Kawhi had less shots than the Warriors 4th option last night...

[spursistan]

yes that happened last night in a game the Warriors had only 3 more overall FGAs..

This team has no chance in potential series without Kawhi blowing up in a couple or more games, tbh..

[LongtimeSpursFan]

I believe we've already stated that Kawhi doesn't have the ability to get his own shot on a regular basis like most superstars. Plus his inability to get to the rim and finish makes him easy to guard. He has to play within system to get a good shot. Having Parker or Mills bring up the ball and giving to Kawhi for him to create a shot is not playing to his strength. Kawhi doesn't move well without the ball like other players so he can't get too many easy looks that way.
Saying Kawhi needs more shots is easy. Kawhi also has to learn how to play within system and recognize what the defense is giving him so he can get more shots.

[DarrinS]

I believe we've already stated that Kawhi doesn't have the ability to get his own shot on a regular basis like most superstars. Plus his inability to get to the rim and finish makes him easy to guard. He has to play within system to get a good shot. Having Parker or Mills bring up the ball and giving to Kawhi for him to create a shot is not playing to his strength. Kawhi doesn't move well without the ball like other players so he can't get too many easy looks that way.
Saying Kawhi needs more shots is easy. Kawhi also has to learn how to play within system and recognize what the defense is giving him so he can get more shots.


^Who is this retard?

[spursistan]

I believe we've already stated that Kawhi doesn't have the ability to get his own shot on a regular basis like most superstars. Plus his inability to get to the rim and finish makes him easy to guard. He has to play within system to get a good shot. Having Parker or Mills bring up the ball and giving to Kawhi for him to create a shot is not playing to his strength. Kawhi doesn't move well without the ball like other players so he can't get too many easy looks that way.
Saying Kawhi needs more shots is easy. Kawhi also has to learn how to play within system and recognize what the defense is giving him so he can get more shots.
man..you are a shitty troll..

[apalisoc_9]

yes that happened last night in a game the Warriors had only 3 more overall FGAs..

This team has no chance in potential series without Kawhi blowing up in a couple or more games, tbh..

Jmits the parker effect...notice how many shots he gets when Parker isnt trying to hero?

[apalisoc_9]

Crazy how still managed to get 23 points though.

[hater]

He just dissapears at times. He also needs to start talking to his teammates and refs. He should be talking the entire game

[Dre_7]

He better be taking a lot more shots come playoff time!

[DenialTwist]

I believe we've already stated that Kawhi doesn't have the ability to get his own shot on a regular basis like most superstars. Plus his inability to get to the rim and finish makes him easy to guard. He has to play within system to get a good shot. Having Parker or Mills bring up the ball and giving to Kawhi for him to create a shot is not playing to his strength. Kawhi doesn't move well without the ball like other players so he can't get too many easy looks that way.
Saying Kawhi needs more shots is easy. Kawhi also has to learn how to play within system and recognize what the defense is giving him so he can get more shots.

I really think it is IMPOSSIBLE for Kawhi to get his own shot if Tony has the ball for 20 seconds of the shot clock. If you don't realize this you are blind. Look at several of the articles that came out this morning referencing why Kawhi needs to be the playmaker against the Warriors not Parker. KL as the #1 scoring option on the Spurs should not be relegated to the three point line just to watch the starting pg brick a jumper or try to get the refs to call a kickball every time he can't shuffle a pass to Duncan.

Article I am referring to is here: http://thecomeback.com/crossoverchronicles/nba/the-spurs-might-be-playing-possum-but-they-need-kawhi-to-let-loose-vs-the-warriors.html


Maybe Kawhi won’t have to shoot to create a great shot for his team. If he draws defenders and kicks out to a wide-open Danny Green for three, that’s a good shot. The point to stress, though, is that Kawhi will need to be the primary creative agent — more than Parker, more than Manu Ginobili, more than Mills or anyone else who handles the ball for the Spurs.


Kawhi can’t limit himself to 12 field goal attempts or three 3-point attempts. Kawhi’s shot volume will have to be greater. How much greater is the question.

[ceperez]

That's why you want Kyle Anderson in the courts subbing of Tony Parker. At least KA knows he isn't the first option.

[UZER]

Miller can get the ball to Kawhi in the right spots.

[RD2191]

I was thinking Kawhi needed to run the point last night. Wonder if it would work out against the Dubs.

[SpursforSix]

I really think it is IMPOSSIBLE for Kawhi to get his own shot if Tony has the ball for 20 seconds of the shot clock.

Yep...he's too easy to defend if he's getting the ball near the arc and only a few seconds.

[NASpurs]

That's what you get when you have a hero balling point guard with the court vision of a horse with blinders on and the bball iq of Javele McGee. It's a hard concept to understand to give the ball to your best player, I know.

[dabom]

That's what you get when you have a hero balling point guard with the court vision of a horse with blinders on and the bball iq of Javele McGee. It's a hard concept to understand to give the ball to your best player, I know.

:lol

[RD2191]

That's what you get when you have a hero balling point guard with the court vision of a horse with blinders on and the bball iq of Javele McGee. It's a hard concept to understand to give the ball to your best player, I know.
Gaw damn.

[Keepin' it real]

I really think it is IMPOSSIBLE for Kawhi to get his own shot if Tony has the ball for 20 seconds of the shot clock. If you don't realize this you are blind.

The same thing happens to an extent at OKC, but there, many people blame the superstar (Durant) for not taking or demanding the ball, especially in crunch time. Should Kawhi be held to the same standard?

[TheDoctor]

That's what you get when you have a hero balling point guard with the court vision of a horse with blinders on and the bball iq of Javele McGee. It's a hard concept to understand to give the ball to your best player, I know.
:lmao

[apalisoc_9]

Notice how parker had 12 possesions last night in 26 minutes. Kawhi had 14 in 35.

When you force parker to be an option you take away your best player.

Say no to parker

[TheGreatYacht]

He's a beta bitch, that's why.

[spurraider21]

porker has been terrible, but he's still at 49% with only 4 games to go

[SpursforSix]

Notice how parker had 12 possesions last night in 26 minutes. Kawhi had 14 in 35.

When you force parker to be an option you take away your best player.

Say no to parker

and it's the same damn thing every time...

Parker dribbles...pick set for Parker...Parker ignores pick and goes to the right, can't penetrate...Parker backs up...looks for shot...Parker dribbles in a few steps, can't penetrate...Parker backs up...then it's either a Parker jump shot or a pass to a wing with a short shot clock

[Budkin]

He better be taking a lot more shots come playoff time!

Pretty sure Kawhi is going to go the fuck off when we play these guys for real.

[Clipper Nation]

The Porker Effect

[apalisoc_9]

The Porker Effect

[dabom]

The Porker Effect

:lmao

[Clipper Nation]

http://i.imgur.com/BfNw0Y7.png

[dabom]

"just get the brick" :lol

[dabom]

"Pass?"

"Tissot"

[apalisoc_9]

http://i.imgur.com/BfNw0Y7.png

[HarlemHeat37]

As I've been saying for years, it's very difficult to build an offense around a SF if he isn't a point-forward like Lebron or Larry Bird, tbh..even a historically great offensive player like Durant is constantly "frozen out" due to scheme/PG, it's not an easy position to successfully carry an offense..

