them. How`s that not support ?

[Mal]

Problem solved. The Eiffel Tower will be highlight in Belgium`s colours.

[Venti Quattro]

Send all of the refugees home

[Pelicans78]

They are buying oil from them. They are bombing Kurds, rather than ISIS. They didn`t do shit to solve that problem, near their border. ISIS existence is good for Turkey, and ISIS won`t fight with them. How`s that not support ?

The PkK is a Kurdish terrorist group causing attacks in Turkey. They have every right to get bombed.

[Pelicans78]

Send all of the refugees home

This is a bigger problem than refugees. These are people born and raised in Belgium causing these attacks. However big liberal governments become so big, they're unable to perform basic functions like public safety. But yes, the refugees need to go back to their own countries. The rest of the world is not the Salvation Army.

[spankadelphia]

People ranting about Islamophobia while the bodies are still warm need a reality check. Fear and anger are perfectly reasonable responses in the face of a violent and expansionist ideology.

[turkish spurs fan]

They are buying oil from them. They are bombing Kurds, rather than ISIS. They didn`t do shit to solve that problem, near their border. ISIS existence is good for Turkey, and ISIS won`t fight with them. How`s that not support ?

turkey is not buying oil from them. if u believe these russian shits you must be just stupid. turkey is not bombing kurds, turkey is bombing pkk / pyd who attackes turkey, does ethnic cleansing in non isis arab-turkmen areas. ISIS existence is not good for turkey, they harmed the revulation againts ASSAD regime and assad found legality after ISIS occured. assad / isis are feeding together.

[Venti Quattro]

This is a bigger problem than refugees. These are people born and raised in Belgium causing these attacks. However big liberal governments become so big, they're unable to perform basic functions like public safety. But yes, the refugees need to go back to their own countries. The rest of the world is not the Salvation Army.
I agree with you. These are children of migrants and are citizens by jus soli. However, sending the refugees home should be the priority of the highest order. These are world powers bending for them, compromising their resources, economy and national security. Sending them all home is 75-80% of the problem, maybe more. And then after that they can deal with the 20-25% head-on afterwards.

[hater]

Erdohitler may be not buying ISIS oil but his family is sure distributing it. The columns of thousands if tankers moving to and from Syria are what? A joke?

Turkish military hospitals are also treating injured jihadists that cross the border for help

[Venti Quattro]

does ethnic cleansing in non isis arab-turkmen areas

The Armenians approve

[boutons_deux]

If this is an ISIS attack ... Thanks, Repugs and BigOil for invading Iraq for oil and causing Middle East instability.

[DarrinS]

If this is an ISIS attack ... Thanks, Repugs and BigOil for invading Iraq for oil and causing Middle East instability.

Wash, rinse, repeat

[DeadlyDynasty]

Muslims

[turkish spurs fan]

Erdohitler may be not buying ISIS oil but his family is sure distributing it. The columns of thousands if tankers moving to and from Syria are what? A joke?

Turkish military hospitals are also treating injured jihadists that cross the border for help

hahaha these russian claims were just funny and nobody take it serious. according to their claims, tankers were passing in pkk/pyd areas to get in turkey. it means PKK / kurds forces supports ISIS : ) this slander was because of pain turkey drop their fighter. turkish hospitals were treatening all syrian people coming turkey in 2012-2013. turkey opened its border for peshmerge (northern iraq-barzani-kurdish forces) to pass syria to fight againts ISIS so what kind of crazy can say turkey supporting isis.

isis are very useful toy for assad / russia / pkk / sometimes usa for their big aims. and no one thinking syrian civil oppresseds.

the subject changed in another way, again my prayers to all victims and their families in belgium.

[boutons_deux]

Wash, rinse, repeat

Yep, all y'all Repugs, rightwingnuts LOVE to forget, LIE that the Repugs/BigOil have nothing to do with the M/E shit.

[Pelicans78]

If this is an ISIS attack ... Thanks, Repugs and BigOil for invading Iraq for oil and causing Middle East instability.

Big government not able to protect its people due to intruding in everyone's lives.

[Venti Quattro]

Yep, all y'all Repugs, rightwingnuts LOVE to forget, LIE that the Repugs/BigOil have nothing to do with the M/E shit.

Don't you think the Muslims would have attacked somewhere close to the US instead of Belgium? Stop blaming Muslim acts of terrorism on the GOP

[boutons_deux]

Big government not able to protect its people due to intruding in everyone's lives.

What? :lol

[Mitch]

Terrible news, tbh

We'll be hearing a lot more anti-muslim rhetoric soon.

[boutons_deux]

Terrible news, tbh

We'll be hearing a lot more anti-muslim rhetoric soon.

Of course, which the MIC will use to murder, and bomb the fuck out of "terrorists" in countries where US has no declared war.

dubya's Global War on Terror was created by USA aoccupying Saudi Arabia after the First Gulf War, pissing of OBL/AQ. The occupation gave dubya, dickhead, neocons, BigOil a base for invading Iraq for oil.

[Mal]

turkey is not buying oil from them. if u believe these russian shits you must be just stupid. turkey is not bombing kurds, turkey is bombing pkk / pyd who attackes turkey, does ethnic cleansing in non isis arab-turkmen areas. ISIS existence is not good for turkey, they harmed the revulation againts ASSAD regime and assad found legality after ISIS occured. assad / isis are feeding together.

We all saw what happend when regime fell down in Egypt, Libya, Iraq. It`s not good for the world. Assad is only faulty of being russian ally. He wasnt taken down earlier, because Syria does not have oil, so nobody cares.

Turkey need Kurds to fight in Syria vs whoever. If kurds are behind attacks in Turkey, it`s because they fight for their own country, for freedom. You said, they are atheists. Some book isn`t cause for attacks.

Attacks in Europe have nothing in common with freedom, war, human rights. It`s stupid religion that drives those people to kill.

[boutons_deux]

"It`s stupid religion that drives those people to kill."

:lol

[Ghazi]

Amazing how people think 50,000 brainwashed mercenary scumbags (ISIS and all their goonies) represent 1.6 billion Muslims across the globe.

But what a shame people have to die over ISIS's ridiculous absurd, tasteless idealogy

*cue people saying that isis is TRUE Islam!!!!*

MARG BAR DAESH, MARG BAR DAESH, MARG BAR DAESH.

[TDMVPDPOY]

those fkn clowns causing shit in europe, they syrian or isis faggots?

[MultiTroll]

Amazing how people think 50,000 brainwashed mercenary scumbags (ISIS and all their goonies) represent 1.6 billion Muslims across the globe.
I think what irritates most is that legit Muslims seem to do little or in some cases nothing to expose ISIS phucktards.
Example that section of Belgium that houses many of the tards.
Hard to believe others do not know exactly who they are, what they are doing.

[hater]

damn Nuclear Power Plant being evacuated in Belgium

RIP Belgium tbqh

[SupremeGuy]

Religion of peace?Obviously.

lol boutons sounds even crazier than normal

[boutons_deux]

Obviously.

lol boutons sounds even crazier than normal

you rightwingnut nationalists, war mongers, BigCorp fellators are so fucking conned, so fucking stupid. USA created this shitty terrorism

The Muslim terrorists, Ms of them created out of nothing by the USA, are seeking revenge for USA fucking with their countries, displacing, impoverishing, killing their families, friends, co-religionists for oil, for Gitmo, for supporting Israel's genocide.

What do the 9/11, San Bernardino, Bataclan, Brussels, etc achieve? revenge

[Mal]

you rightwingnut nationalists, war mongers, BigCorp fellators are so fucking conned, so fucking stupid. USA created this shitty terrorism

The Muslim terrorists, Ms of them created out of nothing by the USA, are seeking revenge for USA fucking with their countries, displacing, impoverishing, killing their families, friends, co-religionists for oil, for Gitmo, for supporting Israel's genocide.

What do the 9/11, San Bernardino, Bataclan, Brussels, etc achieve? revenge

It could be revenge, dont care. But those fuckers are belgian/us/french citizens. That makes me sick.

[Mal]

*cue people saying that isis is TRUE Islam!!!!*
.

Isnt it written in quran to kill heathen ?

[ChumpDumper]

Isnt it written in quran to kill heathen ?Probably. Isn't it written in the Bible too?

[boutons_deux]

It could be revenge, dont care. But those fuckers are belgian/us/french citizens. That makes me sick.

But USA's treasonous BigCorp screwing America sucking the 99%'s wealth, for killing US jobs and The Real Econonomy, for profit is OK for you?

Extortionate BigMedicine kills 10Ks of Americans every year, reducing 100Ks to poverty for the rest of their lives, but Muslim terrorists are USA's biggest threat? :lol

[Warlord23]

There is no easy solution to this problem, unfortunately. Powers like Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, North Korea etc were clearly identifiable, geographically and politically. The jihadist menace on the other hand has spread itself within the countries that it now attacks. You can engage, educate and enable Muslim communities in Western countries, but there is no guarantee that this will completely eradicate the problem.

Islam badly needs a reformation, an enlightenment that challenges many of its principles that are not applicable in the modern era. Unfortunately, the custodian of Sunni Islam is Saudi Arabia, an "ally" of the West that uses its oil money to promote its particularly backward theology. Muslim leaders in the West need to wrest this mantle away and rewrite the tenets of Islam. Otherwise this will not end well.

[Mal]

Probably. Isn't it written in the Bible too?

Couldnt know for sure. Maybe in Old Testament. I am not into it at all.

[Mal]

But USA's treasonous BigCorp screwing America sucking the 99%'s wealth, for killing US jobs and The Real Econonomy, for profit is OK for you?

Extortionate BigMedicine kills 10Ks of Americans every year, reducing 100Ks to poverty for the rest of their lives, but Muslim terrorists are USA's biggest threat? :lol

I am not from US, you tool.

[Splits]

Used to live walking distance from Maelbeek station, rode that line every day.

[Thread]

Used to live walking distance from Maelbeek station, rode that line every day.

Damn! So close.

[Splits]

Damn! So close.

Yeah, just like 10 years!

[ChumpDumper]

Couldnt know for sure. Maybe in Old Testament. I am not into it at all.It is written in the bible tbh,

[ElNono]

RIP to the deceased...

Good news for Trump, tbh

[Thread]

Yeah, just like 10 years!

Still, I feel enabled for the first time in like a long time.

[Thread]

RIP to the deceased...

Good news for Trump, tbh

Yep, a couple more over the Summer, then a big, big one middle-to-late October.

Can you imagine Hillary taking "no" for an answer? It'll be a blast.

[Mal]

It is written in the bible tbh,

You wont prove anything. If in 21st century people follow exactly what was written thousands years ago in book, they are just retards.

[ChumpDumper]

You wont prove anything. If in 21st century people follow exactly what was written thousands years ago in book, they are just retards.So what was your point about the Koran?

[Mal]

So what was your point about the Koran?

That there are people following exactly what is written there ?

[ChumpDumper]

That there are people following exactly what is written there ?Oh, so people are killing others.

Not the book.

OK.

[ElNono]

Yep, a couple more over the Summer, then a big, big one middle-to-late October.

Can you imagine Hillary taking "no" for an answer? It'll be a blast.

IMO, Bibi will gladly fake a couple if needed, tbh...

[spurraider21]

Oh, so people are killing others.

Not the book.

OK.
Don't blame nazis for the holocaust. People were killing other people. Not the swastika

[Mal]

Oh, so people are killing others.

Not the book.

OK.

You kiddin me, right ? After another islamic terrorist attack you are trying to prove me wrong about statement "book is killing people" ?

