kawhi will finish above robinson

[apalisoc_9]

Book it

[K...]

Not impossible due to Robinson's no ring history. One post Duncan championship could be enough. But d Rob was pretty much the two way player kawhi is. It seems weird to say kawhi will clear him...a tie is more likely.

Just for fun...make the case...what's Kawhis actual ceiling?

[BD24]

Not really a super bold prediction. The argument could be made that kawhi is already very close or even already there.

[apalisoc_9]

Kawhi top 3 all time or goat

[BD24]

Top 3 spur? Sure. Top 3 all time or goat spur no. Timmy will most likely hold the top spur ranking for at least the next 20 - 30 years And probably beyond that

[SpurPadre]

Not impossible due to Robinson's no ring history. One post Duncan championship could be enough. But d Rob was pretty much the two way player kawhi is. It seems weird to say kawhi will clear him...a tie is more likely.

Just for fun...make the case...what's Kawhis actual ceiling?

He has 2 rings.

[BD24]

He has 2 rings.
K is old and senile. He tends to forget things sometimes

[Phenomanul]

Book it

In Robinson's first full 10 seasons as a player, he never finished lower than 6th on season PER.

89-90 26.35 5th (as a rookie)
90-91 27.43 3rd
91-92 27.51 2nd
92-93 24.19 6th
93-94 30.66 1st
94-95 29.13 1st
95-96 29.41 1st
96-97 INJURED
97-98 27.85 3rd [T. Duncan] 22.63 5th (as a rookie)
98-99 24.91 3rd [T. Duncan] 23.21 7th
99-00 24.55 5th [T. Duncan] 24.78 4th


This is Kawhi's first year in the top 10 in said category (5th at 25.95 currently). Kawhi's benefit is having Pop as coach and his tremendous work ethic is paying off. He has the benefit of coming in to a polished Spurs System that maximizes his talents. It wasn't until Holt purchased the Spurs that the culture changed. The Red McCombs years were disastrous for their lack of identity and support.

Heck, Kawhi's "second banana" in LM Aldridge is way better than David ever had until Duncan arrived.

Not the an apples-to-apples comparison IMO.

[Silver&Black]

He has 2 rings.

Threw up a little in my mouth when I read that Robinson (the reason I'm a Spurs fan) has zero rings.

WTF man....

[K...]

I thought it was clear that it was no rings as an alpha. You never count Robinson's 1999&2003 rings. Those are Duncan's. You try to.2-2 Robinson and Hakeem and you get laughed at. This is ranking all time greats. You have to qualify titles as lead vs role player.

[DocDoc]

Come back in another 10 years and we can talk.

[apalisoc_9]

David robinson is overrated

[Proxy]

I thought it was clear that it was no rings as an alpha. You never count Robinson's 1999&2003 rings. Those are Duncan's. You try to.2-2 Robinson and Hakeem and you get laughed at. This is ranking all time greats. You have to qualify titles as lead vs role player.

the only one getting laughed at is you

[K...]

the only one getting laughed at is you

fine

[Horse]

David robinson is overrated
Underrated guy was a freak.

[Arcadian]

Idk...I'm not a Robinson fanboy (I know we have a few here), but David was a 30 ppg scorer AND best defender in the world at his peak...and he was an all-star level player from day 1, whereas Kawhi needed a few years to develop.

[SpurPadre]

Threw up a little in my mouth when I read that Robinson (the reason I'm a Spurs fan) has zero rings.

WTF man....

Yeah really. And he'd have more rings if he had half the talent TD's had for most of his career, not to say TD isn't the greatest Spur of all-time but still...

[Rob123]

Yeah I'm not sure OP was old enough to watch Robinson play the game.

Kawhi is a very good player and a one in a million talent. While it's certainly possible he'll pass Robinson I'm not sure it's a certainty. Robinson was an absolute monster back in the day. Like a brutal life destroying basketball monster. He would have ate the Monstars from space jam alive.

[Spurtacular]

In Robinson's first full 10 seasons as a player, he never finished lower than 6th on season PER.

89-90 26.35 5th (as a rookie)
90-91 27.43 3rd
91-92 27.51 2nd
92-93 24.19 6th
93-94 30.66 1st
94-95 29.13 1st
95-96 29.41 1st
96-97 INJURED
97-98 27.85 3rd [T. Duncan] 22.63 5th (as a rookie)
98-99 24.91 3rd [T. Duncan] 23.21 7th
99-00 24.55 5th [T. Duncan] 24.78 4th


This is Kawhi's first year in the top 10 in said category (5th at 25.95 currently). Kawhi's benefit is having Pop as coach and his tremendous work ethic is paying off. He has the benefit of coming in to a polished Spurs System that maximizes his talents. It wasn't until Holt purchased the Spurs that the culture changed. The Red McCombs years were disastrous for their lack of identity and support.

Heck, Kawhi's "second banana" in LM Aldridge is way better than David ever had until Duncan arrived.

Not the an apples-to-apples comparison IMO.

Gonna have to see that compared to Kawhi's stats before I can admit that into evidence, tbh.

[SoonerSpur512]

Top 3 spur? Sure. Top 3 all time or goat spur no. Timmy will most likely hold the top spur ranking for at least the next 20 - 30 years And probably beyond that

Nobody will ever be above Timmy. Ever.

[hater]

Not impossible due to Robinson's no ring history. One post Duncan championship could be enough. But d Rob was pretty much the two way player kawhi is. It seems weird to say kawhi will clear him...a tie is more likely.

Just for fun...make the case...what's Kawhis actual ceiling?