In the case of the Spurs, with the way the roster is constructed, Parker is always going to get his "mandatory touches"..partly due to his status in the all-time landscape of the Spurs, but also because he becomes useless if the ball isn't in his hands..if he's on the court, he essentially needs the ball in his hands as much as possible or it's pointless to have him out there, and of course Pop isn't going to bench him..

[dabom]

As I've been saying for years, it's very difficult to build an offense around a SF if he isn't a point-forward like Lebron or Larry Bird, tbh..even a historically great offensive player like Durant is constantly "frozen out" due to scheme/PG, it's not an easy position to successfully carry an offense..

In the case of the Spurs, with the way the roster is constructed, Parker is always going to get his "mandatory touches"..partly due to his status in the all-time landscape of the Spurs, but also because he becomes useless if the ball isn't in his hands..if he's on the court, he essentially needs the ball in his hands as much as possible or it's pointless to have him out there, and of course Pop isn't going to bench him..

You just answered your own problem. The offense is bad due to a shit player. Not Kawhi. Besides this team could have won 70 games this year if it wanted. The team is a top 5 team RS alltime.

[Kawhitstorm]

It was Patty/Manu that froze out Kawhi after LMA checked out.:wakeup

[dabom]

It was Patty/Manu that froze out Kawhi after LMA checked out.:wakeup

No it wasn't you stupid fuck. :lmao

[Kawhitstorm]

No it wasn't you stupid fuck. :lmao



3:18.0
L. Aldridge (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aldrila01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 1 ft (block by A. Bogut (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bogutan01.html))

13-15




3:17.0


13-15

Defensive rebound by H. Barnes (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/barneha02.html)


3:11.0
Personal foul by L. Aldridge (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aldrila01.html)

13-15




3:11.0


13-15

Golden State full timeout


3:11.0
P. Mills (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa02.html) enters the game for K. Leonard (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01.html)


13-15




3:11.0
M. Ginobili (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/ginobma01.html) enters the game for L. Aldridge (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aldrila01.html)


13-15




3:11.0
D. West (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/westda01.html) enters the game for T. Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html)


13-15




3:11.0


13-15

L. Barbosa (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/barbole01.html) enters the game for H. Barnes (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/barneha02.html)


3:11.0


13-15

F. Ezeli (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/ezelife01.html) enters the game for A. Bogut (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bogutan01.html)


3:11.0


13-15

D. Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greendr01.html) enters the game for K. Thompson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html)


2:52.0


13-15

F. Ezeli (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/ezelife01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 5 ft


2:52.0
Defensive rebound by D. Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02.html)

13-15




2:39.0
M. Ginobili (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/ginobma01.html) misses 3-pt shot from 26 ft


13-15




2:38.0


13-15

Defensive rebound by S. Curry (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/curryst01.html)


2:35.0


13-15

S. Curry (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/curryst01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 13 ft


2:35.0
Defensive rebound by D. Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02.html)

13-15




2:23.0
Turnover by M. Ginobili (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/ginobma01.html) (lost ball)


13-15




2:10.0


13-15

F. Ezeli (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/ezelife01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 1 ft


2:09.0
Defensive rebound by D. Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02.html)

13-15




2:03.0
T. Duncan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html) makes 2-pt shot at rim (assist by D. West (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/westda01.html))
+2
15-15




1:49.0
Violation by T. Duncan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html) (kicked ball)

15-15




1:44.0


15-18
+3
L. Barbosa (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/barbole01.html) makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft (assist by S. Curry (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/curryst01.html))


1:21.0
Turnover by T. Duncan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html) (lost ball; steal by A. Iguodala (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/iguodan01.html))

15-18




1:16.0
Personal foul by M. Ginobili (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/ginobma01.html)

15-18




1:13.0


15-18

S. Curry (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/curryst01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 2 ft (block by D. Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02.html))


1:13.0


15-18

Offensive rebound by Team


1:06.0


15-18

L. Barbosa (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/barbole01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 8 ft


1:05.0


15-18

Offensive rebound by L. Barbosa (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/barbole01.html)


1:04.0


15-18

L. Barbosa (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/barbole01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 3 ft


1:04.0


15-18

Offensive rebound by F. Ezeli (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/ezelife01.html)


1:03.0


15-18

F. Ezeli (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/ezelife01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 1 ft


1:01.0
Defensive rebound by T. Duncan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html)

15-18




0:51.0
T. Duncan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 1 ft

15-18




0:51.0


15-18

Defensive rebound by A. Iguodala (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/iguodan01.html)


0:45.0


15-18

Turnover by A. Iguodala (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/iguodan01.html) (lost ball; steal by P. Mills (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa02.html))


0:33.0
D. Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02.html) misses 3-pt shot from 27 ft

15-18




0:33.0


15-18

Defensive rebound by F. Ezeli (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/ezelife01.html)


0:14.0


15-20
+2
S. Curry (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/curryst01.html) makes 2-pt shot from 2 ft


0:03.0
P. Mills (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa02.html) misses 3-pt shot from 27 ft


15-20




0:01.0


15-20

Defensive rebound by Team


0:00.0


15-20

S. Curry (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/curryst01.html) misses 3-pt shot from 68 ft


0:00.0


15-20

Offensive rebound by Team


0:00.0
End of 1st quarter

[Kawhitstorm]

No it wasn't you stupid fuck. :lmao



2nd Quarter (Back to Top (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/pbp/201604070GSW.html#pbp))


Time
San Antonio
Score
Golden State


12:00.0
Start of 2nd quarter


11:50.0


15-20

D. Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greendr01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 1 ft


11:49.0
Defensive rebound by K. Anderson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anderky01.html)

15-20




11:39.0
K. Leonard (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 2 ft

15-20




11:38.0


15-20

Defensive rebound by D. Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greendr01.html)


11:35.0


15-23
+3
B. Rush (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rushbr01.html) makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft (assist by D. Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greendr01.html))


11:13.0
D. West (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/westda01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 7 ft

15-23




11:12.0


15-23

Defensive rebound by D. Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greendr01.html)


11:01.0


15-25
+2
S. Livingston (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/livinsh01.html) makes 2-pt shot at rim (assist by D. Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greendr01.html))


10:48.0
P. Mills (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa02.html) misses 2-pt shot from 20 ft


15-25




10:47.0


15-25

Defensive rebound by D. Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greendr01.html)


10:39.0


15-25

D. Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greendr01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 2 ft


10:39.0
Defensive rebound by Team

15-25




10:26.0


15-25

Personal foul by L. Barbosa (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/barbole01.html)


10:26.0


15-25

M. Speights (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/speigma01.html) enters the game for F. Ezeli (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/ezelife01.html)


10:26.0


15-25

K. Thompson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html) enters the game for L. Barbosa (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/barbole01.html)


10:24.0


15-25

Personal foul by S. Livingston (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/livinsh01.html)


10:11.0
P. Mills (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa02.html) misses 3-pt shot from 23 ft


