Messi = DUD. 0 goals and 0 assists in his last 5 games

[lefty]

:lmao

[Canyonero]

He's obviously saving his goals for September/October when people vote for the Ballon D'Or

I believe it's called the Penaldo tactic.

[Relevancy]

Messi has been completely crap ever since that international break, at this pace he will most likely lose the balon de oro tbh

[Canyonero]

Messi has been completely crap ever since that international break, at this pace he will most likely lose the balon de oro tbh

If he wins Liga scoring almost 30 goals, Copa del Rey and Copa America being the alpha then I believe he's heading to his sixth balon tbh.

[TheGreatYacht]

:lmao

Just can't raise his level when it matters, Tbh only Alpha males can do that

[TheGreatYacht]

If he wins Liga scoring almost 30 goals, Copa del Rey and Copa America being the alpha then I believe he's heading to his sixth balon tbh.
Lol Mexico winning Copa america

[Amuseddaysleeper]

He's looked like how Ronaldo looks most of the time against top 5 teams.

[lefty]

He's looked like how Ronaldo looks most of the time against top 5 teams.

So based on the latest Clasico and yor logic Barca is not a top 5 team


I agree

[Amuseddaysleeper]

So based on the latest Clasico and yor logic Barca is not a top 5 team


I agree

That clasico was the first time he did anything against an elite team in a very very long time. He was also hot garbage for the first 70 minutes of that match. He's a good player, but sadly for him he can't play Malmo every week.

[Canyonero]

Lol Mexico winning Copa america

This isn't the Copa Robo you guys play.

[lefty]

That clasico was the first time he did anything against an elite team in a very very long time. He was also hot garbage for the first 70 minutes of that match. He's a good player, but sadly for him he can't play Malmo every week.
That clasico was the 1st time he did anything








:lmao

[Relevancy]

If he wins Liga scoring almost 30 goals, Copa del Rey and Copa America being the alpha then I believe he's heading to his sixth balon tbh.true but he needs to start playing to his standards, and quick..

[TheGreatYacht]

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:cry it still hurts guyz :cry





:lmao

[lefty]

:lmao det source

[ElNono]

he just been playing like he doesnt care for a while, tbh... bad omen with the copa america coming up...

[Canyonero]

He just didn't want to play against River again tbqh

[DAF86]

720374138947428352

:cry it still hurts guyz :cry





:lmao

If true, they better sit his ass off. We need him for the Copa America.

And on that note, lot of trolling about Iniesta, Neymar and Suarez. But if Messi doesn't play well Barca sucks, tbh. It happens everytime.

[spursistan]

If true, they better sit his ass off. We need him for the Copa America.

And on that note, lot of trolling about Iniesta, Neymar and Suarez. But if Messi doesn't play well Barca sucks, tbh. It happens everytime.
son, you were right: Barca defending CL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Warriors defending NBA title in terms of diffuclty.. they looked like they had it in the bag month ago :lol

[DAF86]

son, you were right: Barca defending CL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Warriors defending NBA title in terms of diffuclty.. they looked like they had it in the bag month ago :lol

Happens a lot tbrh, imvho :hat:hat:hat:D

[spursistan]

Happens a lot tbrh, imvho :hat:hat:hat:D
group stage form is pretty much meaningless in CL, tbh..you have to be peaking in late March/early April to win it..Barca like Bayern/Real in the past two years blew its load in Nov-Feb..

[urunobili]

Panama papers depression TBH

[Brazil]

:lol DAF homerism continues to amaze me

[Canyonero]

He is one of the goats of this sport. Nothing wrong in being a homer

[DAF86]

:lol DAF homerism continues to amaze me

What would be the homerism here son? Enlighten me :lol

[lefty]

:lmao NOT A SINGLE SHOT VS AM YESTERDAY


:lmao Kobessi

[Canyonero]

:lmao NOT A SINGLE SHOT VS AM YESTERDAY


:lmao Kobessi

Actually it would be the opposite of Kobe.

[lefty]

Actually it would be the opposite of Kobe.

I was referring to Kobe's 2nd half in game 7 vs Suns

[TheGreatYacht]

Messi is the Kawhi Leonard of soccer.

Disappears when it matters

[lefty]

Messi is the Kawhi Leonard of soccer.