Holeesheet retard convention just got off I see

[YGWHI]

In Robinson's first full 10 seasons as a player, he never finished lower than 6th on season PER.

89-90 26.35 5th (as a rookie)
90-91 27.43 3rd
91-92 27.51 2nd
92-93 24.19 6th
93-94 30.66 1st
94-95 29.13 1st
95-96 29.41 1st
96-97 INJURED
97-98 27.85 3rd [T. Duncan] 22.63 5th (as a rookie)
98-99 24.91 3rd [T. Duncan] 23.21 7th
99-00 24.55 5th [T. Duncan] 24.78 4th


This is Kawhi's first year in the top 10 in said category (5th at 25.95 currently). Kawhi's benefit is having Pop as coach and his tremendous work ethic is paying off. He has the benefit of coming in to a polished Spurs System that maximizes his talents. It wasn't until Holt purchased the Spurs that the culture changed. The Red McCombs years were disastrous for their lack of identity and support.

Heck, Kawhi's "second banana" in LM Aldridge is way better than David ever had until Duncan arrived.

Not the an apples-to-apples comparison IMO.

Well, you know that PER numbers care more about offense than the two ends, it's not surprising that Kawhi has his first season in top 5 averaging +20 points...

Also, having Pop as coach, makes Kawhi doesn't play too many minutes or take too many shots.

David Robinson in his best season took 20.7 FGA per game and played 40.5 mpg.

Kawhi Leonard in his best season is taking 15 FGA per game and playing 34 mpg

Of course "not the an apples-to-apples comparison" because Kawhi will never have the chance to play DRob minutes or take that many shots.

[100%duncan]

:claw

[SpursFan86]

Not really a super bold prediction. The argument could be made that kawhi is already very close or even already there.

D-Rob is a top 15-20 player of all-time. I'd say it's pretty bold to state Kawhi will finish ahead of him, and it's ridiculous to say he's already very close.

[spursfaninla]

Well, you know that PER numbers care more about offense than the two ends, it's not surprising that Kawhi has his first season in top 5 averaging +20 points...

Also, having Pop as coach, makes Kawhi doesn't play too many minutes or take too many shots.

David Robinson in his best season took 20.7 FGA per game and played 40.5 mpg.

Kawhi Leonard in his best season is taking 15 FGA per game and playing 34 mpg

Of course "not the an apples-to-apples comparison" because Kawhi will never have the chance to play DRob minutes or take that many shots.

Your point would be valid if D-rob was offense only.

He was defensive poy, 4 time defensive first team, and 4 time defensive second team.

AND his per led the league for years, AND he carried the team when the rest of the supporting cast was crap, AND he scored as a volume shooter.

Kawhi is a special, and I think the best 2 way player in the league. His offense is slowing catching up to his D. He is the best wing defender, and probably a top 10 offensive player today.

Kawhi, if he has a decent number of healthy years hopefully, is headed for top 3 spurs of all time, passing gervin, and joining drob and tim.

If Kawhi leads a spurs team to a championship, I can at least see the argument about him being #2, but it is just premature today.

[Phenomanul]

Well, you know that PER numbers care more about offense than the two ends, it's not surprising that Kawhi has his first season in top 5 averaging +20 points...

Also, having Pop as coach, makes Kawhi doesn't play too many minutes or take too many shots.

David Robinson in his best season took 20.7 FGA per game and played 40.5 mpg.

Kawhi Leonard in his best season is taking 15 FGA per game and playing 34 mpg

Of course "not the an apples-to-apples comparison" because Kawhi will never have the chance to play DRob minutes or take that many shots.

or be surrounded with the same quality of talent... (or lack thereof in Robinson's case).

BTW Robinson was a defensive freak... a seven footer with the capability of amassing double-digit steals in any given game... he did it 4 times... Kawhi as a perimeter player has done that exactly 0 times.

What is it with you myopic player fans...? I ABSOLUTELY LOVE Kawhi as a player. But why take a dig at The Admiral in order to prop Kawhi... They're two completely different players.

[YGWHI]

AND his per led the league for years, AND he carried the team when the rest of the supporting cast was crap, AND he scored as a volume shooter.

Of course he did.

But also playing more minutes, and getting a lot more opportunities to score, help his case.

[spursfaninla]

Until Kawhi has been a second-team defensive player or better for 5+ years, I don't know how we can even talk about this.

[YGWHI]

or be surrounded with the same quality of talent... (or lack thereof in Robinson's case).
When a great player finds himself surrounded by poor talent, it's likely he'll put amazing numbers, getting individual success.

That's not Kawhi's case. He will never take 21 FGA per game on this team.


But why take a dig at The Admiral in order to prop Kawhi... They're two completely different players.
No one is taking a dig at him.
I've said before here he's my dad's favorite player and the reason he's a Spurs fan so I LOVE DRob.

[Chris]

I like Kawhi, but no...just no.

[100%duncan]

The usual no because he's my hero before

[TrainOfThought5]

Kawhi top 3 all time or goat

Kawhi as in top 3 spur all time... or top 3 NBA player of all time and effectively challenging MJ for his title as GOAT

[Atl Spur]

We have yet to scratch the surface with this kid.......... His game in my opinion, will mature into him becoming the best or 2nd best player in the WORLD! He has it and it can't be bought or taught; you roll out of bed with it!

[Sec24Row7]

David robinson is overrated

Whottt would rip off your head and shit down your throat hole if he was still alive.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Kawhi Leonard will never ever score 73 points in a game. I guarandamntee it.

[pookenstein]

This is just another attention whoring thread by Apa. Posting one of his "edgy" predictions. Boring.