15-25




10:11.0


15-25

Defensive rebound by K. Thompson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html)


10:05.0
Personal foul by P. Mills (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa02.html)

15-25




10:02.0


15-27
+2
K. Thompson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html) makes 2-pt shot from 11 ft (assist by S. Livingston (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/livinsh01.html))


9:46.0
M. Ginobili (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/ginobma01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 14 ft


15-27




9:45.0


15-27

Defensive rebound by M. Speights (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/speigma01.html)


9:38.0


15-29
+2
D. Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greendr01.html) makes 2-pt shot at rim (assist by K. Thompson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html))


9:18.0
Shooting foul by B. Rush (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rushbr01.html) (drawn by K. Anderson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anderky01.html))

15-29




9:18.0
K. Anderson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anderky01.html) makes 2-pt shot from 2 ft (assist by D. West (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/westda01.html))
+2
17-29




9:18.0
K. Anderson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anderky01.html) makes free throw 1 of 1
+1
18-29




9:02.0


18-29

S. Livingston (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/livinsh01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 12 ft


9:02.0
Defensive rebound by K. Anderson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anderky01.html)

18-29




8:51.0


18-29

Personal foul by K. Thompson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html)


8:51.0
Official timeout

18-29




8:51.0
L. Aldridge (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aldrila01.html) enters the game for M. Ginobili (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/ginobma01.html)


18-29

[dabom]

1st quarter you stupid fuck. Don't ever talk to me again. :lmao

[Kawhitstorm]

1st quarter you stupid fuck. Don't ever talk to me again. :lmao

You mean when Pop was FORCE feeding LMA until he fucked up his finger?:lol

Porky took more shots than Kawhi but it was b/c the Worriers were daring him to shoot while Pop had Kawhi camped in the corner by design for LMA's postups meanwhile Patty/Manu were hero-ballin' when LMA was OUT of the game.:rolleyes

718276070420647940

[TheGreatYacht]

^ :wow

[Kikoluna]

It's horrible to watch Parker dribble for 17 seconds then passing the ball to a guy with 5 seconds or less left. If he passes at all actually. How pop allows this is insane

[Arcadian]

Parker was always a shoot-first point guard. What did you think, he was gonna suddenly transform into John Stockton when he turned 30? :lol Nope, he's still the same guy...just slower, and worse at scoring.

[HarlemHeat37]

You just answered your own problem. The offense is bad due to a shit player. Not Kawhi. Besides this team could have won 70 games this year if it wanted. The team is a top 5 team RS alltime.

Of course I'm not "blaming" Kawhi, I'm just saying it's a tough position to build around if you have other players that need to "eat", too..

Kawhi has become the featured player for the Spurs, but not to the extent you see with virtually all other teams and their stars..he doesn't have carte blanche and the team often treats him like a big, where they "forget" to give him the ball for stretches..

[Kawhitstorm]

he doesn't have carte blanche and the team often treats him like a big, where they "forget" to give him the ball for stretches..

Pop for the most part runs a laissez faire offense in the regular season so it's to be expected.

[midnightpulp]

No it wasn't you stupid fuck. :lmao

Yes it was.

If I had the energy, I could screen cap every game this season in which Patty and Kawhi are on the floor, and Patty, contrary to what you idiots believe, doesn't just dribble the ball down and "gib it to Kiwi :cry." He either hands it off to Manu or runs the offense himself similarly to how Tony runs it, and Patty has even worse tunnel vision than Tony.

As Harlem said above, it's very difficult to for an SF to "run the offense" unless he's an elite passer. Furthermore, PGs and SFs are typically spaced on opposite sides of the floor and don't really play 2 man games. If they did, spacing would be fucked. A PG usually plays a 2 man game with a big man, and from there, the offense is set in motion.

I don't get where this myth comes from that Patty on the floor means more touches for Kawhi. Patty looks for his shot just as much as Tony does.

[SpursFan86]

I don't get where this myth comes from that Patty on the floor means more touches for Kawhi. Patty looks for his shot just as much as Tony does.

USG isn't perfect when it comes to judging how involved a player is, but...

with Parker on: Kawhi's USG = 24.5%

with Mills on, Parker off: Kawhi's USG = 28.5%

Obviously some people here exaggerate things, but I think it's pretty fair to say Kawhi tends to be more involved with the offense when Parker isn't playing.

[midnightpulp]

Look at some of these set plays from Triangle and Horns:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/28/ba/81/28ba819e1961fe8845747fe50b2dd5e7.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQHorj4e3q09qTJoxfryR0pDs31vYkwx IVrquZliHl_ireJ_AqG

http://www.jes-basketball.com/playbook/fig/Triangle-corneroption_4.png

http://www.msgnetworks.com/content/dam/msg/teams/knicks/knicks-triangle-offense-1920.jpg/jcr:content/renditions/cq5dam.thumbnail.960.540.margin.png

http://www.msgnetworks.com/content/dam/msg/teams/knicks/traingle-offense-diagram.jpg

http://www.coachmartygross.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/SIU-Horns-Action_20111.jpg

http://hoopstudent.com/images/screen-the-screener/horns-post-feed-1.jpg

I can go on. Very, very rarely does a set play (in any set or scheme) have a PG and SF directly interacting. Parker isn't "ignoring" Kawhi out of jealously, wanting to the hero, or any other silly fuckin' conspiracy Kiwi fanboys have cooked up. It's by design, because that's the way the design has always been throughout basketball history.

And the reason Kawhi seems to play better alongside Mills, is because Mills can space the floor more than Parker. But Mills is limited in too many other areas for that 135-95 ORTG/DRTG to be sustainable long term. Over a significant sample size, Mills would make the starting unit worse than Parker has made it. Mills has a perfect role off the bench as a quick offense player. Wanting to change the Parker/Mills rotation would be asinine. That said, I do support Mills closing the game in certain instances, but not wholesale replacing Parker's role, like some dipshits want.

[midnightpulp]

USG isn't perfect when it comes to judging how involved a player is, but...

with Parker on: Kawhi's USG = 24.5%

with Mills on, Parker off: Kawhi's USG = 28.5%

Obviously some people here exaggerate things, but I think it's pretty fair to say Kawhi tends to be more involved with the offense when Parker isn't playing.

Meaningless without context. If LMA is also subbed out, Kawhi's usage is naturally going to increase. Also, Manu/Boris typically enters the game with Mills, and both are willing passers.

[lefty]

That's what you get when you have a hero balling point guard with the court vision of a horse with blinders on and the bball iq of Javele McGee. It's a hard concept to understand to give the ball to your best player, I know.

https://media.giphy.com/media/5xtDarIA4LwEg1waqgE/giphy.gif

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Look at some of these set plays from Triangle and Horns:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/28/ba/81/28ba819e1961fe8845747fe50b2dd5e7.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQHorj4e3q09qTJoxfryR0pDs31vYkwx IVrquZliHl_ireJ_AqG

http://www.jes-basketball.com/playbook/fig/Triangle-corneroption_4.png

http://www.msgnetworks.com/content/dam/msg/teams/knicks/knicks-triangle-offense-1920.jpg/jcr:content/renditions/cq5dam.thumbnail.960.540.margin.png

http://www.msgnetworks.com/content/dam/msg/teams/knicks/traingle-offense-diagram.jpg

http://www.coachmartygross.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/SIU-Horns-Action_20111.jpg

http://hoopstudent.com/images/screen-the-screener/horns-post-feed-1.jpg

I can go on. Very, very rarely does a set play (in any set or scheme) have a PG and SF directly interacting. Parker isn't "ignoring" Kawhi out of jealously, wanting to the hero, or any other silly fuckin' conspiracy Kiwi fanboys have cooked up. It's by design, because that's the way the design has always been throughout basketball history.