Disappears when it matters

Are we bringing upstairs shit over here? :lol

[TDMVPDPOY]

so this clown cant win shit without xavi holding his hand?

[dunkman]

MESSIento campeón!!!!!
Jokes aside, truly great player, but not the best IMHO.

[Canyonero]

Top 3 all time.

[lefty]

Top 3 all time.

http://49.media.tumblr.com/94ac62d6fc6c79cda264d499187448b3/tumblr_ns7rc5SpuK1rressco1_500.gif

[Canyonero]

http://49.media.tumblr.com/94ac62d6fc6c79cda264d499187448b3/tumblr_ns7rc5SpuK1rressco1_500.gif

Who's your third player alongside Pele and Diego?

[dunkman]

Who's your third player alongside Pele and Diego?

Has to be Zidane

[Jodelo]

Has to be Zidane

:toast

[Canyonero]

Has to be Zidane

:lol:lol:lol:lol good one

[dunkman]

Who has ever thought, much less said, that someone carried Zidane? The guy was the centerpiece of any of the teams he played for, and got 3 ballon d'or, 2 scudettos, 1 la liga, 1 CL, 1 Intercontinental, 1 Worlds Cup (the first for France) and 1 Euro Championship. That's complete as it gets and his technique was something outlandish.

I saw Diego in his prime, he has a similar resume, but he was better in a sense that he got his accolades when Argentina wasn't favourite ('86), and he got some scudettos with Napoli when they never won any before or after.

Messi outside of Barcelona, didn't do much. It's much harder to win a WC then a CL with tiki-taka Barcelona. I think Argentina didn't even managed to win a South American Championship with Messi.

[Canyonero]

Who has ever thought, much less said, that someone carried Zidane? The guy was the centerpiece of any of the teams he played for, and got 3 ballon d'or, 2 scudettos, 1 la liga, 1 CL, 1 Intercontinental, 1 Worlds Cup (the first for France) and 1 Euro Championship. That's complete as it gets and his technique was something outlandish.

I saw Diego in his prime, he has a similar resume, but he was better in a sense that he got his accolades when Argentina wasn't favourite ('86), and he got some scudettos with Napoli when they never won any before or after.

Messi outside of Barcelona, didn't do much. It's much harder to win a WC then a CL with tiki-taka Barcelona. I think Argentina didn't even managed to win a South American Championship with Messi.

So Zidane playing in a stacked team = being a centerpiece but Messi = "being carried"? Interesting...

Btw where did you get Zidane's 3 Ballon d'ors?

[DAF86]

Has to be Zidane

You don't trully know how retarded that is. It's almost like saying Kobe is a top 3 of all-time in the NBA.

[DAF86]

Who has ever thought, much less said, that someone carried Zidane? The guy was the centerpiece of any of the teams he played for, and got 3 ballon d'or, 2 scudettos, 1 la liga, 1 CL, 1 Intercontinental, 1 Worlds Cup (the first for France) and 1 Euro Championship. That's complete as it gets and his technique was something outlandish.

I saw Diego in his prime, he has a similar resume, but he was better in a sense that he got his accolades when Argentina wasn't favourite ('86), and he got some scudettos with Napoli when they never won any before or after.

Messi outside of Barcelona, didn't do much. It's much harder to win a WC then a CL with tiki-taka Barcelona. I think Argentina didn't even managed to win a South American Championship with Messi.

Zidane isn't even the best player of his time. Brazilian Robaldo is. Just stop, seriously. You don't know how ignorant you're being.

[lefty]

Brazilian Ronaldo shits on Messi tbh

[dunkman]

So Zidane playing in a stacked team = being a centerpiece but Messi = "being carried"? Interesting...

Btw where did you get Zidane's 3 Ballon d'ors?

Zidane was much more versatile, hence he enjoyed success with Juve, Madrid and his NT. Zidane won the FIFA world player awards, the previous name of the ballon d'or.

The tiki-taka core of the Spanish NT won everything from 2008-2012, they didn't miss Messi at all.

Messi has fantastic but specific skills, he's more a system player. That's why he didn't have the same impact with his NT, despite Argentina always having several top players, and usually being well coached too. How can a player as good as Pelé or Diego not succeed in that conditions?