[024]

If Leonard wins one or two championships without Duncan + the finals MVP that goes with it, maybe. Leonard will already have at least 1 finals MVP and 2 DPOY already by the end of this year. He'll continue to get his all stars, and all NBA selections and pad his resume. The important thing is winning a championship or two post Duncan. Without that, he can't be above Robinson.

[Kawhitstorm]

Kawhi passed up Admiral w/ the 2014 Finals performance. Robinson has NEVER had a performance H2H like that against an elite player, the '99 run is the closest thing to Kawhi's 2014 run.

[houston spurs fan]

If not for David Robinson and Tim Duncan, it would be the St. Louis Spurs or some bullshit like that. There are a lot of bandwagon fans who have no clue of the Spurs history. Love Kawhi, thankful to have him but DRob is Spurs royalty...

[rasuo214]

The Spurs would be very fortunate if that happens.

[Kawhitstorm]

If not for David Robinson and Tim Duncan, it would be the St. Louis Spurs or some bullshit like that. There are a lot of bandwagon fans who have no clue of the Spurs history. Love Kawhi, thankful to have him but DRob is Spurs royalty...

IDGAF if the Spurs played on Mars, where a team plays is TOTALLY irrelevant to me. Fuck TEXAS!

[Calispursfan11]

Kawhi might become one of the best to ever play the game, but not yet. Not yet.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF9C3cklVIQ

[Sean Cagney]

Come back in another 10 years and we can talk.

^^^^^^ This.
Kawhi Leonard will never ever score 73 points in a game. I guarandamntee it.

Don't forget the Quad double or the MVP season for that matter D Rob had, better yet his 1994 season... I believe he won a DPOY too and was also Rookie of the year. I am still waiting for Kawhis break out game where he drops 40 plus points tbh, it will come but he has only gone over 30 a few times.
Kawhi passed up Admiral w/ the 2014 Finals performance. Robinson has NEVER had a performance H2H like that against an elite player, the '99 run is the closest thing to Kawhi's 2014 run.

2014 was great and he stepped up but his overall body of work is not there yet, like someone said come re visit this way down the road. He is not there yet, he will get there though. If he gets hurt and bows out early or does not continue to grow by some sort of bad events (Mental or whatever) then he is not passed D Rob as a player at this present point in time. I will give it atleast 5 or so years then say on this one. I hope he does though, would be great.

[houston spurs fan]

IDGAF if the Spurs played on Mars, where a team plays is TOTALLY irrelevant to me. Fuck TEXAS!
Proof you are a player fan.

[100%duncan]

Kawhi Leonard will never ever score 73 points in a game. I guarandamntee it.

Mj didn't as well.

Meow

[Kawhitstorm]

Proof you are a player fan.

I became a Spurs because of Team Duncan whom I've been a fan of since his Wake Forest day (rather say some bum like Matt Bonner) & will stay on the ship as long as Kawhi is wearing a Spurs jersey. I'm not a player stan like Kobe fans who will defend him even if he raped their mother. (Calling out teammates when they are wetting the bed isn't the definition of a "player fan", it called speaking the truth)

I've ZERO obligations to support ANY product Peter Holt churns out when he isn't donating to the Republican party. I also give ZERO fucks about a military city w/ a dirty creek & fat messican women.

[dabom]

Making fun of the city where the Spurs play on a Spurs forum. :lmao

Faggot. :lmao

Seriously a bonafide faggot. :lmao

[Russo21]

If Kawhi does finish above DROB than Spurs fans should consider themselves bloody lucky. Robinson was one of the best ballers I've ever seen and a freak of nature.

How lucky are the Spurs... 92 onwards we had a freakshow in David Robinson, Tim Duncan came on board in 97-98 and everyone knows how that turned out, he was followed by Manu and TP. They then stole Kawhi for Hill in the draft, then succeeded in nabbing of the top bigs in the NBA last offseason in LMA. With Kawhi and LMA San Antonio will most likely go from years 1992-apx 2028 (apx end of Kawhi's career) only missing the playoffs once (the perfect year to tank as it landed TD in the draft) As most Spurs fans I dreaded post TD life, yet we are now in good hands.

Brilliant team, and to maintain all this success with one of the poorest ownership groups is phenomenal. All the best to Kawhi, i hope he has a long, healthy, incredible career. Go Spurs Go!

[Thomas82]

or be surrounded with the same quality of talent... (or lack thereof in Robinson's case).

BTW Robinson was a defensive freak... a seven footer with the capability of amassing double-digit steals in any given game... he did it 4 times... Kawhi as a perimeter player has done that exactly 0 times.

What is it with you myopic player fans...? I ABSOLUTELY LOVE Kawhi as a player. But why take a dig at The Admiral in order to prop Kawhi... They're two completely different players.

I couldn't find any games where he got double-digit steals, but I did see that he did it in blocks 10 times.

[houston spurs fan]

I became a Spurs because of Team Duncan whom I've been a fan of since his Wake Forest day (rather say some bum like Matt Bonner) & will stay on the ship as long as Kawhi is wearing a Spurs jersey. I'm not a player stan like Kobe fans who will defend him even if he raped their mother. (Calling out teammates when they are wetting the bed isn't the definition of a "player fan", it called speaking the truth)

I've ZERO obligations to support ANY product Peter Holt churns out when he isn't donating to the Republican party. I also give ZERO fucks about a military city w/ a dirty creek & fat messican women.
Just affirmed you are not a Spurs fan. So why do you spend countless hours on our team's forum?

[blizz]

I couldn't find any games where he got double-digit steals, but I did see that he did it in blocks 10 times.

He is one of only four players in the history of the game to have a quadruple double dumbass.