And the reason Kawhi seems to play better alongside Mills, is because Mills can space the floor more than Parker. But Mills is limited in too many other areas for that 135-95 ORTG/DRTG to be sustainable long term. Over a significant sample size, Mills would make the starting unit worse than Parker has made it. Mills has a perfect role off the bench as a quick offense player. Wanting to change the Parker/Mills rotation would be asinine. That said, I do support Mills closing the game in certain instances, but not wholesale replacing Parker's role, like some dipshits want.

Well done

[DMC]

^Who is this retard?
a longtime Spurs fan.

[SpursFan86]

Meaningless without context. If LMA is also subbed out, Kawhi's usage is naturally going to increase. Also, Manu/Boris typically enters the game with Mills, and both are willing passers.

Mills on, LMA on, Parker off: Kawhi's USG = 29.4%

Regardless, I agree that there's more to it than just "Parker freezes Kawhi out while Mills is always actively looking for him!". There are several factors at play. But I still maintain that Mills is a better fit next to Kawhi/Aldridge than Parker. I don't want to see him start or anything (I agree that lack of a penetrator would be problematic), but I do hope Pop uses him more down the stretch in the playoffs, especially if Parker is having an off night. Mills/Manu/Kawhi/Aldridge (5th guy could be Green or Diaw or Duncan, just depends on the other team's lineup) is a pretty deadly unit for example.

edit: just read the post you made right after mine...sounds like we're on the same page. I don't think Mills should completely replace Parker's role or take all of his minutes either. Just want to see Pop use him more with some of the starters down the stretch of games

[Kool Bob Love]

Look at some of these set plays from Triangle and Horns:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/28/ba/81/28ba819e1961fe8845747fe50b2dd5e7.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQHorj4e3q09qTJoxfryR0pDs31vYkwx IVrquZliHl_ireJ_AqG

http://www.jes-basketball.com/playbook/fig/Triangle-corneroption_4.png

http://www.msgnetworks.com/content/dam/msg/teams/knicks/knicks-triangle-offense-1920.jpg/jcr:content/renditions/cq5dam.thumbnail.960.540.margin.png

http://www.msgnetworks.com/content/dam/msg/teams/knicks/traingle-offense-diagram.jpg

http://www.coachmartygross.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/SIU-Horns-Action_20111.jpg

http://hoopstudent.com/images/screen-the-screener/horns-post-feed-1.jpg

I can go on. Very, very rarely does a set play (in any set or scheme) have a PG and SF directly interacting. Parker isn't "ignoring" Kawhi out of jealously, wanting to the hero, or any other silly fuckin' conspiracy Kiwi fanboys have cooked up. It's by design, because that's the way the design has always been throughout basketball history.

And the reason Kawhi seems to play better alongside Mills, is because Mills can space the floor more than Parker. But Mills is limited in too many other areas for that 135-95 ORTG/DRTG to be sustainable long term. Over a significant sample size, Mills would make the starting unit worse than Parker has made it. Mills has a perfect role off the bench as a quick offense player. Wanting to change the Parker/Mills rotation would be asinine. That said, I do support Mills closing the game in certain instances, but not wholesale replacing Parker's role, like some dipshits want.
Mids

[midnightpulp]

Mills on, LMA on, Parker off: Kawhi's USG = 29.4%

Regardless, I agree that there's more to it than just "Parker freezes Kawhi out while Mills is always actively looking for him!". There are several factors at play. But I still maintain that Mills is a better fit next to Kawhi/Aldridge than Parker. I don't want to see him start or anything (I agree that lack of a penetrator would be problematic), but I do hope Pop uses him more down the stretch in the playoffs, especially if Parker is having an off night. Mills/Manu/Kawhi/Aldridge (5th guy depending on who we're facing) is a pretty deadly unit for example.

Where are you finding these numbers? (Not that I doubt them, just want to take a look).

Also, how many of those units feature Manu? Is Duncan being subbed out (Duncan eats a bit of overall USG, as well) And who has been subbed in/out on the opposing team? There's a wealth of factors to consider here that could contribute to Kawhi's seemingly better fit alongside Mills than just the Tony effect.

I also agree that's a dangerous unit, but only in stretches and per the matchup. Long term, I don't see it being an overall boon because it kills the bench and takes a penetrator off the floor.

[SpursFan86]

Where are you finding these numbers? (Not that I doubt them, just want to take a look).

Also, how many of those units feature Manu? Is Duncan being subbed out (Duncan eats a bit of overall USG, as well) And who has been subbed in/out on the opposing team? There's a wealth of factors to consider here that could contribute to Kawhi's seemingly better fit alongside Mills than just the Tony effect.

I also agree that's a dangerous unit, but only in stretches and per the matchup. Long term, I don't see it being an overall boon because it kills the bench and takes a penetrator off the floor.

nbawowy.com --> you can search any sort of lineup you can think of (ex: Kawhi on, Diaw on, Aldridge off, Green off) and it'll spit out practically any stat you could want to know

Of the 352 minutes Mills/Kawhi/Aldridge have played together without Parker, Diaw played for 185 of those minutes and Manu played for 172. Duncan played for a little over 70 of those minutes, and Kawhi's USG was 30.7% during those minutes.

Like I said, we're basically on the same page here. I don't think making Mills the starter would be wise, nor do I think he should be playing 30 mpg at the expense of Parker's minutes. I just want to see Mills get a little more run with some of the starters (particularly Kawhi and LMA) because he's a much better fit offensively with those guys.

Losing Parker and his penetration (even though he's declined pretty heavily in that aspect) is a problem, but that's why I put forth the idea of playing Manu as well. Manu can provide that drive-and-kick offense that Mills can't. Like you said, just in stretches...not saying I want Pop to start Mills and Manu and bench Parker/Green :lol

[Clipper Nation]

Look at some of these set plays from Triangle and Horns:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/28/ba/81/28ba819e1961fe8845747fe50b2dd5e7.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQHorj4e3q09qTJoxfryR0pDs31vYkwx IVrquZliHl_ireJ_AqG

http://www.jes-basketball.com/playbook/fig/Triangle-corneroption_4.png

http://www.msgnetworks.com/content/dam/msg/teams/knicks/knicks-triangle-offense-1920.jpg/jcr:content/renditions/cq5dam.thumbnail.960.540.margin.png

http://www.msgnetworks.com/content/dam/msg/teams/knicks/traingle-offense-diagram.jpg

http://www.coachmartygross.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/SIU-Horns-Action_20111.jpg

http://hoopstudent.com/images/screen-the-screener/horns-post-feed-1.jpg

I can go on. Very, very rarely does a set play (in any set or scheme) have a PG and SF directly interacting. Parker isn't "ignoring" Kawhi out of jealously, wanting to the hero, or any other silly fuckin' conspiracy Kiwi fanboys have cooked up. It's by design, because that's the way the design has always been throughout basketball history.