[dunkman]

Zidane isn't even the best player of his time. Brazilian Robaldo is. Just stop, seriously. You don't know how ignorant you're being.

You can't be serious. Ronaldo got injured while in Inter, he was past his prime and overweight while in Madrid.

[lefty]

You can't be serious. Ronaldo got injured while in Inter, he was past his prime and overweight while in Madrid.

Still a WC winner

[ElNono]

:lmao Zidane is not in any top 5 list anywhere... he's likely not even top 10, tbh, guys Cruyff, Beckenbauer, Garrincha, Di Stefano are clearly ahead of him...

I might even put Rolando right about his level, tbh...

[Canyonero]

Zidane was much more versatile, hence he enjoyed success with Juve, Madrid and his NT. Zidane won the FIFA world player awards, the previous name of the ballon d'or.

The tiki-taka core of the Spanish NT won everything from 2008-2012, they didn't miss Messi at all.

Messi has fantastic but specific skills, he's more a system player. That's why he didn't have the same impact with his NT, despite Argentina always having several top players, and usually being well coached too. How can a player as good as Pelé or Diego not succeed in that conditions?

What are Messi's specific skills? He's the all-time leader in goals and assists in La Liga, he has played as a winger, as a centreforward, as an attacking midfielder. You're tagging Zidane as "more versatile" when he couldn't defend even if his own life was at risk (I'm excluding headbutting as a defensive skill).

Fun fact: did you know Zidane won zero titles in half his seasons at both Juve and Madrid (the famous "nadapletes")? That doesn't speak well about his ""versatility""

The so called "tiki-taka core" struggled to get past the group stage in 2010 and won the rest of the matches only 1-0. Such a dominance.

Messi has almost always been the best player in the NT. The reason why he couldn't win and i.e Maradona and Zidane could is because Higuain/Palacio choked their best shots whereas Valdano/Burruchaga and Trezeguet scored. About being "well coached" I agree to disagree.

P.S: the FIFA World Player was a different award than the Ballon D'Or (one was given by FIFA and the other one by France Football) and they were both fusioned under the "FIFA Ballon D'Or". Following your logic Messi would have 7 ballons.

[Canyonero]

I agree with Godnaldo being the best player of his generation. I'd take him over Zidane all day.

[dunkman]

The reason why Madrid buys any player that shines at the WC, at no matter what the price, is because the competition is at much higher level than any league.

Not trying to say any team wouldn't pay a lot to have Messi or Ronaldo, but that's difficult to succeed at WC, European or South American championships.

Zidane returned from international retirement to help France qualify and lead them all the way to the '06 WC finals.

He also made the first two goals in the '98 finals, in the 3:0 goleada vs Brazil.

Maradona also "lost the papers" at the '82 WC. If I recall right, Pelé had a similar breakdown too.

[Brazil]

What are Messi's specific skills? He's the all-time leader in goals and assists in La Liga, he has played as a winger, as a centreforward, as an attacking midfielder. You're tagging Zidane as "more versatile" when he couldn't defend even if his own life was at risk (I'm excluding headbutting as a defensive skill).

Fun fact: did you know Zidane won zero titles in half his seasons at both Juve and Madrid (the famous "nadapletes")? That doesn't speak well about his ""versatility""

The so called "tiki-taka core" struggled to get past the group stage in 2010 and won the rest of the matches only 1-0. Such a dominance.

Messi has almost always been the best player in the NT. The reason why he couldn't win and i.e Maradona and Zidane could is because Higuain/Palacio choked their best shots whereas Valdano/Burruchaga and Trezeguet scored. About being "well coached" I agree to disagree.

P.S: the FIFA World Player was a different award than the Ballon D'Or (one was given by FIFA and the other one by France Football) and they were both fusioned under the "FIFA Ballon D'Or". Following your logic Messi would have 7 ballons.

This post is full of shit

:lol so Messi did not win a WC because of Higuain and Palacio but then again you have no problem highlighting the fact Zidane won zero titles in half of seasons not mentionning anything abouth Zidane's team mates... ok

[Brazil]

I agree with Godnaldo being the best player of his generation. I'd take him over Zidane all day.

