WestBrick is EASILY the most overrated MVP candidate

[Kawhitstorm]

He hasn't had any triple doubles against the the 3 real contenders: Duds/Spurs/Cavs.....actually he was horrific in a couple of matchups against those teams.

He leads the league in turnovers per 48 minutes, has the WORST Adjusted Field Goal Percentage (49%) among the top 4 players in FGA & has the WORST 3P% (30%) among all players not named Kobrick w/ 300 attempts .

Besides, he's the point guard of a team that can't closeout games & execute during crunch-time. He's basically the MVP of crushing non-contenders & even then he was terrible against the Pistons when KD wasn't by his side.

Harden is better than him & proved it this past Sunday.

[spurraider21]

westbrook is in the same boat as demarcus cousins... has the talent to be the best player in the NBA but gets in his own way of doing so. i mean he's a PG averaging 8 rebounds and 10 assists :lol

he's gotten his overall shooting% up, but he still takes way too many dumb outside shots. transition pull-up jumpers from 20 feet, waay too many 3's for a guy who quite frankly isn't and never was a good 3 point shooter. he should just accept it and become more effcient, modeling his shot selection after d-wade.

coming out of UCLA he was supposed to come in and be the next gary peyton defensively, but he really hasn't lived up, though he has the size and athletic ability to actually be one of the great defensive players of the position.

plus he's mistake prone in crunch time, has too big an ego, is generally retarded, etc.

[Kawhitstorm]

westbrook is in the same boat as demarcus cousins... has the talent to be the best player in the NBA but gets in his own way of doing so

WestBrick is a low IQ (Steve Francis status) version of Baron Davis except he's in shape & "plays hard". I'll take 2008 playoff Baron Davis over WestBrick 7 days a week, Davis was basically a smaller version James Harden w/ elite athleticism.

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[spurraider21]

baron davis was an inefficient chucker who could throw down nice dunks. he was a shittier westbrook who had 1 healthy season in his prime and has become over-glorified because his 8 seed team won an exciting series one time

westbrook > harden > davis/francis are a wash, but i'd give a slight edge to davis because he had memorable playoff moments

[hater]

What retard said Chuckbrook is and MVP candidate????? :lol

I wanna see links to these retarded humans

[Brazil]

:lol I'm saying that for a while tbh...

:cry <3

[TDMVPDPOY]

his continuing what he did last season with a late push in the 2nd half of the season by padding stats for tripple doubles

i dont give a shit if he avgs a tripple double, when his team record is 3rd in west and lower, he has no business winning mvp...

and for that other pos curry who was god mode all season, i dont care if he +30ppg and all these advance stats, when ur the superior team all year, yet by the end of the season ur only 1 game ahead of 2nd place or tied with 2nd place team then he cant be clear cut mvp

[hater]

Lol I remember when he played lime 45 minutes a game at the end of the season until someone dented his face :lol

[will_spurs]

What retard said Chuckbrook is and MVP candidate????? :lol

I wanna see links to these retarded humans

It's all over ESPN...

Anyway Westbrook needs to get coached (and benched from time to time). Since it's not happening, he'll remain a stat-padder.

[hater]

It's all over ESPN...

Anyway Westbrook needs to get coached (and benched from time to time). Since it's not happening, he'll remain a stat-padder.

Well that explains it. ESPN is a network run by retards.

[will_spurs]

Well that explains it. ESPN is a network run by retards.

Yup, nothing new under the sun.

[apalisoc_9]

Pretty much. Non mainstream fans have him out of the top 5 though.

Still, love westbrook. One of my favourite nba personalities.

[Brazil]

Pretty much. Non mainstream fans have him out of the top 5 though.

Still, love westbrook. One of my favourite nba personalities.

Harlem is a big fan.. he has him easy in his top 5 tbh

[hater]

It's Elian alone at #1.

Kawhi alone at #2

Lebron at 3

And probably CP3 at 4 by a looooooooooooooong shot.