[ChumpDumper]

Don't blame nazis for the holocaust. People were killing other people. Not the swastikaI do blame the Nazis.

They were the people who killed other people.

I don't blame Mein Kampf.

Do you understand?

Yes or no.

[ChumpDumper]

You kiddin me, right ? After another islamic terrorist attack you are trying to prove me wrong about statement "book is killing people" ?Nothing to prove tbh.

It just is.

[Mal]

Nothing to prove tbh.

It just is.

Another attack, and still people dont get it, didn`t learn their lesson.

[ChumpDumper]

Another attack, and still people dont get it, didn`t learn their lesson.What is their lesson?

Teach them.

[DeadlyDynasty]

It's concentration camp time, charge it to the game.

[RD2191]

Apparently only white western lives matter. Lol @ all the phony pieces of shit on twitter.

[Pelicans78]

It's concentration camp time, charge it to the game.

It's inevitable.

[Wild Cobra]

Anyone who believes Turkey supports ISIS is just retarded.
That a hard delineation to use since at least 80% of the people here at Spurstalk are retards...

[Pelicans78]

Another attack, and still people dont get it, didn`t learn their lesson.

There's not just one Islam in this world. Different sects who go by different books/texts and different interpretations of the texts. Different sects read different books along with the Quran so they come up with different ideas and interpretations. Plus, not every government is effectively dealing with the radical groups or don't know how to deal with them or don't have enough funds/resources because they're wasting money elsewhere.

Best way for a nation to deal with it is to individually remove an extremist group and isolate the nations that harbor or support it.

[SnakeBoy]

If this is an ISIS attack ... Thanks, Repugs and BigOil, MIC, dubya's Global War on Terror, dubya, dickhead, neocons, BigOil, rightwingnut nationalists, war mongers, BigCorp fellators , co-religionists for oil, for Gitmo, for supporting Israel's genocide, USA's treasonous BigCorp screwing America sucking the 99%'s wealth, Extortionate BigMedicine

lol

[pgardn]

Don't blame nazis for the holocaust. People were killing other people. Not the swastika

The Nazis spoke for the vast majority of Germans.

Does ISIS and other Islamic terrorist groups speak for the vast majority of Islam?

Hell, ISIS does not even speak for the other terrorists groups, they go at each other if given the chance.

[pgardn]

And welcome to the world in which individual rights are in constant readjustment with the good of the whole. Well organized Totalitarian states are very good at snuffing this stuff out.

[Pelicans78]

And welcome to the world in which individual rights are in constant readjustment with the good of the whole. Well organized Totalitarian states are very good at snuffing this stuff out.

It's inevitable if the attacks keep increasing. Panic is setting in.

[pgardn]

It's inevitable if the attacks keep increasing. Panic is setting in.

The pendulum swings towards the good of the whole. (I will say from what I have read Belgium was extraordinarily lax and did not let other more experienced intelligence agencies from other countries help out after the French incident led to Belgium roots.)

So I get my crotch grabbed again in the airport by female security.

[Spurminator]

Muslim leaders in the West need to wrest this mantle away and rewrite the tenets of Islam. Otherwise this will not end well.

These terrorists aren't being radicalized by Muslim leaders in the West. There have been countless efforts by Western Muslim leaders, particularly in America, to denounce terrorism and engage with their communities. There might even be more if every time they had an event to do so, they weren't greeted by a bunch of protesters accusing them of bringing Sharia Law to the US.

[Pelicans78]

The pendulum swings towards the good of the whole. (I will say from what I have read Belgium was extraordinarily lax and did not let other more experienced intelligence agencies from other countries help out after the French incident led to Belgium roots.)

So I get my crotch grabbed again in the airport by female security.

A big issue with increasing security is cost. Conservatives want to increase it heavily without increasing taxes or cutting other spending while the other side doesn't want to get rid entitlement/welfare programs in order to cover the costs, but instead want to increase further taxes.

[Pelicans78]

These terrorists aren't being radicalized by Muslim leaders in the West. There have been countless efforts by Western Muslim leaders, particularly in America, to denounce terrorism and engage with their communities. There might even be more if every time they had an event to do so, they weren't greeted by a bunch of protesters accusing them of bringing Sharia Law to the US.

Alot of these fuckers get trained overseas or radicalized in places like Saudi Arabia, Chechyna, Afghanistan, and now Syria and come back home and try to start shit. It's not a real big issue in the States since most Muslims assimilate fairly well, but Europe is a different problem since those countries tend to be more segregated in nature and still find it acceptable to throw bananas on the soccer field when they see a black player. Muslim leaders in the States aren't a problem, but I do think there are mosques in Europe which have radical elements.

[Wild Cobra]

I read an interesting article earlier today in a mailer from Hillsdale college, as I am one of their donors, and subscribers:

http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/islam-facts-or-dreams/

[pgardn]

A big issue with increasing security is cost. Conservatives want to increase it heavily without increasing taxes or cutting other spending while the other side doesn't want to get rid entitlement/welfare programs in order to cover the costs, but instead want to increase further taxes.

The overriding theme that I already mentioned comes with all sorts of costs.

With the ability to communicate so easily, the ease of making devices that can kill large numbers of people, and the World's population distributed heavily in large urban areas, expectations of security might have to change.

We had a neighbor kid build a device for fun that put a hole in the asphalt street upon mixing. The entire neighborhood heard it. He got ingredients from the same company TOGETHER that should have raised huge warning flags and never been sent. I kinda hope his parents are on a list as he used their credit card.

[ChumpDumper]

It's inevitable if the attacks keep increasing. Panic is setting in.Are you panicking?

[Pelicans78]

I read an interesting article earlier today in a mailer from Hillsdale college, as I am one of their donors, and subscribers:

http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/islam-facts-or-dreams/

I read the article. I do disagree that the Muslim Brotherhood has infiltrated the government. That's proven to be a myth and outright lie to associate Obama as a Muslim.

[Pelicans78]

Are you panicking?

I'm not, but people will start to and some already have. Trump is playing to those people who are scared and angry. I do think it's an issue that needs to be addressed without any impunity domestically and abroad (with the help of other countries). But there are people who will view brown skin folks with tons of suspicion.

[Pelicans78]

The overriding theme that I already mentioned comes with all sorts of costs.

With the ability to communicate so easily, the ease of making devices that can kill large numbers of people, and the World's population distributed heavily in large urban areas, expectations of security might have to change.

We had a neighbor kid build a device for fun that put a hole in the asphalt street upon mixing. The entire neighborhood heard it. He got ingredients from the same company TOGETHER that should have raised huge warning flags and never been sent. I kinda hope his parents are on a list as he used their credit card.

Was it a Muslim kid?

[DarrinS]

We had a neighbor kid build a device for fun that put a hole in the asphalt street upon mixing. The entire neighborhood heard it. He got ingredients from the same company TOGETHER that should have raised huge warning flags and never been sent. I kinda hope his parents are on a list as he used their credit card.


Maybe he was just making a clock?

[pgardn]

Was it a Muslim kid?

Lilly white Christian.

We pay for agencies to be able to follow lists of chemicals that should not be bought in tandem.

[pgardn]

Maybe he was just making a clock?

It was a good one.

The entire neighborhood was able to coordinate its WTF?

[DMX7]

The Nazis spoke for the vast majority of Germans.

Does ISIS and other Islamic terrorist groups speak for the vast majority of Islam?

Hell, ISIS does not even speak for the other terrorists groups, they go at each other if given the chance.

The Nazis are associated with fascism, wars of conquest and mass genocide (among other atrocities).

These are things that the "vast majority" of Germans did NOT want. But in a fascist totalitarian state like Nazi Germany, the actual will of the people is usually an afterthought.

ISIS of course does not represent the vast majority of Islam. But many in the west are inclined to blame it on Islam because Muslims and Muslim leaders, especially in countries that should be taking military action against ISIS, seem to do relatively little to stand up to it. There are so many Muslims and yet you see and hear relatively little condemnation or action taken up against ISIS.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Erdohitler may be not buying ISIS oil but his family is sure distributing it. The columns of thousands if tankers moving to and from Syria are what? A joke?

Turkish military hospitals are also treating injured jihadists that cross the border for help

We're back here again? Anything other than sputnik.com to support this?

[boutons_deux]

lol

:lol you're dickless responses are as verbose as Darrin's dick-tied-ness.

USA/UK started terrorizing Muslim countries, now they are getting terrorized in return.

But it's the Koran's fault! :lol

[Pelicans78]

The Nazis are associated with fascism, wars of conquest and mass genocide (among other atrocities).

These are things that the "vast majority" of Germans did NOT want. But in a fascist totalitarian state like Nazi Germany, the actual will of the people is usually an afterthought.

ISIS of course does not represent the vast majority of Islam. But many in the west are inclined to blame it on Islam because Muslims and Muslim leaders, especially in countries that should be taking military action against ISIS, seem to do relatively little to stand up to it. There are so many Muslims and yet you see and hear relatively little condemnation or action taken up against ISIS.

There's condemnation in this country from Muslim leaders. I'm not sure in Europe where there is more radicalized folks. The Middle Eastern countries don't have enough man power to take out ISIS on their own outside of Egypt perhaps. The only legitimate Muslim countries who could really take out ISIS are Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan, and maybe Indonesia.

[spurraider21]

lol all germans in the 40's wanted to commit mass genocide

lol

[DMX7]

There's condemnation in this country from Muslim leaders. I'm not sure in Europe where there is more radicalized folks. The Middle Eastern countries don't have enough man power to take out ISIS on their own outside of Egypt perhaps. The only legitimate Muslim countries who could really take out ISIS are Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan, and maybe Indonesia.

Saudi Arabia could take out ISIS in Iraq and in Syria almost single-handedly if it wanted to.

[DMX7]

lol all germans in the 40's wanted to commit mass genocide

lol

Get a history lesson. Many Germans didn't even know about it.

[spurraider21]

Get a history lesson. Many Germans didn't even know about it.
did you see the part where i said "lol" twice?

[spurraider21]

I do blame the Nazis.

They were the people who killed other people.

I don't blame Mein Kampf.

Do you understand?

Yes or no.
your textual/literal approach to this forum would make scalia proud

[DMX7]

did you see the part where i said "lol" twice?

I thought you were mocking my statement. Sorry, it was not clear.

[ChumpDumper]

your textual/literal approach to this forum would make scalia proudHey if you think Catcher in the Rye killed John Lennon, that's your belief.

You didn't answer the question.

I do blame the Nazis.

They were the people who killed other people.

I don't blame Mein Kampf.

Do you understand?

Yes or no.

[boutons_deux]

GOPers Clamor For Obama To Cut Cuba Trip Short After Brussels Attacks

Republican leaders criticized President Barack Obama for remaining in Cuba on Tuesday afterterrorist attacks (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/two-explosions-rip-through-brussels-airport-casualties-reported) killed at least 31 people and injured 181 others in Brussels.

GOP presidential candidates Gov. John Kasich (R-OH) and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) both said that the President should cut his planned trip to Latin America short and return to the United States immediately.

“President Obama should be back in the United States keeping this country safe or President Obama should be planning on traveling to Brussels,” Cruz told (https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/712295796058619904) ABC News.

In an interview with Fox’s “America’s Newsroom” ahead of Obama’s scheduled address to the Cuban people (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/world-news/obama-cuba-address-bury-last-remnants-cold-war), Kasich urged the President to tell his audience that he was heading home.