Both are quite close tbh... there is not such a shit about I'd take him over Zidane all day

[Canyonero]

This post is full of shit

:lol so Messi did not win a WC because of Higuain and Palacio but then again you have no problem highlighting the fact Zidane won zero titles in half of seasons not mentionning anything abouth Zidane's team mates... ok

Well yes, that's the point of my message. No player wins titles by their own (not even Maradona or Pele), you need 11 guys. Since Zidane is supposedly the more versatile top-3 all time player he should have won titles everything single season by himself right?.

And I appreciate your "this post is full of shit" statement. That's more convincing than any logical argument.

[Brazil]

Well yes, that's the point of my message. No player wins titles by their own (not even Maradona or Pele), you need 11 guys. Since Zidane is supposedly the more versatile top-3 all time player he should have won titles everything single season by himself right?.

And I appreciate your "this post is full of shit" statement. That's more convincing than any logical argument.

Bro you are finding excuses for Messi and contradicting yourself it's hilarious

Since by your own take Messi is more versatile than Zidane and top 3 all time he should have won every single WC by himself right ?

Enlighten me tho with your logical argument... what applies for Zidane don't apply for Messi ? :lol

On a side note I never said Zidane is top 3 but he is right there in any top 10 you can find (except in ElNono head tho)

Pele
Maradona
Eusebio
The Kaiser
Messi
Zidane
Di Stefano
Cruyf
Garrincha
Ronaldo (Brazilian)

no particular order

you have also in the discussion guys like CR7, Puskas, Platini, Maldini, Best... I must forget some.. like Zico (one of my favorite tbh), Muller...

[Canyonero]

Bro you are finding excuses for Messi and contradicting yourself it's hilarious

Since by your own take Messi is more versatile than Zidane and top 3 all time he should have won every single WC by himself right ?

Enlighten me tho with your logical argument... what applies for Zidane don't apply for Messi ? :lol

On a side note I never said Zidane is top 3 but he is right there in any top 10 you can find (except in ElNono head tho)

Pele
Maradona
Eusebio
The Kaiser
Messi
Zidane
Di Stefano
Cruyf
Garrincha
Ronaldo (Brazilian)

no particular order

you have also in the discussion guys like CR7, Puskas, Platini, Maldini, Best... I must forget some.. like Zico (one of my favorite tbh), Muller...

Where's the contradiction? When did I say Messi or Zidane or any other player regardless of their skills has won things by their own when you are clearly playing a team sport? My comment about "winning by himself" intended to be ironic, sorry if it wasn't made clear.

I believe you have misread the whole series of messages, I was answering the other guy's post saying Zidane is a top-3 all-time who has to be the more versatile player because he won trophies with most of his teams (a relation I disagreed with, hence my comment about nadapletes or the "winning by himself"). The only thing I didn't bother to reply was Messi being a system player because that's borderline retarded.

You are making it look as if I'm saying Zidane is crap which couldn't be far from true :lol:lol:lol For me he's one of the greats but not a top-3.

[Brazil]

Where's the contradiction? When did I say Messi or Zidane or any other player regardless of their skills has won things by their own when you are clearly playing a team sport? My comment about "winning by himself" intended to be ironic, sorry if it wasn't made clear.

I believe you have misread the whole series of messages, I was answering the other guy's post saying Zidane is a top-3 all-time who has to be the more versatile player because he won trophies with most of his teams (a relation I disagreed with, hence my comment about nadapletes or the "winning by himself"). The only thing I didn't bother to reply was Messi being a system player because that's borderline retarded.

You are making it look as if I'm saying Zidane is crap which couldn't be far from true :lol:lol:lol For me he's one of the greats but not a top-3.

Yes but you still rank messi top 3 with no wc saying Argentina lost because of higuain which I find odd knowing messi did not play at all in semi and final.

For the rest point taken, fair enough

Argentina has been carried by messi and defense in a lower extend till semi. Semi defense carried the load and also in finale cannot blame much defense for the goal tbh.. France 98 has been carried by defense and MF with an average zidane tbh until finale where Zizou scored twice and had a very solid game. 2006 is all about Zizou best player and coach of the team (domenech is a joke) then materazzi happened.

[Canyonero]

Yes but you still rank messi top 3 with no wc saying Argentina lost because of higuain which I find odd knowing messi did not play at all in semi and final.