Absolutely no one else

[hater]

Harlem is a big fan.. he has him easy in his top 5 tbh

Well if you must have 5 MVP candidates then I guess he's as good as any. But why not go ahead and have 100 MVP candidates then? :rolleyes

Stupidity

[apalisoc_9]

Harlem is a big fan.. he has him easy in his top 5 tbh

Wb is a top 5 player in the league. Dominos is probably the 2nd or third best player in the world though. He should leave because hes going to get overshadowed by the raw statistical numbers westbrook is putting up

[spurraider21]

Wb is a top 5 player in the league.


Non mainstream fans have him out of the top 5 though.
well i guess we know who the mainstream fan here is

[apalisoc_9]

well i guess we know who the mainstream fan here is

Im talking about mvp this year dumbass.

I actually have paul at 5th right now.

[spurraider21]

lol mainstream fan

:cry spurs shouldn't get aldridge :cry

[Brazil]

Wb is a top 5 player in the league. Dominos is probably the 2nd or third best player in the world though. He should leave because hes going to get overshadowed by the raw statistical numbers westbrook is putting up

WB is this year borderline top 5 tbh...

Dude is a freak and you cannot deny his impact on the game but at the same his IQ is terrible... he cannot control himself, shooting 3 or 4 3s per game when you are one of the worst 3 pts shooter of the league is beyond me... I agree on Durant he is right there, he is actually improving his game especially passing but because of RW and his apparent softness he is becoming pretty underrated imo

[DMC]

RW reminds of of those pool players who spend 20 minutes rolling a stick around on a table to see if it's straight, then shoot as hard as they possibly can on every shot, never heard of pocket speed, and they lose. That's RW. Oh he's gifted, sure thing, but brains weren't in that gift.

[Kawhitstorm]

baron davis was an inefficient chucker who could throw down nice dunks. he was a shittier westbrook who had 1 healthy season in his prime and has become over-glorified because his 8 seed team won an exciting series one time.

davis/francis are a wash

:lmao

You sir are an epic dumbass for comparing Baron Davis to Steve Francis!!!:lol

You are aware Baron Davis had an All-Star/All-NBA career w/ the Hornets before he fucked up his back during the peak of his prime (ala T-Mac) & became a fat fuck?:lol

2000-01: (2nd year in the league)
-Led an upset the Heat in the 1st rd: http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2001-nba-eastern-conference-first-round-hornets-vs-heat.html
-Took the same Bucks that should have gone to the Finals if they didn't get jobbed by the refs against the Sixers to 7 games:

n-RIoxrSfSE

2002-03: (Mashburn misses the postseason b/c of illness)
-Outplayed All-NBA 1st team T-Mac & almost averages a triple double for the series: http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2002-nba-eastern-conference-first-round-magic-vs-hornets.html

WfVxMYsKwlg

09R5OuLSHY4

TyoTKbhiBVA

-Held his own against MVP candidate PEAK J-Kidd in the 2nd rd w/ David Wesley as his wingman:lol: http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2002-nba-eastern-conference-semifinals-hornets-vs-nets.html

2003: Injured his back & missed a bunch of game but had a solid series against the Sixers: http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2003-nba-eastern-conference-first-round-hornets-vs-76ers.html

2003-04:
-Starts the season on FIYAH & was the leading MVP candidate: http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2003-11-25/sports/0311250140_1_baron-davis-heat-guard


Tonight, Davis enters as the early-season Most Valuable Player of the Eastern Conference, if not the entire league.

"He's playing absolutely incredible basketball," Heat coach Stan Van Gundy said Monday.

How dominant has Davis been through the first month of the season?

Monday he stood first in the league in assists (112), first in steals (44), first in 3-pointers made (53), second in scoring average (24.7) and third in minutes (561).

For good measure, he was coming off a game-winning dunk in the final second of Sunday's 81-80 victory in Detroit.

"There's nobody playing better than Baron right now," Pistons guard Chauncey Billups said. "He's unbelievable."



...then he fucked up his back before the all-star break & he never regained his peak form but showed flashes in Golden State ala T-Mac in Houston.