“I hope he will say he's leaving Cuba and heading back to the White House to organize meetings with leaders around the world and get
himself in the position where we can send teams of people to Europe to see what we can do to address the vulnerabilities we have,” the Ohio governor said.

Rep. Pete King (R-NY) joined the GOP candidates’ call, telling Fox News that the president “has to come back.”

“Come back and assert leadership,” King said. “We are the leader of the free world in the fight against ISIS. It's important for ISIS to know that. This is much more important than Cuba. You can't come back in a panic but he has to come back.”

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/republicans-obama-cuba-trip-brussels-attacks?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

Repug Klown BUS! :lol

[DMX7]

Mein Kampf isn't exactly analogous to the Quran.

[Pelicans78]

Saudi Arabia could take out ISIS in Iraq and in Syria almost single-handedly if it wanted to.

They don't have enough man power. They have plenty of artillery to bomb the fuck out of them like they do the Houthis in Yemen, but they don't have enough ground troops to take them out. That's why they're constantly asking Pakistan to help out.

[rmt]

I think what irritates most is that legit Muslims seem to do little or in some cases nothing to expose ISIS phucktards.
Example that section of Belgium that houses many of the tards.
Hard to believe others do not know exactly who they are, what they are doing.

Yep, that last Paris terrorist managed to hide out in his neighborhood for 4? months. There's no way those people living in that area don't know what's going on. They harbor these terrorists. Are they afraid of getting killed themselves why they don't speak up or do they also believe in what they're doing? And the Belgium police can't go into these areas or expect any cooperation.

[DMX7]

They don't have enough man power. They have plenty of artillery to bomb the fuck out of them like they do the Houthis in Yemen, but they don't have enough ground troops to take them out. That's why they're constantly asking Pakistan to help out.

They have like a quarter-million active duty troops (not including reserves). That's more than enough to take out ISIS with minimal help.

[ChumpDumper]

Mein Kampf isn't exactly analogous to the Quran.
What is a better example for the Nazis then?

[Pelicans78]

They have like a quarter-million active duty troops (not including reserves). That's more than enough to take out ISIS with minimal help.

They can't take out the Houthis. Their army is not well-trained and sucks overall.

[DisAsTerBot]

Yep, that last Paris terrorist managed to hide out in his neighborhood for 4? months. There's no way those people living in that area don't know what's going on. They harbor these terrorists. Are they afraid of getting killed themselves why they don't speak up or do they also believe in what they're doing? And the Belgium police can't go into these areas or expect any cooperation.

do you know everything your neighbors are up to?

[Warlord23]

Blaming this on a religious book is kinda missing the point. Most religious texts has some despicable/crazy things in them, not to mention contradictions and fallacies. The problem starts when a majority of people (especially the ones in power) insist that the book is to be followed literally. Countries like the UK or Denmark where Christianity is the state religion don't have laws or government policy based on the Bible.

Most Muslim majority countries use religious law to curb individual rights, discriminate or dispense cruel punishment. Countries like Iran, Iraq and Egypt which used to be secular became religious (the US and UK had a shameful role to play in Iran's conversion, BTW). Turkey is nominally secular, but has increasingly mixed Islam with politics over time. This is the fight that mainstream Muslims should have fought - to keep their religion separate from their politics.

The irony of course is that the most bellicose criticism of political Islam comes from right wing Christians who want to (selectively) use the Bible to guide the legal system, e.g. abortion, gay rights, Nativity scenes on government property, etc. Once that monster is out of the bag, it's difficult to put it back in.

[spurraider21]

Blaming this on a religious book is kinda missing the point. Most religious texts has some despicable/crazy things in them, not to mention contradictions and fallacies. The problem starts when a majority of people (especially the ones in power) insist that the book is to be followed literally. Countries like the UK or Denmark where Christianity is the state religion don't have laws or government policy based on the Bible.

Most Muslim majority countries use religious law to curb individual rights, discriminate or dispense cruel punishment. Countries like Iran, Iraq and Egypt which used to be secular became religious (the US and UK had a shameful role to play in Iran's conversion, BTW). Turkey is nominally secular, but has increasingly mixed Islam with politics over time. This is the fight that mainstream Muslims should have fought - to keep their religion separate from their politics.

The irony of course is that the most bellicose criticism of political Islam comes from right wing Christians who want to (selectively) use the Bible to guide the legal system, e.g. abortion, gay rights, Nativity scenes on government property, etc. Once that monster is out of the bag, it's difficult to put it back in.
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2517195/roseclaps.gif

[clambake]

maybe its the waffles.

[CosmicCowboy]

I honestly don't understand the endgame of these fucking jihadists. What is really accomplished by blowing yourself up in a group of non political, non combatant strangers? So you kill and wound a couple hundred people...how does this advance their cause? What the fuck IS their cause?

[SupremeGuy]

Damn! So close.:lol

[SupremeGuy]

The irony of course is that the most bellicose criticism of political Islam comes from right wing Christians who want to (selectively) use the Bible to guide the legal system, e.g. abortion, gay rights, Nativity scenes on government property, etc. Once that monster is out of the bag, it's difficult to put it back in.I think it's more ironic that the American liberals(feminists, gays, Atheists, etc) that support islam the most are the same people they want to kill.

[boutons_deux]

I think it's more ironic that the liberals that support islam the most are the same people they want to kill.

In your magnificent ignorance and confusion, supporting Muslims' right to practice their religion isn't same as supporting terrorists who are Muslims seeking revenge against Christian US/Europe.

[boutons_deux]

in a general election, Trump, burdened by broad unpopularity, would start the race as an underdog, but many analyses have concluded that he could win the presidency anyway if voters are sufficiently terrified. It feeds into a conventional wisdom that suggest Republicans benefit politically in the wake of terrorism, and Trump specifically benefits even more (http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/past-terrorist-attacks-helped-trump-capitalize-on-anti-muslim-sentiment/).

But the conventional wisdom may not be entirely correct. Yes, Trump has seen a boost in GOP support after attacks in Paris and San Bernardino, but extrapolating to a national audience is a different story. I’m reminded of this (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/11/23/poll-as-republicans-ratchet-up-the-rhetoric-clinton-is-most-trusted-on-terrorism/) Washington Post/ABC News poll we discussed (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/voters-see-clinton-the-most-trustworthy-battling-terror) around Thanksgiving – after the Paris attacks and when Americans were increasingly panicked about refugees.


A crescendo of tough talk on Syrian refugees and terrorism seems to be elevating the toughest talkers in the GOP primary – most notably Donald Trump. But among the broader American public, the most trusted person to handle the issue is Hillary Clinton. […]

By 50 percent to 42 percent, more Americans say they trust Clinton to handle the threat of terrorism than Trump, who leads the Republican field and responded to the Paris terrorist attacks by calling for heightened surveillance of mosques and redoubling his opposition to allowing Syrian refugees to settle in the U.S.


Clinton’s eight-point advantage over Trump wasn’t unique: the same poll showed the Democratic frontrunner also leading the other GOP contenders when respondents were asked, “Who would you trust more to handle the threat of terrorism?”

It’s not the only data available on this. The Washington Post’s Greg Sargent noted (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/03/22/dont-assume-terror-attacks-will-help-donald-trump/) this morning, “A recent Economist/YouGov poll found that only 30 percent of Americans think Trump is ‘ready to be Commander in Chief,’ while 60 percent say he isn’t.

For Hillary Clinton, those numbers are 46-45.”

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/the-unexpected-political-impact-terrorist-violence?cid=sm_fb_maddow

[Warlord23]

I think it's more ironic that the people that support islam the most are the same people they want to kill.

Not really. Those who avoid critique of Islam (I don't think "support" is the right phrase here) might be misguided, but they are still sticking to a principle of not judging every member of a group based on stereotypes. This is misguided because it ignores the way the religion in question affects the structure of Muslim nations and the traits of its citizens. Whereas it is clearly ironic that people who want their faith to drive politics hate it when another faith (Islam) drives the politics of Muslim nations far more deeply than Christianity does at home.

[DMX7]

What is a better example for the Nazis then?

I don't think there is any good example. The Nazi party was in direct opposition with the church, and it was hardly, if at all, using religious texts to justify its actions. Many Islamic extremists on the other hand cite religious texts as justification for their actions and some probably do draw genuinely bad motivation from a literal interpretation of these texts.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't think there is any good example. The Nazi party was in direct opposition with the church, and it was hardly, if at all, using religious texts to justify its actions. Many Islamic extremists on the other hand cite religious texts as justification for their actions and some probably do draw genuinely bad motivation from a literal interpretation of these texts.Still doesn't change anything. Could be the swastika or Hitler's speeches or whatever. Influence is influence, but it's the people doing the killing, not the book.

[Splits]

“President Obama should be back in the United States keeping this country safe or President Obama should be planning on traveling to Brussels,” Cruz told (https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/712295796058619904) ABC News.


:lmao Who listens to this and is like, "yeah, he's right!"? Seriously. This is the stupidest, laziest, and most nonsensical way of thinking. Like the entire government comes to a halt when the President is 90 miles offshore.

[DMX7]

Still doesn't change anything. Could be the swastika or Hitler's speeches or whatever. Influence is influence, but it's the people doing the killing, not the book.

People do things for a reason, and the influence matters.

[DeadlyDynasty]

I honestly don't understand the endgame of these fucking jihadists. What is really accomplished by blowing yourself up in a group of non political, non combatant strangers? So you kill and wound a couple hundred people...how does this advance their cause? What the fuck IS their cause?
To serve notice to Repugs and BigOil, duh

[ChumpDumper]

People do things for a reason, and the influence matters.So you do think Catcher in the Rye killed Lennon.

OK.

[DMX7]

So you do think Catcher in the Rye killed Lennon.

OK.

No, does the "Catcher in the Rye" say to kill John Lennon?

[SupremeGuy]

To serve notice to Repugs and BigOil, duh:lol

[ChumpDumper]

No, does the "Catcher in the Rye" say to kill John Lennon?It told Chapman to kill him.

[DMX7]

It told Chapman to kill him.

Well then that seems more like a mental health issue than anything else.

[ChumpDumper]

Well that seems more like a mental health issue than anything else.Nazism and religious fundamentalism seem like mental health issues to me.

[mingus]

If this is an ISIS attack ... Thanks, Repugs and BigOil for invading Iraq for oil and causing Middle East instability.

Muslims terrorism at least as we know it now existed at least 20 years before the Iraq War & about a decade before the Gulf War. But it's been going on way before that, in Palestine before it was Israel and basically just land controlled by the British Empire in response to (if we broaden the definition of terrorism) Zionist terrorism, which in turn was a response to (again if we broaden the definition) European Anti-Semitism/terrorism (ie Jewish pograms, which led to Jewish diasporas into the region), which was a response to something else, which itself was a response to something else etc.

My point being that, you sound like a damn simpleton fool for concluding that the whole mess of a situation we have in the Middle-East is the result of two groups. It's a history that dates back to over a century ago, truly, & includes numerous aggressors & victims, with all parties involved playing both parts at one time or another. And I've only touched on the tip of the iceberg.

But what we can learn from this--as opposed to trying to justify who the victims & and aggressors may be by arbitrarily using a historical timeline that only confirms your biasis for who is/was what--is that while mistakes of the past can't be undone, they can be mitigated for the future by analyzing what their root causes were/are. What were they? A cocktail of ego, prejudice & unbridled hate/anger. None of that shit solves anything. And in light of what happened today let's choose not let those things dig us into a deeper situation by submitting to them. Terrorism is a two-way street. Don't let the fact that both sides are fighting with different equipment blind you to that fact. It's people not wanting to admit it that makes a by all accounts solvable problem unsolvable.