For the rest point taken, fair enough

Argentina has been carried by messi and defense in a lower extend till semi. Semi defense carried the load and also in finale cannot blame much defense for the goal tbh.. France 98 has been carried by defense and MF with an average zidane tbh until finale where Zizou scored twice and had a very solid game. 2006 is all about Zizou best player and coach of the team (domenech is a joke) then materazzi happened.

Considering the overall impact he had/has in the sport (especially for being the best player in one of the GOAT teams), performances, skills and statistics his top-3 status is well deserved. Cruyff and Di Stefano are valid choices for the same and they haven't won a WC (Di Stefano didn't even play in one).

As I said before, in the end Maradona was "fortunate" Valdano/Burruchaga scored their plays. If West Germany had won that World Cup (and considering Maradona played poorly in that final except for assisting Burruchaga), who knows what his legacy would be.

[dunkman]

You seldom see someone dribbling Brazil's players like it's not a big deal (Zidane in 2006 WC Brazil - France), another player I saw do that is Maradona (1990 WC Brazil - Argentina). Brazil is always favourite, all NT players have top technique.

To be honest, I really wanted to see Messi show some magic in the 2014 WC like Maradona did in 1986, but basically Di Maria got injured and Argentina made no goals from there. I realized Messi is not quite as good as Maradona.

[ElNono]

Zidane played on stacked teams too, and IIRC, lost a number of CL Finals with them... His Juve and Real teams were fucking stacked and France was no slouch either.

Not saying Messi is not, but that's one major difference with Diego, who took a bunch of nobodys with Napoli to the scudetto and pretty much the same with that ARG teams in '86 and '90.

That's always been another argument of discussion between Diego and Pele, tbh, who had Garrincha with him, another legitimate top 10 player...

[hater]

Brazilian Ronaldo shits on Messi tbh

Ronaldinho and Ronaldo both shit on Misty in international play. When it matters

[Brazil]

Zidane played on stacked teams too, and IIRC, lost a number of CL Finals with them... His Juve and Real teams were fucking stacked and France was no slouch either.

Not saying Messi is not, but that's one major difference with Diego, who took a bunch of nobodys with Napoli to the scudetto and pretty much the same with that ARG teams in '86 and '90.

That's always been another argument of discussion between Diego and Pele, tbh, who had Garrincha with him, another legitimate top 10 player...

Nobody really compared Zidane to Maradona :lol ... your considerations regarding his Napoli years are legit, this is why I still don't see Messi in same breath tbh... For the rest I consider also that someone saying Maradona>Pele is not chocking


Zidane's teams (juve and real) were stacked but he still lead a quite not stacked Bordeaux to a final of UEFA with a great comeback against Milan and some of FNT teams were not top notch either tbh

[lefty]

Ruggeri won a WC tbh

[Canyonero]

Ok lefty

[DAF86]

Maradona having shitty teammates in '86 and Napoly is one of the biggest bullshit sports myths ever. Right up with Kobe's clutchness and Jordan's niceness. :lol

[ElNono]

:lol It's true though. That '86 team had like 2 guys playing overseas besides Diego. Valdano and I think Burruchaga was playing in Nantes at the time. That team almost doesn't even qualify to the world cup, I still remember det tight butt until el tigre Gareca scored that goal in El Monumental in the last minute. Half the team was River, the rest a bunch of names (Tapia), some over the hill (Bochini). Passarella didn't even make it.

And I dare you name 5 guys from Napoli. I only remember Alemao and Careca, both of which didn't get established until they were in Naples, and won nothing with Brazil, IIRC.

[DAF86]

:lol It's true though. That '86 team had like 2 guys playing overseas besides Diego. Valdano and I think Burruchaga was playing in Nantes at the time. That team almost doesn't even qualify to the world cup, I still remember det tight butt until el tigre Gareca scored that goal in El Monumental in the last minute. Half the team was River, the rest a bunch of names (Tapia), some over the hill (Bochini). Passarella didn't even make it.

And I dare you name 5 guys from Napoli. I only remember Alemao and Careca, both of which didn't get established until they were in Naples, and won nothing with Brazil, IIRC.

You have to remember the times. In those years it wasn't so common for players to travel overseas. Ruggeri might not have been in Europe at that time (i'm not sure though), but he is one of the best argie defenders of all-time. Way better than all the ones we have playing in Europe right now. And the same can be said with a lot of players, what right midfielder of the level of Enrique do we have now?