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Meanwhile, Francis NEVER won a SINGLE playoff series (actually made the playoff ONLY once & won ONE game in his career:lol), NEVER made an all-NBA team & was trash once he lost his quickness. If you want to compare Francis to anyone then it should be Marbury.:rolleyes

[313]

Westbrook <3

[spurraider21]

way too long of a post
francis at his peak had a higher PER, more win shares, higher win shares per 48, shot better from the field (FG and TS), better VORP numbers than baron davis

they're in the same ballpark, but like i said, i'll give an edge to davis because he had playoff moments. don't go nuts overrating davis, who's legacy is vastly inflated because of the 2007 first round series

francis only made the playoffs once, and it was against a vastly superior lakers squad, and francis outplayed kobe for most of that series... http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2004-nba-western-conference-first-round-rockets-vs-lakers.html

[Kawhitstorm]

francis at his peak had a higher PER, more win shares, higher win shares per 48, shot better from the field (FG and TS), better VORP numbers than baron davis

Which explain why Baron made the All-NBA team over Francis in 2003-04 when they were BOTH at their peak.:lol Francis NEVER won "Player of the Month" & never got a SINGLE MVP vote in his ENTIRE career.

Besides, Francis advanced stats weren't better than Baron's when he was ACTUALLY playing on a playoff team (2003-04).


they're in the same ballpark, but like i said, i'll give an edge to davis because he had playoff moments.

Baron Davis playoff career is better than Steve Francis ENTIRE career. Francis was voted as a STARTER into the All-star game b/c of his And-1 videos & Yao.:lol

Trash ass Tyreke Evans was putting up similar number as a rookie on a trash ass team.:lol


don't go nuts overrating davis, who's legacy is vastly inflated because of the 2007 first round series

Forget 2007, give me a list of players that have ACTUALLY outplayed T-Mac at his PEAK in a playoff series. Not beat him but OUTPLAYED him head-to-head
...still waiting.:wakeup



francis only made the playoffs once, and it was against a vastly superior lakers squad, and francis outplayed kobe for most of that series... http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2004-nba-western-conference-first-round-rockets-vs-lakers.html

Rip Hamilton outplayed 2004 Kobrick, that isn't saying much buddy. That ain't no where in the ball park as averaging close to a triple-double in a series or outplaying PEAK T-Mac.

Francis got traded b/c he couldn't play "winning" basketball (ala Marbury) & was interested in a dribbling exhibition rather than giving the ball to Yao.:lol

[spurraider21]

francis got traded because they were able to pull in tracy fuckin mcgrady and davis was playing in a weaker eastern conference

[Kawhitstorm]

francis got traded because they were able to pull in tracy fuckin mcgrady and davis was playing in a weaker eastern conference

Francis was so good he wasn't worth the same player Baron Davis outplayed in a playoff series before he (T-Mac) was damaged goods (back/knee).......thus the Rockets had to throw in 20 point scorer Cuttino Mobley.

Bruh, Jeff Van Gundy wanted to dump Francis worse that GM LeBron wants to dump Kyrie.:lol

[spurraider21]

Francis was so good he wasn't worth the same player Baron Davis outplayed in a playoff series before he (T-Mac) was damaged goods (back/knee).......thus the Rockets had to throw in 20 point scorer Cuttino Mobley.

Bruh, Jeff Van Gundy wanted to dump Francis worse that GM LeBron wants to dump Kyrie.:lol
all your great moments of baron "outplaying" people is him taking a lot of shots and shooting 40% from the field. he was a low efficiency chucker.

:lol mobley... he was an undersized, terrible defender who had a couple of nice years. he only had 1 season of good play after he was traded, whereas mcgrady was a top 5 talent in the game at the time, as they wanted a superstar to pair with yao

[Kawhitstorm]

all your great moments of baron "outplaying" people is him taking a lot of shots and shooting 40% from the field. he was a low efficiency chucker

Iverson is a career 40% shooter in the playoffs but a 1st ballot HOFer.:lol

Baron Davis is a career 44% shooter in the playoffs & WestBrick is a career 42% shooter.