And the reason Kawhi seems to play better alongside Mills, is because Mills can space the floor more than Parker. But Mills is limited in too many other areas for that 135-95 ORTG/DRTG to be sustainable long term. Over a significant sample size, Mills would make the starting unit worse than Parker has made it. Mills has a perfect role off the bench as a quick offense player. Wanting to change the Parker/Mills rotation would be asinine. That said, I do support Mills closing the game in certain instances, but not wholesale replacing Parker's role, like some dipshits want.

:lol Thinking Porker runs anything other than the "dribble, dribble, dribble, chuck, brick" play

[lefty]

:lol Thinking Porker runs anything other than the "dribble, dribble, dribble, chuck, brick" play

[YGWHI]

Very, very rarely does a set play (in any set or scheme) have a PG and SF directly interacting. Parker isn't "ignoring" Kawhi out of jealously, wanting to the hero, or any other silly fuckin' conspiracy Kiwi fanboys have cooked up. It's by design, because that's the way the design has always been throughout basketball history.

:lmao

We don't need to look "historic" Off/teams...Just look how OKC play the 1-3 P&R and how they made it one of their main offensive weapons.

"Rarely"...

[YGWHI]

Parker was always a shoot-first point guard. What did you think, he was gonna suddenly transform into John Stockton when he turned 30? :lol Nope, he's still the same guy...just slower, and worse at scoring.

He should make some adjustments in his game because of his age.

His speed and explosiveness are gone, but Parker seems one of those guys who haven't succeeded at adapting...

And Pop doesn't contribute to his adaptation calling plays for Parker like he's in his prime...that's an issue.

[dabom]

Mills on, LMA on, Parker off: Kawhi's USG = 29.4%

Regardless, I agree that there's more to it than just "Parker freezes Kawhi out while Mills is always actively looking for him!". There are several factors at play. But I still maintain that Mills is a better fit next to Kawhi/Aldridge than Parker. I don't want to see him start or anything (I agree that lack of a penetrator would be problematic), but I do hope Pop uses him more down the stretch in the playoffs, especially if Parker is having an off night. Mills/Manu/Kawhi/Aldridge (5th guy could be Green or Diaw or Duncan, just depends on the other team's lineup) is a pretty deadly unit for example.

edit: just read the post you made right after mine...sounds like we're on the same page. I don't think Mills should completely replace Parker's role or take all of his minutes either. Just want to see Pop use him more with some of the starters down the stretch of games

:wow midnightpulp

[midnightpulp]

:lmao

We don't need to look "historic" Off/teams...Just look how OKC play the 1-3 P&R and how they made it one of their main offensive weapons.

"Rarely"...

Yes, dipshit. It's still rarely used.

OKC is the only team in existence to use it (and they don't use it as much as you think they do). The only other team that used a guard/SF pnr was Miami, but it was used with Wade, not Chalmers.

Those teams also didn't have any low post bigs, meaning they had the space to utilize it more effectively than the Spurs would be able to since Duncan/LMA/Boris/Boban or whoever would clog the lane. Furthermore, it works well for OKC because Westbrook is about the best penetrator in the NBA.

Why don't you read a bit about how and why OKC can employ it before retardedly suggesting the Spurs use it because you want to get hard watching Kawhi score.


Between Westbrook's ability to get to the rim and Durant's elite shooting ability at 6'9", there's not much room for error if the defense wants to get a stop.

With the Durant-Westbrook pick-and-roll, the Thunder love to set it up with Durant coming off of a pindown screen or a double screen from the paint to come up and set his own screen for Westbrook. This makes it even more difficult for the defense to keep up, already being behind Durant. The actual pick-and-roll typically happens with Durant and Westbrook isolated on one side of the wing, with the other three players on the court pushed to the weak side. This allows for as much spacing as possible, and it often means that strong trapping against Westbrook leaves Durant free to pop to a completely isolated part of the court on the strong side.

Parker is no longer the penetrator he was. He's still good, but not Westbrook level.

Pushing LMA to the weakside (our 2nd best scorer) would disengage him from the offense. Not a wise move. Pushing Duncan there would also hurt our offensive rebounding. If you desperately want this set for the Spurs, then phone Pop and tell him to play Boris at C and Bonner at PF. Yeah, see how that works out defensively.

Trapping. Westbrook can better deal with traps because he's 6'4" with a long wingspan, so he can easily pass over any potential trap (why do you think Miami ran it with Wade and not the much shorter Chalmers). Parker already has trouble making simple entry passes when a longer defender is in front of him, so putting him in a set that would lead to him being continuously trapped would be stupid.

No, the Spurs doing this would be disastrous.

I get you just want "bawl gibbed to Kiwi :cry" but a 1-3 pick-n-roll isn't the way to do it.

[YGWHI]

Porky took more shots than Kawhi but it was b/c the Worriers were daring him to shoot while Pop had Kawhi camped in the corner by design for LMA's postups

So if LMA plays 40 mpg against the Warriors in the playoffs Kawhi will park in the corner 40 mpg...

It's pretty obvious that LMA needs the ball, he has to score at least 22-24 ppg to beat the Warriors in 7 games, but if Parker is the 2nd option, the Spurs are fucked.

LMA can have some bad shooting night and the team will need a 2nd scorer to step up and shine, Kawhi has proved to be a prolific and efficient scorer the few times he has the balls in his hands.,

It's weird that Pop expects LMA-one-man-offense beats the Warriors instead of being more reliant on their two main scorers and calls plays for both in order to go far in the series.

[midnightpulp]

:wow midnightpulp

It's cute you think he got me (he essentially agreed with me, anyhow), and while I'm not calling him out for being disingenuous or anything, the fun fact he left out is that Mills' usage is only 1.5% lower than Parker's in the same Green, Kawhi, LMA, Duncan lineup. Sub Manu in for Green, and Mills usage explodes to 32.5% vs. Kawhi's 27.5% :wow.

So Kawhi's (marginally) lower usage alongside Tony vs. Mills has to do with something else in the offense and not "Parker don't gib bawl to Kiwi :cry"

[YGWHI]

Yes, dipshit. It's still rarely used.

OKC is the only team in existence to use it (and they don't use it as much as you think they do). The only other team that used a guard/SF pnr was Miami, but it was used with Wade, not Chalmers.

Those teams also didn't have any low post bigs, meaning they had the space to utilize it more effectively than the Spurs would be able to since Duncan/LMA/Boris/Boban or whoever would clog the lane. Furthermore, it works well for OKC because Westbrook is about the best penetrator in the NBA.

Not sure but Kanter, Adams, Anderson, all seem low post bigs, but I wouldn't be surprised if you think they're stretch bigs...

