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HarlemHeat37
04-08-2016, 04:18 PM
For those interested, Jeremias Engelmann(creator of Real Plus-Minus on ESPN) released his RAPM numbers for this season(non-prior informed, though, so it's strictly for this season, which tends to be more flawed)..

Relevant to the Spurs:

Best 5-Man Units
1. Curry/Thompson/Barnes/Iguodala/Green: +18.8
2. Westbrook/Roberson/Durant/Ibaka/Adams: +13.1
3. Dellevadova/Smith/Lebron/Love/Thompson: +12.5
4. Curry/Thompson/Iguodala/Green/Bogut: +11.5
9. Parker/Green/Leonard/Aldridge/Duncan: +8.9

Best Defensive 5-Man Unt
1. Parker/Green/Leonard/Aldridge/Duncan: +8.5

PG
1. Steph Curry +6.4
2. Kyle Lowry +4.6
3. Chris Paul +4.5
6. Mills +3.4
16. Parker +1.4

SG
1. Klay Thompson +4.7
2. JJ Redick +3.5
3. Green +3.1
4. Ginobili +3

SF
1. Kawhi +6.4
16. Anderson +1.3

PF
1. Draymond Green +8
6. West +2.6
7. Aldridge +2.5

C
1. Duncan +3.8

apalisoc_9
04-08-2016, 04:21 PM
1.4? Thats disgusting.

HarlemHeat37
04-08-2016, 04:21 PM
Spurs starting lineup has the best defensive number in the league, but they have the 2nd worst offensive starting unit among all playoff teams:lol

Clipper Nation
04-08-2016, 04:24 PM
Patty > Porker confirmed.

:lmao Porker getting outplayed by his backup, per par

apalisoc_9
04-08-2016, 04:28 PM
Spurs starting lineup has the best defensive number in the league, but they have the 2nd worst offensive starting unit among all playoff teams:lol

The Porker effect.

Probably a very small sample size but whats the numbers when Patty is with the starters offensively and defensively

HarlemHeat37
04-08-2016, 04:30 PM
Warriors' Death Unit = :(

apalisoc_9
04-08-2016, 04:30 PM
Patty > Porker confirmed.

:lmao Porker getting outplayed by his backup, per par

Patty Mills, SpeedyClaxton, Steve Kerr, third stringer Cojo etc.

DMC
04-08-2016, 04:31 PM
Spurs starting lineup has the best defensive number in the league, but they have the 2nd worst offensive starting unit among all playoff teams:lol
Can be attributed in large part to Tim not being an offensive threat and Danny being in a season long slump.

TD 21
04-08-2016, 04:41 PM
Spurs starting lineup has the best defensive number in the league, but they have the 2nd worst offensive starting unit among all playoff teams:lol

I'm not surprised, but if someone had told you this would happen before the season (and that they'd be 65-13, with an 11.2 point differential anyway), would you have believed them?

I get why they've struggled, but despite it all, I still don't understand why they have to this extent. It's inexplicable.

Kawhitstorm
04-08-2016, 04:46 PM
Warriors' Death Unit = :(

xYRXVNdG-iU

Kawhitstorm
04-08-2016, 04:49 PM
3. Dellevadova/Smith/Lebron/Love/Thompson: +12.5

PG
6. Mills +3.4
16. Parker +1.4


Aussie scrubs >>> Kyrie/Porker:lmao

SpursFan86
04-08-2016, 05:28 PM
The Porker effect.

Probably a very small sample size but whats the numbers when Patty is with the starters offensively and defensively

Mills/Green/Kawhi/Aldridge/Duncan: ORTG = 139.8, DRTG = 95.2 in 44 minutes played

SpursFan86
04-08-2016, 05:30 PM
xYRXVNdG-iU

Iguodala wasn't playing that game though.

apalisoc_9
04-08-2016, 05:30 PM
Mills/Green/Kawhi/Aldridge/Duncan: ORTG = 139.8, DRTG = 95.2 in 44 minutes played

Holy Mother of God. That's even better than the death lineup.

tholdren
04-08-2016, 05:31 PM
could care less about these stats - highest scoring teams have the highest unit in most cases.... nothing new or "advanced"

Kawhitstorm
04-08-2016, 05:42 PM
Iguodala wasn't playing that game though.