[clambake]

they're probably waffling on what to do next.

[DMX7]

Nazism and religious fundamentalism seem like mental health issues to me.

They are to some degree.

However, with regard to religious extremism, there’s a difference between doing what a deeply held religious text says to do and having a delusion about the Catcher in the Rye telling you to kill John Lennon.

[MultiTroll]

:lmao Who listens to this and is like, "yeah, he's right!"? Seriously. This is the stupidest, laziest, and most nonsensical way of thinking. Like the entire government comes to a halt when the President is 90 miles offshore.
This.
Unreal this retarded twister has as many votes as he does.

[DMX7]

Cruz thinks Obama is totally incompetent and that perhaps he doesn't even like America, so why is he so concerned about Obama being here?

[spurraider21]

It told Chapman to kill him.
lol

the book talked?

[ChumpDumper]

lol

the book talked?lol

disingenuous as always

[boutons_deux]

"you sound like a damn simpleton fool for concluding that the whole mess of a situation we have in the Middle-East is ..."

... directly caused by Repugs taking down Saddam, invading Iraq on behalf of US/UK BigOil. What we have now is so much uglier, more painful, dangerous, and mortal than what we had before March 2003.

"result of two groups." which two groups are these?

Absolutely nothing like we have now has been present in the Middle East for many decades. Sporadic terrorism for many decades is NOTHING compared to the Repug catastrophe now.

[Splits]

712376326418784257

[DMX7]

Anytime bad things happen some people some where are stupid enough to celebrate it.

[xeromass]

http://www.npr.org/2016/03/22/471423692/brussels-attacks-what-happened-in-photos-and-maps

http://apps.npr.org/dailygraphics/graphics/brussels-attacks-metro-20160322/assets/maelbeek-w.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywJS7swbqeE

[TheSanityAnnex]

https://giant.gfycat.com/BrilliantAridCygnet.gif (https://giant.gfycat.com/BrilliantAridCygnet.gif)

[mingus]

"you sound like a damn simpleton fool for concluding that the whole mess of a situation we have in the Middle-East is ..."

... directly caused by Repugs taking down Saddam, invading Iraq on behalf of US/UK BigOil. What we have now is so much uglier, more painful, dangerous, and mortal than what we had before March 2003.

"result of two groups." which two groups are these?

Absolutely nothing like we have now has been present in the Middle East for many decades. Sporadic terrorism for many decades is NOTHING compared to the Repug catastrophe now.




I won't argue it hasn't been made worse by that. But I think had we not invaded Iraq we still would be dealing with shit like this. Various govts. in the ME have crumbled w/o our help. They'd (terrorists) have operated in those regions. These "sporadic" groups you mentioned got stronger & coelesed as the Internet became more accessible. We're not in Iraq any longer, yet they're still fighting. If it was ALL because of Iraq, we'd have struck a peace deal by now.

It starts with Israel. The West supports Israel. It starts with our Alliance with Saudi Arabia. The West supports SA, and as a by product funds Sunni Extremism, which SA (as well as the other Persisn Gulf countries which are Sunni) benefit from in their power struggle with the Shiite countries (like Iran), who themselves teach & spread their own brand of extremism/hate and support terrorist groups.

The mess in the ME right now was completely unavoidable IMO. The extremism & tension was brewing (albeit more under the surface) long before Iraq, and its origins go way back to just after World War 1, when Great Britain took control of Palestine. There were plenty of attacks then, and also after that point up and up until the present. Shits been in motion now since forever and the top would've came off had we twisted it off or ourselves or not.

[spurraider21]

https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/12239686_492715547568161_3047078796559103007_n.jpg ?oh=4783e88013af7552373f3551ee54705b&oe=574D0DBE

[diego]

Im not celebrating this; but why the surprise? europeans and americans expect middle easterners to just take it up the ass without fighting back? Oh what am I saying, they have oil we depend on, back to blaming them for us not being able to prop a decent oligarch for nearly a century.

[pgardn]

The Nazis are associated with fascism, wars of conquest and mass genocide (among other atrocities).

These are things that the "vast majority" of Germans did NOT want. But in a fascist totalitarian state like Nazi Germany, the actual will of the people is usually an afterthought.

ISIS of course does not represent the vast majority of Islam. But many in the west are inclined to blame it on Islam because Muslims and Muslim leaders, especially in countries that should be taking military action against ISIS, seem to do relatively little to stand up to it. There are so many Muslims and yet you see and hear relatively little condemnation or action taken up against ISIS.

Bfn S. How do you think that totalitarian state came to be? You don't get one of the most efficient, effective killing machines the world has ever seen without cooperation.

After the war

the Germans claim they tried to stop the Nazis, total BS.

Read your history. Germany just got screwed after WW1. Germany was in taters and Hitler said all the right things at the right time. THE GERMAN PEOPLE WENT ALONG FOR THE RIDE IN THE MAJORITY.

I suggest you read The Rise And Fall of The Third Reich.

And your last paragraph was exactly my point. Don't compare these two separate phenomena. Don't blindly mix this shit like you are attempting to do.

[DMX7]

Bfn S. How do you think that totalitarian state came to be? You don't get one of the most efficient, effective killing machines the world has ever seen without cooperation.


Again, the vast majority of Germans did not want the holocaust and the wars and all that shit. The state came to be because they had a fascist who purged/killed/etc. anyone who dissented. Sure, there were plenty of Nazis and Nazi leaders who genuinely embraced it but that's sharply different from overgeneralizing and saying it represented the viewpoint of nearly all 70M Germans.

The general german population was terrified of Hitler's wars because of what happened in WWI. And millions of Germans didn't even know about the Holocaust. This was stuff that was forced on them. The people who actually executed it and thought it was great did not amount to the vast majority of the 70M Germans.

[pgardn]

Again, the vast majority of Germans did not want the holocaust and the wars and all that shit. The state came to be because they had a fascist who purged/killed/etc. anyone who dissented. Sure, there were plenty of Nazis and Nazi leaders who genuinely embraced it but that's sharply different from overgeneralizing and saying it representing the viewpoint of nearly all 70M Germans.

The general german population was terrified of Hitler's wars because of what happened in WWI. And millions of Germans didn't even know about the Holocaust. This was stuff that was forced on them. The people who actually executed it and thought it was great did not amount to the vast majority of the 70M Germans.

What?

You now turn it to the Holocaust?
Hitler denied it emphatically to the German people. When the allies claimed it was going on anyways. Now he did pin much of Germany's woes on Jews but damn...

When the tide turned mid to late 1930s, and Hitler was fully in control, and After the Germans gained land back from WW1, they were energized and staunchly behind him. They believed the lies. Again, you don't get this kind of powerhouse without allegiance to a cause. This was WW2, not terrorist cells being activated. This kind of endeavor takes enormous sacrifice and the Germans were willing. This is not to say the Germans were especially evil people, it's a lesson that this kind of brainwashing fervor can occur anywhere given the proper conditions and Germany was ripe for a cause.

You really need to read the book I mentioned from someone inside Nazi Germany.

Bottom line:

Dont equate the fact that the majority of Muslims are not behind ISIS by claiming the Germans did not like Hitler and the Nazis, especially when they were regaining old battles lost in WW1 via the Blitzkreig.

[DMX7]

What?

You now turn it to the Holocaust?
Hitler denied it emphatically to the German people. When the allies claimed it was going on.

When the tide turned, and Hitler was fully in control, a clear or vast majority of Germans were behind him. After the Germans gained land back from WW1 they were energized and staunchly behind him. They believed the lies. Again, you don't get this kind of powerhouse without allegiance to a cause. This was WW2, not terrorist cells being activated. This kind of endeavor takes enormous sacrifice and the Germans were willing. This is not to say the Germans were especially evil people, it's a lesson that this kind of brainwashing fervor can occur anywhere given the proper conditions and Germany was ripe for a cause.

You really need to read the book I mentioned from someone inside Nazi Germany.

Bottom line:

Dont equate the fact that the majority of Muslims are not behind ISIS by claiming the Germans did not like Hitler and the Nazis, especially when they were regaining old battles lost in WW1 via the Blitzkreig.

The holocaust is closely associated with the Nazis and you said the Nazis represented the vast majority of Germans. That's not hard to understand.

Bottom line is I didn't equate what you just said.

[pgardn]

The holocaust is closely associated with the Nazis and you said the Nazis represented the vast majority of Germans. That's not hard to understand.

Bottom line is I didn't equate what you just said.



The two very different conflicts were mentioned as similar which is what I responded to. Page back.
And the German people were genuinely behind Hitler and the Nazis, Especially during the times I mentioned. Again, this is an entire Nation that conquered mainland Europe.

[DMX7]

The two very different conflicts were mentioned as similar which is what I responded to. Page back.
And the German people were genuinely behind Hitler and the Nazis, Especially during the times I mentioned. Again, this is an entire Nation that conquered mainland Europe.

The military conquered mainland Europe (excluding Switzerland and other states) and it didn't consist of the vast majority of Germans nor do I believe that's really what they ever wanted. Many of Hitler's own generals thought he was a lunatic hence the assassination attempts.

[pgardn]

The military conquered mainland Europe (excluding Switzerland) and it didn't consist of the vast majority of Germans nor do I believe that's really what they ever wanted. Many of Hitler's own generals thought he was a lunatic hence the assassination attempts.

Yes indeed. You are correct. Since approximately 50% of the population before the war were women. There were also old people, babies and kiddos. The younger teenagers did not fight until the war was lost.
Read The Rise and Fall...
Im gonna have to take Shirer over you.

The attempts on his life by generals came when the war was being squandered away. It is well known that the German military were very wary of Hitler but they still backed him, especially when the war was going well.

[CosmicCowboy]

https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/12239686_492715547568161_3047078796559103007_n.jpg ?oh=4783e88013af7552373f3551ee54705b&oe=574D0DBE

That's a massive oversimplification. You could draw similar circles with a huge one for the US population and a tiny one for NBA basketball players. That doesn't reflect the fact that tens of millions of the US population follow and support NBA basketball players.

[spurraider21]

That's a massive oversimplification. You could draw similar circles with a huge one for the US population and a tiny one for NBA basketball players. That doesn't reflect the fact that tens of millions of the US population follow and support NBA basketball players.
if playing professional basketball was a threat to national security, i think the NBA players would be the ones we are afraid of

if isis is the group actually killing people, i think the people within isis are the ones we are concerned about

[DarrinS]

if playing professional basketball was a threat to national security, i think the NBA players would be the ones we are afraid of

if isis is the group actually killing people, i think the people within isis are the ones we are concerned about


It matters because they get money, recruits, support, etc. from their fans

[spurraider21]

It matters because they get money, recruits, support, etc. from their fans
money: do you have any figures of how many of the 1.8 billion muslims are funding isis?
recruits: people who have been recruited are in the isis figure already
support: do you have any figures of how many muslims support isis? before answering, consider that isis is responsible for more muslim deaths than western deaths

[ChumpDumper]

money: do you have any figures of how many of the 1.8 billion muslims are funding isis?
recruits: people who have been recruited are in the isis figure already
support: do you have any figures of how many muslims support isis? before answering, consider that isis is responsible for more muslim deaths than western deathsBetter to just suspect them all and treat them accordingly.

Close the borders! Open up the FEMA camps!