[YGWHI]

Pushing LMA to the weakside (our 2nd best scorer) would disengage him from the offense. Not a wise move.

No one wants to see some-passive-LMA on that end, at least not me. But you should worry about the other Spurs main scorer who is not involved on offense.


I get you just want "bawl gibbed to Kiwi :cry"
It's so crazy that you still think the Spurs will beat the Warriors with Kawhi being the #3 option...

[midnightpulp]

It's cute you think he got me (he essentially agreed with me, anyhow), and while I'm not calling him out for being disingenuous or anything, the fun fact he left out is that Mills' usage is only 1.5% lower than Parker's in the same Green, Kawhi, LMA, Duncan lineup. Sub Manu in for Green, and Mills usage explodes to 32.5% vs. Kawhi's 27.5% :wow.

So Kawhi's (marginally) lower usage alongside Tony vs. Mills has to do with something else in the offense and not "Parker don't gib bawl to Kiwi :cry"

Might have found a culprit.

Danny Green's usage climbs 4 points when Patty enters for Parker. So why aren't you idiots calling out (Krew Favorite) Danny for freezing out Kawhi?

Here's another. When Manu enters for Green (while Parker remains on the floor), Manu eats 5 more usage than Green alongside Parker. In fact, Parker's usage is about the same when Manu comes in. But that usage has to go somewhere, and Leonard's usage drops by 2 points when Manu comes in.

Why aren't we calling out Manu for "freezing out" Kawhi?

Funny enough, Parker's usage remains at about 20 through a variety of lineups, consistent with Mills 20ish usage in a variety of lineups (and again, Mills usage skyrockets alongside Manu).

And I've touched on this before in a discussion with dumbshit YGHWI. Manu and Mills often get involved with themselves in a two man perimeter game (Mills dribbles it up, hands off to Manu to run the offense. Mills runs to a 3 point spot up spot. Manu does his iso penetration thing and often passes to Mills who will usually have a look).

Kawhi still has a 27.8 usage in that lineup, but why aren't the usual suspect fanboys ranting and raving about Mills Kobe-level 32.4 usage in that lineup?

[midnightpulp]

Not sure but Kanter, Adams, Anderson, all seem low post bigs, but I wouldn't be surprised if you think they're stretch bigs...

Kanter plays with the 2nd unit (he's only played 76 minutes with the starters). Who's Anderson? Adams is a Baynes type player, so pushing him to the weak side doesn't matter since he's typically irrelevant in most offensive sets.

And let's not forget Parker isn't the penetrator he once was. Didn't you just state he needs to "adjust" his game? Yeah, putting him in more pick-n-roll sets is going to do that. In a p-n-r set like the Thunder run, both players need to be about equally dangerous offensive threats (if that set has a 70-30, 80-20 unbalance per shot attempts, it's worthless. Too easy to gameplan for. A set like that needs to force the other team into a "pick you poison" dilemma). So guess what, moron? A 1-3 p-n-r set with Tony and Kawhi will mean MORE shots for Tony (coming at the expense of LMA, which is fine with you, as long as Kawhi gets more shots).

But yes, it will also mean more shots for Kawhi, which is all that you really care about :lol

[midnightpulp]

No one wants to see some-passive-LMA on that end, at least not me. But you should worry about the other Spurs main scorer who is not involved on offense.


It's so crazy that you still think the Spurs will beat the Warriors with Kawhi being the #3 option...

Except I never advocated Kawhi being the 3rd option. Quit using strawman arguments.

I just think you're overly focused on Parker to a paranoid degree. Feel free to examine a variety of lineups on http://nbawowy.com/. You'll find that your 2nd favorite player (Patty Mills) has a similar usage to Parker in a variety of lineups, meaning that when Mills subs in for Parker, Kawhi's increased usage isn't a result of Mills essentially giving up Parker's usage to Kawhi.

And as far as the this "option" shit. Guess who are the 2nd and 3rd options in a Mills, Manu, Kawhi, LMA, Duncan lineup? Kawhi and LMA :lol Mills has Kobe like usage in that lineup.

[YGWHI]

Kanter plays with the 2nd unit (he's only played 76 minutes with the starters). Who's Anderson? Adams is a Baynes type player, so pushing him to the weak side doesn't matter since he's typically irrelevant in most offensive sets.

Miami.Andersen.

Still in those Parker-Kawhi combined minutes w/o Tim, we don't see interaction between the two, so the spacing isn't the problem.


And let's not forget Parker isn't the penetrator he once was. Didn't you just state he needs to "adjust" his game? Yeah, putting him in more pick-n-roll sets is going to do that. In a p-n-r set like the Thunder run, both players need to be about equally dangerous offensive threats (if that set has a 70-30, 80-20 unbalance per shot attempts, it's worthless. Too easy to gameplan for. A set like that needs to force the other team into a "pick you poison" dilemma). So guess what, moron? A 1-3 p-n-r set with Tony and Kawhi will mean MORE shots for Tony

So funny. We watched how Parker-Tim P&Rs attempts have failed but you aren't crying about it.


(coming at the expense of LMA, which is fine with you, as long as Kawhi gets more shots).
Yeah...Keep saying it when I said exactly the opposite.


it will also mean more shots for Kawhi, which is all that you really care about :lol
In playoffs I only care about wins and the Spurs need Kawhi to stay aggressive/scoring to win. Sadly, it seems like you don't care about it.

[YGWHI]

Except I never advocated Kawhi being the 3rd option.
Neither worrying about him taking less shots. Basically it's the same thing.



I just think you're overly focused on Parker to a paranoid degree.
Parker took more shots than Kawhi against the Warriors per minute on the court in this season. You think that's not a problem, I just think that's essentially a suicidal strategy.

[DMC]

Kawhi had fewer, not less. At least get the title right.

[SupremeGuy]

That's what you get when you have a hero balling point guard with the court vision of a horse with blinders on and the bball iq of Javele McGee. It's a hard concept to understand to give the ball to your best player, I know.:lol

[midnightpulp]

Miami.Andersen.

Still in those Parker-Kawhi combined minutes w/o Tim, we don't see interaction between the two, so the spacing isn't the problem.


So funny. We watched how Parker-Tim P&Rs attempts have failed but you aren't crying about it.


Yeah...Keep saying it when I said exactly the opposite.


In playoffs I only care about wins and the Spurs need Kawhi to stay aggressive/scoring to win. Sadly, it seems like you don't care about it.

Holy shit you're fuckin' stupid or just dense as fuck.

Of course Parker is going to run the pick-and-roll with Tim (or LMA or Boris) because BIG MEN ARE WHO BACKCOURT PLAYERS RUN P-N-Rs WITH. And no, I'm not mad. I typed in caps in the hopes the concept will penetrate your thick skull.

And no, I don't like Parker/Tim p-n-rs anymore, since both players can't run it effectively anymore (Duncan is inconsistent on jumpers, so he isn't a threat from to pop, and as I said, Parker doesn't penetrate like he used to).

So if Parker can't really run the p-n-r like he used to (with any player), why the fuck do you want him running it with Kawhi? Oh, I know, because it'll get your hero more shot attempts.