Remember when WestBrick had to be rescued by Reggie Jackson:

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[spurraider21]

Iverson is a career 40% shooter in the playoffs but a 1st ballot HOFer.:lol
iverson was about as efficient as francis (more efficient than davis) but with considerably higher volume, and was a great defender, which neither davis/francis were

[Leetonidas]

arguing over scrubs :lol

[spurraider21]

:lol... i said they're about a wash with davis getting the nod and kiwistorm is pretending davis is a hall of fame talent

[Kawhitstorm]

iverson was about as efficient as francis (more efficient than davis) but with considerably higher volume, and was a great defender, which neither davis/francis were

You must LEARN:

L:lolL @ Iverson being a "great" defender; is it b/c he led the league in steals?:lmao (Baron also led the league in steals a couple of times)

Iverson shot 34% (TS: 43%:lol) in the 2001 ECF against the Bucks which the Sixers won b/c they were playing 6-on-5: http://ballislife.com/the-2001-bucks-vs-76ers-conspiracy-theory-series/

Baron Davis shot 44% (TS: 57%) against those same Bucks.
- http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2001-nba-eastern-conference-finals-bucks-vs-76ers.html
- http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2001-nba-eastern-conference-finals-bucks-vs-76ers.html

In 2003, they faced each other & Baron was MORE efficient (TS%): http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2003-nba-eastern-conference-first-round-hornets-vs-76ers.html


(http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2001-nba-eastern-conference-finals-bucks-vs-76ers.html)

[Kawhitstorm]

:lol... i said they're about a wash with davis getting the nod and kiwistorm is pretending davis is a hall of fame talent

Baron outplayed T-Mac in his prime & MVP Dirk in a playoff series. Holla at me when Francis wins a Chinese league MVP.:lol

[Kawhitstorm]

arguing over scrubs :lol

Bruh, nobody mentioned Porker's name.:wakeup

[spursistan]

I think i have settled on the Mavs as who i want the Spurs to meet if no Grizzlies..no way a team with JJ Barea as it best player for the past two weeks should take us to more than 4 or, at worst, 5 games in a series..:lol

[Kawhitstorm]

I think i have settled on the Mavs as who i want the Spurs meet if no Grizzlies..no way a team with JJ Barea as it best player for the past two weeks should takes us to more than 4 or, at worst, 5 games in a series..:lol

They should play the Worriers & avenge 2007 w/ Barea outplaying Wardell.:lol

[Kidd K]

:lmao

You sir are an epic dumbass for comparing Baron Davis to Steve Francis!!!:lol

You are aware Baron Davis had an All-Star/All-NBA career w/ the Hornets before he fucked up his back during the peak of his prime (ala T-Mac) & became a fat fuck?:lol

2000-01: (2nd year in the league)
-Led an upset the Heat in the 1st rd: http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2001-nba-eastern-conference-first-round-hornets-vs-heat.html
-Took the same Bucks that should have gone to the Finals if they didn't get jobbed by the refs against the Sixers to 7 games:

n-RIoxrSfSE

2002-03: (Mashburn misses the postseason b/c of illness)
-Outplayed All-NBA 1st team T-Mac & almost averages a triple double for the series: http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2002-nba-eastern-conference-first-round-magic-vs-hornets.html

WfVxMYsKwlg

09R5OuLSHY4

TyoTKbhiBVA

-Held his own against MVP candidate PEAK J-Kidd in the 2nd rd w/ David Wesley as his wingman:lol: http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2002-nba-eastern-conference-semifinals-hornets-vs-nets.html

2003: Injured his back & missed a bunch of game but had a solid series against the Sixers: http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2003-nba-eastern-conference-first-round-hornets-vs-76ers.html

2003-04:
-Starts the season on FIYAH & was the leading MVP candidate: http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2003-11-25/sports/0311250140_1_baron-davis-heat-guard



...then he fucked up his back before the all-star break & he never regained his peak form but showed flashes in Golden State ala T-Mac in Houston.

JdCI-n1C5Q8

Mp_jbvp3eoU

Meanwhile, Francis NEVER won a SINGLE playoff series (actually made the playoff ONLY once & won ONE game in his career:lol), NEVER made an all-NBA team & was trash once he lost his quickness. If you want to compare Francis to anyone then it should be Marbury.:rolleyes

Good post tbh. Baron Davis seems underappreciated on here suddenly for some reason.