And it was't only the players, it was the coaching, the system. That '86 team was a great team.

Something similar happened with Napoly. At that time Italians teams didn't have the chance of getting an infinite amount of international players, they had a limited quota (of three I think). And Napoly went on to get the best Brazilian attacker of that time and the best player in tje World, added to a lot of Italian internationals. They were far from a sloucho

Besides, the whole "Diego did more with less" bullshit falls apart when he failed with stacked teams such as Boca, Barcelona and the greatest generation of Argie players of all-time (in '82).

Teams are constructed in different ways, and simply having popular names doesn't guarantee you constructing a great team.

[Canyonero]

I agree, Naples had many awesome players at that time besides Diegoat and Careca. Alemao, Ciro Ferrara, De Napoli.

[lefty]

@OptaJose: 7 - Luis Suárez is the first player to have a hand in 7 goals in a La Liga game on 21st Century (4 goals, 3 assists). Predatory.

TheGreatYacht Jodelo

[TheGreatYacht]

@OptaJose: 7 - Luis Suárez is the first player to have a hand in 7 goals in a La Liga game on 21st Century (4 goals, 3 assists). Predatory.

TheGreatYacht (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=43719) Jodelo (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=23669)
Currently the best South American player in the world, and it ain't close

[ElNono]

You have to remember the times. In those years it wasn't so common for players to travel overseas. Ruggeri might not have been in Europe at that time (i'm not sure though), but he is one of the best argie defenders of all-time. Way better than all the ones we have playing in Europe right now. And the same can be said with a lot of players, what right midfielder of the level of Enrique do we have now?

And it was't only the players, it was the coaching, the system. That '86 team was a great team.

Something similar happened with Napoly. At that time Italians teams didn't have the chance of getting an infinite amount of international players, they had a limited quota (of three I think). And Napoly went on to get the best Brazilian attacker of that time and the best player in tje World, added to a lot of Italian internationals. They were far from a sloucho

Besides, the whole "Diego did more with less" bullshit falls apart when he failed with stacked teams such as Boca, Barcelona and the greatest generation of Argie players of all-time (in '82).

Teams are constructed in different ways, and simply having popular names doesn't guarantee you constructing a great team.

But your latter point reflects exactly what happened with the '82 team and to a great extent the team that qualified for '86.

The '82 team had a bunch of guys that were "names". They thought they owned everything because they were champs in '78. Passarella, Gallego, etc. And it wasn't rare for players to play overseas back then.

Passarella, Ramon Diaz and Bertoni were playing in Italy, Kempes, Fillol and Trobbiani were playing in Spain a few years earlier, Tarantini in France, Ardiles in England... what happened was Bilardo just cleaned up. IIRC, Gallego played the qualifiers for '86 (along with Passarella).

And the fact that Italy had quotas for foreigners back then accentuates the fact that Diego had to work with limited talent, tbh... not to mention Napoli just never had the dough northern teams like Juve, Inter or Roma had to buy up the best Italian talent.

Now, I'm not saying Enrique was bad or anything like that. All I'm saying is they were unknown quantities at the time, not world class players. Ciro Ferrara for example, was not bought by Napoli, he was a rook that raised through the Napoli ranks.

[Canyonero]

82's squad has to be one of the most disappointing of all time along with 2002.

[lefty]

:lol saying Alemao was a star, anything to downplay Diego's achievements
:lol Messi's fanboys SMH

Yeah ok , Alemao and De Napoli = Xavi and Iniesta :lol

[DAF86]

:lol saying Alemao was a star, anything to downplay Diego's achievements
:lol Messi's fanboys SMH

Yeah ok , Alemao and De Napoli = Xavi and Iniesta :lol

Talking about Alemao when we were talking about Careca. Just shut up, seriously. :lol

[lefty]

Talking about Alemao when we were talking about Careca. Just shut up, seriously. :lol

:lol Messi wouldn't have won shit with that Napoli roster

[Canyonero]

lefty please, grown men talking. Shoo shoo.

[Brazil]

:lol oh now Napoli 86 was stacked...

[lefty]

:lol oh now Napoli 86 was stacked...

This guy gets it