[blizz]

And no. Not yet. He just now made an all star team. Five-oh was an all star from his rookie year. It's not even close right now. Might he? Maybe. And the bullshit about his mvp in the finals putting him ahead then by that logic, Iggy has passed DR???? Come on! Who the fuck are you people. You probably never saw him play. Morons.

[cutewizard]

Right now, its still Robinson

but who knows after 5 years of Kawhi peak??

[Thomas82]

He is one of only four players in the history of the game to have a quadruple double dumbass.

I knew about the quad-double, but he did it with BLOCKS, not steals. Alvin Robertson is the only one of the 4 with a quad-double to do it with steals. And don't disrespect me like that again, I never called you out of your name.

[NameLess Scrub]

Kawhi has surprised with his ability to improve key areas of his game.

But considering the incredible talents DRob had, I doubt Kawhi will pass him on individual achievements.

If he does, all the better for the Spurs and the fans.

[SpursforSix]

If Kawhi does finish above DROB than Spurs fans should consider themselves bloody lucky. Robinson was one of the best ballers I've ever seen and a freak of nature.


I think a lot of people that didn't see Robinson play don't realize how great he was. I still make the mistake of underrating him at times because of the Houston loss and also because of the dominance of the Spurs once Duncan arrived.

But Robinson did not have a great coach that knew how to build around him and develop system and find players that would work. They would occasionally find some good pieces to put around him but they never had the continuity or real direction until Pop and company showed up. It was basically, "let's find some good players, put them out there with DR and see if it works". Not unlike what the Mavs have been doing around Dirk. Had Pop been in charge from the beginning of DRob's career, I believe he'd have a ring or two without Timmy.

I certainly think KL should be talked about in the same sentence with Robinson but it's impossible imo to ever say that one was a better Spurs than the other. Of course if KL continues his trajectory, maybe it will be an easier call. But right now, I think DRob is above Kawhi.

[313]

Kawhi passed up Admiral w/ the 2014 Finals performance. Robinson has NEVER had a performance H2H like that against an elite player, the '99 run is the closest thing to Kawhi's 2014 run.
It's not like Kawhi outplayed LeBron in 2014

[BD24]

Nobody will ever be above Timmy. Ever.
I was going to say that, but honestly 100 years down the road the Spurs could get Michael Jordan reincarnated. You just never know.

[sook]

I think he will too.

[Va Spur]

Kawhi better than DROB assumes so much. First-- kawhi continues at this year's level for 7-8 more years, that we win more titles, that he doesn't get hurt, that he doesn't leave SA, and that one overhypes the present for the past. DROB was in MVP conversation (if not winning it) for 7 years in a row. He's a top 20 All time player.

Here's hoping Kawhi does that in SA (and i really do) but come on man-- have some patience and enjoy one of the other Spurs who was an elite player for this team. And while he might have rode TD for second title. He was vital to 99 title and timmy's transition into SA (and the winning culture that remains to this day --as he remains active now)

[SsKSpurs21]

D-Rob is a top 15-20 player of all-time. I'd say it's pretty bold to state Kawhi will finish ahead of him, and it's ridiculous to say he's already very close.

The amount of disrespect Dave is getting in this thread is disgraceful.

The fact that without Robinson, the Spurs could very well possibly be in another city. That alone should warrant him top consideration. His place at #2 is pretty much cemented.

Respect the man...

http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-what-i-need-to-do-is-have-a-great-positive-attitude-and-a-great-work-ethic-those-two-david-robinson-72-15-33.jpg

[apalisoc_9]

The amount of disrespect Dave is getting in this thread is disgraceful.

The fact that without Robinson, the Spurs could very well possibly be in another city. That alone should warrant him top consideration. His place at #2 is pretty much cemented.

Respect the man...

http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-what-i-need-to-do-is-have-a-great-positive-attitude-and-a-great-work-ethic-those-two-david-robinson-72-15-33.jpg

:lmao

[Kidd K]

Finish above him in what?

PPG? No. (DRob's average is above Kawhi's career high)
RPG? No fucking way.
APG? Kawhi's career high is DRob's career average.
BPG? No fucking way.
SPG? Kawhi slightly higher and I could see him finishing above in this stat.
PER? DRob's career average is above Kawhi's career high.
Rings? DRob has twice as many.


DRob was a monster. He was LeBron tier, maybe higher.

[apalisoc_9]

Finish above him in what?

PPG? No. (DRob's average is above Kawhi's career high)
RPG? No fucking way.
APG? Kawhi's career high is DRob's career average.
BPG? No fucking way.
SPG? Kawhi slightly higher and I could see him finishing above in this stat.
PER? DRob's career average is above Kawhi's career high.
Rings? DRob has twice as many.


DRob was a monster. He was LeBron tier, maybe higher.

:lmao

[LongtimeSpursFan]

In terms of his position I'm not even sure you could say he has been the best SF in franchise history. Sean Elliott, Larry Kenon, Mike Mitchell, Kawhi Leonard. At this point I would say he has only past Mike Mitchell.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

David robinson is overrated
Idiot

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

:lmao
Idiot

[T Park]

I thought it was clear that it was no rings as an alpha. You never count Robinson's 1999&2003 rings. Those are Duncan's. You try to.2-2 Robinson and Hakeem and you get laughed at. This is ranking all time greats. You have to qualify titles as lead vs role player.



Just delete your account

[SpursforSix]

In terms of his position I'm not even sure you could say he has been the best SF in franchise history. Sean Elliott, Larry Kenon, Mike Mitchell, Kawhi Leonard. At this point I would say he has only past Mike Mitchell.

LOL. I love Sean but come on.