[spurraider21]

You must LEARN:

Iverson shot 34% (TS: 43%:lol) in the 2001 ECF against the Bucks which the Sixers won b/c they were playing 6-on-5: http://ballislife.com/the-2001-bucks-vs-76ers-conspiracy-theory-series/

Baron Davis shot 44% (TS: 57%) against those same Bucks.
- http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2001-nba-eastern-conference-finals-bucks-vs-76ers.html
- http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2001-nba-eastern-conference-finals-bucks-vs-76ers.html

In 2003, they faced each other & Baron was MORE efficient (TS%): http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2003-nba-eastern-conference-first-round-hornets-vs-76ers.html




(http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2001-nba-eastern-conference-finals-bucks-vs-76ers.html)
:lol "more efficient"... 44.6 to 44.4 from the field, TS within 2 percentage points... in the meantime iverson was relied upon WAY more, averaging 35 a game while davis was scoring 20, while playing 80 more minutes over the course of the series

i have no interest continuing a conversation of which inefficient chucker was better than the other (we actually agree on who is better) or by how much. baron davis was a lesser version of westbrook, through and through

[Kawhitstorm]

:lol "more efficient"... 44.6 to 44.4 from the field, TS within 2 percentage points... in the meantime iverson was relied upon WAY more, averaging 35 a game while davis was scoring 20, while playing 80 more minutes over the course of the series

Bruh, you are out here playing pseudo advanced metric gymnastics b/c you got your ass handed to you by FACTS.:sleep

[Kawhitstorm]

Good post tbh. Baron Davis seems underappreciated on here suddenly for some reason.

That's b/c the Hornet rarely got national TV appearances so MAINSTREAM folks didn't know how good he was until he had a career revival at Golden State. Otherwise, folks assume he was ALWAYS the fat chucker he was after his back injury.:lol

[Mnky]

WB is a top 5 player. MVP candidate? Definitely a candidate. Is he the top candidate? Nah. He's having a great season tho. LeBron, curry, Kawhi, and Paul are the ones I got. It's crazy how bad the cavaliers are without LeBron. Even at this stage of his career, he still turns arguably a non playoff team into a contender. Curry is playing out of his mind, and definitely the reason the warriors are so good. Kawhi is a major Cog in the machine that is the spurs. Paul is still arguably the best at making the players around him better. Without Paul, clippers are not contenders.

Pretty crazy how different each of those teams would be without their stars. They also deserve props.

[Down Under]

WORST Adjusted Field Goal Percentage (49%) among the top 4 players in FGA :lmao

[Kawhitstorm]

WB is a top 5 player. MVP candidate? Definitely a candidate. Is he the top candidate? Nah. He's having a great season tho. LeBron, curry, Kawhi, and Paul are the ones I got.

He isn't even the best player on his OWN team.:lol Durant is SIGNIFICANTLY better than him:

-Durant had his best season & won MVP/59 games when WestBrick was injured in 2013-14
-WestBrick put up empty stats & led OKC to the lotto when Durant was injured last season:lmao

Durant/WestBrick is just a less magnified version of LeBron/Kyrie

[Mnky]

He isn't even the best player on his OWN team.:lol Durant is SIGNIFICANTLY better than him:

-Durant had his best season & won MVP/59 games when WestBrick was injured in 2013-14
-WestBrick put up empty stats & led OKC to the lotto when Durant was injured last season:lmao

Durant/WestBrick is just a less magnified version of LeBron/Kyrie

Doesn't really change anything I said tbh.

[Kawhitstorm]

Doesn't really change anything I said tbh.

Except the "top 5" part b/c you already acknowledged Curry/Bron/Kawhi/Paul....:wakeup (Harden also outplayed him)

[Mnky]

Except the "top 5" part b/c you already acknowledged Curry/Bron/Kawhi/Paul....:wakeup (Harden also outplayed him)

You have a bad habit of trying to create arguments that arnt there when you mis-speak.

[Obstructed_View]

First 46 minutes of the game, there aren't many guys I'd rather have on my team than Westbrook.