And you didn't say any fuckin' "opposite." a 1-3 pick-and-roll will marginalize LMA. So who gets those additional touches? You'll probably say, "Well, I want the majority of the shot attempts going to Kawhi in that set. Parker will just initiate it, so he won't get anymore touches than usual." That's not how a pick-and-roll works. Both players need to be equal threats to score. Just admit your idea was retarded now that I pointed out it will result in Parker actually taking more shots at the expense of the team.

No, it's pretty clear you want a Kobe like usage for Kawhi, no matter the scenario. I'm about matchups. If Kawhi has a favorable matchup, exploit it. But you're a moron if you don't think GS will adjust if he starts killing them. So when they load up on him, other players need to step up and relieve that pressure. If LMA is having problems, then that leaves Tony (Curry has had problems with quick PGs all year) to try and carry some load so the game opens back up for the big guns.

And Kawhi's usage is fine relative to Parker's against Golden State. You didn't add up FT attempts in your little calculation.

[YGWHI]

Holy shit you're fuckin' stupid or just dense as fuck.

Of course Parker is going to run the pick-and-roll with Tim (or LMA or Boris) because BIG MEN ARE WHO BACKCOURT PLAYERS RUN P-N-Rs WITH. And no, I'm not mad. I typed in caps in the hopes the concept will penetrate your thick skull.

And no, I don't like Parker/Tim p-n-rs anymore, since both players can't run it effectively anymore (Duncan is inconsistent on jumpers, so he isn't a threat from to pop, and as I said, Parker doesn't penetrate like he used to).

And this is the first time you say that Parker can't run picks...At least it's a start.

Look at your evolution, girl. From "Parker will drop 25 points against the Warriors" to "He can't run it anymore". Proud of you.


So if Parker can't really run the p-n-r like he used to (with any player), why the fuck do you want him running it with Kawhi? Oh, I know, because it'll get your hero more shot attempts.
And you didn't say any fuckin' "opposite." a 1-3 pick-and-roll will marginalize LMA. So who gets those additional touches? You'll probably say, "Well, I want the majority of the shot attempts going to Kawhi in that set. Parker will just initiate it, so he won't get anymore touches than usual."

That's how it works. The team still plays inefficent Parker-Tim P&Rs so there's an opportunity for Kawhi's.
Pop played Kawhi-Kyle-LMA frontcourt in some minutes of the 2nd half against Warriors, that would be the perfect lineup for Parker-Kawhi two-man game.
I'd love to see some Kawhi-LMA P&R too but with Parker on the court... it won't happen.


No, it's pretty clear you want a Kobe like usage for Kawhi, no matter the scenario. I'm about matchups. If Kawhi has a favorable matchup, exploit it. But you're a moron if you don't think GS will adjust if he starts killing them.

First, give him an opportunity to do it...It's stupid not to calls plays for him just because the Warriors will adjust.


So when they load up on him, other players need to step up and relieve that pressure. If LMA is having problems, then that leaves Tony (Curry has had problems with quick PGs all year) to try and carry some load so the game opens back up for the big guns.

But the case is that Parker takes more shots than the big gun in every game against them.

If you care about matchups, you should worried about Kawhi having a favorable matchup against Thompson and still Parker taking the shot.


And Kawhi's usage is fine relative to Parker's against Golden State. You didn't add up FT attempts in your little calculation

"Fine relative" like being the 3rd option behind Parker?

[midnightpulp]

And this is the first time you say that Parker can't run picks...At least it's a start.

Look at your evolution, girl. From "Parker will drop 25 points against the Warriors" to "He can't run it anymore". Proud of you.


He runs it reasonably well with LMA, so I should've clarified that Tony and Duncan can't run it effectively together anymore. But as a whole, I don't like the p-n-r as an main option for this team, which is why, again, you clamoring for it to be ran with Kawhi and Parker is retarded. So you tell me, "At least you admit he can't run picks anymore!" and then in the same breath WANTING a player than can't run pick-and-rolls anymore to run it with your favorite player? So if Parker can't run pick-and-rolls, why the fuck do you want him running it with Kawhi? Pick a lane, dipshit.

And there you go again putting words in my mouth. I never said Parker WILL drop 25 on the Warriors, only that he needs to have a couple of games like that if we have a hope in Hell of winning that series.


That's how it works. The team still plays inefficent Parker-Tim P&Rs so there's an opportunity for Kawhi's.

Nope. A 1-3 pnr won't work on this team. Get that stupid idea out of your head.


Pop played Kawhi-Kyle-LMA frontcourt in some minutes of the 2nd half against Warriors, that would be the perfect lineup for Parker-Kawhi two-man game.

Nope. See above.


I'd love to see some Kawhi-LMA P&R too but with Parker on the court... it won't happen.

If you want this to happen, tell Pop to play Kawhi at SG or to improve his passing and ball handling to Lebron levels.




First, give him an opportunity to do it...It's stupid not to calls plays for him just because the Warriors will adjust.

And it's stupid to not get other players involved.



But the case is that Parker takes more shots than the big gun in every game against them.

No he hasn't.

[SAGirl]

That's why you want Kyle Anderson in the courts subbing of Tony Parker. At least KA knows he isn't the first option.
This is an honest take. Kyle does look for Kawhi every time they play together, early in the shot clock and he gets the ball to LMA in good spots he can score easily from. Just have to watch the recent Memphis game when he ended up with 7 assists most of the to LMA.

[YGWHI]

So you tell me, "At least you admit he can't run picks anymore!" and then in the same breath WANTING a player than can't run pick-and-rolls anymore to run it with your favorite player? So if Parker can't run pick-and-rolls, why the fuck do you want him running it with Kawhi? Pick a lane, dipshit.
Because he still runs and will do it...Better find a good option for those P&Rs


And there you go again putting words in my mouth. I never said Parker WILL drop 25 on the Warriors, only that he needs to have a couple of games like that if we have a hope in Hell of winning that series.

Parker with a couple of 25-points-game against Warriors...Poor mid. Is this serious?


If you want this to happen, tell Pop to play Kawhi at SG or to improve his passing and ball handling to Lebron levels.

Kawhi's passing and ball handling have improved enough to run it, he doesn't need to reach LeBron level to just play a simple P&R.


And it's stupid to not get other players involved.
Of course, you think Parker will beat them. Keep feeding him over Kawhi...


No he hasn't.
Yes, but you don't want to admit it.

[SAGirl]

As I've been saying for years, it's very difficult to build an offense around a SF if he isn't a point-forward like Lebron or Larry Bird, tbh..even a historically great offensive player like Durant is constantly "frozen out" due to scheme/PG, it's not an easy position to successfully carry an offense..

In the case of the Spurs, with the way the roster is constructed, Parker is always going to get his "mandatory touches"..partly due to his status in the all-time landscape of the Spurs, but also because he becomes useless if the ball isn't in his hands..if he's on the court, he essentially needs the ball in his hands as much as possible or it's pointless to have him out there, and of course Pop isn't going to bench him..
Have to agree with you on roles Harlem. I wasn't in with your schtick against LMA and Danny who slumps no matter who he plays with this season, but this take right here you are right.