[CosmicCowboy]

money: do you have any figures of how many of the 1.8 billion muslims are funding isis?
recruits: people who have been recruited are in the isis figure already
support: do you have any figures of how many muslims support isis? before answering, consider that isis is responsible for more muslim deaths than western deaths

seriously? You don't acknowledge that ISIS receives huge financial support from (non-ISIS) Saudi Arabia?

[DMX7]

https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/12239686_492715547568161_3047078796559103007_n.jpg ?oh=4783e88013af7552373f3551ee54705b&oe=574D0DBE

You'd never know that considering how little is done by the Muslim population to stop ISIS. The LEAST they could do is speak out against it loudly and clearly. There should be 1.6B Malala Yousafzais shouting at the top of their lungs and taking some type of action to denounce this and stop it, yet there isn't, and there is hardly any meaningful opposition. So essentially, it just makes this look like a Western world vs Muslim world fight.

[boutons_deux]

That's a massive oversimplification. You could draw similar circles with a huge one for the US population and a tiny one for NBA basketball players. That doesn't reflect the fact that tens of millions of the US population follow and support NBA basketball players.

Do you think Ms of US Muslims send money to ISIS, etc?

The Feds have gone after, heavily, only a few US people for "material support" of terrorism.

(Too bad they don't go after 1000s of gun dealers who sell guns to straw buyers, on-line, etc.)

Do you think the Feds/FBI/CIA/NSA/invasive-police-state are missing a huge number of US Muslims who provide support to ISIS, etc?

[DarrinS]

https://i.imgur.com/yMPuliX.jpg

[spurraider21]

You'd never know that considering how little is done by the Muslim population to stop ISIS. The LEAST they could do is speak out against it loudly and clearly. There should be 1.6B Malala Yousafzais shouting at the top of their lungs and taking some type of action to denounce this and stop it, yet there isn't, and there is hardly any meaningful opposition. So essentially, it just makes this look like a Western world vs Muslim world fight.
except we do know that

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_kuC35F06E

[DMX7]

except we do know that

Look at Darrin's graphic above... Yours is an oversimplification.

[boutons_deux]

Over 40% of Americans think human beings have existed for 10K years or less.

[DMX7]

Over 40% of Americans think human beings have existed for 10K years or less.

We have a religious country full of many ignorant people. That's not new news.

[spurraider21]

https://i.imgur.com/yMPuliX.jpg
feel free to read the full findings of that poll... http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-exec/

when you're done please direct me to the "death for leaving islam" stat

[spurraider21]

Look at Darrin's graphic above... Yours is an oversimplification.
his isn't?

[Splits]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_kuC35F06E

:lol

[DMX7]

his isn't?

His gives a lot more context to what that 1.6B believe.

[spurraider21]

His gives a lot more context to what that 1.6B believe.
no. his lacks an incredible amount of context... such as (from the poll the data is based on)

Among Muslims who support making sharia the law of the land, most do not believe that it should be applied to non-Muslims. Only in five of 21 countries where this follow-up question was asked do at least half say all citizens should be subject to Islamic law.

[rmt]

no. his lacks an incredible amount of context... such as (from the poll the data is based on)

Among Muslims who support making sharia the law of the land, most do not believe that it should be applied to non-Muslims. Only in five of 21 countries where this follow-up question was asked do at least half say all citizens should be subject to Islamic law.

It's crazy that even 5 of 21 think we (non-muslims) should be subject to Sharia law.

[spurraider21]

It's crazy that even 5 of 21 think we (non-muslims) should be subject to Sharia law.
and a lot of christian americans want to impose their religious morals on the entirety of the US population, including to non-christians

[vy65]

no. his lacks an incredible amount of context... such as (from the poll the data is based on)

Among Muslims who support making sharia the law of the land, most do not believe that it should be applied to non-Muslims. Only in five of 21 countries where this follow-up question was asked do at least half say all citizens should be subject to Islamic law.

It's not exhaustive, it's a poll, so take it with a grain of salt.

I find it interesting that they didn't poll anyone in the most conservative "Islamic" states (Saudi and Kuwait)

[DMX7]

no. his lacks an incredible amount of context... such as (from the poll the data is based on)

Among Muslims who support making sharia the law of the land, most do not believe that it should be applied to non-Muslims. Only in five of 21 countries where this follow-up question was asked do at least half say all citizens should be subject to Islamic law.

These are details, of course there are varying degrees of belief. I think that is understood. Regardless, these are mostly not western values.

[spurraider21]

It's not exhaustive, it's a poll, so take it with a grain of salt.

I find it interesting that they didn't poll anyone in the most conservative "Islamic" states (Saudi and Kuwait)
of course it's not exhaustive. i was responding to the graphic posted by darrin which is (quite loosely) based on that very same non-exhaustive poll

[CosmicCowboy]

and a lot of christian americans want to impose their religious morals on the entirety of the US population, including to non-christians

:lmao

I assume you re taking about right to life proponents as it relates to abortion.

There is a huge distance from that to beheading people for having premarital sex or even somehow "insulting Islam" in their speech.

[spurraider21]

These are details, of course there are varying degrees of belief. I think that is understood. Regardless, these are mostly not western values.
if you want a good lesson about western morals read up on the history of marital rape laws in the US

[spurraider21]

:lmao

I assume you re taking about right to life proponents as it relates to abortion.

There is a huge distance from that to beheading people for having premarital sex or even somehow "insulting Islam" in their speech.
relating to many things, not just abortion. i didn't say we are as extreme here, there's a reason i'm glad i live in the US

saudi arabia is the only country that uses beheading in punishment

[DarrinS]

feel free to read the full findings of that poll... http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-exec/

when you're done please direct me to the "death for leaving islam" stat


http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

p.55 covers apostasy

[TheSanityAnnex]

feel free to read the full findings of that poll... http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-exec/

when you're done please direct me to the "death for leaving islam" stat




http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-religion-and-politics/#suicide-bombing (http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-religion-and-politics/#suicide-bombing)
Suicide Bombinghttp://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/gsi2-chp2-9.png

In most of the 21 countries where the question was asked few Muslims endorse suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets as a means of defending Islam against its enemies. But in a few countries, substantial minorities believe suicide bombing can be often justified or sometimes justified.


Muslims in some countries surveyed in South Asia and the Middle East-North Africa region are more likely than Muslims elsewhere to consider suicide bombing justified. Four-in-ten Palestinian Muslims see suicide bombing as often or sometimes justified, while roughly half (49%) take the opposite view.
In Egypt, about three-in-ten (29%) consider suicide bombing justified at least sometimes. Elsewhere in the region, fewer Muslims believe such violence is often or sometimes justified, including fewer than one-in-five in Jordan (15%) and about one-in-ten in Tunisia (12%), Morocco (9%) and Iraq (7%).

In Afghanistan, a substantial minority of Muslims (39%) say that this form of violence against civilian targets is often or sometimes justifiable in defense of Islam. In Bangladesh, more than a quarter of Muslims (26%) take this view. Support for suicide bombing is lower in Pakistan (13%).

In the countries surveyed in Central Asia and Southern and Eastern Europe, fewer than one-in-six Muslims consider suicide bombing justified in Turkey (15%), Kosovo (11%) and Kyrgyzstan (10%). Elsewhere in these two regions, even fewer say this tactic can be justified.

In Southeast Asia, Malaysian Muslims are more likely than Indonesian Muslims to consider suicide bombing justifiable (18% vs. 7%).

[spurraider21]

http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

p.55 covers apostasy
ah, thanks, the apostasy term was slipping my mind

[turkish spurs fan]

brussels attacker, ibrahim el bakravi, was deported by turkey to belgium in july 2015. but was released as belgium did not establish terror links with the suspect despite turkey warnings.

[mingus]

That's a massive oversimplification. You could draw similar circles with a huge one for the US population and a tiny one for NBA basketball players. That doesn't reflect the fact that tens of millions of the US population follow and support NBA basketball players.

Not only that, but just a basic thing you can take from this, and any other kind of statistic really that tries to say something about a trend or whatever and quantifies it against the % of the population at large, is that you have to figure that a ton of the people accounted probably can't even tie their shoes, so to speak. Let alone have any legitimate feelings about ISIS. The numbers in the graph, which I'm not sure how reliable or remarkable they are in the first place (I've looked at other graphs/statistics that tell a different story, I'll paste & link one below), are skewed at least a little from the start, in a very basic way. Not sure exactly by how much, but I'm sure if I bothered to research it, by looking at population numbers of certain age groups, we could come up with a fairer & more telling graph.

(Here's the graph I referred to ^, the link to the site it comes from is after it.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/webkit-fake-url://5f5f4cc3-baae-4312-824e-c4cc43cce358/imagepng

http://i0.wp.com/metrocosm.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/what-muslims-really-think-of-isis.png.

I'm not sure if this graph includes non-Muslim people in the populations within those countries or not. Assuming they don't hold favorable opinions of ISIS to the extent that Muslims do, if they are it might skew the graph to some extent. Also, I assume it includes the entire population number as opposed to just adults (like how I said the other one did).

There are other things my and the other graph don't bear out. The most obvious and probably the most significant being that, adolescents and young adults are more likely to sympathize with Muslim extremism. For several reasons, but probably mostly because they're exposed to it via the Internet, ISIS & other groups' main recruitment tool, more than older generations. I can't at the moment easily retrieve the several articles I've read that talked about it, but they showed a pretty dramatic difference b/w the different age groups in their respect feelings toward extremism in the Muslim populations of France & Great Britain, respectively.

I think any way you look at it, one thing that no graph can quantify, and why it's more than just about the numbers, is the who & what. Muslim Extremism--as ANY other kind of ideology, but esp. in terms of religion--is a form of zealotry. But because it is believed to have the definitive answers to morality, the fidelity to which salvation is dependent, it can inspire just a relative small number, or minority, to affect society to an extent that isn't reflected in numbers, graphs, etc. IOW, people can get caught up in the numbers and ignore the belief system. Generalizing is dangerous, but so is acting like it's Unremarkable that only "a few million" agree with them.

[spurraider21]

the real question is should we fear people who hold certain beliefs or should we fear the people who are acting violently and blowing things up?

if i'm a fag in the US, im not going to fear some farmer from kansas who thinks gays should be killed. i'm going to fear hate groups who are actually taking matters into their own hands and being violent

[MultiTroll]

I'm waiting to hear what, if any methods were used to get punk ass Abdeslam to talk.

[DarrinS]

the real question is should we fear people who hold certain beliefs or should we fear the people who are acting violently and blowing things up?

if i'm a fag in the US, im not going to fear some farmer from kansas who thinks gays should be killed. i'm going to fear hate groups who are actually taking matters into their own hands and being violent


I understand what you're saying, but those Brussels bombers just looked like regular dudes pushing luggage carts.

[spurraider21]

I understand what you're saying, but those Brussels bombers just looked like regular dudes pushing luggage carts.
isis claimed credit for the attacks. if true, these fellas would fit into the small isis bubble in that graphic i posted. whether or not they "looked like" regular dudes is irrelevant. they were isis... which is far beyond just being some muslim guy in his house who has some harsh beliefs but does't actually kill people or act on those beliefs

[FuzzyLumpkins]

the real question is should we fear people who hold certain beliefs or should we fear the people who are acting violently and blowing things up?

if i'm a fag in the US, im not going to fear some farmer from kansas who thinks gays should be killed. i'm going to fear hate groups who are actually taking matters into their own hands and being violent

The two notions are not mutually exclusive. False dichotomy. Many hadith encourage violence. Christianity is much the same but they pick and chose out leviticus and much of what paul said.