Iggy CAN'T check Boris in the post & Rush played well at AT&T. It was Barnes that got destroyed by Boris & wet the bed on the other end.:lol

Man In Black
04-08-2016, 05:50 PM
Iggy CAN'T check Boris in the post & Rush played well at AT&T. It was Barnes that got destroyed by Boris & wet the bed on the other end.:lol

Iggy can't defend Boris is correct.

313
04-08-2016, 06:00 PM
Spurs starting lineup has the best defensive number in the league, but they have the 2nd worst offensive starting unit among all playoff teams:lol
Not surprising. The offense has been underwhelming all year. Our two primary scorers aren't better than Curry/Klay, Bron/Love, WB/KD. And the supporting three players of Tony Danny and 40 year old Tim makes matters even worse. This team will have to be locked in 100% defensively on this playoff run and/or get ridiculously hot from three. I don't see GS losing at this point though.

313
04-08-2016, 06:00 PM
Mills/Green/Kawhi/Aldridge/Duncan: ORTG = 139.8, DRTG = 95.2 in 44 minutes played
44 minutes lol

midnightpulp
04-08-2016, 06:01 PM
I'm not surprised, but if someone had told you this would happen before the season (and that they'd be 65-13, with an 11.2 point differential anyway), would you have believed them?

I get why they've struggled, but despite it all, I still don't understand why they have to this extent. It's inexplicable.

- Danny Green streakiness
- Tim Duncan not really being an offensive threat anymore
- Lack of penetration outside of Tony, who also isn't the threat he once was

TD 21
04-08-2016, 06:04 PM
- Danny Green streakiness
- Tim Duncan not really being an offensive threat anymore
- Lack of penetration outside of Tony, who also isn't the threat he once was

Like I said, I get why they've struggled, but to this extent, it doesn't make sense and anyone pretending they saw this coming is lying.

Duncan and Parker further declining, nothing can be done about, but if Green is shooting even high 30's from 3, this is all probably moot anyway.

midnightpulp
04-08-2016, 06:10 PM
Like I said, I get why they've struggled, but to this extent, it doesn't make sense and anyone pretending they saw this coming is lying.

Duncan and Parker further declining, nothing can be done about, but if Green is shooting even high 30's from 3, this is all probably moot anyway.

Another factor is that the energy expenditure on defense is having an effect on the offense. It's why the 00s Spurs often struggled offensively, and would routinely blow big leads and not be a huge a threat to comeback from double digit deficits against a good teams, just like this squad.

ElNono
04-08-2016, 07:22 PM
Thanks for the numbers, OP...

Guess we gotta stop calling Lowry a fat PG and a fluke, tbh... he's been putting in work for a while now... sucks he still has like 2 more years on his deal.

dabom
04-08-2016, 09:43 PM
Mills/Green/Kawhi/Aldridge/Duncan: ORTG = 139.8, DRTG = 95.2 in 44 minutes played

:wow

TD 21
04-09-2016, 05:22 PM
Another factor is that the energy expenditure on defense is having an effect on the offense. It's why the 00s Spurs often struggled offensively, and would routinely blow big leads and not be a huge a threat to comeback from double digit deficits against a good teams, just like this squad.

With the way this team is babied, I seriously doubt that.

Kawhitstorm
04-09-2016, 05:45 PM
Mills/Green/Kawhi/Aldridge/Duncan: ORTG = 139.8, DRTG = 95.2 in 44 minutes played

44 minutes, that isn't even a full game.:sleep

Cry Havoc
04-09-2016, 05:54 PM
Guess we should trade away LMA, since West is rated higher.

- Fake Spurfan logic in this thread

dabom
04-09-2016, 05:56 PM
Hot takes by reddit users. Hmmmm...

Cry Havoc
04-09-2016, 06:12 PM
dabom admitting he only visits one website that's sports-related, which provides obvious rationale for why he knows nothing about basketball.

dabom
04-09-2016, 06:14 PM
Tells us more how Kawhi is turning into a Bowen type player before our eyes...

YGWHI
04-10-2016, 04:10 PM
I liked Engelmann's article about Co-MVPs, too. He's the only ESPN guy who is giving the Spurs some love

SAGirl
04-12-2016, 05:42 PM
Anderson 1.3+ not bad considering he was very passive and out of the rotation pre ASB

tholdren
04-12-2016, 07:57 PM
kyle anderson sucks