[midnightpulp]

Because he still runs and will do it...Better find a good option for those P&Rs


Parker with a couple of 25-points-game against Warriors...Poor mid. Is this serious?

It doesn't need to be 25 exactly, but 18 plus points at the very least.



Kawhi's passing and ball handling have improved enough to run it, he doesn't need to reach LeBron level to just play a simple P&R.


SFs don't really run PnRs. Get it out of your thick head. I know you want Kawhi running the offense like Lebron or being force-fed like Kobe. Isn't going to happen. So save that fantasy for something else.


Of course, you think Parker will beat them. Keep feeding him over Kawhi...

Never said that. But you're not beating the Warriors with a top heavy Kawhi/LMA attack. Someone else is going to have to be a threat to score 20ish points now and again.



Yes, but you don't want to admit it.

Game 1 vs. Warriors:

Kawhi: 25 mins. 6FGA, 7FTAs

Parker: 18 mins. 6FGA, 0 FTAs.

Game 2:

Kawhi: 39 min. 14FGA, 8FTA

Parker: 29 min. 8 FGA, 0FTA

Game 3:

Kawhi: 35 min. 12FGA, 8FTA

Parker: 27 min. 10FGA, 4FTA

Totals:

Kawhi .434FGA per minute.

Parker: 432FGA per minute.

That said, I want Kawhi getting more shot attempts, and he will in a potential series if he's not overly ball denied, swarmed, etc. You see how Wiggins demolished the Warriors? Pop knows the Warriors might be weak in defending SFs, so I don't think he's really showed his cards yet regarding Kawhi.

[YGWHI]

It doesn't need to be 25 exactly, but 18 plus points at the very least.
Well, you said 25.



Totals:

Kawhi .434FGA per minute.

Parker: 432FGA per minute.

Of course...2FGA. :lol Parker is taking almost the same shots with a "fine" USG% but not he wasn't the #2 option, right?.


That said, I want Kawhi getting more shot attempts, and he will in a potential series if he's not overly ball denied, swarmed, etc. You see how Wiggins demolished the Warriors? Pop knows the Warriors might be weak in defending SFs, so I don't think he's really showed his cards yet regarding Kawhi.
This is so funny.

You made a thread just to say that "Parker's not jealous/not willing to pass the ball...it's about he can play on offense only with LMA, runs P&Rs with him, getting him only involved, that Kawhi USG% only increased when Parker/LMA aren't on the court"...And now you think that Kawhi will have a chance to more gets shots...with Parker on the court? :lol

[midnightpulp]

Well, you said 25.




Of course...2FGA. :lol Parker is taking almost the same shots with a "fine" USG% but not he wasn't the #2 option, right?.


This is so funny.

You made a thread just to say that "Parker's not jealous/not willing to pass the ball...it's about he can play on offense only with LMA, runs P&Rs with him, getting him only involved, that Kawhi USG% only increased when Parker/LMA aren't on the court"...And now you think that Kawhi will have a chance to more gets shots...with Parker on the court? :lol

I don't know how you extrapolate that Parker playing well alongside LMA translates into him being only to play with LMA and only getting him involved. Is it really that shocking of fuckin' revelation to you that a PG who has played his whole career with post up bigs is going to increase the amount of shot attempts a big gets compared to a player like Mills, who is basically a SG playing point guard?

Furthermore, Parker's assist percentage is 5% higher than Mills's in the same lineup, so there goes that silly theory that Parker doesn't other players aside from LMA involved.

[YGWHI]

I don't know how you extrapolate that Parker playing well alongside LMA translates into him being only to play with LMA and only getting him involved.

"PGs don't play PRs with SFs" "Parker only can run P&Rs with LMA" "Kawhi's lower USG% cause Parker getting involved LMA" "432-434 shots"

I don't know how you think that Kawhi'll get more shots in a playoffs series with Parker on the court...

[midnightpulp]

"PGs don't play PRs with SFs" "Parker only can run P&Rs with LMA" "Kawhi's lower USG% cause Parker getting involved LMA" "432-434 shots"

I don't know how you think that Kawhi'll get more shots in a playoffs series with Parker on the court...

I expect Duncan and Green to be marginalized more. And if Boris starts in place of Duncan, with him being a playmaker, should translate into more shots for your mancrush.

And again (do I have to repeat myself til I'm blue in the fuckin' face), Parker and LMA playing well together doesn't mean Kawhi is all of sudden an incompatible piece. So the fact that LMA's usage drops significantly when Mills enters now means Mills and LMA aren't compatible? Of course not. Now please reevaluate how stupid that idea of yours was and slap yourself in the fuckin' face to teach yourself a lesson.

[YGWHI]

I expect Duncan and Green to be marginalized more.

More...They're just taking what? 5 shots per game against them. And Parker will try to play P&Rs with Tim...


And if Boris starts in place of Duncan, with him being a playmaker, should translate into more shots for your mancrush.

In fact, Bobo should/will shoot more than Kawhi in those minutes cause Boris has a favorable matchup in the post against Warriors.

No. Kawhi won't get more shots against Warriors with Parker on the court.


Parker and LMA playing well together doesn't mean Kawhi is all of sudden an incompatible piece. So the fact that LMA's usage drops significantly when Mills enters now means Mills and LMA aren't compatible? Of course not.
Why not? They don't seem compatible, Manu fits better with LMA as offensive duo.

[midnightpulp]

More...They're just taking what? 5 shots per game against them. And Parker will try to play P&Rs with Tim...


In fact, Bobo should/will shoot more than Kawhi in those minutes cause Boris has a favorable matchup in the post against Warriors.

No. Kawhi won't get more shots against Warriors with Parker on the court.


Why not? They don't seem compatible, Manu fits better with LMA as offensive duo.

Danny averages about 7 shots per game against them this season. And that was with playing limited minutes in the first game because it was blowout. Duncan, yes, is already marginalized enough. Boris won't get those easy looks in the playoffs. They might swarm him, in which case he'll hopefully kick it out to Kawhi at the 3 point line. I'm sure Pop is working on some Boris-Kawhi plays.

LMA has good efficiency alongside Patty, so they are compatible. His usage just drops a bit, which isn't a big deal.

[YGWHI]

I'm sure Pop is working on some Boris-Kawhi plays
Of course he will, something like Boris throwing a lob to Kawhi to close the series against JordanBogut/BlakeDGreen...Pop's innovative ways.

[DenialTwist]

"PGs don't play PRs with SFs" "Parker only can run P&Rs with LMA" "Kawhi's lower USG% cause Parker getting involved LMA" "432-434 shots"

I don't know how you think that Kawhi'll get more shots in a playoffs series with Parker on the court...

This is why Parker will be the Spurs downfall when the playoffs start. It will be the same story as last season. He is ineffective as a starting point guard. He has no impact on the game when they face elite opponents like OKC and the Warriors. If he doesn't come off the bench next season and the Spurs don't find a younger more athletic starting pg that can shoot and defend better they are going to have a hard time trying to go deep into the playoffs.

[will_spurs]

:cry but he is a better offensive player than Curry or Lebron :cry