The schism is apparent in Islam with a minority who says the Quran is whole and complete and reject hadith and then the 80% majority who believe in the Hadith as indicated by their support of Sharia law. If you pick and choose in the Muslim world you get the sword.

[spurraider21]

The two notions are not mutually exclusive. False dichotomy. Many hadith encourage violence. Christianity is much the same but they pick and chose out leviticus and much of what paul said.

The schism is apparent in Islam with a minority who says the Quran is whole and complete and reject hadith and then the 80% majority who believe in the Hadith as indicated by their support of Sharia law. If you pick and choose in the Muslim world you get the sword.
what is mutually exclusive is if said muslim

a) acts on those beliefs, ie killing people, beheading people, suicide bombing
or
b) doesn't act on those beliefs - particularly with violence (vast majority)

[DarrinS]

isis claimed credit for the attacks. if true, these fellas would fit into the small isis bubble in that graphic i posted. whether or not they "looked like" regular dudes is irrelevant. they were isis... which is far beyond just being some muslim guy in his house who has some harsh beliefs but does't actually kill people or act on those beliefs


Fair enough. Tell me how I should distinguish an ISIS suicide bomber from a moderate Muslim.

[spurraider21]

Fair enough. Tell me how I should distinguish an ISIS suicide bomber from a moderate Muslim.
by appearance alone? you can't really. same way you can't distinguish somebody who's about to watch a movie from somebody who's about to shoot up the theater

its not a comforting answer, but profiling puts innocent people at risk, too. that shouldn't be something the government endorses (putting innocents at risk)

[FuzzyLumpkins]

what is mutually exclusive is if said muslim

a) acts on those beliefs, ie killing people, beheading people, suicide bombing
or
b) doesn't act on those beliefs - particularly with violence (vast majority)

Just because both are not present in all cases doesn't make it any less a false dichotomy.

As far as I'm concerned much like with Christians who claim the Bible is the revealed word of God, Muslims who say the Quran and Hadith are literally the revealed word of God are part of the problem.

I'm not advocating punitive remedies but its there nonetheless.

Is a vote an act? If you vote in support of Sharia law you are assenting to violence and oppression.

[spurraider21]

Just because both are not present in all cases doesn't make it any less a false dichotomy.

As far as I'm concerned much like with Christians who claim the Bible is the revealed word of God, Muslims who say the Quran and Hadith are literally the revealed word of God are part of the problem.

I'm not advocating punitive remedies but its there nonetheless.

Is a vote an act? If you vote in support of Sharia law you are assenting to violence and oppression.
it's not a false dichotomy even if you keep saying it is. there are people who act on their beliefs with violence, and people that don't

a vote is not violence. again, to an example i used earlier, should a gay man in the US fear for his safety when it comes to an individual who believes gays should be put to death (and might vote accordingly), or should he fear an individual who actually kills gays? sure, the potential effects from voting patterns are there, but i'm speaking of imminent danger, which is what we refer to in the context of isis/terorrists

[Spurminator]

Fair enough. Tell me how I should distinguish an ISIS suicide bomber from a moderate Muslim.

You distinguish by knowing where you are. If you're in America, you are most likely surrounded by people who are more likely to be criminals than that Muslim you're skeptical of.

[MultiTroll]

Turkey now claiming it gave Belgium warnings that one of the Buttf Bombers was with ISIS.

Israel taking it a step further claiming:
The Israeli newspaper Haaretz (http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/1.710572) reported Wednesday that Belgian security services, as well as other Western intelligence agencies, had “advance and precise intelligence” of the pending terror attacks prior to Tuesday. The newspaper said authorities had specific warning the attacks were coming soon and would take place at the airport and in the subway system.
It was not clear how authorities were allegedly warned of the attacks in advance,....
Faux News link
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/03/23/turkey-says-belgium-ignored-warning-about-jihadi-bomber.html?intcmp=hpbt1

[spurraider21]

Bizzare

[FuzzyLumpkins]

it's not a false dichotomy even if you keep saying it is. there are people who act on their beliefs with violence, and people that don't

a vote is not violence

and there are people who act violently because of their beliefs.

I get that you want to separate violence and belief but belief can and does cause violence. Every vote for Sharia law does as much.

[Splits]

and there are people who act violently because of their beliefs.

I get that you want to separate violence and belief but belief can and does cause violence. Every vote for Sharia law does as much.

What about voting for candidates that want to continue having robots drop bombs on Muslim countries? We're all guilty of that.

[boutons_deux]

and there are people who act violently because of their beliefs.

I get that you want to separate violence and belief but belief can and does cause violence. Every vote for Sharia law does as much.

Bible humpers harass violently, murder PP and other women's health clinic people, because they believe that's what their God wants. Same with Christian violence against LGBT.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Just getting started

The Associated Press ‏@AP 2h2 hours ago (https://twitter.com/AP/status/712719419227635712) BREAKING: The Islamic State group has trained at least 400 fighters to target Europe in deadly waves, the AP has learned.

[spurraider21]

and there are people who act violently because of their beliefs.

I get that you want to separate violence and belief but belief can and does cause violence. Every vote for Sharia law does as much.
i'm not separating violence and belief. i'm separate violence from nonviolence, regardless of belief. i'm separating the racist guy sitting at home vs the kkk member burning houses

[TheSanityAnnex]

The Islamic State group has trained at least 400 fighters to target Europe in deadly waves of attacks, deploying interlocking terror cells like the ones that struck Brussels and Paris with orders to choose the time, place and method for maximum carnage, officials have told The Associated Press.
The network of agile and semiautonomous cells shows the reach of the extremist group in Europe even as it loses ground in Syria and Iraq. The officials, including European and Iraqi intelligence officials and a French lawmaker who follows the jihadi networks, described camps in Syria, Iraq and possibly the former Soviet bloc where attackers are trained to attack the West. Before being killed in a police raid, the ringleader of the Nov. 13 Paris attacks claimed he had entered Europe in a multinational group of 90 fighters, who scattered "more or less everywhere."
But the biggest break yet in the Paris attacks investigation — the arrest on Friday of fugitive Salah Abdeslam— did not thwart the multipronged attack just four days later on the Belgian capital's airport and metro that left 31 people dead and an estimated 270 wounded. Three suicide bombers also died.


Just as in Paris, Belgian authorities were searching for at least one fugitive in Tuesday's attacks — this time for a man wearing a white jacket who was seen on airport security footage with the two suicide attackers. The fear is that the man, whose identity Belgian officials say is not known, will find Abdeslam's path instructive.
After fleeing Paris immediately after the November attacks, Abdeslam forged a new network back in his childhood neighborhood of Molenbeek, long known as a haven for jihadis, and renewed plotting, according to Belgian Foreign Minister Didier Reynders.
"Not only did he drop out of sight, but he did so to organize another attack, with accomplices everywhere. With suicide belts. Two attacks organized just like in Paris. And his arrest, since they knew he was going to talk, it was a response: 'So what if he was arrested? We'll show you that it doesn't change a thing,'" said French Senator Nathalie Goulet, co-head of a commission tracking jihadi networks.
Estimates range from 400 to 600 Islamic State fighters trained specifically for external attacks, according to the officials, including Goulet. Some 5,000 Europeans have gone to Syria.
"The reality is that if we knew exactly how many there were, it wouldn't be happening," she said.
Two of the suicide bombers in Tuesday's attacks, brothers Ibrahim and Khalid El Bakraoui, had no known extremist links until an apartment one of them rented was traced to Abdeslam last week, according to Belgian state broadcaster RTBF. Similarly, an Algerian killed inside that apartment on March 15 had nothing but a petty theft record in Sweden — but he'd signed up as an Islamic State suicide bomber for the group in 2014 and returned to Europe as part of the Nov. 13 plot


In claiming responsibility, the Islamic State group described a "secret cell of soldiers" dispatched to Brussels for the purpose. The shadowy cells were confirmed by Europol — the EU police agency which said in a late January report that intelligence officials believed the group had "developed an external action command trained for special forces-style attacks."
French speakers with links to North Africa, France and Belgium appear to be leading the units and are responsible for developing attack strategies in Europe, said a European security official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak about briefing material. He is also familiar with interrogations of former fighters who have returned to Europe. Some were jailed after leaving IS while others were kicked out of the terror group. The fighters include Muslims and Muslim converts from all across Europe.
Fighters in the units are trained in battleground strategies, explosives, surveillance techniques and counter surveillance, the security official said.
"The difference is that in 2014, some of these IS fighters were only being given a couple weeks of training," he said. "Now the strategy has changed. Special units have been set up. The training is longer. And the objective appears to no longer be killing as many people as possible but rather to have as many terror operations as possible, so the enemy is forced to spend more money or more in manpower. It's more about the rhythm of terror operations now."
Similar methods had been developed by al-Qaida but IS has taken it to a new level, he said. Another difference with these "external operation" units is that fighters are being trained to be their own operators — not necessarily to be beholden to specific orders from the IS stronghold in Raqqa, Syria, or elsewhere.
In the case of Tuesday's attacks, Abdeslam's arrest may have been a trigger for a plot that was already far along.
"This was not put together as a response to the arrest. However the timing of what has happened over the last few days has maybe hurried up the planning and execution," said Magnus Ranstorp, a Swedish security analyst. "I see the link to the environments either in France or in Belgium. Whether they're logistically linked ... they're probably part of the same batch of extremists that have come out of Syria."
Several security officials have said there is growing evidence to suggest the bulk of the training is taking place in Syria, Libya and elsewhere in North Africa.
"To pull off an attack of this sophistication, you need training, planning, materials and a landscape," said Shiraz Maher, a senior research fellow at the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation in London.
Maher has conducted extensive interviews with foreign fighters. The research center, based at Kings College in London, has one of the largest databases of fighters and their networks.
"Even if they worked flat out, the attackers in Brussels would have needed at least four days," Maher said.
The question for many intelligence and security officials is now turning to just how many more fighters have been trained and are ready for more attacks.
A senior Iraqi intelligence official who was not authorized to speak publicly said people from the cell that carried out the Paris attacks are scattered across Germany, Britain, Italy, Denmark and Sweden. Recently, a new group crossed in from Turkey, the official said.
The latest new name to surface this week, Najim Laachraoui, turned out to be the bombmaker who made the suicide vests used in the Paris attacks, according to French and Belgian officials. Attackers used an explosive known as Triacetone Triperoxide, or TATP, made from common household chemicals. DNA evidence indicates he died on Tuesday in the suicide attack on the airport, two officials briefed on the investigation told AP.
Fifteen kilos of TATP were found in an apartment linked to the Brussels attackers, along with other explosive material.
The unidentified man seen on security footage wearing a white jacket and black hat at the Brussels airport on Tuesday remains at large, a fugitive link in a chain still being forged.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/03/23/is-trains-400-fighters-to-attack-europe-in-wave-bloodshed.html

[spurraider21]

hopefully john oliver can kill all the terrorists again like he did after the france attacks tbh

[FuzzyLumpkins]

i'm not separating violence and belief. i'm separate violence from nonviolence, regardless of belief. i'm separating the racist guy sitting at home vs the kkk member burning houses

You're splitting hairs to the point of being meaningless. Mostly sounds like you are exonerating yourself.

[spurraider21]

You're splitting hairs to the point of being meaningless. Mostly sounds like you are exonerating yourself.
if differentiating between people who commit violent acts and people who don't commit violent acts in a conversation about terrorism is splitting hairs, then fine

what exactly do you think i'm exonerating myself of?