[Russo21]

In terms of his position I'm not even sure you could say he has been the best SF in franchise history. Sean Elliott, Larry Kenon, Mike Mitchell, Kawhi Leonard. At this point I would say he has only past Mike Mitchell. He's passed everyone on that list already, by leaps and bounds.

[daslicer]

I would say no. Kawhi will put up good numbers but I think things are going to be radically different once the big 3 are gone. It will be hard to find guys who can replace the talent and intangibles they brought to the table. This will definitely impact the spurs ability to win games and will effect Kawhi since he will be forced to carry even a bigger load. It all hinges on Kawhi winning another title and a league MVP along with multiple ASG appearances. 2 out of those 3 things will be hard to attain for Kawhi but we will see.

[Kidd K]

:lmao

No reply = no argument.

You obviously have never seen him play to even make such an asinine claim in the first place.

[tholdren]

I hope this is the case. What a win for spurs fans and organization if it pans out that way

[apalisoc_9]

No reply = no argument.

You obviously have never seen him play to even make such an asinine claim in the first place.
Kidd k takes :lmao

[Kawhitstorm]

Just affirmed you are not a Spurs fan. So why do you spend countless hours on our team's forum?

Oh, my bad....I didn't know you were a shareholder of the team.:lmao

In any case, I'm retired & this what I do on my free time while your mom is cooking after she blows me.:wakeup

[Kawhitstorm]

It's not like Kawhi outplayed LeBron in 2014

He did actually outplay him in the final 3 games which were all blowout wins for the Spurs. Meanwhile, Admiral got his ass handed to him in the finals 3 games against Akeem/Malone.

[Obstructed_View]

Your point would be valid if D-rob was offense only.

He was defensive poy, 4 time defensive first team, and 4 time defensive second team.

And if you take into account the quality of defenders in the era in which he played, the discussion becomes all the more ridiculous. Kawhi is an amazing defender, but he hasn't earned his way into the conversation with Robinson, Rodman, Payton and Mutombo yet.

[apalisoc_9]

Oh, my bad....I didn't know you were a shareholder of the team.:lmao

In any case, I'm retired & this what I do on my free time while your mom is cooking after she blows me.:wakeup
:lmao

[apalisoc_9]

90s defenders :lmao

Allowed to hack

:lmao

[RD2191]

All about the rings imo. If he can get to 3 he passes drob imo

[Sec24Row7]

All about the rings imo. If he can get to 3 he passes drob imo

Bruce > Drob?

Idiot

[Kawhitstorm]

http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-what-i-need-to-do-is-have-a-great-positive-attitude-and-a-great-work-ethic-those-two-david-robinson-72-15-33.jpg


Can't respect a man who has been a whipping boy of NBA superstars w/o rings: Malone/Barkley. Duke is a beta bible totter like Durant who bends over backwards instead of rising up to the challenge.

[blizz]

I knew about the quad-double, but he did it with BLOCKS, not steals. Alvin Robertson is the only one of the 4 with a quad-double to do it with steals. And don't disrespect me like that again, I never called you out of your name.
Or you'll do what? But yeah, you're right it was blocks. My bad.

[blizz]

He's passed everyone on that list already, by leaps and bounds.

Uh, no. Not yet.

[RD2191]

Bruce > Drob?

Idiot
Was bruce a 1st option? No, retard.

[Sec24Row7]

Was bruce a 1st option? No, retard.

http://www.johnlocke.org/site-docs/lockerroom/movinggoalpost.gif

[RD2191]

http://www.johnlocke.org/site-docs/lockerroom/movinggoalpost.gif
Not really. It's obvious that I mean Kawhi ringing as a 1st option. I mean I'd obviously put Horry at my all time number 1 since he has 7 rings.

[RD2191]

Sarcasm by the way

[apalisoc_9]

Bruce > Drob?

Idiot

:lmao

[coachmac87]

Kawhi will never drop a quadruple double

[dabom]

Drob was more gifted he just never had a supporting cast to match his effort.

[Obstructed_View]

Drob was more gifted he just never had a supporting cast to match his effort.

If this year's Spurs had a center giving them 24 points, 12 rebounds and 4 blocks in place of Kawhi I dare say they'd be in contention for first place in the west.

[dabom]

If this year's Spurs had a center giving them 24 points, 12 rebounds and 4 blocks in place of Kawhi I dare say they'd be in contention for first place in the west.

I'd think we'd still be in the same spot. It's never on Kawhi or Drob for losing. Our other players are what lose us games at the beginning of the season.

[dabom]

Would it be crazy to imagine LMA and Drob with Duncan off the bench? :lol

The offense with bigs is better for transition defense too because your guards are already in position to defend.

That's assuming a big like Drob and not just any other big in the league. Kawhi is the best option right now amd future even if you have to give up some fast breaks. The offense run through him is efficient as fuck right now.

[SPURt]

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[dabom]

Whether Kawhi passes him or not. I just like both players.

[Obstructed_View]

I'd think we'd still be in the same spot. It's never on Kawhi or Drob for losing. Our other players are what lose us games at the beginning of the season.

I don't think you've thought this through. A center in today's NBA with Robinson's talent would dominate the league. Curry would be a distant second for MVP.

[dabom]

I don't think you've thought this through. A center in today's NBA with Robinson's talent would dominate the league. Curry would be a distant second for MVP.

Except Kawhi is the best wing defender in the game in a perimeter oriented offense nba. Kawhi is no slouch. And like I said. We haven't lost a game because of kawhi all season. Maybe the toronto game but he was poisoned or something.