[TheSanityAnnex]

EbINrdyAXlE

[TheSanityAnnex]

Will Poland's Prime Minister be labeled a racist like Trump?

http://www.thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/245910,Poland-will-not-take-in-any-immigrants-PM-Szydlo

Poland will not take in any immigrants: PM Szydło

Signalling what appeared to be a shift in government policy, Szydło said: “I do not see how Poland could take in immigrants at the moment.” Her comments came a day after a series of blasts in the Belgian capital killed over 30 people and injured more than 250. “The previous government vouched to take in refugees. It agreed to accept several thousand people, who could come to Poland on a voluntary basis. A total of 28 EU countries agreed to it: to solve this problem through relocation.

"But I say it very clearly: I do not see how Poland could take on any immigrants in the present circumstances,” Szydło told the Superstacja broadcaster. Government spokesman Rafał Bochenek said the current system of checks on refugees coming to Europe from the Middle East was not working efficiently. “We cannot... allow a situation to develop whereby the events that are now happening in Western Europe spread to Poland. Many such events have taken place in the past few months and we want to protect Polish citizens from that,” Bochenek added.

In an earlier interview, Polish Foreign Minister Witold Waszczykowski said: “We can’t settle [the refugees] here. What are we supposed to do? Keep them in camps? They don’t want to live in Poland. They don’t know Poland. "They know that we can provide about EUR 100 per month per person [in state benefits]. In Belgium, it’s EUR 60 a day. That’s another problem. Open borders, lack of jobs. “We have two million young emigrants living in Germany, in the UK. And 1.5 million jobless people here in Poland. I can say to the Syrians, ‘Yes, you are welcome, but what are you going to do here? Live on the streets?’,” Waszczykowski told the Carnegie Europe magazine.

Unhappy at deal The Law and Justice (PiS) party, which swept to power in October, had previously said Poland would accept 7,000 refugees - albeit under certain conditions - over the next two years, in line with a pledge by the previous government. But PIS had been hinting it was unhappy at the agreement by the former government led by Civic Platform to accept some 7,000 migrants as part of an EU-wide programme to resettle 150,000 asylum seekers from Syria and Eritrea who are currently in camps in Italy and Greece. (rg/pk) - See more at: http://www.thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/245910,Poland-will-not-take-in-any-immigrants-PM-Szydlo#sthash.MzSeu8XU.dpuf

[spurraider21]

trump wasn't just anti-refugee, he was against any muslim immigration regardless of circumstance or country of origin

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

They caught the brothers on the 16th and let them go. This information is being scrubbed from the internet

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/652985/Paris-attacks-terrorist-suspects-arrested-Brussels-police-raid

Brothers Khalid and Ibrahim El Bakraoui, who were named in Belgian media, are believed to be the two men detained after fleeing the scene yesterday afternoon.

The men are reportedly known for their links with violent crime in the Brussels area.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Here is another. http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2016/03/16/shootout-turns-brussels-suburb-into-warzone/

Two brothers Khalid and Ibrahim El Bakraoui were reportedly detained according to the media when one of the brothers showed up at a hospital with a broken leg. The other brother was found hiding in a house police were searching. The two brothers were known to have links to violent crime in the Brussels area.

[CosmicCowboy]

trump wasn't just anti-refugee, he was against any muslim immigration regardless of circumstance or country of origin

As usual, the libble sheeple leave off the rest of the statement (until coming up with a more effective way to screen the refugees?)

I'm no trump fanboy but I'm sick of seeing this same bullshit repeated over and over when it is totally out of context.

[TheSanityAnnex]

They caught the brothers on the 16th and let them go. This information is being scrubbed from the internet

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/652985/Paris-attacks-terrorist-suspects-arrested-Brussels-police-raid

Brothers Khalid and Ibrahim El Bakraoui, who were named in Belgian media, are believed to be the two men detained after fleeing the scene yesterday afternoon.

The men are reportedly known for their links with violent crime in the Brussels area.

fuuuuucked up

[spurraider21]

As usual, the libble sheeple leave off the rest of the statement (until coming up with a more effective way to screen the refugees?)

I'm no trump fanboy but I'm sick of seeing this same bullshit repeated over and over when it is totally out of context.
"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on," a campaign press release said.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration


lol thinking i'm among the "libble sheeple"...

[rmt]

"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on," a campaign press release said.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration



I think this is what CC means.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

The one brother unloaded on a cop with an AK, got 9 years out in less than 5, caught associating with the France attacker and its not even a parole violation? I can't believe there wasn't a hold put on them

http://i.imgur.com/5MYf6by.jpg

[spurraider21]

I think this is what CC means.
no, CC made specific reference to refugees and screening processes. trump's ban is on all muslim immigrants, not just muslim refugees

[Pelicans78]

Just because both are not present in all cases doesn't make it any less a false dichotomy.

As far as I'm concerned much like with Christians who claim the Bible is the revealed word of God, Muslims who say the Quran and Hadith are literally the revealed word of God are part of the problem.

I'm not advocating punitive remedies but its there nonetheless.

Is a vote an act? If you vote in support of Sharia law you are assenting to violence and oppression.

Could you imagine how different the Muslim world would be without the hadiths? I always wondered Muslims equate the hadiths as the word of God when there are over a thousand hadiths and many of them are not proven to be authenticated.

[spurraider21]

The one brother unloaded on a cop with an AK, got 9 years out in less than 5, caught associating with the France attacker and its not even a parole violation? I can't believe there wasn't a hold put on them

http://i.imgur.com/5MYf6by.jpg
the armenpress article in your picture doesn't make any reference to any specific names...
http://armenpress.am/eng/news/839579/brussels-raid-high-alert-after-paris-linked-raid.html

but yeah, i've come across several news outlets that DID specifically name the bakraoui brothers being detained... but then that nbc article says they were ALMOST captured.

whole situation is eerie

[ChumpDumper]

They caught the brothers on the 16th and let them go. This information is being scrubbed from the internet

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/652985/Paris-attacks-terrorist-suspects-arrested-Brussels-police-raid

Brothers Khalid and Ibrahim El Bakraoui, who were named in Belgian media, are believed to be the two men detained after fleeing the scene yesterday afternoon.

The men are reportedly known for their links with violent crime in the Brussels area.How is it being scrubbed from the internet if you just gave us a link to a story about it on the internet?

[CosmicCowboy]

BRUSSELS—In the wake of the terrorist attacks in Brussels that left over 30 dead and more than 100 injured, an angry and frustrated global populace collectively announced Tuesday that it would make one last attempt to try to understand this shit.

Visibly exasperated residents from every country around the world told reporters that, after enduring so much similarly horrific shit in recent years, they would give comprehending barbaric acts of violence against innocent civilians and the intensely complex network of factors that motivate them “one more shot” before simply throwing their hands up and giving up entirely.

“Okay, this is it—I swear to God this is the last time I’m going to sit here and try to make some sense of why these things keep happening, why these people are so angry, and what, if anything, we can possibly do to stop them,” said 48-year-old Medford, OR resident Adam Bennett, taking a deep breath and steeling himself for one last effort to gain some insight into this fucking horrible shit. “Look, I’ve tried. I’ve tried to sympathize with the struggles of people in impoverished and war-torn countries. I’ve read about fundamentalist religious beliefs, and even the economic issues that lead to violence. But I still don’t get it, and to be perfectly honest with you, at this point, I don’t know if I ever will.”

“So whatever I learn today is just going to have to do for all the attacks and bombings from here on out, because I’ve had it—I’ve fucking had it,” Bennett continued. “I’m done.”

“The thing is, maybe there isn’t anything to understand at all. Maybe this can’t even be comprehended, no matter how hard we try.”
According to sources, the inhabitants of every one of the world’s nations plan to “give it a few more hours, tops” to figure out geopolitical and religious tensions throughout the Middle East; the continuing destabilizing effects of U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan; the rise and expansion of ISIS; regional turmoil as a result of the Syrian civil war; centuries-long strife between Muslims, Jews, and Christians; centuries-long strife between Sunni and Shiite Muslims; unrest stemming from British and French governments dividing the Middle East into sovereign states during World War I; the vested interests of Western nations in Middle Eastern oil resources; the ongoing radicalization of young Muslims living in the West; and ultimately, what possible psychological conditions could actually lead a person, even under extreme duress, to make the conscious decision to take the lives of so many others who are simply and peacefully going about their daily lives.

Noting repeatedly that they are “sick and fucking tired” of attempting to gain some understanding of this bullshit, citizens of Europe, Africa, North and South America, Australia, and Asia all confirmed that, at this point, they’re willing to sit down and read maybe one or two more articles and opinion pieces on the subject before calling it quits.

Many across the world, however, told reporters they didn’t hold much hope for making any sort of breakthrough as to why this shit keeps happening again and again, noting that their past efforts to achieve some sort of perspective certainly hadn’t made it any easier to wake up to news that dozens of men, women, and children were yet again savagely murdered in a public place by a bunch of fanatics convinced that the shit they were doing was somehow justified.

“You know, I could sit here my entire life trying to figure this shit out, and I probably still wouldn’t fully understand it,” said 57-year-old Patrice Gomis of Dakar, Senegal. “The thing is, maybe there isn’t anything to understand at all. Maybe this can’t even be comprehended, no matter how hard we try.”

“Well,” Gomis added, sighing, “I guess I’ll give it one more go.”

Reached for comment, government leaders from hundreds of nations expressed similar frustrations over their attempts to make sense of this fucking shit and come up with any realistic ways to prevent the same awful shit from happening in the future.

“The attacks in Brussels this morning were appalling, tragic, and utterly senseless, and our thoughts are with the victims and their families,” said U.N. secretary-general Ban Ki-moon at a press conference in New York City. “Seriously, what the fuck is even happening anymore? Why is the world like this? I’m the secretary-general of the goddamn United Nations and even I don’t understand this shit. Why would anyone ever do this?”

“If anyone has any ideas, please contact me right away,” he added, “because seriously, this is the last fucking time I put in any effort to figure this shit out.”

Despite making one more honest effort to comprehend the causes behind it, the worldwide populace sadly confirmed that they already fully understand that this shit will continue happening unabated for the foreseeable future.

[mingus]

As usual, the libble sheeple leave off the rest of the statement (until coming up with a more effective way to screen the refugees?)

I'm no trump fanboy but I'm sick of seeing this same bullshit repeated over and over when it is totally out of context.

There are at least a couple ways you can interpret that statement.

The first one is the way many people, both liberals and conservatives but mainly liberals, have looked at it. Which is that it's discriminatory. On its face it certainly seems to be true. When coupled with his other rhetoric that alienates & demonizes other groups, it fits that narrative. I get it, and I wouldn't blame anyone for believing this taking exception to it.

OTOH, his "temporary ban" can be looked at in a different light. I'd like for him to get into more specifics on it--but like everything he says, he hasn't--in order to figure out what his end-goal is here and how he plans to achieve it with the temporary ban. He says "we've got to figure out why they hate us". It's a fair question that doesn't leave out the possibility that we and/or our allies have, and have had, a hand in it. The ban sounds like a shitty idea, but IF one of the things it means is that it will give us some pause to try and really figure out why things are the way they are, and among other things what WE can/have to do to help it, then I understand it. I don't think a temporary ban is needed, but it puts a spotlight on the issue. I think that assessment of his statement is probably a bit far-fetched tho.

[~O~]

Heh...didn't hear shit about this till I clicked internet explorer....took me a day and a half. Jesus.

[spurraider21]

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/03/24/world/europe/brussels-explosives-tatp.html?_r=0&referer=https://www.google.com/

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/03/24/world/europe/brussels-explosives-tatp.html?_r=0&referer=https://www.google.com/
Makes no sense that the bomb maker killed himself

[boutons_deux]

"one last attempt to try to understand this shit"

I doubt the global populace, which repeatedly votes AMERICA the greatest threat to world peace, is confused.

America invaded Iraq for oil, destabilized the region, leading to 100Ks dead, Ms of refugees, while swearing support to Israel's genocide of Palestinians.

Bataclan, 9/11, Zaventum, San Bernardino, etc are nothing but MUSLIM REVENGE, by people who have seen their friends, family, villages, countries displaced, killed, maimed, poisoned, fucked up, revenge against USA, UK, etc for invading and fucking up Muslim countries.

[boutons_deux]

When the going gets tough, some Republicans fall to pieces

Hillary Clinton delivered remarks in Seattle last night and responded to the deadly terrorism in Brussels, while also pushing back against Republican rhetoric. “The last thing we need, my friends, are leaders who incite more fear,” Clinton said (http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/03/23/hillary-clinton-attacks-donald-trump-in-arizona-victory-speech/). “In the face of terror, America doesn’t panic. We don’t build walls or turn our backs on our allies.”

It was, to be sure, a nice sentiment, though Republicans spent the day arguing that inciting fear and panicking are perfectly viable options. The Huffington Post had a good summary (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/conservatives-brussels-attacks_us_56f169a9e4b03a640a6bbd4f):

Many people opened their hearts (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/internet-brussels-solidarity_us_56f12e6ee4b084c6722148da)and their doors to those (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/internet-brussels-solidarity_us_56f12e6ee4b084c6722148da) affected by Tuesday’s Brussels attacks (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/brussels-airport-explosions_us_56f0f754e4b084c6722146dc) that killed more than 30 and injured at least 200 people on Tuesday. Some evendonated blood (http://www.croix-rouge.be/actualites/nouvelles/attentats-a-bruxelles-les-secours-mobilises/).

But prominent conservatives used the tragedy to draw links with refugees and border closures, and promote other extremist agendas.

It’s an eery reminder of the hateful rhetoric (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/republican-governors-syrian-refugees_us_564a0ef9e4b06037734a0209) that abounded in the wake of the November attacks on Paris (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/paris-terrorist-attack/), when more than half of U.S. governors demanded to stop all Syrian refugee arrivals.


It’s safe to say this wasn’t the right’s finest hour. The top two Republican presidential candidates spent much of yesterday taking turns saying offensive things. Donald Trump and Ted Cruz collectively talked up torture, border closings, and discrimination, with minimal regard for reason. The Texas senator even endorsed the idea that security conditions would improve if only President Obama would adopt the rhetorical phrasing (https://newrepublic.com/minutes/131883/republican-candidates-spent-morning-politicizing-brussels-terrorist-attacks) that conservatives prefer.

In other words, in the face of deadly terrorism, leading Republicans generally slipped into incoherence. Offered an opportunity to show their steady hands when the pressure is on, the GOP’s would-be presidents gave in to their worst instincts and put on a hysterical show for the public.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/when-the-going-gets-tough-some-republicans-fall-pieces?cid=sm_fb_maddow

[MultiTroll]

“Last week’s arrest of Abdelslam and failure to detect and disrupt a major terrorist attack similar to that of Paris suggests a far more ominous counterterrorism problem in Europe — incompetence,” Clint Watts ex FBI said.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/complaints-grow-that-belgium-bungled-security-before-attacks/ar-BBqRmsm?ocid=spartanntp

[SpursforSix]

wtf...this is Danny who sells me Starburst and Dr. Pepper.

https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HS.77992967612&pid=15.1&rs=1&c=1&qlt=95&w=307&h=216#inline

[TheSanityAnnex]

It’s an eery reminder of the hateful rhetoric (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/republican-governors-syrian-refugees_us_564a0ef9e4b06037734a0209) that abounded in the wake of the November attacks on Paris (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/paris-terrorist-attack/), when more than half of U.S. governors demanded to stop all Syrian refugee arrivals.







Yet you and Maddow don't call the Prime Minister of Poland's statement hateful rhetoric.

[ChumpDumper]

Yet you and Maddow don't call the Prime Minister of Poland's statement hateful rhetoric.Remind me -- are the EU and US vetting process exactly the same, TSA?

Yes or no.

[TheSanityAnnex]

HsTJaP2tC0A

Whiiiiiite Kniiiiiiiiiiiiiight

[ChumpDumper]

That dodge was positively Avante-esque.

You didn't answer the question, TSA.
Remind me -- are the EU and US vetting process exactly the same, TSA?

Yes or no.

[TheSanityAnnex]

That dodge was positively Avante-esque.

You didn't answer the question, TSA.
We've already discussed this and I've already answered, refer back 4 months ago in your Spurstalk logbook. But since you decided to jump in on a comment directed to someone else...is the Prime Mister of Poland's statement on accepting no more refugees hateful rhetoric?

[ChumpDumper]

We've already discussed this and I've already answered, refer back 4 months ago in your Spurstalk logbook. But since you decided to jump in on a comment directed to someone else...is the Prime Mister of Poland's statement on accepting no more refugees hateful rhetoric?So now you are demanding answers when you refuse to give any?

:lol

To answer your direct question directly without being a pussy about it like you are being, I can't tell from one quote. If there is a difference between the EU and US vetting processes for refugees, that could be a cause for concern.

To your personal knowledge, TSA, is there a difference between the EU and US vetting processes for refugees? I'm asking you what you know right now since there may have been developments on either side.

Are they now exactly the same?

Yes or no. Just type one word and not some long, angsty dodge.

[CosmicCowboy]

The vetting processes are all shit. These people are coming from areas with no reliable record keeping. It's not like we can ask Assad to vouch for a Syrian refugee and get a credit/criminal background report.

[TheSanityAnnex]

So now you are demanding answers when you refuse to give any?

:lol

To answer your direct question directly without being a pussy about it like you are being, I can't tell from one quote. If there is a difference between the EU and US vetting processes for refugees, that could be a cause for concern.

To your personal knowledge, TSA, is there a difference between the EU and US vetting processes for refugees? I'm asking you what you know right now since there may have been developments on either side.

Are they now exactly the same?

Yes or no. Just type one word and not some long, angsty dodge.I'm not forcing you to answer anything, just like you aren't forcing me to repeat my already given answer.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not forcing you to answer anything, just like you aren't forcing me to repeat my already given answer.No one said anyone was forcing anyone, dumbass.

I said you were demanding an answer when you clearly pussed out on the one I asked you.

Since the circumstances are obviously different, it is quite easy for me to say the Polish dude isn't racist and you and your hero Trump are.

[Pelicans78]

The vetting processes are all shit. These people are coming from areas with no reliable record keeping. It's not like we can ask Assad to vouch for a Syrian refugee and get a credit/criminal background report.

That's the exact truth. How do you vet someone who has no reliable record?

[DarrinS]

That's the exact truth. How do you vet someone who has no reliable record?

Just give them a waiver if they register as Democrat?

[TheSanityAnnex]

No one said anyone was forcing anyone, dumbass.

I said you were demanding an answer when you clearly pussed out on the one I asked you.

Since the circumstances are obviously different, it is quite easy for me to say the Polish dude isn't racist and you and your hero Trump are.Now I'm a racist and Trump is my hero? :lmao with that bullshit claim. Go ahead, back that claim with proof...good luck.


I demanded nothing, you chose to answer my question. And again, why do you continue to ask a question that has already been answered?

Also, the Polish Prime Minister is a woman.

[TheSanityAnnex]

That's the exact truth. How do you vet someone who has no reliable record?

Yup. And the our government has admitted this.

[Pelicans78]

Just give them a waiver if they register as Democrat?

Democrats need all the constituents they can get. Without Bernie, they would get very little from independents.

[ChumpDumper]

Now I'm a racist and Trump is my hero? :lmao with that bullshit claim. Go ahead, back that claim with proof...good luck.Sure.

You want to stop all the Syrian refugees from coming in due to their race.

Or would you give them a religion test?


I demanded nothing, you chose to answer my question. And again, why do you continue to ask a question that has already been answered? Because it's fun watching you get flustered and avoid answering such a simple question at all costs. You're the one who whines and makes a big deal out of it.


Also, the Polish Prime Minister is a woman.Eh, three people were quoted in the article. What does that change, in your opinion?

[Pelicans78]

Yup. And the our government has admitted this.

Plus, alot of the migrants are just illegal immigrants from other Arab countries trying to get into Europe. Too bad Europe didn't build that wall.

[ChumpDumper]

Yup. And the our government has admitted this.link

[TheSanityAnnex]

Sure.

You want to stop all the Syrian refugees from coming in due to their race.

Or would you give them a religion test? How does wanting a better getting process make me racist?


Because it's fun watching you get flustered and avoid answering such a simple question at all costs. You're the one who whines and makes a big deal out of it.asking why you repeatedly ask an already answered question is me being flustered? Lol you've got issues if you find that fun. Ironic you say I made a big deal out of it while you resort to childish name calling.


Eh, three people were quoted in the article. What does that change, in your opinion?eh, just thought you should know.

[TheSanityAnnex]

link
I'm about to leave work don't care to look for you but I know it's linked here and google is pretty good as well.

[MultiTroll]

Belgium's head of Security Chief Gertwald Edlehorn
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/0/0e/245px-Chief_Wiggum.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/220?cb=20140830013250 (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj3gKL5udrLAhVL8WMKHdXXBeYQjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsimpsons.wikia.com%2Fwiki%2FClanc y_Wiggum&psig=AFQjCNEtFUSa1oq_kBmF5fyNhp1_GA7NbQ&ust=1458947498170453)

and his assistant Chump Dumper
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/pt/8/83/Waylon_Smithers.png (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=&url=https%3A%2F%2Fpt.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFichei ro%3AWaylon_Smithers.png&psig=AFQjCNGhPl4ZBlRHbcI7uGWCls5QzNdXdA&ust=1458947635798680)

[ChumpDumper]

How does wanting a better getting process make me racist?your process is just to excluded them all.


asking why you repeatedly ask an already answered question is me being flustered? Lol you've got issues if you find that fun. Ironic you say I made a big deal out of it while you resort to childish name calling. You've got issues with just admitting even the simplest fact. If you didn't make such a big deal out of it I wouldn't call you a pussy.

If you are hurt by my words, that's probably another issue you might want to deal with.

eh, just thought you should know.So it really didn't matter at all.

[ChumpDumper]

Belgium's head of Security Chief Gertwald Edlehorn
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/0/0e/245px-Chief_Wiggum.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/220?cb=20140830013250 (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj3gKL5udrLAhVL8WMKHdXXBeYQjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsimpsons.wikia.com%2Fwiki%2FClanc y_Wiggum&psig=AFQjCNEtFUSa1oq_kBmF5fyNhp1_GA7NbQ&ust=1458947498170453)

and his assistant Chump Dumper
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/pt/8/83/Waylon_Smithers.png (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=&url=https%3A%2F%2Fpt.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFichei ro%3AWaylon_Smithers.png&psig=AFQjCNGhPl4ZBlRHbcI7uGWCls5QzNdXdA&ust=1458947635798680)Hey, Fabbs.

Did you kill any potential terrorists today?

Because if you didn't, you're part of the problem.