[Obstructed_View]

Except Kawhi is the best wing defender in the game in a perimeter oriented offense nba. Kawhi is no slouch. And like I said. We haven't lost a game because of kawhi all season. Maybe the toronto game but he was poisoned or something.

Kawhi is indeed the best wing defender in the game. He is indeed no slouch, and it's not disprespecting him in any way by saying he couldn't yet carry Robinson's jock. He's got an incredible work ethic, a champion's mindset, and he's labored really hard to become a top player in the NBA, something Robinson was from the second he stepped into the league.

I hope that OP's prediction comes true, because that will mean that Kawhi continues his immense improvement as a player. Make no mistake about how high that bar is.

[dabom]

Kawhi is indeed the best wing defender in the game. He is indeed no slouch, and it's not disprespecting him in any way by saying he couldn't yet carry Robinson's jock. He's got an incredible work ethic, a champion's mindset, and he's labored really hard to become a top player in the NBA, something Robinson was from the second he stepped into the league.

I hope that OP's prediction comes true, because that will mean that Kawhi continues his immense improvement as a player. Make no mistake about how high that bar is.

That statement is a disrespect statement though. What are you talking about? :lmao

[dabom]

In fact, your whole statement flows fine without it. You just wanted to take a dig at Kawhi. This is why I can't have respectful conversations without someone taking it overboard. :lol

[dabom]

Kawhi is the best player by RPM and leads a team that I don't know if they have or not but will have the best Spurs best record ever. If it wasn't for GSW, Kawhi is the unanimous MVP this year. I don't know how an MVP type player cannot hold Drobs jock. Sounds bad. :lol Especially when Kawhi has the clutch gene. I don't understand unless you a faggot tbh.

[dabom]

edit.

[Obstructed_View]

That statement is a disrespect statement though. What are you talking about? :lmao

No it's not. It's disrespect to suggest that this year's Kawhi Leonard belongs in the same sentence with David Robinson, and you've used them as though they're interchangeable several times in this thread. Not being a fucking slouch is not the same thing as being a first-ballot hall of famer and all-time great. It's not "taking a dig" at Kawhi to say that he's not the greatest fucking player in the world. You sound like the goddamn Kobe fans always trying to convince people that he's Michael Jordan. Well he's fucking not.

Fucking player fans.

[dabom]

No it's not. It's disrespect to suggest that this year's Kawhi Leonard belongs in the same sentence with David Robinson, and you've used them as though they're interchangeable several times in this thread. Not being a fucking slouch is not the same thing as being a first-ballot hall of famer and all-time great. It's not "taking a dig" at Kawhi to say that he's not the greatest fucking player in the world. You sound like the goddamn Kobe fans always trying to convince people that he's Michael Jordan. Well he's fucking not.

Fucking player fans.

Drob isn't fucking Jordan you stupid fuck. :lmao

This is a prediction thread faggot. Finals MVP and DPOY. :lmao

[dabom]

KAwhi year 5 age 24 MVP candidate. :lol
Drob year 1 age 24

[Obstructed_View]

Drob isn't fucking Jordan you stupid fuck. :lmao

Never said he was. Robinson's a fuckload closer to Jordan than Kawhi is to Robinson.

You stupid fuck.

[Obstructed_View]

KAwhi year 5 age 24 MVP candidate. :lol
Drob year 1 age 24

Again, you're trying to compare them.

Stupid playerfans. :lmao

[dabom]

Never said he was. Robinson's a fuckload closer to Jordan than Kawhi is to Robinson.

You stupid fuck.

Are you a fucking dumbass. :lmao I can even make a case for Kawhi right now. No way I can the the other way. :lmao

[Obstructed_View]

Are you a fucking dumbass. :lmao I can even make a case for Kawhi right now. No way I can the the other way. :lmao

I'm sure you think you can, because you're an idiot.

[dabom]

I'm sure you think you can, because you're an idiot.

Low IQ poster. :lmao

[dabom]

The level of degrees between Jordan and Drob to Drob and Kawhi. :lmao

[steeledl]

Robinson helped create the Spurs team culture that Kawhi is thriving in. Means something.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

In reality, a better comparison for Kawhi would be Dwight Howard. A good defensive player but with limited offensive abilities. Neither is a player that can carry a team offensively but can be a good second banana. Which is why PATFO went out and got Aldridge to lead this team for the next 4-5 years.

It's kinda scary to think what this team would look like without the addition of Aldridge. We'd probably be a 4=5 seed in a weak West.

[apalisoc_9]

Robinson helped create the Spurs team culture that Kawhi is thriving in. Means something.

No he did not. Lol at giving robinson credit for kawhi...

Old fans :lmao

[apalisoc_9]

I'm sure you think you can, because you're an idiot.

Kawhi is a better player now than any peak robinson years

[Sec24Row7]

Kawhi is a better player now than any peak robinson years

That's not even a plausible troll.

[RD2191]

In reality, a better comparison for Kawhi would be Dwight Howard. A good defensive player but with limited offensive abilities. Neither is a player that can carry a team offensively but can be a good second banana. Which is why PATFO went out and got Aldridge to lead this team for the next 4-5 years.

It's kinda scary to think what this team would look like without the addition of Aldridge. We'd probably be a 4=5 seed in a weak West.
Go fuck your mother.

[baseline bum]

Not really a super bold prediction. The argument could be made that kawhi is already very close or even already there.

Holy shit that's retarded

[baseline bum]

Man I wish we could have seen Robinson in today's game where teams try to get out in transition, where having a bigman who can get out and guard the pick and roll is critical, where he would have tons of space to face his man up and take him off the dribble thanks to the great shooters in the league. This is an era really made for David Robinson's skillset, I can't imagine what he would be like in today's game.

[Kawhitstorm]

Man I wish we could have seen Robinson in today's game where teams try to get out in transition, where having a bigman who can get out and guard the pick and roll is critical, where he would have tons of space to face his man up and take him off the dribble thanks to the great shooters in the league. This is an era really made for David Robinson's skillset, I can't imagine what he would be like in today's game.

He would still have Hakeem busting his ass 1-on-1 in the post, Barkley breaking him off on the perimeter & Malone outplaying him in crunch-time. Besides, his mediocre postup game wouldn't be able to take advantage of small-ball 5s ala Anthony Davis/Bosh.

Hakeem would have been an absolute terror & Moses would also have demolished small-ball lineups since he was nimble enough to switch on defense.

[ducks]

David robinson is overrated

Your aunts pussy is

[ducks]

Leonard plays and played with better teammates then David
But David is still much better then leonard

[ducks]

He would still have Hakeem busting his ass 1-on-1 in the post, Barkley breaking him off on the perimeter & Malone outplaying him in crunch-time. Besides, his mediocre postup game wouldn't be able to take advantage of small-ball 5s ala Anthony Davis/Bosh.

Hakeem would have been an absolute terror & Moses would also have demolished small-ball lineups since he was nimble enough to switch on defense.
The dream had much better teammates David carried the Spurs on o and d all year

[ducks]

If this year's Spurs had a center giving them 24 points, 12 rebounds and 4 blocks in place of Kawhi I dare say they'd be in contention for first place in the west.


Yes especially with David blocks

[Kawhitstorm]

The dream had much better teammates David carried the Spurs on o and d all year

Bruh, Hakeem had a MUCH superior post game than Robinson. Admiral would have been trying to beat guys such as Bosh/Draymond off the dribble which would have negated his speed advantage. Even Anthony Davis scores of jumpers when he's matched up against smaller guys who could match his footspeed. (LMA has a better post game than Admiral:lol)

It was Admiral's defense that would have been a perfect fit for the modern NBA b/c he had the footspeed to switch on D which wasn't something that was utilized in the 90s.

[apalisoc_9]

That's not even a plausible troll.

Wow thanks old man..old man takes :lmao

[houston spurs fan]

Oh, my bad....I didn't know you were a shareholder of the team.:lmao

In any case, I'm retired & this what I do on my free time while your mom is cooking after she blows me.:wakeup
First off mom jokes lost their popularity in the 90's so you are a little late. Catch an episode or two of Fresh Prince tonight too? Second, you have now been on this site for like 11 consecutive hours talking to whom?? No one reads your shitty stuff. But the 11 consecutive hours of posting on this forum pretty much speaks to how dull your life must be...leave me alone and quit quoting me you player fan bitch. You should go bandwagon the Cavs now, they need some Love

[dabom]

Cuckstorm lost his respect when he talked shit about the city of SA like it makes him look cool. :lol

[dabom]

He had some credibility. Just some. But he lost it all from that point.

[Kawhitstorm]

First off mom jokes lost their popularity in the 90's so you are a little late. Catch an episode or two of Fresh Prince tonight too? Second, you have now been on this site for like 11 consecutive hours talking to whom?? No one reads your shitty stuff. But the 11 consecutive hours of posting on this forum pretty much speaks to how dull your life must be...leave me alone and quit quoting me you player fan bitch. You should go bandwagon the Cavs now, they need some Love

You are CLEARLY paying attention b/c you are all up on my dick like your mom.:lmao

[Kidd K]

Kidd k takes :lmao

Always better than yours.

[Kawhitstorm]

Cuckstorm lost his respect when he talked shit about the city of SA like it makes him look cool. :lol

Your mom lost respect when she got down on her knees.:lol

[Blake]

Kawhi is a better player now than any peak robinson years

Just awful

[Blake]

Funny how most fans seem to already have Kawhi as the 3rd best Spur of all time.

I love him, but I'm not sure he's passed up Tony or Manu yet, let alone Ice.

[dabom]

Funny how most fans seem to already have Kawhi as the 3rd best Spur of all time.

I love him, but I'm not sure he's passed up Tony or Manu yet, let alone Ice.

Thread is saying when it is all said and done. Kawhi already has 1 ring finals mvp DPOY another on on the way and been to 2 finals 3 WCF at age 24. Great trajectory if you ask me.

Another WCF minimum and possibly another FMVP. Might win MVP next year too.

[dabom]

Your mom lost respect when she got down on her knees.:lol

Take this :lma brah. :lmao

[Blake]

Thread is saying when it is all said and done. Kawhi already has 1 ring finals mvp DPOY another on on the way and been to 2 finals 3 WCF at age 24. Great trajectory if you ask me.

Another WCF minimum and possibly another FMVP. Might win MVP next year too.

Op is saying that. Others aren't

[Slippy]

KY fans going full retard now.

[Sec24Row7]

Bruh, Hakeem had a MUCH superior post game than Robinson. Admiral would have been trying to beat guys such as Bosh/Draymond off the dribble which would have negated his speed advantage. Even Anthony Davis scores of jumpers when he's matched up against smaller guys who could match his footspeed. (LMA has a better post game than Admiral:lol)

It was Admiral's defense that would have been a perfect fit for the modern NBA b/c he had the footspeed to switch on D which wasn't something that was utilized in the 90s.

Robinson was faster than Bosh and Draymond and Davis.

[Seventyniner]

KY fans going full retard now.

[wildbill2u]

Whoops, I had to delete my post. I didn't realiize this was another Apalisoc thread. My rule on posting is to ignore him.

[Dre_7]

I think Kawhi will end up top 2 or 3 in Franchise history. Behind only Duncan or Duncan and Ice. Those of you scoffing at the OP (although he sometimes pisses me off as well. And I am a Kawhi fan!) need to remember that Kawhi is only 24! He will keep getting better.

[Brazil]

Kawhi potential is clearly to be the second greatest player of franchise history... no doubt

now between potential and reality there is sometimes a world. I wish him to do just that, that would be a fucking great news for the Spurs for the next 10 years tbh.

[Horse]

He would still have Hakeem busting his ass 1-on-1 in the post, Barkley breaking him off on the perimeter & Malone outplaying him in crunch-time. Besides, his mediocre postup game wouldn't be able to take advantage of small-ball 5s ala Anthony Davis/Bosh.

Hakeem would have been an absolute terror & Moses would also have demolished small-ball lineups since he was nimble enough to switch on defense.

All the hakeem vs david shit off of one series. Barkley one lucky shot over him and malone getting away with dirty ass shit everynight.

[apalisoc_9]

Kawhi max potential is not second best spur..kawhis potential is best player ever in spurs history

[Kawhitstorm]

Robinson was faster than Bosh and Draymond and Davis.

Dummy, being fast & quick are two different things.

Bosh used to blow by Dwight when he was at the peak of his prime & Draymond is quick enough to guard PGs. Davis is actually as fast/quick as Admiral, he's just not 7'1".

[Kawhitstorm]

All the hakeem vs david shit off of one series. Barkley one lucky shot over him and malone getting away with dirty ass shit everynight.

Admiral was too SOFT to dish out punishment. 6'8"/220 Rodman handled Malone in two Finals series much better than PEAK Admiral.

[Atl Spur]

At this point, no one in their right mind could say Kawhi is better! lol But I will say this though, if this guy keeps on progressing at his current rate it won't be a far fetched conversation at all....IN MY OPINION. :)

[dabom]

At this point, no one in their right mind could say Kawhi is better! lol But I will say this though, if this guy keeps on progressing at his current rate it won't be a far fetched conversation at all....IN MY OPINION. :)

You don't need to say your opinion bro. It's already implied. :tu

[dunkman]

He could but it will take a lot of time and consistency. So far he was in one finals, has a finals MVP, a DPOY award and has made some All-NBA's and all-defensive teams.

But the Admiral has an MVP which is the most difficult award to get, has a scoring title, has been a great rebounder and shot blocker. He was also DPOY and all-nba/all-defensive during all his career, except his last season.

Kawhi needs much more consistency or at least two more 'ships to make the argument, but it's not impossible.

[Kawhitstorm]

But the Admiral has an MVP which is the most difficult award to get.

Derrick Rose won an MVP but he wouldn't be top 5 this season.:lol It's all about timing, Rose won it despite LeBron being the best player in the league b/c Bron was public enemy #1 & the Heatles were still working out the kinks aka the reason why they lost to the Mavs.

Kawhi could easily win it next season if the Spurs finish w/ a better record than the Worriers who are bound to be worn out if they repeat along w/ the Olympics commitment.

[Obstructed_View]

Yes especially with David blocks

I just picked his rookie year because they're closest in age, but in today's NBA a 24-year-old Robinson probably puts up even better numbers than that, despite having better teammates.

[YGWHI]

If this year's Spurs had a center giving them 24 points, 12 rebounds and 4 blocks in place of Kawhi I dare say they'd be in contention for first place in the west.


Man I wish we could have seen Robinson in today's game where teams try to get out in transition, where having a bigman who can get out and guard the pick and roll is critical, where he would have tons of space to face his man up and take him off the dribble thanks to the great shooters in the league. This is an era really made for David Robinson's skillset, I can't imagine what he would be like in today's game.

Playing for Pop now? Nah...

If he DRob plays just 32.7 mpg like Kawhi this season, and must share the ball with a better supporting cast than he had in the 90's, he would put the same Kawhi's numbers, higher in rebounds bc position...but that's all.

In his best season DRob scored 30 points taking almost 26 FGA playing 40 mpg...

Do you really think that Pop would keep him on the court when the game is a blowout? Or he could take 20 FGA or more on this Spurs team?
It's likely he won't have a 40 point-game-in-the season...Pop would sit David after his 34.

Pop has changed a lot since Tim's prime, he treats his best players like everyone is 39 years old now, it doesn't matter if Kawhi's 24 and LMA's 6 years older, both receive the same treatment.

DRob wouldn't have a chance to make his prime numbers, like Kawhi or any other Spur doesn't have one now.

[Obstructed_View]

In his best season DRob scored 30 points taking almost 26 FGA playing 40 mpg...

Not sure where you got this, as David had less than 21 fga the year he won the scoring title, and that was due to a combination of an offensively wretched supporting cast and a coach who really wanted the scoring title. Regardless, Kawhi is great, he's one of my favorite players and if he has a season like this one for the next ten years, then he's going to be in the conversation with anyone. I'm really hoping that happens.

[YGWHI]

Not sure where you got this, as David had less than 21 fga the year he won the scoring title
I wonder the same...My bad.
I've posted in the thread "David Robinson in his best scoring season took 20.7 FGA per game and played 40.5 mpg" not sure how it ended in "26 FGA" after 5 pages.

[Obstructed_View]

I wonder the same...My bad.
I've posted in the thread "David Robinson in his best scoring season took 20.7 FGA per game and played 40.5 mpg" not sure how it ended in "26 FGA" after 5 pages.

Well he certainly wouldn't take that many shots on this year's team. I'd sure be interested in seeing his assist numbers when surrounded by guys who can finish.